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Speaker 2: Let's get to Israel. I know Ryan and I only

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Speaker 2: covered this, but we wanted to. I think it's worth

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Speaker 2: playing twice.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton at this event for Israel Hayom. It's Israel's

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Speaker 2: most red newspaper. Run them reading from prem talker here

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Speaker 2: run by Israeli American billionaire and Trump downer Miriam Maddison,

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Speaker 2: joined by John Fetterman, Eric Adams, Trump you went, Ambassador

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Speaker 2: Mike Woltz, Biden official, Amos Hawkstein, and various really official

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Speaker 2: So quite a lineup at this event, and she had

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Speaker 2: some very noteworthy things to say about what she thinks

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Speaker 2: is going on and why, you know, why people's views

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Speaker 2: on Israel have changed. Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 4: That our students, smart, well educated young people from our

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Speaker 4: own country, from around the world, where were they getting

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Speaker 4: their information. They were getting their information from social media,

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Speaker 4: particularly TikTok. That is where they were learning about what

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Speaker 4: happened in October seventh, what happened in the you know, days,

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Speaker 4: weeks and months to follow.

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Speaker 1: That's a serious problem.

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Speaker 4: It's a serious problem for democracy, whether it's Israel or

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Speaker 4: the United States, and it's a serious problem for our

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Speaker 4: young people. And it was frankly shocking to me how

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Speaker 4: little the students we were encountering, not only in this

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Speaker 4: relations about crisis decision making, but students more generally. And

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Speaker 4: that's why I mentioned the social media piece of it,

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Speaker 4: because when you would try to talk to them to

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Speaker 4: engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very

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Speaker 4: difficult because they did not know history, they had very

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Speaker 4: little context, and what they were being told on social

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Speaker 4: media was not just one sided, it was pure propaganda.

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Speaker 4: And so when you think about how to tell Israel's story,

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Speaker 4: and it's important. It's not just looking internally, it's looking externally,

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Speaker 4: and particularly looking at young people, because you know, it's

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Speaker 4: not just.

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Speaker 1: The usual suspects.

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Speaker 4: It is a lot of young Jewish Americans who don't

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Speaker 4: know the history and don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Eric.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to Condi Rice, and you know, she

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Speaker 4: said in an interview that I did after the twenty

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Speaker 4: and she said, you know, when people were chanting from

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Speaker 4: the river to the sea, would ask the students what river?

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Speaker 1: What see?

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Speaker 4: They didn't know. I had the same experience. A lot

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Speaker 4: social media, so just pause on that for a second.

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Speaker 4: They are seeing short form videos, some of them totally

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Speaker 2: In case you had any doubt about why they had

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Speaker 2: to take over TikTok and make it much more censorious,

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Speaker 2: this is why. But just imagine thinking that the problem

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Speaker 2: here for Israel isn't the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 2: attacking hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, everything you can think of. No,

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Speaker 2: that's not the problem. They just don't understand the history, Sager.

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Speaker 2: They just don't get it. And I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: it looks bad, but you you know, there's lots of conflict,

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Speaker 2: Do you understand the details of when Clinton was negotiating that?

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Speaker 2: You just don't understand enough. And this has been so

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Speaker 2: It did not take an understanding of history to know

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Speaker 2: the more they learn, the worst the Israeli side looks.

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Speaker 2: That's the bottom line. And it is so wild to

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Speaker 2: real problem here is a failure of Israeli propaganda and

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Speaker 2: the quote unquote propaganda that young people are getting on TikTok,

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Speaker 2: and not the reality of the genocide that Israel has

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Speaker 3: I just think it's pretty so. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: that argument worked because there was kind of something too it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of injustice and

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Speaker 3: all that, but like this mass slaughter live had not happened, correct,

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Speaker 3: And I would say they're most like barbaric actions fully

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Speaker 3: They would say it in Hebrew. It wasn't as publicized,

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Speaker 3: it also wasn't as powerful and didn't enact into actual

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Speaker 3: government policy. But when the gen Benevir's and the smoke

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Speaker 3: with Goza. People are like, yeah, I'm done learning about

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Speaker 3: Camp David or anything and thinking that there's some problem here, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we're funding this, we're

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Speaker 3: we're spending billions of billions of dollars and our own

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Speaker 3: domestic politics are revolving around this, and our government is

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Speaker 3: actively you know, deporting people who are against it.

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Speaker 1: We're like, whoa, whoa. Right, It's like, that's what takes

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Speaker 1: it to a whole other level.

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Speaker 3: And that's where look, I mean, I'll just say thank

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Speaker 3: god she lost, Okay, I mean, this woman from every

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Speaker 3: time that we put her back on the screen, it's

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Speaker 3: been almost ten years. She was horrible, like truly and

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Speaker 3: that mindset, by the way, it's still pretty prevalent in

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Speaker 3: permanent Washington today. Like in the elite Democratic Party circles,

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Speaker 3: you're not that far off.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the voters may be different.

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Speaker 3: But we also wanted to give voice to some of

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Speaker 3: the other people at this conference. By the way, why

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Speaker 3: is it even important to play this conference. It's like,

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Speaker 3: not only is it the large newspaper, but this is

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Speaker 3: Miriam Adelson, who is the one of the biggest donors

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Speaker 3: to Donald Trump and one of the most powerful mega

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Speaker 3: donors in the Republican Party. Who, by the way, according

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Speaker 3: to Donald Trump, at one point he asked whether she

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Speaker 3: loves Israel or America more end quote. She didn't answer,

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Speaker 3: and he suspected that it was Israel, according.

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Speaker 1: To him, not me.

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Speaker 3: So just to clear all that up, so let's take

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Speaker 3: a listen. Our producers have put together a mash up

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Speaker 3: from the conference.

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Speaker 5: It would be as clear as I can be. When

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Speaker 5: someone chance from the river to the sea, they are

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Speaker 5: calling for the elimination of the Jewish state. When people

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Speaker 5: have no right to safety, no right to sovereignty, no

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Speaker 5: way to exist. History tells us exactly what happens.

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Speaker 6: Just to pick up on that, well, I'll tell everybody

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Speaker 6: is skip Miami.

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Speaker 1: If you're leaving New York, just comes straight to Israel.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to make a stop in Florida before

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Speaker 1: you need to come.

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Speaker 3: And you can decide you can stay here in New

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Speaker 3: York in a declining Empire, or you can come to Israel,

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Speaker 3: which is part of the rising middle of the world,

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Speaker 3: which is moving south and east.

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Speaker 1: That's what I encourage you to do.

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Speaker 7: We are I did it due to our enemies here,

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Speaker 7: what Israel did to its enemies there, and on that

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Speaker 7: the Isic is focused. The challenge for us here is

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Speaker 7: to leverage Israel's successes into our successes. Israel's weakness is

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Speaker 7: ours and Israel's strength is ours. Our job in the

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Speaker 7: diaspora is to leverage those wins and win here.

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Speaker 8: Forty of New York Jews voted from Mamdani. Large parts

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Speaker 8: of our community have lost their I'll just say it,

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Speaker 8: tribal instinct, their Jewish solidary instinct in a way that

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, the Jews with.

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Speaker 6: Honor to have you hear on the stage on behalf

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Speaker 6: of myself, on the entire team of Israelaoh, it's great

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Speaker 6: honor again to have you here.

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Speaker 3: I think if I speak for many of us here,

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Speaker 3: if doctor Adelson reaches out, then we figure out a way.

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Speaker 1: To get here. Great she reaches out. Just got to

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Speaker 3: I mean, every one of those clips is like a

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theory come true for.

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Speaker 2: Real, though, I need them to keep having these conferences

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Speaker 2: and keep talking, just keep telling us exactly what you think.

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Speaker 2: The problem is. They've lost their tribal instinct. Is it

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Speaker 2: not a positive thing that they evaluate? Like, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: the various candidates on how it's going to affect my

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Speaker 2: this guy actually supports equal rights for everyone. That seems

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Speaker 2: like something I might be on board with, Like losing

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Speaker 2: the tribal instinct is a positive. And then the guy

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Speaker 2: here what we did to them in Gaza, Like you're

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Speaker 2: you're threatening us with genocide now, Like that's that's where

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Speaker 2: we're at, like openly on this conference to applause. It's

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Speaker 2: backed by one of Trump's largest donors.

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Speaker 1: That is wild.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's take the tribal thing right, Like, what's the

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Speaker 3: whole critique around this whole Somali fraud story in Minnesota

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Speaker 3: that Ryan and Emily covered yesterday. It's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: they're barbaric ethnic tribal and they defraud.

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Speaker 1: You're like, say that again. What So they're.

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Speaker 3: Acting tribally and leaving they refuse to leave behind the

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Speaker 3: values of the old world. And you're like, well, well,

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Speaker 3: the problem here in America is that people are acting

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Speaker 3: more like individuals.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that stuff really offends me.

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Speaker 3: Also, because I get this sometimes from the Indian diaspora,

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Speaker 3: particularly people in India. They're like, saker's some politician in

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Speaker 3: should I give a fuck. I'm not from India, Okay,

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Speaker 3: fuck off, that's your problem. It's one of those where

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Speaker 3: like they try to claim you right because your parents

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Speaker 3: happen to be from somewhere. I mean, look, if it's interesting,

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Speaker 3: you know from an American perspective, yeah, maybe I'll pay attention.

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Speaker 3: But they're like, oh, this is very Sometimes they even

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Speaker 3: try and drag me into like cast fights.

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Speaker 1: They're like, did you see what so and so.

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Speaker 3: Said about I go, yo, we live in America. We

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Speaker 3: So just so disgusting, And there's still no real media

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Speaker 3: Let's get to CNN, shall we? Turning now to CNN

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Speaker 1: Just to give you a taste of Calshi what is it?

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Speaker 3: Here is their co founder, Tarek muns Or talking about

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Speaker 2: Is what is it going to take to become a

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Speaker 6: are an antidote to that. They do very very good

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Speaker 3: To be on that if you miss that in the

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to this later.

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Speaker 3: In sixty minutes, you have amateur betters out there trading

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Speaker 3: not be betting on that period. Okay, that is the

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Speaker 3: total violation of the social contract.

435
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Speaker 2: We already know what this looks like because of sports. Yes,

436
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean we know what it looks like. It is

437
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: deeply compromised. The integrity of sports and not the sport.

438
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: Is everyone perfect, blah blah blah. But now it's like, okay,

439
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: who's on the take? Right? Which is it? The referees,

440
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: what players on the take? You know, these individual one

441
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: off thats they came out, they're going to you know,

442
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: they're going to make this many points or this many

443
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 2: free throws or this many rebounds or whatever like those

444
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: are so easy to rig, which is why players increasingly

445
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: are getting caught up in these scandals where lo and behold,

446
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: they are on the take and it is corrupt, and

447
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,239
Speaker 2: so your whole sense of what is going on in

448
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: the sport it's completely undermined. Where no longer do you

449
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, you know, there's some cheating around them

450
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 2: occasionally around the margin, but by and large it's a

451
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: contest of merit and what I'm seeing is real. No,

452
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: increasingly your senses, this is more like WWE. This is

453
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: more like fake and rigged, and everybody's in on it,

454
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: and if you're not in on it, you're a sucker

455
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: or you have a situation. You can see this with

456
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: news as well. How this you could see very easily

457
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 2: how this would happen. You know, you could bet on

458
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,239
Speaker 2: what colored dildo is going to get thrown at a

459
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: WNBA game. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure

460
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: out that. Someone could, you know, bet on it being

461
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: a purple dildo and then throw it well in the

462
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 2: l show of the game with the purple dildo, and

463
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: throw the freaking dildo. I mean, it's just so disgusting.

464
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: And then broadening out here even further, I thought Arnault,

465
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: who's very thoughtful and insightful on these things, had a

466
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: great post thinking about the bigger meta implications here. He says,

467
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Speaker 2: I cannot think of a single way in which this

468
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: makes society better. You're now going to have people financial

469
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: on top of emotionally invested in their opinions, which can

470
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: only create further polarization. Societies need consensus. Hard to see

471
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: how you help achieve this when compromises become financial losses.

472
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: So if I'm betting on my opinion, now not only

473
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Speaker 2: am I like emotionally like I want to be right,

474
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: but now I also have money writing on whether or

475
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: not this is correct or not. You can see how

476
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: this would spin out of control. He goes on to say, Also,

477
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: it literally disincentivizes truth seeking. Markets work based on anticipating

478
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: what others will believe, not on discovering what is actually true.

479
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: It's the memes stock phenomenon. Those stocks don't rise because

480
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: the company is valuable, They rise because enough people believe

481
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: others will keep buying. You'll have the same thing with opinions.

482
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Speaker 2: People are rewarded not for being correct, but for anticipating

483
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: what others will believe, and incentivized literally financially incentivized to

484
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: manipulate narratives so that their bets pay off. Truth becomes

485
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: not only irrelevant, but in many cases will be act

486
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Speaker 2: sively fought against because it becomes a direct financial threat.

487
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: Like if this is not the end en and and

488
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: end stage of capitalism. I don't know what is. It

489
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: is so incredibly dystopian. We have got to revolt against

490
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: this complete financialization and the absolute takeover of every aspect

491
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Speaker 2: of our lives by these bottom feeding financial these you know, gambling.

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Speaker 1: These guys are billionaires.

493
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Speaker 2: It's just saying billion And not only do you have

494
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: the first level of like okay, people placing bets, you

495
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: also have an increasing ecosystem being funded of startups around

496
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: this that will then take those bets and bundle them

497
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Speaker 2: and package them as securities and you can borrow against them.

498
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Speaker 2: And the whole disgusting ecosystem of our like casino capitalism

499
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: that we have is also built being built up to

500
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Speaker 2: create these bets into separate markets that can be traded.

501
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Secondarily as well, just you know, putting this whole thing

502
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: like absolute predation on the people who are at the bottom,

503
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Speaker 2: and putting this throughout our entire economy at every level.

504
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put C two or sorry F two up

505
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: on the screen. This is about CNN and their data partnership. Basically,

506
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: what they're saying is they'll only use Calshi data and

507
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: they'll be the exclusive prediction data. And I have been

508
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: thinking about this in the context that we're on coverage

509
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: because it's tough, right, it is newsworthy to cover the

510
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: polymarket odds on a race. We've had a decent track

511
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Speaker 3: record in twenty twenty four. But to me, there is

512
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Speaker 3: just something fundamentally different about either money exchanging hands, like

513
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Speaker 3: in the way of a sponsorship, like with ESPN right

514
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: when they had ESPN Bet, they actively were making money

515
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: from sports betting and then covering sports. There has to

516
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: be a literal firewall or here in this case they

517
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: say that there's no.

518
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Speaker 1: Money exchanging hands.

519
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

520
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Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe.

521
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Speaker 3: But more importantly, it's like an actual endorsement, so you

522
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 3: and I talking. It's just different to me and maybe semantics,

523
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: but it is fundamentally different saying look, we don't take

524
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: money from these people.

525
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: We don't want any money from these people.

526
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: I think these are degenerate, They're bad, and I would

527
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 3: ban them if they could while they exist.

528
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: I will talk about it.

529
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: But that's not the same as a flat out endorsement

530
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: and saying that this is an official thing that will

531
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: be incorporated. And again the ability for manipulation and for

532
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: insider trading and just like for the show people, what

533
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: how easily this can all happen? Can we put to

534
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: F six on the screen? I checked, this is a

535
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: real market, by the way, that happened yesterday.

536
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: F six.

537
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: What will Anderson Cooper say during his show? Anderson Cooper

538
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: is a CNN host, so you have people who are

539
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: live betting what the individual words that he might say,

540
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: this was an eighty thousand dollars market with huge odds

541
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: one percent, right, I mean the payout on that is massive. Well,

542
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: if you're a producer at CNN, a low level producer,

543
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: there's probably I don't know how many, say fifty people

544
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: work on the Anderson Cooper show sounds roughly right. And

545
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 3: you're a guy pulling in thirty three thousand. He might

546
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: be the sound guy. You might literally just be a contractor.

547
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: But you're happen to be in the editorial meeting. Just

548
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: power it up, hit something like this because you know

549
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: it's coming. Get a nice sixty six to one payout.

550
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Is that technically fraud? I don't know. I mean, is

551
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: there any governing authority over that?

552
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: If you can do this all the Trump administration certainly

553
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: doesn't give a shit.

554
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: But not even that Crystal.

555
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: If this is all in crypto, then you don't even know, right.

556
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: If this is not even in the US dollar market,

557
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: then nobody knows anything.

558
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: And look, does that really matter? Not really.

559
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: But let's make that bigger pardon power. Let's say you're

560
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: a lawyer and you happen to bet on a pardon market.

561
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it, Taylor Swift. People are gambling

562
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: on whether she's gonna get pregnant. Honestly, if I were her,

563
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: if you're what's the trying to conceive, I would bet

564
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: it and then I'd go, do it, just go. I mean, look,

565
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: that's sick, it's crazy. And this is I've been trying

566
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: to warn about this with sports. Everybody say, used to

567
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: approved sposh spitting been around forever, Sager. No, prop bets

568
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: like this have never been around, and actually, especially at

569
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: a widespread market. Why do you know how many of

570
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: my friends know the over under on fucking aj Brown's

571
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: number of yards in the next game. This is not

572
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: a thing, all right, This never existed. And this is

573
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: that that's like one minor one or oh the defense

574
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 3: to score a touchdown. Now, imagine that every asset facett

575
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: of our lives. What you and I are going to

576
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: do our next monologue on or the topic. And that's

577
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: just you were me CNN Trump the words out of

578
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: his mouth. The Federal Reserve, they're doing already, derivative contracts

579
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: in futures, contracts in cryptocurrencies, in various different ones. Who

580
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: the next Pope is going to be? Who the next

581
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: James Bond is going to be? I mean, same thing

582
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: on the James Bond question. If you are a executive

583
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: at I forget the estate of who owns the James Bond?

584
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: The Fleming right. If you're a Fleming person and you

585
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 3: have influence over there, what you know you could easily

586
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: be doing that is this technically corruption again, I mean

587
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: to what extent. But the point is not even about regulation.

588
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: The point is this is this financialization betting. We had

589
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: long standing taboos on this for a reason. We understood

590
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: that betting and gambling is the most literally one of

591
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: the most degenerate and horrible activities that you can be into.

592
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: It has one of the highest suicide rates of any addiction.

593
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: And when it consumes people, people think I'm approved.

594
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: It's because I see the results.

595
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: I mean seriously, and this is why I'm not even

596
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: saying it should be totally illegal, regulated to the casino.

597
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: I really believe people should be required to go to

598
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: a casino. When you see somebody with fucking emphysema, smoking cigarettes,

599
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: sitting there blowing their life savings away on a slot machine,

600
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: you're gonna go, Yo, this shit is evil and you

601
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: need to see that stuff, like for your own eyes

602
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: behind a screen and all that you don't it doesn't

603
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: seep into you like you need to see the type

604
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: of people who you were around. And I've seen people

605
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: break down and cry at casinos, like cry tears, slam.

606
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: You know how many people commit suicides in Las Vegas.

607
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: They literally cover them up. It's the reason why you

608
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: should see that is because you need to understand the

609
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: socialization of what it means for this shit to be legal.

610
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: But whenever it's all behind the screen, you can be

611
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: sitting there and just gamble your life savings away. And

612
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: I've covered those stories. You remember for my monologue about

613
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: that guy he literally never placed a bet in twenty

614
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: twenty one, gambled away millions of dollars gamba his children's

615
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: christening funds like it's sick.

616
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: And and of course.

617
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: DraftKings allegedly violated their own internal policy.

618
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: According to their lawsuit, they deny all wrongdoing.

619
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: But this could happen at the highest level across all society.

620
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: And that's why the CNN for me, I mean, according

621
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: to them, the most trusted name in news. No, ridiculous,

622
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: But the point is is like this is a major

623
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: fucking brand and also turning the news I've watched this

624
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: happen with sports is so many people only pay for

625
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: sports media now for gambling stuff. They the reason that

626
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: the Adam Schefters and all these other people have so

627
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: many followers, they make so much money, especially now these days,

628
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: is because they're the first to report injuries or insight.

629
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think is going to affect the

630
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Vegas odds? Right? If so and so is injured, that

631
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: means the line can move.

632
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: And that's why these people all pay attention, even NFL

633
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: Sunday ticket like the ability to watch all the games.

634
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: The only reason that people are paying so much, like

635
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: their subscriptions of massive gone, you know why, because people

636
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: are gambling on more games. Don't give a shit about

637
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Rams or the Titans. If they live

638
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, They're betting like that's what it's all about.

639
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: So that's what the news would turn into. I mean,

640
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: I guess maybe it'd be good for us, right, but

641
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: I'm speaking purely of societal interests. Is that I don't

642
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: want people to want to be more informed because they're

643
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: gambling on everything.

644
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: If anything, it'll distort all of the outcomes.

645
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: So look, long winded rant, but I mean I've been

646
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: trying to warn about this and I can see. I

647
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: can see it coming from a mile away. It's getting

648
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: so much worse. F five please, Just so we all know,

649
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: is that the prediction markets Fanatics if you know what

650
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Speaker 3: that is.

651
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Speaker 1: Fanatics is the fan company.

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Speaker 3: I think Tom Brady and all those people are involved

653
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Speaker 3: with it, and Polymarket are set to go live early

654
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Speaker 3: this week this F five please are set to go

655
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Speaker 3: live as early as this week, with FanDuel later in

656
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Speaker 3: the month and DraftKings by January. Fanatics, FanDuel and Draftings

657
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Speaker 3: are launching in states where they don't even offer mobile

658
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Speaker 3: sports books. So this is also, by the way, a

659
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Speaker 3: de facto way to legalize sports betting in the entire nation.

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Speaker 1: That's what this whole thing is about. Soon.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's all fifty just so everybody understands, like when

662
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Speaker 3: I'm rant and rave this sports betting companies are now

663
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Speaker 3: bigger than Hollywood. They make more money than the box

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Speaker 3: office of the entire United States, like theater industry. That

665
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Speaker 3: is how big an overnight thing happened. Nobody consented to it.

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Speaker 3: The Ohio Governor Mike DeWine very recently said that he

667
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Speaker 3: could go back because he signed the bill legalizing sports betting.

668
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Speaker 3: He said, if I could go back, I would never

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Speaker 3: do it. He's like, it was one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: mistakes that I ever made. And look, I mean, we

671
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Speaker 3: have the power if we want to, but you know

672
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Speaker 3: how many people are we going to watch people's lives

673
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Speaker 3: get destroyed in the interim. We're gonna have millions of

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Speaker 3: gambling addicts in the next five years, millions and millions

675
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Speaker 3: of people. You make this successful to everybody, people are

676
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: going to blow tons of money, and yeah, these people

677
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: are all just gonna get filthy rich. But the two

678
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: people on that stage, they're already billionaires. They're already touting

679
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: the woman. They're like, she's the youngest self made woman

680
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Speaker 3: billionaire ever more than Oh great, what a fucking accomplishment,

681
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Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, thank you for showing that women can

682
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: also be you know, fine, it can also become very

683
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Speaker 3: rich by exploiting degenerate impulses.

684
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, it's it's overall. It's degrading to society. It's

685
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: just it's wrong. I mean, there's no other way to

686
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: put it. It's just wrong. It degrades society. It creates

687
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: a level of artifice around absolutely everything, it creates increased polarization.

688
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: It's disgusting, and the vast majority of people are going

689
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: to lose, Like when you bet, you are much more

690
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: likely to lose your money and end up much more

691
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Speaker 2: in the whole. And guess what, that's more and more

692
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: rich is flowing to the top, flowing to those people

693
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: that were there on that stage saying they want to

694
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Speaker 2: financialize absolutely everything. Very disturbing and I think it's disgusting

695
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Speaker 2: Sanna is doing this. I think people should revolt against it.

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Speaker 2: Don't watch CNN. Let them know what you think.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's yeah, there's the answer. I don't watch

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Speaker 2: any product that's brought to you by these people, or

700
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Speaker 2: that you know endorses any of these products.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be tough.

702
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Speaker 2: I right, it's incredibly degrading, we.

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Speaker 1: Use his clips.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we just discovered Jeremy Diamond's report and the you know,

705
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Speaker 2: the bulldozing of the corpse, right yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't take it out on these guys personally,

707
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Speaker 3: Like I understand the utility of the data while it

708
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: is legal, but like that's kind of more of a

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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: meta point is when the executives themselves are like, hey,

710
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Speaker 3: let's and then again, look.

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Speaker 1: At the sports. Sports is bigger than NFL.

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Speaker 3: Fifty seven million people watched the Chiefs Cowboys game on Thanksgiving.

713
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Speaker 3: It is the most watched regular season NFL game in history.

714
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Speaker 3: I am absolutely convinced it's because of gambling. That's telling you,

715
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Like if you go on TikTok and all these other places,

716
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: all of the memes are about like trying to hold

717
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: it together with my family while my Thanksgiving parlay falls apart,

718
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Speaker 3: Like it's it's like part of the culture. At this point,

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Speaker 3: this is all gonna happen now with the news. I

720
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: guarantee you next election, the number of people who are

721
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Speaker 3: going to be betting on the next election, it's going

722
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Speaker 3: to be crazy, and Robinhood and all these other people,

723
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be fully normalized and I mean just think

724
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Speaker 3: there's going to be how many if you thought voter fraud,

725
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Speaker 3: if you're one of those election for usters from twenty twenty,

726
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: how many people are going to be trying to influence

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Speaker 3: the events of the votes, especially when it comes down

728
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Speaker 3: to the states like in Pennsylvania. Right, I mean, can

729
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Speaker 3: you what would you do? For millions of dollars? People

730
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Speaker 3: will do a lot of shit. Look at the federal

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Speaker 3: prison system. So think about it. If you're going to

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Speaker 3: place a bet, I'm going to bet that jd Vance

733
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Speaker 3: is going to lose Arizona. It's like, well, what do

734
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Speaker 3: you think people in Arizona?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're willing to do to make that out

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Speaker 2: of it, what are you.

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Speaker 3: Willing to do if you're a low le Let's say

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Speaker 3: you are a low level county secretary of state pulling

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Speaker 3: twenty five g's a year in Yuma, Arizona or someplace

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to fudge things a little bit? You

742
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Speaker 1: know who wouldn't?

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Speaker 3: So you could you could see exactly how this could

744
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: there's so much potential for fraud and whatever. I mean,

745
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Speaker 3: I already know it's good. We're we are going to

746
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Speaker 3: find out the hardest way possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very Unfortunately, it's so many It's like so

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Speaker 2: many things in our like you know, it's one thing

749
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Speaker 2: when you have to go to the casino and there's

750
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: like a physical action. Okay, we yes, this is this

751
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: is the thing we do. It's not exactly like it's

752
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: sort of frowned upon as a side. It's there, you know,

753
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: and you can have access to and you're an adult

754
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: and okay, you got to go there and do the thing.

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Speaker 2: And still it was bad for some number of people.

756
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Speaker 2: But yes, there was some it was sort of walled

757
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: off and now it's just shot throughout our entire lives.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that with the technology too, of course,

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00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: Like it was one thing when you had the flip

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Speaker 2: phone and you know, you could text on it and

761
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: you could you know, you could have it with you

762
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: and coordinating. That was great, right, And then it was

763
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: kind of cool when you got your first smartphone. And

764
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Speaker 2: now it's just like, you know, it's just take They've

765
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Speaker 2: colonized our entire lives. They've colonized our entire brains. You know,

766
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Speaker 2: what was good in a small dose is now incredibly

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Speaker 2: damaging and deleterious. So Anyway, that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to give some updates here, uh and probably

770
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Speaker 2: we'll cover this more on the Friday Show. But there

771
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Speaker 2: are some developments with regard to these boat strikes and

772
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Speaker 2: the illegality of them, and some breaking news the Wall

773
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: Street Journal with this scoop confirming what we already, of

774
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Speaker 2: course very strongly suspected. You remember that top admiral who

775
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: resigned around the time that the boat strikes were starting. Well,

776
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: it turns out that this was pretty directly related to

777
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Speaker 2: him questioning the legality of the boat strikes overall. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about the second the double tap,

779
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the overall programs. So this says he says,

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Speaker 2: as top admiral to resign after months of discord, I

781
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: think that's sort of soft flood pedaling. Actually, the claims

782
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Speaker 2: in the article which seemed to indicate it was directly

783
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Speaker 2: as a result of his questioning of the legality. Here

784
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Speaker 2: it says heg sss move, which has been previously reported,

785
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Speaker 2: shed's new light on a brewined controversy over the legality

786
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Speaker 2: of the military's campaign. Hegseth has dismissed a number of

787
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Speaker 2: high ranking military leaders since taking over the Pentagon. Having

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Speaker 2: Halsey leave at this particular moment, at the height of

789
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Speaker 2: the pennant what the Pentagon considers to be the central

790
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Speaker 2: action hemispheres just shocking, says Todd Robinson, who served as

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Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs until January.

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Speaker 2: They say, according to two Pentagon officials, heg seth asked

793
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Speaker 2: Admin Admiral Alvin Halsey to step down de facto ouster.

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Speaker 2: That was the culmination of months of discord began days

795
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Speaker 2: after Trump's inauguration, intensified months later when Halsey had initial

796
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug

797
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Speaker 2: boats in the Caribbean. According to form officials, so already

798
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Speaker 2: not on heag sets good side, and then he questions

799
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Speaker 2: the legality, and that's when he is asked to leave.

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Speaker 2: So again confirmation of what we all very much strongly

801
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: suspected and consistent with other concerns from whistleblowers about the Yeah,

802
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just like claiming that we're at

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Speaker 2: war with these drug boats and then that we can,

804
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Speaker 2: you know, randomly kill them and there's no authory war

805
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Speaker 2: authorisation from Congress. All of this is, you know, it's

806
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: it's brazenly illegal, and clearly there were concerns internally, and

807
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Speaker 2: if you had those concerns, you were pushed down. Let

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Speaker 2: me go ahead and put this next piece up on

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Speaker 2: the screen, which is just a good article from the

810
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Speaker 2: Washington Post about the way that they have changed their

811
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Speaker 2: responses on all of this from the beginning, and they

812
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Speaker 2: just go sort of blow by blow here of what

813
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Speaker 2: this administration has said and when so. First, Trump says

814
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Speaker 2: military literally shot out a boat from Venezuela. That was

815
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Speaker 2: the initial reaction. Then Hegseth says that he watched it live,

816
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Speaker 2: which would come to be very significant, you know, about

817
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: what he ordered and what he knew about it. A

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Speaker 2: Pentagon spokesman after the initial reporting from the Washington Post

819
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Speaker 2: came out saying that there was a double tap strike

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Speaker 2: and that Hegseth had given the kill order. Pentagon spokesman

821
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Speaker 2: said that quote this entire narrative is completely false, so

822
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Speaker 2: seeming to indicate that even the details of it being

823
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Speaker 2: a double tap strike was incorrect. Then Trump says Hegseth

824
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Speaker 2: told him he did not give a spoken order. Then

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00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: Hegseeth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes, according

826
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Speaker 2: to White House Press secretary. So they're saying, first Trump

827
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Speaker 2: is like, well, I don't think he gave the spoken order.

828
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Speaker 2: Then they're saying, okay, well he did, but he authorized

829
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Speaker 2: Admiral Bradley then to conduct these lethal kinetic strikes. Then

830
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Speaker 2: Hegseth says, I watched that first strike live, but he

831
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Speaker 2: didn't stick around for the second strike. So clarification, I

832
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: guess on the original claim that he had watched the

833
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: whole thing live. And then Trump says, I support the

834
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Speaker 2: decision to knock out whoever is piloting those boats, which

835
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: is different from his original reaction, which is that he

836
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Speaker 2: did not like the idea that there was a second strike.

837
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Speaker 2: So they've been kind of all over the place, and

838
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: the overall thrust at this point is to claim, well,

839
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Speaker 2: this was totally legal, and here's why. And their claim

840
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: now is that, well, the two people who had survived,

841
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Speaker 2: one of them was trying to call for help. We

842
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: took that as them still being combatants, and that's why

843
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: it was legal to do the second strike. But also,

844
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Speaker 2: by the way, Hexeth had nothing to do with it

845
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Speaker 2: and it was all Admiral Bradley here. Let me put

846
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: the next one up on the screen. This is some

847
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: new details from the New York Times. This is effectively

848
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Speaker 2: what I was just saying, Like their US military's boat

849
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: strikes planning takes on new significance. They talk here about

850
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Speaker 2: how in advance they had planned contingencies for if there

851
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: were survivors, So trying to make this seem like there

852
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: was more sort of official decision making as well, and then

853
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 2: put G four up on the screen. We've got more

854
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: Republicans who are concerned and voicing dissent over what was

855
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: done here and starting to assert some power and Sagar.

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00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: This reminds me. The sort of political reaction here reminds

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00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: me of what we were talking about earlier with a

858
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: last deaphonic and how she's now decided to go aggressively

859
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: after Mike Johnson. She's not going to go after Trump,

860
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: but she wants to separate herself from the Republican Party overall,

861
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: and so she's chosen as your target. Mike Johnson seems

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00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: to me like Pete Hegseth is filling that role for

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00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: a number of Republicans as well. There Admiral Bradley is

864
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: here on the Hill today taking questions from Congress. They've

865
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: launched investigations by partisan investigations in both the House and

866
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: the Senate. You've had a number of members. Rand Paul

867
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: has been very aggressive talking about how basically they've been lying,

868
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: and you know, he's been concerned from the beginning about

869
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: the illegality here, and so his rhetoric has been pretty forceful.

870
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: But others as well, not just Rand Paul, who is

871
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, more principled on these things in general. So,

872
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: you know, I think I think heg Seth is genuinely

873
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: in a bit of a Emily thinks that they've they

874
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: feel like they've sort of nailed it and they're good

875
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: and they're in the clear. I don't know that I'm

876
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: convinced about that, because he is such an incompetent like

877
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: person to begin with and not really loved and has

878
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: made all sorts of enemies, and the time period that

879
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: he's been there, it seems to me like he could

880
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: be a convenience scape goat for these people.

881
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: Oh heg Seth, Yeah, I mean I could see that.

882
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: But the thing is is that I was talking to

883
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: you about this before the show. This whole thing drives

884
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 3: me nuts. Well, you know, trying to litigate the specifics

885
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: of naval law about a second strike. Is the whole

886
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: point is that this is fucking stupid, striking drug boats

887
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: while pardoning the Honduran president who was an narco trafficker. Also,

888
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: you remember Joan Grillo who we've had on the show.

889
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: I mean, he made this great point, if you are

890
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 3: a Chappito the Sun, you just got a sweetheart deal

891
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: because you kidnapped El Mayo and brought a to America.

892
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal just did this long story about

893
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: all of these narco traffickers who were cutting deals with

894
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: I'm talking about real narco trafficks, guys on some fucking boats,

895
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: guys who.

896
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: Are poor fisherman who's also, Yeah.

897
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: This is another thing driving you crazy.

898
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: Not just a cocaine fentanyl like the Mexican drug cartels

899
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: who are ninety percent of the fentanyl to enter the

900
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: United States. Are the people who put it in the

901
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 3: cocaine and then bringing here to stretch their own profits.

902
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: We're cutting deals with those guys, like very good deals.

903
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: So what's what's the those deals we did, right, but Kelly,

904
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: so that we could you know, put random innocent Venezuelans

905
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: and Seacott. We give Gate handed over some drug traffickers,

906
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: gang leaders to him because he didn't want them testifying

907
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: about whatever his deals.

908
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: I'm not even against I'm not even against doing deals

909
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: with you know whatever in order to you know, lock

910
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: up more narco traffickers.

911
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that.

912
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 3: But I'm saying if you do that at the same

913
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: time that you're saying that we need to kill these

914
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: guys on boats who again allegedly have cocaine, not even fentanyl,

915
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: almost certainly not fentanyl, because especially the ones in the Caribbean,

916
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: not fentanol.

917
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Sorry, I can say that, and.

918
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: If you, if you believe that, released the evidence or

919
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: prosecute them, I'd be happy to say I'm wrong. I'm

920
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: talking about purely your own DEA report which says no fentanyl.

921
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: You guys said that, not me.

922
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: Trump's Stone DA April twenty twenty five, I tweeted out

923
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: the report.

924
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: You can go read it. It's public if you want to.

925
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: The point that remains around this whole thing is that

926
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: Washington seems to be consumed with this whole second strike

927
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: on the boat, and it's like, no the strikes are dumb. Now,

928
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: in a liberal internationalist framework, you can talk about international

929
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 3: law and all that, if you guys know, not my thing.

930
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: I'm just like, why are we mean entertaining this? Like

931
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: this is this is a bad idea. Yeah, they just can't.

932
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: And by the way, America agrees with me. There was

933
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: this theory that these would be massively popular.

934
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: They're not. Trump is very underwater on the strikes. They're

935
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: not buying this bullshit.

936
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: Now they're not, and they shouldn't because in your in

937
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: your lifetime, have you ever heard about venezuela and fencanyl

938
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 3: before this? Nope, everybody knows where the fentanyl comes from.

939
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: Everyone.

940
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: If you're striking Mexico, it actually could be a different story.

941
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: But again, the geopolitical implications of that would be so

942
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 3: insane considering our trading relationship. This is an ideological war.

943
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: Their pretext is just like WMD. It was never about

944
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: WMD at the time, it was about regime change. This time,

945
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: fentanyl is irrelevant. It might if it wasn't fencanal, they

946
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: would make up some other shit. And it's even oh

947
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: my god, even with cocaine. It's like we're talking about

948
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: ten percent of the cocaine, So that's instead of ninety percent.

949
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: That's not the place that you would go if you

950
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: really were concerned about doing something. So my only saving

951
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: grace Most Americans think this is total bullshit, but then

952
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: in the conduct of the Pentagon, it is so disgraceful

953
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: the way that peg Seth has he threw this guy

954
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: under the bus.

955
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I.

956
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: Feel for the admiral, like it's like, you know, Meg

957
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: Seth gives him this order, the southcom commander goes, he's

958
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: a sealed team guy, long history of these counter terror missions.

959
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: I don't know how closely he looked at the legality

960
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: in the mid and now all these guys, I mean,

961
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 3: look for this admiral, like you need to lawyer up.

962
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: You're already before Congress, dude, I mean, when the Democrats win,

963
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: you're going to be testifying at the very least in private,

964
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: in a classified setting, you could be testified publicly.

965
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't even they're going to ride have to be

966
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 2: till the demmo because there's already a bipartison investigation both

967
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: the House and the Senate. So I think it's coming

968
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: before even Democrats take control of anything.

969
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: And then the drone operator, right, I mean, that guy's

970
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: gonna have to get a lawyer. Like you know, you're

971
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: talking about the individual soldier service members I think, yeah, sorry, Navy,

972
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: so individual sailors who are all involved in this. It's like, what,

973
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: like what they're put in an impossible position because heg

974
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: set is telling them you're gone if you're you know,

975
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: you're gone if you disobey orders, literally fired the outcome commander.

976
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean, think of what this does within the military,

977
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: where I think previously there had just been sort of

978
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: an assumption like, oh, if I'm being asked to do

979
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: something right exactly, the proper channels whatever, And now not

980
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: only are like no, it's not number one, they're inventing

981
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: fake secret memo. They're firing or pushing out anybody who disagrees.

982
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, if there are questions about this

983
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: and it becomes hot, they will happily throw your ass

984
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: under the bus. So you need to be thinking about

985
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: anytime you get an order now you better be consulting

986
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: a lawyer, talking to one of these outside organizations and

987
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: thinking hard about what is this going to mean for me?

988
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: And kind of jeopardy. This puts me in for the future.

989
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: That is a very different mentality, you know, than than

990
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: is typical in these situations. And to your point about

991
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: how just preposterously insultingly stupid all of this is. Take

992
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: a listen to Christinoum talking about how Trump is saving

993
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: millions of lives with these boat strikes. This is g five.

994
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: You've saved hundreds of millions of lives with a cocaine

995
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 4: you've blown up in the Caribbean.

996
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, hundreds of millions of lives. Can you tell

997
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: me again what the population of America is. She's saved,

998
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 2: He's saved all, literally all, we would all be dead

999
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 2: of mental life overdose if it wasn't for these boats.

1000
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so stupid, it's so embarrassing. Pam Bondi

1001
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: has said similar things previously. Trump says similar things all

1002
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: the time. Do you know what the impact on drug

1003
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: trafficking will be of these boat strikes?

1004
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Zero?

1005
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: It will be literally zero. Everyone knows this. Some of

1006
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: these people, one of the people they murder by the

1007
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: way their family is like, he was literally just an

1008
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: innocent finisherman is now like going to court over this.

1009
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: So yes, on every level, it's disgusting. It's immoral, it's murder,

1010
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: it's wrong, it's outrageous, and it does literally accomplishes literally

1011
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: nothing other than helping Marco Rubio in his like undying

1012
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: quest to you know, to overturn fulfill his father's dream,

1013
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: to fill his dreams.

1014
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1015
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 3: No, his father's dream was to free Cuba. They think

1016
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: it's like Domino theory. These people are fucking crazy. Like

1017
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: I he writes about it in his own book. I'm

1018
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: not making this up. He literally wrote it in his

1019
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: book that that was one of his father's wishes. Okay,

1020
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: you can go read it for yourself if you want to.

1021
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: Uh I yeah, I mean, look, I'll tell you.

1022
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: I said this on Twitter.

1023
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: I was like, look, I can forgive people who fell

1024
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: for WM, not forgive. I can understand people who fell

1025
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 3: for WMD in the wake of nine to eleven. It

1026
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: was scary mainstream media, but man, like literally we had

1027
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: we've just been attacked.

1028
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: You know. I mean it was more I didn't fall for.

1029
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, more understand. I can understand, not forgive. I

1030
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: can understand how a lot of people fell for that.

1031
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: But Venezuela in fentanol.

1032
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: You're you're an idiot, You're an imbecile and uh yeah,

1033
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: that's it makes me question like faith in democracy at all.

1034
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: That's going to be a real thing. So we'll see.

1035
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: I hope that people are at least paying attention and

1036
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: are listening. And actually, my greatest hope would be an

1037
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: ignition of a real anti war movement that used to

1038
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: exist in the Iraq days, because what the Blob has

1039
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: long found out is that as long as not that

1040
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: many Americans die, most people will just tolerate stuff. But

1041
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: I do think Israel actually ignited a big anti war

1042
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: sentiment in a lot of people, even though we weren't

1043
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: the ones directly involved.

1044
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: We were funding it.

1045
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 3: But if we start to, you know, some sort of

1046
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: Libya type campaign again, yes, even if hundreds of Americans

1047
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: don't die, and it's only special operators and only special

1048
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: operators in CIA, and only air Force drones and all that,

1049
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: it's like the point should be, we should not be

1050
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: involved on this under false pretenses. It's ridiculous, it's counter

1051
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: to our own interests. So I do hope that it

1052
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: becomes I don't know, I hope it ignites some sort

1053
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 3: of public consciousness, because that's something that we really lost

1054
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: from the two thousands.

1055
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: You know, the anti war right was.

1056
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: Real thing, the American Conservative, the Pat Buchanan, you know,

1057
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: riding and railing against the Iraq War.

1058
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: The anti war left was huge.

1059
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a potent force, and it really

1060
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: died sometime around twenty sixteen, which is really I mean,

1061
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: it's tragic. And Trump obviously hijacked it for his own

1062
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: purposes and betrayed it simultaneously. So I do want it

1063
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: to come back.

1064
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: I really you last thing I want to give. Glenn

1065
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: Greenwald made a point here that I think is worth

1066
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: reading out as our last item. Here, he says there's

1067
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: been valid attention paid to how many Americans, indoctrinated from

1068
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: birth to love Israel, want the US to serve Israel.

1069
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 2: There are also people from Latin America or it's immigrant

1070
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: communities who want the US military used to change that

1071
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: region's governments that they dislike. I grew up in South Florida.

1072
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: Many Cubans did not learn English despite being given US citizenship,

1073
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: because they believed it was the US government's duty to

1074
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: remove Castro then Javas so they could go back. Both

1075
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: Rubio and Congresswoman Salazar, whose comments we've played here before,

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Speaker 2: come from that, Milia, and I think that is an

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Speaker 2: important thing to keep in mind is that these people

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Speaker 2: who have very powerful government positions. Marko Rubio is one

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Speaker 2: of the most powerful actors in our government right now,

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Speaker 2: deeply ideological and committed to this ideological goal that has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with benefiting America overall. And so there

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Speaker 2: is a commonality between the you know how perplexed we

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Speaker 2: all are and disgusted with the commitment to Israel over

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Speaker 2: and above. You know, what's good for the world, certainly

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Speaker 2: not what's good for Palestinis, let alone what's good for America,

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Speaker 2: and the ideological direction and content of the boat bombings

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Speaker 2: and the potential regime change in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Friday Show tomorrow, we'll see you all

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Speaker 1: that