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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This is episode number one Tay

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Speaker 1: in the show, Dan and I are diving into an

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Speaker 1: in depth discussion of our goals, our hopes, and our

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Speaker 1: hit lists for the two thousand seventeen hunting season. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear. And today we had a great

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Speaker 1: guest lined up for our episode. Um, but something came up.

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Speaker 1: He was not able to join us. So you are

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Speaker 1: stuck with just me and Dan, and ership goes straight. No,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be good though, Dan, I promise, because if

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Speaker 1: anybody can sit and b s, it's you and me.

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Speaker 1: I think if if if there's anyone I know, I

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Speaker 1: think we can pull it off. Um. But it kind

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Speaker 1: of works out well because just before we start a

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Speaker 1: record um, the original planned episode, I was thinking, man,

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Speaker 1: I want to get one of our You know, in

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Speaker 1: the past years we've always done an episode that I've

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Speaker 1: kind of titled Goals, Hopes and hit Lists, where like

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Speaker 1: just before the season we talk all about our all

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Speaker 1: those three things, the hit list, the goals, the hopes, etcetera, etcetera. UM,

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Speaker 1: so this could be a good opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 1: We could dive into detail on all of our thoughts

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Speaker 1: of the upcoming season, specific goals. UM, talk more about

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Speaker 1: some of the deer we're after, UM, some of our

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Speaker 1: plans and stuff. And I don't know kids. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you like to talk about your kids and you talk

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Speaker 1: about that. What do you think? Does that sound good?

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Speaker 1: I'm doubt you know me, man, I'm down for absolutely whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you said that a lot in college, didn't you. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why. That's that's why I'm in the position that

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Speaker 1: I'm in sometimes. So UM, so I have some interesting

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Speaker 1: news to share. UM, I can tell you some I know.

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Speaker 1: I already know what it is because you already told me.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell the Wired to Hunt Nation, right,

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Speaker 1: But there's a little part of me that hates you

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Speaker 1: for what you're about to say. Don't don't hate me, Dan,

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Speaker 1: don't well, I don't hate you. I don't hate you,

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what it is. Awesome, UM, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about it. UM And if it helps

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Speaker 1: it all. I kind of hate you every time you

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Speaker 1: show trail camera pictures of bucksing on Iowa. So this

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Speaker 1: is like we're even out a little bit yet. So

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Speaker 1: so what you already know what I'll share with everybody

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Speaker 1: else is, um, my hunting plans for the September have

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Speaker 1: gotten changed a little bit. Um So, like we talked

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Speaker 1: about the past, I was planning on going to Montana. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm in Montana right now, but I was planning on

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Speaker 1: hunting here for anelope and whitetail the first week of September,

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Speaker 1: and then going to North Dakota and hunting white tails

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Speaker 1: the second week of September. Well, I got an email

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Speaker 1: last week with an invitation for a different plan for

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Speaker 1: the first week of September. Um, so I am going

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Speaker 1: to be going on an Alaskan caribou hunt with Steve Rinella. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna go gonna go to the Great

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Speaker 1: a heck of an adventure on the Alaska Range. The

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Speaker 1: Brooks Range is the far northern range. The Alaska Ranges

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Speaker 1: So what happened? What do you call you up and go, Mark?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to go to? Uh? Yes, Basically before

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Speaker 1: I want to do my first Alaska trip next year,

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Speaker 1: what would you recommend? And his recommendation of like any like,

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Speaker 1: all would be trying to a caribou hunt because you

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Speaker 1: I got the invite to do just that. So it's

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Speaker 1: gonna make my white tail, It's gonna make my white

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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna basically the first week first, like eight

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Speaker 1: know how that's that's a good problem to have, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Unless it's an absolute giant caribou that you that you harvest, um,

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Speaker 1: next year elk next to my elk. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: there's still massive areas just completely untouched. So that's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's only to document that for his show. I have

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Speaker 1: a feeling and it's going to be You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: I want to remember it all, you know, hopefully it's

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Speaker 1: Thanks dude. I'm pumped. And we'll have some good stories

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Speaker 1: to talk about here on the podcast too. So so

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Speaker 1: And I know, I know that's a unique challenge. Just

425
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: bums me out to hear that you're not gonna hunt

426
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: for the first five weeks this season. But you got,

427
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta, you know, you gotta, you gotta

428
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: reap the uh you got what's the word? You gotta

429
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: sleep in the bed that you made Dan when you

430
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: when you didn't when you didn't tie things up after

431
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: two kids. Well, I'll tell you what. Sleeping in the

432
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: bed I made is the reason why I got. That's

433
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Oh man in okay, well, so okay,

434
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: So if your dream scenario is killing a two buck

435
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: on the first day of your season. Then you're saying

436
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: you're hoping that you would kill a two hondy on

437
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: like November four or five. Yeah, I mean that's the

438
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: that's the goal. Is that the goal? Like, Okay, that's

439
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: not the goal. I mean, that's not the goal. That's

440
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: the that's the that's the day dream. We all think

441
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: that's the day dream. Okay. So so let me give

442
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: you my daydream and then let's talk reality. How about that? Okay? So,

443
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: so my daydream for my season would be to fill

444
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: every one of my tags, right, so the caribou tag,

445
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: and then in somehow in seven days kill an antelope

446
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: Montana whitetail, drive to North Dquota, killing mature North Daquota

447
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: white tail, um get home, take a week and a

448
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: half off for two weeks off, and then October one,

449
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: kill holy Field on opening night of Michigan season, and

450
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: then have a second Michigan tag. I can fail on

451
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: public land or my northern Michigan property with my family

452
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: up there, and I just with one of those, I'd

453
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: like to kill a three year old holy Field I

454
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: think's five, So I'd be a three year old and

455
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: a five yearld in Michigan, and then I have an

456
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: Ohio tag and Ohio would like to kill a four

457
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: year old. If I could do that, that would be

458
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Ohio two in Michigan, North Korea to Montana, Alaska Antelope.

459
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: That'd be seven tags. That's my that's my daydream, just

460
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: to fill seven tags by mid November? Does your does

461
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: your daydream also include going to home depot to buy

462
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: an additional freezer for all the meet you're gonna have. Seriously,

463
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a very legitimate question. I know I'm not

464
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: going to fill in nearly any of those. I don't

465
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a problem I'll have. But again,

466
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: that would be a good problem to have. Um, absolutely,

467
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. In Montana, I do, like we talked

468
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: earlier this year, like I want to hold out for

469
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: like a really good deer in Montana. This year, I

470
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: might change that a little bit just because I'm trying

471
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: to pack stuff and I might like stick with like

472
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: a representative. But sure buck still mature buck in both

473
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: those states. Um. But but yeah, that's it's gonna be

474
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic, kind of crazy. Um, But that's

475
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: my that's my day dreams. So that's my crazy dream.

476
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: I've got one other crazy dream that we've never talked

477
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: about on the podcast before, And this is just for fun.

478
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: Like as you you and I both like you know,

479
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: we we talked about scores of bucks sometimes, but it's

480
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: not what it's all about for us, of course. That's

481
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: just kind of a funny thing to look at deer

482
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: and see what they score and kind of talk about him. Um.

483
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: But you know, my buddy Corey Um, one of my

484
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: really good buddies here in Michigan that I hunt with

485
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: a lot, he killed his first boon and crocker buck.

486
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: He killed one seventy when he was thirty years old.

487
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: Um in Iowa. This is a few years ago. And

488
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: when he killed that buck, we always kind of have

489
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: like a kind of a friendly competition between each other.

490
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: I said, all right, then I had to kill booner

491
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: by the time I'm thirty, so that was like four

492
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: years ago. I have not killed a booner yet. So

493
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: this is my last year. In order to meet that bet,

494
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: I have to kill booner this year, my thirtieth year season.

495
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: If I don't, Corey wins. So that is my other

496
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: dream is to try to kill one seventy this year

497
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: so that Corey doesn't have bragging rights over me. That's

498
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: kind of funny you say that because on my thirtieth

499
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: birthday is the day that I hit shipwreck and never

500
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: found him. Oh yeah, so that that's kind of It's

501
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: just I don't know. That was kind of crazy. That

502
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: is thirties, like the year that big things happen. I guess,

503
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: can you believe I'm gonna be thirty. I'm gonna be old, Dan,

504
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really old. You're gonna You're gonna be old,

505
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: all right, You're gonna be old. Like do you do

506
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: your knee start hurting immatately upon that day? Oh? Ship dude.

507
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: My knees have been hurt since I was I had

508
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: I've had two knee surgeries, one from football and one

509
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: from playing rugby, and then like I broke my jaw,

510
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: so like I'm I'm withered. You're your broken parts, all right.

511
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: That's why I gotta get out and do my my

512
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: western hunts here pretty soon before. Like, unless I'm gonna

513
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: start taking sky lifts to the top of the mountain,

514
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: I'll wheel you around in like a push card or something.

515
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm on our next ELF trip, come on dance a

516
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: little further. Oh man, Okay, um, what do you think

517
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: about that? My my booner by thirty? Do you think

518
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: I can pull it off? Yeah, you're probably right. Well,

519
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: statistics are against you, right, I mean, I know that

520
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: there's booners in Montana, there's booners in uh North Dakota,

521
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: there's booners in Michigan. But statistically, statistics are against you.

522
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: But as we all know, statistics don't mean ship in

523
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: the rut. So a hot dog could bring anything by

524
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: it anytime. Yeah, and and yeah in Michigan, it probably

525
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: not gonna have in Michigan. I think I think my

526
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: best chances Ohio, Ohio was a spot where it could have,

527
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: um because I've had I've had a booner on camera

528
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: down there every year, but our first year, I think,

529
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: um so that there's a legitimate chance there. So and

530
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: again this it doesn't really matter. I don't really care

531
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: about score, but it's just kind of a fun challenge

532
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: to throw out there myself. Everybody talks about it. Everybody

533
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: talks about it. Um so I might since I've got

534
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm very fortunate right to have all these different opportunities

535
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm just like kind of pinching myself

536
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: and knocking wood and it's it's crazy. I'm very thankful

537
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: for this opportunity this year to go do a bunch

538
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. So I might, though, be a little

539
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: more picky and Ohio than usual, just because I can,

540
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: because I've got a bunch of other hunts schedule. So

541
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to kill the mature buck in Michigan, Montana,

542
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: North Dakota, um, and then Ohio. I don't need to

543
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: rush it, um, I can just you know, I can

544
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: kind of play it out if there, if there seems

545
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: to be like a really great buck there. Maybe this

546
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: is the year that I'm particularly picky in Ohio. Um.

547
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, last year I killed the first mature buck,

548
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: that relatively mature buck that I got eyes on because

549
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: it had been tough and I wanted to fill that tag.

550
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: This year, I think I'm gonna be I'm gonna wait

551
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: it out and see, um who knows, Maybe I can move.

552
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Maybe I can make Corey eat his eat his words

553
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: and have to have me match him. So I don't know.

554
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: It's uh, I think that that's a good that's a

555
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: good move to hold out because you're already going to

556
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: be doing a lot of hunting. Right, there's a chance

557
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: you I mean, there's a chance you get your your

558
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: buck in Montana. There's a chance you get your buck

559
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: in uh is it now? Is North Dakota gonna be

560
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: kind of like a spot and stock type deal or

561
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: is that gonna be tree stand river bottom type stuff?

562
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: It'll be river bottom stuff too, Yep, I think they're

563
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: they're very similar type situations. There's a couple different rivers

564
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: with cotton woods down the bottom and willow bushes and

565
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and um, kind of the same type

566
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: of thing I hunted last year, So you might you

567
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: could get down and move around the a bit. It'll

568
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: probably mostly be trees, but lots of glassing, probably going

569
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: up on hills and scouting and glassing and then identifying

570
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: where they're moving through and then sneaking in, hanging and hunting. Yeah.

571
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: Six makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so that's my dream. Um,

572
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: what about real reality? Yeah, let's talk reality, real talk. Um,

573
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: what do you really think? Well, what's what Let's talk goals? Like, Okay,

574
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: to have your two thousand seventeen season, you know, and

575
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: we talked about this every once in a while throughout

576
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: the year, Lady Ampton. Now, so I know we've probably

577
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: touched on some of the stuff, but like where we're

578
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: right now is just before the season. Um, what's the

579
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: successful two thousand seventeen season look like for you? And

580
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: what are like your handful of goals you'd like to achieve,

581
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: whether it be specific like killing a buck or like

582
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any more intangible stuff that

583
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: you want to achieve to. Yeah, well, I mean my

584
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: goal is to the days that I am hunting, uh

585
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: and I do get away to my main farm are

586
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: going to be they they have to be all day

587
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: sits right, I mean they just have to be. Um.

588
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Then once I once I start maximizing my time in

589
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: the timber, in in the good rut locations you know,

590
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do what I always do. I'm gonna

591
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: play the trail camera game. I'm gonna check you know,

592
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: check those on a on a rotation, and then I'm

593
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna see what, you know, what bucks are you know

594
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: cruising the area, uh, calling home and make my plan

595
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: off that. But as far as what I'm looking for,

596
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: what a successful season is for me, obviously, any any

597
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: time I can sit and tree stand and enjoy mother

598
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: nature is a win. We both know that. Um yep,

599
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: and I mean some of my favorite seasons have resulted

600
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: in eating my tag. Like two thousand and eleven, I

601
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: had one of the best seasons I've ever had and

602
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: just saw so many deer cruising and saw so many

603
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: cool things and never never tagged out. But from a

604
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: from an actual animal standpoint, I don't know, man, uh,

605
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: more than likely. Here's what well, here's what will happen.

606
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a mood whatever day this mood

607
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: isn't you know, whatever my mood is at the time.

608
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: If my mood is, hey, man, I gotta get home

609
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: back to the family, I'm gonna shoot the first four

610
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: year old that probably walks by. But then there's this

611
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: mood that I get in sometimes where I'm gonna I

612
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: want to shoot a four year old or older. That

613
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: won't change. It's gonna be a mature buck. That's my goal.

614
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: But if I'm there there, depending on my mood, there

615
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: is something where I may pass a four year old

616
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have big antlers, you know what I mean.

617
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: So if that opportunity presents itself. If I'm going in

618
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: after a buck, let's say that. Um, you know, I

619
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do that too, and I pass

620
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: a smaller four year old to get to a different one.

621
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I think this year I might pass do do a

622
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: little more passing like in previous years, if the opportunity

623
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: presents itself, and what the mood is, right, if it's

624
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: if it's day four of the hunt and I've already

625
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: got the text that says when are you gonna be home? Man,

626
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I'd hate to be the first four year old buck

627
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: that walks by my stand after I got that text,

628
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like so so, and you

629
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna I'm gonna go into this season just

630
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: really patient and really and really with no expectations, because

631
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: I feel that once you give yourself expectations, at at

632
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: some point you're you're just leading up to failure and

633
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: you become stressed if the time's running down and you

634
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: don't meet that goal, or you know what I mean,

635
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's

636
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: kind of like the It's like the there's two sites

637
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: that coin. It's like, there's something really awesome about having

638
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: goals going into hunting season or something like the challenge

639
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and the chess match or whatever, trying to achieve a

640
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: goal and that feeling of accomplishment when you do, Like,

641
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things about hunting. But at

642
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: the same time, if you let that go too far,

643
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this a lot in the past

644
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: and past years, right, sometimes you let it go too far,

645
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: and then, like you said, you get overly stressed about it,

646
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: and it takes the fun out of what hunting is

647
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be too. So it's like, how do you

648
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: It's like that line again, you have to walk that line. Um,

649
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: goals are great, but if you go too far with this,

650
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you can miss what's most important. Absolutely, And you know,

651
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, when I was chasing shipwreck

652
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: and I went four years uh, you know, I I

653
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: just remember passing a four year old pointer one day

654
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: and I look back at that and I was just like, WHOA,

655
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: You're stupid for doing that, right, I mean, that's the

656
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: biggest If I would have killed that deer, would have

657
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: been the biggest deer I've ever ever shot. And I

658
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: had this, you know, and I had a chance, and

659
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: I had a real chance at you know, going after

660
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: some big old deer. But I was kind of hyper

661
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: focused on one animal. Uh, And I don't know if

662
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: that will ever happen again. It may, but as of

663
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: right now, it won't that I I can't do that,

664
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: and I don't want to do that. I just want

665
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: to enjoy myself. You know, I harvested last year. So um,

666
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: I really think that I'm okay with whatever whatever cards

667
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: are played in front of me. If that means eating

668
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: my tag, it means eating my tag. I mean, I'm

669
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna be selective, but I'm not gonna I don't know.

670
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: It's just like for me, I feel like I'm going

671
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: to be in a mood. I'm gonna be like there's

672
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: a mood that I have to be into. Like am

673
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: I in a straight up kill mode? Or am I

674
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: in a hey, let's just wait and see what happened

675
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: this mode? You know what I mean. It's like I

676
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: was gonna say, is there any buck that you already

677
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: know is in the area that made it or that

678
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: you think might have made it that if you start

679
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: getting like good intel in this buck, whether that be

680
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: camera pictures or some encounters of them, is there any

681
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: buck that if you had that know that that intel,

682
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, what would cause you to start passing like

683
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: four year olds or like multiple decent four year olds.

684
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: Is there a deer that would make you also say, Okay,

685
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: you know what I said, I wanted to kill a

686
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: decent buck, but now this is happening, right, So you

687
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: mean like as far as past past history, Yeah, because

688
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: they're one of these deer that might make you say, well,

689
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: you know what I've getting them? Getting this buck in daylight?

690
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: I saw him twice already. Now I'm going to pass

691
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: everything for the next week and a half or whatever

692
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: because I really want to kill X. Is there any

693
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: deer that can do that to you that you know of? Yeah,

694
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: And right now I think it's just one, and that

695
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: would be that dork buck. Um there's I have a

696
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: couple of pictures of um him this year, and and

697
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: there's another buck too that may make me do it,

698
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: but um so, so basically two bucks that I've had

699
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: that I have on trail camera so far. But it

700
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: would have to be pretty like pretty consistent, pretty wired down,

701
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like I know he's gonna be

702
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: coming out of this wood lot tonight and I'm gonna

703
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: set up on one of these trails and he's gonna

704
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna decide to come on one of these trails

705
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: or not. And if another one comes, if I have

706
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: solid concrete evidence and daylight sightings and daylight pictures of this,

707
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: of that, those two bucks, which is the other one

708
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: other than um that really big ten pointer. Um, he's

709
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: a he's got like a one split brow time. Yeah,

710
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: the big, the big one. I'm looking through my trail

711
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: camera pictures right now. And then obviously there's dork. He's

712
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: like a seven or eight year old this year. Um, Nope,

713
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: I think I am on the outside of his home

714
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: range like that. He he just comes in on certain

715
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: crop rotations at different times of the year. Um. I

716
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: have another like there's a there's this one buck that

717
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: his head looks as big as like a steer head,

718
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: right is a giant cow head with probably a he's

719
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: got a funky ract. But if it was the same

720
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: on both sides, he'd be like in one sixties. I'd

721
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: love to see him. But again, you know, it's just

722
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and hunt. If that makes if

723
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: that is more clear, I hear you, I hear you

724
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: what about I'm happy either way. What about Gordon Bombay.

725
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: I know you don't know if he's back yet or not,

726
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: but he's right. Gordon Bombay is the super wide buck

727
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: that now I want to make sure I'm not getting

728
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: these confused in my head. Is that the same book

729
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: that Ryan hitting the aidlers? Or is it was this

730
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: this buck shop knew the next year? Yeah, this is

731
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: a This is a different buck. That buck was around

732
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen, so Gordon Bombay has been

733
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: around two thousand and fift I was looking at old

734
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: pictures of him the other night. But he's the one

735
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: that won the trail camera contest two years ago. Yep,

736
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: he won the trail camera contest, and um, he went down,

737
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: He went down, but got wider, um his antlers kind

738
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: of shrunk but got wider. So on this year's crop

739
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: rotation is when I have pictures of him coming up

740
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: towards the top of the um of the property. So

741
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: I have a couple of pictures of him on like

742
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: October seven, but it's during the night, so you know,

743
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: and like I always say, a trail camera picture of

744
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: a buck in the middle of the night is the

745
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: same as not having a trail camera picture of that

746
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: buck at all, because you shouldn't make your decisions based

747
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: off of uh, off of three am or a midnight

748
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: trail camera picture, because that buck is especially if he

749
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: is on a pattern. If you move into chase a

750
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: buck whose pattern is three am, then all you're doing

751
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: is ruining that area. Yeah, you know what I mean.

752
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: So typically Gordon Bombay is on this you know, on

753
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: the completely opposite side of the property. I doubt he

754
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: lives there late October. He comes through every year, but

755
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: it's at like midnight. Um, I don't have any daylight

756
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: pictures of him, uh except July of last year. So

757
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't checked that trail camera picture, that

758
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: trail that trail camera down where I always get the

759
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: pictures of him. Yet I'm gonna waitum. And the only

760
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: other other than that buck, who knows if he's made

761
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: it or not. But the only other thing that I'm

762
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: really working on this year is accessed through cricks because

763
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: and I've said this a lot on the UM on

764
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: the podcast, I feel that when I drive through the

765
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: property through the one direction, I am completely pushing deer

766
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: back to the betting areas. Faster than if I come

767
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: from the other side and hunt, you know, and I

768
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: actually hunt the property from the opposite side and let

769
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: that natural movement come back to the betting areas as

770
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: opposed to like pushing them, right, I think I think

771
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge difference. Yeah, yeah, Now it's

772
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: just following through at that point. That's the trick, right

773
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: right right, and and being patient. So I don't know,

774
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: man realistically, So you know, going back to the deer,

775
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a My goal is always going to

776
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: be a four year old, you know, until the four

777
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: year old someday dry up. Um, but it's always gonna

778
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: be a four year old. And depending on what the antlers,

779
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, what mood I'm in could depend on what

780
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: four year old I take a crack at. And I'm

781
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: not guaranteed a four year old, however, I do. I'm

782
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: looking at the trail camera picture right now. Out of

783
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: what I'm guessing is a two year old probably one

784
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: class buck good lord ten pointer with split brows. So

785
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: that's one of those bucks where this year, I know

786
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: he's small enough I wouldn't shoot him. But let's say

787
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: he's a three year old at one sixty. Let's say

788
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: I I would, I would. I hope I don't see him, Yeah,

789
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I just don't want him to even

790
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: tempt me. That's a tough and in that moment, it's

791
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: really hard to make the like even like logically think

792
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: in your head, Okay, that's a young buck. Like lots

793
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: of times you're just so fired up, right, especially if

794
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: their necks all swollen up and they got that that

795
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: mass from the rut, like a career rut. So what

796
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: about you, what's realistic on on your end? Well, before

797
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: we get to that, before we talk about those goals

798
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: and expectations for the season, I want to take a

799
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our partners at White

800
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: Tailed Properties and special New Hearth has another White Tailed

801
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Properties land specialist with us to a to share some

802
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: white tail wisdom. This week with white Tail Properties, we

803
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: are joined by rich Ba, the land specialists out of

804
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: southeastern Iowa, and Riche's going to be telling us about

805
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: how he patterned some mature bucks without educating them. What

806
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: I like to do is, uh figure out where a

807
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: buck's living. And so during the late summer and early

808
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: fall months, I'll run trail cameras around my farm, probably

809
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: one for every sixty acres, and try to figure out

810
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: where the different mature bucks are living. Um, you really

811
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: have to keep an eye on that, you know, once

812
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: October November get here, because they often tend to disperse

813
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: and and move around a little bit. But but I

814
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: still use cameras, and I have them in areas where

815
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to disturb the deer to check them.

816
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: One of the things you know that that's key to

817
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: me is I just don't pressure deer. In early October,

818
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: I figure out where they're living, you know, where they feed,

819
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: and then really don't hunt them until the last week

820
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: of October onet week in November, when I know they're

821
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: going to be on there feet before dark and still

822
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: on their feet after daylight. Otherwise, you know, educating them

823
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: and make them go not turnel. If you'd like to

824
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,720
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826
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: backslash bo that's be a U G H so realistic,

827
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I think. Okay, So if we're talking white tails, if

828
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: I could, if I could fill one tag on my

829
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: western trip from Montana North Dakota, I think that's a

830
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: realistic goal. I'd be awesome if I could at least

831
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: fill one tag out there with a mature buck. Um So,

832
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to try to shoot four year old out there.

833
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Um So my goal will be at least a four

834
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: year old and one of those two states, and then

835
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: in Michigan realistic if I can kill holy Field. That's

836
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: my number one of all goals is to is to

837
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: close that chapter and put all that to rest and

838
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: and kind of just make that happen a lot. We've

839
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: talked about a thousand times, so I won't reiterate all

840
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: the different things is going on there, but that's I think,

841
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: that's I think that question. I have a question about

842
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: that though. So holy Field shows up on camera, doesn't

843
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: matter what time of day. Let's say it's the middle

844
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: of the night and it's like October one, right, so

845
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: he's not unhuntable at that point. Are you passing or

846
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: dedicating an entire season to that buck if he starts

847
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: to do what he did last year? Yeah, So here's

848
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: where my head's on that. I am I'm definitely dedicating

849
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: my season in Michigan to him. But if he shows up,

850
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: if he shows up, yes, if he shows up. But

851
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: if like I'm out there in mid October, mid November

852
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: some at some point, if once in a lifetime Michigan

853
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: buck shows up that I don't know of that's not

854
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: holy Field, I would shoot that buck, but then continue

855
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: to hunt for holy Field. That for that um. Like

856
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: I've always told myself on this property where holy Field is,

857
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: I'll only take one buck a year there because it's

858
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: just an area where there's there's not many. Like if

859
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 1: there's a mature buck, it's usually the only mature buck

860
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: in the area every any given season, and it's just

861
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: it's a lot of hunting pressure. There's just not a

862
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: lot of big old deer. So I've always said, you know,

863
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: if I take one, that's gonna be it. But in

864
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: this year, if it was like a if it was

865
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: like a once in a lifetime Michigan buck or like

866
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: the biggest Michigan deer I've ever seen, Like if a one,

867
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: if a one, five, four or five or six year

868
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: old buck that I've never seen before all of a

869
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: sudden shows up in front of me and November six,

870
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: then I still haven't killed the holy Field. I'm going

871
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: to shoot that buck. Um, But then still try to

872
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: kill holy Field the rest of the season. Um, but

873
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot anything borderline. I'm not gonna

874
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: shoot like if there's like bucks that would usually kill

875
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, like if there's like a

876
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: four year old one thirty or something running around or

877
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: one thirty five or you know, something like that that's

878
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: a nice like usually be a really nice Michigan buck,

879
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: mature buck. Those deer I'm gonna pass on this year,

880
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: hoping that they'll make it to future years so that

881
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: I can get holy Field this year and then have

882
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: another deer next year. Um. But if it's like it's

883
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: just a if it's a monster that just shows upbout nowhere,

884
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I will break my rule and try to kill two

885
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: deer on that property. Um, but you know that's never

886
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: happened before. I've never seen a monster out there. I've

887
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: never had a random bucklet that show up before. So

888
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: let's probably not gonna happen. A lot of things have

889
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: to go right for that to happen. Yeah, Yeah, So

890
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: I think most likely what's gonna happen is that I

891
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: think there's a good chance Holy Feel will be back,

892
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and there's a good chance there's gonna be a bunch

893
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: of other people around there. They're gonna be hunting for

894
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: him to um So there's a good chance to get

895
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: killed by someone else. But there's still I think a

896
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: good chance that I can get a shot. And I

897
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: think I've got You know, we've talked about my plan,

898
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: We've talked about the habitat improvements I've made. Um I

899
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: think all that stuff should put me in in as

900
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: about as good of a position as I could ask

901
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: for given the set of cards I have. UM So,

902
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my best, try my very best. And

903
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: this year it's definitely Holy feel like it's I'm not

904
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: gonna pass holy Field this year. I don't. I don't.

905
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like mid way through the season

906
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: and I'm all this thing and say, no, I want

907
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: to see if you can make another year like No

908
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: that I'm definitely He's He's gonna be very mature this year.

909
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: Three years of history. I've learned a ton from him.

910
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: Um If I can somehow be lucky enough and fortunate

911
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: enough to get a crack at him, that I'm gonna

912
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: take advantage of him. So right, I'll tell you what.

913
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: There's two There's two bucks. There are stories that I'm

914
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: following very closely. One of them is yours and holy Field,

915
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: and the other one is our buddy Ben and his

916
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: his deer that he's chased for a while pork. So um. Yeah,

917
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: so there's those are two that I'm falling very closely. Yeah.

918
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one of those things that we

919
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: talked about, like hunting for one specific deer or like

920
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: having a long term like hunt for deer. It's it

921
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: can be really frustrating, it can be stressful, all those

922
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: things we talked about earlier, but it's also like it's

923
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: one of the coolest things I've been able to experience

924
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: as a hunter too. Like there's something really fun about

925
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: learning a deer, trying to, you know, pick into all

926
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: the details and like studying all different trail camera pictures

927
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: and pass encounters. I've got like two pages of a

928
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: notebook filled up with every encounter with holy Field and

929
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: the wind direction in the moon and the time of

930
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: day and the time of year and all this kind

931
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: of stuff, and like it's just so much fun looking

932
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: at that and thinking, Okay, why do you do this

933
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: and why this and how could I take an advantage

934
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: of that, I mean that geeking out is still one

935
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: of my absolute favorite things to do, so that's that's

936
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: a cool thing. So I will if if either way,

937
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: whenever and however, holy Field goes down, I will miss

938
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: just that very extended, big time chest match that that's

939
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: been going on, and hopefully I'll you know, hopefully will

940
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: be another one some day. But yeah, man, realistically, if

941
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: I can kill holy Field, that's that's the goal. That

942
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: would be amazing. Um, you know, the other stuff I've

943
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: got going on in Michigan would be awesome if something

944
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: pans out up north or in public, but um, that's

945
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, very pretty unlikely, but I'm gonna give a shot.

946
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: We um heck. I can't remember if we talked about

947
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: it last time or not, but to have got some

948
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: more food plot stuff going on in our northern Michigan place.

949
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: My my dad has a friend who's gonna come up

950
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: with a tractor and help us get some final stuff

951
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: planted and opened up, so that the food plus system

952
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: that we started two years ago that we got planted

953
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: finally last year. That really helped us start to finally

954
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: see some decent deer up there. We're gonna be we've

955
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: expanded it now this year a little bit, so like

956
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: we're taking these tiny steps to make things better up

957
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: there and try to bring that back, which is super cool. Um,

958
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: so that's fun. And then Ohio, like I said, realistically, UM,

959
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to hold out out there, maybe be

960
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more picky than I usually am, but realistically,

961
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: if when it all comes down to it, if I

962
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: can kill a four year old out there, um i'd

963
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: be I'd be super happy. And I think it's it's possible,

964
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: you know, it's all I think it's always possible. It's

965
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: just one of those spots, you know, it's like it's

966
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: it's hot and cold. I'll probably hunt five six days

967
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: and not see a deer or see like one or

968
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: two deer day and pissed and frustrated. But then day

969
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: seven or whatever, all of a sudden, a giant can

970
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: comes strolling through. So that's one of those spots that

971
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: you just need extreme patients and like an ability to

972
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: handle long hours of boredom. So so that's that's kind

973
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: of so I think realistically, if I could fill my

974
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: Michigan tag with Holyfield one buck on one of the

975
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: odd state trips, in Montana and North Dakota, UM, and

976
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: then in Ohio buck over the course of the three

977
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: four months season. That's ah, that would be awesome. Probably

978
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: even two out of those tags would be two out

979
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: of four tags would be a great season. So right, Um,

980
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know man talking about all this stuff. I

981
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: just every single episode. I don't know if this is

982
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know if people think we're crazy because

983
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: we say this every episode, or if everybody else feels

984
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: the exact same way. But every time when we're on

985
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: talking about this stuff, like I just like my fingers

986
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: get tingly and I'm like sweating, like I'm ready, Like

987
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: I just can't get in the tree soon enough. Um,

988
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm just so I just love this stuff so so

989
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: so so much. I love I don't know. So. I

990
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: got this map that Ben gave me, and you know

991
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: I got the magnets on it, right, you got the

992
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: Terra Magna map. Yeah, the Magna map. I don't have

993
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: one of those. We gotta call him up, say, I'm

994
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, give me one. He's given me so many

995
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: nice maps. I don't want to ask him for anything more.

996
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: But that's awesome to see. Got the magnum map Magna

997
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: map right, and I'm right, it's right in front of

998
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: my microphone. So I'm actually like, I'm literally staring at

999
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: my property while I record the podcasts, and I'm there's

1000
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: two orange the orange rep on my map. Orange represents

1001
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: tree stand locations, and there are two orange magnets that

1002
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I am literally daydreaming about every time I sit in

1003
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: this chair, and I just I cut him out already

1004
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: this year. They're just literally sitting there like don't you

1005
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: wish that you could be just a fly in the

1006
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: timber for or like have some kind of device that

1007
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: you can fast forward and stop or teleport to your

1008
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: stand and just sit sit there and wait and see.

1009
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: But these two stands or two pinch points on the

1010
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: farm that I I it's like, I wonder what kind

1011
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: of movement is going through there and what's going to

1012
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: happen come come November. Alright, So ideal scenario, tell me

1013
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: about one of these spots. What's your day dream looked

1014
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: like at that spot? Alright? So the day dream is

1015
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm walking in in the morning right um following you know,

1016
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: making sure that this wind northwest wind is what I need, uh,

1017
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: and I need on one of the stands is a

1018
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: north straight north northeast. Maybe the other one is just

1019
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: your typical northwest wind north would work as well. But

1020
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: my sense gonna go down. It's gonna go out into

1021
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: a field or into a cattle pasture. And these deer

1022
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: are in a pinch point between a creek and an

1023
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: inside corner of this UH fence. And I think I

1024
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: told you about that. I went further down the fence

1025
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: and I took a whole bunch of dead wood and

1026
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: dead limbs and stacked and blocked the other entrance so

1027
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: they can't jump into or that it was down tree

1028
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: fell over the fence, so I blocked that up, so

1029
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: hopefully that forces them to come around that inside corner again.

1030
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: And there I have a tree stand waiting on one

1031
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: fence crossing. So literally those two stands are hunting one.

1032
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm hunting one trail. That's how tight the pinch point is.

1033
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean they can go other they can go down

1034
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: further than that, but a majority of the traffic it's

1035
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: coming through UH these two trails, and it's over a

1036
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's over a certain you know, it's over

1037
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: a certain period of time. I'm sure they're they're coming

1038
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: through twenty four hours a day through that during the rut.

1039
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: But so, so, what what day? What day is the

1040
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: stage room happening? What's the weather like? What are the

1041
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: conditions like when you're going in here? Right? I'm guessing

1042
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be somewhere around November for some reason, eleventh

1043
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: pops up in my head. November eleven deer pops up

1044
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: in my head. I'm sitting in there in the northwest wind,

1045
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: one of those mornings right where there's frost on the ground.

1046
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: It's quite like it's really loud walking to your stand

1047
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: because the leaves are extra cruntry because of the frost

1048
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: on them. And I'm sitting there, I'm facing let's see,

1049
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: what way is my tree stand facing. It's actually facing east,

1050
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: but I'll be shooting to the west, you know, because

1051
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: I always like to have my tree, the tree in

1052
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: between me and where I'm shooting. And the goal is

1053
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: to you know, hear that and then maybe and then

1054
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: you see it. Yep, stand, grab the bow turned to

1055
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: this bench, crossing, Watch the doe jump and then the

1056
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: buck comes up. You know, how dear, they'll walk straight

1057
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: up unless they're running, they'll walk up to it. First

1058
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: stop and then jumps like a calm deer will do that,

1059
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: and then right when he stops before he crosses that fence,

1060
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: draw back and shoot him right before he jumps. Um.

1061
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I envisioned. But uh, it'll actually happen.

1062
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: I'll shank the shot, hit the blind the deer. Oh man, Yeah,

1063
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: I hear you there right, I'm right there with you, hey,

1064
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: speaking of shaking the shot. Um, both you and me

1065
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: are going through some changes with our shots and with

1066
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: our urchering. We haven't talked about this on the Wire

1067
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: Time podcast yet, UM, but we have both in the past,

1068
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: like way in the past, we've both alluded to various

1069
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: shoes with rushing shots or maybe a little bit of

1070
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: target panic here and there and stuff like that. Um.

1071
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: And so we we've talked about different like incremental changes

1072
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: we can make, like saying, Okay, we're gonna take a

1073
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: little more time, or we're gonna a better shot process

1074
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: or something. But neither one of us have made like

1075
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: really big differences over the course of big changes in

1076
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: the last three or four years. But now, all of

1077
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, without even consulting each other, we both have

1078
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: made drastic changes to what we're doing this summer um,

1079
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about it yet. I think maybe

1080
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: we should talk about that, now, what do you think? So?

1081
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: So I guess I'll give my quick uh update on

1082
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: what's going on for me real fast, and then I'm

1083
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: interested to hear about your how you got to this

1084
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: point too? But for me, UM, I got so I

1085
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: got a new Matthews Halen this past year thirty two

1086
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: sweet bow, took it to the pro shop, got all

1087
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: set up um. But then when I got back and

1088
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: started shooting, UM, I can't remember what happened, but over

1089
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: like there were three different things that happened, and each

1090
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: time I had to go back to the pro up

1091
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: like my rest had been set too loosely, and so

1092
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: when I got home, the center shot was off and

1093
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: it was all messed up, and so I had to

1094
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: go check it out and get it retuned. So I

1095
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: went back to the shop and then when I got

1096
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: back something with UM what was it? I think my

1097
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: draw length was wrong? When I got back, I can't

1098
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: remember all the draw length issue. There was arrest. The

1099
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: cord on my arrest broke. UM. The very first time

1100
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: I forgot to have the peeps I put in, So

1101
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I had to go back and forth with the pro

1102
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: shop like three or four different times. So all these

1103
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: different things that happened with the setup of my bow,

1104
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: and when I started shooting the bow, I'm like, I

1105
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: am way inconsistent, Like I can't get my shot right,

1106
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what's going on, and I just couldn't.

1107
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't identify. I couldn't diagnose what the issue was

1108
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: because there were so many new things in the shot.

1109
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like I was shooting the old bow

1110
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: I had been comfortable with, and all of a sudden

1111
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: my shots started falling apart. I could say, Okay, what's changed?

1112
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: But everything changed now, right, it was a new bow.

1113
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: Plus I had all these different trips to the shop

1114
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: with all these different changes made, and the rest got

1115
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: messed up. Someone had to tie in a new cord

1116
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: a different weird way. Um, my draw link got changed

1117
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: two different times. So I was like I didn't know

1118
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: which variable was the issue. And because of that, I

1119
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: like I was getting more and more stressed out I

1120
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: go and I'd be shooting and shooting and I'm like,

1121
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: what the hell, Like every time, like sure twenty yards

1122
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: are fine, thirty yards, but as I started to stretch

1123
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: it out, like I'm getting way more flyers than I

1124
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: should have, and I couldn't think it was I couldn't

1125
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: figure out what was going on. So then I was

1126
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: like thinking about it more so every shot. I was

1127
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: like overthinking every shot and like trying to force it

1128
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: to be a perfect shot every time, and I think

1129
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: that was making things even worse. And I finally was like, okay,

1130
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: like this is bigger than like some little weird off day,

1131
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: Like there's something going on. You just need to you

1132
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: need someone else to give you like a second opinion.

1133
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: Um so, And I've never worked with a shooting coach.

1134
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: I've never had a buddy coming that was really good

1135
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: and like, look at what I do. Like literally everything

1136
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: in my shooting I taught myself off to shoot, and

1137
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I've just been shooting the way I taught myself how

1138
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: to shoot for fifteen years or whatever has been So finally,

1139
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Andy may Um are our friend who was on the

1140
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: podcast with us last week, I guess or at the

1141
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: live podcast of the Cutie Make Convention. I had him

1142
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: come out, and he's really really serious about his archery

1143
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: and and it's really good at this stuff. He came

1144
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: out and started to look at what's going on, and

1145
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: he helped me diagnose a couple issues with my bow

1146
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: setup that I've gotten fixed. And then at the same time,

1147
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: he you know, I wanted to look at my shot

1148
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: sequence and process to better understand if I have any

1149
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: like symptoms of target panic. Um. I never really thought

1150
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: I did. But I know I have rushed shots, Like

1151
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: I know I had the tendency to rush shots, but

1152
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: I never equated that with target panic. I always thought

1153
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: that was just like me rushing it. I never, like

1154
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: in my mind, I thought those were like two different things. Um.

1155
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: But he had me do a couple of different exercises

1156
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: that kind of opened my eyes too, like, yes, these

1157
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: are symptoms of like some type of bad thing. Um.

1158
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: Like for example, he said, okay, just just drawback, put

1159
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: the pen on the target, and then don't shoot, but

1160
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: just hold your put your put your finger on that trigger,

1161
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: but then don't shoot. And like I did that, and

1162
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: I felt like my body as soon as my finger song,

1163
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: as soon as I put my finger on that trigger,

1164
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: and that pin hit the bull the bull's eye, like

1165
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: my body wanted to hit that trigger so bad, like

1166
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: almost like in my head, I had like a flinch

1167
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: like punch that sugar, and um, I've had this a

1168
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: couple other times, or sometimes i'm shooting, like I'll have

1169
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: that where like my whole body like shutters because I

1170
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot. I want to hit the trigger, but

1171
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: I stopped myself. Um So, basically there were some like

1172
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: underlying anticipation issues that I had been like ignoring. So

1173
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: long story short, he helped me reset my bowl, get

1174
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: everything set up properly. Everything's beautiful right now. And then

1175
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: also I am switching to a back tension release process,

1176
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: so I'm not using a back tension release yet. Um

1177
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: I got a different index finger release, but I'm using

1178
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: a back tension process. So I'm hooking my face around

1179
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: there tight and then I'm pulling back with my shoulder

1180
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: blade and my and my back muscles to release that

1181
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: bow instead of you know, in the past, I always

1182
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: just squeeze the trigger in my finger like a gun.

1183
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: And um So for the last month or so since

1184
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: we talked about that, that's what I've been working on.

1185
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: Um it's a different indexperience, a much harder break. It's

1186
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: my old release was like you could squeeze it like

1187
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: halfway down and wouldn't go off this new one. It's

1188
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: like it's a hard break. Um. So yeah, I'm working

1189
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: on all this stuff. I've been listening to a lot

1190
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: of different podcasts, different guys who've talked to some archery

1191
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: experts about this kind of stuff. Um. I don't know

1192
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: if you've seen anything from Joel Turner Ironed mind Hunting.

1193
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything of his? No, I haven't, but

1194
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out now, Yeah, check it out.

1195
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: He's been on something he's been like the Gritty Bowman podcast. Um,

1196
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: and he's got an online video course. I haven't checked

1197
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: out the full video course yet. I've wrought some of

1198
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 1: his YouTube videos and listened to him, like I said,

1199
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: and he's got some really great thoughts on on dealing

1200
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: with this and developing the mental side of this shot

1201
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: sequence and making sure you're not anticipating and punching and

1202
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: doing the different things. So so that's I've been working on.

1203
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: And so like I've been like starting back at ground zero,

1204
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: Like I took my site off my bow and I've

1205
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: sat at like three yards away from the target and

1206
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: for for a week and a half or two weeks,

1207
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: I just worked on just getting that release right, just

1208
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: pulling through over and over and over and over and

1209
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: over and over and over. And now I've got the

1210
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: sight back on and I'm like just doing it at

1211
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: ten yards and then just doing it fifteen yards, and

1212
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: just doing it twenty and just trying to get like

1213
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: a perfect ten on my release. I'm not worrying about,

1214
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, getting not worried about holding that pin on

1215
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: their perfect I'm just trying to get that perfect release

1216
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: um and more so just letting the pin hover. And

1217
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: so my new like shot sequence like mantra. Now again

1218
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: this I pulled this from like Brian Call and Joel Turner,

1219
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: and I've been using its working well for me. It's

1220
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: like I draw back, I immediately locked my trigger, I

1221
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: load up my trigger, immediately had my finger on the trigger.

1222
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: I splashed the pin right on the on the bull's eye.

1223
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: So in my head, I say, splash it on there,

1224
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: so I get it right there on the on the

1225
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: on the dot, and then I watch it keep it.

1226
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: So now I'm just in my mind, I'm just trying

1227
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: to just keep it there. Just watch the dot that

1228
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to hit but I'm not like overly hard

1229
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: trying to aim. I'm just letting it float, but just

1230
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: lasering my eye at the spot I want to hit

1231
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: and letting it float around there. And then once I'm ray,

1232
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: it's all about having like that controlled process. Now I'm

1233
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: talking the final thing, I says, here we go, And

1234
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: as soon as my mind I see here we go,

1235
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: that activates my back muscles to start slowly pulling until

1236
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: it until it releases. Um. Right, So Joel Turner's thought

1237
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: is that by having by having words. And We've talked

1238
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: about a monster before, and I've used some monsterras in

1239
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: the past, but I've never like really really really done

1240
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: a great job with it. I've always kind of given

1241
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: the lip service. But now I'm trying to drill it in.

1242
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: It seems like the guys that are really good at

1243
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: this you use something like that to control your process

1244
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: so that you're not so you're not controlled by the moment.

1245
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: You need to be able to do this stuff, like

1246
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: with muscle memory. It needs to be a second nature.

1247
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you can't black out and

1248
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: go into like autopilot. At the same time, like it

1249
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: needs you need to be the one in control of

1250
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: when you decide to shoot that deer. It can't be

1251
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: as soon as the pen happens to be in the

1252
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: right spot. Also might punch it, which has happened in

1253
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: the past. Um, so that is like the cliff notes

1254
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: version of what I'm doing right now? But um, where

1255
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: are you at? I think you're in a similar place

1256
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: right But actually, before Dan answers that, we need to

1257
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: take our final break of the day for word from

1258
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: the white Tail Institute of North America. And right now

1259
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: early August when we're recording this, we're getting into the

1260
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: prime time of fall food plot planning season. So today

1261
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: our producer Spencer new Hearth has caught up again with

1262
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: John Cooner to hear about one of White Tail Institute's

1263
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: best fall food plot options. This week with white Tail Institute,

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Speaker 1: we're talking to consultant John Cooner about their special blend

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Speaker 1: of Imperial white Tail beats and greens, which is designed

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Speaker 1: to hold dear fall all the way through winter. The

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Speaker 1: beach of greens is a is an eat product. It

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Speaker 1: is an all Braska product, but it's unusual and that

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Speaker 1: it's a blend of of multiple brask of varieties that

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Speaker 1: serve a number of purposes. The main ones are that

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Speaker 1: they provide together attraction and food for deer from the

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Speaker 1: fall all the way into and maybe through the dead

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Speaker 1: of winter. The components are sugar beets. Most folks know

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Speaker 1: how attractive they are to deer when you plan them

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Speaker 1: in the fall. It's got tall Time turnip in it,

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Speaker 1: which is a turnip variety of that the White Talle

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Speaker 1: Institute developed six years specifically for deer. The tall Time

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Speaker 1: turn up the foliage is for late fall through winter.

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Speaker 1: It also has a kale variety in it that is

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Speaker 1: unusual when compared to most kale varieties, and that it's

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Speaker 1: loose leafed. UH is very attractive to deer. UH and

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Speaker 1: it's a vegetable cultivar that that does not grow on

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Speaker 1: a tight head the way a cabbage does. And finally

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Speaker 1: there's the White Tail Institute for its well radish that

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Speaker 1: maximizes the attraction over the long term by adding forage

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Speaker 1: and tubers for later in the year as a secondary

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Speaker 1: benefit the product. Because of the tubers produced by the

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Speaker 1: radish and UH, tall time tubers can actually improve this quality,

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Speaker 1: especially of compacted soils, by drilling down even a couple

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Speaker 1: of feet into the soil and making wide spaces to

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Speaker 1: help water and air move. Uh, and any tubers that

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Speaker 1: remain after winter will break down the following spring and

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Speaker 1: even improve the quality of soil by adding organic matter.

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Speaker 1: But the main thing is it's built for attraction of

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Speaker 1: deer all the way through fall and through the winter.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like more info on white Tail Institutes forage products,

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Speaker 1: check out white Tail Institute dot com, where they also

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Speaker 1: carry some of the top supplements, attractants and herbicides available. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I uh, you know same here. I got a new

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Speaker 1: bowl this year as well, and and it's a completely

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Speaker 1: different type of bow than anything that's out there, so

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Speaker 1: it's it's taken me a while to um, you know,

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Speaker 1: learn how to do it, just like any anything that's new.

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Speaker 1: But I decided I was going to this is just

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Speaker 1: like last month in July, I'm gonna buy a back

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Speaker 1: tension release. And although I like like it and I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna help me in the long run, I

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Speaker 1: think I made a poor decision by trying to start

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Speaker 1: a back start using a back tension release this close

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Speaker 1: to the actual hunting season, because I think there is

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Speaker 1: a much greater learning curve then there is time, and

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Speaker 1: I do not have at this point in my uh, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't want to say I

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Speaker 1: have the time because I try to shoot as much

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Speaker 1: as possible throughout the week, but I don't have enough

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Speaker 1: time to learn the back tension release and to do

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Speaker 1: everything that's necessary to you know, perfect it like I

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Speaker 1: would need to. So I I shoot a cup bowl

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Speaker 1: rounds with it um and then I will go back

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Speaker 1: to my wrist strap so for my wrist release. So

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Speaker 1: my question to you is when you went from so

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Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily change releases, right, you just use a

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Speaker 1: principles from back tension on your current rest or on

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Speaker 1: your on your current release. So no, I did change

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Speaker 1: to a new release as well, but it's it's still

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Speaker 1: an index finger release. But got you The difference is

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Speaker 1: that my old release was like one of the super

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Speaker 1: cheap like I don't know, just one of it was

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Speaker 1: like the same type of release I've used my entire life,

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Speaker 1: like your basic beginner index finger release. But the trigger

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Speaker 1: on that is like it's got the spring in it,

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Speaker 1: and so you can slowly squeeze that trigger down and

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Speaker 1: it slowly opens and then you can release it. It

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Speaker 1: opened closes again and because that that trigger creep and um.

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Speaker 1: From what I understand, that's not really good for getting

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Speaker 1: a good consistent release, especially if you're trying to use

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Speaker 1: back tension. UM. So I got a different release that is,

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Speaker 1: like it doesn't have a spring in it. It's like

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Speaker 1: a hook, you know, just the hook style. My old

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Speaker 1: one was a double caliper. This is the hook style.

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Speaker 1: And like as soon as this hits X pounds of

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Speaker 1: pressure whatever, that just breaks open um. So it's much

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Speaker 1: more conducive to a surprise, clean release. And then it's

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Speaker 1: it's a much shorter release. So my trigger is much

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Speaker 1: deeper in my finger. The thought process being there is

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Speaker 1: that you've got so many like touch receptors on the

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Speaker 1: point of your finger, the end of your finger, that

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Speaker 1: you're more likely to want to you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: very touchy. So a lot of us when you've got

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Speaker 1: the tip of your finger on the trigger, it's just jumping.

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Speaker 1: You want to push it, you want to pull it

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Speaker 1: like a gun. So the thought processes by putting that

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Speaker 1: trigger deeper into your finger, so now like at the

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Speaker 1: the first knuckle, it's it's you're not gonna you're not

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Speaker 1: using that finger anymore. Instead, it's just a hook. So

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Speaker 1: my finger is hooked around the trigger deep in there,

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Speaker 1: and I've got pressure on that trigger. And then like

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Speaker 1: I'm holding on, I draw, I've got a hooked on

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Speaker 1: the trigger. As soon as I start pulling back my

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Speaker 1: with my back and my shoulder, I'm not using my

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Speaker 1: finger at all. It's just like a hook. As soon

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Speaker 1: as I start pulling that back, that releases it. Um. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a different it's the back tension release

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Speaker 1: type concept. But as I from these guys and from

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Speaker 1: Andy and everyone says, you know, this is this is

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Speaker 1: a way to do it. Um. But you know, like

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Speaker 1: you said, there's lots of different There's like the there's

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Speaker 1: a back tension like hinge release. There's like the thumb

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Speaker 1: button type release. Um, which do you have Is there's

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Speaker 1: a hinge? Like do you have no control or is

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Speaker 1: it no? I have the safety the thumb safety on it.

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Speaker 1: It's the knock on Um. John Dudley is a silver back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a silver back from Carter Enterprises. Um. So it's

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Speaker 1: the silver back and um that's what I I prepractice with. UM.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and it is completely different. But

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Speaker 1: the reason I bought it, it's because as I was

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Speaker 1: at Ben's house and his his release is set up perfect,

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Speaker 1: like mine's not finally tuned yet to where I need

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Speaker 1: it to be, because you know, you gotta I gotta

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Speaker 1: reduce some poundage on it yet. But as soon as

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Speaker 1: you know, I plan on, you know, spending a lot

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Speaker 1: more time getting it dialed in. But it's completely different

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Speaker 1: than the trigger finger, and it does make you think.

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Speaker 1: It makes you think about your shot before, you know,

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Speaker 1: before you actually pull the trigger, because it's making you

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Speaker 1: do something. It's not making you just squeeze the trigger.

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Speaker 1: You have to you have to be aware that you're,

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Speaker 1: you know, pulling that extra weight and rotating your back

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Speaker 1: muscle into uh make that shot fire. Yeah, so yours though,

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Speaker 1: it's you've got it. So as you draw back, you're

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Speaker 1: holding the safety down as you draw back, and then

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Speaker 1: you get to full draw and then once you're anchored,

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Speaker 1: then you really ease the safety. And now as soon

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Speaker 1: as you start pulling through that tension you put through

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: your back releases it. Right, Yep, that's right. Okay, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so then there's another one like if I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: no expert. I've never used this, but I think then

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Speaker 1: there's the hinge style that basically is a similar type thing,

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Speaker 1: but there's like a rotating hinge in there that starts turning,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that's how a regular bat man. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the same thing here. Um, But that's another

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Speaker 1: one where you don't have actual control of when the

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Speaker 1: shot goes off. You just need to pull back and

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Speaker 1: pull and then it's going to release when it releases

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Speaker 1: after you release that safety. And then there's the thumb

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Speaker 1: style where you get pulled back, but then you're able

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Speaker 1: to as you pull back, you push your thumb against

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Speaker 1: a thumb button, which is what actually releases it. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm it sounds like we're both kind

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Speaker 1: of in the early stages of trying to figure this out,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, I wish we'd wish we'd both

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Speaker 1: started this sooner. Um, But I think it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's good. It's like you know what might as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, like for a long time I always thought

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Speaker 1: like I'm good enough, Like you know, I feel really

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Speaker 1: comfortable shooting out to forty and some some years when

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Speaker 1: I was going to outcunting, I was feeling comfortable shooting

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Speaker 1: farther than that. And I always thought like I got

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Speaker 1: pretty goody, pretty consistent. I feel comfortable with they're getting

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Speaker 1: shots a deer. But ever once in a while, you know,

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Speaker 1: i'd have a rush shot or I'd have something go wrong,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of would shock that up to I

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Speaker 1: made a mistake in the moment um. But maybe there's

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Speaker 1: like some some some deeper things going on that I

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01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: can fix. And if I can fix it, why not

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Speaker 1: try to? So, yeah, we have to fight exactly, So

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what we're trying to do now, I guess,

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Speaker 1: so be interesting see how we progress. I just want

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Speaker 1: to become an overall better archer too. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: like you don't always have to be a good hunter too,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're a good archer, but in order

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Speaker 1: to be a good hunter or bill hunter, I feel

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Speaker 1: you have you should be the best possible archer. You

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Speaker 1: should be, and I'm not the best possible archer I

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Speaker 1: should be. So I wanted to improve my my basic skills.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say, yeah, yeah, for sure, you

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Speaker 1: should take a listen to that the stuff from Joel Turner.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I haven't done the course yet. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't like recommend the course because I haven't done

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Speaker 1: it yet, but I'm I'm planning on it, and the

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Speaker 1: stuff I've heard from him has been interesting. I think

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Speaker 1: Kevin Morrow mentioned him on our podcast with him, like

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Speaker 1: last couple months ago. We talked about target panic a

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Speaker 1: little bit with him and he mentioned the name Joel Turner,

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Speaker 1: but I hadn't heard of him before, so it didn't

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Speaker 1: like register um. But when I finally went and checked

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Speaker 1: out of the stuff, it's been very helpful for me, um,

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Speaker 1: So you might you might find that helpful. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try to get um. We're working on getting leave.

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Speaker 1: I'm Morgan on the podcast here soon and we'll talk

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,839
Speaker 1: some Archie stuff with him soon and some other guys

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01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: um too, So hopefully we'll have some opportunities to keep

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01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: learning as we get closer to the season. So yeah, man, um,

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Speaker 1: that's our shot stuff. We've talked about our goals. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any Do you have any like, um, not

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Speaker 1: related to like killing a deer or like a certain

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Speaker 1: deer or anything like that, but do you have any

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Speaker 1: goals this year? Every year, I feel like we always

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Speaker 1: have some kind of like intangible goals or like some

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Speaker 1: experiential goals or anything, or just like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: is there anything this year you hope to like when

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Speaker 1: you come out of the season, something you will have

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Speaker 1: done something or you I don't know, do you have

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Speaker 1: any intangible goals? I don't know what I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: say here, But is there anything that comes to mind

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Speaker 1: as I'm rambling? Ye, as far as hunting itself, not

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Speaker 1: necessarily killing, but but the overall like deer hunting overall, well,

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Speaker 1: mine would be that the access, Like in order for

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Speaker 1: me to know if I really am disturbing the property

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Speaker 1: driving in from the one side, I have got to

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Speaker 1: access use the access routes, you know from the cricks

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: and if I can, if I can do that, and

1473
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: it shows me that, um, you know, hey, there's not

1474
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: a big difference, or be there is a big difference.

1475
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: I will I will know And as we all know,

1476
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: knowledge is power, and you know it allows you to

1477
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: do some crazy things. I think that if I can,

1478
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: if I can just follow through with that and learn

1479
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: from what what that access tells me about the farm,

1480
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: I think I'll be in a much better place to

1481
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: finally get a piece of property kind of figured out,

1482
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: because although I have a good idea of how my

1483
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: property works, I don't know it as detailed and as

1484
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: annally as I want to know it. Like I want

1485
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: to know where these deer are specifically betting um and yes,

1486
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 1: I know where betting areas are, but I don't know

1487
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: specific beds on specific winds, and that's how detailed I

1488
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: want to know this farm when it's all said and done, right,

1489
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: do you find? Is this? We're able? I don't think

1490
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: we talked about this at all this spring. I don't

1491
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: so I don't know if you did or didn't, But

1492
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: were you able to scout out and look for specific

1493
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: beds like that the springer? Is that something you want

1494
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: to try to do this coming off season? Well, it's

1495
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of It's kind of difficult. And I talked to

1496
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: um oh man, I forget his name about forget his name,

1497
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 1: um Man, he's gonna be pissed at me. But anyway,

1498
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: we we discussed the difference between you know, like Dan

1499
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: Infalt gives really awesome detailed advice on how to find

1500
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: buck beds and hunt buck beds well on my farm

1501
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: and in this terrain buck like dear period have so

1502
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: many different beds based off of all these different winds,

1503
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: on different fingers and you know, different terrain features that

1504
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: a buck bed in marsh country doesn't look like a

1505
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: buckbed where I'm at. So it's it's gonna be harder

1506
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: to find, uh it. Those those deer move from you know,

1507
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: season to season, they move on food sources, they move

1508
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: on wind direction, and so it's a little bit more

1509
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: difficult for me to go in and find specific beds

1510
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: when there's so so many variables. So um and the

1511
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: guy I talked with, he kind of was like, Okay,

1512
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: here's what you need to look for. He's on the

1513
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: hunting beats as well, and he sent me a document

1514
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: of what I need to look for based off of

1515
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: pure terrain features off of a topo map. So I'm

1516
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: gonna check those places out this year and basically just

1517
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: try to be as observant as humanly possible to to

1518
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: the most detail to the two as detailed as humanly possible.

1519
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, I like it. I know I um,

1520
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: so is your fault. I mean, but I'm talking about

1521
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: like my main farm is like four hundred so I

1522
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: probably have about five acres all together. In this one area.

1523
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: There are different property owners and whatnot, but they're all

1524
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: in this specific area and they all in some way,

1525
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: shape or form run into each other. And you know,

1526
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 1: I want to figure out not only the micro, but

1527
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: I want to figure out the macro as well. So

1528
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: on your lease in Ohio, what what's that like a

1529
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: thirty acres? No, it's ninety and and of that there's

1530
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: like that's honnable. Really the rest of the field it's

1531
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: maybe maybe forty, but it's like it's such a small area,

1532
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: like it's there's there's nothing to it. Almost. There's big

1533
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: open field and there's two fingers of timber that come

1534
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: into the field, and so I know there's a little

1535
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: bit of betting on the smaller finger, and then on

1536
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 1: the bigger finger. There's you know, the finger is created

1537
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: because there's this ditch that kind of there's a creek

1538
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: that runs out towards the field, and so there's like

1539
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: that really low spot the ditch in the middle deep

1540
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: like valley, I guess, and there's ridges that run on

1541
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: either side. So then there's betting on either one of

1542
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: those ridges. Like the little knobs that come off those ridges,

1543
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: there's betting. Some dough betting and the big thick there's

1544
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: some cutovers on it and a couple of knobs of

1545
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: theaters and stuff, and that's where usually a buck, if

1546
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 1: there's a good buck in the area, on that piece betted.

1547
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: Usually it seems like that's one of those spots that

1548
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: he's likely to be on occasion. So it's not it's

1549
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: not one of those spots that has like a ton

1550
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: to figure out. I mean, I could see like four acres,

1551
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot to sink your teeth into and try

1552
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: to figure that out. In a smaller property like this,

1553
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, well, you got this, so there's

1554
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: not as much to work with. But at the same time,

1555
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: there's it's not as much of a challenge because you know, okay,

1556
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna move through A or B and then it

1557
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: just becomes like being there at the right time and

1558
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: being there enough. Um. So it's it's it's limiting because

1559
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: I don't have very many options, But at the same time,

1560
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: it makes it a little bit less stressful because it's

1561
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: either it's either gonna happen or it's not in one

1562
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: of these two places basically two or three places. Um,

1563
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of where where we've come with. Probably first

1564
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, like trying to figure all

1565
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: these different things out, and now like five years into it,

1566
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,799
Speaker 1: I kind of know, Okay, there's a couple of spots

1567
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna be here here, and then there's we've got

1568
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stands and kind of tertiary places

1569
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: that are you could see one maybe long range and

1570
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: calling in or something like last year I was hunting

1571
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 1: not in one of the best spots, but a spot

1572
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: I could see a lot a long ways and be

1573
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: called to something and that ended working out. But um,

1574
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: but it's definitely not one of those big properties where

1575
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: even like my Michigan property, most of the core stuff

1576
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: is like on neighbors. I'm kind of my my mission

1577
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: my main Michigan property that we talked about so much.

1578
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: There's it's mostly field again. I've got a little area

1579
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: of cover on the front that I hunt where I

1580
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: made that food plus system, and the back corner I've

1581
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: got a chunk of cover. Everything else is like field edge,

1582
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of hoping to catch deer coming

1583
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: off the neighbors because just the limits of my property

1584
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: that I have there, um kind of forced me to that. Yeah,

1585
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 1: and you've been on my farm before, and you know

1586
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: how that big block of timber, right man, I mean

1587
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: it's just big country fingers, yeah, fingers everywhere going up

1588
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: you know this valley and I don't know, it's it's

1589
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: like a yeah, it's awesome puzzle, right, It's awesome, but

1590
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 1: at the same time very challenging because there's so many

1591
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: different moving pieces and areas. And I can see that

1592
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: being a big channel, just like do you And I

1593
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 1: imagine you're probably doing this, but I bet when you

1594
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: first start hunting, you're kind of going willy nilly all

1595
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: over the place because he has so much space to

1596
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: work with it. Oh, hunt over here, I hunt over here,

1597
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: I hunt over here. But now, based on the things

1598
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from you, I feel like you're fine tuning. Like, Okay,

1599
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: there's this big area, there's tons of places, but now

1600
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: I know there's these five or six core places that

1601
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: if I hunt them smartly, access them smartly, you know,

1602
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: Like I think over time you're able to drill down

1603
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: a property or large area like that, probably, but there's

1604
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: there's still more fine tuning right right right, you know,

1605
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 1: And there I'll be honest with you there's a chance

1606
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: that and they do it every year. Um, I kill

1607
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: a buck out of the same exact tree stand that

1608
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: I shot this year's buck in. It's just because it

1609
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: is the greatest staging area of all time and uh um,

1610
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: they make their way through it and they check a

1611
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: couple of scrapes before they go out to feed, and

1612
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to hunt that one as well. So

1613
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just I'm over I'm overall excited.

1614
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: The velvet pictures are coming in and my blood starting

1615
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 1: to boil. My wife sees that, and then she's just like,

1616
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: here we go again. Yeah, I know what you're saying there.

1617
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: All right, So we surproably wrap this up because you

1618
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: gotta get go on soon, I think. But um, if you,

1619
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can either if you've got

1620
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: some offt top of your head, let's roll with it,

1621
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: or maybe we think about until next week. But I

1622
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: think in the past we've we've given each other like

1623
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: challenges for the year, and we've said, Okay, I want

1624
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: you to try to do one thing this year, and

1625
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 1: you tell me something you want me to try to

1626
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: this year. Do you have any challenge? Do you want

1627
01:24:58,680 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: to try to take a step of making a challenge

1628
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: right now? Or do you think we should think about this?

1629
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I think we should think about it. Okay, Well, then

1630
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: let's you have something. I had a couple of ideas,

1631
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: but you're probably right. It's probably better to like take

1632
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: a little time to think about the challenge and then

1633
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: we should we should put some steaks on it too.

1634
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 1: So let's let's think of a challenge for each other.

1635
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: Let's think of some kind of steaks to put on it,

1636
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: and then we'll have a little something to go for

1637
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 1: this year. Hey, I like that idea. Another bet? Yes, friendly, friendly,

1638
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: fun bet. I'm gonna lose my bet with Corey, so

1639
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: I want a chance to try to win with you

1640
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: at least alright, d Man, Well, anything else we should

1641
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: cover before we go, I don't think so. Just you know,

1642
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: as the season starts, uh, as the season starts coming

1643
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: up and you guys start getting into content mode, be

1644
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: sure you go back to past episodes of the you know,

1645
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: all the Wired to Hunt guests that we've had. I mean,

1646
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: we've how many podcasts have we put out now? Hundred

1647
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: and sixty three I think or four somewhere on their

1648
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: A lot. So in in that hundred sixty three there's

1649
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: a ton of great information that you guys can listen

1650
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: to to you know, put yourself in a better position

1651
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: on whatever property that you're hunting. So take the time

1652
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: to go do that. Yeah, the archives, like especially for

1653
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: people that found the podcast more recently, maybe started listening

1654
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: this year, Like, there's years worth of episodes that the content,

1655
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: the stuff we talked about with these guests, it's still

1656
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: applicable today by far. So definitely go back. There's there's

1657
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: the podcast link on the website, or you can go

1658
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: on iTunes or your podcast app or whatever. Scroll back.

1659
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 1: There's some Okay, really quick, what's one of your favorite

1660
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: past guests we've had on You could recommend an episode

1661
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: right now from maybe the first year or two that

1662
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: you can think of, Um, any of that you'd recommend

1663
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 1: off the top of your head. Oh man, put me

1664
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: on the spot. Let's see here. Well, you know, obviously

1665
01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: it's always interesting to hear the thoughts of Mark drewy right,

1666
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 1: um episode number six three yep, yep, So you know

1667
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: you got that. But um, I also really enjoy the

1668
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: UM the one we did with Bronson Strickland, right and

1669
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: just like I'm a I'm a kind of a nerd.

1670
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 1: So the science, like knowing the science and biology about

1671
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: a white Tale is in my opinion, just as important

1672
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: as knowing the terrain and the um you know, the

1673
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: strategy and from where they live. Yeah, speaking of science,

1674
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: we did one with Matt Ross in November of like

1675
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: two fift It was about the science of the rut.

1676
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: That was a really good one. Um oh what else?

1677
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: Are two early episodes of Dan Infalt are classics? Are

1678
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: really good ones from like the first year. Um oh,

1679
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: what's another good one? I like, I really liked our

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Speaker 1: two Steve Bartilla episodes. Our first one in Bartilla in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen is an oldie, but a goodie. Um.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Sturgis. We had an episode of Jeff Sturgis two

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Speaker 1: years ago in the Fall where we talked about like

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Speaker 1: cold fronts and pre rut and stuff like that. That's

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Speaker 1: full of gold. Um. Hey, you know who you know

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Speaker 1: who we need to have on again just because I

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Speaker 1: think the guy is cool? Is um hunter gatherer cook guy?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Hank hank Shaw. Yeah, yes, I could be.

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Speaker 1: I could bullshit with that guy for a little bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He threw in Star Wars references. I like that. Did

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Speaker 1: you ever get his buck Buck Moose book? I did not.

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Speaker 1: You should get it buck Buck Moose. It's a cookbook.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really good. Um, it's all all venison, all

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Speaker 1: types of stuff for dear moose, alkat or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: his jerky recipe in there is the very best jerky

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Speaker 1: I've ever had. So that's the one I use now

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Speaker 1: for all my jerky and highly highly recommended. So there

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Speaker 1: you go. There's our recommendations. Well, my buddy good chatting

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Speaker 1: with you. Glad we can catch up and um, we'll

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Speaker 1: chat next week until next time and with that we

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Speaker 1: will wrap this one up. But I've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of quick closing reminders for you. First, Like we just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: if you're new to the podcast, definitely go back through

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Speaker 1: the archives. We have so many great episodes with expert

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Speaker 1: guests that I think you'll find beneficial. And we've been

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Speaker 1: doing this for Je's three and a half coming up

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Speaker 1: on four years now, so there's a ton of content

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Speaker 1: out there for you to dig into, and you can

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Speaker 1: you can find that on your podcast app, or you

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Speaker 1: can go to wired hunt dot com and click on

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Speaker 1: the podcast link and you'll see all of them right there.

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Speaker 1: So secondly, speaking of if you're not following our blogs

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Speaker 1: and videos and other articles over on wired hunt dot com,

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Speaker 1: I'd highly recommend to do that too. You know, almost

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Speaker 1: every day we've got new new content going up there,

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Speaker 1: so check that out. And the same goes for the

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Speaker 1: wire Hunt and social media, so follow us on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and Instagram and Twitter. Moving on, of course, we want

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Speaker 1: to give a big things to our partners at Sea

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Speaker 1: gear Yetti, Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, Maybe Optics, White Tail Institute,

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Speaker 1: North America, Trophy Ridge, and Hunt Terror Maps their support.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible and we couldn't do this podcast without them,

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Speaker 1: so big thanks. And finally, of course, thank you to

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Speaker 1: all of you out there listening, your time and your

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Speaker 1: attention and your support. It just means the world, So

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Speaker 1: thank you. And until next time, I hope you'll spend

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Speaker 1: a little time thinking through your own goals and hopes

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Speaker 1: for the season, and I hope you'll stay Wired to Hunt.

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