1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Arizona straight to the line. There's the snap to Murray. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Murray looks left pumps once looking looking a lot of time. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Now we throve and it didn't suthing about a line 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: picked up down the left sideline, picked up a block 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: at the dirty twenty twenty Amoni ten five, Pity's spot 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: out a pound right there, I say you twenty four, 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: I see you. Welcome to another week of the twenty 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Men in the Huddle podcasts. And yes, that's right, ladies 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. I am joined by the Hall of Famer 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: Michael O'Hara, and we are going to break down Mike 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: everything OTA's mini camp offseason. We are gonna get everyone 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: out there excited for the start of training camp in 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: about six weeks. But six weeks, so you got anything 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: planned six weeks? What do you got going on in 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: the summer. I'm gonna try and play a little bit 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: of golf and do a little bit of writing, and 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: I'll still put some stuff out on the website Detroit 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: Lions dot com and ask them, being in Hall of Famer, 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: whow as only you could, Michael, as only you could 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: I could put pick my putting my feet up and 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: relax anywhere, all right. So we saw three open Ota practices, 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: one of them just with some of the younger guys, 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: but two veteran ones, and then we saw three days 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: of the mandatory mini camp in June. So, I guess, 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: what is one thing maybe that jumped out to you 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: in the spring. It could be a position group, a 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: comfort level of a player, the one side of the ball. 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: Was there anything maybe that that jumped out to you 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: this spring? Yeah, right from the beginning. To me, it's 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: they're kind of interconnected, but energy and just sort of 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: the joy of playing. Look like a bunch of guys 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: who you know, came, hey, i'll meet you down at 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the corner and I'm gonna play ball today. And that's what. 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: No more organized than that, don't get me wrong, But 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: I just thought looked like guys who were happy to 36 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: be there, glad to be there, and they wanted to 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: get better. And maybe that goes with, you know, with 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: the youth that they have on this team. Now, I 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: think you've said this a couple of times. They only 40 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: have one player on the roster over twenty nine years old. 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: I think it's Brockers, is it. Yeah? And I think 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: some of that showed him. You know, I think these guys, 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't think have quite the scar tissue that some 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: of the predecessors had here, and that's a good thing 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: for them. And I think one thing I noticed too 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: is maybe a comfort level with a regime, a GM, 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: a front office, a coaching staff that's in their second 48 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: year too. It's not a feeling out process like last 49 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: year was. Look, you know, you get hired late in 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: the process, right, and you're scrambling all of a sudden, 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: it's the players, they're here, and it's ots you're trying 52 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: to implement your schemes and just really trying to get 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: to know these guys. And I think heading into year two, 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I just noticed a real comfort level with knowing what 55 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: guys can do, comfort level with the coaches, and it 56 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: just seemed like like a much smoother operation. Yeah, a 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: couple of things about that, and you're dead on and 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: and and part of it is they tweaked the you know, 59 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: the coaching staff a little bit. There wasn't a massive overhaul, 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: but well, I think when you change offensive coordinators that's 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: pretty I wouldn't say that's massive, but it's all gone important. 62 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, I would I would agree with that. And 63 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: just just one thing that that happened in Dan Campbell's 64 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: first year as head coach. He comes in, there was 65 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: so much to do because really this really is a rebuild. 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: This is the fact they're going to you know, one 67 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: of the big box stores to buy the parts and 68 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: all that and put them together. That's just not just 69 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: pick them through the rubble. And if this is a house, 70 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: they're they're starting to build the framework here. Say where 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: did that whole come from? You know? But uh, but 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: to that point, you know, Dan Campbell just ran out 73 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: of time to arrange a combined practice, yeah, joint practice. Yeah. 74 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: And he said that last year. He said he just 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: didn't have time to do it because he had so 76 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: many other things to do it. Now, maybe somebody could 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: have done it for him. I don't think it's hard 78 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: to call up and call Indian say, hey, would you 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: guys like to work out together? But just it's just 80 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes some things are more important than others right 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: now And that was one of those right now moments 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: last year. Now everything that is you look at it, 83 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,279 Speaker 1: it's a completely different operation all right, football wise specifically, 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: And I'll open it up to anything offense, defense specific player. 85 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: Maybe something that jumped out to you that that made 86 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Michael Harris smile or made Michael hair say, okay, hey, 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: they might be on the right track here. I think 88 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Jared Goff he looked like the quarterback of the Detroit Lions. 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: To me, he didn't look like a guy who had 90 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: been dropped off here on the way to something else. 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: And then the way he exited the Los Angeles Rams, 92 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: I think he heard he heard on the radio or 93 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: something like that that he'd been traded. They didn't bother 94 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: to call him, and I think, you know, it looked 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: everything about the twenty twenty one season for Jared Goff 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: was a massive change. California kid going moving over to 97 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: the West Side, leaving a you know, leaving a team 98 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: that's really a super Bowl team which was proven out, 99 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, and probably in the back of his mind, 100 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: he's probably think I could have done that too, you know, 101 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: because I got there once before and all of that, 102 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he's coming to a team 103 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: that really is was rebuilding, sort of like his rookie year, 104 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: and we know how that went. He went over and 105 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: seven as a starter in the last seven games, but 106 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: he looked at me like a guy. They looked like 107 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: a man in charge, which you supposed to be. He's 108 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and he looked like the starting quarterback of 109 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: a National Football League team. Now, look that that's my 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: view of it. Things could change. He could know, he 111 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: could fall apart in the first four weeks of the season, 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: or he could start out and just take things by 113 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: storm because he has some real assets to work with now. 114 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: And to your point, I think there was a comfort 115 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: level there too. I mean Ben Johnson sat him down 116 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: and said, hey, what do you like to do? You 117 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: know what fits you best? And they went and looked 118 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: at some of the film from twenty seventeen twenty eighteen 119 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: when he was a Pro Bowl player, when he brought 120 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: the Rams to a Super Bowl. Like you mentioned, what 121 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: was great about those teams? What made Jared so successful? Well, 122 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: if they could run the football right. Check here. Last 123 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: year the Lions, for the first time since nineteen ninety 124 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: eight when Barry Sanders was tot in the rock. They 125 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: had eighteen hundred rushing yards, twelve rushing touchdowns, an average 126 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: four point four yards per carry, and done that since 127 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: Barry Sanders in ninety eight. So they can run the football. Well, 128 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: guess what the Rams could run the football with Todd 129 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: gurl back in that time too, Right, They had a 130 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: good offensive line, they had some weapons on the outside. 131 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: And so now you go back and say, hey, what 132 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: did Jared do that was really well with some of 133 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 1: those teams. Let's implement it here. And now, obviously Ben's 134 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: going to have his own wrinkles and his own stuff 135 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: that he likes that that are going to be in 136 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: there too. But it was really a collaborative effort more 137 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: than I think a veteran quarterback gets in an offense. 138 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: And I think when I looked at that and how 139 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: it translated to the field, there was really a comfort 140 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: level with Jared. Yeah, I would agree with that. I 141 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: remember him talking about that that play action. He was 142 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: talking about some of the stuff that they had talked 143 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: over in the offseason getting ready for twenty twenty two, 144 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: and he was talking about the stuff we did with 145 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: the Rams. He said, we were great in play action. 146 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: And that's such a huge aspect of especially when you 147 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: think about the fact that this could be a top 148 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: five offensive line with a couple of running backs that I 149 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, me and you both like but then 150 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: the speed that they've added on the outside and the 151 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: weapons that they've added to that wide receiver corps that 152 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: really can make a huge frienz. Can it right? I 153 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: would agree with you. And then there's one there's a 154 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: guy on ice right now and that's Jamis Yas Williams. 155 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: And everybody you talked to, including Jamison Williams, can't wait 156 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: for him to get out there and play it. Now. 157 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: When that will be, I don't know. For me. I 158 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: want to see him play. Yeah, that's part you know. Yeah, kid, 159 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: you can heel as fast as you can. I want 160 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: to see him play. I want to see him out there. 161 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: And just what but what's one area of this offense 162 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: when you were watching it the spring that you think 163 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: has a chance to be much more improved? And I 164 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: think I know the answer. I think it's probably with 165 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: both of us. But I'm holding up five or four 166 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: fingers in a thumb. They got their five starting offensive 167 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: linemen together. Now, that's hut stands out. Like I think 168 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: you said that when we were out there watching watching 169 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: the last mini cam practice. You said they got their 170 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: starting five at their starting five, not one game last year. 171 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Did Taylor Decker Big v Jonah Jackson, Frank reag Now 172 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: and Pennis who will play a game together last year, 173 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't think there's been this much excitement about a 174 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: starting five since the Red Wings Russian five. Mike with 175 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: the quick wins, he's always grasp I love having Mike 176 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: on the pod because he's going to throw a couple 177 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: lot one liners in there. And I hope you guys 178 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: have a pad pencil you can track all these one liners. Well, 179 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: AJ would give my phone back. I've got a lot 180 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: more than I thought I was going to be able 181 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: to use, but I wasn't able to. For me, it's 182 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: it's that wide receiver corps. I agree with you with 183 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line two. But to me, night and day, 184 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: night and day, from what it was this time last 185 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: year to what it is now. And obviously you know 186 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams isn't going to be ready for day one 187 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: a camp, but you hope, you know, the first month 188 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: of the season, you know, maybe late in camp or 189 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: early in the year, the first six weeks, maybe after 190 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: the buy you see him. I think it'll be earlier 191 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: rather than later. And then obviously Djhark six foot four, 192 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, runs of four to three, a guy who's 193 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: had a thousand yards season in the NFL. And you 194 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: bring back Josh Reynolds, a guy who you know, I 195 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: thought was a difference maker for them when they went 196 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: and got him the second half of last year. Calif Raymond, 197 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: who did some good things. Obviously a'man ross Saint Brown, 198 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: and the expectations are that he's going to have a monster, 199 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, second season and all that, Mike, And all 200 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're talking about a guy like Quinte 201 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: c Fist, who's who's been you know, really good for 202 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: several years league receiver. Yeah, A good yeah, a good 203 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: player average seventeen and a half yards per reception as 204 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: a rookie, was really having a good start first month 205 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: through a season before a collarbone injury Week five ended 206 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: his season. We're talking about him. Is maybe your number 207 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: six guy right now, Mike. I mean, if you're Antoine 208 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Randall l and some of those guys you're looking at, 209 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I really like that where this wide 210 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: receiver room is trending. And I also like, what's what's 211 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: there with it? Is TJ Hockinson. Look, I think he's 212 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: been a really good player. I do, and brock Wright. 213 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: I think might be a number one backup now, just 214 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: based on what he did starting the last six games 215 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: of last season when after TJ had gone out with 216 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: it was a foot injury or whatever it was. And 217 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: I think I think there's absolute depth at every position 218 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: on this team on offense. We'll get to the other 219 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: part of a defense later, but I think offensively they're 220 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: set up now. Are they an all time great, No, 221 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: but they're more than good enough to really carry this 222 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: team to a certain degree. One offensive player you think 223 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: can have a breakout season in twenty twenty two, DeAndre Swift. Yeah, honestly, 224 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: I really do. I just because I don't think that 225 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: he's come close to maximizing what he can do now. 226 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: Is he any better now than he was a year ago? 227 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: I think he's just probably more aware of the game, 228 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: and he's got a First of all, he's got to 229 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: stay healthy. He's got to protect himself a little bit. 230 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: You know, That's that's part of it too, because you 231 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: get you know, it's like I'm at Smith once said, 232 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: playing running back in the National Football League is twenty 233 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: five car crashes a week. Now, you know, that's just 234 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: the way it is. That's the position, right, that's the position. 235 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: But I think DeAndre can be just a tremendous player 236 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: both as as running the ball. I mean he can 237 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: break it and gone at an instant, and the same 238 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: thing you get that ball to him as a receiver 239 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: in space, And I just think he's just as natural 240 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: football instincts, I really do. And I just I think 241 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: the best is you have to come. I'm not talking 242 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: about you know, five yards rushing and five hundred receiver. 243 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking about getting up there on near a thousand 244 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: and both. Wow, I think you could be two thousand 245 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: scrimmagy guy. I think fifteen hundred yards is definitely realistic 246 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and what a great thing if he could get around 247 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and be one of those. But they also 248 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: have other guys they can run too, and that'll take 249 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, that'll take yeah, first of all, that'll extend him, 250 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: but they'll also take away some of his opportunities. But 251 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: I think people forget that he was leading all why 252 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: all running backs excuse me in receptions when he went 253 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: down on Thanksgiving with their shoulder injury and missed what 254 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: four or five games something like that. Yeah, and that 255 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: was a tough injury to a shoulder injury, because that's 256 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: that's that's the first point of contact. Yeah, that in 257 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: the neck, you know, that's the first points of contact. 258 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: That's tough to play with that stuff. I'm gonna throw 259 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: another name out there. I agree with you one hundred 260 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: percent with DeAndre Swift, but another name, I think Penny Swell. 261 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: And some people might say, well, you know, Penny had 262 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: a terrific rookie year. He was on the Pro Football 263 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: Writers All Rookie Team. But I think there was a 264 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: little bit of a learning curve there, you know, as 265 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: with all rookies. I think maybe just the speed of 266 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: the game you have to understand. And when Penney was 267 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: in college at Oregon, he faced an elite guy, you know, once, twice, 268 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: three times, you know, four times maybe in a season. 269 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: In the NFL, you're facing the best of the best, 270 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: the elite edge rushers every single week. And now you 271 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: put on top of the fact that he's trained as 272 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: a right tackle, he has to flip over to left 273 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: tackle because of the injury did Taylor Decker? Now he's 274 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: going back to the right side when Taylor returns, And 275 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: I think he just took off that second half of 276 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: the year. I thought he was tremendous, and I think 277 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: we are legit talking about a Pro Bowl caliber right 278 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: tackle and Mike. We could have a three Pro Bowl 279 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: players on this offensive line. And I consider Taylor Decker 280 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: the left tackle, a top ten tackle the left tackle 281 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: in the league too, So just I think Pennay can 282 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: have a really great breakout second season be a Pro 283 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: Bowl caliber guy. And they already joined Jackson to let 284 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: the left guard in his second year made the Pro Bowl, 285 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: So I yeah, they're really stapped there, they really are. 286 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: I think they've really seven quality starters in that in 287 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: that room, including Matt Nelson and Evan Brown. Yeah in 288 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: the center if Brown, Yeah that those are starting caliber players. 289 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: And they've proven that too, not just you saw him 290 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: in the preseason. They never played again, No, those guys 291 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: played eleven and thirteen starts each, you know, I mean combined, 292 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, that's twenty four starts out of guys who 293 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: were never drafted in the National Football League. Matt Nelson 294 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: came into the league as a defensive lineman and get 295 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: converted Weber's that was a genius idea. Whoever did it 296 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: he was? And Evan Brown, you know, kind of bounced around. 297 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: They signed him Rid around Christmas time two years ago. 298 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: You know what a present? You know, Logan Stenberger, guy 299 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: from a few years ago, got an opportunity to it, 300 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: got a chance to play this spring, got some first 301 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: team reps. But yeah, it got hurt. And here's kind 302 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: of a maker break. I can he beat one of 303 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: those guys that maybe steps in as as kind of 304 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: a key backup type guy. Well, he came out of 305 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: he was Kentucky Tucky. Yeah, a Kentucky run heavy and 306 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: he was a mall and that's what he said. He 307 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: liked to beat people up or whatever it was. Yeah, 308 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: what's what, But that's what kids say when they get drafted, 309 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: like to you know, mash people in all that grind 310 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: him into the dirt. Well, hasn't quite worked. Everybody's been 311 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: hurt a lot. But yeah, I would agree that this 312 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: is it's either elevator or or or this is it 313 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: or or you Yeah, this is a defining season for him, 314 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: which is Look, this is a pressure business you're in, 315 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: and that's not such a bad thing to be in. Defensively, 316 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: let's shift to the other side of the ball. Obviously 317 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: an area that this team Dan Campbell, Brad Holmes, they 318 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: knew it had to be better. Um, you look at 319 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: some of the free agent editions. You look at their draft, 320 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: six of their eight draft picks were on the defensive 321 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: side of the ball. They had to infuse, you know, 322 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: some talent there. They were ranked in the bottom three 323 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and just about every major statistical category on defense. And 324 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: sure you like some of the young players, do you 325 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: like the coaching staff with with a G and Aubrey present, 326 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: Aubrey pleasant, excuse me, and some of those other guys, 327 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: But it's an area that needed to get better. And 328 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: I guess when you watched them defensively this spring, and 329 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: we should preface this by saying this was in helmets 330 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: and not pads, and it's guy's running around it George 331 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: by the Pajama Olympics, Dan Campbell called it. So you 332 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: have to take everything we say with a grain of 333 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: salt when we talk about, you know what we're watching 334 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: in the spring. But defensively, Mike, is there anything maybe 335 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: that jumped out to you or that you that you 336 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: looked at and stood out well to me, it's it's 337 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: it's sort of the youth on that excuse me, on 338 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: that side, of the ball. Excuse me, it's the youth 339 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. I think, uh, A 340 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: holdover player from last year, a third round draft pick 341 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty one draft, a Meal McNeil, Ali McNeil. 342 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: He really has emerged as a young leader and only 343 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: his second season. I think that's Todd Washer we talked 344 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: to just after the end of the season in the 345 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: last last, last or next to last week of practices 346 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: with the rookie, said that he's he's going to run 347 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: that room. It really is. And that's it. To have 348 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: a guy who's at first of all, he's good. He's 349 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: big six two or three, twenty and and agile and 350 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: all of that. I think that you need that. He 351 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me and this is a big, big watch, 352 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: but they're a big jump I think is so he 353 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: minds me a Jerry Ball back in the you know, uh, 354 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, nineteen nineties and all that called him the Governor. Yeah, 355 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: and he really he ran. I think you met him 356 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: once and he was did Yeah, he could just see 357 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: he just had it. He had it. Yeah, he had 358 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: it and he knew it and you know it. You know, 359 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: I got to ask him one time we're talking about 360 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: the draft, I said, uh, it's like draft and Barry Sanders. 361 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: This was nice as we need a running back, not 362 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: running backwards. That was the kind of guy that he was. 363 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: He made his opinions known and he really he helped 364 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: run the locker room. There are a lot of guys 365 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: that had on that team that were like that though, 366 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: But I think Allim McNeil is one of those. And 367 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: we'll see how some of the other guys, you know, developed, 368 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: like Leve Islands a routgue it's you know, it's time, 369 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: it's time. Look, he was injured last year. Yeah, we 370 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: talked about and we talked about the injury. He had 371 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: to the point where he couldn't sit in a chair 372 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: during team meetings. He had a stand up because he 373 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: had a back or neck or hip or whatever. It was, 374 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff, and you know that's all connected. You know, 375 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: one part of it hurts, It all hurts. So I 376 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: think those guys have to come out, and I think 377 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: they all to a player like the idea of the 378 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: of a run on the four three front from now 379 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: on and with an attacking as opposed to reading and reacting. Yeah, 380 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: that's where I was going to get to. And that's 381 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: the thing that I noticed that jumped out to me, 382 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: at least right away watching it, was it seemed to 383 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: me that the defensive line, the front seven, was able 384 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: to affect the quarterback much more this spring than I 385 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: can remember last year. And again it's you're not sacking 386 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: the quarterback, you're not hitting him, but you're getting to 387 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: him in the whistle blows and you're affecting plays. And 388 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: I can't remember as many times last spring as that 389 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: being the case, quarterbacks being flushed out of the pocket, 390 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: just offensive plays not being on time because of the 391 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Russian I think a lot of it is because of 392 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the scheme you mentioned it. They're going from a three 393 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: to four kind of read and react and when we 394 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: when we talked to Todd wash this offseason, he said 395 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: it was more like, you watch what the guard does 396 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: and then your first step is tailored to his first step, 397 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: and so you're you're it's a read and react defense, 398 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: whereas switching to a four to three now he said, look, 399 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: we're we're attacking. We're playing on the heels of the 400 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: offensive lineman now. And they think they have guys and 401 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: he mentioned a lem who you talked about as being athletic. 402 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: Guys they think can be playing the opponent's backfield, can 403 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: be more athletic, can get up the field, can cause havoc. 404 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: And I think with the additions of Adan Hutchinson with 405 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: a number two pick, with the additions of Josh Pascal, 406 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: with getting Charles Harris back, and obviously getting Romeo back, 407 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: and you know, guys like Julian Aquara taking the next step. 408 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: You know, I think I think it's and I appreciate 409 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: the fact that Aaron Glenn, who grew up in three 410 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: to four principles, can say, hey, look, I think my 411 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: personnel maybe fits a little bit more of this attacking 412 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: four three type style. Instead of trying to have players 413 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: fit to scheme, why don't we say, hey, why don't 414 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: we change scheme a little bit to match these players 415 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: and their skill sets a little bit better, and let's 416 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: attack and let's see what happens. And I thought that 417 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: was something that jumped out to me in the spring. No, 418 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: I would agree with it. And this is going to 419 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: sound a little odd to put it this way, but 420 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: Antoine Randall, l wide receivers coach, was talking to the 421 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: media right after the end of the mini camp and 422 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: he was talking about what he tells his wide receiver. 423 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: He says, no, you don't have to beat the dB. 424 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: You have to beat the defensive line before they get 425 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. It's a good line, and it was 426 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: a good line by by Antoine Randall, who as as 427 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: a wide receiver to National Football League with the Steelers 428 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: for a long time, had a dog on good one. 429 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: He knew that that's you got to get from point 430 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: A to point B and get there as a wide 431 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: receiver before the defensive line gets to your quarterback. And 432 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: that just goes to show you what the pressure on 433 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback means in the National Football League. So obviously 434 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: a big point of emphasis or a big key to 435 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: improving that pressure is Aiden Hutchinson. Absolutely Number two, Absolutely, 436 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: pick and maybe just any Just the impact you think 437 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: Aiden can have early in his career. And obviously we 438 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: have to see it pads in training camp and everything else, 439 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: but from what we saw in the spring, a guy 440 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: who'se versatile, can play outside, inside, he's got a plethora 441 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: of pass rush moves. Just the impact you think that 442 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: that young man can have early on in his career. Well, 443 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: if he does what he did it. If if he 444 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: progresses from what he did at Michigan to hear that 445 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions what he can do in the national football 446 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: they they've really got something. I think they really do 447 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: have something. Is it going to be the next J. J. Watt. 448 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Let's first of all, let's set him be the next 449 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson and we'll go from there. But I liked 450 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: what I saw on him. He was more nimble than 451 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: I thought he would be. Uh, he's kind of lean, 452 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: you know, and that to kind of wonder about that 453 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: only be able to bend and all that. But that's 454 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: that's what toddwash said that he came right out and said, 455 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: I think he started his press this press conference and 456 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: you want to call it that he said by saying 457 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: one thing he noticed he's better than they thought he was. Yeah, 458 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: and I was kind of surprised, you know that he 459 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: said that he's a little bigger than I thought he 460 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: was too. When you stand next to him, I mean 461 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: that's six s's all of six to six yeah, six seven, 462 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: maybe he might be six seven. I mean he's a big, 463 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: long um kind of just has length and frame and 464 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: I like the ability of him to move inside he's 465 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: got some power to his game too. But to me, Mike, 466 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: the thing that I think Lions fans are gonna love 467 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: about him, and I saw it a little bit in 468 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: the spring, is the motor. Yeah, it never stops. I 469 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: know we were talking in the car one time and 470 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: you referenced to play about Ziggianza from years back as 471 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: he made a play against the Minnesota Vikings and the 472 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: fifty where he ran fifty yards down field and tackled 473 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson like inside the ten yard line, saved a 474 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: touchdown and Minnesota ended up having to kick a field 475 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: goal on that thing. And I think ap he some 476 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: of us went into the Viking slacker room after the 477 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: game and asked him about the game and all that, 478 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: and he said, all the thing that stood out for me. 479 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: He didn't say that that, but the way he said 480 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: was was whatever that played the ninety four made. Yeah, 481 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: you said, you know, you don't see that. I think 482 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: you can see that from number ninety seven a little 483 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: bit here. I think, same type player. I mean, he's 484 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: never ever going to quit on a play ever, And 485 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: I think that that's going to serve him well early 486 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: in his care as he figures out technique and how 487 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: tackles are going to try to attack him, and studying film, 488 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that that never leaves is 489 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: is the want to right and and just the motor. 490 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: And I think you can make plays in this league 491 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: if you are relentless. Yeah, I would agree with that. 492 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: And it's the one thing I wonder at that's at 493 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: that size, you know, at that height, like six six 494 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: six seven, I think he's probably six seven, can like 495 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: veteran offensive tackles get into your pads, you know, And 496 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: and and is it easier to control a taller player 497 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: than it is a shorter player. I think it probably is. 498 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: Is just you know, just just the way it is. 499 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: And so I wonder if that'll work for him, will 500 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: that work against it? But will not mean anything? I 501 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: don't know or you know, it could also work to 502 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: his advantage that size that he can get to balls too. 503 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: But that size also I think allows him to move inside. Yeah, 504 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: And I think you can have some of those NASCAR 505 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: pass packages where you have you know, Romeo Aquara and 506 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: Charles Harris on the outside, you have Josh piscoll Or, 507 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Leavin owns Arique and Aiden Hutchinson inside and now as 508 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: a guard, you're a little less prepared for that kind 509 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: of speed on the interior, those kind of pass rush moves. 510 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: Normally you're facing big three tax or nose tackles, and 511 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: so I think, you know, being able to move him 512 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: around and do some different things, I think, you know, 513 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: could could serve him well early on as well. Yeah, 514 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: I think they have some guys who are really who 515 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: built athletically to play the fourth through. I really do 516 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: speed guys, you know, like Julian you know, Julian o'quire 517 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: and ye that group, and Ellen Charles Harris. I think 518 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: they call him a linebacker. I think he's really sort 519 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: of an outside linebacker, pass rusher or whatever. I think 520 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: those guys, I think they're built for that. I really do. 521 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: Now look at to the rush of the linebackers themselves strictly, 522 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: that that might be another issue, But but I like 523 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: what they have in terms of what pure defensive lineman. 524 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: All Right, we talk about it offensively, who could be 525 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: potentially Michael Haa's breakout star defensively in twenty twenty two. Well, 526 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave Hutchinson out of it because he's supposed 527 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: to be supposed to be the number two pick. You've 528 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: got to come in and make a make a big impact. 529 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: Did I stump Did you stump the dun? Yeah? Did 530 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: I stemp him? Oh? My goodness, Well, I have to 531 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: savor this moment. Get bumber thirty first time? Is it date? Okay? 532 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna I think it's gonna come at 533 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: a safety position to Sean Elliott. Oh that's a good one. Yeah, 534 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: because I think I think you got a guy back 535 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: there who's done it. He's when when he's healthy. He 536 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: played all sixteen games in the last season. He's a 537 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: banger out there. He's a thumper. I think you need 538 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: a little bit of a I think a little bit 539 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: needed a little bit of the town sheriff back there 540 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: to make people look want to know where you are. Yeah, 541 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: not that I ever needed one. Okay, So minus Aidan Hutchinson, obviously, 542 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: you know a guy who I'm really anxious to watch, 543 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: and there's really two for me. Jeff Okuda obviously is one. 544 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: But I have to see kind of where that Achilles is, 545 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: where he is physically before we start talking about a 546 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: guy with breakout potential or whatever. And again, he's a 547 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: guy that was a number three pick. You expect him 548 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: to come in and be very good when healthy. Levi Monzerique, 549 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: who you talked about a little bit. He was a 550 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: guy that I went down to the Senior Bowl two 551 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: years ago and he was a guy that really stood 552 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: out to me just his ability to get into the backfield, 553 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: be a disruptive guy. And look, he took a year 554 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: off at Washington, then he was drafted, and then he 555 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: deals with a back injury and training camp, and you 556 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: talked about the issues he had last year, not being 557 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: able to sit down in a chair for meetings and 558 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: just physically not being you know, the player that he 559 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be. And he was still able to make 560 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: some impact plays, especially the second half of the season. 561 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: But now he's healthy, and boy he looks jacked when 562 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: you walk by him. I mean, he was a guy 563 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: that Wash said was in here every single day of 564 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: the offseason lifting, and look, he took the criticism. They said, look, 565 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: you've got to improve your strength, your lower body. You've 566 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: got to be able to take care of your body. 567 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: Availability is the best ability in the NFL sometimes, and 568 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: I think that young man kind of took that to heart. 569 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: He spent his time here, he got big and he 570 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: looks good in the spring, and I think with this 571 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: attacking scheme and him being able to play some three 572 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: tech and possibly move outside and do some things. To me, 573 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: he's a guy that I could, I could certainly seem 574 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: have a real big impact in a second season. Yeah. 575 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: I think coaching can can elevate a player or can 576 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: diminish him, And it depends on how you do it. 577 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: And I think when Anthony Glenn and Todd wash are 578 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: talking to a player, I think there's an awful lot 579 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: of eye contact. Other words, I don't think that you 580 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: start looking off into I think I think their message 581 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: gets home. I really believe that, and I think that's 582 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: important pro young player, isn't The message to them does? 583 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: Look we want you to be better. We're telling you 584 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: of these things because we want you to be better. 585 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: We understand your problem. Let's go play football. I mean 586 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: they were thinking about moving back up into the first 587 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: round last year. Yeah, absolutely, young man. I mean that's 588 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: how much they thought about him. They get him in 589 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: the second round, and then just injuries and everything else. 590 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: It just you saw a little bit at the end 591 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: of the season flashes. But to me, there's a guy 592 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: that I think, you know, if we're talking about this 593 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: defense being a lot better, you're gonna have to get 594 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: some key contributions. Aid's going to have to be good. 595 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: You hope Jeff comes back, and he's the type of 596 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: guy they figure out something. At linebacker, Tracy Walker takes 597 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: the next stepping, becomes one of those upper echelon type 598 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: safeties with the ball production. Amani continues to take the 599 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: next step, and then boom, you get a guy like 600 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: Levi who now gives you that kind of second third 601 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: pass rusher get some rush from the interior, which quarterbacks hate. 602 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: To me. I think that's all part of the pieces 603 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: of how this defense is going to be better. Yeah, 604 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: and I think I agree with you. And I think 605 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: also that look, the offense has to give him some 606 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: help get them off the you know, get them off 607 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: the field in other words, sustained drives and all that. 608 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: I think that whole thing we keep talking about collusion 609 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: throughout the Detroit Lions organization, well, I think they need 610 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: collusion on the playing field too, And I think they 611 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: need the offense to just do a little bit more 612 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: to give those guys a break while they develop. So 613 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: you mentioned Sean Elliott the free agent acquisition played with 614 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Baltimore came over. Um, do you think that's your starting 615 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: safety's week one? Deshaun Elliott, Tracy Walker? And where does 616 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: Kirby Joseph maybe fitting in the mix? Well, you know, 617 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: they play an awful lot of three safeties, didn't they 618 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: last season? And I think they probably will again. And 619 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: this is the kid from Illinois, which that wasn't the 620 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: greatest team in the Big Ten by any stretch, but 621 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: he was a really really good player. I think what 622 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: he had five or six interceptions at all in his 623 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: in his year all of don was a senior or 624 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: junior year out exactly how long he was there. But yeah, 625 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: and I had a pretty good mentor there too, you know. 626 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: And and Lovey Smith. You know, he was a good 627 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: offense or defensive coordinator in the National Football League, then 628 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: a pretty successful defensive or pretty successful head coach with 629 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. So I think he's been been well trained. 630 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: And look, playing safety at the Baltimore Ravens is the 631 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: next step has been a Hall of fame. Look at 632 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: the guy who say, look at the guys that you 633 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: know they produced there, I should say developed there. Now, 634 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: they were good prospects to begin with, But now I 635 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: really I really like what I see and Elliott I 636 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: really do. And then um with Kirby, you can also 637 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: throw some diame in there too. You mentioned the three 638 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: safety ball production. I think that's the biggest thing, and 639 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: that's what we talked about. Maybe a little bit of 640 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: the knock on Tracy is that, you know, he's been 641 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: into into in position to make plays, interceptions stuff, and 642 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: maybe hasn't always been able to make those plays. I 643 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: think that's probably the next step for him. It looked 644 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Pro Bowl and the All 645 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: Pros and and all that stuff. It interceptions, you gotta 646 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: have them. That's just that's part of the deal for 647 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: the cornerback and the safety position. I think that's really 648 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: the next step for him, And I know, you know 649 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: some of the coaches have talked about that too, is 650 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: just getting that ball production, and if he does that, 651 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: then I think he can take that next step into 652 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: being one of those maybe upper echelon type guys. Yeah. 653 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say something You've probably heard me say, 654 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, but I'm not interested 655 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: in tackles. Defensively, there's got to be a statistic that 656 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: says plays, Yeah, tackles for law, batted balls, chasing the 657 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: quarterback on it. Whatever. The Lions need more plays, not 658 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: just tackles. I tackle after a six yard game, that's 659 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: not a play to me. That's just somebody had to 660 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: stop him, right, and maybe he stumbled and ran into 661 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: and then he hugged him on the way down. But 662 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: but I want to see plays out of the Detroit 663 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: Lions defense. They had thirty sacks last year, thirty quarterback sacks, 664 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: third fewest international football league get up into the get 665 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: up into the middle forties and something like that. And 666 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: with the more sacks you get, the means that it 667 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: means you've had more pressure. It means you've had all 668 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: of those things that go with it. The sack itself 669 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: is there's the final piece of the puzzle, but all 670 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: that other stuff. The more pressures you get, the more 671 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: saxual good. Getting a quarterback off a spot may absolute 672 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: throw off timing right, and that's just going to help 673 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: the cornerbacks to you. Do you like where the Lions 674 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: are in terms of their cornerback depth, Yeah, I do. 675 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I want to if if Jerry Jacobs 676 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: gets back, and I thought the kid was really on 677 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: his way to be really solid. Yeah, that was a bulldog, 678 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: isn't he? Whoever found him and signed him, that was 679 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: a gem. You know, he's got a raise coming big time, 680 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: and so you have him. You know if at Melifonho 681 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: is going to play some safety, going to play some cornerback, 682 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: I think going to be a matchup piece. You obviously 683 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: have Jeff and then Amani with the breakout season last 684 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: year with six interceptions, um Aj Parker. They went sign 685 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: a veteran and Mike Use. I just I kind of 686 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: like where they're where they're going deathwise at the cornerback spot. Obviously, 687 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's a position that's injured more 688 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: often than any other position in football, so you need 689 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: depth there. But it's a spot I kind of like, 690 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: I kind of like what they're building depth wives there. Yeah, 691 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: but sure you do. That's that is the most injured position. 692 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: That's probably why it's the most drafted position. I think. 693 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's I think it's the only position really 694 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: on the on the team where you'll see five or 695 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: six of them on the on the field at a time. 696 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's how you've got to have them. 697 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: That's how important they are. What's an area of concern 698 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: for you regarding the Lion's defense secondary? Molla. I shouldn't 699 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: say that. I think it's linebacker more than but they're 700 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: not you know, the way they play. You're gonna play? 701 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: Are you gonna play linebackers? Two linebackers and all that. 702 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: I think it is in terms of just the terms 703 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: of the ability that they have there. Maybe they're lacking 704 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: a standout player. It's probably linebacker, but I'd be more 705 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: worried about the about the secondary because of the Yeah, 706 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: when you miss a play there, dun's up on the scoreboard. Yeah, 707 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: it's a little different. I'm with the in terms of 708 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: that linebacker group, and I think it'll be an interesting 709 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to watch that competition as training camp develops, because, 710 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, there isn't a fifty billion dollars linebacker there. 711 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: So there's not that guy that you draft like Aiden Hudson. 712 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: You know he's going to be on your line to 713 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: be part of that, and that's just the deal that 714 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: comes with being the number two overall pick. There isn't 715 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: that guy in that you've got alexand slone. You've got 716 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: Jared Davis. I think one name I think Lions fans 717 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: should really start to think about and get familiar with 718 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: his Chris Board linebacker out of Baltimore, A guy they 719 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: signed in free agency and you know, a guy who 720 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: was taken first team to reps to spring Baltimore. He 721 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: was a core guy there, but he was also the 722 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: guy they used on third down, can play in space, 723 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: and I think those special teams guys some of that 724 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: translated defense. We saw it with Jalen rees Maven a 725 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: little bit last year in his ability coming on third 726 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: down and play passing situations. And you know, I think 727 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: Chris Board is a guy don't be surprised at all 728 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: if you see forty nine in the mix at linebacker 729 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: very early, and that'll be an interesting one to watch. 730 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously they've got Derek Barnes, who 731 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: they hope takes a big step in year or two. 732 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: But there's very much some uncertainty with that linebacker spot, 733 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: right Yeah, I think I think Board is. I think 734 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: he played something like thirty just to kind of average, 735 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: thirty five percent of the snaps perceive that means he 736 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: had a defined role there and he must have been 737 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: good at it because they left a minute. That's a 738 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, look John Hardball and his staff. That's a 739 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: great staff there. It really is one of the best 740 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: in the national football You get one of their players, 741 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, a guy who's been really been groomed to 742 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: play football. All right, So we talked about Hutchinson and 743 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: the impact we expect him to have when you look 744 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: at this rookie class and based off what you watched 745 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: in the spring, and we'll have to project a little 746 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: bit with Jamo. But besides Hutchinson, a rookie that you 747 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: think can have the most impact, most impact, Well, it's 748 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: obvious to me it's Jamison Williams. What we can't that's 749 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: he's off the board, right yeah, And we can talk 750 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: about it because I think we can. We'll go see, well, yeah, 751 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: he's got to get on the field. He's got to 752 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: get on the field. And I think when he gets 753 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: on the field, he's going to turn it up. I 754 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: really do. I think he's gonna be list brother, he's 755 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: gonna be tuned up and ready to go. I know that. 756 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, foot to the pedal and that's a guy 757 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: that did that that they've talked about as having to 758 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: hold back. I had Antoine Randall l on the pot 759 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: and he said, look, he's like Antoine's I'm on Ross 760 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: Saint Brown, excuse me, and that you have to dial 761 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: him back. He wants to go do special teams. He 762 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: wants to go do this and scout team and all this, 763 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: and like, no, we got to focus on this, he says. 764 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is that kind of guy. So it'll be 765 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: fun when he gets out, and I think he will 766 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: make a big impact. Was there anybody else Kirby, Joseph 767 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: or Joseph Kirby, which yeah, I like him, Yeah, yeah. 768 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: First of all, he has production. I'm big on production. 769 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: I think protections big thing and had a big farewell 770 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: season to college football. And I think that's a good 771 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: point to you by you you want guys that can 772 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: get their hands on football and as fact, the quarterback, right, 773 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: that's the key to defense. Affect the quarterback and then 774 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: get your hands on footballs. That's how you change absolutely 775 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: for me. I think Malcolm Rodriguez, their sixth round pick, 776 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: is an interesting one to me just because Calvin Shepherd's 777 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: talked about how smart he is, how you have to 778 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: just basically tell that young man one something one time, 779 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: and then you never have to tell him it again. 780 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: Very very smart, but athletic two was a quarterback, a safety, 781 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: runs a four to five two just athletically has some 782 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: stuff that jumps out. And then when you add the 783 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: smarts and you know his desire to want to be 784 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: good and the way he watches film. I think that's 785 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: a young man. And we talked about the uncertainty at 786 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: the linebacker position. I think that's a young guy that 787 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: has a chance to get on the field early. He 788 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: certainly has a chance to be a core special teams 789 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: guy early. And once you start, as you know, once 790 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: you start making a name for yourself there and start 791 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: doing some things that catch the coach's eyes a media, 792 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: they're going to start to say, well, wait, maybe that 793 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: guy can do that for our defense. To your special 794 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: team's coordinator is going to try to hide him, maybe 795 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: he could start to do that for our defense a 796 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: little bit. And I think that's that's a rookie who 797 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: maybe you know doesn't jump out because he was a 798 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: six round guy, but I think has an opportunity to 799 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: make an impact early on especially on special team I 800 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: watched him do a drill in early I think it 801 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: was early on the rookie rookie minicamp, and it was 802 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: where you you hit the bag and run and they 803 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: take the throw the ball overhand as hard as they can. 804 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: He caught every one of them, every single one of one. Yeah. 805 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: Is there an undrafted rookie that caught your eye at all? 806 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know the Pimpleton kill Little Pimpleton, 807 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Central Michigan. I thought he made 808 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: some plays Raymond and it's kind of the same. Yeah, 809 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: I can see him on the practice squad. Does that 810 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: speak to where this roster is Mike? Well, that that 811 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: we're not talking about undrafted guys that there maybe isn't 812 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: that spot for some of those guys that maybe there 813 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: we kind of knew there was going to be in 814 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: previous years. Is that um speak to where this roster 815 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: development's gone? Well, I think we can just go back 816 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: to what we said before. There's only one player on 817 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: the roster over the age of twenty nine, and so 818 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: the players that you have on your roster, there are 819 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: so many young ones who've been there and they're starting 820 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: to come up you know through your pipeline. That tells 821 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: me that you've drafted pretty well in recent years at 822 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: certain positions and especially last year and this year, and 823 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: you have these guys who are going to be they're 824 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: going to be our players, you know, and they're going 825 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: to be second contract players in otherwise that's I mean, 826 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: we went through a span here once and where they 827 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: had I think one player on a second contract that 828 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: was to show you that he didn't produce anything in 829 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: the draft. I think you have second contract players or now, wow, 830 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: you know one guy that jumped out to me Obena 831 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: as he did, I say that, right, Peach, I got it. Okay, 832 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: I got the thumbs up from our producer P J. Clark. 833 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: Um Opina as a big guy. Yeahs out of TCU 834 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: right three years start at left tackle, six seven three 835 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: thirty four. Um, he just that length plays. I mean 836 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: arms like elephant trunks. I mean they almost got into 837 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: his Yeah, the arms. When you watch him, the arms 838 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: go below his shoulders or blow his shoulders, I would hope, 839 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: so below below his pants before below his shorts to 840 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: his knees. He's got length and he stands out when 841 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: he's out there on the football field. Now, obviously they 842 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: have their top five, and you mentioned how good they 843 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: are at tackle with Penney Sewell and Taylor Decker, but look, 844 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna need depth, right, And that's a guy to 845 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: me that I think just because of his length and 846 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: we'll see when the pads come on and he has 847 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: to start blocking Adan Hudginson, how good he looks. But 848 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: that's another one to me. I'll watch a little bit 849 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: from the undrafted guys that I think, you know, maybe 850 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: just because of some of the physical tools there could 851 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: have a shot if he plays well. You're ya Tittle, 852 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: a great Hall of Fame quarterback played at Yas Christian University, 853 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: drafted by the Detroit Lions in the late forties, signed 854 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: with the rival league, but went on to have a 855 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: great career in the National Football League. Just everything you 856 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: wanted to know. You were thinking about that the whole time. 857 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: I said, Tuk, sure I had the initials right. You 858 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: didn't even hear what I had to say about I 859 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: just wasn't paying attention back to you on the way home. 860 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: All Right, the camp battle you're most looking forward to, 861 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: I'll backup quarterback, and I think it's the one position 862 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: where you really hope you never have to use it. 863 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: But U Boil versus Blow, I mean, I just I 864 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: give I think probably Boyle has a little bit of 865 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: an advantage. I think I think David Blow shows a 866 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: little bit more flare at the position in his own 867 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: He had five starts in twenty nineteen. He went five, 868 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: but he showed a little bit of a flare and 869 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: able to get the ball, the ball the receivers get, 870 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: get them down the field a little bit. I didn't 871 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: afraid to throw down and I didn't I didn't see 872 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: that in Boil, you know. But I think Boyle probably 873 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: hasn't inside shot at it because it's got a year 874 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: in this system already, wide receiver, linebacker for me, kind 875 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: of where that that that safety position in cornerback, how 876 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: the pecking order kind of fits there. I think there's 877 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to watch this training trip. I think, 878 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, last year it was more about Dan Campbell 879 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: and we're watching the coach. We were watching the coach 880 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: right and kind of what the systems were going to 881 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: be and how this staff was going to come together. 882 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: And now I think it's it's all about ball. And 883 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing I'm really looking forward to 884 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: this training camp is just it's all about ballum competitions, 885 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: roster spots, playing time. All that's I think a really 886 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: much better and wider competition throughout the roster, and I'm 887 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Yeah, there's some stuff that goes 888 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: with it in training camps. Who's going to call the 889 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: plays alone? When you get down to the None of 890 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: that stuff matters, right, it really doesn't. But it's fun. Yeah, really, 891 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: it's it's the fun of covering the team too. It's 892 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: it's is Dan Campbell gonna or is it gonna give 893 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: it to? Who? Do you think it's gonna be? By 894 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: the way, that's gonna be benj me too. Yeah, but 895 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,439 Speaker 1: with with advising consent from the head coach, which should 896 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: it's his deal, his program. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, 897 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: but I think they'll work well together. Yeah I do too. 898 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean Dan's the one who promote, well, you changed 899 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: guys at the end of last season, changed that position, 900 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: started calling the place. He did it for a reason. Yeah, Well, 901 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: it should be fun. It'll be really fun. Obviously, We've 902 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: got a little bit of time here to relax, recoup. 903 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: Mike's gonna play some golf, I'm gonna play some golf. 904 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna get away a little bit. Then we'll be 905 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: back at the end of July and it'll be everything, 906 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: training camp, everything, Detroit Lions, everything, Hard Knocks, Hard Knocks. 907 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: You know, I've probably watched five minutes of Hard Knocks. 908 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't really have an opinion on it or anything 909 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: like that. It's just one of those things I don't care. Yeah, 910 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: I'll watch enough football. When they're in your way in 911 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: a press conference, Michael, you're gonna care, so are they. 912 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: He is the Hall of Famer. Michael Harra I am 913 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: Tim Twentyman. Thank you guys for joining another episode of 914 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: the twenty Men in the Huddle podcast. Next week, I'm 915 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: gonna have a player coming. I got Michael Brocker's the 916 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: veteran here to talk everything, Detroit Lions, everything inside that 917 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: locker room. And it should be a fun one. So 918 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: we'll see you guys next week.