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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We have a great show for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: What do we have?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do big news both domestically and abroad. We

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Speaker 1: now have received official word President Biden is going to

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Speaker 1: be traveling to Israel and visiting with the leaders of

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Speaker 1: some other countries while he is there, so we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that as well as the continued risks of the

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Speaker 1: spread into a wider war. One of the things he

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Speaker 1: is likely to be discussing is trying to open some

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Speaker 1: sort of humanitarian corridor. There have been a lot of

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Speaker 1: negotiations about that already, so we'll get into.

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Speaker 4: All of that.

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Speaker 1: We also have some additional results for you from that

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Speaker 1: exclusive focus group that we conducted along with Jail partners

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Speaker 1: down in Georgia, in and around Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: That's where the residents came from.

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Speaker 1: Democratic based voters talking about how they feel about President

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Speaker 1: Biden and his age, their concerns, and you know, whether

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Speaker 4: So we'll talk about that. We also have.

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Speaker 1: Big domestic news, as I mentioned, speaker vote happening today.

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan seems to have swayed some but maybe not enough,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes and talk about what

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Speaker 1: it means. We also have some additional examples of censorship

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Speaker 1: and the State of.

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Speaker 4: Israel that we want to bring you.

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Speaker 1: We also have a little bit of a hypocrisy we

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Speaker 1: want to expose with regard to how people feel about

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia versus Israel and Gaza. And I had

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an adventure last night over on

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Speaker 1: News Nation. Saga actually hasn't seen this clip yet, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about this.

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Speaker 4: This is why don't do cable news anymore.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, that's right. I told you privately, why are

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Speaker 2: you wasting your time with this? We'll find out. We'll

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Speaker 2: find out why you don't waste your time with this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to everybody for supportingus. Some on the focus group.

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Speaker 2: We'll have more to say on that, but let's actually

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Speaker 2: get to the news here. Late last night, Secretary Blincoln,

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Speaker 2: after a marathon nearly eight hour meeting privately with Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister Netanya, who made a major announcement. President Biden on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to.

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Speaker 5: Say on Wednesday. President Biden was at Israel.

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Speaker 6: He's coming here at a critical moment for Israel, for

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Speaker 5: And he's coming here to do the follow up.

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Speaker 6: First, the President will reaffirm the United States solidarity with

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Speaker 6: will again make clear, as he's done unequivocally since amas

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Speaker 5: Including at least thirty Americans, that.

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Speaker 6: Israel has the right and indeed the duty, to defend

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Speaker 6: our crystal clear message to any actor, state or non

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Speaker 5: To that end, he's.

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Speaker 6: Deployed two aircraft carrier groups and other military assets to

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Speaker 6: To that end, today, and at our request, the United

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Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a major piece of news there. President Biden arriving. Now,

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and play some of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to read a translation of what he said

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Speaker 2: Here is exactly what he says. Resistance leaders will not

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Speaker 2: This is a very blunt warning of war, according to

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Speaker 3: That is the lens of which I am viewing the

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Speaker 4: I think that is one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 1: The primary reason likely for his visit is to try

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Speaker 4: A broader war. Will it work or not is a

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Speaker 1: And you know what we've seen from the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: is typical Israel. We stand with you no matter what.

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Speaker 1: You have our support one hundred percent. You know they're

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Speaker 1: trying to rush aid through that obviously, Tony Blincoln being

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Speaker 4: Completely support you.

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Speaker 1: All of that is, you know, the primary actions that

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Speaker 1: they're taking and basically giving Israel carte blanche to do

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Speaker 1: going to unfold concern similar to what I raised yesterday about, Okay,

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Speaker 4: You heard Biden.

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Speaker 1: Saying in that sixty minutes interview that reoccupation of Gaza

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Speaker 1: But then also on the list is hey, we want

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Speaker 2: I really believe this is a Gordian knot which is unsolvable.

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Speaker 2: The Israelis have a way of doing war and they're

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Speaker 2: not going to change it. The US political system is

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Speaker 2: absolutely not going to condition eight or any of that.

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Speaker 2: It does basically doesn't allow any option but the one

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Speaker 2: basically the Overton window, is support Israel rhetorically call for

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Speaker 2: a two state solution all the way up to bomb Iran.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing on the table which would constrain the number

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Speaker 2: there is just simply no way I've been saying this

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Speaker 2: you know, urban conflict evolves right in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Already, one journalist who I deeply trust, let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Shashankoshi. He's the defense editor

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, And this actually fits with some broader reporting

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Speaker 2: We spend a lot of time on this. I have

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Speaker 3: We don't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: Think about the frickin' mission accomplished banner. Yes, the easiest

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Speaker 4: Keep his grip on power.

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Speaker 1: So it should be terrifying to everyone that they have

442
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Speaker 1: no plan for the day after, and you know, thinking

443
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Speaker 1: longer down the road. And this is the point that

444
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Speaker 1: I have made previously, but think of the children who

445
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Speaker 1: are growing up now with this experience. Do you think

446
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Speaker 1: that they're going to be de radicalized by what is

447
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: going on now with this you know, collective punishment that's

448
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Speaker 1: being inflicted on all of Gaza. Do you think that's

449
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Speaker 1: more likely to lead to peace or do you think

450
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Speaker 1: it's more likely to go in the other direction. Just

451
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Speaker 1: as our actions in Iraq and in the Middle East

452
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Speaker 1: helped to form and provide fuel.

453
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Speaker 4: To ISIS, do you think it's more likely to go in.

454
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Speaker 1: The other direction of creating additional terror, additional radicalization among

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Speaker 1: this population.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

457
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Speaker 2: And actually we have a lot of lessons about what

458
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Speaker 2: ended up working, you know, and they're very uncomfortable lessons.

459
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Speaker 2: You know what ended up working in Syria to eradicate ISIS, Well,

460
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Speaker 2: it took a massim lots of checks from us.

461
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Speaker 3: It also took Asad winning the war.

462
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Speaker 2: That's really difficult to say for a man who's probably

463
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Speaker 2: responsible for at a minimum of what three hundred thousand

464
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Speaker 2: people dead. Well, it's kind of a Saddama same lesson. Yeah,

465
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't a good guy. He massacred a lot of

466
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Speaker 2: his own people. It turned out we were better off

467
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Speaker 2: with him than we were without him. The same thing

468
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Speaker 2: in Iraq today, in the government where it is, which

469
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Speaker 2: is already like complete mess, Well, same thing. It took

470
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Speaker 2: us writing massive checks, lots of weapons to go in

471
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Speaker 2: and blow the hell out of the city of Mosul,

472
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Speaker 2: and to then prop up a government which still did

473
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Speaker 2: some very uncomfortable and difficult things that we don't necessarily

474
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Speaker 2: want to acknowledge to make sure that Isis didn't come

475
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Speaker 2: to power. Same with Egypt. When we think about what's

476
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Speaker 2: going on over there. I'm not saying I support it necessarily.

477
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, stability comes at a huge cost. It

478
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Speaker 2: can also lead to big, bubbling problems, as we all

479
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Speaker 2: found out in twenty eleven. So this is a complicated thing,

480
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Speaker 2: but it does then represent that a political solution to

481
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: all of this is absolutely necessary, and also from a

482
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Speaker 2: military level. The failure of our invasion of Iraq was

483
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Speaker 2: to completely misunderstand Iraqi society, the depathification policy, the way

484
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Speaker 2: that we tried to cobble together a fake coalition, Our

485
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Speaker 2: window dressing both in Iraq and really with the Karzai

486
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Speaker 2: government in Afghanistan as well, actually made problems bubble up

487
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Speaker 2: later on in the surface and ensured that we ended

488
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Speaker 2: up staying in those countries even longer than we absolutely

489
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Speaker 2: should have.

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Speaker 3: So lots of lessons for the Israelis. And you know,

491
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Speaker 3: if you go to Israel, they love to talk a

492
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Speaker 3: big game.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you guys don't know what you're doing.

494
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Speaker 2: You guys, you know failed this, you failed that. And

495
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Speaker 2: I look at this and I'm like, well, what happened

496
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Speaker 2: to these big talk guys. It's like, where's the you know,

497
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Speaker 2: the brilliance. You guys always claim your geniuses about balancing

498
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Speaker 2: these powers and you know, playing Iran against each other

499
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Speaker 2: and Saudi and you know, they really believed that they

500
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Speaker 2: were like they cracked the code in terms of all that.

501
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Speaker 2: I think that's taken some of that off. Also a

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Speaker 2: very abstute observer, Olivier Knox, He's a foreign correspondent here

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Speaker 2: in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: I've always trusted the what he has to say is

506
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Speaker 2: a great reporter, and he points out astuteley, the language

507
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Speaker 2: of caution creeps into Biden's messages to Israel, and he

508
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Speaker 2: points specifically from original October seventh quote, Israel has a duty,

509
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Speaker 2: pure unadulterated evil to aircraft carrier. And then in recent days,

510
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's a big mistake to occupy Gaza.

511
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Speaker 2: Even if amhas is a necessary requirement, Yes, we still

512
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Speaker 2: need a priest process. Meeting with the PA president mahmurabas

513
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Speaker 2: whenever he's in Aman, showing that after the bellicos rhetoric

514
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Speaker 2: of the first couple of days.

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Speaker 3: Which is understandable.

516
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Speaker 2: You know the world has nothing but sympathy for what

517
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Speaker 2: happened to Israel, or at least any sane person for

518
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Speaker 2: a terrorist attack. Then though immediately understanding the stakes of

519
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: the conflict, the geopolitical ramification, and that is where the

520
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Speaker 2: Biden administration is right now, and unfortunately from them, I

521
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Speaker 2: have zero trust for President Biden and for his foreign

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Speaker 2: policy team after especially what happened in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: They're bumbling ass policy. Oh we'll give you this. No, no,

524
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you this. Oh we want.

525
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Speaker 2: Regime change in Russia. No, we don't want regime change

526
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Speaker 2: in Russia. This is the same JV squad that's running

527
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Speaker 2: Israel Palestine. If you thought Russia Ukraine was complicated, is ten.

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Speaker 4: Times one emotionally fraud Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: More likely for us to get into hot work because

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Speaker 2: at least the other side doesn't have nucrow weapons.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is very true. There was a quote also

532
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Speaker 1: on this like oh their sounding notes of caution. IDEA

533
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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin had some commentary on lessons

534
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Speaker 1: from nine to eleven. He said one of the things

535
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Speaker 1: we learned is you have to really think through next steps.

536
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Speaker 1: You have to be very thoughtful about that because they

537
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Speaker 1: will have long term implications. Don't operate on reflex activity.

538
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Speaker 1: Think through what you're going to do, what implications is

539
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Speaker 1: going to have for the country, for the region and beyond.

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Speaker 1: But it really does remind me of the empty talk

541
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Speaker 1: from the administration about you know, when they would go

542
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Speaker 1: and say like, oh, Ukraine Zelenski, don't use our weapons

543
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Speaker 1: on Russian territory, Please don't do that.

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Speaker 4: We don't want you to do that.

545
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Speaker 1: But it was completely empty and hollow because it wasn't conditioned.

546
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Speaker 1: It's not like they were threatening their future aid going

547
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Speaker 1: forward or actually applying any sort of pressure to affect

548
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Speaker 1: the outcome that they theoretically wanted.

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Speaker 4: And so I see this in the same light. It's

550
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Speaker 4: just empty words.

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Speaker 1: Israel is going to do whatever Israel wants to do,

552
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Speaker 1: and Netanyahu, you know, who's in a fight for his life.

553
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Speaker 1: And Israeli society that you know, feels the way we

554
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Speaker 1: did after nine to eleven, and you know, many people

555
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Speaker 1: there just want to see retaliation, They want to see

556
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Speaker 1: Hamas punished. They really don't care that much about the

557
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Speaker 1: toll that is taking on the civilian population, and they're

558
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Speaker 1: really not thinking too much about down the road. They're

559
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Speaker 1: dealing in the here and now. And listen, Israeli society

560
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Speaker 1: is not a monel. It's just as we weren't either.

561
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Speaker 1: But you know, the empty words from our administration ultimately

562
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Speaker 1: mean absolutely nothing if you're not willing to back them

563
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Speaker 1: up with the force of some sort of carrot or

564
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: stick to encourage them and force them to comply. So

565
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Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't read too much into this little

566
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Speaker 1: bit of a shift in tone of like humanitarian quarter

567
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Speaker 1: good to U crane all over again.

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, no, we want regime change. No, we

569
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Speaker 2: don't want regime change. Well you said you want regime change, okay, right,

570
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Speaker 2: so you already went with the Maximus one, and then

571
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: all your policy goes to that level. But then every

572
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: once in a while you throw a lip service on

573
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Speaker 2: background to the Washington Post. But actually the Ukrainians are

574
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Speaker 2: a little bit out of control.

575
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Speaker 3: It doesn't it's all fake.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: That's a good transition because one of the areas where

578
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Speaker 1: the US has been like kind of talking a big

579
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Speaker 1: game and failing to actually deliver is on trying to

580
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Speaker 1: establish any sort of humanitarian quarter, you know, along the

581
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Speaker 1: Gaza border into Egypt in particular. And also remember we've

582
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Speaker 1: got American hostages that are held by Hamas right now,

583
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Speaker 1: Tony blink and acknowledge that that might be the first

584
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Speaker 1: time that we've actually had official acknowledgment that there are

585
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Speaker 1: American citizens being held as hostages by Hamas right now.

586
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Speaker 1: We also have hundreds of American citizens who are in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The American citizens who are in Israel, the Biden administration

589
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: has been working aggressively to charter flights to get them

590
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Speaker 1: out if they want to leave. Not so much success

591
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Speaker 1: or interest in terms of getting the hundreds of Americans

592
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Speaker 1: who are in Gaza right now out of there. Let

593
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Speaker 1: me give you a few updates from on the ground.

594
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Speaker 1: Because this issue of the hostages that Hamas has taken,

595
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Speaker 1: which is you know, brutal and horrific what they are

596
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Speaker 1: doing here, this is going to continue to be a

597
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Speaker 1: huge issue for the American public and also very much

598
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Speaker 1: for the Israeli public. We had the first hostage video

599
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Speaker 1: released from HAMAS. Let's take a look at that, so

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Speaker 1: you can see here this is actually a French Israeli woman.

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Speaker 1: They're showing her here, you know, receiving treatment from whatever

602
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Speaker 1: horrific injuries she suffered.

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Speaker 4: You can see her.

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Speaker 1: They also in the video, which you know, obviously this

605
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Speaker 1: is all like compelled speech, so keep that in mind

606
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Speaker 1: as I'm reading the words. But she says here, I'm

607
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Speaker 1: a prisoner in Gaza. They treated me and performed a

608
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Speaker 1: surgery on me that took three hours, and everything is fine.

609
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Speaker 1: I only asked that you were turned me home as

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Speaker 1: soon as possible, return me to my family. Please get

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Speaker 1: us out of here as soon as possible. She is

612
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Speaker 1: twenty one years old. Her family reportedly obviously very relieved

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Speaker 1: to see that she is at least alive, but in

614
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Speaker 1: grave danger and in grave peril and saga. There are

615
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Speaker 1: hundreds we now know at least two hundred hostages being held,

616
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Speaker 1: innocent civilians who are being held by Hamas in Gaza

617
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Speaker 1: and who are very much at risk at this point.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of the most vehement protests within Israel

619
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Speaker 1: at Ntnyahuo's government and their handling of this crisis have

620
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Speaker 1: been from people who have family members who are being

621
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Speaker 1: held right now, or close loved ones who are being

622
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Speaker 1: held right now as hostages. So this continues to be

623
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Speaker 1: a horrific and emotional issue bubbling here under the surface,

624
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Speaker 1: especially as Israel, you know, shells bombs the hell out

625
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Speaker 1: of Gaza on these hostages are also at risk. Of course,

626
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Speaker 1: the blame lies primarily with Hamas for taking them in

627
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Speaker 1: the first place. Let's go ahead and put the latest

628
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Speaker 1: death toll that we have up on the screen here,

629
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Speaker 1: both in terms of Israelis and in terms of Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: In Israel we have fourteen hundred confirmed killed, thirty four

631
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Speaker 1: hundred injured.

632
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Speaker 4: As of yesterday.

633
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Speaker 1: In Gaza we had twenty seven hundred and seventy eight killed,

634
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Speaker 1: more than a thousand of those, by the way, children,

635
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Speaker 1: which makes sense because the population of Gaza is so

636
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Speaker 1: young and close to ten thousand injured.

637
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Speaker 4: This is what is confirmed.

638
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Speaker 1: This also, as we mentioned yesterday, the main hospital which

639
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Speaker 1: is in Gaza City, which is in the evacuation zone,

640
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Speaker 1: already struggling, already overwhelmed with trying to deal with patients.

641
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: Only the most critical patients are being treated at the hospital.

642
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Speaker 1: Already they are saying there is no way we can

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Speaker 1: evacuate there. It is just a complete impossibility. So incredibly

644
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: dire situation there. At the same time, you know, speaking

645
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Speaker 1: about American words versus action, We've had this whole game

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Speaker 1: of telephone basically about whether or not there's going to

647
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Speaker 1: be some sort of opening at the Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Border with Egypt.

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Speaker 1: American officials indicating that we're working on it. It's going

650
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Speaker 1: to happen back and forth between Egypt and Israel. Egypt

651
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Speaker 1: saying that Israel would not commit to not bombing AID

652
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Speaker 1: convoys coming in at that border, and that's why they've

653
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Speaker 1: held back. We have New York Times actually spoke to

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Speaker 1: an American family that, hearing that there might be a

655
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Speaker 1: possibility that they could exit through Egypt, has showed up

656
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Speaker 1: at the border along with scores and scores of other people.

657
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what that mother had to

658
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Speaker 1: say about her experience.

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Speaker 4: So you can see.

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Speaker 1: These are images of the Rafa crossing point that is

661
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Speaker 1: from Gaza into Egypt. As it says here, up to

662
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Speaker 1: six hundred Americans are in Gaza, and you can see

663
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: this one family, a young mother and her young children.

664
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Speaker 1: She's saying, I'm an American citizen, my husband is an

665
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Speaker 1: American citizen. We were both born there I'm a mother

666
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: to three children who also have American passports and were

667
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: born there.

668
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: Can see the children there.

669
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Speaker 1: They've never visited Gaza in their lives, and if you

670
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: can imagine the first time they visit, this war happens.

671
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: The people who are still alive, those who haven't been

672
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: bombed or lost their houses, have to hold on and

673
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: keep going with less food, water, and fuel, and you

674
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: can see the situation is very, very dangerous. You see

675
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: little kids with giant suitcases waiting at this border crossing,

676
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: and you have another Jordanian citizen here hoping her children

677
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: will be able to cross into Egypt, asking what have

678
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: these children done? Why can't they go safely to their country?

679
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: Why are they still in Jordan? Why are they still

680
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: in Gaza? Jordan is responsible for them. We are facing

681
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: the possibility of death every second. Our situation is awful.

682
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: So this is the experience of people who have been

683
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Speaker 1: waiting at this border. There were conflicting messages about whether

684
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Speaker 1: or not it would be open, and now it seems

685
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: very much less likely because let's go and show this.

686
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: Israeli warplanes have just bombed again this Gaza rapa crossing

687
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: that leads as I said, into Egypt. Israel attacked that

688
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: crossing again yesterday, and.

689
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: You know, the roads have been completely blown up.

690
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: The idea of being able to pass any sort of

691
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: humanitarian aid trucks into this area, you know, virtual impossibility

692
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: because of the damage to the roadways here. And you know,

693
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: at this point they've struck this crossing multiple times, so

694
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: very difficult to say. One of the goals of Biden

695
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: and Blincoln in the region is to try to come

696
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: up with some solution for civilians and at least to

697
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: try to get some American citizens out of there if

698
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: nothing else, and seems like a virtual impossibility at these points.

699
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does. If we can throw the next

700
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: one up there on the screen. I mean, they say

701
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: the US seeks Gaza aid and safe zones as Israeli

702
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: invasion looms, And the thing is that where is the deconfliction,

703
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: where is the diplomacy. Israel is like, well, we're bombing

704
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: it because Hamas is using it, or there's a tunnel

705
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: network underneath.

706
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's true.

707
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: I don't know about bringing Hama's weapons and all that,

708
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: And even if it is true, it's like, well, why

709
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: don't we negotiate an actual time period where these people

710
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: can get across. It also demonstrates once again the intransigence

711
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: of all of the parties that are involved here, and frankly,

712
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: the outright disrespect to the United States. I just want

713
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: to say again, we have given Egypt eighty billion dollars.

714
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: Their regime does not survive without America.

715
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: And we come to them, We're like, hey, can we

716
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: get our citizens out of there? They're like, nah, You're

717
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: not getting them out there, not unless you do a

718
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: quid pro quo with Israel. And then our freaking Secretary

719
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: of State is in Israel for eight hours and he

720
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: can't properly negotiate aboard. What are we doing here? We

721
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: have you know, I was just telling you while that

722
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: clip was playing, I was like, you know, I heard

723
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: a lot from all these people about oh, American citizens

724
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: left behind in Afghanistan and all this other stuff.

725
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: Where are you now? You know these people are our citizens.

726
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: It's like they have some protection from their government, and

727
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: you know we have. The Safe Zone has failed already

728
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: in South Gaza, not only in terms of not only

729
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: in terms of like the water infrastructure allegedly being turned

730
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: on or any of other stuff, not even in terms

731
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: of the airstrike, but most importantly, just from a purer

732
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: national perspective, I consider myself a nationals Our citizens are

733
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: not being afforded safe passage by both parties, who we

734
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: have both paid billions of dollars, and our secretary of

735
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: State is in the region. That's a failure already.

736
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: And he was made to look like a fool after

737
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: Blincoln met with Egypt's President c s.

738
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Speaker 4: He said it will be open. He said, Rafa will

739
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: be open.

740
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Speaker 1: That's why so many people showed up at this border

741
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: and are clamoring to try to get out. And he's

742
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: made a fool of now in this situation. And obviously,

743
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, in my view, American lives are not any

744
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: more precious than the lives of the Palestinians who are

745
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: suffering here. But in terms of you know, this idea, oh,

746
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: there's a different note being sounded. The US is putting

747
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: prash and Biden's going to go and try to work

748
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: out this Gordian not et cetera, et cetera. I mean,

749
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: how is this working out even on the most minimal

750
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: of ass of Hey, we kind of like our own

751
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: citizens to be able to cross here. He's made a

752
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: complete fool of.

753
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying they're no more.

754
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: Nobody is precious, okay, but I'd say the government has

755
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: a responsibility first and foremost to its own citizens. And

756
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: so where is that we got our people out of Israel?

757
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: We are you know, flying people out of aircraft carriers.

758
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I just can't believe that it has come

759
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: to this and that we again are being made fools

760
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: of in this diplomatic situation. I mean, Henry Kissinger should

761
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: be rolling He's not actually his great, but it should

762
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: be rolling around.

763
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Speaker 3: If he was in his great it would be rolling around. Yeah,

764
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: I guess he would be rolling around watching this.

765
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Speaker 2: You know, from his ability at that time during the

766
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: Amkipour War, and again you can have a lot of criticisms,

767
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: but he was an exceptional diplomat at that time in

768
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: terms of keeping actual negotiating power with both of the parties,

769
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: bringing the end to the conflict, and making sure that

770
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: it didn't escalate to a full nuclear war, which was

771
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: absolutely on the table. The current diplomacy from the White

772
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: House is so disjointed and foolish that it is making

773
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: the prospect of broader war more likely.

774
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Speaker 3: Even more so Crystal.

775
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: Something we talked about is they said they were going

776
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: to do a humanitarian corridor out of Gaza, not for

777
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: American citizens.

778
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: Out of God Cheryl.

779
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put this on the screen just to show you.

780
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: Now that's over. Blincoln now quote publicly opposes mass relocating

781
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt Sinai Peninsula. He says, I

782
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: have heard directly from the PA Authority, President of Boston,

783
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: from virtually every other leader I've talked to in the region.

784
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: The idea is a novel.

785
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: Well, this is this is.

786
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: A very emotional issue for Palestinians. It's being seen as

787
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, a second Knappa basically of you know, Okay,

788
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: now we're being forced down of our homes again, this

789
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: little strip of territory that we've been allowed to hold.

790
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: So I think that was what it was expressed.

791
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: I understand this.

792
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: It's a very emotional option that.

793
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: You I understand that from their point of view, and

794
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: that is why we have to give an assurance for

795
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: the most powerful nation on earth that that is not

796
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: going to happen.

797
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: Negotiated to by a.

798
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: Point of view, we want you listen, We want people

799
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: to live, We want children to live. We want to

800
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: make sure that this doesn't escalate into some full blown disaster.

801
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: We've had enough war already this year.

802
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: We don't need another Bachmudd times fifteen, you know, in

803
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: terms of what we're going to see.

804
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: So and this is what you know, we got to

805
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 3: say this about the Palestinians too.

806
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, I get it, you should be skeptical,

807
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: but don't choose death for no reason. I mean, there's

808
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: just no reason to be to voluntarily be like I

809
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: refuse to leave out of some sort of pride in

810
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: you're there, leaders, you know, Hamas and President of Boss.

811
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: They're basically saying this is a total non starter. Like

812
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: we have to at least come to some situation where

813
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: people can agree that a military operation needs to take

814
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: place in Gaza and Hamas needs to pay, and that

815
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: some sort of mass civilian death does not need to occur.

816
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: The Arab States are complete hypocrites. Just just today this morning,

817
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: I woke up, King of Dulla says we will not

818
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: take one Palestinian out of Gaza. And you know, I

819
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: mean from their perspective, I get it. There, you know

820
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: what seventy something some of the population is Palestinian I've

821
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: been to Jordan, you know, barely feels like Jordan. According

822
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: to the actual Jordanians, they're like, our country's been totally changed,

823
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: we've all stuffered. But the Egyptians, I mean, you know,

824
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: the Sinai Peninsula is massive. We've had un presence there

825
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: for a long time. There's even American service members in

826
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: the region. We can make something happen if we want

827
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: to to walk this all back. The Arab States themselves

828
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: have not offered to do anything really except calling for

829
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: a ceasefire, like at a humanitarian level.

830
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: Once again, I think, and this is the most frustrating part.

831
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: The Palestinians are ponds, and that's just that's the most frustrating,

832
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: the difficult part.

833
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, people shouldn't be forced down of their homes

834
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: and the descript nature. I mean, you have, you know,

835
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: evacuation orders for over a million people, many of whom

836
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: can't go, have nowhere to go, you know, goaz. It's

837
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: this very small territory, you know, that's been said many times.

838
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: And also only certain parts of it are developed. So

839
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: the parts that are developed are incredibly densely packed, and

840
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: the rest of it is just basically like open in

841
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: farm or agricultural land with no sort of infrastructure, no

842
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: sort of facilities. So you know that in a sense

843
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: makes the populated or places you can go in Gaza

844
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: even less. And you know, Israel has made life in

845
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: Gaza so miserable already that people feel like they have

846
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: very little to lose. And I think that's part of

847
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: the you know, part of the mental calculation that's going

848
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: on here, not to mention the like generational nightmare of

849
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: the original Nakba and being terrified that that's exactly what

850
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: they're facing once again, when you already have thousands of

851
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: not only apart in buildings, but single family homes that

852
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: have been blown up in this in this in this operation.

853
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: So there was one other piece with regard to Egypt.

854
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up on the screen.

855
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's just sort of like meaningless words. Egyptians,

856
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Egyptian Presidency, LCC and Biden agreed the current situation in

857
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Gauza is extremely dangerous, needs to be de escalating, no shit,

858
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: to avoid widening the crisis in the region. They agreed

859
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: priority should be given to protect of civilians and the

860
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: entry of humanitarian aid to guzza. Well, Israel just blew

861
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: up the rough a crossing, So how is that going

862
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: to work?

863
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, they bombed, they didn't blow up the whole thing,

864
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: not a defense. They bombed nearby, which part of the issue.

865
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, So no progress here basically in terms of any

866
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: sort of humanitarian solution, protection of civilians, end of the siege,

867
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: any of that.

868
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: No real progress.

869
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: And again this is before the ground invasion even begins.

870
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: If there is to be a ground invasion, which I

871
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: guess at this point is a bit of an open

872
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: question given the delay on that.

873
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: We don't know. Yeah, there's some indication.

874
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't see any scenario where Israeli troops do not

875
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: at least you enter for some period of time, especially

876
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: after all the talk that's happened. Also given the attack,

877
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Speaker 2: I just don't think they could restrict themselves solely to

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Speaker 2: ground or to air operations. Yes, doesn't seem politically tenable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, there was a really interesting exchange

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Speaker 1: we wanted to highlight and analyze for you all over

882
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Speaker 1: on Sky News where Israeli ambassador got into quite a

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Speaker 1: hot clash over the humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Let's sakelesn't have that unfolded.

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Speaker 9: What's the view on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza this morning?

886
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Speaker 8: Well, there is no humanitarian crisis because there is no

887
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Speaker 8: Israel Is in charge of the safety of the Israelies,

888
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Speaker 8: Hamas is in charge of the safety of the Palestinians.

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Speaker 8: We've been showing pictures this morning that would illustrate that

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Speaker 8: there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Can ask you something,

891
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Speaker 8: are your mother? Yes, what would you think if your

892
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Speaker 8: children would have been executed in front of your eyes?

893
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Speaker 8: Would you expect your government to think about those Nazis

894
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Speaker 8: committing those crimes and to say, wait a second, First

895
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Speaker 8: of all, we need to protect the enemy, and then

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Speaker 8: to protect my children. Your children come as priority to

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Speaker 8: your prime minister. So do you know that we have

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Speaker 8: been showing images this morning that illustrate that there is

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Speaker 8: a humanity sharing crisis and council So blame Tramas and

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Speaker 8: ask Tramas why they've started those atrocities. Acknowledge that there

901
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Speaker 8: is a humanitarian crisis. I'm saying there is no Israeli

902
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Speaker 8: is working.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think is happening?

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Speaker 8: What is happening? There is a war in Gaza, a

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Speaker 8: war that Tramas started by committing a horrible massacre on

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Speaker 8: innocent Israelis. The world have seen that civilians just don't

907
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Speaker 8: want to say and give a little bit of a context.

908
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Speaker 8: Those people created crimes that are worse than Isis. When

909
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Speaker 8: the Americans started this fight of Isis together with the

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Speaker 8: coalition forces, over one hundred thousand civilians got caught in

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Speaker 8: a crossfire. Israel is trying to prevent that. Israel is

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Speaker 8: better than any other army in the world. We are alerting,

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Speaker 8: We're giving them the opportunity to have a shelter. We're

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Speaker 8: doing things that no other Western army did in the past.

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Speaker 1: There is no humanitarian crisis this in uh you know

916
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Speaker 1: in Gaza where there is like literally no water left.

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Speaker 1: The hospital workers are being forced to drink IV bags

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Speaker 1: because of the limited.

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Speaker 2: Waters that they They really do themselves no favor in

920
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Speaker 2: these interviews.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, denying reality that's unfolding in front of all of

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Speaker 1: our eyes.

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Speaker 2: The thing is that she actually let slip to what

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say. It's a defensible position, but from

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Speaker 2: their perspective, I get it. They're like, listen, we're targeting Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Hamas is the one who's responsible for Gaza. They're the

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Speaker 2: ones who are, you know, should be administering this. They're

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Speaker 2: the ones who are holding civilians and telling them not

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Speaker 2: to leave their houses. They're the governing authority. We are

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Speaker 2: striking them. We're doing quote unquote our best. I'm not

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Speaker 2: defending them, but you know that's actually real. That's really

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Speaker 2: the only quasi defensible and like honest position from them

934
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Speaker 2: is they're like, yes, we are bombing Hamas as a

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Speaker 2: response to this terrorist attack.

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Speaker 3: It's their fault that they attacked us.

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Speaker 2: We're trying our best, you know, within whatever to try

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we protect some sort of civilian life.

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Speaker 2: We don't intentionally target them. However, collateral damage does happened

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Speaker 2: in war. I just gave you an honest answer. But

941
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Speaker 2: it's like, I don't understand why they can't even say that.

942
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Speaker 3: They're like, no, it's not happening at.

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Speaker 1: All, because they certainly can't say that with a straight

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Speaker 1: face given the fact that they shut off water, food, fuel,

945
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Speaker 1: electricity to the entire enclave.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: So when you do that, like it's no longer we

948
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Speaker 1: can no longer get into these little like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: that's human shields and we're doing our best and we

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Speaker 1: warn them in advance. It's like, even though a bunch

951
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Speaker 1: of that is just pr and bullshit, and they've dropped

952
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Speaker 1: more bombs on Gaza than we drop in Afghanistan, all

953
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Speaker 1: of that there, you might be able to have a

954
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Speaker 1: little exchange and have something to work with, But it's

955
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Speaker 1: clear there's collective punishment here, I mean literal like it's undeniable.

956
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Speaker 1: So she's left with the only thing she can say

957
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Speaker 1: is just to pretend like it's not happening. Now, there's

958
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Speaker 1: no humanitarian crisis, and if there was, it's all Hamas's fault. Well, listen,

959
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Speaker 1: Hamas bears a lot of the blame, do not. No

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Speaker 1: one is denying that. But her logic is effectively the

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Speaker 1: same as those Harvard students who were saying Israel is

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent to blame for the Hamas attacks on

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Speaker 1: Israeli civilians, where you're denying any sort of agency to

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Speaker 1: the murderous terrorists who actually like paraglided into a music

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Speaker 1: festival and massacred people. In that same respect, she's trying

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Speaker 1: to deny any agency of her own government and the

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Speaker 1: approach that they've taken, including this complete siege situation, including

968
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Speaker 1: the indiscriminate bombing, including the force evacuation over a million

969
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Speaker 1: people like you have no agency in that. That's not

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Speaker 1: your responsibility whatsoever. And if that's the case, then that's

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Speaker 1: just means that they have intellectually embraced this idea of

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Speaker 1: complete carte blanche and anything we do is justified because

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Speaker 1: ultimately it's all the fault of from us. That is

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Speaker 1: not I mean, that is not They like to talk

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Speaker 1: about the difference between the civilized world and these barbarous

976
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Speaker 1: acts and barbarians, et cetera. I mean that is not

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Speaker 1: the act of a civilized nation to completely absolve themselves

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Speaker 1: of any responsibility for the civilians who are there on

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Speaker 1: the ground, and many of home are children.

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Speaker 2: I think that they should be honest and that they

981
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Speaker 2: would actually be better off about it there. I just

982
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Speaker 2: saw a report their fears, how the country, how they're feeling.

983
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Speaker 2: They say that this view in the whole the foundation

984
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Speaker 2: of the state of Israel is never again. The brutal killings,

985
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Speaker 2: you know, all harkened back to the War of Independence

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Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 3: This is a complete existential threat.

988
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Speaker 2: We fight whenever it's an existential threat, the way that

989
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Speaker 2: the Western Allied powers fought in World War Two against

990
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Speaker 2: Nazism and against the Japanese Empire, which is, we do

991
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Speaker 2: whatever it takes in order to win. Just say it then,

992
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Speaker 2: you know, because the problem, and this is always a

993
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Speaker 2: thing with Israel, is they're always trying to flirt between

994
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Speaker 2: you know, like complying with international law, for example, like

995
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. Everybody knows these people have a nuclear weapon.

996
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Speaker 2: They don't acknowledge it because then they don't have to

997
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Speaker 2: declare it to the Nuclear NPT, the IAEA and all

998
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Speaker 2: the other things that every other declared nuclear power wants

999
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Speaker 2: to do. And yet it's one of those unspoken truths.

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Speaker 2: If they truly believe that that's how they want to operate,

1001
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Speaker 2: then that's what they should do. The problem is that

1002
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Speaker 2: they are not alone. There have of this giant thing

1003
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Speaker 2: that is backing them, effectively guaranteeing their security the United States,

1004
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Speaker 2: and that would put us in a very awkward position

1005
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Speaker 2: if that's what happened, And so it just seems untenable.

1006
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Speaker 2: Where everything is fake in terms of words, we all

1007
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Speaker 2: know what the truth is, and even the people who

1008
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Speaker 2: defend Israel, like the people who are Israel defenders, they

1009
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Speaker 2: would all say what I just said, And I find

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Speaker 2: by the way, I think what I said is a

1011
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: defensible position from their point of view. I don't necessarily

1012
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Speaker 2: agree with it, but I think it is defensible. You're like,

1013
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: we're fighting for our lives, We're doing our best, but

1014
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: it is what it is. That's war.

1015
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Speaker 3: Deal with it.

1016
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the position of their government is not to acknowledge

1017
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Speaker 2: that reality, which leads to like a two speak double

1018
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Speaker 2: face in interviews and situations like that, where everyone is

1019
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: talking past each other and and not just fully being

1020
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: honest about what's happening on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that is right.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously, as we said before, the

1023
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Speaker 1: fact that there seems to be no plan for what

1024
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Speaker 1: comes after I think really under scores the nature of

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Speaker 1: this is just, you know, the definition of reactionary responding

1026
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Speaker 1: to the domestic reaction, who desperately trying to cling to

1027
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Speaker 1: his job. I mean, this was what immediately when we

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Speaker 1: saw them Las attacks, we knew Nan Yaho is going

1029
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Speaker 1: to have to just like come in in the most

1030
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Speaker 1: brutal possible way. And that's the way he reads the

1031
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Speaker 1: situation as well, So in some ways a little bit

1032
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Speaker 1: of a hard turn, but it actually connects because Biden's

1033
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Speaker 1: headed the going to lease, headed to Israel. You know,

1034
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Speaker 1: his age and how he'll be able to comport himself

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Speaker 1: with a level of vigor and vitality certainly very relevant

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Speaker 1: to the whole conversation. And we're really lucky to have

1037
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Speaker 1: new results from our focus group that was down in

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Speaker 1: Georgia with a bunch of Democratic base voters, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm going to show you what they had to say

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Speaker 1: about his age and how they feel about him.

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Speaker 4: But before that, just wanted to say a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit of a thank you to people who have

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1046
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Speaker 2: The reason why is obviously we want to do more

1049
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Speaker 2: you know, in order to fund these, and I know

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Speaker 2: one of the ones that you guys want also is

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Speaker 2: we've had Republicans, now we've had Democrats. Now let's do

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Speaker 2: some independence. So we're in the phase where we're doing

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Speaker 2: that right now. I think that would be really appealing

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Speaker 2: for our show specifically and a lot of our audience

1058
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Speaker 2: to hear what independent voters have to say. So if

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Speaker 2: you can help us out, you know, to fund more

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Speaker 2: people sending like for example, our producer to the protest,

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Speaker 2: to things like this where we have to send everybody

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Speaker 2: also compensate for their time all of that. So thank

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Speaker 2: you again, and with that, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: Joy Biden.

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Speaker 11: When I think to jow Bio on me, he's experienced.

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Speaker 11: Is he the best candidate to represent the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 11: that's kind of questionable for me.

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Speaker 12: Still competent, not outstanding, sufficiently capable and knowledgeable about how

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Speaker 12: the political system works.

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Speaker 13: For the Democrats, he's a safe pick, and I like

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Speaker 13: that he's always willing to take the smart the best

1076
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Speaker 13: opinion in the room, even if it's not so.

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Speaker 14: I think he's a fair president. I think he's loyal,

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Speaker 14: and I think he's caring and compassionate.

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Speaker 15: Not a knee jerk politician, and no ego.

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Speaker 10: He is a huge step from what we have. Some

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Speaker 10: of you are super enthusiastic. Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 15: I agree with all of those.

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Speaker 16: I think he's safe, but I don't think he's outstanding.

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Speaker 15: I agree with wherever said safe.

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Speaker 11: I mean, he's he's the faith in the sense of

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Speaker 11: democratic party, right, So thank god, he's not the only

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Speaker 11: Democratic representative, you know, so we have our Congressmans and

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Speaker 11: our senators and everything else.

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Speaker 10: So well, I want to know why? Why? Thank god?

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Speaker 10: Why is that why? You please? He's not the only one.

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Speaker 10: I mean, what worries you?

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Speaker 15: What worries me?

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Speaker 11: I think it's statements that he made years ago.

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Speaker 10: What kind of thing you're gonna make me say?

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Speaker 11: I know that he said some things in regards to

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Speaker 11: you know, just African Americans, you know, in the US

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00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 11: at that time, so that always, you know, just maybe

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00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 11: you know, question him as a person in a sense.

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Speaker 12: Even though I think he's a wonderful human being and

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00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 12: he's done great stuff. I think he needs to step

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00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 12: aside because his age does.

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Speaker 15: Concern Yeah, his age concerns me. And I hate to

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00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 15: say that, but.

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Speaker 14: I think sometimes getting a little older, it's time to

1105
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 14: step aside and let somebody with younger come in. And

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00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 14: maybe he's a little softer because I think that you get.

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00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 3: Old and you get a little softer.

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Speaker 14: So he's yeah, and not taking him seriously because of that.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's not doing this by himself. No, he

1110
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: got a whole lot of people helping him.

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00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 14: So I think long as he got good bag up,

1112
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 14: he gonna be a great president.

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Speaker 9: Is Jay Biden too old to run again? Or is

1114
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 9: Jay Biden the right age? It doesn't matter.

1115
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 15: It's fine for him to run again.

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00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 11: I don't think age should be, you know, the determined

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00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 11: back up for him to run or not to.

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Speaker 12: Him, I would prefer that he not run again, not

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 12: because I think he's incompetent, but when you get to

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Speaker 12: be eighty, you don't know what's going to happen with

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00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 12: your health. You know, you could have a stroke, something

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00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 12: else like that could happen. My concern is primarily physical

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Speaker 12: health and less mental health and competence.

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Speaker 13: I don't think it really matters. As long as he

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Speaker 13: wants to run, he's going to be the favorite for president.

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Speaker 17: He's too old.

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00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 10: He should go sit down somewhere, gonna tous.

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Speaker 17: I think at this point you're kind of out of touch,

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00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 17: you know, people getting my age. We're thinking about, you know,

1130
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 17: sitting down, playing with our grandkids, things like that. There's

1131
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 17: some things that need to happen that you don't have

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00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 17: the ability to do. Let some of these young bright

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00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 17: stars that we see day after day in Congress do

1134
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Speaker 17: what they do. And while I'm thinking about it, there

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00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 17: should be term limits immediately for everybody, so that we

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00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 17: don't have people sitting in Congress for forty years grabbing

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00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 17: a paycheck on a gravy chart.

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Speaker 14: He can run again, But why when you get to

1139
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 14: a certain age getting dementia, you can get a all time.

1140
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 14: It's just things that's out there can affect you being

1141
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 14: making your decisions. And do you really want somebody in

1142
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 14: office where sometimes they don't believe that they have those problems,

1143
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 14: and you might not even see that they have those

1144
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 14: problems until they have what a debate and he can't

1145
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 14: catch his words or he can't remember, I just feel

1146
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 14: like they look at that as a sign of weakness.

1147
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 14: Maybe it's time for him to step down.

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00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 16: It doesn't matter to me right now now, because I

1149
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 16: put you know, he doesn't have limited mental capabilities.

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00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 15: He has not shown that yet.

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00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 16: That would be absolutely horrible if he was in office

1152
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 16: and did.

1153
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 15: But right now it doesn't bother.

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Speaker 10: So come the next selection, he'll be eighty two.

1155
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 9: If he completes his second term, he'll be eighty six

1156
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 9: in his last year.

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Speaker 10: How do we react to that?

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00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 12: Well, I know some very competent eighty eight year old.

1159
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 12: My mother's ninety four and she's sharp as attack. You

1160
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 12: just never know.

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00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 13: I think nobody knows his health and his desire to

1162
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 13: work for more years than Joe Biden does. And I

1163
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 13: think if he didn't think he had the ability to

1164
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 13: do it for four more.

1165
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 15: Years, he wouldn't do it.

1166
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Speaker 13: And so I feel like him wanting to run is

1167
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 13: a sign that he's helping enough to run.

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00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 10: Should someone challenge Biden for the nomination to.

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00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 15: Make it their yes, to make it fair.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I wish that Biden would just anoint the successor.

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00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 12: That doesn't have to be a challenge.

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Speaker 13: I think that's a bad signal weakns of the weakness

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Speaker 13: of the Democratic Party, and it could cause of the vibe.

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Speaker 13: I think at an advantage you have when you are

1175
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 13: the return candidate is you don't have to have a

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 13: primary where the six or ten candidates will tear each

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Speaker 13: other down and then have to pretend that they wanted

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00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 13: each other.

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00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 17: I think it'll be an invitation for the Republican Party

1180
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 17: to pounce and try to divide us more.

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Speaker 10: And that's despite you saying Biden to young have a

1182
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 10: lie down.

1183
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 17: Well, yeah he does.

1184
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 5: He's too old.

1185
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 17: But yeah, I don't want anybody to challenge him because

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00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 17: of that reason.

1187
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Speaker 5: So he's the president.

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00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 17: He's going to be the president until he can't be

1189
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 17: the president anymore, and that's at the end of his

1190
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 17: second term.

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Speaker 9: It's not inviting point. It's more important to you than

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 9: the Yeah, it's more important.

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00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 14: Okay, So if he ran again, and I would vote

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Speaker 14: for him because I don't know anybody else that I

1195
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 14: would think can challenge him and would win.

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00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 15: I'm scared about dividing the Democratic Party as well.

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 10: It'd be nice to have another option, But it ain't true.

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: I like where he's at and like where we're at.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's a lot to gamble on.

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Speaker 15: Man.

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Speaker 4: Very interesting, very interesting.

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00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: So a lot of concern about age, a lot of like,

1203
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we see him polls all

1204
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: the time. Right, he's safe, he's not outstanding, he seems nice.

1205
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's kind of competent.

1206
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 15: You know.

1207
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 4: It's this very sort of like warm affection towards him

1208
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 4: as a human being.

1209
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: I think you get in this group a lot of

1210
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: worries about whether he's going to be able to, you know,

1211
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: really finish out the term, his health, his age. He

1212
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's super outstanding. Republicans could seize on

1213
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: this as a sign of weakness. But then when the

1214
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: question is okay, so you want somebody to childs him,

1215
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: they're like, eh, I can't divide the party.

1216
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: You gotta beat Trump.

1217
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: And so ultimately it's like Trump hangs over this whole

1218
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: conversation and really shapes the views and they continue to have,

1219
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, the view and the belief, which is what

1220
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the media promoted, especially in twenty twenty,

1221
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: that like, you can't have dissent.

1222
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 4: Every's got to be united. This is the guy. You

1223
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: got to stick by the guy.

1224
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: No matter what because you know, Trump is at the door,

1225
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: and we can't not possibly allow any sort of you know,

1226
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: open process, because that could that could allow Trump to

1227
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: get us foot in the door.

1228
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: Of course, you know what goes on.

1229
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: Here's the fact that Democrats are a major risk of

1230
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: losing the presidency with Joe Biden because he's viewed so

1231
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: poorly among the American public.

1232
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: It struck me a couple of things. Their level of

1233
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: trust in politicians is fascinating to me. That one guy,

1234
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm effectually going to call him Ryan Reynolds because he

1235
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: looks like he was like, well, I think that nobody

1236
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: knows him better than him, and if he didn't think

1237
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: he was up to it, then he wouldn't run. And

1238
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I can't really imagine trusting any

1239
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: politician you know that much. That said, it does reflect

1240
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: a lot of institutionalism, trust in their ability to govern.

1241
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: You also heard over and over again the competence, and

1242
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: I think it does actually accurately reflect the polling. They

1243
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: all think he's too old, or they're like yeah, or

1244
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: they're uncomfortable with it. When it comes down to it,

1245
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: they're going to vote for him. So Biden in many

1246
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: respects is making the correct calculus. And also, you know

1247
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: the real failure too is I didn't like that one

1248
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: word the woman said, anoint the successor. Yeah, we don't

1249
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: live in a monarch. That's just the personal quibble.

1250
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's what has been sold to

1251
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: the democratic base from you know, MSBC and Santa and

1252
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot of like liberal leaning mainstream outlets, is like,

1253
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: we can't afford to have democracy. Stakes are too high. Sorry,

1254
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: you can't have a choice. You gotta fall in line

1255
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: behind whoever we tell you. And so it doesn't surprise

1256
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: me that those words are used of like.

1257
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: He needs to just anoint a successor.

1258
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them that would be their

1259
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: ideal scenario because you had, you know, you had the

1260
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: one gentleman who said it's time to step aside, another

1261
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: one who said he's too old, he should go and

1262
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: sit down somewhere. But then when asked about like, okay,

1263
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: do you want to see a challenger, is like, no,

1264
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: we can't have that. So I think for a lot

1265
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: of them, their ideal scenario would be that he decides

1266
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: to step aside, and then you know, puts forward who

1267
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: he thinks would be the right candidate in the one

1268
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: lady's words anoints his successor. But I think that would

1269
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: be the ideal scenario for a number of them because

1270
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: they are so concerned about Trump getting back into the

1271
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: White House that they're basically willing to curtail this like

1272
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: messy democratic process because they believe that will help ensure

1273
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: that a Democrat can hold onto the White House. Now,

1274
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: I think that that is a historical I don't think

1275
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: that that's accurate.

1276
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 4: I think Biden does himself no.

1277
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: Favors by not engaging in the rough and tumble of

1278
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: a primary and a debate. I think that would help

1279
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: sharpen his skills. I think that would potentially prove the

1280
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: American people that this is someone that they want to

1281
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: see as a leader, or it won't and we'll end

1282
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: up with another option that people view as superior and

1283
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: more up to the task. We've seen plenty of twenty

1284
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: sixteen was a very rough and tumble primary on the

1285
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: Republican side with Trump.

1286
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 4: Guess what he ended up winning.

1287
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: The Hillary Clinton Barack Obama primary was very rough and tumble.

1288
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: It didn't lead to Barack Obama losing. It actually made

1289
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: him a better candidate. And made it so that Democrats

1290
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: were much more likely to succeed in the fall. So

1291
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a historical but understand why they believe

1292
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: that's the case and feel like it's too risky to

1293
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: allow any of this messy democratic choice into the equation.

1294
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: I have some numbers for the group. Let's put this

1295
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: up on the screen. I know there's a lot going

1296
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 2: on right now, but the latest ABC News survey, here's

1297
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: what we have, President Biden, issue by issue, twenty six

1298
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: percent approval on immigration minus forty four net approval rating

1299
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: twenty nine percent, approval on inflation minus forty, thirty two percent,

1300
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: approval on guns minus thirty three, thirty three percent, approval

1301
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: on crime minus thirty one, thirty three percent, approval on

1302
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: Iran minus twenty nine, thirty three, six percent, approval on

1303
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: economy minus twenty five, thirty nine percent, approval on climate

1304
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: change minus eighteen, thirty nine percent, approval on abortion minus nineteen,

1305
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: forty one percent, approval on Ukraine minus fifteen and forty

1306
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: one percent approval on Israel hamas so underwater basically on every.

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Speaker 4: Not basically issue, literally on.

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Speaker 3: Evil physic in case they didn't pull something, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what exactly would be.

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Speaker 2: Positive on, but for everyone that they asked about, hees

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Speaker 2: out a minus. You know, historically, something Jank has been

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Speaker 2: talking about in terms of his quixotic run. He's like, look,

1313
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: you know, nobody has ever won with these types of numbers.

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Speaker 2: He is full blown Jimmy Carter level now in the

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Speaker 2: thirties on the economy when you're running for reelection.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to you, sir, but luck.

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Speaker 1: But the best thing he's got going full trump is

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Speaker 1: Donald J.

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Speaker 4: Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing that he has going for him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it could work out. Like I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to put off the table, but I would not

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Speaker 1: go so far as to say, like, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: a dead.

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Speaker 4: Man wire, there's no way he can win reelection, etc.

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Speaker 14: Sorre.

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Speaker 4: You have a huge advantage if you're an incumbent president.

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Speaker 1: He's going up against an opponent who is also historically

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Speaker 1: unpopular and underwater on many many issues and facing criminal

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Speaker 1: charges and all of those sorts of things. So that's

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Speaker 1: really that's really what he's betting on, is that the

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Speaker 1: American people are more disgusted with Donald Trump than they

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Speaker 1: are with him.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's why it's fifty to fifty

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: chance still believe it.

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Speaker 3: Let's move onto the speakership.

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Speaker 2: Also reflects a lot of domestic consternation here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Extraordinary day.

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Speaker 2: There will be a vote for the speaker later today

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01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: on Tuesday counterpoints. We'll be able to break down all

1341
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: the actual results of that. The drama is very high

1342
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: here in Washington. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: Recall Jim Jordan, the current speaker designate in terms of

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01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: the Republican Coalition, who is still yet to get all

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Speaker 2: of the House of Representatives to vote for him. Is

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: currently has the quote majority of the votes in the Conference,

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean anything. He needs to lock down

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Speaker 2: all but five votes in the Republican Conference. Opposition, though

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01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: to Jim Jordan, stood in the thirties and forties as

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Speaker 2: of yesterday, until extraordinary things began to happen, Members like

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01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 2: Mike Rogers and others who had put out an wagner.

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Speaker 2: In particular, one representative who put out a letter saying

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01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: hell no, literally hell no, I will never vote for

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01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan came out and we're like, all right, fine,

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 2: I'll vote for j Jordan. And it's like Okay, why

1356
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: did you say Hell, no one in the first place, Lady,

1357
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: nobody asked you to do that. What's really come through

1358
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: is they're sick of it. They feel like they've gone

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01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: grone down. At this point, Steve Scalise had to withdraw

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: the McCarthy drama.

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Speaker 3: They can't do anything.

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01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: They basically just feel like, rhetorically, as long as Jordan

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: gives them, you know, something that they can hang their

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: hat on, they can vote for him. One area of

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01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: concern for us here on this show is about an

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Speaker 2: alleged secret deal that's been made. Let's put this up

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is from Julie Grace Buffby,

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: a old friend of mine. She says that GOP lawmakers

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01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: say that Jordan gave assurances on Israel Ukraine aid specifically

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Speaker 2: that he would allow the tying of the two together.

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Speaker 2: He was asked about this with Morning Crystal. He made

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Speaker 2: a comment where he didn't outright deny it. He just said, quote,

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01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: let's see, he just said, we need to take care

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Speaker 2: of Israel. That's basically what it boils down to. What

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01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: exactly that means. Nobody has any idea. The point is

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: is that a lot of deals are being made behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes. Nothing is in writing. Four people are claiming

1378
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: he made the deal. His spokespeople are denying it. They say, no,

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: we just talked about the prospect of getting Israel AID through.

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Speaker 2: But none of this does mean that he actually still

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01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: has the votes. As of right now when we are

1382
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: filming this segment, he has ten votes against him. Yeah,

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: and he's got to win back five.

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: So it's possible.

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Speaker 2: He certainly could do it, and he's got you know,

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01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: about six seven hours from when we're speaking right now

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Speaker 2: in order to do it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this Israel Ukraine AID

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01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: thing is solid. I feel like he may have told

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: people what they wanted to hear, but without like fully

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: saying or committed committing to it.

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 4: How seriously do they take that?

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01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: I think you're right soager that many people are just

1397
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: finding trying to find a way to get to yes.

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: The other thing is, like, for the Matt Gates of

1399
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: the world, if this deal is real and there really

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: is some you know, commitment to put Israel and Ukraine

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01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: AID together on the floor, like, what was this all about.

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 4: Matt Gates? What do you get actually getting out of

1403
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 4: this situation.

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: But in terms of who who this is, per Anny

1405
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: Gray or CNN. Right now, we've got five firm nos,

1406
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: Don Bacon, Mike Lawler, Mike Kelly, Carlos Menez, Mario Diaz,

1407
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: Billart Leaning, No, We've got an additional four, and then

1408
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: we've got four more who are undecided or not saying. So,

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, based on that, he does not have the

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: votes to get there on the first runch. What happens

1411
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: after that? What kind of deals are cut? Do people

1412
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: stay with him? Does another cannon emerge? Who knows? I

1413
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: mean on a meta level, like I sort of feel

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01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: like Jim Jordan makes perfect sense for this Republican caucus

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01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: at this time. I agree, because he has never passed

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01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: any legislation since he's been there, and this is a

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01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: caucus that, you know, not particularly interested in government.

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: Who cares.

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01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: He's got the right vibes this, Like, you know, Hugilistic

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01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: has tied himself very closely to Trump and gone along,

1421
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, Trump's greatest defender with regard to stop the

1422
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: steal and with regard to January. So he was all

1423
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: in on that, and that is certainly the character overwhelmingly

1424
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: of the Republican Caucus at this point. He is a

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: veteran of the you know, using shutdowns as blackmail and

1426
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: hostage taking to extract various ideological ends from the United

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01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: States government.

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01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 4: So and I also would say, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, there's another piece of this I've been trying to articulate,

1430
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,919
Speaker 1: like he also is a perfect embodiment of the distance

1431
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: between the original twenty sixteen Trump promise of like I'm

1432
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: going to govern differently and there are these populist elements

1433
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: that I'm genuinely going to embody in office and what

1434
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: it is now collapse to, which is mostly just like

1435
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: the you know, an asshole vibes. And Jim Jordan this

1436
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: is a guy who takes lots of money from like

1437
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: the big Republican you know, donor networks, the Coke Network,

1438
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1439
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 4: He talks a big talk on big tech, but.

1440
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: He's one of their biggest defenders when it comes to

1441
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: avoiding any sort of anti trust scourtiny, et cetera.

1442
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: So for all those reasons.

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like he's the perfect guy to

1444
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: represent the Republican Caucus at this point.

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan is basically a libertarian. That's the best way

1446
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: to understand it. He has his roots and we want

1447
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 2: to talk about this. Yeah, let's put this on the

1448
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: screen just for people who want to know about what

1449
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 2: to actually know about Jim Jordan in case you don't

1450
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: know who he is. He's been a fixture of Washington

1451
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: since he came here, especially a heightened during the Tea

1452
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: Party wave. He was one of the original people who

1453
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: would vote against Bayner. He was a thorn in the

1454
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: side of Paul Ryan, frequently wanted to shut down the government.

1455
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: He also, though with the really way he became a

1456
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: star was not on fiscal issues, Crystal, but it's through

1457
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: his investigations. So like Benghazi Committee, frequently appearing on Fox,

1458
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: always wanting to investigate Hillary. He was one of the

1459
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: main people behind a lot of Hillary investigations. He was

1460
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: one of the main defenders of Trump on Russiagate. Since then,

1461
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: he's become one of the main investigators on the Hunter

1462
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Speaker 2: Biden Committee.

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Speaker 3: So he is the perfect person because.

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: For me, and I mean people can go roll to

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01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: take the Dave McCarthy left, I was like, I think

1466
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, I think he's a dark horse. And the

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01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: reason why is, you know, he's got the credibility with

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01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: the Freedom Caucus base. They also have been ground down

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: all of their opponents and the quote unquote moderates because

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01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: they're sick of it. They just want to get to work.

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Speaker 2: The Freedom Caucus is happy to hold out as long

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Speaker 2: as they want to go.

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Speaker 4: Definitionally a bunch of species. They don't stand up for anything, the.

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: Don't believe what so Jim Jordan, Yeah, I mean I

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: think he's the perfect candidate really for this caucus. Also,

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01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: he's got the backing of Trump, so he's got person

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01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: with the base on his side. He's got the full

1478
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: scale Trump endorsement now at this point, although do remember

1479
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: that they initially voted for Steve Scalice, which was still

1480
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: pretty embarrassing for Trump, even if he does end up

1481
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: getting there. It's like, it's pretty it's pretty bad that

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01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: the majority of the caucus was not willing to follow

1483
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: your rules. But you know, Trump, the Trump endorsement I

1484
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: can't hurt at this point. Also, what I have heard,

1485
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: Crystal is that there is now going to mount a

1486
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: campaign against people who do stand up against him. One

1487
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 2: of the few holdouts in terms of primary money. Calls

1488
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: are being made. They're like, we need to wrap this up.

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: And if you stand up and you vote against Jim somebody,

1490
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: like if you know, mount some if you mount some

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01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: Nancy Mace type thing against him, You're going to pay

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: a price. And the reason why I think that's significant

1493
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: is because Jordan has the affection of the bass in

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: a way that McCarthy never had. They always had like

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01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: a very middling view of him, And same with Scalise.

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: To be honest, like he has been a fixture of

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01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: these people's televisions for over a decade. You can't underestimate

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01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: how powerful that is.

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Speaker 1: He has understood from the beginning the power of theater.

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: He's very good at it, you know, the like theatrical

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: partisan posturing favorite of Fox News, as evidenced by this,

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01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: actually really is something. So one of the people who

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,799
Speaker 1: apparently has been trying to whip votes in his direction

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01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: is John Hannity.

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 1: Apparently emails went out to some holdowns, at least one

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: from a producer at the Hannity Show.

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01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 4: Let me read you this whole thing in full.

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01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: Hello Stephanie from the Hannity Show with Fox News your horses,

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: tell Hannity that representative redacted is not supporting Jim Jordan

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: for Speaker. Can you please let me know if this

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: is accurate and if true, Hannity would like to know

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01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: why during a war breaking out between Israel and hamas

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: with the war in Ukraine, with the wide open borders,

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01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: with a budget that's unfit finished, why would this representative

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01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: be against Jim Jordan for Speaker.

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01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 4: Please let us.

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: Know when Representative Ax plans on opening the People's House

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01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: so work can be done. Lastly, there are there any

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Speaker 1: conditions Representative Acts will choose to work with Democrats on

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Speaker 1: the process of electing a new speaker. The deadline for

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Speaker 1: comment is eleven am Eastern tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. So pressure being applied.

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Speaker 1: Directly from Sean Hannity and his producer over at the

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Speaker 1: Fox News network. And you know, I mean they have

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Speaker 1: some sway too. Fox News is not what they used

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Speaker 1: to be, but a lot of these low level members

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Speaker 1: of Congress whatever like they're desperate to get their cable

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Speaker 1: news hits. It's important for them for their clout, for

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Speaker 1: their fundraising.

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Speaker 4: Et cetera. And so when you have one of the.

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Speaker 1: Highest rated primetime hosts coming for you and implying all

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Speaker 1: kinds of pressure demanding answers on why you're not supporting

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan for speaker.

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Speaker 4: That's really something.

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Speaker 2: Yep, you're exactly right. It is absolutely shocking, really see that,

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Speaker 2: but not still telling I think in terms of how

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Speaker 2: the base is now, in terms of expectations, Let's be clear,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to win. I have

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Speaker 2: absolutely zero idea whether he'll be able to get the

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Speaker 2: votes because the margin is so so thin you only

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Speaker 2: need five people to hold out. Democrats certainly aren't going

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Speaker 2: to save Jim Jordan. They can't stand him. So where

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Speaker 2: things are, I don't know. It could go to multiple

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Speaker 2: ballots like they did with Speaker McCarthy. This will be

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Speaker 2: the seventeenth speaker vote on the floor of the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives, which is pretty crazy. Yeah, you know, it

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Speaker 2: hasn't happened in more than a century here in Washington.

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Speaker 2: So stay tuned. Counterpoints will have a full coverage on.

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Speaker 3: What about O Way.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually filling in for Ryan tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about that. Yeah, okay, me.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Luis. We'll break it all down for you.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: We're following a very all right, So we wanted to

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Speaker 1: keep our eye on some of the state and big

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Speaker 1: tech efforts to censor dissident views on Israel and Palestine, and.

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Speaker 4: An important report about.

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Speaker 1: What meta slash Facebook, slash Instagram, slash WhatsApp is doing

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Speaker 1: in this regard.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. This from the New

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Speaker 4: York Times.

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Speaker 1: They say social media users accuse Facebook and Instagram of

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Speaker 1: suppressing pro Palestinian post Thousands Ofstinian supporters say their posts

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Speaker 1: have been suppressed or removed from Facebook and Instagram, even

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Speaker 1: if the messages don't break the platform's rules meta They

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Speaker 1: are claiming, oh that this was all because of some

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Speaker 1: accidental bug in the company system, In particular messages of

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Speaker 1: support for Palestinian civilians who have been displaced, injured, or

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Speaker 1: killed by Israeli airstrikes. Those were being hidden from the platforms,

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Speaker 1: according to users. Some people have reported Facebook suppressed accounts

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Speaker 1: that called for peaceful protests and cities around the US,

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Speaker 1: including planned sit ins in the San Francisco Bay area

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, and The New York Times confirmed that

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Speaker 1: one hashtag Zionist Stagram, which was attached to post critical

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Speaker 1: of instagram suppression of pro Palestinian content, appeared to be

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Speaker 1: temporarily quashed over the weekend, so when you search for

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Speaker 1: that hashtag, according to the Times, no results were returned whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Users were so frustrated by this that they took to

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Speaker 1: like replying in the comment section of like Beyonce posts

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Speaker 1: about this going back and forth because their posts that

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Speaker 1: they were trying to put on the platform were getting

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Speaker 1: quashed and pulled down and suppressed, et cetera. So you

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Speaker 1: couple this with the report we brought you yesterday about

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Speaker 1: the fact that Meta you know who who's worked with

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government in the past, took down a Palestinian

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Speaker 1: news network off of their platforms entirely. And I think

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Speaker 1: it is not hard to believe that there has been

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Speaker 1: significant suppression of any sort of pro Palaestinine post on

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Speaker 1: the platform.

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Speaker 2: And that's why, first of all, I mean, in some

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Speaker 2: ways I wish we'd nuke all policy on Instagrams because

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Speaker 2: it's so annoying. I don't believe that, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: in that, So we're going to have to allow it.

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Speaker 2: You know, even the brother in law's get comments on

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Speaker 2: some of these things. And if we're going to have that,

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Speaker 2: then you can't be put in your finger. You know

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Speaker 2: on the scale in terms of in terms of sharing content.

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Speaker 2: And the real issue I had with this was it

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Speaker 2: wasn't people being like pro Hamas. It's just people who

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Speaker 2: are pro Palestinian statehood, right, and so that is.

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Speaker 4: There for peaceful protest.

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Speaker 2: You cannot conflate the two. And also, we live in

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Speaker 2: the United States of America. People are allowed to say

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Speaker 2: whatever they want, or at least they should be. And

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Speaker 2: so with this, you know, with the suppression, especially behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes, it highlights the most pernicious form of censorship,

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Speaker 2: which is the shadow banning, the suppression, the things where

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Speaker 2: you have to rely on reports which are obvious but

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Speaker 2: which cannot be proven. And look, we all know what's

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Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes. You and I see it

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Speaker 2: every day here on YouTube. In terms of what we

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Speaker 2: have to operate with. We've designed our business in such

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Speaker 2: a way. But forordinary citizens, they have no idea and

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Speaker 2: they just think like, oh, I guess that one didn't

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Speaker 2: resonate or something like that, until a critical mass of

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Speaker 2: them come together and they're like, no, actually, something actually

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Speaker 2: super weird.

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Speaker 5: Is going on here.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you know, then you feel like a crazy person

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Speaker 2: because you'll never be able to prove it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just to make the broader meta point

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Speaker 1: like zooming out from how you feel about this issue,

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Speaker 1: which very emotional issue. Number one, free speech only matters

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Speaker 1: when it is tense and when it is contract yeah's true.

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Speaker 1: So that's number one. Number two, this is the reason why,

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Speaker 1: wherever you are in the political spectrum, why you should

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Speaker 1: care about these issues.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you should care about the principle.

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Speaker 1: Regardless, but you know, anytime you are challenging predominant you

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Speaker 1: held by very powerful people, you are likely to have

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Speaker 1: big tech companies. And also we covered overt state censorship

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Speaker 1: like completely banning protests in France and Germany, which is

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Speaker 1: absolutely insane, but you are, you know, very likely to

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Speaker 1: see that. And if we don't take a stand against it,

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Speaker 1: even when it's on an issue that you disagree with,

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Speaker 1: if it ends up just being partisan and we're only

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Speaker 1: picking and choosing which censorship we care about.

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Speaker 4: We are never going to make any progress on this issue.

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Speaker 1: So that's one piece there was we also wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring you this was kind of extraordinary. So there were

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Speaker 1: hundreds of American Jews who protested in front of the

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Speaker 1: White House yesterday in favor of a ceasefire in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: and fifty of them were arrested. Actually they were blocking

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Speaker 1: some areas, is what the police were saying. We sent

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Speaker 1: our own producer Mac down to this protest. He was

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Speaker 1: able to get some footage. He also ended up being

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Speaker 1: I don't know what is shoved by the police, kind of.

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Speaker 2: Got shoved by proxy, treated badly by the police, treated

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Speaker 2: service specifically.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, but let's take a look at He was

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Speaker 1: able to interview one of the participants about why he's there.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look at that.

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Speaker 18: He goes Elvis Rock and I'm a member of if

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Speaker 18: not Now And so what motivated you guys to come

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Speaker 18: out here today to do this protest? Speaking for myself,

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Speaker 18: personally motivated me was a real feeling of urgency that

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Speaker 18: given what's happening in the Middle East, that.

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Speaker 2: There's a real need to.

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Speaker 18: Prevent the mass killing in goz And and a real

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Speaker 18: desire to see safety for Jews in Palsenians, the return

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Speaker 18: of hostages being helped une from us.

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Speaker 5: That's the most important thing.

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Speaker 19: So what do you think that Israel's response after the

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Speaker 19: Hamas attack should be in the best world?

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Speaker 20: You know, I'm not here to speak on policy, but

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Speaker 20: what I can say is that from a personal point

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Speaker 20: of view, as someone who has friends and family living

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Speaker 20: in Israel, I deeply want a future of Jewish safety,

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Speaker 20: and I believe that demands peace and security with Palacinians,

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Speaker 20: not for their bloodshed and planted botans. Is there any

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Speaker 20: any other last message you'd like to give the President Biden?

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Speaker 20: That the urgency of this movement is immense, that the

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Speaker 20: stakes of this movement, as I am sure he's all knows,

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Speaker 20: are enormous, and that as Jews and as Americans, for

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Speaker 20: our shafety, we want to need to cease fire implemented

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Speaker 20: right now, and that he ensures the shape for tournaments.

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Speaker 1: Really so you can see the message that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to bring there in front of the White House.

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Speaker 4: Fairly significant show of support here in d C.

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Speaker 1: Mac was also able to get some footage of the protesters,

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Speaker 1: and he also was recording like a champ as he

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Speaker 1: gets shoved by this cop out of the way.

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Speaker 4: We have that on video. Let's take a look at this.

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Speaker 21: See fire now fire now fire now fire now fire

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Speaker 21: now fire now.

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Speaker 2: That's what you call it, true pro somebody shoved into

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Speaker 2: you aggressively for literally no reason. I mean, you don't

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Speaker 2: say make a sound, you don't protest, you pick up

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Speaker 2: the camera and you keep recording.

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Speaker 3: So props to him. Really, that takes a lot of

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Speaker 3: composure for anyone who's situation.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's incredibly terrible. Yeah, incredibly intense and stressful, and

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Speaker 1: you can just see it's very fraud I mean, I

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: think that's what really comes out here. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as I said, there were about fifty protesters who were

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Speaker 1: arrested as part of that action.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We brought you some of the protests that have been

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Speaker 1: mounted around the world in Europe, here in the US,

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01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: and also of course across the Middle East, which I

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01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: think is also a really significant part of this.

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01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: I mean, for that protest and will look once again,

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 2: like let's be clear, I'm not saying it reflects the

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01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: majority of public opinion. It doesn't even necessarily reflect Jewish opinion.

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Speaker 2: But the only point is to show you not everything

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01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: is monolith. There are different voices out there, and there

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Speaker 2: were a lot of people out there last night yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of them were Jewish, and I think

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Speaker 2: that was one of the main reasons why it was

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01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: genuinely significant. That area that they were blocking is the

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Speaker 2: staff and press entrance for people who work in the

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Speaker 2: White House, and so you know, it definitely was.

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Speaker 3: It was hurt I think by the people.

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Speaker 2: There, and that's at least something, And it's different than

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01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 2: a lot of what people are going to tell you

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01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: about how people feel, which is why we wanted.

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Speaker 18: To cover it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and mac is all he's.

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Speaker 2: Good, by the way, We immediate for the first thing.

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Speaker 2: We didn't care about the fog. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: like telling what's going on? Sentence that all right? Like

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Speaker 2: in terms of that once again, absolute professional, Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for helping us pay him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, yes, indeed, all right, we also had

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you this is really wild. The

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Speaker 1: official israel government account, pushing back on Jiji Hadid for

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Speaker 1: sharing a very mild post, by the way, that was

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Speaker 1: somewhat critical of the Israeli government, got and put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: This is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: So what she posted is there is nothing Jewish about

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians. Condemning the Israeli government

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Speaker 1: is not antisemitic, and supporting Palestinians is not supporting Humas,

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Speaker 1: So the State of Israel official Instagram account replied, Hi, Gigi,

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Speaker 1: this next story is for you.

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Speaker 4: Have you been sleeping the past week? Are you just.

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: Fine turning a blind eye to Jewish babies being butchered

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: in their homes? Your silence has been very clear about

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01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: where you stand. We see you if you don't condemn this,

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01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: and it's a horrific picture of you know, a blood

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01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 1: splattered floor in a child's bedroom. This your words mean nothing.

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01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, she did very clearly condemn the

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Speaker 1: Hamas attacks and you know, was outraged by it. But

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01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,839
Speaker 1: it is wild to see the government of Israel coming

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Speaker 1: at Gadeed or any random celebrity.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what said, all right, and it doesn't matter.

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01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: Why are we clapping back as a government account on Instagram?

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: This is insanity. It's like why we're posting stories now?

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01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: Like what is this makeup tutorial drama? I mean, like literally,

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01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:56,879
Speaker 2: this is how children act.

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01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 4: On I'll tell you why.

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01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: Because they don't want anyone with prominence to you know,

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01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: paint a different picture than what they want painted. And

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01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, it really is emotional blackmail. I mean, one

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01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: atrocity does not justify another. And that's the bottom line here.

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01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: So she could condemn Hamas all day long, but if

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Speaker 1: she says anything about hey, Palestinian civilians, then suddenly, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're a terror sympathizer and you don't care about the

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Speaker 1: dad jois face a social blackmail.

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Speaker 2: It appears to be now a policy by the Israeli

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Speaker 2: government one. By the way, I would certainly advise against

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Speaker 2: where they are sending government ministers to call out celebrities

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Speaker 2: for their silence.

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Speaker 22: Let's take a listen and hug and all these women

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Speaker 22: organizations that are staying silent right now.

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Speaker 23: By the way, I've never saw.

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Speaker 22: So many feminists being silent at the same time. The

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Speaker 22: only time they are so silent is when a Jewish

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Speaker 22: woman or Israeli woman is being raped or murdered. But

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Speaker 22: I guess antisemitism is much more hard than feminism in

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Speaker 22: this time.

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Speaker 23: But those celebrities like I saw Oprah Winfrey for for

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01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 23: formatters that sat Jennifer anistone, all these, all these celebrities

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Speaker 23: that stay silent and always talk about women's rights, where

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01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 23: are you when women's rights are being brutally, brutally, brutally

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Speaker 23: attacked in a democracy? This is not just a fight

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Speaker 23: for Israel. This is a fight for the rest.

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Speaker 22: Of the Jewish around question, may let me ask your question.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask your question.

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Speaker 3: So that is May Golan.

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Speaker 2: She's the Minister for the Advancement of the Status of

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Speaker 2: Women in Israel. Okay, commender. I guess for her job.

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01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 2: But why Here's the thing, at least I guess in

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Speaker 2: the g GI case she said something and then criticizing it.

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01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 2: This one is you have not posted anything. Why is

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Speaker 2: a foreign government demanding Oprah speak out?

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Speaker 3: And Jennifer and Jennifer Hanerson.

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Speaker 2: Also considering Oprah's response to Maui, you don't want Oprah

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Speaker 2: to be on her side?

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Speaker 3: Let me just say that.

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennifer gives a.

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Speaker 3: Ship with Jeffer answer to that.

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Speaker 1: Who hasn't said you want them to say? It's like

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Speaker 1: Michael Tracy.

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Speaker 4: I have to quote him.

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Speaker 1: He said, Israeli government minister bitterly attacks feminist organizations and

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Speaker 1: celebrities like Oprah and Jennifer Aniston for their silence on muss.

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01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: If only these random American celebrities supported Israeli military operations

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Speaker 1: more vociferously, the problem would be solved.

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Speaker 2: I was also wondering on Jennifer Aniston. I'm like, is

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Speaker 2: she Jewish? But I mean, from based on what I

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01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: can tell, yeah, it doesn't look like she.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what.

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Speaker 4: All this was noted that she hadn't said whatever they

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Speaker 4: wanted her.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is part of it. Apparently this is what

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Speaker 2: you love through Google. I was like, Jennifer Anderston and Jewish.

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01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Apparently she liked an Instagram post by Jamie Fox that

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Speaker 2: some people called anti semitic from a while ago, where

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Speaker 2: he posted a message about Jesus being killed hashtag fake friends,

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01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: hashtag fake love. I have no idea what that is,

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01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: but that appears to me the extent to which Jennifer

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Speaker 2: Andison they're throwing a like on this freaking face.

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Speaker 1: I personally would like for Americans celebrities to stay silenced

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01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: on far more issues. I mean, we had both Justin

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01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: Bieber and Jamie Lee Kurtiz sharing things that they thought

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: were Israel and we're really Palestine, and I mean, just

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01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: making an absolute mess of this. Amy Schumer is a

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01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: whole other story with all of this. So I don't

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01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: know why we need to look to these people for

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01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: world leadership and guidance on any issue.

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Speaker 3: Jiji Hadid.

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Speaker 2: She's Palestinian, right, Okay, she could speak is a gal Gado.

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01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: I think wonder Woman, same thing, She's Israeli fine, whatever.

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01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: Now I think Natalie Portman too. I think she's just

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01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 2: really fine. You know, these people, they're literally citizens of

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Speaker 2: the country. Say whatever you want. I totally understand it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Oprah, we need Oprah to weigh in here,

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01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 2: we need Je Prasston to weigh in here. It's like,

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01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: what are we doing? And it just makes him look

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01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 2: ridiculous to be honest. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also just in terms of the arrogance, which is

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01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 2: always your me nuts about this, It's like, you do

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01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: not tell us what to say. We will say whatever

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01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: we want in this country, at least for now. It's like,

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Speaker 2: where do you have the goal to be going one

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01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,480
Speaker 2: on television, also on British television and then demanding.

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Speaker 1: The America as a celebrity.

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Speaker 3: Who's a good British celebrity like Tom Huddleson or whatever.

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01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, have him speak out, Okay, like at least grant you, Grant,

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01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: I do love you.

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01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 3: And Colin Firth. You know my heart, my heart belongs

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01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 3: to Colin.

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Speaker 2: He's a great guy. But anyway, yeah, just completely ridiculous

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01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: and just you know, show further the insanity of where

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Speaker 2: we are. I feel like we're right back to canceling

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01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 2: Russian tennis players for playing in Wimbledon or oh there's

1852
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 2: been some.

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01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: Of that too, of like canceling Palestinian poets or whatever

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01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: different events around the world. It's just outright xenophobic. And

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Speaker 1: we said the same thing when this was happening with Russia,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, it continues to happen with Russia.

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Speaker 1: I think the tennis players are now allowed to play again,

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Speaker 1: but they don't have their flags next to them, and

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01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just nonsense virtue signaling that doesn't

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Speaker 1: solve any problem.

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Speaker 2: I told you yesterday about the Russian Uzbek restaurant, which

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01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 2: literally took the name Russian out of it.

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Speaker 3: It's Russian cuisine. It's not about Russia, it's about the

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Speaker 3: actual food.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what's the whole point of going there? Also,

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Speaker 2: Uzbek food no offense, doesn't sound as enticing Russian newsback Now, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Interested right separate the people from their governments, please, I

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Speaker 1: mean no one should have more interest in that than

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01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Americans who have had their government do all kinds of

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Speaker 1: things in our name that we haven't necessarily.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's a great point.

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Speaker 2: How many times have you been abroad and some arrogant,

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01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: annoying European makes a comment about the Iraq War and

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01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, dude, I didn't support the Iraq War.

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01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, well, you want to talk.

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01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: About French or Portuguese like slave trade. No, because we're

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01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 2: not all reflections of what our governments do. All right,

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01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: let's move on to Ukraine. Lots going on. We brought

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01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 2: you the news previously that President Zelenski wanted to visit

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01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 2: Israel in a quote show of support. Some might interpret

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01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 2: it that way. Others might interpret it as a way

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01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: to keep his name in the headlines and to make

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01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 2: sure that the world doesn't forget about him. Well, it

1884
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 2: turns out in Israel they read it the latter way.

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01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. Israel has

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01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: turned down Zelenski's request to make a quote solidarity visit.

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Speaker 3: It's just not the right time.

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01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 2: Ukraine's leader was interested in joining Anthony Blincoln on his

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01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:08,440
Speaker 2: Israel last visit last week. I once again the arrogance

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Speaker 2: to think that Ukraine a nation which has no industry

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01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 2: of its own at this point, which has no money

1892
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 2: of its own, no weapons, no ammunition, should accompany the

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01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 2: United States Secretary of State to Israel to try and

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01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 2: broker peace. That is outrate. What do you have to

1895
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: say about what's going on in Israel? What are your

1896
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 2: relations or whatever whatever it comes to the Egyptians or

1897
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 2: the Jordan or any of this. This is not a

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01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: role for a nation who is allegedly, you know, in

1899
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 2: the fight of its life for an existential threat.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you bother yourself with that?

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01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: But the reason why he's bothering himself or even trying

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01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,759
Speaker 2: to insert himself in all of this is specifically because

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01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: he understands that Israel has directly now drawn international attention,

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01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: but most importantly Western attention, from what is going on

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01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: inside of Ukraine. And I'm actually been thinking a lot

1906
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 2: about this, and I don't want this to sound too nasty,

1907
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 2: but a lot of liberals over the last two years

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01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 2: have been trying to make the case that the fight

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01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 2: for Ukraine is about democracy, The fight for Ukraine is

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01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 2: bigger than us. It's like the most important thing going

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01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 2: on in the world. And look how quickly crystal they

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01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 2: have completely switched over to becoming Israel Palestine experts, how

1913
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: quickly or their attention has turned. And here's the truth

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01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 2: that I think people in Ukraine should understand. They never

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01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: really cared about you. It was all part of a

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01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: bizarre psychodrama that they were happening in their own heads,

1917
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: play acting war online by putting Ukraine flag in their

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Speaker 2: bio and taking a revenge on Vladimir Putin for Russia Gate,

1919
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 2: and the moment that their attention goes away, it's fickle.

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01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 2: People have found out many times how fickle the interests

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01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 2: of upper middle class liberals are. And I think it's

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01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: actually unfortunate those of our people like me who oppose

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01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 2: Ukraine Aid. From the beginning. At least I was honest

1924
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 2: about what I thought about the conflict. We were honest

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01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 2: about the stakes. We were honest that we could feel

1926
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,799
Speaker 2: bad for you, but we used to prioritize our own interests.

1927
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: We at least did not deceive you that you were

1928
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: the most important things. And you know, it's probably very

1929
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 2: hard to digest for people inside Kiev because they have

1930
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 2: been you know, are Keiev. I apologize for people they've

1931
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 2: been led to believe that Americans and many you know,

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01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 2: the government and all those truly you know, thought this

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01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: was the most important thing. When the truth was is

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01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 2: it was just you know, the current thing of the time.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably very painful, but let's be honest

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Speaker 2: here what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have a much more charitable take in

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01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: terms of the people themselves and their care and concern

1939
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: for Ukrainians because it's to me, it's much more about

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01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: the groups that the media and the government choose to

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01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: provide humanity, to choose to center in their suffering. You know, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of suffering going on around the world.

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01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: We always talked about this with regard to the warren Yemen. Yes,

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01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: you know that suffering, which was the worst humanitarian crisis

1945
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 1: on the entire planet. You know, you didn't see people

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01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: with Yemen flags, not because they you know, hate Yemen

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Speaker 1: or don't care.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't put on the news.

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01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know anything about it.

1950
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 4: You didn't see those people.

1951
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: They were invisibilized intentionally, so because it was inconvenient for

1952
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,879
Speaker 1: us with regard to our relationship with our big ally

1953
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, and so the Ukrainians were given, you know,

1954
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: allowed to be have their suffering centered and their humanity featured.

1955
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Americans felt an outpouring of you know,

1956
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:44,919
Speaker 1: desire to help them, and that was that was genuine.

1957
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: And you see the same thing with Israel, where you know,

1958
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: the Israelis who suffered truly this horrific atrocity which has

1959
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: shaken their you know, sense of safety and stability and

1960
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: their view of the world, and you know, the conflict

1961
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: in their own region has shaken to the core, and

1962
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 1: this horrific loss of human life. And you know that

1963
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: humanity is featured and centered, and people care greatly about it,

1964
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: really genuinely care deeply about it. But the lives of

1965
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: the Palestinians over many years have been you know, really invisiblized.

1966
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Now we're seeing a few images coming out as you

1967
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 1: see this, you know, the siege taking place, the indiscriminate bombing,

1968
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of reporting on that, but

1969
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,799
Speaker 1: it pales in comparison to the way that the suffering

1970
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: of the Israelis is treated and has been completely invisible

1971
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: over many years, as they've been you know, dealing with violence,

1972
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: violence from Jewish settlers, you know, the occupation of their land,

1973
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: the illegal settlements, the blockade that has turned Gaza into

1974
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, just a truly you know, miserable place where

1975
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 1: fifty percent of people are unemployed and most overwhelmingly live

1976
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: on poverty and rely on international aid and all of that. So,

1977
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's this is actually a point I have

1978
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: to say, Vivek has been making about which tragedies the

1979
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:00,719
Speaker 1: media convinces us to care about.

1980
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 4: The perfect examples is of Afghanistan.

1981
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: Yes, at times we're told we care about it, the

1982
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: women and girls and you and finds withdrawing and we're

1983
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: so worried about their future, and then once we're gone,

1984
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,799
Speaker 1: it's just over. And as the American government has denied,

1985
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, Afghanistan, this isn't the whole of the problem,

1986
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: but denied them some of their own money to help

1987
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: deal with a horrific you know, collapsing economy, et cetera. Well,

1988
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: now we don't care about that suffering anymore. It's invisible.

1989
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: So that's why these things, these things are a real

1990
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: choice in terms of the coverage and whose humanity is

1991
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,440
Speaker 1: featured and who is allowed to receive sympathy of the American.

1992
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 2: But that's why I'm not as charitable crystal, because I

1993
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: saw it with Afghanistan, and we see it with the

1994
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 2: Krant and this is the other thing. What's more cruel

1995
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 2: to convince somebody that you truly support them and then

1996
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 2: immediately just turn your back on them and just pretend

1997
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: that all the last things that you never said, or

1998
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: to look them straight in the face even when it's

1999
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with me, like listen, I'm sorry, we.

2000
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 3: Have lived in the real world.

2001
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a great line from Moneyball, would you

2002
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: rather have a bullet to the chest or five to

2003
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: the sorry, bullet to the head or five to the

2004
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 2: chest and bleed out? And that, to me is just

2005
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 2: a really gross and sick way of like heroizing them

2006
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 2: and thinking them that you're gonna be there of them forever,

2007
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 2: when A that's not politically tenable and not realistic, but

2008
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 2: B you're just gonna switch immediately.

2009
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 3: All of Washington has completely looked away.

2010
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Russia could I don't even know what they

2011
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,759
Speaker 2: could do right now in Ukraine, and let's be honest,

2012
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Congress and all these other people with Ukraine flags and

2013
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 2: lapel pins and all this stuff, they're not gonna do

2014
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 2: anything because they're focused on Israel. I just think that

2015
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 2: that's more disgusting, like you said about women and girls. Yes, look,

2016
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 2: I'm it's abhorrent what the Taliban does to women and

2017
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 2: girls in Afghanistan. My position from the day one is

2018
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 2: that's Afghanistan's problem. As much as I and mesags and

2019
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 2: makes me sad, was never gonna bs the Afghan women

2020
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: or the Afghan NGOs or any of that that we're

2021
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 2: willing to send American troops to fight and die in

2022
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 2: order to secure their place in school.

2023
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's not worth it.

2024
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: Well, but here's the other thing, is like we made

2025
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: things so much worse for the women and girls over ore,

2026
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: like Middle Eastern adventures and attempts at completely failed hubristic

2027
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 1: attempts at democracy building. So there also needs to be

2028
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: a lot of humility about what we're actually able to

2029
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: accomplish and what works and what is a complete dramatic failure.

2030
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: There's also been just you know, incredible, in your face

2031
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: hypocrisy with regard to how Russian war crimes are viewed

2032
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 1: versus how Israeli war crimes are viewed. These are so

2033
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: blatant that even Jake Tapper over at CNN took note

2034
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: and was pressing National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on but

2035
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,839
Speaker 1: take a listen to how Tony Blinken was talking about

2036
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Russia when they were messing with the energy, messing with

2037
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: the electricity.

2038
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 6: Take a listen he water electricity, for children, for the elderly,

2039
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 6: for the sick.

2040
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 5: These are President Putin's new targets. He's hitting them hard.

2041
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 6: This brutalization of Ukraine's people is barbaric.

2042
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Id have really heard that when it comes to Israel

2043
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 1: turning off the electricity and weaponizing it and collective punishment, etc.

2044
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: He wasn't the only one put this up on the screen.

2045
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: This is from Ursula Vanderline is the head of the EU.

2046
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: She says, Russia's attacks against civilian infrastructure, especially electricity.

2047
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 4: Are war crimes.

2048
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating

2049
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: with winter coming, these are acts of pure terror, and

2050
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: we have to call it as such.

2051
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 4: Again.

2052
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: Suddenly, when it's Israel and it's America's ally, we don't

2053
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: hear quite the same language with this regret.

2054
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why it just annoyed me the entire time. Autocracy, democracy,

2055
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 2: you know this, and then high ideals. America is a

2056
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,839
Speaker 2: conation like any others. We should look out for our interests.

2057
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes that requires dealing with horrible people well sometimes better

2058
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: off than the alternative. See my past comments about Saddam

2059
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 2: Hussein or other stable regimes. You can either choose to

2060
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 2: operate that way, or you can operate purely from a

2061
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 2: realm of international humanitarian rights. You know, international human rights,

2062
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: and you know of the laws of war and all

2063
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 2: this other. Personally, I just think that's stupid. I don't

2064
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 2: think that that's realistic. It's too idealistic. It's not possible,

2065
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: and so we should just forget, you know, trying to

2066
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 2: operate this way and instead, though, we try to have

2067
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 2: it both ways, where we're best friends with Saudi Arabia

2068
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll sit by and we'll will co

2069
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 2: sign some of what's going on here, but then use

2070
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 2: it as a rhetorical weapon against people who are our

2071
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 2: alleged enemies. And then, by the way, you know, you

2072
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 2: think they don't know this in Moscow, you know, I

2073
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 2: used to talk crystal with some people who would have

2074
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 2: bilateral meetings with the North Koreans, and they'd be like, hey,

2075
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 2: just give.

2076
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 3: Up the nukes.

2077
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 2: We're not you know, it's all good and they would

2078
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 2: just look at us and be like, that's what you

2079
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 2: told Gadafi?

2080
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 3: Why should we believe you? Can you blame them?

2081
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2082
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 19: Can you?

2083
01:39:58,280 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 3: How can you blame them?

2084
01:39:59,400 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 15: Or?

2085
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 2: For example, sometimes I knew a guy once who would

2086
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 2: sit across from very very high level Chinese diplomats, and

2087
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 2: every time he would try and bring up Taiwan or

2088
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 2: the rules based order or any of that, they would

2089
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 2: smirk at him and they would just say, how did

2090
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 2: that work out for Iraq? The same thing happened there

2091
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: was a bilateral meeting with President Bush I believe, and

2092
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 2: Putin in Moscow or it was somewhere in the world,

2093
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 2: and Bush was bringing up, you know, democracies, like you

2094
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 2: should have more democracy in your country, and Putin laughed

2095
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 2: at him and he said, we don't want the type

2096
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 2: of democracy that you have given as a gift to Iraq.

2097
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 3: It's like, we can have it two way.

2098
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 2: We can have it one way, or we can have

2099
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:38,680
Speaker 2: it the other way, but otherwise we just look like

2100
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,520
Speaker 2: complete and totally totals.

2101
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 3: Why bothers me so much that.

2102
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 2: We continue to use this when it's convenient and then

2103
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 2: we forget it whenever it's not.

2104
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 4: And it's so hypocritical when we try.

2105
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: You've got this whole genre of very highly paid and

2106
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: famous journalists in DC who do the whole international rules

2107
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: based order dance when it suits them on Ukraine, and

2108
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 1: now suddenly they don't have much to say about the

2109
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: international rules based order when it comes to Israel and

2110
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 1: what they're doing in Gaza right now. So yeah, like,

2111
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: either actually be consistent and actually hold even your friends

2112
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: and your allies to a certain standard, actually believe in

2113
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: the international rules based order, actually poled it yourself in

2114
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: your own actions abroad, which we have really never done.

2115
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 4: Or be honest about your interests, what you're doing, why

2116
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 4: you're doing it.

2117
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: But spare me this bs about you care so much

2118
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: about that Afghan women and girls, You cared that Ukraine

2119
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: is a fight for democracy in the civilized world, et cetera,

2120
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: et cetera. That's not why you're doing what you're doing,

2121
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:42,799
Speaker 1: So cut the bullshit.

2122
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 2: Probably a good segue to a bizarre experience some other bullshit,

2123
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 2: all right.

2124
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 4: Also, let me give you a little bit of a setup.

2125
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: Soccer hasn't watched this yet, so we're gonna get the reactctionally. So,

2126
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: someone I've known for a long time works over at

2127
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: News Nation hows me to come on Leland Vittert's show,

2128
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: and I just know him as like he was like

2129
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: one of the reasonable people at Fox who basically got

2130
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: fired for not being willing to go along with Trump's

2131
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he got fired, but he left whatever,

2132
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: he's out because my impression is because of that.

2133
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, that could be fine.

2134
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: It's close to you know, it's not inconvenient at the time, works,

2135
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: let's do it. So I get the topics are very straightforward.

2136
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: It's like Biden's age and Jim Jordan as a potential speaker. Okay,

2137
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 1: easy political topics, no big deal, Let's go for it.

2138
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: So I get to the studio and I see.

2139
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 4: On the sheet that the guests before me is John Bolton.

2140
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm all right, that's awkward that we're going

2141
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: to go from John Bolton doing whatever John Bolton is

2142
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: doing to me on like Jim Jordan and these like,

2143
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 1: you know.

2144
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 4: Surface level political topics.

2145
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: But then they did like a bait and switch and

2146
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: come into the segment rather than talking about is rather

2147
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: than talking about Jim Jordan and Biden's age or whatever,

2148
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 1: going into Iranian policy in the Middle East, which, to

2149
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: be honest with you, after I heard the setup and

2150
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: how just like blood thirsty it was, and how much

2151
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: John Bolden was pushing directly for war with Iran, I

2152
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: was actually kind of relieved because I wanted the chance

2153
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: to push back on that. So anyway, I don't think

2154
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: it went the way that they expected, didn't go the

2155
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: way I expected. But here's what happened. The trip to

2156
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Israel is a massive risk, given that our huge ally

2157
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: that he has said unequivocally that he stands behind and

2158
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 1: has a right to defend themselves, and they're trying to

2159
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:25,600
Speaker 1: rush aid to et cetera, et cetera, is in the

2160
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: midst of committing what the UN describes as war crimes,

2161
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 1: including a medieval siege. I think that the war that

2162
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: you and Ambassador Bolton seem very anxious to get us

2163
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: into in Iran would be obviously a political catastrophe for the.

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Speaker 7: President or anybody interested in a war.

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Speaker 1: John Bolton seems very interested in war with Iran, and

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Speaker 1: not to mention, has always been interested in war with Iran.

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Speaker 1: They're getting us directly into World War three. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know about his policy on Iran. But I see

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Speaker 1: the view of the Middle East very different from where

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Speaker 1: I sit.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So what do you make of what Jake Sullivan,

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Speaker 7: the President's advisor, said, what is it now eighteen days

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Speaker 7: ago or so about how they viewed the Middle East?

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Speaker 3: To take a listen, the war.

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Speaker 19: In Yemen is in it's nineteen month of truce for now.

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Speaker 19: The Iranian attacks against US forces have stopped. Our presence

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Speaker 19: in Iraq is stable. I emphasize for now, because all

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Speaker 19: of that can change, and the Middle East region is

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Speaker 19: quieter today than it has been in two decades.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what mistake he made, which is

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Speaker 1: also the same mistake that Biden made, which is also

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Speaker 1: the same mistake that Trump made, was to try to

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Speaker 1: pretend like the Palestinian quote unquote issue didn't exist, that

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Speaker 1: you didn't have millions of people in Gaza seething under

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Speaker 1: a multi year blockade, that you didn't have illegal settlements

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Speaker 1: and occupation in the West Bank, that you did not

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Speaker 1: have to deal with these millions here who are under

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Speaker 1: an illegal apartheid system. And so you had the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration that move forward with the Abraham Accords, again ignoring

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Speaker 1: that situation. You had the Biden administration moving ahead with

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Speaker 1: attempted normalization of Saudi and Israeli relations, all pretending that

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Speaker 1: this problem with the Palestidians did not exist. I think

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Speaker 1: the fact that the war I hear, I got that

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Speaker 1: that was unfolding is part of the problem here.

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Speaker 7: My question would be whose fault is that problem though,

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Speaker 7: because you seem to want to blame it on Israel

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Speaker 7: and you want to seem to take away Israel's right

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Speaker 7: to self defense.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't use the way their rights to self defense.

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Speaker 1: What I do want to take away is their right

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Speaker 1: to have an apartheid state.

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Speaker 10: Which they don't.

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Speaker 7: Which, come on, so you know that you.

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Speaker 1: Know Leland right now, right now, hold on, let me

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Speaker 1: just let me just say what Hammas did terrorists.

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Speaker 4: That's really horrendous.

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Speaker 1: Huge of you to be able to civilians should not

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Speaker 1: be targeted, whether they are innocent Israeli civilians or innocent.

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Speaker 4: Pavilions, no issue with No.

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Speaker 3: I have a huge issue with it.

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Speaker 7: The fact of matter is I have lived there for

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Speaker 7: four years. I reported on I realize there's an enormous

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Speaker 7: difference in moral clarity between Hamas that targets civilians, which

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Speaker 7: you agree they do in the Israelis, they go out

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Speaker 7: of their way not to target civilians.

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Speaker 10: There is an enormous retur.

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Speaker 1: Is it to the parents of the one thousand plus

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Speaker 1: children in the in Gaza right now who are dead

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Speaker 1: that Israel theoretically maybe has.

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Speaker 4: Less barbaric taxing?

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Speaker 1: So let me just already care of more in Gaza attacks.

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Speaker 4: Who one autrosity does not said another?

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Speaker 7: At whose responsibility is the fact that those civilians are

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Speaker 7: still there? Is the responsibility of the Israelis? Or is

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Speaker 7: the responsibility of Hamas that's setting up checkpoints to keep

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Speaker 7: civilians as human shields? Or is it the responsibility of

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Speaker 7: the Egyptians that won't let them get through Rafa? Or

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Speaker 7: is the responsibility of the rest of the Arab world

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Speaker 7: that will not take a single Palestinian refugee to allow

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Speaker 7: them to escape a murderous regime in Hamas.

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Speaker 1: There is plenty of blame to go around. What I

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Speaker 1: will tell you, though, is are you aware that met

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Speaker 1: and yat Yahoo as a policy to try to short

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Speaker 1: circuit any efforts at peace and the establishment of a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian Stadian state, intentionally propped up Hamas because he saw

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Speaker 1: them as a useful foil. These are not my words,

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Speaker 1: these are his words. That is why the Israeli people

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly want him to be out of the job because

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Speaker 1: of that failure, because of the intelligence failure, because of

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Speaker 1: the military failure.

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Speaker 4: And now we're stand by.

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Speaker 1: We're going to stand by and say you're fine for

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Speaker 1: them to drop white phosphorus on civility. They haven't, yes,

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Speaker 1: according to Human Rights Watch.

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Speaker 4: So there you go your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: That's why we want to cable news.

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Speaker 2: That's tough to watch Crystal. To be honest, that's everything

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Speaker 2: that we stand against in terms of I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: why you got a bullshit time limit right about five minutes,

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Speaker 2: you got fake commercial, We've got like totally loaded questions.

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01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 2: The guy doesn't even listen. You know, everybody's trying to

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Speaker 2: make their point across. It's just like and so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the ambush thing, to be honest, really pissed me off.

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Speaker 2: I would be furious about that. That has never happened,

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Speaker 2: you know, anytime it usually as you know, we were

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Speaker 2: talking about this before, sometimes they'll be like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: news happened.

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Speaker 3: Can you talk about this? You know, they at least

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Speaker 3: give you a five minute head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, okay, sure. You know, like one time I

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Speaker 2: was on the way to Fox and RBG died.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit, you know, I got to think.

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Speaker 2: About what I'm going to say all of this, Like

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Speaker 2: you can go pull the tape because they're on five

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Speaker 2: the millions of people watching.

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Speaker 3: You're like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to say about this,

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Speaker 2: but you know, at least then you have a little

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Speaker 2: bit of time. But they had the segment planned to

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Speaker 2: toss to the Jake Sullivan thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, yeah, wondering why that one took so long.

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Speaker 1: He did this whole build up to the first question

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Speaker 1: about like Biden's like Carter and he's appeasing run and

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01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's his whole like intro and he's

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Speaker 1: like it's Biden shifting course. I'm like, shifting course on

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Speaker 1: what what are we even talking about right now? And

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Speaker 1: so anyway, like I said, I was actually glad that

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Speaker 1: the topic was shifted because I was sitting there listening

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Speaker 1: to what he was saying and what Bolton was saying,

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Speaker 1: and just like in my mind, like this is so

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Speaker 1: detached from reality and it's so bloodthirstay. I mean Bolton

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Speaker 1: was really like pushing you won't be surprised, was really

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Speaker 1: pushing like it's all Iran's fault and we can't a

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Speaker 1: piece of Ran and we need to go after Iran.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, this is insane that you would

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Speaker 1: be cheering for that at this point. So I was

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Speaker 1: literally glad to have the chance to, you know, say

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Speaker 1: my piece on all of these issues.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I take.

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Speaker 1: Away from it is when you're in that cable news

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01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: format where you're used to having an echo chamber, you're

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01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: used to just having people who share exactly the same

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01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: few of you, You're used to not having to say

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Speaker 1: anything more than like just the most surface level slogans.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we spend a lot of time. It makes

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Speaker 1: me realize, like it really made me appreciate our show

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01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 1: because we spend so much time digging into the details

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Speaker 1: and really trying to think about it and trying to

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Speaker 1: be nuanced and think of different perspectives and you know,

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Speaker 1: all that's going on and what does.

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Speaker 4: It mean from geopolitics, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And so it makes it so that in a situation

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Speaker 1: like that, you're just way more equipped to handle whatever's

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Speaker 1: coming at you. Because you're not just dealing in the

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Speaker 1: world of like slogans and talking.

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Speaker 2: It would just I mean, I have always just found

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Speaker 2: situations like that just so overwhelmingly frustrating because it's again

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Speaker 2: just wants to come back to it. It's like, okay, dude,

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01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 2: it's like you want to do this, fine, you know

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Speaker 2: we can, but like, why why are you setting us

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Speaker 2: up this way?

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Speaker 3: I say this too. Look, Leland is a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: Hung out with him once in the past, has always

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Speaker 2: been nothing but nice. But I don't think that that

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Speaker 2: is a professional way to conduct yourself. A bushing some

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that anything he said was

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Speaker 2: out of line or any of that. I'm more you know,

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Speaker 2: what I really wish is why why didn't they have

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Speaker 2: time time to actually talk.

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Speaker 3: Five minutes exactly?

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Speaker 4: The whole thing was five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Thatttle Middle Eastern piece and Iran and whatever in five minutes.

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Speaker 3: Now you're moving on.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, we've only got five minutes. You get

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Speaker 2: to speak for two and a half.

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh we're now we're talking about Israeli politics.

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Speaker 4: It's like, what are you more relevant?

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Speaker 1: What does Raley's think about this whole situation seems kind

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Speaker 1: of important anyway, very I don't.

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Speaker 4: Think I'll be invited.

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Speaker 1: So I solved a problem, which is I will no

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Speaker 1: longer have to turn them down.

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Speaker 4: Because I don't think I will be invited back. So

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Speaker 4: there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's why I say no to ninety nine percent of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to rig the ground, and then they

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Speaker 2: want to limit the time, and then they want to

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Speaker 2: try and ambush you about something that you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you might have said, what am I doing whatever? Exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's like, why waste your time?

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Speaker 2: You know. It's like anyway, there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: different reasons. So whatever, we wish them the best news

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01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 2: nation does do good work on UFOs.

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Speaker 3: Let's give them that.

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01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:29,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just chasing, so let's.

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Speaker 2: Give them at least that, and we'll all just go

2349
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 2: our separate ways. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. Counterpoints will be on tomorrow, Crystal.

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01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 2: You're filling in for Ryan, so you guys wire breaking

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01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 2: down the speakership. I believe actually when you go on

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Speaker 2: the air, President Biden will actually be in Israel, so

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have a lot in order to cover tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you guys tune in. Thanks to everybody who

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Speaker 2: has been taking advantage of our focus group special We

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Speaker 2: will see you guys later.

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