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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to cut into it. We got

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Speaker 2: three audio bits I want to cram into this. Number

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Speaker 2: one is Mark Zuckerberg claims that Meta, which is Facebook,

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Speaker 2: has never considered sharing your data with the Chinese government. Well,

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Speaker 2: Sarah Wynn Williams is a former Facebook employee turned whistleblower,

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Speaker 3: So I want to just be clear about this here

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Speaker 3: in this document, Facebook is talking about making Chinese user

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Speaker 3: store that data in China.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct correct?

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Speaker 3: So when you store that data in China Americans who

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Speaker 3: American data as well.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Through the pop servers potentially? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And Facebook was willing to take that risk.

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Speaker 1: Yes. There was a lot of discussion about this and

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Speaker 1: ultimately yes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is extraordinary. This is exactly contrary to

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Speaker 3: what Facebook has represented for years. Here They're willing to

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Speaker 3: if that means that American user data is also compromised,

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Speaker 3: they're willing to do that too. All for profits in China.

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Speaker 3: There was virtually nothing they weren't willing to do. Kind

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth says, we will take back

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Speaker 2: the Panama Canal from China's influence.

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Speaker 4: United States of America will not allow communists, China, or

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Speaker 4: Our relationship is growing in part to meet communist China's

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Speaker 4: going to be very clear, China did not build this canal,

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Speaker 1: Allies and partners. This is what peace through strength looks like.

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Speaker 2: remainder of the segment, because it's beautiful. Victor Davis Hansen

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Speaker 2: does a be youto ful job of explaining what President

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Speaker 5: If you listen to anything, let it be this. I

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Speaker 1: Some don't want to hear it. He'll just go ahead

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Speaker 1: and say it. Sorry, Michael Very Show, Let's go back.

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Speaker 2: January twenty seventeen. President Trump has, in the most improbable

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Speaker 2: he's going in and the battle really begins now because

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Speaker 2: half the people there can't be trusted, half the people

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Speaker 2: this has been a really soaring administration because President Trump

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Speaker 2: Press Secretary and communications director, and he's our guest. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, good to be with you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You got to be thinking as you see Carolyn Levitt

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny when you say that.

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Speaker 1: Do you say that. I said, because you know, we

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Speaker 6: And I've said to folks before, you know, part of

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Speaker 6: And here's the thing, Michael, I've identified three things, the people,

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Speaker 1: This time, the people.

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Speaker 6: That he's run on board, he knows, he trusts they

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Speaker 6: So that's number one. Then we go to the policies.

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Speaker 6: They didn't just think of this out of thin air.

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Speaker 1: If that's the war, not the battle.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue our conversation with Sean Speiser, former press secretary

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Speaker 2: He has some memories. Shall we say, he's our guests.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the border. Obviously something that y'all worked

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean there's two things. Just one.

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Speaker 6: It proved to me that if you focus on something anything,

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Speaker 1: People came in. They gave him said it's the people

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Speaker 6: They literally it was a magnet to come into this country.

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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris might have told people don't. But the reality

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Speaker 6: In twenty seventeen, you do having fun, I mean, and.

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Speaker 2: You survived in time because, as you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of guys don't walk away from this thing able to

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Speaker 2: hold their head up. A lot of guys it chews

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Speaker 2: you up and spit you out. Let me ask you.

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Speaker 2: You said it's about people.

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Speaker 1: But do you know why though.

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Speaker 6: Here here's why though, because honestly, I don't mean to

446
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Speaker 6: sound like I'm not the best at a lot of things,

447
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Speaker 6: but I have my priorities straight. And when the opportunity

448
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Speaker 6: came to get an off ramp, and I said this

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Speaker 6: to the President because he had been very gracious he

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Speaker 6: wanted me to stay in the White House. I was

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Speaker 6: communications director and White House Press secretary. And I think

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Speaker 6: it was the President you need you need a fresh start.

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Speaker 6: And and I.

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Speaker 1: Knew that that was my offering.

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Speaker 6: I honestly believe that God had said to me, Sean,

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now that this is this is

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Speaker 6: our off ramp.

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Speaker 1: And and and.

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Speaker 6: And I knew if I stayed longer, it wouldn't And

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Speaker 6: like I said, here we are eight years later. I

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Speaker 6: call him, he calls me. He was kind enough to

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Speaker 6: reappoint me to the Naval Academy Board. He's endorsed all

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Speaker 6: four of the books that I've written. He literally voted

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Speaker 6: for me on a reality television show when he was president.

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Speaker 1: And I think that is a guy who you know,

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Speaker 1: he's had my.

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Speaker 6: Back and and and I just it is so to

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Speaker 6: your point, Like, part of the thing is that I

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Speaker 6: feel like I knew when a lot of people in

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Speaker 6: Washington can't walk away from power. And I knew the

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Speaker 6: second the day that I said that I was stepping down,

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Speaker 6: that that was going to change forever I would it

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Speaker 6: would never be the same again. But I also knew

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Speaker 6: that if I stayed, it would be the same and

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Speaker 6: it was not going to go. It's in the world

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Speaker 6: as we know it, ends of the world.

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Speaker 2: John Spicer is our guest, Sean. You know, when I

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Speaker 2: assess what the President's been able to do, it's it's

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Speaker 2: in a sort of uh Nixon's first term imperial presidency

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Speaker 2: sort of manner. And and because he has the House

481
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Speaker 2: and the Senate, both of them with a tenuous, delicate,

482
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Speaker 2: dangling majority that could change, and a lot of folks

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Speaker 2: that if they have the chance, would stab him in

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Speaker 2: the back, but right now have to play along. It

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Speaker 2: concerns me because if things have to go through the

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Speaker 2: House or the Senate, we've had We've had pretty good

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Speaker 2: life so far. But it does concern me. What concerns

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Speaker 2: you the most for the continued success of this president

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Speaker 2: in this country, which I know you care so deeply about.

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Speaker 2: Is it the tariffs? Is is it the financial folks,

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Speaker 2: is it Chinese intervention? What are the things that you

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Speaker 2: see on the horizon and you so let's just keep

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Speaker 2: an eye on that.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 6: I think the greatest threat we face is from China.

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Speaker 6: And I think that if we don't like, I think

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Speaker 6: President Trump needs him majority. We watched this this first

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Speaker 6: term when he lost the House majority, they spend all

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Speaker 6: their time in teaching him, obstructing him, and attacking him.

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Speaker 6: And so I think that people have to understand he

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Speaker 6: needs to be able to have the runway. As I

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Speaker 6: mentioned to you a moment ago, like not just to like.

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Speaker 6: I love what he's doing now, the tax cuts, getting

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Speaker 6: the border focused, but if we don't codify some of

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Speaker 6: these things in legislation before, you know, and maintaining a

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Speaker 6: House and Senate majority, I feel good about the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Less so about you know.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, I actually worry that if he doesn't keep

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Speaker 6: the majority, it's the it stunts the uh the progress

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Speaker 6: that we've made.

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Speaker 1: Uh, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: And and you know, it happened so fast that the

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Speaker 2: momentum he with which he started, and as you said,

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Speaker 2: it was it was having a plan that you execute.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have kids. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: been to youth sports, but I've coached youth sports, and

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Speaker 2: when the other team is better than your team and

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Speaker 2: you show up on the first day and you go, oh,

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Speaker 2: those kids, they've been playing together for years. And I

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Speaker 2: got a bunch of kids their first year and you know,

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Speaker 2: oh wow, we we came to the battle and got whipped.

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Speaker 2: He did that to them, and and it was a

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Speaker 2: blitz grig. He came in and he just rolled over them.

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Speaker 2: And now I worry. You know, we've got to keep

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Speaker 2: that momentum going. And that's my concern. And I know

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Speaker 2: you've been in that room where you talk about how

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Speaker 2: to jump start that momentum and get it going again.

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Speaker 6: And uh, and that's the key is it stay stay focused.

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Speaker 6: And I think the president has a focus. You know

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Speaker 6: that he didn't And again it's not that he didn't,

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Speaker 6: it's not. I don't feel like this is a slight

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Speaker 6: to say, but I think he is so much more

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Speaker 6: driven now. Four years out of office has given him

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Speaker 6: such different perspective about how to get the job done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything quite like this. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: we had we've had very few presidencies separated in this way,

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Speaker 2: and I think once you're in the White House, you

539
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Speaker 2: don't get better. We've seen a decline in presidents in

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Speaker 2: the in the second term, and you're just fending off.

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Speaker 2: But it's like those years in Siberia. It's much like

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Speaker 2: when Nixon leaves the vice presidency in sixty and loses

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Speaker 2: the governor's race in California in sixty two. And from

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Speaker 2: sixty two to sixty eight, he got better and he

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Speaker 2: got stronger, and he understood his support and he understood

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Speaker 2: where his voters were. And I think those four years,

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Speaker 2: oddly enough, even though he's being dragged to court, I

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Speaker 2: think Trump did some very deep thinking and I think

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Speaker 2: he sought some good input. Oh yeah, and he's a

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Speaker 2: different man today, and he's a better leader because of

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Speaker 2: He's more effective for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it, No question about it.

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Speaker 6: And so I think the time away, the assassination attempts

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Speaker 6: were all critical and that thinking.

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Speaker 2: When you look at the American public's reaction to Trump,

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Speaker 2: you know, when y'all came in, he was still a

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Speaker 2: shock in all guy. People were still sort of frightened

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Speaker 2: of him. I think people have come to understand, hey,

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Speaker 2: he can say something. He can threaten something, he can

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Speaker 2: promise something, he can insult somebody from being fat, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be okay. Is it interesting or what's your reaction

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Speaker 2: to how America has learned to process Trump and understand

563
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Speaker 2: that's just who he is.

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Speaker 6: Well, this goes to the point you are making. I

565
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Speaker 6: think one of the things we've only had at one

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Speaker 6: time previously in history is that when you're able to

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Speaker 6: contrast like so normally, you know, I think it's two

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Speaker 6: consecutive terms and you know, maybe have some you know,

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Speaker 6: you go, gosh, I wish we had them back or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But Trump when he ran.

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Speaker 6: Against Biden, they contrasted their policies. You know, Biden got

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Speaker 6: into office, and then when Trump came in back and

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Speaker 6: office where Trump was running again, I think people said, okay,

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Speaker 6: maybe we didn't like some of the style thing, but

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Speaker 6: we really saw the difference in policies between Trump and Biden,

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Speaker 6: and we need them back. And that was what I

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Speaker 6: think was critically different, is that the American people had

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Speaker 6: a contrast that was so different.

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Speaker 1: So I was excited.

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Speaker 6: I think it's it can't be overstated how impactful it is.

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Speaker 1: Having four years between was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And but what's amazing, is you know, unlike Reagan,

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Speaker 2: who comes on to the scene seventy six, Ford holds

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Speaker 2: onto the nomination in eighty. He comes back stronger, but

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Speaker 2: he spends those four years in relative peace and quiet

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Speaker 2: and meetings and this sort of thing. Those weren't four

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Speaker 2: quiet years. I mean, those were four tough years of

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Speaker 2: being dragged to court and insulted and threatened. And yet

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Speaker 2: all the while he was he was reloading. And I

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Speaker 2: think that I've never seen anything like this. It's a

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Speaker 2: juggernaut the likes of which I've never seen. You've been

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Speaker 2: around politics, you know, at the highest levels, but I've

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Speaker 2: never seen a candidate like this, and I don't see

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Speaker 2: a candidate in the offing like this. Let me ask

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Speaker 2: you this, do you think the president is able to

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Speaker 2: hold his coalition through the entirety of his president and presidency?

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Speaker 2: Obviously the midterms are going to be important. Who out

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Speaker 2: there worries you as a break in the facade or

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Speaker 2: break in in the the consensus?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think any.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think it's it's rock solid. You've

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Speaker 6: seen so many of these folks. We didn't have that

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Speaker 6: case in the Trumpet, the Freedom Caucus, when we try

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Speaker 6: to repeal healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Was was Trump's biggest opponent. And so now.

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Speaker 6: Having like you watch just this budget resolution in the past,

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Speaker 6: you know, the Freedom calc Is, Andy, Andy Harris and

608
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Speaker 6: Chip Roy of Texas all you know, eventually came on board.

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Speaker 1: That was huge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I what I see is that there his

611
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Speaker 2: support is so deep and so committed and so zealous

612
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Speaker 2: that you can't just oppose him if you are a

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Speaker 2: Republican without being punished for it. His support says, hey,

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Speaker 2: I got it, mess, you got your high minded position,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to punish you. And I think they've

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Speaker 2: learned from that and that that's a real impressive way

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Speaker 2: to govern. It's a consensus government. Well, but see, it's

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Speaker 2: not just the person.

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Speaker 6: Back when I was on the hill for a while

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Speaker 6: and the early two thousands, Tom Delay with the majority whip,

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Speaker 6: and people knew not to cross Tom because you know,

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Speaker 6: he would exact political revenge. Donald Trump. It's not even that.

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Speaker 6: I think people understand the movement will get you. It's

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Speaker 6: not Donald Trump. People will will you know, or your

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Speaker 6: constituents will come after you. And that's that's I think

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Speaker 6: the big difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen at any level of government, an

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Speaker 2: officeholder or candidate whose supporters are so willing to go

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Speaker 2: to bat for him and and you know, I've seen

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Speaker 2: that with foreign leaders, but certainly none. And his is

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Speaker 2: such a committed relationship and he knows it and he

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Speaker 2: puts it to good use. John Spicer, you are the

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Speaker 2: best here. Welcome back anytime. Thank you, my man, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You appreciate it. Take care of mine els, thank you,

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Speaker 1: and good night,