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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do big news both domestically and abroad. We
Speaker 1: now have received official word President Biden is going to
Speaker 1: be traveling to Israel and visiting with the leaders of
Speaker 1: some other countries while he is there, so we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that as well as the continued risks of the
Speaker 1: spread into a wider war. One of the things he
Speaker 1: is likely to be discussing is trying to open some
Speaker 1: sort of humanitarian corridor. There have been a lot of
Speaker 1: negotiations about that already, so we'll get into.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 1: We also have some additional results for you from that
Speaker 1: exclusive focus group that we conducted along with Jail partners
Speaker 1: down in Georgia, in and around Atlanta.
Speaker 4: That's where the residents came from.
Speaker 1: Democratic based voters talking about how they feel about President
Speaker 1: Biden and his age, their concerns, and you know, whether
Speaker 1: they would be open to other candids.
Speaker 4: So we'll talk about that. We also have.
Speaker 1: Big domestic news, as I mentioned, speaker vote happening today.
Speaker 1: Jim Jordan seems to have swayed some but maybe not enough,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes and talk about what
Speaker 1: it means. We also have some additional examples of censorship
Speaker 1: happening here, some wild back and forth between Jiji Hadid
Speaker 1: and the State of.
Speaker 4: Israel that we want to bring you.
Speaker 1: We also have a little bit of a hypocrisy we
Speaker 1: want to expose with regard to how people feel about
Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia versus Israel and Gaza. And I had
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Speaker 2: We'll have more to say on that, but let's actually
Speaker 2: get to the news here. Late last night, Secretary Blincoln,
Speaker 2: after a marathon nearly eight hour meeting privately with Prime
Speaker 2: Minister Netanya, who made a major announcement. President Biden on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: will be arriving in Israel.
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to.
Speaker 5: Say on Wednesday. President Biden was at Israel.
Speaker 6: He's coming here at a critical moment for Israel, for
Speaker 6: the region, and for the world.
Speaker 5: And he's coming here to do the follow up.
Speaker 6: First, the President will reaffirm the United States solidarity with
Speaker 6: Israel and our ironclad commitment to its security. President Biden
Speaker 6: will again make clear, as he's done unequivocally since amas
Speaker 6: is slaughter of more than fourteen hundred people.
Speaker 5: Including at least thirty Americans, that.
Speaker 6: Israel has the right and indeed the duty, to defend
Speaker 6: its people from Hamas and other terrorists and to prevent
Speaker 6: future attacks. President will hear from Israel what it needs
Speaker 6: to defend its people as we continue to work with
Speaker 6: Congress to meet those needs. Second, President Biden will underscore
Speaker 6: our crystal clear message to any actor, state or non
Speaker 6: state trying to take advantage of this crisis to attack Israel, don't.
Speaker 5: To that end, he's.
Speaker 6: Deployed two aircraft carrier groups and other military assets to
Speaker 6: the region. Third, the President will continue to coordinate closely
Speaker 6: with our Israeli partners to the secure of the release
Speaker 6: of hostages taken by Amas, including men, women, small children,
Speaker 6: Holocaust survivors, and American citizens, as an indispensable humanitarian effort. Fourth,
Speaker 6: President Biden will receive a comprehensive brief on Israel's war
Speaker 6: aims and strategy. Fifth, the President will hear from Israel
Speaker 6: how it will conduct its operations in a way that
Speaker 6: minimizes civilian casualties and enables humanitarian assistance to flow to
Speaker 6: civilians in Gaza in a way that does not benefit Hamas.
Speaker 6: To that end, today, and at our request, the United
Speaker 6: States and Israel have agreed to develop a plan that
Speaker 6: will enable humanitarian aid from donor nations and multilateral organizations
Speaker 6: to reach civilians in Gaza and them alone, including the
Speaker 6: possibility of creating areas to help keep civilians out of
Speaker 6: harm's way.
Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a major piece of news there. President Biden arriving. Now,
Speaker 2: we don't yet know what the circumstances of the arrival
Speaker 2: are for. Is it a show of solidarity as the
Speaker 2: Israelis wanted him to make, or is it to solve
Speaker 2: a diplomatic knot also breaking last night. Israel will be
Speaker 2: the first place that he does visit, but on the
Speaker 2: same trip we'll be traveling to Aman in Jordan, where
Speaker 2: he will meet with the Palestinian authority, the Egyptians, and
Speaker 2: the King of Jordan, so Christal. What that does show
Speaker 2: us is that this is a major diplomatic visit. In tradition,
Speaker 2: the US president when he does visit Israel, is supposed
Speaker 2: to visit Egypt. Kind of interesting that he is going
Speaker 2: over to Jordan, where he will of course still be
Speaker 2: meeting with President CCI. But it comes at a time
Speaker 2: of absolutely massive questions about US involvement and some terrifying
Speaker 2: stuff that began happening last night. Let's put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen. The IDF announced publicly that it
Speaker 2: was currently striking quote Hezbollah terrorist targets in Lebanon their
Speaker 2: words in terms of what they're saying. The reason why
Speaker 2: that that is so significant is it was the first
Speaker 2: time that they have publicly come out and said that
Speaker 2: they're making strikes not only in Lebanon, but targeting and
Speaker 2: naming Hezbola. By doing that, we know that this is
Speaker 2: entering the dangerous territory of a possible proxy war between
Speaker 2: Iran and Israel, and not even proxy, it could escalate
Speaker 2: much further, which will of course draw the United States
Speaker 2: in it. Also, these air strikes came just hours after
Speaker 2: a very ominous statement by the Iranian Foreign minister.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and play some of this.
Speaker 2: I'm going to read a translation of what he said
Speaker 2: which has everybody so worried. He says, quote, there will
Speaker 2: be potential preemptive action by Iran and its allies in
Speaker 2: the coming hours in the region to counter Israel's attacks.
Speaker 2: Here is exactly what he says. Resistance leaders will not
Speaker 2: allow the Zionist regime to take any action it wants
Speaker 2: in Gaza and then leave Gaza and go to other
Speaker 2: resistance spheres. He also invokes Israel's use of white phosphorus
Speaker 2: in Gaza and says that there will make a case
Speaker 2: to the Iranian public for preemptive military action direct quote
Speaker 2: today if we do not defend Gaza tomorrow we will
Speaker 2: have to face these bombs in children's hospitals in.
Speaker 3: Our own city.
Speaker 2: This is a very blunt warning of war, according to
Speaker 2: the official translation, and the final quote was quote eyeing
Speaker 2: for political solutions is running out. The possibility of expanding
Speaker 2: war is approaching inevitability. He also directly calls out the
Speaker 2: United States and says that they have asked for restraint
Speaker 2: and that they have been replied that they do not
Speaker 2: seek to expand the war. But the restraint is not
Speaker 2: one sided, and specifically on Hesbola. You cannot tell Hesbola
Speaker 2: to restrain and then tell Natanyahu to do whatever crime
Speaker 2: that he wants. So he specifically is calling out both
Speaker 2: Israel and the United States, threatening to use Hesbola and
Speaker 2: open a two front war. Again, the reason why it's
Speaker 2: significant is the reason we have these two carrier strike
Speaker 2: groups in the Eastern Mediterranean is an attempt to try
Speaker 2: and deter Iranian action. Hesbola is several multitudes more deadly
Speaker 2: to Israelis and to the IDF. It presents an actually
Speaker 2: significant military challenge and crystal it is the most likely
Speaker 2: avenue that the United States gets involved in this war.
Speaker 3: That is the lens of which I am viewing the
Speaker 3: Biden visit.
Speaker 4: I think that is one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1: The primary reason likely for his visit is to try
Speaker 1: to show solidarity with israelis to try to deter Hezbola
Speaker 1: from getting fully involved in this conflict, which looks more
Speaker 1: likely every day. I mean, that's the reason for the
Speaker 1: carrier strike group, that's the reason for us we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about the call up to be ready to
Speaker 1: go of some several thousand marines to the region. That
Speaker 1: is the reason why I believe he is visiting to
Speaker 1: try to keep this from escalating into.
Speaker 4: A broader war. Will it work or not is a
Speaker 4: bigger question.
Speaker 1: And you know what we've seen from the Biden administration
Speaker 1: is typical Israel. We stand with you no matter what.
Speaker 1: You have our support one hundred percent. You know they're
Speaker 1: trying to rush aid through that obviously, Tony Blincoln being
Speaker 1: there and his words of I'm here as a Jew
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 4: Completely support you.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 1: All of that is, you know, the primary actions that
Speaker 1: they're taking and basically giving Israel carte blanche to do
Speaker 1: what they want to do in Gaza. But you are
Speaker 1: starting to see some concern about how this is all
Speaker 1: going to unfold concern similar to what I raised yesterday about, Okay,
Speaker 1: you take out Hamas, what then who is going to govern?
Speaker 4: You heard Biden.
Speaker 1: Saying in that sixty minutes interview that reoccupation of Gaza
Speaker 1: would be a quote big mistake. You also see Tony
Speaker 1: Blincoln and others at least privately concerned that after the
Speaker 1: horror that the world saw of the you know, Hamas
Speaker 1: terrorist attack, and the incredible sympathy for the state of Israel,
Speaker 1: that that could fade very quickly seeing these you know,
Speaker 1: horrific pictures of Palestinians and children being killed in Gaza,
Speaker 1: that sympathies could shift very very quickly. So that's why
Speaker 1: when Tony Blinkin is announcing this visit, you know, he
Speaker 1: leads with, uh, we want to make it clear Israel
Speaker 1: and the right to defend herselve et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But then also on the list is hey, we want
Speaker 1: to see about opening up this humanitarian order. We want
Speaker 1: to see about trying to minimize civilian casualties. Now, they
Speaker 1: have been very clear they're not willing to condition Aid
Speaker 1: on any of this, So in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: it's just empty talk that has amounted thus far to
Speaker 1: lutely nothing in terms of humanitarian conditions. But I do
Speaker 1: think part of why there has been this big delay
Speaker 1: in the ground invasion is exactly for this concern about
Speaker 1: trying to avoid a direct hot war with Iran, or
Speaker 1: at least with hesbel.
Speaker 2: I really believe this is a Gordian knot which is unsolvable.
Speaker 2: The Israelis have a way of doing war and they're
Speaker 2: not going to change it. The US political system is
Speaker 2: absolutely not going to condition eight or any of that.
Speaker 2: It does basically doesn't allow any option but the one
Speaker 2: that you presently see for every US lawmaker, which is
Speaker 2: basically the Overton window, is support Israel rhetorically call for
Speaker 2: a two state solution all the way up to bomb Iran.
Speaker 2: There's nothing on the table which would constrain the number
Speaker 2: of options, and within that framework that we have right now,
Speaker 2: there is just simply no way I've been saying this
Speaker 2: from the beginning that Hesbola is going to sit by
Speaker 2: and just stand while a full blown war and actual shooting,
Speaker 2: you know, urban conflict evolves right in Gaza.
Speaker 3: Not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Already, one journalist who I deeply trust, let's put this
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Shashankoshi. He's the defense editor
Speaker 2: at the Economist. He has had the best reporting that
Speaker 2: I've seen on Ukraine. I mean, he has some of
Speaker 2: the best sources in British intelligence and elsewhere. He says, quote,
Speaker 2: Iran has been pushing Hesbolah to join the war, according
Speaker 2: to at least one informed account that I have heard,
Speaker 2: And I mean I take that with very seriously, because
Speaker 2: there has been two different ways that we can view it.
Speaker 2: Hesbola itself could view its role as having to insert itself,
Speaker 2: or Iran also could be the one trying to constrain
Speaker 2: it to have the primary backer of the group allegedly
Speaker 2: or at this case reportedly wanting them to join the conflict.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other level of insertion. You have the
Speaker 2: leader of Hezbolah. They put out a statement yesterday that
Speaker 2: the time is nearing about some major attack. The Iranian
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister's language was very ominous, saying, you know, preemptive
Speaker 2: strike may need to occur. And then when we couple
Speaker 2: that crystal with the air strike itself, air strikes by
Speaker 2: the Israelis did not happen as a result of a
Speaker 2: rocket attack. It was directly after this Iranian foreign minister,
Speaker 2: meaning that it was at least quote preemptive in the
Speaker 2: view of the Israelis trying to take out infrastructure. Now,
Speaker 2: you don't preemptively bomb something unless you think it's about
Speaker 2: to be used against you.
Speaker 3: So maybe the Israelis themselves have intelligence.
Speaker 2: All of this on the backdrop is America and its
Speaker 2: carrier strike groups. As I mentioned, we can put this
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Increasing reporting. Also here in Washington,
Speaker 2: the US and Israel are focusing on Hezbola's next move
Speaker 2: after the Hamas attack. Quote, American officials said they believe
Speaker 2: the deployment of aircraft carrier strike groups has at least
Speaker 2: for now, deterred Hesbola from opening a new front in
Speaker 2: the war. Now, maybe you should be comforted by that
Speaker 2: if you're Israeli, if you're America, what you should read
Speaker 2: there is that our firepower is the only thing standing
Speaker 2: in the way of a two front war and apossible
Speaker 2: global conflagration. And also it's not even doing a particularly
Speaker 2: good job of it, because we still could be.
Speaker 3: In it right now.
Speaker 2: How can you not read that as the US military
Speaker 2: is effectively trying to backstafe this and that we are
Speaker 2: almost one hundred percent going to get involved. And the
Speaker 2: best way to always look at it is do we
Speaker 2: have troops there or not? And already just last night,
Speaker 2: let's put this up there on the screen. We have
Speaker 2: two thousand US Marines and sailors that will quote join
Speaker 2: a growing number of US warships and will converge on
Speaker 2: Israel as the US seeks to send a message quote
Speaker 2: of deterrens to Iran and prevent the war in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Once you actually see a US Marine rapid response force,
Speaker 2: which is what they are designed for, and they are
Speaker 2: designed to fight and to kill, then we know exactly
Speaker 2: what the trend is for policy making options. Already, Crystal,
Speaker 2: I've seen some reports inside the Pentagon they are drawing
Speaker 2: up plans for what a war of defense of Israel
Speaker 2: would look like, of what a US military invasion would
Speaker 2: look like, what a US military incursion against Lebanon, and
Speaker 2: then of course broader war plans with the Iran iman
Speaker 2: sitting around inside the Pentagon for a long time. And
Speaker 2: this is what the this is what the war or
Speaker 2: the drums of war sound like right now, Yah, when
Speaker 2: you can see all.
Speaker 1: Of this, not to mention, I mean On the one hand, Okay,
Speaker 1: Biden is going to try to deter Iran. But if
Speaker 1: you have the American president, they're standing next to Netanyaho,
Speaker 1: who is by the way, completely lost the trust of
Speaker 1: his own people, but effectively backstopping him and his extraordinarily
Speaker 1: extreme government as they are already committing what the UN
Speaker 1: and others are describing as war crimes, including this medieval siege,
Speaker 1: including the absolute bombing civilian infrastructure, including the force relocation
Speaker 1: of a million people, evacuation of a million people from
Speaker 1: northern Gaza. You have the American President standing there, standing
Speaker 1: next to netnah who while all of this is happening.
Speaker 1: So as much as they may say, oh, we want
Speaker 1: the humanitarian cord, we want to allow aid through, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk to Israel about all of this, the
Speaker 1: bottom line is they're never going to condition aid. They're
Speaker 1: not going to use any of the carrots and the
Speaker 1: sticks that they have at their disposal to try to
Speaker 1: make sure that the Palestinian people are protected in the
Speaker 1: rules of international engagement.
Speaker 4: And war are followed.
Speaker 1: So that specter in and of itself is rather extraordinary
Speaker 1: in what what I.
Speaker 4: Would say is a very bad way.
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say about this New York
Speaker 1: Times report, which is all based on what intel ghules are.
Speaker 4: Saying, etc. Etc.
Speaker 1: I don't know why we have any confidence in them
Speaker 1: when apparently they didn't say any of this coming to
Speaker 1: start with.
Speaker 4: That's number one, So I wouldn't really put.
Speaker 1: A lot of faith in their analysis of the situation
Speaker 1: at this point. And the other thing is they have
Speaker 1: this quote here that says, listen. This is from a
Speaker 1: former senior Pentagon official and CIA officer. He says, if
Speaker 1: Hamas looks like it will be destroyed, Hesbela will have
Speaker 1: incredible pressure to get directly involved and open a northern front.
Speaker 1: The more civilians killed, the more outrage will come from
Speaker 1: people in the region. This will put more pressure on
Speaker 1: Hezbollah to join the fight or lose credibility.
Speaker 4: So if you have the.
Speaker 1: American president, we've already had American secretary's date there, you
Speaker 1: have the American president there as well. If you have
Speaker 1: carrier strike groups in the region while this thing is escalating,
Speaker 1: you tell me what that's going to look like for
Speaker 1: us and for our involvement.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, And this actually fits with some broader reporting
Speaker 2: outside and inside Israel actually about the United States and
Speaker 2: what some of those discussions look like behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: So let's put this up there please on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is a report actually from the Times of Israel themselves,
Speaker 2: clearly coming from Israeli sources. They say that the Biden
Speaker 2: administration has privately been pressing Israel to flush out what
Speaker 2: is its strategy for the days after it completes its
Speaker 2: stated goal of eradicating Hamas in the ongoing Gaza War.
Speaker 2: The US and Israeli official have told The Times of Israel.
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Netanyahu and his inner circle have indicated Israel
Speaker 2: has not yet come up with such a strategy and
Speaker 2: instead are more focused on the immediate goal of removing
Speaker 2: Hamas from power in Gaza. The US official cautions against
Speaker 2: this approach, saying, devoid of a strategy for who will
Speaker 2: control the strip if and when Hamas is removed, IDF
Speaker 2: is more likely to get bogged down in Gaza indefinitely.
Speaker 2: Despite Israel insisting it does not want to, you reoccupy
Speaker 2: the enclave. In Israeli official tales the Times of Israel
Speaker 2: than the National Unity chair of Benny Ganz and fellow
Speaker 2: faction member Gotti eisen Kott demanded the creation of a
Speaker 2: Gaza exit strategy upon their entry into the government, and
Speaker 2: they have tasked the committee with drawing one up.
Speaker 4: A committee is on it.
Speaker 2: We spend a lot of time on this. I have
Speaker 2: a question when you okay, So it's not like Iraq.
Speaker 2: We decided to invade I Rock somewhere around two thousand
Speaker 2: and two. We invaded about a year later, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three. I'm not going to forgive them for coming
Speaker 2: up not coming up with an extra strategy, because they
Speaker 2: definitely should have, but it's not like it was one
Speaker 2: that you always needed under the shelf. If you are
Speaker 2: Israel and you've been dealing with the terrorist government of
Speaker 2: Hamas for the last what seventeen years, how do you
Speaker 2: not have a war plan that goes into this exact scenario?
Speaker 2: Was this totally unforeseeable a major terrorist attack on your soil?
Speaker 2: If so, then you're an idiot. And if not, well,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say about the IDF
Speaker 2: and it's supposed, I mean, I can't tell you how
Speaker 2: their reputation the entire Zerli security state on this and look,
Speaker 2: well withhold because they still have an engaged in major conflict.
Speaker 2: That said, they had one of the most professional reputations
Speaker 2: in the world. Everybody knew this. It was like, wow,
Speaker 2: these are these are you know, these people don't screw
Speaker 2: around like they are very good at what they do,
Speaker 2: and they don't.
Speaker 3: Have a strategy for Gaza. I mean what, you.
Speaker 2: Just envisioned this, this situation to just sit there for
Speaker 2: all time. Everybody knew it was untenable, and even they
Speaker 2: probably knew it was untenable. They just wanted to keep
Speaker 2: it going for as long as humanly possible. The fact
Speaker 2: that they don't have a strategy speaks to the exact
Speaker 2: problems of what the US had post nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: which is something you and I have been focusing on
Speaker 2: here a long time. Look Aqi al Qaeda in Iraq,
Speaker 2: we killed that leader in two thousand and six. Zarkawi
Speaker 2: did it end isis for all time? No made it worse, right,
Speaker 2: So what's the point of that. You can to capitate leadership? Great,
Speaker 2: You got to make sure that you know more rats
Speaker 2: don't come up from the belly of the ship. You
Speaker 2: got to make make sure not only I'm not even
Speaker 2: talking about the meme of like root causes at a
Speaker 2: baseline level, you have to ensure that you do not
Speaker 2: need to fully military occupy this region without leading to
Speaker 2: the exact same outcome. Currently, I don't see a scenario
Speaker 2: that they have laid out, even to American war planners
Speaker 2: privately or publicly, for what that is. It just seems
Speaker 2: like they want to do what America did after nine
Speaker 2: to eleven, which was feel good about themselves and go in.
Speaker 2: But you know, after the Battle of Tora Bora bin
Speaker 2: Laden escapes, America is rootless.
Speaker 3: We don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: They could even succeed technically in their mission of going
Speaker 2: in and killing Hamas, but they have said not only
Speaker 2: that they want to kill Hamas leadership a militants, which
Speaker 2: I think is totally legitimate, justified, and they should do,
Speaker 2: but how do you make sure that it doesn't happen again?
Speaker 2: And that's where the political solution comes into play. That's
Speaker 2: also where you know, major diplomatic efforts have to be
Speaker 2: made here. So look, we're in a better situation right
Speaker 2: now that clearly the Biden administration, the international community and
Speaker 2: others have made it clear like just going in right
Speaker 2: now is going to get into a wider conflict. But
Speaker 2: I personally fear that the Biden. People are not going
Speaker 2: to press enough that there's too much either domestic political
Speaker 2: pressure on Netanyahu to go in and to do something
Speaker 2: about this that we don't think about the next day.
Speaker 2: And that is how you get into Iraq two point zero.
Speaker 2: We already saw this story in the twenty first century.
Speaker 2: People are not learning from these mistakes.
Speaker 1: Think about the frickin' mission accomplished banner. Yes, the easiest
Speaker 1: part from our perspective was going into a rock and
Speaker 1: blowing a bunch of shit up and declaring mission accomplished.
Speaker 4: That's the easy part. Then what comes next?
Speaker 1: The fact that they are admitting that they have no
Speaker 1: idea is stunning to me. I just look at this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like Jesus Christ. The world learn nothing from
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Learn nothing from the disastrous nature of
Speaker 1: our response, which made us all less safe and not
Speaker 1: to mention, slaughtered so many Iraqi civilians, cost us so
Speaker 1: many lives in terms of our soldiers, our men and women,
Speaker 1: our treasure, sent that whole region into chaos, increased the
Speaker 1: amount of terrorism. And so when you you know, have
Speaker 1: this and the other context heresager that I think is
Speaker 1: really important to keep in mind is now who can
Speaker 1: read a poll. He was already under massive fire domestically
Speaker 1: before this incredible, horrific failure of his own government, which
Speaker 1: is not me, that's not my opinion, that's like ninety
Speaker 1: six percent of Israelis who feel that way. So he
Speaker 1: feels very weak in terms of his political position. This
Speaker 1: is a man who has always been willing to do
Speaker 1: whatever it takes in order to hold on to.
Speaker 4: Or obtain power.
Speaker 1: And so if the you know, reaction within the Israeli
Speaker 1: public is just we're out for blood, which I think
Speaker 1: that is the overwhelming reaction with Israeli public, that's what
Speaker 1: he's going to deliver because he feels that's what he
Speaker 1: has to do to.
Speaker 4: Keep his grip on power.
Speaker 1: So it should be terrifying to everyone that they have
Speaker 1: no plan for the day after, and you know, thinking
Speaker 1: longer down the road. And this is the point that
Speaker 1: I have made previously, but think of the children who
Speaker 1: are growing up now with this experience. Do you think
Speaker 1: that they're going to be de radicalized by what is
Speaker 1: going on now with this you know, collective punishment that's
Speaker 1: being inflicted on all of Gaza. Do you think that's
Speaker 1: more likely to lead to peace or do you think
Speaker 1: it's more likely to go in the other direction. Just
Speaker 1: as our actions in Iraq and in the Middle East
Speaker 1: helped to form and provide fuel.
Speaker 4: To ISIS, do you think it's more likely to go in.
Speaker 1: The other direction of creating additional terror, additional radicalization among
Speaker 1: this population.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And actually we have a lot of lessons about what
Speaker 2: ended up working, you know, and they're very uncomfortable lessons.
Speaker 2: You know what ended up working in Syria to eradicate ISIS, Well,
Speaker 2: it took a massim lots of checks from us.
Speaker 3: It also took Asad winning the war.
Speaker 2: That's really difficult to say for a man who's probably
Speaker 2: responsible for at a minimum of what three hundred thousand
Speaker 2: people dead. Well, it's kind of a Saddama same lesson. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he wasn't a good guy. He massacred a lot of
Speaker 2: his own people. It turned out we were better off
Speaker 2: with him than we were without him. The same thing
Speaker 2: in Iraq today, in the government where it is, which
Speaker 2: is already like complete mess, Well, same thing. It took
Speaker 2: us writing massive checks, lots of weapons to go in
Speaker 2: and blow the hell out of the city of Mosul,
Speaker 2: and to then prop up a government which still did
Speaker 2: some very uncomfortable and difficult things that we don't necessarily
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge to make sure that Isis didn't come
Speaker 2: to power. Same with Egypt. When we think about what's
Speaker 2: going on over there. I'm not saying I support it necessarily.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, stability comes at a huge cost. It
Speaker 2: can also lead to big, bubbling problems, as we all
Speaker 2: found out in twenty eleven. So this is a complicated thing,
Speaker 2: but it does then represent that a political solution to
Speaker 2: all of this is absolutely necessary, and also from a
Speaker 2: military level. The failure of our invasion of Iraq was
Speaker 2: to completely misunderstand Iraqi society, the depathification policy, the way
Speaker 2: that we tried to cobble together a fake coalition, Our
Speaker 2: window dressing both in Iraq and really with the Karzai
Speaker 2: government in Afghanistan as well, actually made problems bubble up
Speaker 2: later on in the surface and ensured that we ended
Speaker 2: up staying in those countries even longer than we absolutely
Speaker 2: should have.
Speaker 3: So lots of lessons for the Israelis. And you know,
Speaker 3: if you go to Israel, they love to talk a
Speaker 3: big game.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you guys don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2: You guys, you know failed this, you failed that. And
Speaker 2: I look at this and I'm like, well, what happened
Speaker 2: to these big talk guys. It's like, where's the you know,
Speaker 2: the brilliance. You guys always claim your geniuses about balancing
Speaker 2: these powers and you know, playing Iran against each other
Speaker 2: and Saudi and you know, they really believed that they
Speaker 2: were like they cracked the code in terms of all that.
Speaker 2: I think that's taken some of that off. Also a
Speaker 2: very abstute observer, Olivier Knox, He's a foreign correspondent here
Speaker 2: in Washington.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: I've always trusted the what he has to say is
Speaker 2: a great reporter, and he points out astuteley, the language
Speaker 2: of caution creeps into Biden's messages to Israel, and he
Speaker 2: points specifically from original October seventh quote, Israel has a duty,
Speaker 2: pure unadulterated evil to aircraft carrier. And then in recent days,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's a big mistake to occupy Gaza.
Speaker 2: Even if amhas is a necessary requirement, Yes, we still
Speaker 2: need a priest process. Meeting with the PA president mahmurabas
Speaker 2: whenever he's in Aman, showing that after the bellicos rhetoric
Speaker 2: of the first couple of days.
Speaker 3: Which is understandable.
Speaker 2: You know the world has nothing but sympathy for what
Speaker 2: happened to Israel, or at least any sane person for
Speaker 2: a terrorist attack. Then though immediately understanding the stakes of
Speaker 2: the conflict, the geopolitical ramification, and that is where the
Speaker 2: Biden administration is right now, and unfortunately from them, I
Speaker 2: have zero trust for President Biden and for his foreign
Speaker 2: policy team after especially what happened in Ukraine.
Speaker 3: They're bumbling ass policy. Oh we'll give you this. No, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you this. Oh we want.
Speaker 2: Regime change in Russia. No, we don't want regime change
Speaker 2: in Russia. This is the same JV squad that's running
Speaker 2: Israel Palestine. If you thought Russia Ukraine was complicated, is ten.
Speaker 4: Times one emotionally fraud Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: More likely for us to get into hot work because
Speaker 2: at least the other side doesn't have nucrow weapons.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is very true. There was a quote also
Speaker 1: on this like oh their sounding notes of caution. IDEA
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin had some commentary on lessons
Speaker 1: from nine to eleven. He said one of the things
Speaker 1: we learned is you have to really think through next steps.
Speaker 1: You have to be very thoughtful about that because they
Speaker 1: will have long term implications. Don't operate on reflex activity.
Speaker 1: Think through what you're going to do, what implications is
Speaker 1: going to have for the country, for the region and beyond.
Speaker 1: But it really does remind me of the empty talk
Speaker 1: from the administration about you know, when they would go
Speaker 1: and say like, oh, Ukraine Zelenski, don't use our weapons
Speaker 1: on Russian territory, Please don't do that.
Speaker 4: We don't want you to do that.
Speaker 1: But it was completely empty and hollow because it wasn't conditioned.
Speaker 1: It's not like they were threatening their future aid going
Speaker 1: forward or actually applying any sort of pressure to affect
Speaker 1: the outcome that they theoretically wanted.
Speaker 4: And so I see this in the same light. It's
Speaker 4: just empty words.
Speaker 1: Israel is going to do whatever Israel wants to do,
Speaker 1: and Netanyahu, you know, who's in a fight for his life.
Speaker 1: And Israeli society that you know, feels the way we
Speaker 1: did after nine to eleven, and you know, many people
Speaker 1: there just want to see retaliation, They want to see
Speaker 1: Hamas punished. They really don't care that much about the
Speaker 1: toll that is taking on the civilian population, and they're
Speaker 1: really not thinking too much about down the road. They're
Speaker 1: dealing in the here and now. And listen, Israeli society
Speaker 1: is not a monel. It's just as we weren't either.
Speaker 1: But you know, the empty words from our administration ultimately
Speaker 1: mean absolutely nothing if you're not willing to back them
Speaker 1: up with the force of some sort of carrot or
Speaker 1: stick to encourage them and force them to comply. So
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't read too much into this little
Speaker 1: bit of a shift in tone of like humanitarian quarter
Speaker 1: good to U crane all over again.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, no, we want regime change. No, we
Speaker 2: don't want regime change. Well you said you want regime change, okay, right,
Speaker 2: so you already went with the Maximus one, and then
Speaker 2: all your policy goes to that level. But then every
Speaker 2: once in a while you throw a lip service on
Speaker 2: background to the Washington Post. But actually the Ukrainians are
Speaker 2: a little bit out of control.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it's all fake.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: That's a good transition because one of the areas where
Speaker 1: the US has been like kind of talking a big
Speaker 1: game and failing to actually deliver is on trying to
Speaker 1: establish any sort of humanitarian quarter, you know, along the
Speaker 1: Gaza border into Egypt in particular. And also remember we've
Speaker 1: got American hostages that are held by Hamas right now,
Speaker 1: Tony blink and acknowledge that that might be the first
Speaker 1: time that we've actually had official acknowledgment that there are
Speaker 1: American citizens being held as hostages by Hamas right now.
Speaker 1: We also have hundreds of American citizens who are in Gaza.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: The American citizens who are in Israel, the Biden administration
Speaker 1: has been working aggressively to charter flights to get them
Speaker 1: out if they want to leave. Not so much success
Speaker 1: or interest in terms of getting the hundreds of Americans
Speaker 1: who are in Gaza right now out of there. Let
Speaker 1: me give you a few updates from on the ground.
Speaker 1: Because this issue of the hostages that Hamas has taken,
Speaker 1: which is you know, brutal and horrific what they are
Speaker 1: doing here, this is going to continue to be a
Speaker 1: huge issue for the American public and also very much
Speaker 1: for the Israeli public. We had the first hostage video
Speaker 1: released from HAMAS. Let's take a look at that, so
Speaker 1: you can see here this is actually a French Israeli woman.
Speaker 1: They're showing her here, you know, receiving treatment from whatever
Speaker 1: horrific injuries she suffered.
Speaker 4: You can see her.
Speaker 1: They also in the video, which you know, obviously this
Speaker 1: is all like compelled speech, so keep that in mind
Speaker 1: as I'm reading the words. But she says here, I'm
Speaker 1: a prisoner in Gaza. They treated me and performed a
Speaker 1: surgery on me that took three hours, and everything is fine.
Speaker 1: I only asked that you were turned me home as
Speaker 1: soon as possible, return me to my family. Please get
Speaker 1: us out of here as soon as possible. She is
Speaker 1: twenty one years old. Her family reportedly obviously very relieved
Speaker 1: to see that she is at least alive, but in
Speaker 1: grave danger and in grave peril and saga. There are
Speaker 1: hundreds we now know at least two hundred hostages being held,
Speaker 1: innocent civilians who are being held by Hamas in Gaza
Speaker 1: and who are very much at risk at this point.
Speaker 1: You know, some of the most vehement protests within Israel
Speaker 1: at Ntnyahuo's government and their handling of this crisis have
Speaker 1: been from people who have family members who are being
Speaker 1: held right now, or close loved ones who are being
Speaker 1: held right now as hostages. So this continues to be
Speaker 1: a horrific and emotional issue bubbling here under the surface,
Speaker 1: especially as Israel, you know, shells bombs the hell out
Speaker 1: of Gaza on these hostages are also at risk. Of course,
Speaker 1: the blame lies primarily with Hamas for taking them in
Speaker 1: the first place. Let's go ahead and put the latest
Speaker 1: death toll that we have up on the screen here,
Speaker 1: both in terms of Israelis and in terms of Palestinians.
Speaker 1: In Israel we have fourteen hundred confirmed killed, thirty four
Speaker 1: hundred injured.
Speaker 4: As of yesterday.
Speaker 1: In Gaza we had twenty seven hundred and seventy eight killed,
Speaker 1: more than a thousand of those, by the way, children,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because the population of Gaza is so
Speaker 1: young and close to ten thousand injured.
Speaker 4: This is what is confirmed.
Speaker 1: This also, as we mentioned yesterday, the main hospital which
Speaker 1: is in Gaza City, which is in the evacuation zone,
Speaker 1: already struggling, already overwhelmed with trying to deal with patients.
Speaker 1: Only the most critical patients are being treated at the hospital.
Speaker 1: Already they are saying there is no way we can
Speaker 1: evacuate there. It is just a complete impossibility. So incredibly
Speaker 1: dire situation there. At the same time, you know, speaking
Speaker 1: about American words versus action, We've had this whole game
Speaker 1: of telephone basically about whether or not there's going to
Speaker 1: be some sort of opening at the Gaza.
Speaker 4: Border with Egypt.
Speaker 1: American officials indicating that we're working on it. It's going
Speaker 1: to happen back and forth between Egypt and Israel. Egypt
Speaker 1: saying that Israel would not commit to not bombing AID
Speaker 1: convoys coming in at that border, and that's why they've
Speaker 1: held back. We have New York Times actually spoke to
Speaker 1: an American family that, hearing that there might be a
Speaker 1: possibility that they could exit through Egypt, has showed up
Speaker 1: at the border along with scores and scores of other people.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what that mother had to
Speaker 1: say about her experience.
Speaker 4: So you can see.
Speaker 1: These are images of the Rafa crossing point that is
Speaker 1: from Gaza into Egypt. As it says here, up to
Speaker 1: six hundred Americans are in Gaza, and you can see
Speaker 1: this one family, a young mother and her young children.
Speaker 1: She's saying, I'm an American citizen, my husband is an
Speaker 1: American citizen. We were both born there I'm a mother
Speaker 1: to three children who also have American passports and were
Speaker 1: born there.
Speaker 4: Can see the children there.
Speaker 1: They've never visited Gaza in their lives, and if you
Speaker 1: can imagine the first time they visit, this war happens.
Speaker 1: The people who are still alive, those who haven't been
Speaker 1: bombed or lost their houses, have to hold on and
Speaker 1: keep going with less food, water, and fuel, and you
Speaker 1: can see the situation is very, very dangerous. You see
Speaker 1: little kids with giant suitcases waiting at this border crossing,
Speaker 1: and you have another Jordanian citizen here hoping her children
Speaker 1: will be able to cross into Egypt, asking what have
Speaker 1: these children done? Why can't they go safely to their country?
Speaker 1: Why are they still in Jordan? Why are they still
Speaker 1: in Gaza? Jordan is responsible for them. We are facing
Speaker 1: the possibility of death every second. Our situation is awful.
Speaker 1: So this is the experience of people who have been
Speaker 1: waiting at this border. There were conflicting messages about whether
Speaker 1: or not it would be open, and now it seems
Speaker 1: very much less likely because let's go and show this.
Speaker 1: Israeli warplanes have just bombed again this Gaza rapa crossing
Speaker 1: that leads as I said, into Egypt. Israel attacked that
Speaker 1: crossing again yesterday, and.
Speaker 4: You know, the roads have been completely blown up.
Speaker 1: The idea of being able to pass any sort of
Speaker 1: humanitarian aid trucks into this area, you know, virtual impossibility
Speaker 1: because of the damage to the roadways here. And you know,
Speaker 1: at this point they've struck this crossing multiple times, so
Speaker 1: very difficult to say. One of the goals of Biden
Speaker 1: and Blincoln in the region is to try to come
Speaker 1: up with some solution for civilians and at least to
Speaker 1: try to get some American citizens out of there if
Speaker 1: nothing else, and seems like a virtual impossibility at these points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does. If we can throw the next
Speaker 2: one up there on the screen. I mean, they say
Speaker 2: the US seeks Gaza aid and safe zones as Israeli
Speaker 2: invasion looms, And the thing is that where is the deconfliction,
Speaker 2: where is the diplomacy. Israel is like, well, we're bombing
Speaker 2: it because Hamas is using it, or there's a tunnel
Speaker 2: network underneath.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know about bringing Hama's weapons and all that,
Speaker 2: And even if it is true, it's like, well, why
Speaker 2: don't we negotiate an actual time period where these people
Speaker 2: can get across. It also demonstrates once again the intransigence
Speaker 2: of all of the parties that are involved here, and frankly,
Speaker 2: the outright disrespect to the United States. I just want
Speaker 2: to say again, we have given Egypt eighty billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Their regime does not survive without America.
Speaker 2: And we come to them, We're like, hey, can we
Speaker 2: get our citizens out of there? They're like, nah, You're
Speaker 2: not getting them out there, not unless you do a
Speaker 2: quid pro quo with Israel. And then our freaking Secretary
Speaker 2: of State is in Israel for eight hours and he
Speaker 2: can't properly negotiate aboard. What are we doing here? We
Speaker 2: have you know, I was just telling you while that
Speaker 2: clip was playing, I was like, you know, I heard
Speaker 2: a lot from all these people about oh, American citizens
Speaker 2: left behind in Afghanistan and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: Where are you now? You know these people are our citizens.
Speaker 2: It's like they have some protection from their government, and
Speaker 2: you know we have. The Safe Zone has failed already
Speaker 2: in South Gaza, not only in terms of not only
Speaker 2: in terms of like the water infrastructure allegedly being turned
Speaker 2: on or any of other stuff, not even in terms
Speaker 2: of the airstrike, but most importantly, just from a purer
Speaker 2: national perspective, I consider myself a nationals Our citizens are
Speaker 2: not being afforded safe passage by both parties, who we
Speaker 2: have both paid billions of dollars, and our secretary of
Speaker 2: State is in the region. That's a failure already.
Speaker 1: And he was made to look like a fool after
Speaker 1: Blincoln met with Egypt's President c s.
Speaker 4: He said it will be open. He said, Rafa will
Speaker 4: be open.
Speaker 1: That's why so many people showed up at this border
Speaker 1: and are clamoring to try to get out. And he's
Speaker 1: made a fool of now in this situation. And obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, in my view, American lives are not any
Speaker 1: more precious than the lives of the Palestinians who are
Speaker 1: suffering here. But in terms of you know, this idea, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a different note being sounded. The US is putting
Speaker 1: prash and Biden's going to go and try to work
Speaker 1: out this Gordian not et cetera, et cetera. I mean,
Speaker 1: how is this working out even on the most minimal
Speaker 1: of ass of Hey, we kind of like our own
Speaker 1: citizens to be able to cross here. He's made a
Speaker 1: complete fool of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying they're no more.
Speaker 2: Nobody is precious, okay, but I'd say the government has
Speaker 2: a responsibility first and foremost to its own citizens. And
Speaker 2: so where is that we got our people out of Israel?
Speaker 2: We are you know, flying people out of aircraft carriers.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just can't believe that it has come
Speaker 2: to this and that we again are being made fools
Speaker 2: of in this diplomatic situation. I mean, Henry Kissinger should
Speaker 2: be rolling He's not actually his great, but it should
Speaker 2: be rolling around.
Speaker 3: If he was in his great it would be rolling around. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess he would be rolling around watching this.
Speaker 2: You know, from his ability at that time during the
Speaker 2: Amkipour War, and again you can have a lot of criticisms,
Speaker 2: but he was an exceptional diplomat at that time in
Speaker 2: terms of keeping actual negotiating power with both of the parties,
Speaker 2: bringing the end to the conflict, and making sure that
Speaker 2: it didn't escalate to a full nuclear war, which was
Speaker 2: absolutely on the table. The current diplomacy from the White
Speaker 2: House is so disjointed and foolish that it is making
Speaker 2: the prospect of broader war more likely.
Speaker 3: Even more so Crystal.
Speaker 2: Something we talked about is they said they were going
Speaker 2: to do a humanitarian corridor out of Gaza, not for
Speaker 2: American citizens.
Speaker 3: Out of God Cheryl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put this on the screen just to show you.
Speaker 2: Now that's over. Blincoln now quote publicly opposes mass relocating
Speaker 2: Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt Sinai Peninsula. He says, I
Speaker 2: have heard directly from the PA Authority, President of Boston,
Speaker 2: from virtually every other leader I've talked to in the region.
Speaker 3: The idea is a novel.
Speaker 4: Well, this is this is.
Speaker 1: A very emotional issue for Palestinians. It's being seen as
Speaker 1: you know, a second Knappa basically of you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're being forced down of our homes again, this
Speaker 1: little strip of territory that we've been allowed to hold.
Speaker 4: So I think that was what it was expressed.
Speaker 3: I understand this.
Speaker 4: It's a very emotional option that.
Speaker 2: You I understand that from their point of view, and
Speaker 2: that is why we have to give an assurance for
Speaker 2: the most powerful nation on earth that that is not
Speaker 2: going to happen.
Speaker 3: Negotiated to by a.
Speaker 2: Point of view, we want you listen, We want people
Speaker 2: to live, We want children to live. We want to
Speaker 2: make sure that this doesn't escalate into some full blown disaster.
Speaker 3: We've had enough war already this year.
Speaker 2: We don't need another Bachmudd times fifteen, you know, in
Speaker 2: terms of what we're going to see.
Speaker 3: So and this is what you know, we got to
Speaker 3: say this about the Palestinians too.
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, I get it, you should be skeptical,
Speaker 2: but don't choose death for no reason. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just no reason to be to voluntarily be like I
Speaker 2: refuse to leave out of some sort of pride in
Speaker 2: you're there, leaders, you know, Hamas and President of Boss.
Speaker 2: They're basically saying this is a total non starter. Like
Speaker 2: we have to at least come to some situation where
Speaker 2: people can agree that a military operation needs to take
Speaker 2: place in Gaza and Hamas needs to pay, and that
Speaker 2: some sort of mass civilian death does not need to occur.
Speaker 2: The Arab States are complete hypocrites. Just just today this morning,
Speaker 2: I woke up, King of Dulla says we will not
Speaker 2: take one Palestinian out of Gaza. And you know, I
Speaker 2: mean from their perspective, I get it. There, you know
Speaker 2: what seventy something some of the population is Palestinian I've
Speaker 2: been to Jordan, you know, barely feels like Jordan. According
Speaker 2: to the actual Jordanians, they're like, our country's been totally changed,
Speaker 2: we've all stuffered. But the Egyptians, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: the Sinai Peninsula is massive. We've had un presence there
Speaker 2: for a long time. There's even American service members in
Speaker 2: the region. We can make something happen if we want
Speaker 2: to to walk this all back. The Arab States themselves
Speaker 2: have not offered to do anything really except calling for
Speaker 2: a ceasefire, like at a humanitarian level.
Speaker 3: Once again, I think, and this is the most frustrating part.
Speaker 2: The Palestinians are ponds, and that's just that's the most frustrating,
Speaker 2: the difficult part.
Speaker 1: I mean, people shouldn't be forced down of their homes
Speaker 1: and the descript nature. I mean, you have, you know,
Speaker 1: evacuation orders for over a million people, many of whom
Speaker 1: can't go, have nowhere to go, you know, goaz. It's
Speaker 1: this very small territory, you know, that's been said many times.
Speaker 1: And also only certain parts of it are developed. So
Speaker 1: the parts that are developed are incredibly densely packed, and
Speaker 1: the rest of it is just basically like open in
Speaker 1: farm or agricultural land with no sort of infrastructure, no
Speaker 1: sort of facilities. So you know that in a sense
Speaker 1: makes the populated or places you can go in Gaza
Speaker 1: even less. And you know, Israel has made life in
Speaker 1: Gaza so miserable already that people feel like they have
Speaker 1: very little to lose. And I think that's part of
Speaker 1: the you know, part of the mental calculation that's going
Speaker 1: on here, not to mention the like generational nightmare of
Speaker 1: the original Nakba and being terrified that that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they're facing once again, when you already have thousands of
Speaker 1: not only apart in buildings, but single family homes that
Speaker 1: have been blown up in this in this in this operation.
Speaker 1: So there was one other piece with regard to Egypt.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's just sort of like meaningless words. Egyptians,
Speaker 1: Egyptian Presidency, LCC and Biden agreed the current situation in
Speaker 1: Gauza is extremely dangerous, needs to be de escalating, no shit,
Speaker 1: to avoid widening the crisis in the region. They agreed
Speaker 1: priority should be given to protect of civilians and the
Speaker 1: entry of humanitarian aid to guzza. Well, Israel just blew
Speaker 1: up the rough a crossing, So how is that going
Speaker 1: to work?
Speaker 2: Well, they bombed, they didn't blow up the whole thing,
Speaker 2: not a defense. They bombed nearby, which part of the issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So no progress here basically in terms of any
Speaker 1: sort of humanitarian solution, protection of civilians, end of the siege,
Speaker 1: any of that.
Speaker 4: No real progress.
Speaker 1: And again this is before the ground invasion even begins.
Speaker 1: If there is to be a ground invasion, which I
Speaker 1: guess at this point is a bit of an open
Speaker 1: question given the delay on that.
Speaker 3: We don't know. Yeah, there's some indication.
Speaker 2: I don't see any scenario where Israeli troops do not
Speaker 2: at least you enter for some period of time, especially
Speaker 2: after all the talk that's happened. Also given the attack,
Speaker 2: I just don't think they could restrict themselves solely to
Speaker 2: ground or to air operations. Yes, doesn't seem politically tenable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I don't know.
Speaker 1: At the same time, there was a really interesting exchange
Speaker 1: we wanted to highlight and analyze for you all over
Speaker 1: on Sky News where Israeli ambassador got into quite a
Speaker 1: hot clash over the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
Speaker 4: Let's sakelesn't have that unfolded.
Speaker 9: What's the view on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza this morning?
Speaker 8: Well, there is no humanitarian crisis because there is no
Speaker 8: Israel Is in charge of the safety of the Israelies,
Speaker 8: Hamas is in charge of the safety of the Palestinians.
Speaker 8: We've been showing pictures this morning that would illustrate that
Speaker 8: there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Can ask you something,
Speaker 8: are your mother? Yes, what would you think if your
Speaker 8: children would have been executed in front of your eyes?
Speaker 8: Would you expect your government to think about those Nazis
Speaker 8: committing those crimes and to say, wait a second, First
Speaker 8: of all, we need to protect the enemy, and then
Speaker 8: to protect my children. Your children come as priority to
Speaker 8: your prime minister. So do you know that we have
Speaker 8: been showing images this morning that illustrate that there is
Speaker 8: a humanity sharing crisis and council So blame Tramas and
Speaker 8: ask Tramas why they've started those atrocities. Acknowledge that there
Speaker 8: is a humanitarian crisis. I'm saying there is no Israeli
Speaker 8: is working.
Speaker 4: So what do you think is happening?
Speaker 8: What is happening? There is a war in Gaza, a
Speaker 8: war that Tramas started by committing a horrible massacre on
Speaker 8: innocent Israelis. The world have seen that civilians just don't
Speaker 8: want to say and give a little bit of a context.
Speaker 8: Those people created crimes that are worse than Isis. When
Speaker 8: the Americans started this fight of Isis together with the
Speaker 8: coalition forces, over one hundred thousand civilians got caught in
Speaker 8: a crossfire. Israel is trying to prevent that. Israel is
Speaker 8: better than any other army in the world. We are alerting,
Speaker 8: We're giving them the opportunity to have a shelter. We're
Speaker 8: doing things that no other Western army did in the past.
Speaker 1: There is no humanitarian crisis this in uh you know
Speaker 1: in Gaza where there is like literally no water left.
Speaker 1: The hospital workers are being forced to drink IV bags
Speaker 1: because of the limited.
Speaker 2: Waters that they They really do themselves no favor in
Speaker 2: these interviews.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, denying reality that's unfolding in front of all of
Speaker 1: our eyes.
Speaker 2: The thing is that she actually let slip to what
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say. It's a defensible position, but from
Speaker 2: their perspective, I get it. They're like, listen, we're targeting Hamas.
Speaker 2: Hamas is the one who's responsible for Gaza. They're the
Speaker 2: ones who are, you know, should be administering this. They're
Speaker 2: the ones who are holding civilians and telling them not
Speaker 2: to leave their houses. They're the governing authority. We are
Speaker 2: striking them. We're doing quote unquote our best. I'm not
Speaker 2: defending them, but you know that's actually real. That's really
Speaker 2: the only quasi defensible and like honest position from them
Speaker 2: is they're like, yes, we are bombing Hamas as a
Speaker 2: response to this terrorist attack.
Speaker 3: It's their fault that they attacked us.
Speaker 2: We're trying our best, you know, within whatever to try
Speaker 2: to make sure that we protect some sort of civilian life.
Speaker 2: We don't intentionally target them. However, collateral damage does happened
Speaker 2: in war. I just gave you an honest answer. But
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't understand why they can't even say that.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, it's not happening at.
Speaker 1: All, because they certainly can't say that with a straight
Speaker 1: face given the fact that they shut off water, food, fuel,
Speaker 1: electricity to the entire enclave.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: So when you do that, like it's no longer we
Speaker 1: can no longer get into these little like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's human shields and we're doing our best and we
Speaker 1: warn them in advance. It's like, even though a bunch
Speaker 1: of that is just pr and bullshit, and they've dropped
Speaker 1: more bombs on Gaza than we drop in Afghanistan, all
Speaker 1: of that there, you might be able to have a
Speaker 1: little exchange and have something to work with, But it's
Speaker 1: clear there's collective punishment here, I mean literal like it's undeniable.
Speaker 1: So she's left with the only thing she can say
Speaker 1: is just to pretend like it's not happening. Now, there's
Speaker 1: no humanitarian crisis, and if there was, it's all Hamas's fault. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: Hamas bears a lot of the blame, do not. No
Speaker 1: one is denying that. But her logic is effectively the
Speaker 1: same as those Harvard students who were saying Israel is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent to blame for the Hamas attacks on
Speaker 1: Israeli civilians, where you're denying any sort of agency to
Speaker 1: the murderous terrorists who actually like paraglided into a music
Speaker 1: festival and massacred people. In that same respect, she's trying
Speaker 1: to deny any agency of her own government and the
Speaker 1: approach that they've taken, including this complete siege situation, including
Speaker 1: the indiscriminate bombing, including the force evacuation over a million
Speaker 1: people like you have no agency in that. That's not
Speaker 1: your responsibility whatsoever. And if that's the case, then that's
Speaker 1: just means that they have intellectually embraced this idea of
Speaker 1: complete carte blanche and anything we do is justified because
Speaker 1: ultimately it's all the fault of from us. That is
Speaker 1: not I mean, that is not They like to talk
Speaker 1: about the difference between the civilized world and these barbarous
Speaker 1: acts and barbarians, et cetera. I mean that is not
Speaker 1: the act of a civilized nation to completely absolve themselves
Speaker 1: of any responsibility for the civilians who are there on
Speaker 1: the ground, and many of home are children.
Speaker 2: I think that they should be honest and that they
Speaker 2: would actually be better off about it there. I just
Speaker 2: saw a report their fears, how the country, how they're feeling.
Speaker 2: They say that this view in the whole the foundation
Speaker 2: of the state of Israel is never again. The brutal killings,
Speaker 2: you know, all harkened back to the War of Independence
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 3: This is a complete existential threat.
Speaker 2: We fight whenever it's an existential threat, the way that
Speaker 2: the Western Allied powers fought in World War Two against
Speaker 2: Nazism and against the Japanese Empire, which is, we do
Speaker 2: whatever it takes in order to win. Just say it then,
Speaker 2: you know, because the problem, and this is always a
Speaker 2: thing with Israel, is they're always trying to flirt between
Speaker 2: you know, like complying with international law, for example, like
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. Everybody knows these people have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: They don't acknowledge it because then they don't have to
Speaker 2: declare it to the Nuclear NPT, the IAEA and all
Speaker 2: the other things that every other declared nuclear power wants
Speaker 2: to do. And yet it's one of those unspoken truths.
Speaker 2: If they truly believe that that's how they want to operate,
Speaker 2: then that's what they should do. The problem is that
Speaker 2: they are not alone. There have of this giant thing
Speaker 2: that is backing them, effectively guaranteeing their security the United States,
Speaker 2: and that would put us in a very awkward position
Speaker 2: if that's what happened, And so it just seems untenable.
Speaker 2: Where everything is fake in terms of words, we all
Speaker 2: know what the truth is, and even the people who
Speaker 2: defend Israel, like the people who are Israel defenders, they
Speaker 2: would all say what I just said, And I find
Speaker 2: by the way, I think what I said is a
Speaker 2: defensible position from their point of view. I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: agree with it, but I think it is defensible. You're like,
Speaker 2: we're fighting for our lives, We're doing our best, but
Speaker 2: it is what it is. That's war.
Speaker 3: Deal with it.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the position of their government is not to acknowledge
Speaker 2: that reality, which leads to like a two speak double
Speaker 2: face in interviews and situations like that, where everyone is
Speaker 2: talking past each other and and not just fully being
Speaker 2: honest about what's happening on the ground.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that is right.
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously, as we said before, the
Speaker 1: fact that there seems to be no plan for what
Speaker 1: comes after I think really under scores the nature of
Speaker 1: this is just, you know, the definition of reactionary responding
Speaker 1: to the domestic reaction, who desperately trying to cling to
Speaker 1: his job. I mean, this was what immediately when we
Speaker 1: saw them Las attacks, we knew Nan Yaho is going
Speaker 1: to have to just like come in in the most
Speaker 1: brutal possible way. And that's the way he reads the
Speaker 1: situation as well, So in some ways a little bit
Speaker 1: of a hard turn, but it actually connects because Biden's
Speaker 1: headed the going to lease, headed to Israel. You know,
Speaker 1: his age and how he'll be able to comport himself
Speaker 1: with a level of vigor and vitality certainly very relevant
Speaker 1: to the whole conversation. And we're really lucky to have
Speaker 1: new results from our focus group that was down in
Speaker 1: Georgia with a bunch of Democratic base voters, and so
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you what they had to say
Speaker 1: about his age and how they feel about him.
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Speaker 10: Joy Biden.
Speaker 11: When I think to jow Bio on me, he's experienced.
Speaker 11: Is he the best candidate to represent the Democratic Party,
Speaker 11: that's kind of questionable for me.
Speaker 12: Still competent, not outstanding, sufficiently capable and knowledgeable about how
Speaker 12: the political system works.
Speaker 13: For the Democrats, he's a safe pick, and I like
Speaker 13: that he's always willing to take the smart the best
Speaker 13: opinion in the room, even if it's not so.
Speaker 14: I think he's a fair president. I think he's loyal,
Speaker 14: and I think he's caring and compassionate.
Speaker 15: Not a knee jerk politician, and no ego.
Speaker 10: He is a huge step from what we have. Some
Speaker 10: of you are super enthusiastic. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 15: I agree with all of those.
Speaker 16: I think he's safe, but I don't think he's outstanding.
Speaker 15: I agree with wherever said safe.
Speaker 11: I mean, he's he's the faith in the sense of
Speaker 11: democratic party, right, So thank god, he's not the only
Speaker 11: Democratic representative, you know, so we have our Congressmans and
Speaker 11: our senators and everything else.
Speaker 10: So well, I want to know why? Why? Thank god?
Speaker 10: Why is that why? You please? He's not the only one.
Speaker 10: I mean, what worries you?
Speaker 15: What worries me?
Speaker 11: I think it's statements that he made years ago.
Speaker 10: What kind of thing you're gonna make me say?
Speaker 11: I know that he said some things in regards to
Speaker 11: you know, just African Americans, you know, in the US
Speaker 11: at that time, so that always, you know, just maybe
Speaker 11: you know, question him as a person in a sense.
Speaker 12: Even though I think he's a wonderful human being and
Speaker 12: he's done great stuff. I think he needs to step
Speaker 12: aside because his age does.
Speaker 15: Concern Yeah, his age concerns me. And I hate to
Speaker 15: say that, but.
Speaker 14: I think sometimes getting a little older, it's time to
Speaker 14: step aside and let somebody with younger come in. And
Speaker 14: maybe he's a little softer because I think that you get.
Speaker 3: Old and you get a little softer.
Speaker 14: So he's yeah, and not taking him seriously because of that.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not doing this by himself. No, he
Speaker 3: got a whole lot of people helping him.
Speaker 14: So I think long as he got good bag up,
Speaker 14: he gonna be a great president.
Speaker 9: Is Jay Biden too old to run again? Or is
Speaker 9: Jay Biden the right age? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 15: It's fine for him to run again.
Speaker 11: I don't think age should be, you know, the determined
Speaker 11: back up for him to run or not to.
Speaker 12: Him, I would prefer that he not run again, not
Speaker 12: because I think he's incompetent, but when you get to
Speaker 12: be eighty, you don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 12: your health. You know, you could have a stroke, something
Speaker 12: else like that could happen. My concern is primarily physical
Speaker 12: health and less mental health and competence.
Speaker 13: I don't think it really matters. As long as he
Speaker 13: wants to run, he's going to be the favorite for president.
Speaker 17: He's too old.
Speaker 10: He should go sit down somewhere, gonna tous.
Speaker 17: I think at this point you're kind of out of touch,
Speaker 17: you know, people getting my age. We're thinking about, you know,
Speaker 17: sitting down, playing with our grandkids, things like that. There's
Speaker 17: some things that need to happen that you don't have
Speaker 17: the ability to do. Let some of these young bright
Speaker 17: stars that we see day after day in Congress do
Speaker 17: what they do. And while I'm thinking about it, there
Speaker 17: should be term limits immediately for everybody, so that we
Speaker 17: don't have people sitting in Congress for forty years grabbing
Speaker 17: a paycheck on a gravy chart.
Speaker 14: He can run again, But why when you get to
Speaker 14: a certain age getting dementia, you can get a all time.
Speaker 14: It's just things that's out there can affect you being
Speaker 14: making your decisions. And do you really want somebody in
Speaker 14: office where sometimes they don't believe that they have those problems,
Speaker 14: and you might not even see that they have those
Speaker 14: problems until they have what a debate and he can't
Speaker 14: catch his words or he can't remember, I just feel
Speaker 14: like they look at that as a sign of weakness.
Speaker 14: Maybe it's time for him to step down.
Speaker 16: It doesn't matter to me right now now, because I
Speaker 16: put you know, he doesn't have limited mental capabilities.
Speaker 15: He has not shown that yet.
Speaker 16: That would be absolutely horrible if he was in office
Speaker 16: and did.
Speaker 15: But right now it doesn't bother.
Speaker 10: So come the next selection, he'll be eighty two.
Speaker 9: If he completes his second term, he'll be eighty six
Speaker 9: in his last year.
Speaker 10: How do we react to that?
Speaker 12: Well, I know some very competent eighty eight year old.
Speaker 12: My mother's ninety four and she's sharp as attack. You
Speaker 12: just never know.
Speaker 13: I think nobody knows his health and his desire to
Speaker 13: work for more years than Joe Biden does. And I
Speaker 13: think if he didn't think he had the ability to
Speaker 13: do it for four more.
Speaker 15: Years, he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 13: And so I feel like him wanting to run is
Speaker 13: a sign that he's helping enough to run.
Speaker 10: Should someone challenge Biden for the nomination to.
Speaker 15: Make it their yes, to make it fair.
Speaker 12: Yes, I wish that Biden would just anoint the successor.
Speaker 12: That doesn't have to be a challenge.
Speaker 13: I think that's a bad signal weakns of the weakness
Speaker 13: of the Democratic Party, and it could cause of the vibe.
Speaker 13: I think at an advantage you have when you are
Speaker 13: the return candidate is you don't have to have a
Speaker 13: primary where the six or ten candidates will tear each
Speaker 13: other down and then have to pretend that they wanted
Speaker 13: each other.
Speaker 17: I think it'll be an invitation for the Republican Party
Speaker 17: to pounce and try to divide us more.
Speaker 10: And that's despite you saying Biden to young have a
Speaker 10: lie down.
Speaker 17: Well, yeah he does.
Speaker 5: He's too old.
Speaker 17: But yeah, I don't want anybody to challenge him because
Speaker 17: of that reason.
Speaker 5: So he's the president.
Speaker 17: He's going to be the president until he can't be
Speaker 17: the president anymore, and that's at the end of his
Speaker 17: second term.
Speaker 9: It's not inviting point. It's more important to you than
Speaker 9: the Yeah, it's more important.
Speaker 14: Okay, So if he ran again, and I would vote
Speaker 14: for him because I don't know anybody else that I
Speaker 14: would think can challenge him and would win.
Speaker 15: I'm scared about dividing the Democratic Party as well.
Speaker 10: It'd be nice to have another option, But it ain't true.
Speaker 5: I like where he's at and like where we're at.
Speaker 5: I mean there's a lot to gamble on.
Speaker 15: Man.
Speaker 4: Very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 1: So a lot of concern about age, a lot of like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we see him polls all
Speaker 1: the time. Right, he's safe, he's not outstanding, he seems nice.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's kind of competent.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 4: It's this very sort of like warm affection towards him
Speaker 4: as a human being.
Speaker 1: I think you get in this group a lot of
Speaker 1: worries about whether he's going to be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: really finish out the term, his health, his age. He
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's super outstanding. Republicans could seize on
Speaker 1: this as a sign of weakness. But then when the
Speaker 1: question is okay, so you want somebody to childs him,
Speaker 1: they're like, eh, I can't divide the party.
Speaker 2: You gotta beat Trump.
Speaker 1: And so ultimately it's like Trump hangs over this whole
Speaker 1: conversation and really shapes the views and they continue to have,
Speaker 1: you know, the view and the belief, which is what
Speaker 1: a lot of the media promoted, especially in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: that like, you can't have dissent.
Speaker 4: Every's got to be united. This is the guy. You
Speaker 4: got to stick by the guy.
Speaker 1: No matter what because you know, Trump is at the door,
Speaker 1: and we can't not possibly allow any sort of you know,
Speaker 1: open process, because that could that could allow Trump to
Speaker 1: get us foot in the door.
Speaker 4: Of course, you know what goes on.
Speaker 1: Here's the fact that Democrats are a major risk of
Speaker 1: losing the presidency with Joe Biden because he's viewed so
Speaker 1: poorly among the American public.
Speaker 2: It struck me a couple of things. Their level of
Speaker 2: trust in politicians is fascinating to me. That one guy,
Speaker 2: I'm effectually going to call him Ryan Reynolds because he
Speaker 2: looks like he was like, well, I think that nobody
Speaker 2: knows him better than him, and if he didn't think
Speaker 2: he was up to it, then he wouldn't run. And
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I can't really imagine trusting any
Speaker 2: politician you know that much. That said, it does reflect
Speaker 2: a lot of institutionalism, trust in their ability to govern.
Speaker 2: You also heard over and over again the competence, and
Speaker 2: I think it does actually accurately reflect the polling. They
Speaker 2: all think he's too old, or they're like yeah, or
Speaker 2: they're uncomfortable with it. When it comes down to it,
Speaker 2: they're going to vote for him. So Biden in many
Speaker 2: respects is making the correct calculus. And also, you know
Speaker 2: the real failure too is I didn't like that one
Speaker 2: word the woman said, anoint the successor. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 2: live in a monarch. That's just the personal quibble.
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's what has been sold to
Speaker 1: the democratic base from you know, MSBC and Santa and
Speaker 1: a lot of like liberal leaning mainstream outlets, is like,
Speaker 1: we can't afford to have democracy. Stakes are too high. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you can't have a choice. You gotta fall in line
Speaker 1: behind whoever we tell you. And so it doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me that those words are used of like.
Speaker 4: He needs to just anoint a successor.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them that would be their
Speaker 1: ideal scenario because you had, you know, you had the
Speaker 1: one gentleman who said it's time to step aside, another
Speaker 1: one who said he's too old, he should go and
Speaker 1: sit down somewhere. But then when asked about like, okay,
Speaker 1: do you want to see a challenger, is like, no,
Speaker 1: we can't have that. So I think for a lot
Speaker 1: of them, their ideal scenario would be that he decides
Speaker 1: to step aside, and then you know, puts forward who
Speaker 1: he thinks would be the right candidate in the one
Speaker 1: lady's words anoints his successor. But I think that would
Speaker 1: be the ideal scenario for a number of them because
Speaker 1: they are so concerned about Trump getting back into the
Speaker 1: White House that they're basically willing to curtail this like
Speaker 1: messy democratic process because they believe that will help ensure
Speaker 1: that a Democrat can hold onto the White House. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that that is a historical I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's accurate.
Speaker 4: I think Biden does himself no.
Speaker 1: Favors by not engaging in the rough and tumble of
Speaker 1: a primary and a debate. I think that would help
Speaker 1: sharpen his skills. I think that would potentially prove the
Speaker 1: American people that this is someone that they want to
Speaker 1: see as a leader, or it won't and we'll end
Speaker 1: up with another option that people view as superior and
Speaker 1: more up to the task. We've seen plenty of twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen was a very rough and tumble primary on the
Speaker 1: Republican side with Trump.
Speaker 4: Guess what he ended up winning.
Speaker 1: The Hillary Clinton Barack Obama primary was very rough and tumble.
Speaker 1: It didn't lead to Barack Obama losing. It actually made
Speaker 1: him a better candidate. And made it so that Democrats
Speaker 1: were much more likely to succeed in the fall. So
Speaker 1: I think that's a historical but understand why they believe
Speaker 1: that's the case and feel like it's too risky to
Speaker 1: allow any of this messy democratic choice into the equation.
Speaker 2: I have some numbers for the group. Let's put this
Speaker 2: up on the screen. I know there's a lot going
Speaker 2: on right now, but the latest ABC News survey, here's
Speaker 2: what we have, President Biden, issue by issue, twenty six
Speaker 2: percent approval on immigration minus forty four net approval rating
Speaker 2: twenty nine percent, approval on inflation minus forty, thirty two percent,
Speaker 2: approval on guns minus thirty three, thirty three percent, approval
Speaker 2: on crime minus thirty one, thirty three percent, approval on
Speaker 2: Iran minus twenty nine, thirty three, six percent, approval on
Speaker 2: economy minus twenty five, thirty nine percent, approval on climate
Speaker 2: change minus eighteen, thirty nine percent, approval on abortion minus nineteen,
Speaker 2: forty one percent, approval on Ukraine minus fifteen and forty
Speaker 2: one percent approval on Israel hamas so underwater basically on every.
Speaker 4: Not basically issue, literally on.
Speaker 3: Evil physic in case they didn't pull something, I don't
Speaker 3: know what exactly would be.
Speaker 2: Positive on, but for everyone that they asked about, hees
Speaker 2: out a minus. You know, historically, something Jank has been
Speaker 2: talking about in terms of his quixotic run. He's like, look,
Speaker 2: you know, nobody has ever won with these types of numbers.
Speaker 2: He is full blown Jimmy Carter level now in the
Speaker 2: thirties on the economy when you're running for reelection.
Speaker 3: Good luck to you, sir, but luck.
Speaker 1: But the best thing he's got going full trump is
Speaker 1: Donald J.
Speaker 4: Trump.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that he has going for him.
Speaker 1: And you know, it could work out. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to put off the table, but I would not
Speaker 1: go so far as to say, like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a dead.
Speaker 4: Man wire, there's no way he can win reelection, etc.
Speaker 14: Sorre.
Speaker 4: You have a huge advantage if you're an incumbent president.
Speaker 1: He's going up against an opponent who is also historically
Speaker 1: unpopular and underwater on many many issues and facing criminal
Speaker 1: charges and all of those sorts of things. So that's
Speaker 1: really that's really what he's betting on, is that the
Speaker 1: American people are more disgusted with Donald Trump than they
Speaker 1: are with him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's why it's fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: chance still believe it.
Speaker 3: Let's move onto the speakership.
Speaker 2: Also reflects a lot of domestic consternation here in Washington.
Speaker 3: Extraordinary day.
Speaker 2: There will be a vote for the speaker later today
Speaker 2: on Tuesday counterpoints. We'll be able to break down all
Speaker 2: the actual results of that. The drama is very high
Speaker 2: here in Washington. Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: Recall Jim Jordan, the current speaker designate in terms of
Speaker 2: the Republican Coalition, who is still yet to get all
Speaker 2: of the House of Representatives to vote for him. Is
Speaker 2: currently has the quote majority of the votes in the Conference,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean anything. He needs to lock down
Speaker 2: all but five votes in the Republican Conference. Opposition, though
Speaker 2: to Jim Jordan, stood in the thirties and forties as
Speaker 2: of yesterday, until extraordinary things began to happen, Members like
Speaker 2: Mike Rogers and others who had put out an wagner.
Speaker 2: In particular, one representative who put out a letter saying
Speaker 2: hell no, literally hell no, I will never vote for
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan came out and we're like, all right, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll vote for j Jordan. And it's like Okay, why
Speaker 2: did you say Hell, no one in the first place, Lady,
Speaker 2: nobody asked you to do that. What's really come through
Speaker 2: is they're sick of it. They feel like they've gone
Speaker 2: grone down. At this point, Steve Scalise had to withdraw
Speaker 2: the McCarthy drama.
Speaker 3: They can't do anything.
Speaker 2: They basically just feel like, rhetorically, as long as Jordan
Speaker 2: gives them, you know, something that they can hang their
Speaker 2: hat on, they can vote for him. One area of
Speaker 2: concern for us here on this show is about an
Speaker 2: alleged secret deal that's been made. Let's put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is from Julie Grace Buffby,
Speaker 2: a old friend of mine. She says that GOP lawmakers
Speaker 2: say that Jordan gave assurances on Israel Ukraine aid specifically
Speaker 2: that he would allow the tying of the two together.
Speaker 2: He was asked about this with Morning Crystal. He made
Speaker 2: a comment where he didn't outright deny it. He just said, quote,
Speaker 2: let's see, he just said, we need to take care
Speaker 2: of Israel. That's basically what it boils down to. What
Speaker 2: exactly that means. Nobody has any idea. The point is
Speaker 2: is that a lot of deals are being made behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. Nothing is in writing. Four people are claiming
Speaker 2: he made the deal. His spokespeople are denying it. They say, no,
Speaker 2: we just talked about the prospect of getting Israel AID through.
Speaker 2: But none of this does mean that he actually still
Speaker 2: has the votes. As of right now when we are
Speaker 2: filming this segment, he has ten votes against him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's got to win back five.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's possible.
Speaker 2: He certainly could do it, and he's got you know,
Speaker 2: about six seven hours from when we're speaking right now
Speaker 2: in order to do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this Israel Ukraine AID
Speaker 1: thing is solid. I feel like he may have told
Speaker 1: people what they wanted to hear, but without like fully
Speaker 1: saying or committed committing to it.
Speaker 4: How seriously do they take that?
Speaker 1: I think you're right soager that many people are just
Speaker 1: finding trying to find a way to get to yes.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, like, for the Matt Gates of
Speaker 1: the world, if this deal is real and there really
Speaker 1: is some you know, commitment to put Israel and Ukraine
Speaker 1: AID together on the floor, like, what was this all about.
Speaker 4: Matt Gates? What do you get actually getting out of
Speaker 4: this situation.
Speaker 1: But in terms of who who this is, per Anny
Speaker 1: Gray or CNN. Right now, we've got five firm nos,
Speaker 1: Don Bacon, Mike Lawler, Mike Kelly, Carlos Menez, Mario Diaz,
Speaker 1: Billart Leaning, No, We've got an additional four, and then
Speaker 1: we've got four more who are undecided or not saying. So,
Speaker 1: you know, based on that, he does not have the
Speaker 1: votes to get there on the first runch. What happens
Speaker 1: after that? What kind of deals are cut? Do people
Speaker 1: stay with him? Does another cannon emerge? Who knows? I
Speaker 1: mean on a meta level, like I sort of feel
Speaker 1: like Jim Jordan makes perfect sense for this Republican caucus
Speaker 1: at this time. I agree, because he has never passed
Speaker 1: any legislation since he's been there, and this is a
Speaker 1: caucus that, you know, not particularly interested in government.
Speaker 2: Who cares.
Speaker 1: He's got the right vibes this, Like, you know, Hugilistic
Speaker 1: has tied himself very closely to Trump and gone along,
Speaker 1: you know, Trump's greatest defender with regard to stop the
Speaker 1: steal and with regard to January. So he was all
Speaker 1: in on that, and that is certainly the character overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: of the Republican Caucus at this point. He is a
Speaker 1: veteran of the you know, using shutdowns as blackmail and
Speaker 1: hostage taking to extract various ideological ends from the United
Speaker 1: States government.
Speaker 4: So and I also would say, you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's another piece of this I've been trying to articulate,
Speaker 1: like he also is a perfect embodiment of the distance
Speaker 1: between the original twenty sixteen Trump promise of like I'm
Speaker 1: going to govern differently and there are these populist elements
Speaker 1: that I'm genuinely going to embody in office and what
Speaker 1: it is now collapse to, which is mostly just like
Speaker 1: the you know, an asshole vibes. And Jim Jordan this
Speaker 1: is a guy who takes lots of money from like
Speaker 1: the big Republican you know, donor networks, the Coke Network,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 4: He talks a big talk on big tech, but.
Speaker 1: He's one of their biggest defenders when it comes to
Speaker 1: avoiding any sort of anti trust scourtiny, et cetera.
Speaker 4: So for all those reasons.
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like he's the perfect guy to
Speaker 1: represent the Republican Caucus at this point.
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan is basically a libertarian. That's the best way
Speaker 2: to understand it. He has his roots and we want
Speaker 2: to talk about this. Yeah, let's put this on the
Speaker 2: screen just for people who want to know about what
Speaker 2: to actually know about Jim Jordan in case you don't
Speaker 2: know who he is. He's been a fixture of Washington
Speaker 2: since he came here, especially a heightened during the Tea
Speaker 2: Party wave. He was one of the original people who
Speaker 2: would vote against Bayner. He was a thorn in the
Speaker 2: side of Paul Ryan, frequently wanted to shut down the government.
Speaker 2: He also, though with the really way he became a
Speaker 2: star was not on fiscal issues, Crystal, but it's through
Speaker 2: his investigations. So like Benghazi Committee, frequently appearing on Fox,
Speaker 2: always wanting to investigate Hillary. He was one of the
Speaker 2: main people behind a lot of Hillary investigations. He was
Speaker 2: one of the main defenders of Trump on Russiagate. Since then,
Speaker 2: he's become one of the main investigators on the Hunter
Speaker 2: Biden Committee.
Speaker 3: So he is the perfect person because.
Speaker 2: For me, and I mean people can go roll to
Speaker 2: take the Dave McCarthy left, I was like, I think
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, I think he's a dark horse. And the
Speaker 2: reason why is, you know, he's got the credibility with
Speaker 2: the Freedom Caucus base. They also have been ground down
Speaker 2: all of their opponents and the quote unquote moderates because
Speaker 2: they're sick of it. They just want to get to work.
Speaker 2: The Freedom Caucus is happy to hold out as long
Speaker 2: as they want to go.
Speaker 4: Definitionally a bunch of species. They don't stand up for anything, the.
Speaker 2: Don't believe what so Jim Jordan, Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: think he's the perfect candidate really for this caucus. Also,
Speaker 2: he's got the backing of Trump, so he's got person
Speaker 2: with the base on his side. He's got the full
Speaker 2: scale Trump endorsement now at this point, although do remember
Speaker 2: that they initially voted for Steve Scalice, which was still
Speaker 2: pretty embarrassing for Trump, even if he does end up
Speaker 2: getting there. It's like, it's pretty it's pretty bad that
Speaker 2: the majority of the caucus was not willing to follow
Speaker 2: your rules. But you know, Trump, the Trump endorsement I
Speaker 2: can't hurt at this point. Also, what I have heard,
Speaker 2: Crystal is that there is now going to mount a
Speaker 2: campaign against people who do stand up against him. One
Speaker 2: of the few holdouts in terms of primary money. Calls
Speaker 2: are being made. They're like, we need to wrap this up.
Speaker 2: And if you stand up and you vote against Jim somebody,
Speaker 2: like if you know, mount some if you mount some
Speaker 2: Nancy Mace type thing against him, You're going to pay
Speaker 2: a price. And the reason why I think that's significant
Speaker 2: is because Jordan has the affection of the bass in
Speaker 2: a way that McCarthy never had. They always had like
Speaker 2: a very middling view of him, And same with Scalise.
Speaker 2: To be honest, like he has been a fixture of
Speaker 2: these people's televisions for over a decade. You can't underestimate
Speaker 2: how powerful that is.
Speaker 1: He has understood from the beginning the power of theater.
Speaker 1: He's very good at it, you know, the like theatrical
Speaker 1: partisan posturing favorite of Fox News, as evidenced by this,
Speaker 1: actually really is something. So one of the people who
Speaker 1: apparently has been trying to whip votes in his direction
Speaker 1: is John Hannity.
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: Apparently emails went out to some holdowns, at least one
Speaker 1: from a producer at the Hannity Show.
Speaker 4: Let me read you this whole thing in full.
Speaker 1: Hello Stephanie from the Hannity Show with Fox News your horses,
Speaker 1: tell Hannity that representative redacted is not supporting Jim Jordan
Speaker 1: for Speaker. Can you please let me know if this
Speaker 1: is accurate and if true, Hannity would like to know
Speaker 1: why during a war breaking out between Israel and hamas
Speaker 1: with the war in Ukraine, with the wide open borders,
Speaker 1: with a budget that's unfit finished, why would this representative
Speaker 1: be against Jim Jordan for Speaker.
Speaker 4: Please let us.
Speaker 1: Know when Representative Ax plans on opening the People's House
Speaker 1: so work can be done. Lastly, there are there any
Speaker 1: conditions Representative Acts will choose to work with Democrats on
Speaker 1: the process of electing a new speaker. The deadline for
Speaker 1: comment is eleven am Eastern tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Thank you. So pressure being applied.
Speaker 1: Directly from Sean Hannity and his producer over at the
Speaker 1: Fox News network. And you know, I mean they have
Speaker 1: some sway too. Fox News is not what they used
Speaker 1: to be, but a lot of these low level members
Speaker 1: of Congress whatever like they're desperate to get their cable
Speaker 1: news hits. It's important for them for their clout, for
Speaker 1: their fundraising.
Speaker 4: Et cetera. And so when you have one of the.
Speaker 1: Highest rated primetime hosts coming for you and implying all
Speaker 1: kinds of pressure demanding answers on why you're not supporting
Speaker 1: Jim Jordan for speaker.
Speaker 4: That's really something.
Speaker 2: Yep, you're exactly right. It is absolutely shocking, really see that,
Speaker 2: but not still telling I think in terms of how
Speaker 2: the base is now, in terms of expectations, Let's be clear,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to win. I have
Speaker 2: absolutely zero idea whether he'll be able to get the
Speaker 2: votes because the margin is so so thin you only
Speaker 2: need five people to hold out. Democrats certainly aren't going
Speaker 2: to save Jim Jordan. They can't stand him. So where
Speaker 2: things are, I don't know. It could go to multiple
Speaker 2: ballots like they did with Speaker McCarthy. This will be
Speaker 2: the seventeenth speaker vote on the floor of the House
Speaker 2: of Representatives, which is pretty crazy. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 2: hasn't happened in more than a century here in Washington.
Speaker 2: So stay tuned. Counterpoints will have a full coverage on.
Speaker 3: What about O Way.
Speaker 4: I'm actually filling in for Ryan tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about that. Yeah, okay, me.
Speaker 4: And I'm Luis. We'll break it all down for you.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: We're following a very all right, So we wanted to
Speaker 1: keep our eye on some of the state and big
Speaker 1: tech efforts to censor dissident views on Israel and Palestine, and.
Speaker 4: An important report about.
Speaker 1: What meta slash Facebook, slash Instagram, slash WhatsApp is doing
Speaker 1: in this regard.
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. This from the New
Speaker 4: York Times.
Speaker 1: They say social media users accuse Facebook and Instagram of
Speaker 1: suppressing pro Palestinian post Thousands Ofstinian supporters say their posts
Speaker 1: have been suppressed or removed from Facebook and Instagram, even
Speaker 1: if the messages don't break the platform's rules meta They
Speaker 1: are claiming, oh that this was all because of some
Speaker 1: accidental bug in the company system, In particular messages of
Speaker 1: support for Palestinian civilians who have been displaced, injured, or
Speaker 1: killed by Israeli airstrikes. Those were being hidden from the platforms,
Speaker 1: according to users. Some people have reported Facebook suppressed accounts
Speaker 1: that called for peaceful protests and cities around the US,
Speaker 1: including planned sit ins in the San Francisco Bay area
Speaker 1: over the weekend, and The New York Times confirmed that
Speaker 1: one hashtag Zionist Stagram, which was attached to post critical
Speaker 1: of instagram suppression of pro Palestinian content, appeared to be
Speaker 1: temporarily quashed over the weekend, so when you search for
Speaker 1: that hashtag, according to the Times, no results were returned whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Users were so frustrated by this that they took to
Speaker 1: like replying in the comment section of like Beyonce posts
Speaker 1: about this going back and forth because their posts that
Speaker 1: they were trying to put on the platform were getting
Speaker 1: quashed and pulled down and suppressed, et cetera. So you
Speaker 1: couple this with the report we brought you yesterday about
Speaker 1: the fact that Meta you know who who's worked with
Speaker 1: the Israeli government in the past, took down a Palestinian
Speaker 1: news network off of their platforms entirely. And I think
Speaker 1: it is not hard to believe that there has been
Speaker 1: significant suppression of any sort of pro Palaestinine post on
Speaker 1: the platform.
Speaker 2: And that's why, first of all, I mean, in some
Speaker 2: ways I wish we'd nuke all policy on Instagrams because
Speaker 2: it's so annoying. I don't believe that, I don't believe
Speaker 2: in that, So we're going to have to allow it.
Speaker 2: You know, even the brother in law's get comments on
Speaker 2: some of these things. And if we're going to have that,
Speaker 2: then you can't be put in your finger. You know
Speaker 2: on the scale in terms of in terms of sharing content.
Speaker 2: And the real issue I had with this was it
Speaker 2: wasn't people being like pro Hamas. It's just people who
Speaker 2: are pro Palestinian statehood, right, and so that is.
Speaker 4: There for peaceful protest.
Speaker 2: You cannot conflate the two. And also, we live in
Speaker 2: the United States of America. People are allowed to say
Speaker 2: whatever they want, or at least they should be. And
Speaker 2: so with this, you know, with the suppression, especially behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, it highlights the most pernicious form of censorship,
Speaker 2: which is the shadow banning, the suppression, the things where
Speaker 2: you have to rely on reports which are obvious but
Speaker 2: which cannot be proven. And look, we all know what's
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes. You and I see it
Speaker 2: every day here on YouTube. In terms of what we
Speaker 2: have to operate with. We've designed our business in such
Speaker 2: a way. But forordinary citizens, they have no idea and
Speaker 2: they just think like, oh, I guess that one didn't
Speaker 2: resonate or something like that, until a critical mass of
Speaker 2: them come together and they're like, no, actually, something actually
Speaker 2: super weird.
Speaker 5: Is going on here.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know, then you feel like a crazy person
Speaker 2: because you'll never be able to prove it.
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: And you know, just to make the broader meta point
Speaker 1: like zooming out from how you feel about this issue,
Speaker 1: which very emotional issue. Number one, free speech only matters
Speaker 1: when it is tense and when it is contract yeah's true.
Speaker 1: So that's number one. Number two, this is the reason why,
Speaker 1: wherever you are in the political spectrum, why you should
Speaker 1: care about these issues.
Speaker 4: I mean, you should care about the principle.
Speaker 1: Regardless, but you know, anytime you are challenging predominant you
Speaker 1: held by very powerful people, you are likely to have
Speaker 1: big tech companies. And also we covered overt state censorship
Speaker 1: like completely banning protests in France and Germany, which is
Speaker 1: absolutely insane, but you are, you know, very likely to
Speaker 1: see that. And if we don't take a stand against it,
Speaker 1: even when it's on an issue that you disagree with,
Speaker 1: if it ends up just being partisan and we're only
Speaker 1: picking and choosing which censorship we care about.
Speaker 4: We are never going to make any progress on this issue.
Speaker 1: So that's one piece there was we also wanted to
Speaker 1: bring you this was kind of extraordinary. So there were
Speaker 1: hundreds of American Jews who protested in front of the
Speaker 1: White House yesterday in favor of a ceasefire in Gaza,
Speaker 1: and fifty of them were arrested. Actually they were blocking
Speaker 1: some areas, is what the police were saying. We sent
Speaker 1: our own producer Mac down to this protest. He was
Speaker 1: able to get some footage. He also ended up being
Speaker 1: I don't know what is shoved by the police, kind of.
Speaker 2: Got shoved by proxy, treated badly by the police, treated
Speaker 2: service specifically.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, but let's take a look at He was
Speaker 1: able to interview one of the participants about why he's there.
Speaker 4: Let's take a look at that.
Speaker 18: He goes Elvis Rock and I'm a member of if
Speaker 18: not Now And so what motivated you guys to come
Speaker 18: out here today to do this protest? Speaking for myself,
Speaker 18: personally motivated me was a real feeling of urgency that
Speaker 18: given what's happening in the Middle East, that.
Speaker 2: There's a real need to.
Speaker 18: Prevent the mass killing in goz And and a real
Speaker 18: desire to see safety for Jews in Palsenians, the return
Speaker 18: of hostages being helped une from us.
Speaker 5: That's the most important thing.
Speaker 19: So what do you think that Israel's response after the
Speaker 19: Hamas attack should be in the best world?
Speaker 20: You know, I'm not here to speak on policy, but
Speaker 20: what I can say is that from a personal point
Speaker 20: of view, as someone who has friends and family living
Speaker 20: in Israel, I deeply want a future of Jewish safety,
Speaker 20: and I believe that demands peace and security with Palacinians,
Speaker 20: not for their bloodshed and planted botans. Is there any
Speaker 20: any other last message you'd like to give the President Biden?
Speaker 20: That the urgency of this movement is immense, that the
Speaker 20: stakes of this movement, as I am sure he's all knows,
Speaker 20: are enormous, and that as Jews and as Americans, for
Speaker 20: our shafety, we want to need to cease fire implemented
Speaker 20: right now, and that he ensures the shape for tournaments.
Speaker 1: Really so you can see the message that they're trying
Speaker 1: to bring there in front of the White House.
Speaker 4: Fairly significant show of support here in d C.
Speaker 1: Mac was also able to get some footage of the protesters,
Speaker 1: and he also was recording like a champ as he
Speaker 1: gets shoved by this cop out of the way.
Speaker 4: We have that on video. Let's take a look at this.
Speaker 21: See fire now fire now fire now fire now fire
Speaker 21: now fire now.
Speaker 2: That's what you call it, true pro somebody shoved into
Speaker 2: you aggressively for literally no reason. I mean, you don't
Speaker 2: say make a sound, you don't protest, you pick up
Speaker 2: the camera and you keep recording.
Speaker 3: So props to him. Really, that takes a lot of
Speaker 3: composure for anyone who's situation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's incredibly terrible. Yeah, incredibly intense and stressful, and
Speaker 1: you can just see it's very fraud I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's what really comes out here. And you know,
Speaker 1: as I said, there were about fifty protesters who were
Speaker 1: arrested as part of that action.
Speaker 4: Yesterday.
Speaker 1: We brought you some of the protests that have been
Speaker 1: mounted around the world in Europe, here in the US,
Speaker 1: and also of course across the Middle East, which I
Speaker 1: think is also a really significant part of this.
Speaker 2: I mean, for that protest and will look once again,
Speaker 2: like let's be clear, I'm not saying it reflects the
Speaker 2: majority of public opinion. It doesn't even necessarily reflect Jewish opinion.
Speaker 2: But the only point is to show you not everything
Speaker 2: is monolith. There are different voices out there, and there
Speaker 2: were a lot of people out there last night yesterday,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them were Jewish, and I think
Speaker 2: that was one of the main reasons why it was
Speaker 2: genuinely significant. That area that they were blocking is the
Speaker 2: staff and press entrance for people who work in the
Speaker 2: White House, and so you know, it definitely was.
Speaker 3: It was hurt I think by the people.
Speaker 2: There, and that's at least something, And it's different than
Speaker 2: a lot of what people are going to tell you
Speaker 2: about how people feel, which is why we wanted.
Speaker 18: To cover it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and mac is all he's.
Speaker 2: Good, by the way, We immediate for the first thing.
Speaker 2: We didn't care about the fog. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: like telling what's going on? Sentence that all right? Like
Speaker 2: in terms of that once again, absolute professional, Thank you
Speaker 2: guys for helping us pay him.
Speaker 1: By the way, yes, indeed, all right, we also had
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you this is really wild. The
Speaker 1: official israel government account, pushing back on Jiji Hadid for
Speaker 1: sharing a very mild post, by the way, that was
Speaker 1: somewhat critical of the Israeli government, got and put this
Speaker 1: up on the screen.
Speaker 4: This is pretty wild.
Speaker 1: So what she posted is there is nothing Jewish about
Speaker 1: the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians. Condemning the Israeli government
Speaker 1: is not antisemitic, and supporting Palestinians is not supporting Humas,
Speaker 1: So the State of Israel official Instagram account replied, Hi, Gigi,
Speaker 1: this next story is for you.
Speaker 4: Have you been sleeping the past week? Are you just.
Speaker 1: Fine turning a blind eye to Jewish babies being butchered
Speaker 1: in their homes? Your silence has been very clear about
Speaker 1: where you stand. We see you if you don't condemn this,
Speaker 1: and it's a horrific picture of you know, a blood
Speaker 1: splattered floor in a child's bedroom. This your words mean nothing.
Speaker 1: And by the way, she did very clearly condemn the
Speaker 1: Hamas attacks and you know, was outraged by it. But
Speaker 1: it is wild to see the government of Israel coming
Speaker 1: at Gadeed or any random celebrity.
Speaker 2: I don't care what said, all right, and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Why are we clapping back as a government account on Instagram?
Speaker 2: This is insanity. It's like why we're posting stories now?
Speaker 2: Like what is this makeup tutorial drama? I mean, like literally,
Speaker 2: this is how children act.
Speaker 4: On I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Because they don't want anyone with prominence to you know,
Speaker 1: paint a different picture than what they want painted. And
Speaker 1: you know, it really is emotional blackmail. I mean, one
Speaker 1: atrocity does not justify another. And that's the bottom line here.
Speaker 1: So she could condemn Hamas all day long, but if
Speaker 1: she says anything about hey, Palestinian civilians, then suddenly, oh,
Speaker 1: you're a terror sympathizer and you don't care about the
Speaker 1: dad jois face a social blackmail.
Speaker 2: It appears to be now a policy by the Israeli
Speaker 2: government one. By the way, I would certainly advise against
Speaker 2: where they are sending government ministers to call out celebrities
Speaker 2: for their silence.
Speaker 22: Let's take a listen and hug and all these women
Speaker 22: organizations that are staying silent right now.
Speaker 23: By the way, I've never saw.
Speaker 22: So many feminists being silent at the same time. The
Speaker 22: only time they are so silent is when a Jewish
Speaker 22: woman or Israeli woman is being raped or murdered. But
Speaker 22: I guess antisemitism is much more hard than feminism in
Speaker 22: this time.
Speaker 23: But those celebrities like I saw Oprah Winfrey for for
Speaker 23: formatters that sat Jennifer anistone, all these, all these celebrities
Speaker 23: that stay silent and always talk about women's rights, where
Speaker 23: are you when women's rights are being brutally, brutally, brutally
Speaker 23: attacked in a democracy? This is not just a fight
Speaker 23: for Israel. This is a fight for the rest.
Speaker 22: Of the Jewish around question, may let me ask your question.
Speaker 5: Let me ask your question.
Speaker 3: So that is May Golan.
Speaker 2: She's the Minister for the Advancement of the Status of
Speaker 2: Women in Israel. Okay, commender. I guess for her job.
Speaker 2: But why Here's the thing, at least I guess in
Speaker 2: the g GI case she said something and then criticizing it.
Speaker 2: This one is you have not posted anything. Why is
Speaker 2: a foreign government demanding Oprah speak out?
Speaker 3: And Jennifer and Jennifer Hanerson.
Speaker 2: Also considering Oprah's response to Maui, you don't want Oprah
Speaker 2: to be on her side?
Speaker 3: Let me just say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennifer gives a.
Speaker 3: Ship with Jeffer answer to that.
Speaker 1: Who hasn't said you want them to say? It's like
Speaker 1: Michael Tracy.
Speaker 4: I have to quote him.
Speaker 1: He said, Israeli government minister bitterly attacks feminist organizations and
Speaker 1: celebrities like Oprah and Jennifer Aniston for their silence on muss.
Speaker 1: If only these random American celebrities supported Israeli military operations
Speaker 1: more vociferously, the problem would be solved.
Speaker 2: I was also wondering on Jennifer Aniston. I'm like, is
Speaker 2: she Jewish? But I mean, from based on what I
Speaker 2: can tell, yeah, it doesn't look like she.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what.
Speaker 4: All this was noted that she hadn't said whatever they
Speaker 4: wanted her.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is part of it. Apparently this is what
Speaker 2: you love through Google. I was like, Jennifer Anderston and Jewish.
Speaker 2: Apparently she liked an Instagram post by Jamie Fox that
Speaker 2: some people called anti semitic from a while ago, where
Speaker 2: he posted a message about Jesus being killed hashtag fake friends,
Speaker 2: hashtag fake love. I have no idea what that is,
Speaker 2: but that appears to me the extent to which Jennifer
Speaker 2: Andison they're throwing a like on this freaking face.
Speaker 1: I personally would like for Americans celebrities to stay silenced
Speaker 1: on far more issues. I mean, we had both Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber and Jamie Lee Kurtiz sharing things that they thought
Speaker 1: were Israel and we're really Palestine, and I mean, just
Speaker 1: making an absolute mess of this. Amy Schumer is a
Speaker 1: whole other story with all of this. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why we need to look to these people for
Speaker 1: world leadership and guidance on any issue.
Speaker 3: Jiji Hadid.
Speaker 2: She's Palestinian, right, Okay, she could speak is a gal Gado.
Speaker 2: I think wonder Woman, same thing, She's Israeli fine, whatever.
Speaker 2: Now I think Natalie Portman too. I think she's just
Speaker 2: really fine. You know, these people, they're literally citizens of
Speaker 2: the country. Say whatever you want. I totally understand it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Oprah, we need Oprah to weigh in here,
Speaker 2: we need Je Prasston to weigh in here. It's like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? And it just makes him look
Speaker 2: ridiculous to be honest. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also just in terms of the arrogance, which is
Speaker 2: always your me nuts about this, It's like, you do
Speaker 2: not tell us what to say. We will say whatever
Speaker 2: we want in this country, at least for now. It's like,
Speaker 2: where do you have the goal to be going one
Speaker 2: on television, also on British television and then demanding.
Speaker 1: The America as a celebrity.
Speaker 3: Who's a good British celebrity like Tom Huddleson or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have him speak out, Okay, like at least grant you, Grant,
Speaker 2: I do love you.
Speaker 3: And Colin Firth. You know my heart, my heart belongs
Speaker 3: to Colin.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy. But anyway, yeah, just completely ridiculous
Speaker 2: and just you know, show further the insanity of where
Speaker 2: we are. I feel like we're right back to canceling
Speaker 2: Russian tennis players for playing in Wimbledon or oh there's
Speaker 2: been some.
Speaker 1: Of that too, of like canceling Palestinian poets or whatever
Speaker 1: different events around the world. It's just outright xenophobic. And
Speaker 1: we said the same thing when this was happening with Russia,
Speaker 1: and by the way, it continues to happen with Russia.
Speaker 1: I think the tennis players are now allowed to play again,
Speaker 1: but they don't have their flags next to them, and
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just nonsense virtue signaling that doesn't
Speaker 1: solve any problem.
Speaker 2: I told you yesterday about the Russian Uzbek restaurant, which
Speaker 2: literally took the name Russian out of it.
Speaker 3: It's Russian cuisine. It's not about Russia, it's about the
Speaker 3: actual food.
Speaker 2: It's like, what's the whole point of going there? Also,
Speaker 2: Uzbek food no offense, doesn't sound as enticing Russian newsback Now, I'm.
Speaker 1: Interested right separate the people from their governments, please, I
Speaker 1: mean no one should have more interest in that than
Speaker 1: Americans who have had their government do all kinds of
Speaker 1: things in our name that we haven't necessarily.
Speaker 3: Actually, that's a great point.
Speaker 2: How many times have you been abroad and some arrogant,
Speaker 2: annoying European makes a comment about the Iraq War and
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, dude, I didn't support the Iraq War.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, well, you want to talk.
Speaker 2: About French or Portuguese like slave trade. No, because we're
Speaker 2: not all reflections of what our governments do. All right,
Speaker 2: let's move on to Ukraine. Lots going on. We brought
Speaker 2: you the news previously that President Zelenski wanted to visit
Speaker 2: Israel in a quote show of support. Some might interpret
Speaker 2: it that way. Others might interpret it as a way
Speaker 2: to keep his name in the headlines and to make
Speaker 2: sure that the world doesn't forget about him. Well, it
Speaker 2: turns out in Israel they read it the latter way.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. Israel has
Speaker 2: turned down Zelenski's request to make a quote solidarity visit.
Speaker 3: It's just not the right time.
Speaker 2: Ukraine's leader was interested in joining Anthony Blincoln on his
Speaker 2: Israel last visit last week. I once again the arrogance
Speaker 2: to think that Ukraine a nation which has no industry
Speaker 2: of its own at this point, which has no money
Speaker 2: of its own, no weapons, no ammunition, should accompany the
Speaker 2: United States Secretary of State to Israel to try and
Speaker 2: broker peace. That is outrate. What do you have to
Speaker 2: say about what's going on in Israel? What are your
Speaker 2: relations or whatever whatever it comes to the Egyptians or
Speaker 2: the Jordan or any of this. This is not a
Speaker 2: role for a nation who is allegedly, you know, in
Speaker 2: the fight of its life for an existential threat.
Speaker 3: Why don't you bother yourself with that?
Speaker 2: But the reason why he's bothering himself or even trying
Speaker 2: to insert himself in all of this is specifically because
Speaker 2: he understands that Israel has directly now drawn international attention,
Speaker 2: but most importantly Western attention, from what is going on
Speaker 2: inside of Ukraine. And I'm actually been thinking a lot
Speaker 2: about this, and I don't want this to sound too nasty,
Speaker 2: but a lot of liberals over the last two years
Speaker 2: have been trying to make the case that the fight
Speaker 2: for Ukraine is about democracy, The fight for Ukraine is
Speaker 2: bigger than us. It's like the most important thing going
Speaker 2: on in the world. And look how quickly crystal they
Speaker 2: have completely switched over to becoming Israel Palestine experts, how
Speaker 2: quickly or their attention has turned. And here's the truth
Speaker 2: that I think people in Ukraine should understand. They never
Speaker 2: really cared about you. It was all part of a
Speaker 2: bizarre psychodrama that they were happening in their own heads,
Speaker 2: play acting war online by putting Ukraine flag in their
Speaker 2: bio and taking a revenge on Vladimir Putin for Russia Gate,
Speaker 2: and the moment that their attention goes away, it's fickle.
Speaker 2: People have found out many times how fickle the interests
Speaker 2: of upper middle class liberals are. And I think it's
Speaker 2: actually unfortunate those of our people like me who oppose
Speaker 2: Ukraine Aid. From the beginning. At least I was honest
Speaker 2: about what I thought about the conflict. We were honest
Speaker 2: about the stakes. We were honest that we could feel
Speaker 2: bad for you, but we used to prioritize our own interests.
Speaker 2: We at least did not deceive you that you were
Speaker 2: the most important things. And you know, it's probably very
Speaker 2: hard to digest for people inside Kiev because they have
Speaker 2: been you know, are Keiev. I apologize for people they've
Speaker 2: been led to believe that Americans and many you know,
Speaker 2: the government and all those truly you know, thought this
Speaker 2: was the most important thing. When the truth was is
Speaker 2: it was just you know, the current thing of the time.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably very painful, but let's be honest
Speaker 2: here what's going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a much more charitable take in
Speaker 1: terms of the people themselves and their care and concern
Speaker 1: for Ukrainians because it's to me, it's much more about
Speaker 1: the groups that the media and the government choose to
Speaker 1: provide humanity, to choose to center in their suffering. You know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of suffering going on around the world.
Speaker 1: We always talked about this with regard to the warren Yemen. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know that suffering, which was the worst humanitarian crisis
Speaker 1: on the entire planet. You know, you didn't see people
Speaker 1: with Yemen flags, not because they you know, hate Yemen
Speaker 1: or don't care.
Speaker 4: It wasn't put on the news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know anything about it.
Speaker 4: You didn't see those people.
Speaker 1: They were invisibilized intentionally, so because it was inconvenient for
Speaker 1: us with regard to our relationship with our big ally
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, and so the Ukrainians were given, you know,
Speaker 1: allowed to be have their suffering centered and their humanity featured.
Speaker 1: And you know, Americans felt an outpouring of you know,
Speaker 1: desire to help them, and that was that was genuine.
Speaker 1: And you see the same thing with Israel, where you know,
Speaker 1: the Israelis who suffered truly this horrific atrocity which has
Speaker 1: shaken their you know, sense of safety and stability and
Speaker 1: their view of the world, and you know, the conflict
Speaker 1: in their own region has shaken to the core, and
Speaker 1: this horrific loss of human life. And you know that
Speaker 1: humanity is featured and centered, and people care greatly about it,
Speaker 1: really genuinely care deeply about it. But the lives of
Speaker 1: the Palestinians over many years have been you know, really invisiblized.
Speaker 1: Now we're seeing a few images coming out as you
Speaker 1: see this, you know, the siege taking place, the indiscriminate bombing,
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of reporting on that, but
Speaker 1: it pales in comparison to the way that the suffering
Speaker 1: of the Israelis is treated and has been completely invisible
Speaker 1: over many years, as they've been you know, dealing with violence,
Speaker 1: violence from Jewish settlers, you know, the occupation of their land,
Speaker 1: the illegal settlements, the blockade that has turned Gaza into
Speaker 1: you know, just a truly you know, miserable place where
Speaker 1: fifty percent of people are unemployed and most overwhelmingly live
Speaker 1: on poverty and rely on international aid and all of that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, it's this is actually a point I have
Speaker 1: to say, Vivek has been making about which tragedies the
Speaker 1: media convinces us to care about.
Speaker 4: The perfect examples is of Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Yes, at times we're told we care about it, the
Speaker 1: women and girls and you and finds withdrawing and we're
Speaker 1: so worried about their future, and then once we're gone,
Speaker 1: it's just over. And as the American government has denied,
Speaker 1: you know, Afghanistan, this isn't the whole of the problem,
Speaker 1: but denied them some of their own money to help
Speaker 1: deal with a horrific you know, collapsing economy, et cetera. Well,
Speaker 1: now we don't care about that suffering anymore. It's invisible.
Speaker 1: So that's why these things, these things are a real
Speaker 1: choice in terms of the coverage and whose humanity is
Speaker 1: featured and who is allowed to receive sympathy of the American.
Speaker 2: But that's why I'm not as charitable crystal, because I
Speaker 2: saw it with Afghanistan, and we see it with the
Speaker 2: Krant and this is the other thing. What's more cruel
Speaker 2: to convince somebody that you truly support them and then
Speaker 2: immediately just turn your back on them and just pretend
Speaker 2: that all the last things that you never said, or
Speaker 2: to look them straight in the face even when it's
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with me, like listen, I'm sorry, we.
Speaker 3: Have lived in the real world.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a great line from Moneyball, would you
Speaker 2: rather have a bullet to the chest or five to
Speaker 2: the sorry, bullet to the head or five to the
Speaker 2: chest and bleed out? And that, to me is just
Speaker 2: a really gross and sick way of like heroizing them
Speaker 2: and thinking them that you're gonna be there of them forever,
Speaker 2: when A that's not politically tenable and not realistic, but
Speaker 2: B you're just gonna switch immediately.
Speaker 3: All of Washington has completely looked away.
Speaker 2: I mean, Russia could I don't even know what they
Speaker 2: could do right now in Ukraine, and let's be honest,
Speaker 2: Congress and all these other people with Ukraine flags and
Speaker 2: lapel pins and all this stuff, they're not gonna do
Speaker 2: anything because they're focused on Israel. I just think that
Speaker 2: that's more disgusting, like you said about women and girls. Yes, look,
Speaker 2: I'm it's abhorrent what the Taliban does to women and
Speaker 2: girls in Afghanistan. My position from the day one is
Speaker 2: that's Afghanistan's problem. As much as I and mesags and
Speaker 2: makes me sad, was never gonna bs the Afghan women
Speaker 2: or the Afghan NGOs or any of that that we're
Speaker 2: willing to send American troops to fight and die in
Speaker 2: order to secure their place in school.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: Well, but here's the other thing, is like we made
Speaker 1: things so much worse for the women and girls over ore,
Speaker 1: like Middle Eastern adventures and attempts at completely failed hubristic
Speaker 1: attempts at democracy building. So there also needs to be
Speaker 1: a lot of humility about what we're actually able to
Speaker 1: accomplish and what works and what is a complete dramatic failure.
Speaker 1: There's also been just you know, incredible, in your face
Speaker 1: hypocrisy with regard to how Russian war crimes are viewed
Speaker 1: versus how Israeli war crimes are viewed. These are so
Speaker 1: blatant that even Jake Tapper over at CNN took note
Speaker 1: and was pressing National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on but
Speaker 1: take a listen to how Tony Blinken was talking about
Speaker 1: Russia when they were messing with the energy, messing with
Speaker 1: the electricity.
Speaker 6: Take a listen he water electricity, for children, for the elderly,
Speaker 6: for the sick.
Speaker 5: These are President Putin's new targets. He's hitting them hard.
Speaker 6: This brutalization of Ukraine's people is barbaric.
Speaker 1: Id have really heard that when it comes to Israel
Speaker 1: turning off the electricity and weaponizing it and collective punishment, etc.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the only one put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: This is from Ursula Vanderline is the head of the EU.
Speaker 1: She says, Russia's attacks against civilian infrastructure, especially electricity.
Speaker 4: Are war crimes.
Speaker 1: Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating
Speaker 1: with winter coming, these are acts of pure terror, and
Speaker 1: we have to call it as such.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 1: Suddenly, when it's Israel and it's America's ally, we don't
Speaker 1: hear quite the same language with this regret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why it just annoyed me the entire time. Autocracy, democracy,
Speaker 2: you know this, and then high ideals. America is a
Speaker 2: conation like any others. We should look out for our interests.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that requires dealing with horrible people well sometimes better
Speaker 2: off than the alternative. See my past comments about Saddam
Speaker 2: Hussein or other stable regimes. You can either choose to
Speaker 2: operate that way, or you can operate purely from a
Speaker 2: realm of international humanitarian rights. You know, international human rights,
Speaker 2: and you know of the laws of war and all
Speaker 2: this other. Personally, I just think that's stupid. I don't
Speaker 2: think that that's realistic. It's too idealistic. It's not possible,
Speaker 2: and so we should just forget, you know, trying to
Speaker 2: operate this way and instead, though, we try to have
Speaker 2: it both ways, where we're best friends with Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll sit by and we'll will co
Speaker 2: sign some of what's going on here, but then use
Speaker 2: it as a rhetorical weapon against people who are our
Speaker 2: alleged enemies. And then, by the way, you know, you
Speaker 2: think they don't know this in Moscow, you know, I
Speaker 2: used to talk crystal with some people who would have
Speaker 2: bilateral meetings with the North Koreans, and they'd be like, hey,
Speaker 2: just give.
Speaker 3: Up the nukes.
Speaker 2: We're not you know, it's all good and they would
Speaker 2: just look at us and be like, that's what you
Speaker 2: told Gadafi?
Speaker 3: Why should we believe you? Can you blame them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 19: Can you?
Speaker 3: How can you blame them?
Speaker 15: Or?
Speaker 2: For example, sometimes I knew a guy once who would
Speaker 2: sit across from very very high level Chinese diplomats, and
Speaker 2: every time he would try and bring up Taiwan or
Speaker 2: the rules based order or any of that, they would
Speaker 2: smirk at him and they would just say, how did
Speaker 2: that work out for Iraq? The same thing happened there
Speaker 2: was a bilateral meeting with President Bush I believe, and
Speaker 2: Putin in Moscow or it was somewhere in the world,
Speaker 2: and Bush was bringing up, you know, democracies, like you
Speaker 2: should have more democracy in your country, and Putin laughed
Speaker 2: at him and he said, we don't want the type
Speaker 2: of democracy that you have given as a gift to Iraq.
Speaker 3: It's like, we can have it two way.
Speaker 2: We can have it one way, or we can have
Speaker 2: it the other way, but otherwise we just look like
Speaker 2: complete and totally totals.
Speaker 3: Why bothers me so much that.
Speaker 2: We continue to use this when it's convenient and then
Speaker 2: we forget it whenever it's not.
Speaker 4: And it's so hypocritical when we try.
Speaker 1: You've got this whole genre of very highly paid and
Speaker 1: famous journalists in DC who do the whole international rules
Speaker 1: based order dance when it suits them on Ukraine, and
Speaker 1: now suddenly they don't have much to say about the
Speaker 1: international rules based order when it comes to Israel and
Speaker 1: what they're doing in Gaza right now. So yeah, like,
Speaker 1: either actually be consistent and actually hold even your friends
Speaker 1: and your allies to a certain standard, actually believe in
Speaker 1: the international rules based order, actually poled it yourself in
Speaker 1: your own actions abroad, which we have really never done.
Speaker 4: Or be honest about your interests, what you're doing, why
Speaker 4: you're doing it.
Speaker 1: But spare me this bs about you care so much
Speaker 1: about that Afghan women and girls, You cared that Ukraine
Speaker 1: is a fight for democracy in the civilized world, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. That's not why you're doing what you're doing,
Speaker 1: So cut the bullshit.
Speaker 2: Probably a good segue to a bizarre experience some other bullshit,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 4: Also, let me give you a little bit of a setup.
Speaker 1: Soccer hasn't watched this yet, so we're gonna get the reactctionally. So,
Speaker 1: someone I've known for a long time works over at
Speaker 1: News Nation hows me to come on Leland Vittert's show,
Speaker 1: and I just know him as like he was like
Speaker 1: one of the reasonable people at Fox who basically got
Speaker 1: fired for not being willing to go along with Trump's
Speaker 1: I don't know if he got fired, but he left whatever,
Speaker 1: he's out because my impression is because of that.
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, that could be fine.
Speaker 1: It's close to you know, it's not inconvenient at the time, works,
Speaker 1: let's do it. So I get the topics are very straightforward.
Speaker 1: It's like Biden's age and Jim Jordan as a potential speaker. Okay,
Speaker 1: easy political topics, no big deal, Let's go for it.
Speaker 1: So I get to the studio and I see.
Speaker 4: On the sheet that the guests before me is John Bolton.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm all right, that's awkward that we're going
Speaker 1: to go from John Bolton doing whatever John Bolton is
Speaker 1: doing to me on like Jim Jordan and these like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Surface level political topics.
Speaker 1: But then they did like a bait and switch and
Speaker 1: come into the segment rather than talking about is rather
Speaker 1: than talking about Jim Jordan and Biden's age or whatever,
Speaker 1: going into Iranian policy in the Middle East, which, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, after I heard the setup and
Speaker 1: how just like blood thirsty it was, and how much
Speaker 1: John Bolden was pushing directly for war with Iran, I
Speaker 1: was actually kind of relieved because I wanted the chance
Speaker 1: to push back on that. So anyway, I don't think
Speaker 1: it went the way that they expected, didn't go the
Speaker 1: way I expected. But here's what happened. The trip to
Speaker 1: Israel is a massive risk, given that our huge ally
Speaker 1: that he has said unequivocally that he stands behind and
Speaker 1: has a right to defend themselves, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: rush aid to et cetera, et cetera, is in the
Speaker 1: midst of committing what the UN describes as war crimes,
Speaker 1: including a medieval siege. I think that the war that
Speaker 1: you and Ambassador Bolton seem very anxious to get us
Speaker 1: into in Iran would be obviously a political catastrophe for the.
Speaker 7: President or anybody interested in a war.
Speaker 1: John Bolton seems very interested in war with Iran, and
Speaker 1: not to mention, has always been interested in war with Iran.
Speaker 1: They're getting us directly into World War three. So I
Speaker 1: don't know about his policy on Iran. But I see
Speaker 1: the view of the Middle East very different from where
Speaker 1: I sit.
Speaker 7: Okay, So what do you make of what Jake Sullivan,
Speaker 7: the President's advisor, said, what is it now eighteen days
Speaker 7: ago or so about how they viewed the Middle East?
Speaker 3: To take a listen, the war.
Speaker 19: In Yemen is in it's nineteen month of truce for now.
Speaker 19: The Iranian attacks against US forces have stopped. Our presence
Speaker 19: in Iraq is stable. I emphasize for now, because all
Speaker 19: of that can change, and the Middle East region is
Speaker 19: quieter today than it has been in two decades.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what mistake he made, which is
Speaker 1: also the same mistake that Biden made, which is also
Speaker 1: the same mistake that Trump made, was to try to
Speaker 1: pretend like the Palestinian quote unquote issue didn't exist, that
Speaker 1: you didn't have millions of people in Gaza seething under
Speaker 1: a multi year blockade, that you didn't have illegal settlements
Speaker 1: and occupation in the West Bank, that you did not
Speaker 1: have to deal with these millions here who are under
Speaker 1: an illegal apartheid system. And so you had the Trump
Speaker 1: administration that move forward with the Abraham Accords, again ignoring
Speaker 1: that situation. You had the Biden administration moving ahead with
Speaker 1: attempted normalization of Saudi and Israeli relations, all pretending that
Speaker 1: this problem with the Palestidians did not exist. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that the war I hear, I got that
Speaker 1: that was unfolding is part of the problem here.
Speaker 7: My question would be whose fault is that problem though,
Speaker 7: because you seem to want to blame it on Israel
Speaker 7: and you want to seem to take away Israel's right
Speaker 7: to self defense.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't use the way their rights to self defense.
Speaker 1: What I do want to take away is their right
Speaker 1: to have an apartheid state.
Speaker 10: Which they don't.
Speaker 7: Which, come on, so you know that you.
Speaker 1: Know Leland right now, right now, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: just let me just say what Hammas did terrorists.
Speaker 4: That's really horrendous.
Speaker 1: Huge of you to be able to civilians should not
Speaker 1: be targeted, whether they are innocent Israeli civilians or innocent.
Speaker 4: Pavilions, no issue with No.
Speaker 3: I have a huge issue with it.
Speaker 7: The fact of matter is I have lived there for
Speaker 7: four years. I reported on I realize there's an enormous
Speaker 7: difference in moral clarity between Hamas that targets civilians, which
Speaker 7: you agree they do in the Israelis, they go out
Speaker 7: of their way not to target civilians.
Speaker 10: There is an enormous retur.
Speaker 1: Is it to the parents of the one thousand plus
Speaker 1: children in the in Gaza right now who are dead
Speaker 1: that Israel theoretically maybe has.
Speaker 4: Less barbaric taxing?
Speaker 1: So let me just already care of more in Gaza attacks.
Speaker 4: Who one autrosity does not said another?
Speaker 7: At whose responsibility is the fact that those civilians are
Speaker 7: still there? Is the responsibility of the Israelis? Or is
Speaker 7: the responsibility of Hamas that's setting up checkpoints to keep
Speaker 7: civilians as human shields? Or is it the responsibility of
Speaker 7: the Egyptians that won't let them get through Rafa? Or
Speaker 7: is the responsibility of the rest of the Arab world
Speaker 7: that will not take a single Palestinian refugee to allow
Speaker 7: them to escape a murderous regime in Hamas.
Speaker 1: There is plenty of blame to go around. What I
Speaker 1: will tell you, though, is are you aware that met
Speaker 1: and yat Yahoo as a policy to try to short
Speaker 1: circuit any efforts at peace and the establishment of a
Speaker 1: Palestinian Stadian state, intentionally propped up Hamas because he saw
Speaker 1: them as a useful foil. These are not my words,
Speaker 1: these are his words. That is why the Israeli people
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly want him to be out of the job because
Speaker 1: of that failure, because of the intelligence failure, because of
Speaker 1: the military failure.
Speaker 4: And now we're stand by.
Speaker 1: We're going to stand by and say you're fine for
Speaker 1: them to drop white phosphorus on civility. They haven't, yes,
Speaker 1: according to Human Rights Watch.
Speaker 4: So there you go your thoughts.
Speaker 3: That's why we want to cable news.
Speaker 2: That's tough to watch Crystal. To be honest, that's everything
Speaker 2: that we stand against in terms of I mean, that's
Speaker 2: why you got a bullshit time limit right about five minutes,
Speaker 2: you got fake commercial, We've got like totally loaded questions.
Speaker 2: The guy doesn't even listen. You know, everybody's trying to
Speaker 2: make their point across. It's just like and so, yeah,
Speaker 2: the ambush thing, to be honest, really pissed me off.
Speaker 2: I would be furious about that. That has never happened,
Speaker 2: you know, anytime it usually as you know, we were
Speaker 2: talking about this before, sometimes they'll be like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: news happened.
Speaker 3: Can you talk about this? You know, they at least
Speaker 3: give you a five minute head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, okay, sure. You know, like one time I
Speaker 2: was on the way to Fox and RBG died.
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit, you know, I got to think.
Speaker 2: About what I'm going to say all of this, Like
Speaker 2: you can go pull the tape because they're on five
Speaker 2: the millions of people watching.
Speaker 3: You're like, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to say about this,
Speaker 2: but you know, at least then you have a little
Speaker 2: bit of time. But they had the segment planned to
Speaker 2: toss to the Jake Sullivan thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, wondering why that one took so long.
Speaker 1: He did this whole build up to the first question
Speaker 1: about like Biden's like Carter and he's appeasing run and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's his whole like intro and he's
Speaker 1: like it's Biden shifting course. I'm like, shifting course on
Speaker 1: what what are we even talking about right now? And
Speaker 1: so anyway, like I said, I was actually glad that
Speaker 1: the topic was shifted because I was sitting there listening
Speaker 1: to what he was saying and what Bolton was saying,
Speaker 1: and just like in my mind, like this is so
Speaker 1: detached from reality and it's so bloodthirstay. I mean Bolton
Speaker 1: was really like pushing you won't be surprised, was really
Speaker 1: pushing like it's all Iran's fault and we can't a
Speaker 1: piece of Ran and we need to go after Iran.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, this is insane that you would
Speaker 1: be cheering for that at this point. So I was
Speaker 1: literally glad to have the chance to, you know, say
Speaker 1: my piece on all of these issues.
Speaker 4: But you know what I take.
Speaker 1: Away from it is when you're in that cable news
Speaker 1: format where you're used to having an echo chamber, you're
Speaker 1: used to just having people who share exactly the same
Speaker 1: few of you, You're used to not having to say
Speaker 1: anything more than like just the most surface level slogans.
Speaker 1: I mean, we spend a lot of time. It makes
Speaker 1: me realize, like it really made me appreciate our show
Speaker 1: because we spend so much time digging into the details
Speaker 1: and really trying to think about it and trying to
Speaker 1: be nuanced and think of different perspectives and you know,
Speaker 1: all that's going on and what does.
Speaker 4: It mean from geopolitics, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And so it makes it so that in a situation
Speaker 1: like that, you're just way more equipped to handle whatever's
Speaker 1: coming at you. Because you're not just dealing in the
Speaker 1: world of like slogans and talking.
Speaker 2: It would just I mean, I have always just found
Speaker 2: situations like that just so overwhelmingly frustrating because it's again
Speaker 2: just wants to come back to it. It's like, okay, dude,
Speaker 2: it's like you want to do this, fine, you know
Speaker 2: we can, but like, why why are you setting us
Speaker 2: up this way?
Speaker 3: I say this too. Look, Leland is a nice guy.
Speaker 2: Hung out with him once in the past, has always
Speaker 2: been nothing but nice. But I don't think that that
Speaker 2: is a professional way to conduct yourself. A bushing some
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that anything he said was
Speaker 2: out of line or any of that. I'm more you know,
Speaker 2: what I really wish is why why didn't they have
Speaker 2: time time to actually talk.
Speaker 3: Five minutes exactly?
Speaker 4: The whole thing was five minutes.
Speaker 1: Thatttle Middle Eastern piece and Iran and whatever in five minutes.
Speaker 3: Now you're moving on.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, we've only got five minutes. You get
Speaker 2: to speak for two and a half.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh we're now we're talking about Israeli politics.
Speaker 4: It's like, what are you more relevant?
Speaker 1: What does Raley's think about this whole situation seems kind
Speaker 1: of important anyway, very I don't.
Speaker 4: Think I'll be invited.
Speaker 1: So I solved a problem, which is I will no
Speaker 1: longer have to turn them down.
Speaker 4: Because I don't think I will be invited back. So
Speaker 4: there you go.
Speaker 3: That's why I say no to ninety nine percent of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to rig the ground, and then they
Speaker 2: want to limit the time, and then they want to
Speaker 2: try and ambush you about something that you.
Speaker 3: Know, you might have said, what am I doing whatever? Exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, why waste your time?
Speaker 2: You know. It's like anyway, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: different reasons. So whatever, we wish them the best news
Speaker 2: nation does do good work on UFOs.
Speaker 3: Let's give them that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just chasing, so let's.
Speaker 2: Give them at least that, and we'll all just go
Speaker 2: our separate ways. Thank you guys so much for watching.
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. Counterpoints will be on tomorrow, Crystal.
Speaker 2: You're filling in for Ryan, so you guys wire breaking
Speaker 2: down the speakership. I believe actually when you go on
Speaker 2: the air, President Biden will actually be in Israel, so
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a lot in order to cover tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Make sure you guys tune in. Thanks to everybody who
Speaker 2: has been taking advantage of our focus group special We
Speaker 2: will see you guys later.
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