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Speaker 1: Hi. Another edition of One Bill's Live Today twelve to

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Speaker 1: three Steve Tasker alongside John Murker. Coming up. At one o'clock,

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Speaker 1: we reach out to author David Halberston. He's compile the

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Speaker 1: list of the top ranked play by play pairs two sports,

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Speaker 1: one market. Where does Buffalo's Van Miller and Rick Jenneret

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Speaker 1: turn out on that? We'll find out. At two o'clock.

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Speaker 1: The business of sports expert Andrew Brant's gonna join us.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna talk about the Lashawn McCoy situation. He's also

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Speaker 1: going to talk to us about the probability of guaranteed

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Speaker 1: players Union's newest grievance against the League's day Right where

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Speaker 1: you are. One Bill's Live starts right now, Oh Tackle

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Speaker 1: by Steve Tasker to the end. Textown, textown, textown, textown,

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Speaker 1: West our times. Hi, They're welcome to the show One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Kalaida Health. We're coming to you

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Speaker 1: from Orchard Ark on another beautiful day and op New York,

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Speaker 1: but right next door to the new air of Field.

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Speaker 1: We're in the ad Pro Sports Training Center. Right inside

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Speaker 1: the front door where it's our one. Buffalo studio is

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Speaker 1: right there. I continue to work on that thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on the ribbon scoreboard. You know what else is going on?

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Speaker 1: We should mention this too. If you're looking forward to

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Speaker 1: the season, this is significant. The trucks are here. They're

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Speaker 1: loading equipment, weight room equipment headed for Saint John Fisher College,

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Speaker 1: right the movie The vans are here today. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: how much stuff they take over there with them. I

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Speaker 1: mean they got truck after truck load of equipment. Saint

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Speaker 1: John Fisher's pretty well appointed anyway, but there's certain things

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Speaker 1: they feel like they got to have for their guys.

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Speaker 1: And this is how long I've been out of it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm walking by and they got all this these equipment,

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Speaker 1: you know, the weight machines and all this other, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the specialized equipment for these guys. Right, and

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Speaker 1: I'm walking by. It's been so long since since I've

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Speaker 1: But some of the equipment that I walked by, I

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Speaker 1: was like, what is how does that work? I mean

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Speaker 1: I see the pads where I think, well, what do

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Speaker 1: you do? Yeah? That's how that's how far off? How

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Speaker 1: far away, I am, you want to stay away from that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wasn't that interested in learning how it worked,

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Speaker 1: I believe me. But I couldn't just look at it

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Speaker 1: the training center here today, the en Pro Sports Training Center.

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Speaker 1: What's going on around the Bills, Well, you know the story.

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Speaker 1: We were shell shocked twenty four hours ago. The Lastaun

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Speaker 1: McCoy news came out just before we went on the

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Speaker 1: took us all of three hours to kind of process steven.

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Speaker 1: Stuff leaked out a little more information today, but it's

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Speaker 1: important to note that there's nothing official, no police reports

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Speaker 1: The Bills stand by their statement from yesterday. They are

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Speaker 1: aware of the situation and investigating. The NFL says the same. Overnight,

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Speaker 1: the attorney for the victim released a statement, a pretty

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Speaker 1: detailed statement outlining a couple of pertinent details about what happened,

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Speaker 1: with no mention of Lashaw McCoy. But look, things do

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Speaker 1: not look good for McCoy. It's at the very least

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Speaker 1: a bad look for Lashawn McCoy. What it means for

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Speaker 1: his future with the Bills, what it means for his

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Speaker 1: future in the NFL. Who knows. It does not look good,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. It does not look good if he

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Speaker 1: is in fact involved in this situation. But we don't

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Speaker 1: know any fact yet, so we can talk about it,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but I don't know what to say. We

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Speaker 1: and we have, you know, kind of one sided. We

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Speaker 1: victim for a terrible crime. I mean, that's important to

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Speaker 1: know too. This is a terrible crime that's been perpetrated

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Speaker 1: that's where your first instinct is right to say, how

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Speaker 1: does that happen? Who does that? Secondly, you start to

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Speaker 1: or the representation of the victim going to do something?

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Speaker 1: Is Lashawan McCoy gonna do something, or the Bill's gonna

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Speaker 1: him back on many occasions. That's the bad look part again,

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Speaker 1: And that's and you know all and of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl again, even if he has a

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Speaker 1: more minor role than he has in the past, if

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Speaker 1: he's a rotational player on the inside. Now that they

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Speaker 1: have a couple three guys that can actually give him

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Speaker 1: some rest, guys that they trust on the front line

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Speaker 1: with Phillips and Lotulele, It'll be interesting to see, but

431
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,239
Speaker 1: a lot of guys will be if they do. If

432
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Speaker 1: the entire defense takes a big step forward in year

433
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Speaker 1: two of this system with some new faces on the

434
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Speaker 1: front in the front seven, a lot of guys are

435
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Speaker 1: gonna get noticed, and Hughes Wood could be one of them.

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Speaker 1: So give us a call, let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Eight oh three oh five fifty and toll free one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty voting on

439
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Speaker 1: our Twitter poll or way in you know on Twitter

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Speaker 1: which Bills defensive player or players will make the Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty eighteen. We'd love to hear what you

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Speaker 1: have to say about that. A couple of other things

443
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Speaker 1: going on today see even at one o'clock the NFL

444
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Speaker 1: Supplemental Draft, five players eligible. I'm not sure if the

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Speaker 1: Bills are going to be a factor in this. And

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Speaker 1: if they are, or if anybody is, I don't know

447
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Speaker 1: if we'll have even, you know, an announcement by three

448
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Speaker 1: o'clock today, the July eleventh Supplemental Draft. It's for players

449
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Speaker 1: who did not declare for the spring draft but are

450
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Speaker 1: eligible now to enter the NFL. Have to be three

451
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: years removed from high school, change in their college circumstances.

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Speaker 1: For the most notable one beal right, Sam Beale. Right.

453
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Speaker 1: It had to do with now being academically ineligible to

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Speaker 1: play this fall, so he has declared for the draft,

455
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Speaker 1: a weighted lottery based on the April draft order. UM

456
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: teams will get the Supplemental Draft order just before it begins.

457
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: UM starts at one pm today. I'm trying to think

458
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: what else you need to know? We got that's it, man,

459
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: we gotta. The Bills have been linked to Sam Beale

460
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Speaker 1: because they went to his Pro day and they will

461
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Speaker 1: lead up to this supplemental draft. The Browns have been

462
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Speaker 1: linked to Sam Beale being interested in him. Uh, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: and of course snooping around the Bill. It's hard to

464
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Speaker 1: and nobody's here, I mean, and the guys that are

465
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Speaker 1: here that can make these decisions, they may be here,

466
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Speaker 1: but you know, we're they're at the other end of

467
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Speaker 1: the building. And I didn't feel like walking out, No

468
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Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, we're not. We're not privy to what

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Speaker 1: they're thinking. We don't have conversations with Sean McDermott and

470
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Speaker 1: Brandon being on a daily basis, and quite frankly, they

471
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Speaker 1: don't want us talking about it. Probably they're not going

472
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Speaker 1: to the playing so we don't know what they're gonna do. So,

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Speaker 1: but but there isn't you know. Believe me, they're not

474
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Speaker 1: setting up a news the news room for a news

475
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Speaker 1: conference with Sam Beale. So and that's the only tip

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Speaker 1: off I would get. Yeah, it doesn't appear that there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be much. Well, we'll see. I don't want to

478
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Speaker 1: speak before the thing starts at one o'clock. But I'd

479
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Speaker 1: be surprised if the Bills were actors in the supplement

480
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get it crazy either. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who knows that. If I mean, I

482
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Speaker 1: would think that the Bills are probably going to put

483
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Speaker 1: an offer in on that guy, but one that they

484
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Speaker 1: can live with, like a fifth rounder. Now, he's supposed

485
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Speaker 1: to be a second round physical talent, good change direction.

486
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Speaker 1: You know that, you read the scouting reports. His feet

487
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Speaker 1: tell you that he's going to be able to cover,

488
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Speaker 1: he's got the size for it. He could you know,

489
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Speaker 1: he could stand to gain a little weight, but he's

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of things that they're looking for

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Speaker 1: physically in a corner. So the Bills would probably say listen, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they may like where their roster is right now,

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Speaker 1: and plus after the OTA's and Mini camp, they probably

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Speaker 1: say nine. I don't know. I like these guys too,

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Speaker 1: the guys they've already got signed, so he's just one

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Speaker 1: more body. I don't know that they'd be willing to

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Speaker 1: risk any kind of draft pick for a guy when

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Speaker 1: they liked their roster, because this is different than the

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Speaker 1: regular draft. Now they've got almost their entire roster in place,

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Speaker 1: and they've been able to coach him up, so they've

501
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Speaker 1: got a good feel for the guys they've got, and

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Speaker 1: if they don't think Sam Beale from a pro day

503
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Speaker 1: can overshadow the physical abilities the guys they've got on

504
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Speaker 1: the roster right now, they'll pass. Plus it cost you

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Speaker 1: if you use the third rounders today, you don't have

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Speaker 1: a third rounder next day. Yeah, and that's yeah, so's

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Speaker 1: it's hard for these supplement Now there's been it's been

508
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Speaker 1: times in the past where they've done it where supplemental

509
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Speaker 1: guys have come in and kind of splashed and made it.

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Speaker 1: Chris Carter, we mentioned yesterday back in the day he

511
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Speaker 1: played for thirteen years in the Hall of Fame, was

512
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Speaker 1: a supplemental draft guy. So you know, there's always that

513
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Speaker 1: roll of the dice. But it's a blind auction. You

514
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Speaker 1: just put your bid in. If somebody says, yeah, somebody

515
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Speaker 1: put a bit in and you didn't get it, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: somebody put in a higher draft pick than you did. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: So okay that you gotta be willing to live with it.

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Speaker 1: One of our guests yesterday, George Bazeka, talked to us

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Speaker 1: about the biennial Convention of the Pro Football Researchers coming

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo this weekend. Got a really nice note from

521
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Speaker 1: the president of the Pro Football Researchers Ken Crippen, who said,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having George John. I hope you for and

523
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Speaker 1: this is the part that intrigued me. See said, I

524
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Speaker 1: hope that if you are available for part of all

525
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Speaker 1: of the weekend, you would stop by. We'd love to

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Speaker 1: have you attend. I just might. I'm gonna go back

527
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: and you can find anyone can go. Um they invite

528
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Speaker 1: the public and you can go to their website Pro

529
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Speaker 1: Football Researchers Association dot org. There might be a a

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Speaker 1: lecture or presentation or two that I would like to hear.

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Speaker 1: Now the issue is going to be it's what's the

532
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Speaker 1: weather doing. They have my yard work done. But I

533
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Speaker 1: think that I love pro football history. I think that'd

534
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Speaker 1: be so if you don't have root canal, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be may go. I might check it out. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to spend the whole weekend there, but I thank

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Speaker 1: Ken Crippen for the invitation. I know it'll be a

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Speaker 1: room full of interesting pro football researchers and historians, many

539
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Speaker 1: of them local. And you just might find me there

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Not you. You're gonna imagine that, No, imagine Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I'm not a Yeah, I'm not a big history buff,

542
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Speaker 1: although you know my yeah, so I'm thinking, yeah, I'm

543
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: ill about you though. You think though there's some great

544
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Speaker 1: stories in that room. Yes, those guys do nothing but

545
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: go back and look through and I And it's not

546
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: just that's the thing. It's not just about the stats.

547
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Speaker 1: It's not like all the websites we've gotten now like

548
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus and all that, you know, stats grew

549
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Speaker 1: and Jesus and all the stuff that we use for

550
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: for our research. It's history. It's stories, it's teams, it's franchises,

551
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: it's big picture stuff as well as minutia that gets

552
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: lost in it. And you know, with one small detail

553
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: that has a ripple effect that affects somebody, you know,

554
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. They got books out about it.

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00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty interesting that way. And you think about

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Speaker 1: the multitude of stories because I know, I was just

557
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: I was on one two teams, but one team for

558
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Speaker 1: eleven and a half years, and there's a gazillion stories

559
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: coming out of that team. And I know every other

560
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: team has the same kind of thing. So it's it's

561
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: pretty fun to think about all the guys in there

562
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Speaker 1: that have access to that piece. Pro Sports starts Friday,

563
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: run through a Saturday. They have a tour here of

564
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: the stadium on Sunday. UM, and you don't have to

565
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: be a member. Great guest speakers Thurman, Thomas, Edward Kowski, Um,

566
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Speaker 1: Bob Schmidt who played with the Giants and the Bills

567
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: and the Patriots, Abe Ed dab Bramowski, Denny Lynch. Great speakers.

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Speaker 1: I might check it out. I'm happy they're coming in

569
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: and I hope, I know they're gonna have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. Yeah, I'd say it

571
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Speaker 1: really does. And it's happening here in Buffalo. Yeah, and

572
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: that's something that's it's a group that's been it was

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Speaker 1: formulated at the Pro Football Hall of Fame forty years ago. UM,

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Speaker 1: and it's the researchers of a Pro Football Researchers of

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Speaker 1: America Association and this weekend. Yeah, it's I don't know, though, Man,

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Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do sitting in a

577
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Speaker 1: conference room a nice week Maybe it were just how

578
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the weather and how much we

579
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. You can't appreciate it sitting in you can

580
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Speaker 1: talk about I mean, I would go say hi to

581
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Speaker 1: Abe aby Dude. I'd go, hey, say hi to Aby

582
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Speaker 1: Do there I'm miss Abydu. I see him every once

583
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Speaker 1: in a while in an event. But still I've heard

584
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I've heard all. I've heard all stories. So okay, all

585
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: right this weekend, that is all right? Which Bills defensive

586
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: player will make make the Pro Bowl in twenty eighteen.

587
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: That's the topic we start with today. Love to hear

588
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: your voice on the air. The phone line's open eighth

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Speaker 1: three five fifty or toll free one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty or on Twitter at one Bills.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the supplemental draft happens at one

592
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Speaker 1: o'clock today, which is, you know, half an hour away,

593
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Speaker 1: and Dylan tweets in, you know, he wants to know

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Speaker 1: what happens to the supplemental draft pick that you spend

595
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Speaker 1: on a supplemental pick? What happens to the draft selection

596
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: after that? Does it just disappear and the guys that

597
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: are in that draft just click up one notch behind you.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how it happens that pick. So you say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, if if you're for instance, I'll use the

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00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: first round this year is an exnappole. If the Bills

601
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Speaker 1: use their first round pick a year ago, that number

602
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: seven pick a year ago on a supplemental pick, that

603
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: pick just disappears and everybody then the team right behind Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: which ended up being what Miami or somebody Miami would

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Speaker 1: have picked seven. Yeah this year. So I think that's

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00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: what happens. That pick just goes away. It just disappears,

607
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: and you take it out of the order and everybody

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Speaker 1: moves up. One click. All right, a break, We're back

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Speaker 1: with more. One Bill's Live is just getting started. We're

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health. We're coming here from One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Or we're coming from One Bill's Drive. One Bill's Live

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Speaker 1: at the show as a dollar. No, I didn't say

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Speaker 1: the old spill name. This is Buffalo Bill's radio show.

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Speaker 1: It's called One Bills Live. It comes here from One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. We're right next door to New Era of

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Speaker 1: Field on a beautiful What's today Wednesday? See a program? Note,

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Speaker 1: we have no show coming up for you Friday. Friday's

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Speaker 1: a couple of Fridays off. What are you laughing about?

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Speaker 1: You can work if you want. All we do is

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Speaker 1: sometimes we the tweet sheet and we take a day off.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's so awesome this Friday off, next Friday off,

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Speaker 1: and then we are a lot of it. There's good

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Speaker 1: reasons for why we are off them because you know, really,

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Speaker 1: let's hear yeah, the instigators one extra this Friday, no show,

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Speaker 1: next Friday, no show. And then it's camp time, ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Thursday, August twenty six, which is two weeks

627
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Speaker 1: from tomorrow Bill's training camp. Last time we talked about

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Speaker 1: the Steve, you were not. I didn't detect a lot

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Speaker 1: of enthusiasm about reporting the camp. How are you doing

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Speaker 1: with that now? Two weeks ago? Whoa man? You come on, No,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be great, Steve. No, No, didn't you hear

632
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Speaker 1: the responses? Yeah, I get twitter poll? Yeah, you know what,

633
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Speaker 1: none of those people who respond on our Twitter poll

634
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Speaker 1: ever wore a helmet in the NFL training camp, so

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Speaker 1: they weren't out there. You know, so scar tissue left

636
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Speaker 1: over from you're playing emotional scar tis. Come on, look,

637
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: you drive, We don't even stay. And I had one

638
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: of the easiest training camp histories here in Buffalo all time.

639
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: All the golf too much, right exactly, And I still

640
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: I still yeah, you know what. Come on, man, look,

641
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: you hop in a car, you drive to Rochester, you

642
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: see what's going on. You get a show together. You

643
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: watch practice early in the morning that most of these

644
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: practice are gonna be at eight fifteen, eight right, eight

645
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: forty five am. Practice ends at eleven ten thirty eleven.

646
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Jump on the set, do a couple of interviews. The

647
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: sun is shining. There's people walking around in shorts all

648
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: over and you're gonna wear you ever where sunscreen is? Yeah?

649
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: I think I do. There probably don't, but I do.

650
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: It's great. The fans all over the place, people kind

651
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: of watching the show. Did you ever do the show

652
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: with us out of camp last year? No? No, I

653
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't go to I went to training camp like once

654
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: last year. You're gonna go more this year. But I

655
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: love it. I love getting out, I love meeting. Are

656
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: we gonna Are we gonna car pool? We're gonna drive

657
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: over together and do that? Will you do that? You

658
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: want people? Yeah? Come on? Why would we should? Why

659
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't we that way otherwise? Minutes from there? Otherwise you're

660
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: likely to come up with some excuse why you can't go.

661
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: I've got caught in traffic in Batavia or something. It's

662
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: gonna be gonna be late, Murph. I'm gonna got traffic

663
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: camp in Batavia. It starts the first training camp practice

664
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: starts two weeks from tomorrow, Thursday, August twenty six. That's

665
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: our first day there. That's a five thirty practice. You

666
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: do need a ticket for that. Go to our website

667
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills dot com if you want to see more

668
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: information about Bills Training Camp. The twenty eighteen Bills Training

669
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: Camp coming up, eighteenth year in a row at Saint

670
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: John Fisher College. Do I have that writers at nineteen

671
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: It might be nineteen. Anyway, we'll be there doing shows.

672
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: I think we got eight or ten shows coming up

673
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: in the months of July and August, getting you ready

674
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: for the season. Here's the thing, Steve, it'll get you

675
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't need this, but it gets me

676
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: into the total Bills frame of mind. Like by the

677
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: time training camp is about halfway complete. To be honest

678
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: with you, I'm like, don't talk to me about anything else.

679
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: There's nothing else. I lose track of the baseball. He's

680
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: an I lose track of everything except Bills football. One second, Bill,

681
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: you do, Burf, you do bills, Live one bills, live

682
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: year round. How do you mean take this is total immersion.

683
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: This is total immersion. So in the twenty eighteen bills

684
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: to the point where by the end of training camp

685
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: you wreck you don't even know names and numbers. You

686
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: recognize you know, the eighty seven guy in the roster.

687
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's so and so he's pretty good or a

688
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: good play in practice the other night. Now that's for me.

689
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: It's a way to like fill up your storehouse of

690
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: information to get ready to do these preseason games. You

691
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: could probably benefit, is what I'm trying to Oh, I'm

692
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: sure I'll get something out of it, if if nothing

693
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: but a sunburn, but if the thing about it is

694
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I get that what you're saying. That's one of the

695
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of immersed in your team when

696
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: you don't even you can't read the helmet or you

697
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: can't read the jersey or anything. You just see a

698
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: guy walking and think, oh, yeah, there's you know, yep,

699
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I remember you know guy. I can remember names of

700
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: guys back then, but yeah, you see guys saying, oh yeah,

701
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: there's there's Kyle Williams. You recognize everybody as easy as

702
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: you recognize Kyle Williams. You know, that's you can tell

703
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: you'll get there if you go, which I think you will,

704
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: You'll be able to tell who's who by the way

705
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: they run exactly, and by the way a receiver runs.

706
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 1: You don't need to see the name and number. Oh

707
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: that's so Joe, because I recognize the way he runs.

708
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what a what a what a boost?

709
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: That is? What an aid? That is? When you get

710
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: ready to broadcast a preseason game. Oh yeah, you know

711
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. I know the way that guy's running.

712
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: It's got to be him exactly. Usually is exactly. And

713
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: that's h and I get that. It's you know, if

714
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: and you and I, you know, we're neck deep in

715
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: this thing. So that's that's where you have to be. Yeah,

716
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: it's where you kind of have to you be, and

717
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: you go. And I used to go in and talk

718
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: to the training staff a lot during training camp about

719
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, and get their their take because I used

720
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: to while you were playing, well, no, while I was no.

721
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: When I'm since I've been a broadcast, okay, I go

722
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: talk to the training staff and get their take on guys,

723
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: not not like who's gonna make it, who's not gonna

724
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: make it? What just what kind of guy he is

725
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: because they you know, they see him in the locker room.

726
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: They're taping their ankles, they're hearing conversation, they're in conversations

727
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: with the players and the team at their position, and

728
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: they're hearing them interact with each other, and they get

729
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: a real good feel about, you know, how the kids doing,

730
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: how the guy's feeling, how he's playing, good days, bad days,

731
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: how he handles the bad days, how he handles the

732
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: good days. And it's really insightful because, uh, it's easiest.

733
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, these guys are hey, they're football player, but

734
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: these are just young guys trying to make their way

735
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: in a really, really difficult game. And it's a it's

736
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: a really pressure packed atmosphere for the players at training

737
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, that's why I carry so much,

738
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, to carry a grudge against training camps, because

739
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: it's it is your pressure packed. Yeah, I mean, your

740
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: your life is on the your livelihood is on the line,

741
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: your dreams are on the line, and every time you

742
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: take a rep you feel like it's either you know

743
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: Nirvana or you know, Hell on Earth, and it's it's

744
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's you ride, you ride the fence between

745
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: those two things constantly, and it's it's pretty rough. And

746
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: let me say I I acknowledge that and appreciate that.

747
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I welcome that, but I know that

748
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: it's pressure for those players, and I'm sure there's a

749
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: lot going out. I think that's part of the appeal

750
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: of training camp for fans and observers, knowing that what

751
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: they do out there matters to those guys and their futures.

752
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I believe it does anyway I do. And I you know,

753
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: we uh they live like it, they play like it,

754
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: they act like it, and they're living it and it's

755
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty sobering to think, um about how much

756
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: these guys have invested into their football career. They then

757
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: they're they're coming out. This is if you equate this

758
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: to another industry outside of sports. These guys are all

759
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: masters degree holders in football. Um they are, you know

760
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: in some of them, and the veterans are PhDs. I mean,

761
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: they've got it going on. They know the ins and

762
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 1: outs and how it's done. And they're coming out they're

763
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: like it's like coming out of Princeton. You come out

764
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: of Alabama after playing Division one football on scholarship for

765
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: four years or three years or whatever, and it's like

766
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: coming out of Princeton with a business degree. It really is.

767
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: You're there are people who want you to play for him,

768
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: and uh, there's pressure that goes along with it. I've

769
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: often wondered if other professions might benefit from a training

770
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: camp style setup where once a year you get away

771
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: with the candidates for jobs at you're at your organization

772
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: and people who currently work there, and you kind of rehash,

773
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: here's what we want to do this year, you know

774
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: what I mean? It might. I think people have retreats

775
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: or corporate retreats, but I mean as serious almost um,

776
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, reality show battle for your job and other

777
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: people trying to get your job. You know, I think

778
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: that corporations think about that. I don't know if they might.

779
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: The corporations might benefit, but you're talking about, you know,

780
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: wrecking people's careers because they got some guy who impresses

781
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: you over the two days of a weekend. But yeah,

782
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: maybe longer than But I mean CBS, when I when

783
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: for this season a couple of days off, I'm gonna

784
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: have to take later on in August our first, CBS

785
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: what Yeah, come on, because they have a semi they

786
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: call it seminar. We go to CB, we go into

787
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: New York, we go to the they have a big

788
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: theater in the Museum of Modern Art. We all and

789
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: all the everybody's there, from Jim Nance and Tony Romo

790
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: all the way down to schmucks like me are in

791
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: the room. Plus the ba's the AD, the broadcast assistance,

792
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: the assistant directors, the producers, the technical not technical directors,

793
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: but all the people that are on the crew that

794
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: you're going to be doing your games with are in

795
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: the room. And also the studio guys you know that

796
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: James Browns and Bill Cowers of the World and Boomera assizeins.

797
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: Those guys, they're they're in the room. Plus you know,

798
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: and then you get the executive branch of CBS with

799
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: Leslie Moonvess and somebody's stratospheric like him steps in and

800
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: says a few words as well. But they give us

801
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: the uh, the overview of what the broadcasts are going

802
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to look like at a network level, and what they're

803
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: what the foundation's going to look like. Plus you meet

804
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: all the new talent last year James Lofton was added

805
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: on to our our roster. So I got a chance

806
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: to see James again in the in the seminar, we'll

807
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: go in and do that same thing again. So you're right,

808
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean train there's different types and they look different.

809
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: But that would be a two day series of meetings

810
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: is what a training camp looks like in a different industry.

811
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: Nobody's job is on the line at that meeting. No, no, nobody,

812
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: you're there if you're at that meeting, that's correct. You

813
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: know Ron Wolfley local places with cardinal cardinals. Yeah, I

814
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: had great conversation with him once interview when he was

815
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: still playing. He was a special teamer. You're covering him,

816
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: well yeah, he I consider him a friend, so yeah,

817
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: he's a good man. He had a he got this.

818
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: He got me thinking about this, he said once. You know,

819
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: we talked about I think every person in American business

820
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: would benefit from covering kicks at one time or another.

821
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't care if they're dressed up in their suit

822
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 1: with a at the shake case in their hands, run

823
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: down in your suit in your eight hundred dollars loafers

824
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: and cover a kick. I'm telling you it would be

825
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: the best thing for American business. And he was dead serious. Listen,

826
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: I've said the same thing. I said, it's great therapy.

827
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: It's great therapy. And and wolf is the because he's

828
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: the he's the radio analyst for the radio broadcast. He's

829
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: a Mark Kelso of the Arizona Cardinals. And you want

830
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: to talk about the guy with the best all star

831
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: wrestling voice of all time, it is Ron Wolfley. He

832
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: is the he's great, and he's he's hilarious. But I've

833
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: said this, I said the same thing, and I've been

834
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: quoted in articles. I think a lot of people would

835
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: benefit from being able to cover a kick once a

836
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: week because you know, you can just cut it loose

837
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: and run as fast as you can't, hit as hard

838
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: as you can, dive in and just you know, because

839
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: you do have that feeling of invincibility kind of when

840
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: you do it, when you got the helmet pads on

841
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: and you're the one that's the aggressor. Um, there's a

842
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: lot to be said for that. Yeah, and I'm with Wolf.

843
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: I didn't I said you should suit him up. I

844
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: didn't say anything about going down your in your in

845
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: your amani suit. M. Yeah, it's it's I gotta be

846
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: honest with you. And I know, you know, in the

847
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: in the climate in which we live, it's frowned upon it.

848
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: They almost did away with him. It is a blast,

849
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: it is. It's the funnest thing a special teams player

850
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: gets to do is run down on a kickoff because

851
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: your team just scored or it's the opening kick of

852
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: the game and you're trotting down there. And you know

853
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: when when I was, when I was good for a minute,

854
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, having that on your shoulders, being able to

855
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: be the guy you say, I know, you know, you

856
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: just feel confident, I'm gonna be the guy when this

857
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: thing's over. I'm gonna be the guy tackling the ball.

858
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, yea. And it's and it's

859
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, the the you know, it's like all human

860
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: comportment is out the window. You know, you could be

861
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: just be you can just be some guy, you know,

862
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's awesome. Yeah, I know. That's why Wolf like,

863
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: he's got some of the great radio analogies of all

864
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and I can't even get into him now you can.

865
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: He's he actually said this on the on the radio

866
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: one and I don't know what it was all I

867
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: heard was the call. You can gouge your eyes out

868
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: and throw them away, because you'll never see it done

869
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: any better than that wolf. He's the best. He's Orchard

870
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: Park's own, and he hasn't he has never changed. He

871
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: is the same now as he always has. Man I

872
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: go on their show once a year. He's great. A breakcare.

873
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: We're back when we're gonna talk about which defensive players

874
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: would get in the Pro Bowl for the Bills this year.

875
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Give us a call. Eight oh three, five fifty and

876
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
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00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: fifty one Bills Live from One Bill's Drive. This is

878
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. We're here today and one Bill's Live

879
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: from One Bill Drive. Chat Murphy Steve Tasker here until

880
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: three o'clock today. We got good guests coming up. We're

881
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: gonna talk with Andrew brant Uh, the sports business expert.

882
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: We'll talk with him about McCoy's situation. Coming up at two,

883
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: we talk about play by play tandems in markets different

884
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: sports with David Halberstam coming up at one o'clock, and

885
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: the meantime we'll take your phone calls. Eight three fifty

886
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,560
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887
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: Terrence calling from Corfew, New York. Ahead, Terrence, you're on

888
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: the air, Hi, John, I just had a thought about

889
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: McCoy's situation, and to me, I mean, another scenario could

890
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: be if he's really trying to evict her from his

891
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: property there, that she's got to be mad. So, I mean,

892
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: she could have had another guy over people. Sure there

893
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: could be another guy that roughed her up, but if

894
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: she's so mad at him, Terence, are you Terrence? Are

895
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: you are you saying that she paid somebody to look

896
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: to rough her up? Is that what you're saying? No? No,

897
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying that it could have just been somebody that

898
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: she had over that happens to be that kind of guy. Oh,

899
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: I see, who knows, Terrence, I don't know. That's the thing.

900
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Who knows this is? It's I don't think that at

901
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: the girl's friends would have pointed the finger to automatically.

902
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, now they start, why would

903
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: they start accusing other people of doing what obviously happened

904
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: from somebody else. I mean that's uh, yeah, that you're right.

905
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's really no scenario where this turns

906
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: out really well. Um, so it's but I get it.

907
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're all Terrence at and that call.

908
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling Terrence. That lets you know how much

909
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: we don't know. Yeah, you can invent anything you want

910
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: to try and invent anything you want. And there's you know,

911
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: every you know, Bills fans are trying to invent some

912
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: scenario where he comes out of this and we don't

913
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: have to look at him with a suspicious eye anymore.

914
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: And it's uh, it's it's rough. It's rough. It's a

915
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: bad situation, and it's gonna we're gonna have to sit

916
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: patiently and frustratingly sit here and wait. And it's not

917
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: just us, by the way, I would say that, it's

918
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: the entire Bills organization. Not to mention Bills fans. We'll

919
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: get to that, and I'm but the entire org Look,

920
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: these folks who run this place, the football side, know

921
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: how critical Leshaun McCoy has been to the operation. So yeah,

922
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: they're paying attention to this and considering a bunch of stuff.

923
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: And you can bet too. I mean, he lives, he

924
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: lived here in Buffalo, He's been in Buffalo for a

925
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: couple of years. This is not the kind of Leshaun

926
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: McCoy than anybody in this building probably knows. I mean,

927
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: this is shocking to them like it is to anybody.

928
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: So you know, they got to get their mind around that.

929
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: And they're waiting on They're waiting for more information, There's

930
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: no question about it. And they're they're waiting more with

931
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: more on the line than any of us has built fans. Yeah,

932
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: they are very keenly interested in any information they can

933
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: get from sources that know, and we're not one of them.

934
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: I wish we knew more we did, and it's frustrating.

935
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: That's the frustrating. We're gonna be on for three hours,

936
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: and it's frustrating how much we don't know and how

937
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: much we can't say, and because everything we could say

938
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: or possibly say, it's just speculation and hearsaying guesswork. And

939
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of that, like I said at

940
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, with social media reaction rather

941
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: than facts and reason. So they call on this from

942
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: Jose and Buffalo go ahead, Jose, Hey, good morning, guys, afternoon.

943
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this whole situation is really messed up, you

944
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, on one hand, you

945
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: got hurt. You got people saying that, you know, he's

946
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: been trying to vict her for almost a year. You know,

947
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: there hasn't been no power on in the house. He's

948
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: actually tried to get her to move out. But then

949
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you got you know, this senseless

950
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, something that happened. We know something happened. You know.

951
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: My thing is this, even after the fact that if

952
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: let's say, let's say the shade he's found innocent, is

953
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: he's still gonna be uh, you know, suspended like Ezekiel Eliott,

954
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: like uh, what was the other one? Uh? That was

955
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: just it was just hearsay, you know. I mean, this

956
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: is this thing we got to think about, and or

957
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: like Ruben Foster, I mean, we got to think about,

958
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: you know what, what's the consequence for these people that

959
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: are that are making false accusations and these these NFL

960
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: players are still getting suspended, you know, from false accusations.

961
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to figure the man was in

962
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: Miami at the time of the attack. I don't under

963
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's just really bad. I mean,

964
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: it is really bad. Jose, You're right, You're right, there's

965
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, but is it a false accusation. I

966
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: think we're all waiting to see the validity or the

967
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: truth of the accident. And that's the film too, because

968
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: it has been an acrimonious relationship obviously. But the situation

969
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: is this, we've all seen somebody cry wolf once or

970
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: twice or whatever. Now it's like, well, now we've got

971
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: to wait until is this another one of those? Is

972
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: this something that isn't what it appears to be or

973
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: what they're trying to make it look like. So you're right, Jose,

974
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: it is. Um It gives everybody pause because we've seen

975
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: athletes be targets in past. It It was that way

976
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: in the mid eighties here in Buffalo, um so, and

977
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that way as long as uh as

978
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: people think they can be one of those who can

979
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: get money out of an athlete. But for the time being,

980
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: you can't. Her interests are real. Something happened, and you

981
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: feel for her. You don't want to see anybody go

982
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: through that, and you would like to see whoever it is,

983
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: be held accountable for those actions. So that's that's where

984
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: we're at. We're waiting to see and none nobody with

985
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: more interest than the Buffalo Bills organization and coaching staff

986
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: and players and the people who live and work with

987
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy, and I know fans are interested and concerned

988
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: as well, and you can't do anything about that. I

989
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: just repeating kind of what I said yesterday. You know,

990
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened here. You have to have

991
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 1: a certain measure of patients. You can speculate if you want.

992
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Steve and I believe me, we talk about it. We

993
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: talked about it all morning, pretty much, you and I

994
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: and at the end we decided we don't really know

995
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: enough about this to say this is what's going to

996
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: happen or this is what should happen. If you can

997
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: exercise that restraint, please try. I think, yeah, you just

998
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: got to wait a little bit. And that's in no

999
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: way to minimize how serious the situation it is. It's

1000
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: it's tremendously serious. It's a horrible crime committed. I'm that

1001
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: young woman. But we nobody really knows quite yet what happened,

1002
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: and so we all want to jump to conclusions and

1003
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: look at it. Well, who's next we'll play running back?

1004
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: Who should what's gonna happen to Shady? Will he be suspended. Uh,

1005
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: who knows, I don't know. Nobody knows yet. Yeah, and

1006
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: it's yeah, and that's the frustrating part about it for us.

1007
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: I mean, we're you know, we don't quite Frankly, Murph

1008
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: and I don't want to sit here for three hours

1009
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: and talk about what we don't know. And to be honest,

1010
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to people speculating. Yeah and yeah.

1011
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: And it's like I said too this we're Murph and

1012
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: I are are mainstream media. We're not social media, so

1013
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: we can't react and just fly off the handle anonymously. UM.

1014
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to go out on a limb in

1015
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: this case, and at all, I want to sit I

1016
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: want to be patient and find out what happened and um,

1017
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: and let the people who are informed and with the

1018
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: authority to do something about what happened do it and

1019
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: uh and take and then go from there. So it's

1020
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: it's frustrating for Murph and I very frustrating. Uh kind

1021
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: of ruined our day yesterday. I'll tell you that it's

1022
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: because I got this whole thing came down. And I'm

1023
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: not saying like we're the victims here, not at all.

1024
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: But no, man, Oh man, what a day to come

1025
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: to work and have this drop on your lap fifteen

1026
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: minutes before we literally fifteen minutes before we went on

1027
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: the air and find out after about three or four

1028
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: minutes that it was real and uh, and then try

1029
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: and regroup, just like Bills fans are trying to regroup today.

1030
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: So UM, we're gonna muddle through it. Hang in there,

1031
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: and if you want to call us, you can call us,

1032
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: tweet at us. Uh, we're talking about the Bills stuff.

1033
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: We've got Andrew Brant coming on which will get maybe

1034
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: shed some light and be some interesting stuff here at

1035
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: two o'clock about what the process is going to be

1036
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: through this entire scenario, both in the football end of

1037
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: it and in the law into it. And I think

1038
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: that's gonna be interesting coming up next. I think this

1039
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be interesting too, coming up after the top

1040
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: of the hour. We're gonna yes, we're gonna change So

1041
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: I're just gonna talk about play by play voices and

1042
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: two cherished voices one market. At the same time, there

1043
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: is an article written on Sports Broadcast Journal from former

1044
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: Miami Heat broadcaster David Halberstam, who says the Bills Buffalo

1045
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: head Van Miller Rick Jenner right at the same time

1046
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: for many years and one of the most cherished play

1047
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: by play combinations ever all time. We'll talk with David

1048
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Halberstam about that when we come back. It is One

1049
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive from One Bill's Live. From One Bill's Drive.

1050
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Hills Radio Network Sports Update

1051
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: Update from One Bill's Drive. As the LaShaun McCoy situation

1052
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: continues without much concrete news yet, the lawyer for the

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00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend of McCoy says the Bill's running back it's

1054
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: responsible for orchestrating an attack that left her bloody amid

1055
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: attempts to get her to leave his suburban Atlanta mansion.

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00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: There is no police report on the incident yet, and

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00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: no hospital report that we know of. The Bills maintained

1058
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: that they are monitoring the situation, and I've been in

1059
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: contact with Lashawn McCoy and that's about it. There's not

1060
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: much news on that today. The Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo's opponents,

1061
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: and the season opener, have already had their rookies report

1062
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: to training camp today in Owens Mills, Maryland. Veteran players

1063
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: report next week. Baltimore brought in rookies like tight end

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00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst, quarterback Lamar Jackson, offensive Taco Orlando Brown linebacker

1065
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Kenny Young. They're going early because the Ravens participated in

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00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Game, they are eligible to report

1067
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: to training camp earlier than the rest of the league.

1068
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: Ravens rookies reporting for duty today marks the beginning to

1069
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: the end of vacation time around the National Football League Sabers,

1070
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: and now today they've added Steve Smith to their coaching

1071
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: staff as an assistant coach. In nine year NHL coaching veteran,

1072
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: Smith joins the Sabers after spending the last four seasons

1073
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: as an assistant coach with the Carolina Hurricanes, where he

1074
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: was responsible for the team's defenseman and penalty killed tennis

1075
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: an upset at Wimbledon today, Roger Federer lost to Kevin

1076
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: Anderson in a four hour, five set epic. Today. Federer

1077
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: seemed to be heading for a routine victory with match

1078
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: point to complete a straight sets winning the third, but

1079
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Anderson held his nerve to level up, then produced a

1080
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: remarkable surge to take Federer deep into the fifth set.

1081
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: Roger Federer loses at Wimbledon today to Kevin Anderson and

1082
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Anderson Stunt's top seeded Roger Federer today. Earlier today, Novak

1083
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: Djokovic reached the Wimbledon semifinals with a win over Keya

1084
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: Nishia Kori and World Cup semifinals today at two o'clock

1085
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: England in Croatia in Moscow today, the winner moves on

1086
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: to play France in Moscow on Sunday. That's the update

1087
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy, Steve Tasker coming here

1088
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: from our one Buffalo studio. This came across our desk today.

1089
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: An extremely interesting note. Really an article posted on the

1090
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: website that deals with broadcasting. Really sports broadcasting, Sports Broadcast Journal.

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00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: The most chair wish all times, same market, play by

1092
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: play pairs two guys, same city, different sports, loved by

1093
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: the fans. Ranked by our next guest. He is a

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00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: former radio play by play voice of the Miami Heat,

1095
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: executive vice president general manager at Westwood One for a while,

1096
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: and the author of the book Sports on New York Radio,

1097
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,959
Speaker 1: a play by play history. Happy to have author David

1098
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: Halberstam on with us, David, John Murphy and Steve Tasker

1099
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us. Hey, Hi, guys,

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00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: how are you doing. We're doing great. Thank you. I

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00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: asked you this when we spoke on the phone earlier today.

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't just so there's no confusion. Can you tell

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00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: me you did mention to me that you are a

1104
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: distant relative of the great Pulitzer Prize winning journalist David

1105
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Halberstam Right, I sure am. He passed and seas Amazon

1106
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: Sinnamon a wonderful and versivil writer. David was He wrote

1107
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: about sports, and he wrote about politics, and he wrote

1108
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: about business, and he wrote about culture, and he was

1109
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: a big sportsman. Wrote books on the history of sports.

1110
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: He did a book on Michael Jordan. He did a

1111
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: book about the New England Patriots and Coach Belichick, and

1112
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: stories on the Yankees Cardinals of nineteen sixty four and

1113
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: the nineteen forty nine Red Sox. And all I am

1114
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: is a fellow trying to emulate him to a degree.

1115
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: I could use them on air sales management. Did write

1116
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: a book about sports broadcast history. Yeah. Well, it's a

1117
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: great name to live up to, that's for sure. David,

1118
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: tell me where does this idea come from? To look

1119
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: at different markets, different sports, different play by play guys

1120
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: and ranked them tell me about the inspiration for that. Well.

1121
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: I started a website back in January. It's now called

1122
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: Sports Broadcast Journal dot com. Sports Broadcast Journal dot com,

1123
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: and the idea was to profile various broadcasters. And I

1124
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: write about three times a week. Sometimes I'll have someone

1125
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: substitute to me. I've had guys like Kenne Levine, who's

1126
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: a screenwriter in Hollywood, to do a few articles for me,

1127
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: Tom Hofarth, Rudy Martsky and a whole bunch doing those

1128
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: for me. So the website is really growing, and I've

1129
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: had really lists, profiles, trans patterns and so on. And

1130
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of stories on the great Vin

1131
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: Scully and on Chick Kerne. And one day I was

1132
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: sitting around and thinking, and I said, it has any

1133
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: market ever in any way compared with two pairs or

1134
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: a pair of announcers in the same city like Chickherne,

1135
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: who did the Lakers for forty s oad years, and

1136
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: of course Vin Scully who did the Dodgers for sixty

1137
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: seven years, and overlap and dominate a marketplace the way

1138
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: Hearne and Scully did. I've done all sorts of lists

1139
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: on the site, and I'll be doing more as the

1140
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: summer goes on. But I started giving it some thought

1141
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: and asked myself, what are some of the two great

1142
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: announcers who have worked together at the same time. And

1143
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: I thought of Harry Callis in Philadelphia who did the

1144
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: Phillies for so many years, and the great Merrill Reeth

1145
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: who does the Eagles, and they overlap of thirty some

1146
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: odd years. And I went back to Marty Luckman and

1147
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: Mel Allen in New York and so on and so forth,

1148
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: and then I thought of Buffalo, and the first name

1149
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: that always comes to mind when I think of Buffalo

1150
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: sports announcers, believe it or not, is the name Bill Maser,

1151
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: who was an absolute legend in Buffalo until we left

1152
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: New York in nineteen sixty four. And in fact, it

1153
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: was Maser who told me that Miller is just a great,

1154
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: great broadcaster. And it was Bill who who really told

1155
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: me about him and started listening to him, and I

1156
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: thought a him, and of course Rick Jennerette and all

1157
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: the years that they've worked in the same market. There

1158
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: are no other pro teams. Yeah, there's a minor league

1159
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: baseball team, but no major league team, and at this

1160
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: point no NBA team, So guys like Miller and Jennarette

1161
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: all those years in the same market. When you think

1162
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: of play by play over the course of years, and

1163
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I know you do the bills now, but through all

1164
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: those years, you think of those two names, Miller and Jennerette.

1165
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: So they're on the list and they're up there. They're fourth,

1166
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: I think, right, that's right they are. You've got Scully

1167
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: and Hearne at one, and then Callis and Reese and two,

1168
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: Marty Glickman and mill Allen at three, and then you've

1169
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: got Jannerette and you've got Miller. Yeah, David talked to

1170
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: us a little bit about what you're chitteria for. Choosing

1171
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: these guys was like the combination they had to have

1172
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: in the same market at the same time. And also

1173
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: one of the things that in my experience here in

1174
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: Buffalo with Van Miller and Rick Gennerette is they are

1175
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: beloved by the fans who love those teams, and they're

1176
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: almost part of the team. So they kind of gained

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00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: this at least local notoriety that maybe somebody from Pittsburgh

1178
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know the play by play guys from Buffalo,

1179
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: but the fans couldn't live without them, and that was

1180
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: also one of your criteria. And also they were also

1181
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: exclusive to those teams, And so I'm surprised that you

1182
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: actually had so many groups of guys to even choose from.

1183
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: You would think, you know, with a particularly in the

1184
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: climate we live in now, the broadcast injuries, there's so

1185
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: much turnover that it's hard to find teams and cities

1186
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: that have had the luxury of having two guys they

1187
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: could depend on season after season. Well, that's just one

1188
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: thing that I'll make a point of it. And I

1189
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: said that I loved, loved, loved Marv Albert doing Knicks

1190
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: and Rangers, but at one point it became a joke

1191
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: because Marv doing the Rangers missed more games than he did.

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01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: So what I meant there was you must be committed

1193
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: to the team. Hearned at three thousand and three hundred

1194
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: straight games through bad illness and weather delays and whatever,

1195
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: but he'd be at that broadcast table come hell or

1196
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: high water and Scully. Yeah, he did miss some games

1197
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: through his years as a great baseball announcer, but sixty

1198
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: seven years, his body of work tells the story. So

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: that's what I mean by commitments, And in fact, I

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: got some complaints. I had thirteen, a Baker's dozen, that

1201
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: was my list, but somebody said that I omitted in

1202
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta Skip Carrie, who did the Atlanta Braves, and Larry Munson,

1203
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: who's a legend, and George Asked, the late voice of

1204
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: the Georgia Bulldogs. So there are a punch, believe me.

1205
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: And there are people who felt that I might have

1206
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: omitted them, and perhaps and other markets. So there are others.

1207
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily the best announcer. It's the two

1208
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: at the same time. Where if you woke someone up

1209
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: out of a deep sleep at three in the morning

1210
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: and ask them back ten fifteen years ago, who are

1211
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: the announcers for these two teams? They would tell you immediately.

1212
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: We're with our guest. David Halberstam was written a post

1213
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: for Sports Broadcast Journal the most cherished all time play

1214
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: same market play by play pairs. He's got Van Miller

1215
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: of the Bills and Rick Jenneret of the Sabers as

1216
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: same time play back play announcers. I want to let

1217
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: some of our listeners hear a little bit about from

1218
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: these two. I know they're familiar voices, clearly, but let's

1219
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: just listen to a call from Van Miller. This is

1220
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: a famous Bills game season open in nineteen eighty nine

1221
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: in Miami, and Jim Kelly takes matters into his own hand.

1222
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: I was there in the booth with Van when this

1223
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: is what it sounded like, Kelly, last play of the

1224
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: game down, David. There's you know, it's just a great

1225
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: simple call, right. There's no poetry really involved there, but

1226
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: a great simple painting of the word picture by the

1227
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: great Van Miller. There, yes, absolutely, and today doing a

1228
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: game on radio and painting the picture. Being a wordsmith,

1229
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: it's an art that that I'm afraid is being lost.

1230
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: Miller had it without a doubt. I had a great

1231
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: command of the language. Um, he paused properly. He built

1232
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: the drama and you can just hear it from the

1233
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: inflection in his voice. Um. What I have. One thing

1234
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: that I've always thought of when I think of Van

1235
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: Miller is there are broadcasts that you look back at,

1236
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've heard Sandy Colfax's Perfect Game done

1237
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: by Vince Scully. Then I would tell any budding announcer

1238
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: to memorize it was that good. I poked the unfortunate

1239
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: Scott nor Would miss in that category. I've heard the

1240
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: complete call that was done by Miller, and the way

1241
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: he describes and paints the picture of nor Would getting

1242
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: ready and setting and pantomiming that chick. It was just beautiful.

1243
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm afraid you know, it didn't work out

1244
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: for the Bills that day, but his call of it

1245
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: was magnificent and I would tell anybudding broadcaster to listen

1246
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: to it. Miller was an standing announcer. Yeah, I appreciate that.

1247
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting too because the games were talking about with

1248
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: Van Miller and I was actually on the field for

1249
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: a couple of them, or most of them, and it

1250
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: was And You're right, not all of them are great,

1251
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: but the calls can be great and have to be great,

1252
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: even if if the announcers disappointed. Most of the calls

1253
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: that people remember have to do with great moments for

1254
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: their team, not not Super Bowl missus or or like that.

1255
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: And me as a Buffalo guy, now, the things I'm

1256
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: a fan of now are the Sabers and Rick Jinnerette

1257
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: being one of the all time great hockey announcers. I remember,

1258
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: and this is a great moment that I've heard over

1259
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: and over again I do not remember the game. I

1260
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: was not listening to alive. I only even heard the

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: highlight of it. And and for people in Buffalo, a

1262
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: guy who's actually still calling the game now and again,

1263
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: Rick Jinnerette um calling a goal on the may Day goal.

1264
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: As let's listen to that right now. If we bring

1265
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: up the Rick Jinnarette's call of the Brad may goal,

1266
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: hopping it up to laugh on Kay and he gets

1267
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: tripped up, gets it to me and over the line

1268
01:04:44,520 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: past me, calling goal. Yeah, that was That was one

1269
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: of the all time great calls off the spur of

1270
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: the moment he and I think you appreciate it. The

1271
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: crescendo in his voice has always been his signature when

1272
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: he rises up for the goal call, and how it

1273
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: started out so low, just at the blue line, and

1274
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: by the time a second and a half later he's

1275
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: at the top of his lungs calling, you know, one

1276
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: of the iconic calls in Buffalo history. Oh that a doubt.

1277
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: And I'm afraid with hockey because unfortunately on radio, the

1278
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: business model today makes it very difficult for radio hockey

1279
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: to be profitable. And we're seeing a situation in Charlotte

1280
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: where they're going to begin to simulcast the games and

1281
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: get rid of a real hockey legend, Chuck Cayton. But

1282
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: Jennarette is magnificent, and I think that Cole tells it all,

1283
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, Steve, because he used his voice

1284
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: inflections perfectly to build a drama and really put his signature,

1285
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: his stamp on what that goal in With David Halberstam,

1286
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: He's written a post for Sports Business Journal, the most

1287
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: cherished all time same market play by pay pairs in

1288
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: a in a particular market. You know, Steve is right.

1289
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: I believe David that it has something to do with

1290
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: the call, you know, the play that takes place, the

1291
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: caller is remembered, I think, and I'm curious what you

1292
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: think about this. I think it may have also something

1293
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: to do with the market itself. I think some markets,

1294
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: the play by play announcers are valued more, are considered, uh,

1295
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, higher than in other markets. You know, and

1296
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: you have the experience here in Buffalo. I think it's important.

1297
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: I've noticed it's important to Buffalo Bills fans who's calling

1298
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: the game on the radio. I don't know if that's

1299
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: the case in many NFL markets. What do you think.

1300
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: I agree. It's become a very commoditized industry, announcing, play

1301
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: by play, announcing. There are so many announcers today. I

1302
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: put games on and I'm in the business. Whether it's

1303
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 1: a college basketball game or a hockey game, or even

1304
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: a baseball game, I don't even know who in the

1305
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: world is announcing, and sometimes I don't really care. You're

1306
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: watching the game. And it's become commoditized because they teach

1307
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: it in a way where you follow a certain script,

1308
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of good announcers, but distinguishing

1309
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: one from the other becomes very difficult. So over a

1310
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: course of time, where you had Miller and you had

1311
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: Rick doing the games, people knew exactly who they are,

1312
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: who they were, and what they sound like. And by

1313
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: now you've done the games, Murph for a very long time,

1314
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: and they're becoming very comfortable with you. You stay anywhere

1315
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: long enough, if you're the best or the worst, it

1316
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. They love you. And it's just the

1317
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: way it is. It's like putting It's like putting on

1318
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: a comfortable pair of shoes. And you, I've listened to you, Murph.

1319
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: I listened to all the guys and you do a

1320
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: great job. Thanks. I'm sure it was tough for you

1321
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: following a legend like Miller doing the games. But you

1322
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: see what happens over a course of time. Slowly they

1323
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: forget about Miller and they remember Murphy, and that's just

1324
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: the way of the world. And they forgot about mel Allen.

1325
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: And now you know, they've got other guys. They had

1326
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: Rasuto and now they have John Stirling, and they all

1327
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: sort of become very popular during the course of time

1328
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: that they do it. But that course at time, the

1329
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: time and grade, as they call it, the military has

1330
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: got to be there. So if you do it long enough,

1331
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: you'll be loved equally as your predecessor. That's just the

1332
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: way of the world. Yeah, and I have to say,

1333
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: people get used to you, David. I've benefited enormously from

1334
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: working with them for sixteen seventeen years, so that worked

1335
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: in my I I want to ask you about a

1336
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: couple of others that at number eight on your list

1337
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: of all times same market played by play pairs. You've

1338
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: got Detroit Ernie Harwell, a voice of the Tigers for decades,

1339
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: and I confess I've never heard of this name. Bob

1340
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: Euffer does who did Michigan football back then. Tell us

1341
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: about those two in particular. I love Ernie Harwell. I

1342
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: loved him so much as a broadcaster. Tell me where

1343
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: you rank him and how you consider him well. I

1344
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: probably agree with Kurt Smith, who wrote the book Voices

1345
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: the Game, ranking these announcers, and he put Harwell as

1346
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: three behind Scully in mel Allen. Harwell was that good.

1347
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: He can really paint the picture, He can turn a word.

1348
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: He put the listener right behind home play. He was

1349
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 1: as good as they come, and he had a soft

1350
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 1: way of speaking that people related to him. He was

1351
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: sort of your friend at the game. And he did

1352
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: it for so long, and he was so committed to it.

1353
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: He wrote so many books. He was almost interchangeable with

1354
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: the name Tigers after all those years. So he was loved.

1355
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: And it didn't matter if it was bad times a

1356
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: good times, or there were riots in the city of

1357
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: Detroit or a bad economy. Baseball season rolled around and

1358
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,480
Speaker 1: they heard him for the first time in March, broadcasting

1359
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: from Florida, and they began to believe that that fall

1360
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: will now roll in, and the winter will come to

1361
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: an end, and we'll hear Earlie and the Tigers will

1362
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: be playing and we'll be away from our problems. So

1363
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: that's what made Earnie Now Bob Euffer, You've got to

1364
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: go back to that period of time in the seventies

1365
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: in the sixties when Michigan was so dominant. The Lions

1366
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: were awful, been you know, for years, and you had

1367
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: the Pistons at the time, they were not very good. Yes,

1368
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: he had the Red Wings. But Euffer was not a

1369
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: trained broadcaster. He didn't go to school like or At.

1370
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: He was a fan. He ran track at Michigan, sold

1371
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: insurance to put the meals on his table. But what

1372
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: he really did and loved was doing those Michigan football

1373
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: games and his screen again Michigan, and he was so

1374
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: synonymous with the Wolverines program that in those years it

1375
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: was twenty Simon years at Harwell and Ufur worked at

1376
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: the same time. Those were probably the two best play

1377
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: by play guys then, and that's the way I ranked them.

1378
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: I've never where Michigan come from, Bob Eufur. I never

1379
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: knew that. Yeah, I know, Bob, yeah, yeah, yeah, he

1380
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: did it, you know, all those years that they were

1381
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 1: playing and they were so good. That's good. One of

1382
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: the now now I don't want to jump in, but

1383
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: I do want to tell you and I when we

1384
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: spoke earlier, UM a great story about Van Miller. If

1385
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: you go ahead, love to hear this. Okay, Well, I

1386
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: did the Heat Games on radio for six years, and

1387
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: the color Man on TV I worked alone on radio.

1388
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: But the color man on TV is a name certainly

1389
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: not strange to those in Buffalo, those of age. Jack

1390
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: Ramsey Jack Cut coached the old Buffalo Braves, and he

1391
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: traveled with Van Miller and he back then they didn't

1392
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: travel on charters, so they would travel commercially. And he

1393
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: said that Miller was a prankster. And I didn't know that.

1394
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: I never really I met Dan maybe once, and he said,

1395
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: one day they're on a commercial flight. Plane lands and

1396
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: now they're taxiing. They arrived at the gate and now

1397
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: they go to the ben pull whatever overhead luggage they

1398
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: may have had, and they're standing waiting for the door

1399
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: to open up, and Miller's they're right in front of

1400
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: Ramsey in the aisle and Miller there's he's got a

1401
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: good looking woman right in front of him. And Van

1402
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: says to this perfectly strange woman to him or a

1403
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: stranger to him. He says to her, man, do you

1404
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: know that you're wearing a pair of shoes that don't match?

1405
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: And the woman just totally, you know, is flushed with

1406
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: with um, being so embarrassed. But what he just said,

1407
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: and she looks down, she's like frightened, and then he

1408
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: sees she sees that he pulled on her, and they

1409
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: all started laughing, and the whole plate started laughing. But

1410
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know Miller that way, but Murphy probably did. Yeah,

1411
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: he had the famous trick, you know, hey, why are

1412
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: you only wearing one earring? And then you'd reach her,

1413
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, the one thing. Then did very funny, a

1414
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of pranks, but he did him over and over

1415
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: and over. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If you if you've

1416
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: heard one, you've heard a million of him. And it

1417
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: was one of the things that he did so well.

1418
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: Was called great great games, and you're right. It was

1419
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: historic game here in Buffalo, the greatest comeback of all time.

1420
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, the Buffalo Bills had

1421
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: come back from thirty five to three down. Steve Christie

1422
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: lined up to kick the game winning field goal, and

1423
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: this is what it sounded like when legendary broadcaster, and

1424
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: Van Miller called it bis can win it. Here White

1425
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 1: puts it down, the kick is on the way, great

1426
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: finish for that game, that overtime victory, and David part

1427
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: of it too. And not to minimize any of the

1428
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: work done by any of the people on your list,

1429
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: the great cherished all time, same market played by play pairs.

1430
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: But you need good games, you need drama in order

1431
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: to have memorable good broadcasts, don't you. I think so

1432
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: with maybe one exception and baseball, because there are guys

1433
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: in LA who route when Scully was doing the games

1434
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,520
Speaker 1: for a blowout because they knew that then would regale

1435
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: his audience stories. Now football, you know, when they were

1436
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 1: down by all those points and they made their comeback

1437
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of it, people were I'm sure

1438
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: tuning out or their minds would begin wandering. But today,

1439
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: you know, radio becomes very, very difficult because if you're

1440
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: driving in your car, your mind is wandering or you've

1441
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: got some of your mind on the road and the

1442
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: most important thing to do all the time. And I've

1443
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: learned this the hard way, and I've talked to many broadcasters.

1444
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: Marty Glickman told me this when he did the giants

1445
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: and chats all the years. Always gave the time remaining,

1446
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: the score and who has the ball. If you do

1447
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: that and you do it often enough, no one will complain.

1448
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: He told me that that's great. Hey, David, this is

1449
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: great work. We thank you very much spending a few

1450
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: minutes with us this summer afternoon to talk about it. Hey,

1451
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: good luck to both of you. Enjoy the football season.

1452
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: It's swatting less than a month off. It's coming up.

1453
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: Thanks David. David Halberstan, former radio play by play voice

1454
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: of the NBA Miami Heat, a radio executive at Westwood One,

1455
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: author of the book Sports on New York Radio, a

1456
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: play by play History, and has written this post for

1457
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: Sports Broadcast Journal, the most cherished all times same market

1458
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: play by play pairs and Buffalo's Van Miller and Rick

1459
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: Jennerette ranking fourth. It's great, it's it's a you gotta

1460
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: read this if you get a chance. The one thing

1461
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: I would say, and this is me being an old

1462
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: guy here Steve, ted Darling and Jenner, it would tell

1463
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: you this too. Ted Darling was an outstanding Sabers player

1464
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 1: and one of the best hockey play by play men around,

1465
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 1: and he coincided with Van two. So although Rick has

1466
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, Ted had fifteen, I want to say, almost

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Speaker 1: twenty years of Sabers play by play and Rick has

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: covered since then. But I hate, I don't like to

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01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: see Ted Darling kind of you know, go by the

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Speaker 1: boards there. He was part of that, coinciding with with

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Speaker 1: ten on Sabers Hockey and Van on the Bills Radio

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01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: those that was an outstanding group. And I'll tell you

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01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,799
Speaker 1: what it's it's telling as well, and I think smartly

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: most of these franchise, and I hope the Bills and

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 1: certainly hope what they do with you, and they the

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01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: Sabers as well. When you get a guy you I love,

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: they stick with them because you've got a whole generation

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: of people who you need to grow up and get

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: to know them. And it makes you fond more fond

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: of the franchise when you've got a voice you trust

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01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: and love giving you the games. It's just I think

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: it's a great broadcast, um great broadcast rule that I

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of clubs adhere to. When you get

1484
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: your guy, keep him. And I think you know you

1485
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: going into what your fifteenth, fifteenth year doing it? You know,

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: I hope you get another thirty, um, because that's you know,

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01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: you now think about it, because all the kids that

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01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: are twenty years old, now you're the only voice they know.

1489
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: And that's the way it should be, and and I

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01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: hope it stays that way. And all these markets, you've

1491
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: got these guys that kind of get these things because

1492
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: they're they're coveted jobs, and uh and they should be

1493
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: because they're they're worth doing, they're important to the fan base.

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: And um, it's a lot of fun. I mean, god,

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: so much, so much fun. Can't even tell you how

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: much what it is. Can't wait August ninth, we got

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01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: a preseason game. You're are you working that game? Yea, yah,

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01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing the TV game and ninth preseason. I think

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01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Andrew Catalan, who's gonna be doing it

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01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: with me, the guy who didn't who's been doing it.

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01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: Mike partnered with CBS for a couple of years, um,

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01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: because he couldn't ever do the first preseason game because

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: the PGA was on and he was doing some internet

1504
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: work for CBS doing that, you know, all the ancilliary

1505
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: platforms they have, he did some of that. But now

1506
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: that's been moved, and they revamped the PGA schedule so

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01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: that the major's fall once a month throughout the summer.

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01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna be with us, excellent, so it'll be done.

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01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: It'll be good, all right. We think our guests David Halberstam,

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01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: who wrote that piece and spent a lot of time

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01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,839
Speaker 1: with us here today he joined us on the subway

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01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: Fresh Stank, Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh, back up more in

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: a moment, One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive and

1514
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's

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01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: Live here until three o'clock today. Coming up right around

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01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: two o'clock, we're gonna be live with Andrew Brandt, who

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: covers the business of the NFL for a variety of

1518
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,799
Speaker 1: different platforms. He'll have thoughts on, well, Sehwan McCoy's status,

1519
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: what the Bills do from here, what the NFL does

1520
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 1: from here. I don't think he has any particular insight

1521
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: into the particulars of the deal of what went on

1522
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: down there in the outside Atlanta, but at least i'll

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: give us an idea of you know, what the landscape

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01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: looks like. That's coming up at two o'clock Andrew Brandt

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: NFL News today. Yes, there was the there is. We

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01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: assume it's still going on, right the I want to

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01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: say expansion draft at a SUN experience, the supplemental DRAF

1528
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,440
Speaker 1: supplemental Draft, thank you and the NFL reports said cornerback

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01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: Sam Beale of Western Michigan. Regard it as the top

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: available player the five available today has been selected in

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01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: the third round by the New York Giants. Sam Bill

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01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: goes to the New York Giants react, Steve, No, you

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01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: have no reaction. He sounds sounds like the best player available, right, Yeah,

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01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't third round of the Giants. Is that means

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01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: he was the second player of the third round because

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01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: the Giants were number two in this last year's draft,

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: that's the order that they use in The Giants were

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01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: the highest grow Adam Schefter says Giants had the third

1539
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: pick in the third round because round it's waited and

1540
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: they used it on Sam Bill. There you have it, Okay,

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01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. But you know, the Giants are starting

1542
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: to put together a roster. We'll see if it if

1543
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: it takes place, but you know, obviously a third nobody

1544
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: thought other than the Giants that he was worth a

1545
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: third rounder, or if they did, they were in the

1546
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, higher than the third pick of the third round.

1547
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: So um. Our Twitter poll today deals with the Bills

1548
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: on defense. We want to talk to you about that.

1549
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: Phone lines open eight oh three h five toll free

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: one eight eight eight by fifty two five fifty, or

1551
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: you can do it on twitter. Our Twitter poll which

1552
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: Bill's defensive player will make the Pro Bowl in two

1553
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: eighteen this upcoming season. We've we put a few suggestions

1554
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: out there. You don't have to stick with them. Overwhelmingly,

1555
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: seventy two percent of you think that it will be

1556
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: Tradevious White in the Pro Bowl this year. Seventeen percent

1557
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: say Micah Hyde, eight percent say Jordan Poyer, three percent

1558
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: have somebody else a minor? You have some comments from

1559
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: Twitter set, Yeah. Postman Pilot says he likes to dig deep.

1560
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: Edmonds is an easy answer as well as those three guys.

1561
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: But first comes to my mind that he'd love to

1562
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: see take a big step would be Matt Milano with

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01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: a new front seven. He can see a guy like

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01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: him taking full advantage. I like a lot of what

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01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: we've seen from him. And when you're going that deep,

1566
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: you're hoping a lot of guys play well if Matt

1567
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: Melana's going to the Pro Bowl. Also from Alec Demski, Hey, guys,

1568
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: what do you think of Star Lotulele? Former player under McDermott.

1569
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: You could see he could have a solid impact on

1570
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: the D line and as a and the D line

1571
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: has a lot of potential this year. So a couple

1572
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: of people going off the board with Matt Milano and

1573
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: Star Lotulele and loto Lelee, you can see he's a

1574
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: He's a big, strong, dominant defensive lineman. He's gonna be

1575
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: playing with a deep group up there are a deeper

1576
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 1: group than they the Bills have seen in recent years,

1577
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: and he's had some experience in this defense, so you

1578
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: should you would think he could plug right in, know

1579
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: what's going on, and have a pretty good season. On

1580
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet from Aaron Yance, he says, I'm going

1581
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: with Micah Hyde as a defensive player making the Pro Bowl. Why,

1582
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: he says, simply because he has He is the highest

1583
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: rated Bill on Madden nineteen. That's one way to look

1584
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: at it. I guess they do their homework at Madden. Yeah, yeah,

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01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: they do their homework. I don't know if I would

1586
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: go with that. Let's take a few phone calls here,

1587
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: Noel from Phoenix. No, I'll go ahead, and you're on

1588
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: the air with us. Yes, I just want to say

1589
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: it could be one of those years like nineteen ninety

1590
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: eight where AJ mccaron starts and Josh Allen takes over.

1591
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: It takes the bill to the Promised Land. What do

1592
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: you think of that one right in mind? Yeah, I

1593
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: mean think about that. That was the year. Ninety eight

1594
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: was the year of fluty flute job Rob Johnson, and

1595
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: and I said this, you think back, and it's funny

1596
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: where you remember about those things. And no, that's a

1597
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: good call. You're funny where you remember. I remember being

1598
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: in the booth at a different game and they showed

1599
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: the playoff brackets come out, and this when Wade Phillips

1600
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: was coaching the Buffalo Bills and they were headed the

1601
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: playoffs and they were gonna play the Tennessee Titans in

1602
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: the wild card round. And I on the air of

1603
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: a different game. I circled the Buffalo Tennessee game and

1604
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: the wild card with all those teams, you know, the

1605
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: New Englands and the Pittsburgh and all that, we're up

1606
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: above them. And I said, the winner of that game

1607
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 1: is going to the Super Bowl in the AF and

1608
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: I was. I was dead on and if and if

1609
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't for home Run Throwback, that would have been

1610
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: the Bills in that Super Bowl. Bills were going great

1611
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: on defense, they were crushing it and they were really

1612
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: playing well on both sides of the ball. Really saw

1613
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: it had a lot of really good they had great

1614
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: team speed that had had everything. You know, Eric Moles

1615
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: was in his prime. You had some guys and you know,

1616
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: then the home run Throwback comes back and it was

1617
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans that went to twenty Super Bowl against

1618
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Ramshap How do you think we should

1619
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: commemorate the anniversary of home Run Throwback this year? No,

1620
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: we should do. Let's get to Phil Luckett on the show, right, Phil,

1621
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: twenty years later, can you explain what you saw, what

1622
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 1: you thought you saw, what you saw on the replay?

1623
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: What are you explaining that for us? I'll tell you

1624
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 1: this is and I've said this a couple of times privately.

1625
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: That was the first year I was retired. And when

1626
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: I retired, Maritoy, I was done, right, Yeah, I was.

1627
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: I was ready to be done. And I went through

1628
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: a whole season in the broadcast booth for CBS, and

1629
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: I was watching at home with the family when the

1630
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: home run throwback occurred. And that is the only time

1631
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: in my entire life after I retired or that I thought, wow,

1632
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I might have made a difference. Really, yeah,

1633
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: I guess so, okay covered because in my mind I

1634
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: was ahead of that play. I thought, don't don't chase

1635
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: the fat guy with the ball. He's gonna throw it

1636
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: to somebody who's fast. You know. I was kind of

1637
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: thinking out ahead of it because that's you know, And

1638
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: that's the only time I thought I wish I would

1639
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: have been there, you know you and I wish I

1640
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: would have been there. But that's the only time. It

1641
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 1: was others and the same thing that but yeah, that

1642
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: I was just like every other every other fan. Then

1643
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: I was like, seriously, uh, twenty years, let's go to

1644
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: Curtis and Niagara falls on the line with us. Hello, Curtis,

1645
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, what's come on, guys? How you doing today? Okay? Good?

1646
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: I love you guys. So I just want you guys

1647
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: know that you too, thinking I just some timing on

1648
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: the on the Lesha McCoy thing, which is unfortunate. But

1649
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: like I was telling the producer, the guy who answer phone,

1650
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: I said, the only thing that makes me go about

1651
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: this whole thing is the pile on effect from the girl.

1652
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: You know, it was the before and after pictures, then

1653
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: it was the course of the assault itself. Then oh

1654
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: he's been doing steroids this, he beat his child, he

1655
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: beat the dog. It's like she's snatching headlines from previous

1656
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: uh NFL incidents to pile on. And that just I mean,

1657
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: if you feel that you were wrong, you don't need

1658
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: to do the piling on. That's that that comes up

1659
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: with me about this. Yeah, and I and I get it. Curse.

1660
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: It's an interesting take because you're right. But um, you

1661
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: got to go no too that when you when you

1662
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: saw that post that came out that really what what

1663
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: landed this thing in the headlines? Um, there was a

1664
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: lot of anger there. So there's a lot of frustration

1665
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: over somebody whose friend had just had been the victim

1666
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: of a heinous crime. Um, and she was lashing out

1667
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: at everybody. Now she probably feels justified in her in

1668
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: her accusations and her and her allegations. Um, no question

1669
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: where you know everybody does in that momentum. And uh,

1670
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: but she has taken that she took that Instagram post down,

1671
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: but has stood by it privately, So she's I don't know,

1672
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of emotion. Yeah, there's a lot

1673
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: of emotion there. And you're right. I mean there's a

1674
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: lot of people are analyzing this from their own point

1675
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: of view. And Curtis, you did the same thing, just

1676
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: like all of us did. The problem is, you know,

1677
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: there are always questions because we just don't know the

1678
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: the authorities don't know. There's been no arrest, there's been

1679
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,839
Speaker 1: no charges filed. We don't even know what the police

1680
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 1: report of the hospital report says at this point. We

1681
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: do have the police being summoned there at three twenty

1682
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: three am yesterday morning, and that for a home invasion,

1683
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: and that is where we stand. And all the stuff

1684
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,879
Speaker 1: that came out after it, it was packed with emotion

1685
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: as you would you would expect for a crime that

1686
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: with the horrific result that this one had, and all

1687
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: the things that have happened previous to the crime in

1688
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: the relationship that have come out. Lots of stuff flying around,

1689
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: and he's you're right, we all question everything these days

1690
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: because we've seen so much and heard so much, so

1691
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: until we have answered, I'm just holding my questions inside

1692
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: until I have more information so that answers the questions

1693
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: before I ask them. I mean, that's that's kind of

1694
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: where I sit right now. I'm just there's all kinds

1695
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: of speculation flying around. We've even had a couple of

1696
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: callers on the show with wild speculation, and there are

1697
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: questions that need to be answered. Curtis, you just brought

1698
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: a couple of them up too. But the simple fact

1699
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: of the matter is, and the sad part of it,

1700
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: we may never know now. I mean, who knows. There's

1701
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: a call from Gary in Lancaster. Hello, Gary, go ahead, good,

1702
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm sure you remember this name when

1703
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: I bring it up. One of the best announcers I

1704
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: even listened to and when I was growing up was

1705
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: man named stand Baron. Oh Yeah, I worked with Stan.

1706
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I know Stan. He was a friend. Took over for

1707
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: Stan right up, I did, and I worked with him.

1708
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: I'd do news on his uh free form sports show

1709
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: on weeknights at w b N Radio. Yeah play, you know.

1710
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: I used to listen to him back when the Old

1711
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Bisons had played in the Hockey League, and remember listening

1712
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: to an overtime game where the game got tied up

1713
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: in the last seconds of the game and one the

1714
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 1: Bison's won and overtime, and it was really interesting. I

1715
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: thought you were going to a story which I know,

1716
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: and we talked about a lot. Thanks for you called Gary.

1717
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,679
Speaker 1: Stan Barron did Bison's hockey, HL hockey, did Bison baseball,

1718
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 1: and did Bills football for a long time. Doing a

1719
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 1: hockey game once and I'm I'm I'm certain this is true.

1720
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: And it got going back and forth at the old Auditorium,

1721
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: Oral Auditorium, back and forth, and I thought Gary was

1722
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,799
Speaker 1: going to go there with this. He got so excited.

1723
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Guy took a shot and he goes. Stan said, oh,

1724
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: he hit the bleeping goalpost. Yeah, yeah, he dropped an

1725
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: explative in there. He did the explotive that you don't

1726
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: want to drop. He apparently dropped he hit the goal post.

1727
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm told that's absolutely in a basketball game or hockey

1728
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: hockey game. Yeah, he hit the post. And he called

1729
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: the bleeping goal the bleeping goal post. See, I gotta

1730
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: tell you, and I got I got to Buffalo nineteen

1731
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: eighty six, November of eighty six and so I don't

1732
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: know who Stan Baron was. I never heard him call

1733
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: a game or any of that. And because the Bisons

1734
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: were the hockey team was gone by that time, I

1735
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: was yeah, so um, yeah, that's news to me. I've

1736
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: never heard. I'm the wrong. I wasn't a local guy yet,

1737
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 1: didn't grow up here. Yeah he was. He was unique.

1738
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: I worked with the stant one more. He would come in.

1739
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: He had he wrote, you know, it was a different era.

1740
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: He wrote a one or two minute radio commentary every

1741
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: day for a noontime show and it would be the

1742
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: first thing he come in to work at three. He

1743
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: was on the ear till eleven, you know, sixty seven

1744
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 1: to eleven, and he come in. He had to have

1745
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: an idea. It was a commentary, right, editorial. My best

1746
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: days and I'd be working there in the news room.

1747
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Is when Stan was tapped out for ideas and he said, John,

1748
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 1: I need an idea. And I had like a list

1749
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: of three on my folder on my desk. Okay, Stan,

1750
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: how about little three basketball? Okay Stan, how about the Bills?

1751
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: Need to do this? And when he asked me for

1752
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: an idea and use it, I was like a twenty

1753
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: three year old. I was this is the best Stan

1754
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:26,759
Speaker 1: baron my idea great man. Look, I had great mentors,

1755
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Stan and Van and so many people that I worked

1756
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: with and around. And the thing about it too, You've

1757
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: been a Buffalo. You grew up in Lockport. I mean

1758
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: you're a Buffalo guy. Yeah, and you that's I think

1759
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: that how much? Tell me how much has that helped

1760
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: you get a feel for the fan base, for the teams,

1761
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: for the franchises, for the depth of knowledge you have

1762
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: to have about their history. You can throw that in

1763
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: everyone's name. It's almost an unfair advantage over people who

1764
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: come here from out of town. But you're gonna get

1765
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: a guy stuff. I've been there for stuff. Yeah, you

1766
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: think about you mean, you get some you know, because

1767
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,959
Speaker 1: when these jobs come up, I mean, you know, everybody

1768
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: wants to be on a radio for a Major league

1769
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: or NFL football team, or baseball team or hockey team.

1770
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: They want to be that guy because it's you know,

1771
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: and to have a guy like you, who you know

1772
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: fan was a Dunkirk guy. Yeah, you're a Lockpoort guy.

1773
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 1: And you've got these guys that grew up with the

1774
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: teams and stuff. I think it's hugely important. It's been

1775
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: a huge ben And I think that's a maybe more

1776
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 1: so than the other market, or like other markets, a

1777
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: size of buffalo. That's I think that's a prerequisite. Yeah,

1778
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: you need a guy, as we said, As I said

1779
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: to David Halberstam, it's a lot about these announcers who

1780
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: are revered, cherished. As he put it, it's a lot

1781
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: about the market, almost more so than the guys themselves.

1782
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: Like what do you want from your play by play announcer?

1783
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: What do you expect? You know? Plus plus it's the

1784
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: fact that you need to do it. You need to

1785
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:48,959
Speaker 1: be the guy for a while. You need a generation

1786
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,440
Speaker 1: of fans to know your voice and appreciate it. And

1787
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: and and I don't want to say that, but I

1788
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: don't know if I agree with Dave halbert Stamp about that.

1789
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: He said, it doesn't matter how good you are, you

1790
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: just got to be the same guy all the time.

1791
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't buy that. I've had worked

1792
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: with too many good announcers and with some guys who struggle. Yeah,

1793
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: and you you don't. Nobody wants to listen to a

1794
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 1: guy who is doesn't make him comfortable. Yeah, you know,

1795
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: all right. True. We're gonna take a break where you

1796
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: got more talk about well. Sean McCoy coming up at

1797
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: the top of the hour two o'clock. Andrew Brandt a

1798
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: sports business expert from a variety of platforms. He is

1799
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: the director of the More Ads Center for a Sports

1800
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: Law in Villanova University. He's going to join us at two.

1801
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk about McCoy. We'll talk about some other issues

1802
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: as well. That's coming up at two. We've got a

1803
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: lot more to come. One Bills Live from One Bill's

1804
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to

1805
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: the show. We call it One Bills Live. Where you

1806
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: are Live, which is a good thing where at One

1807
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive over a new air of field. It looks

1808
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: like they continue to work on the ribbon scoreboard, so

1809
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,919
Speaker 1: those look like they're gonna be bigger, be better. NFL

1810
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: notes today, Sam Beale consider the top talent in this

1811
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: year's Supplemental Draft third round, picked third selection in the

1812
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: third round by the New York Giants. The Western Michigan

1813
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: cornerback Albert Breer reports that Bial is the first player

1814
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: selected in the Supplemental Draft in three years, first to

1815
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: go in the first three rounds since Josh Gordon went

1816
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: in the second in twenty twelve, so it's unusual. Sounds

1817
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: like a pretty good player, like a long rangey guy

1818
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: right six one, not particularly heavy questions about his physicality

1819
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: and run supportability. But what the heck the Giants are?

1820
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: I will give the Giants credit under Dave Gentleman, and

1821
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: I know he's you know, under the weather these days.

1822
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: The Giants have been extremely aggressive this offseason, and the

1823
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Giants are serious about I think winning now, and you

1824
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: know what's Steve, I would not overlook the New York

1825
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 1: Giants as a potential challenger for the NFC East title.

1826
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: I think they I think ELI still has something left

1827
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: in the tank, and I think they're going to build

1828
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: the team to be to the Eagles, obviously, and I

1829
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: could see that. Yeah, I don't think Dallas is going

1830
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: to be formidable. I don't. I don't think the Redskins

1831
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: are gonna be formidable. So if if you're looking for

1832
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: somebody to challenge the Eagles, I think the Giants winning

1833
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: that challenger rolled by default. But I don't think anybody's

1834
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: gonna touch the Eagles, so particularly if Wentz comes in

1835
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: Week one and plays like he did at the end

1836
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: of the last season, or up to Week thirteen of

1837
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: the last season. So yeah, I think the Eagles are

1838
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna be there for a while. But we'll see, We'll

1839
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: see the guys back in the control room. We're talking

1840
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: talking up the Giants too. You're not a fan, no,

1841
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm may you know they'll be all right. I don't

1842
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: you know. They're not gonna be I don't think they'll

1843
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: be picking number two in the draft, that's for sure.

1844
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna be pushing to win

1845
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: that division. I really don't, you know. I mean, I

1846
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: just don't. Speaking of Eli, of course, you know the

1847
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: story right the old four draft, the quarterbacks score early.

1848
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Eli drafted by the charts, never signed, eventually wound up

1849
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: with the Giants. It all worked out. Philip Rivers goes

1850
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: to the uh the then San Diego Chargers. But Eli

1851
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: still has the jersey from the two thousand and four

1852
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, still has it, the one that they gave

1853
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: him when he went up on stage, still owns it.

1854
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. That's a collective item, right are

1855
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 1: you listen that there's a little story that went along

1856
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 1: with it, and he said, yeah, I've still got it.

1857
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 1: It was laying around my house and it was his

1858
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: mom and dad's house at Archie and Olivia's house, and

1859
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 1: his mom was like, yeah, he didn't need this anymore,

1860
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: right because he's you know, here's a guy won two

1861
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: super bowls with his team at the jime. Why does

1862
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: he need to charge your jersey. That's a mom, right,

1863
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean. And and so she's gonna like, you know,

1864
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: give it away, put it out the grow, you know,

1865
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: get rid of it. And Archie he said, Eli said, oh,

1866
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: my dad kind of stepped in and kind of wised up,

1867
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, he will keep hang on

1868
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 1: to he might save that for a rainy day, you

1869
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: know stuff. And sure enough, I mean, he got it.

1870
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: That's Can you imagine just giving that away? That's like,

1871
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: that's like for some people, that's the holy grail of memorabilia.

1872
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: That's one of those things that might have been kind

1873
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: of pieces of history for pro football. Do you imagine

1874
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: having Eli Manning's charger jersey that he got held up

1875
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: as the number one overall pick and was immediately traded

1876
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: to the Giants, who were who he won two super

1877
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: bowls with. That's a collector's item. You want to hang

1878
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: on to that, right, Hey, not only that he got

1879
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 1: traded for Philip Rivers. Who's going to the Hall of Fame? Two? Right,

1880
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 1: there's an interesting tea. We were talking with David Halberstam

1881
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 1: earlier today about home run throwback or no, I don't

1882
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 1: know how we got talking about it. You got talking

1883
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: about how it was the time when you thought maybe

1884
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: you shouldn't you wish you would have played. Listen to

1885
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: this tweet and this is I think says a lot

1886
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 1: about Bills fans. This is Greg Turlone tweets, and and

1887
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: it's almost twenty years, as we said, since the home

1888
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 1: run throwback. Greg turloone tweets and for me, home run

1889
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: throwback is one of the first examples of nearly twenty

1890
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:59,480
Speaker 1: years of exponentially worse over analyzation via replay. Forget ball trajectory,

1891
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 1: use your head, and there's no way a guy in

1892
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth throws a lateral to a guy in

1893
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: the twenty six. Greg Torlo tweets said, and he's right,

1894
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: you don't need to look at it over and over

1895
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: and over again on replay. It was illegal. It was

1896
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: an illegal forward pass. There's no question about that, folks.

1897
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: I have a smile on my face because it's twenty

1898
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: years ago, and but there was a time when I

1899
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,759
Speaker 1: was angry about that. It was an illegal forward pass.

1900
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: Clearly an illegal forward pass. Yes, Steve would have made

1901
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: a difference if he was playing, but he was not

1902
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 1: playing that day. But it's a it's a bad a

1903
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: lot of things easy to say twenty years later. Let

1904
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: me just tell you something. I remember thinking, listen, it's

1905
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 1: not where Dyson caught the ball, it's where the ball

1906
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: was when he reached back to grab it. That's all

1907
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: I can say. Illegal forward pass. That was should have

1908
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: been the call that day. I admit I saw it.

1909
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: I saw it on the day it happened and thought

1910
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: they don't even need to chase him because that was

1911
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: a forward pass. I remember. I then, you know, when

1912
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: they started looking at it and I started seeing the replays,

1913
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if they're going to

1914
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: be able to overturn it, and certainly they obviously a

1915
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: team goes to the Super Bowl because they didn't. I

1916
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 1: think this guy who tweeted us in Greg Torlone can

1917
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 1: can can help me in my push. He calls the

1918
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 1: home run throwback one of the first examples of twenty

1919
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: years of worse over analyzation on replay. Fall in line here, Greg,

1920
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 1: we're trying to get rid of replay. No more instant

1921
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: replay used in officiation. Hey, you're throwing around we pretty liberally,

1922
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: me and you and the mouse in your pocket. No

1923
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: more replay use in officiating football, Greg. It sounds like

1924
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 1: you're right on board with me there. I believe that,

1925
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: and I get ridiculed. Of course, on Twitter, we get

1926
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: ridiculed everything. But people say, oh, come on, Murph, get

1927
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: with the times. I am with the times. I've watched

1928
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: as much football those most people. Replay doesn't work, folks.

1929
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: It does not work. It creates as many problems as

1930
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: it solves. And as Greg Torlan points out, we saw

1931
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: it even twenty years ago for a home run throwback.

1932
01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 1: The replay was did not help officiate that play and

1933
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 1: actually may have contributed to the wrong call. You're just

1934
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:05,799
Speaker 1: being silent over there. I am you can't. I'm ridiculous,

1935
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: But I'm telling ridiculous to think that you would go

1936
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: back to a situation that was working better before you

1937
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: changed it. I don't believe it was working better. And

1938
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 1: number two is I don't think you can. I'm not

1939
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 1: you know it's in It's like in the in the

1940
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: Disney movie. No matter how the wind howls, the mountain's

1941
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 1: not gonna bow. It's you can't put that genie back

1942
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: in the bottle. What movie was that? That was in Mulan.

1943
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, So back in the bottle. You're

1944
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 1: still gonna have replay. You can still look at it,

1945
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 1: debate it, talk about it, just don't use it to

1946
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: make calls. Well, here's the thing, Murph. Yeah, you're gonna

1947
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 1: have You're gonna go back and look at it, and

1948
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: then you're gonna know you could have fixed it, and

1949
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, you could have fixed it, and now

1950
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: you don't replay. In fact, No, here's the thing. Here's

1951
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: the difference, Murph. You're trying to get it right and replay. Agreed,

1952
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: even though they screwed it up. But right right, okay,

1953
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: But listen then with if you don't get repay play

1954
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 1: out of it, you're not trying to get it right. Yeah.

1955
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: Now we're not trying to get it right because you

1956
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 1: you're not giving yourself the chance to look at it

1957
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: and say, oh, my gosh, look at that. The guy

1958
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: did bobble it. The ball did come out when he

1959
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 1: hit the ground. The ball was loose before his hand

1960
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: came forward in the pocket. It was a fumble. It

1961
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: was not a you know, it wasn't an incomplete fact.

1962
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Now you're you're giving up. You're right to get it right. Well,

1963
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: if you really subscribe to that theory, you would use

1964
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 1: replay for holding calls on all the other penalties where

1965
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,839
Speaker 1: it's not applicable. Now, why not use it for everything?

1966
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: Then I gotta I gotta way get around that. Listen

1967
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this too. I you know, Luke,

1968
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: my son plays in Canada. They can challenge anything. Yeah,

1969
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 1: why not use it like that? In fact, it helped

1970
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: the tie Cats last week when actually it didn't help them.

1971
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: But they got into a spot last week where they

1972
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: gave a big, big plan. They said, wait a minute,

1973
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 1: we think there was illegal contact on one and you

1974
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 1: got to pick the guy. Say on this guy right here,

1975
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: there was illegal You can't just throw it and say

1976
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: I think there was a penalty someplace. Look for it.

1977
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: You know there's none of that. But you say, listen

1978
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,759
Speaker 1: on our number, on our number sixteen there was a penalty.

1979
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: We want you to look at it, and they'll go

1980
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: back and look at it, and they and if you

1981
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: got a big play taken away, you could get it back,

1982
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 1: or vice versa. If that you gave up a big

1983
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,839
Speaker 1: play defensively, you can say, hey, their guy was offside,

1984
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: or there was an illegal formation or what have you.

1985
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Their guy pushed off. They go back and look at

1986
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: it and say, you're right, they and the big play

1987
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: comes off the board. So you can do that too,

1988
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: have it, he can widen it. Let these coaches and

1989
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 1: their coaching staffs up in the booth look at it

1990
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,600
Speaker 1: and pick where they want to have a challenge, you know,

1991
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and you can give him one of those a half

1992
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 1: or one of those a game. Speaking of Luke, your son,

1993
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: Luke's going to be on the show with us tomorrow,

1994
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, he's coming on on one o'clock

1995
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: to talk about Tiecatt's football. Yeah. Johnny Manzel and more

1996
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: importantly the real quarterback. Yeah, Jeremiah Azzoli playing up there

1997
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: keeping Johnny Manzel on the bench. He's got a string

1998
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 1: of nine straight games where he's thrown for three hundred

1999
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: plus yards, tied a couple of really guys. Ken Austin

2000
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 1: was one of the quarterbacks he tyed and Warren Moon

2001
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: was the other, and I think there's another guy. There's

2002
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 1: like a tie for fourth and the next game, Jeremiah's

2003
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: only a chance to set a cflrcorways. That league has

2004
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: been in existence for over one hundred and twenty five years.

2005
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 1: It's been amazing to see the depth of history that

2006
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: he is Canadian football. He has and the quarterback that's

2007
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: keeping Johnny Manzielle on the bench is on the verge

2008
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: of breaking a record for three hundred yard games in

2009
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: a row. So, Luke Tasker tomorrow on the show, what

2010
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 1: do we say one o'clock tomorrow? Now, he said, you

2011
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: can come on. I asked him if he wanted to

2012
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 1: come in or he wants to do a phone or

2013
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: I haven't heard yet. Okay, I'm thinking he's gonna do it.

2014
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: Daddy coming up with my dad. Boys, got a good

2015
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 1: guest coming up next. We will dive into what we

2016
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 1: can about the LaShaun McCoy situation. Our guests is gonna

2017
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 1: be Andrew Brandt, sports business analysts from the Mora Ad

2018
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: Law Center Sports Law Center at Middle Ova University. Andrew Brant,

2019
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: saying by to join us when we return. One Bills

2020
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Live from One Bills Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radios

2021
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: Radio Network Stories update from One Bill's Drive. The details

2022
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 1: remained scarce on the Lashawn McCoy situation. The lawyer or

2023
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: McCoy's ex girlfriend, says the Bills running back orchestrated an

2024
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 1: attack that left her bloody amid attempts to get her

2025
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 1: to leave the suburban Atlanta mansion then came down in

2026
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: a letter issued by the lawyer last night. No police

2027
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 1: report yet. The Bills maintained that they have been in

2028
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: contact with McCoy and are monitoring the situation, and no

2029
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: other details available today. The NFL Supplemental Draft to taking

2030
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 1: place this afternoon. The Giants got the top pick in

2031
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 1: the draft, the top talent anyway. With their third pick

2032
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,880
Speaker 1: in the third round. The Giants got former Western Michigan

2033
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: cornerback Sam Beale six foot one inches tall, ran a

2034
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 1: four four seven and the forty yard daster in the

2035
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: recent workout, and defensive back Adonis Alexander of Virginia Tech

2036
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: has been selected by Washington in the sixth round of

2037
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: the NFL Supplemental Track. The Baltimore Ravens are going to

2038
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: play in the Hall of Fame Game. They're also going

2039
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: to open the regular season against the Bills. And Ravens

2040
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: rookies reported a training camp today in Owings Mills, Maryland.

2041
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: They get an early week because of their participation in

2042
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,759
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Game this year. John Harbaugh's players

2043
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 1: report earlier than most teams due to the Ravens participation

2044
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame Game. Sabers An ounce today

2045
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: they've added Steve Smith to the club's coaching staff and

2046
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: the role as assistant coach. He is a nine year

2047
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: coaching veteran. Steve Smith joins the Sabers coaching staff. Roger

2048
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: Federer lost in a four hour, five set epic at

2049
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Wimbledon today, fell to Kevin Anderson, and also today Anderson

2050
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 1: moves on to the play Novak Djokovic, who won his

2051
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: match today at Wimbledon. World Cup semifinal today with the

2052
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: semifinal England and Croatia in Moscow, and England leads it

2053
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: by a score of one. DA lunting is the game

2054
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: is just getting started, and that is the update from

2055
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive. John Murphy and Steve Tasker starting our

2056
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 1: third and final hour and joining us on the subway

2057
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: fresh Take Highline. Happy to have a free quin guests

2058
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: the acknowledged sports business expert about the NFL and others.

2059
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: He is a host of the Business of Sports podcast,

2060
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: director the more Ed Center for Sports Law at Villanova University.

2061
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Andrew Brant on the line with us, Hi, Andrew, John Murphy,

2062
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 1: and Steve Tasker here, Thanks for joining us, Hey, John,

2063
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,919
Speaker 1: busy as always in the NFL. It's interesting the anthem policy,

2064
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: just as brought out by the union with the grievance.

2065
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: It just reminds me of the conduct policy where the

2066
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: NFL ignored the union crafting its policy. They did it again,

2067
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: and here's what happens. The Union falls grievance and says

2068
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 1: they want in too. But it just shows you the

2069
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: lack of trust between the NFL and NFLPA. One of

2070
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 1: the things I saw in that statement and issued yesterday

2071
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 1: by the PA, though, and I don't know how much

2072
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Speaker 1: you make of this, Andrew, the Players Association says they

2073
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 1: will have dialogue with the league, right, I mean that's

2074
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 1: Isn't that a positive sign they're going to talk about

2075
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: it anyway? Yeah? I guess, I mean it's too little,

2076
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 1: too late. It just seems like the policies crafted, I

2077
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 1: don't know what. Maybe they'll get some tweets on it,

2078
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, the NFL is not going to

2079
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: give up much, if any thing. So it's just where

2080
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 1: was this when they were crafting it? And maybe they

2081
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 1: were just ignored And now they got around of filing

2082
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 1: something Andrews it posturing by the NFL to put so

2083
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: much on the play of the NFL Players Association so

2084
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: that in further negotiations a CBA comes to a close.

2085
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: There just one more chip on the table that they

2086
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: can give or take that they really don't care about. Yes, Steve,

2087
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Speaker 1: you know what I don't understand is we've got Demorris

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Speaker 1: Smith and Roger Goodell, both extended now past the CBA

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01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:30,600
Speaker 1: dates twenty twenty one. Yet all we hear about is

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01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 1: armageddon and strikes and lockouts. It's never gonna work, blah

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01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: blah blah, will come on any moment of any day

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01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: in the past few years, and going forward they can

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01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: start negotiating. And this is where the lack of trust,

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01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: the animosity between the two sides is not good for

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01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,839
Speaker 1: anyone because all they seem to do is talk through lawyers.

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01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: They never talk. I would suggest Roger Goodeal and Demorris

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01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: Smith with their wives, without their wives, have a beer,

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01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:04,799
Speaker 1: have breakfast, have lunch, just do not talk business because

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01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 1: there's no relationship and that hurts everyone. I think I agree.

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01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Back in the day when Gene Upshaw was the head

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01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: of the union in Paul Tagliboo, they had a weekly

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01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 1: lunch or a regular lunch that they would sit down

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01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: together and talk things over and really hash out some

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01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 1: major issues literally over lunch. That is exactly what could

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01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 1: have and should have happened with this anthem policy. Instead,

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01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 1: what are we that was in May, We're two months

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01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 1: past it and now we see a grievance. I mean,

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01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 1: come on, it's like, let's you know. I know Demorris

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01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: Smith campaigned against the buddy buddy that Jean and Paul had,

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01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 1: but these are the kind of things where that really

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01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 1: helps these greasing over these issues like this. It's always

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01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: something right with these two. Andrew brand on the line

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01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: of the say, Andrew, in your former role as a

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01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 1: top club executive with the Green Bay Packers, I'm not

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01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 1: sure if you ever had a situation similar to Lashawn McCoy's.

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01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: But we're interested in your take on what the Bills was,

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01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: should be now and what they should be looking at

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01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 1: moving down the road here with still sketchy reports about

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01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: what McCoy may or may not be involved in. Yeah,

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01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 1: my point of contact always in the position of kind

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01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: of VP of the Packers, whatever the Bills equivalent is.

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01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: You have to point of contacts the agent. Agents kind

2123
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 1: of tell you what they hopefully have a good relationship.

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01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: You can work through it. Whether a coach or a

2125
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 1: player personnel guy or a position coach gets in touch

2126
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: with the player, that tends to be the relationship there.

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01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: But you want to get all the information you can,

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01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 1: and Drew and LaShaun may not want to give you

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01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 1: all the information. So it is a bit tense, you know.

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01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: Then you look down the road a potential discipline. Does

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01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 1: it come from the Bills? Does it come from the league?

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01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: Seems like these teams all defer to Roger right now

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01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: that he's the one given out all the disciplines. So

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01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I think we're at this lull

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01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 1: in the calendar, which is good and bad. It's good

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01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: because nothing's really going on. It's bad because these things

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01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: tend to drag without games or deadlines to make them happen.

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01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 1: What do you think the process is going to be

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01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: for the National Football League? What are they what do

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01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 1: they you know? I mean, they've got to have a

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01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: point of contact too, but they can go outside their

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01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 1: player coach team relationship and they look at police reports

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01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,919
Speaker 1: and they look at they put one of their security

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01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: guys on it, and I just think that they're going

2145
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: to have to consider everything. And one thing is back

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01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: in two and fourteen when this conduct policy came out,

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01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:38,639
Speaker 1: we talked about exemplest paid leave for situations would seem

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01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:40,840
Speaker 1: to be exactly like this where they're trying to find

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01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: out more doesn't look good. And we remember back in

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01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: the day we had Peterson with his kid and Greg

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01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: Hardy with his girlfriend. They were put on that list.

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01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: This seems to be Taylor made for that. We haven't

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01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: really seen that since then. I guess that's still an option. Right,

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01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Has this move forward? I would think so? And I

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01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:03,200
Speaker 1: wonder your thoughts on the timing of it. The bills,

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01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:06,519
Speaker 1: I would think probably would like to do something as

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01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: soon as they can, But there also was a benefit

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01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: to waiting. Right do you give it a little time

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01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,840
Speaker 1: to let the facts come out. Basually, they need facts

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01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,840
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, they do, and we're seeing bits and

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01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: pieces and social media, but we don't know. So they're

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01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 1: like us. I would think maybe they know more than us,

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01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 1: but they're trying to figure out everything and I think

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01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 1: it's going to take time. And I you know, tough

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01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: role for Drew because his loyalties to his client, so

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01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he's sharing with the bills

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01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 1: and how that's working out. You're talking about Drew Rosenhouse,

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01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,360
Speaker 1: the representation for Lashawn McCoy, and you're right that the agent.

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01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 1: Really you gotta if there's ever a time when you

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01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: need an agent, this is it. Forget about contract negotiation,

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01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 1: navigating these waters. You need somebody who is connected and

2172
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 1: has some experience with handling forget about the PR but

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01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:02,600
Speaker 1: also a law degree. I mean, you've got to have

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01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 1: of somebody. These guys got to get that's everybody gets

2175
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 1: lawyered up, right exactly, and that's what's going to happen.

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01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:11,240
Speaker 1: I think Lashawn's not going to say much of anything

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01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: and saying maybe true beyond that, Andrew, thanks for this,

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01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 1: good to talk with you. We hope to talk again.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes always pleasure guys talk soon. Andrew Brant MMQB Weekly

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01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 1: Countess handles the business of the NFL the business of sports.

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01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,760
Speaker 1: He's director of the Moored Center for Sports Law at Villanova.

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01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: He makes a good point, Steve about McCoy's situation. I

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01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:35,480
Speaker 1: believe in that, Uh, we're all eager, we're all, you know, breathless.

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01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: What's next, what's next? What's it mean? What's it mean?

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01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: And for the Bills, there's probably a benefit to just saying,

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01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:43,680
Speaker 1: let's let's wait a little bit. We don't have a

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01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,680
Speaker 1: game for seven or eight weeks, we don't have a

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01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 1: we don't have camp for two and a half weeks.

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01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 1: Let's chill. We'll see what's out there. Let's see what

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01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: the the official facts are. I think that's a benefit

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01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills now. It is because, you know,

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01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: as Andrew Branch just said, it's kind of it's good

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01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 1: that it happened now. Not good because it dominates the

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01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 1: storyline of the season. But there are no games and

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01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: no deadlines, and you do have a chance to sit

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01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 1: back because there's nothing that you got to get ready for.

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01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:10,600
Speaker 1: You're just kind of waiting for marking time now for

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01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: training camp to begin anyway, so at least they can

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01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: take a deep breath and say, Okay, we don't need

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01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 1: to rush to any kind of judgment or action for

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01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 1: or against or you know, in anything. They can just

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01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 1: sit and wait because they're not it's not costing them

2203
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: him anything to make a quick decision, so they can

2204
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: take all the time they want to hopefully get it

2205
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 1: exactly right. And his point about the I think it

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01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: was called the Commissioners exempt list when it came out

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01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,559
Speaker 1: with Great Party. Yeah, it was the exempt list paid

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01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: leave and they just set it for ins to just

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01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: setting the guy aside, no consequences for him on the

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01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: case in the case that he may be innocent, and

2211
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: no consequences for the team in the case that they

2212
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: may get caught by an act that was out of

2213
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: their control. Why not do that right exactly? I mean,

2214
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: if we get close to training camp and if still

2215
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 1: sorting through facts and sorting through deals on this, uh,

2216
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, Greg Hardy went through it a couple of

2217
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: years ago, as uh Andrew Brant pointed out, it was

2218
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: a two I'm looking it up now. Hardy placed on

2219
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: the exempt Commissioners permission list. They called it now I've

2220
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: lost it here Um the exempt permission list and this

2221
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 1: the exemp list, the same one that Adrian Peterson went

2222
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 1: on same day. Yeah, do you remember this. It was

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01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: the same day back in September of two thy fourteen.

2224
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: Um Hardy arrested on assault for a female. Peterson had

2225
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: the issue with his son. I think both cases at

2226
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: the time, if memory serves, were still in the fact

2227
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,640
Speaker 1: finding stage, and that's why it made sense. I wonder,

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01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 1: set at a side basis, was Ruben Foster ever on

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01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: that list for what he don't know? I think we

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01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 1: would know, as Andrew said, as I'm in you since

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01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,400
Speaker 1: two thy fourteen, and they can come up with whatever

2232
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 1: loophole they want to set the guy aside, his roster spot,

2233
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 1: his career, his you know, his presence. Just set it

2234
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: aside from the team from the league until the matters

2235
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: that are out of the league's purview gets settled, and

2236
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 1: then they can make a decision on whether it'll be

2237
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 1: allowed to re enter the league or be a part

2238
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 1: of it anymore. So. Obviously, Adrian Peterson was readmitted off

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01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 1: the list and Greg Hardy was not. I mean he was,

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01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,160
Speaker 1: He's no longer in the league. So you're right. I mean,

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01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 1: that's just one more degree of difficulty you have just

2242
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: sorting through this whole situation is how the league and

2243
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: what their league handles it and what their options are. Hey,

2244
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to ask Andrew Brant about this.

2245
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: He had another engagement and we apologize. We got to

2246
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: him late. We had too much fun at the last hour.

2247
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're talking about. Replay. Oh yeah,

2248
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: I went off on my replay rant. One of the

2249
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: things though, has come out, and I will always take

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01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 1: the aganty to talk bad about replay. One of the

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01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: things that has come up, and I'd sure Andrew would

2252
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 1: have had some thoughts on this was Russell Ocome, who

2253
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: somehow got off on a Twitter rant about guaranteed contracts

2254
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 1: and the fact that they do not exist in the

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01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 1: National Football League. What do you know about Stephen? What

2256
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: do you think? Well, I read I read his tweets

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01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: and and his and his uh justification for him and there,

2258
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 1: and they make good sense when you sit and look

2259
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 1: at it objectively. Um NFL play, he'll say, and this

2260
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:13,480
Speaker 1: we're we've got it up on MSG. I will never

2261
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 1: understand how billionaire team owners have convinced the public that

2262
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 1: the players who put their bodies on the line every

2263
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 1: week and make less than fifty percent of league revenues

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01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 1: are the ungrateful ones. Well, nobody says they're ungrateful. Yeah,

2265
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 1: well yeah, I mean no, nobody says it because most

2266
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 1: of them are not ungrateful. They appreciate their they appreciate

2267
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 1: their careers, they appreciate the game, they appreciate the certainly

2268
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 1: appreciate the paycheck, no question about it. The thing that

2269
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 1: every player wants, and I you know, in to a

2270
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 1: certain extent, I've always sought after. This was security. When

2271
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I sign a contract, I want to I want to

2272
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 1: get that money. You know, I want to make sure

2273
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 1: that my family is taken care of and all the

2274
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: people in my life or whoever they may be, that

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01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it. And there's no guarantee of that.

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01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 1: There's when you sign a contract you may get unless

2277
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 1: you get a signing bonus where all of it's up front,

2278
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 1: you don't You're not guaranteed anything, and you may not

2279
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: see a single dime or dollar of the contract you sign.

2280
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 1: And that's always been a point of contention for the players.

2281
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: Now for the owners, here's the can you can, and

2282
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 1: the risk for the owners is obvious if you sign

2283
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: a guy, for instance, let's take Drew Bledsoe. Robert Kraft

2284
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: sign Drew Bledsoe to one hundred and ten million dollar

2285
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 1: contract two days lay a. Two days later, he's out

2286
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 1: and injured, and Tom Brady takes over for him. You've

2287
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: got Tom Brady playing and Drew Bledsoe playing one hundred

2288
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 1: and ten million dollar contract and Drew Bledsoe can't even

2289
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: get on the field because he's physically injured. That is

2290
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 1: bad business and owners or that's that's there has been

2291
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: has always been their stance and their justification for doing it.

2292
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 1: Or you've got players like Marcel Darius who a lot

2293
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 1: of Bills fans in Buffalo thing picture this and you

2294
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 1: can exaggerate it if you want. This guy signs the

2295
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 1: deal he signed with the Buffalo Bills, a very lucrative deal,

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Speaker 1: and the Bill subsequently have traded him away. But before that,

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01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Bills fans think once he signed that contract,

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01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 1: he was never the same player. Exaggerate that a player

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01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 1: who not only is he not the same player, he

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01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 1: doesn't show up. He said, I don't want to play anymore.

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01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to risk my knees. I don't want

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01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 1: it hurts me when I play. I don't. I'm just

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01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm just gonna sit here on my couch

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01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 1: and collect my one hundred million dollars. Thanks, and I'll

2305
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 1: cash the check when it gets here. That's exaggerating, obviously,

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01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,160
Speaker 1: you know a player to have a hard time doing it.

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01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 1: But that's also the players the owner's stance. You've got

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01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: guys who mail it in. Now when they sign a

2309
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 1: big contract, why would you want to guarantee everybody that

2310
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 1: and have everybody mail it in? And the league goes

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01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 1: down the tubes as a result because nobody wants to play.

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01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: I think Oh King's making some points though he is

2313
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 1: absolutely you know, And he tweets and writes, considering football's level,

2314
01:58:56,680 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: the brute, imminent, misspelled physicality, high turnover, as well as

2315
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 1: the short life cycle of its participants, it would seem

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01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 1: to me that NFL players are in the most need

2317
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 1: of fully guaranteed contracts. He goes on to say that

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01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:11,360
Speaker 1: people argue that it's apples and orange is the NFL

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01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 1: and other sports, And he said yes, and no league

2320
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 1: revenues are skyrocketing a monster media rights dealers on the horizon,

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01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 1: the business of football will never be the same. He

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01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 1: wants players to convince ownership to respect them as partners.

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01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 1: And you know, he's talking about redoing the CBA and

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01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 1: allow it. And And I think you could do it now,

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed salary. I don't think there's anything stopping it.

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Speaker 1: But boy, I think owners would go to the wall

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01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 1: to prevent that from happening. A fully guaranteed contract for anyone.

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01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening unless somebody. I don't either.

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01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 1: And the economics, the economics of the of the NFL

2330
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 1: football are much different than they are for the NBA.

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01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 1: Fewer players, fewer roster spots, eighty two game schedule versus

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01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: sixteen game schedule. But by the same token, the NFL

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01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 1: has grown to the point where the revenues dwarf any

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02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:06,720
Speaker 1: other pro sports league, and the players right now are

2335
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 1: making less than half the revenues. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to be considered a full partner, you should make, you know,

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Speaker 1: give them half. You know, that's only you're talking two

2338
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:16,880
Speaker 1: percent of the growth, but it's still spread among twenty

2339
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: six guys plus the account. And here's some of the

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02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:23,720
Speaker 1: more knowledgeable points that Russell Okung made in his Twitter

2341
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: tirade on it. It was the tirade, yeah, is that

2342
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 1: the accounting techniques that they use to set the salary

2343
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:37,919
Speaker 1: cap are antiquated and miscast in the present day economics

2344
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 1: of the National Football League. Those need to be reworked

2345
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:44,440
Speaker 1: and re looked at so that the revenues that come

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02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:49,400
Speaker 1: to the NFL are are all split and handled in

2347
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:52,640
Speaker 1: a uniform and modern way to set the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: So the salary cap should be different now in Okung's reason,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's really it's really reason quite well, there's

2350
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 1: no question that you can look at the dead money

2351
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:06,480
Speaker 1: that's that's lost on the revenues, and what happens is

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02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,000
Speaker 1: if a team has a lot of dead money on

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02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 1: their cap, the revenues are still there. They just don't

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Speaker 1: have anybody to pay the money. They're not paying the

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Speaker 1: money to anybody's dead. You're not allowed to pay the

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Speaker 1: players that money, and and that O Kunk says that

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02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 1: money should still go to the players who are in

2358
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 1: the league. It was ten percent of the overall cap

2359
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 1: of five points something billion, the cap number this year

2360
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,160
Speaker 1: for all thirty two teams, so that money that is

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Speaker 1: dead should still go to the players that are actually playing,

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Speaker 1: and that's what the players haven't made. I can see

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02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,920
Speaker 1: a revision and maybe an I think they can three

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02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 1: or four years away. Yeah, I think I think they

2365
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:46,520
Speaker 1: should start on that right now. And I don't think

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02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,480
Speaker 1: you need to go guaranteed money, but certainly the dead

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02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:51,320
Speaker 1: money that's in the cap space should still go to

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Speaker 1: the pool of players that are played the game. This

2369
02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 1: goes to the point you just made though with Andrew Brant.

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02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 1: The relations between the league and the players Association are

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02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 1: so streamed and so you know, fouled up. You can't

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02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 1: imagine they would ever sit down and say, hey, let's

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02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 1: get a jump, maybe we should redo this. And I'm

2374
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:10,320
Speaker 1: telling you, right, I think you can't agree about Anthles.

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02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: You can't agree about it. It's an absolute mistake. And

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that down deep. Maurice Smith,

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Speaker 1: the head of the Players Union, has done some really

2378
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 1: good things and he has looked out for the players

2379
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And I've never met him,

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02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 1: so I don't know, but I think he did make

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02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:26,600
Speaker 1: a mistake when he came in. And I know, you

2382
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 1: gotta do what you gotta do to get elected. We've

2383
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 1: seen that enough times. But I think it is a

2384
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:33,760
Speaker 1: mistake for him to go on on the platform with

2385
02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 1: the players Union to say, listen, I won't be buddy

2386
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:40,920
Speaker 1: buddy with the commissioner, whoever it is. Listen, a lot

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02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 1: of great things, groundbreaking deals were cut over the lunch

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Speaker 1: between the commissioner and the head of the union. It

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02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:50,080
Speaker 1: is not that to me, it is not that difficult

2390
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 1: to sit down and have lunch with the guy and

2391
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 1: talk to him, because I think that's how things get done.

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02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:58,120
Speaker 1: And I think if you're talking through litigation, I think

2393
02:02:58,200 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 1: it takes an infinite number amount of time longer to

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02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,440
Speaker 1: get things well. I mean, there's incentive to make it,

2395
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 1: incentive to make it to drag it out right the

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02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:13,880
Speaker 1: feed right, I think. I think when the commissioner and

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02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:15,480
Speaker 1: the head of the union can sit down and have

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02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 1: lunch and talk things over as partners rather than adversaries,

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02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,200
Speaker 1: I think things will get done. I think that's the

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02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:24,920
Speaker 1: way it should be. And Demouri Smith kind of sabotaged

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02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,280
Speaker 1: his ability to do that because he would be going

2402
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 1: against what the union rank and file hired him to do.

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02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:34,120
Speaker 1: I would think a former player as yourself might be

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02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:37,360
Speaker 1: more open to the concept of guaranteed money, guaranteed salaries.

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02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 1: At first, I was not because I've seen because listen,

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02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:43,040
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to earn the money that

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02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,960
Speaker 1: I actually earned. And I saw enough guys take it

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02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 1: out of gear and I had to play with them.

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02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 1: They were making, you know, three times the money I was,

2410
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 1: and they they weren't putting forth the effort. I was,

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02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 1: so I have that that, but also I know that

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02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:01,000
Speaker 1: was the one thing I always strive for. I would

2413
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 1: have loved to have it for myself and my family.

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02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:06,640
Speaker 1: Guarantee money, Yeah, guarantee money, but but I understand the

2415
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:09,920
Speaker 1: economics of it, and I know players have always are

2416
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:12,840
Speaker 1: striving towards it. Now it's Kirk Cousins deal eighty four

2417
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: million or eighty million dollars fully guaranteed over three years. Hey,

2418
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 1: I tip my hat to him. That's what every player

2419
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:22,200
Speaker 1: has always strived for. Breakcare, We're back but more One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio back in the show. And One Bill's Lap

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Speaker 1: got about thirty minutes lap thirty minutes lap. Folks, you

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Speaker 1: care to weigh in our Twitter poll. Let's do that now,

2424
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 1: get a phone call in at eight o three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty or twelve three one eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty. Yes, they're busy, man. The Twitter poll

2427
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:57,879
Speaker 1: has been like completely forgotten and again it was a runaway.

2428
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: It's one of those Twitter polls that I hate. Who's

2429
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:04,280
Speaker 1: Twitter is this yours? I had nothing to do with

2430
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: this bowl. I completely wash my hands the entire incident.

2431
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:10,840
Speaker 1: Which Bill's defensive player will make the Pro Bowl in

2432
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen? That is the question we put before the

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02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 1: before the folks here today, and as far as the

2434
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:19,720
Speaker 1: responses is, Steve said it is a runaway. More than

2435
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:23,720
Speaker 1: seventy percent say seventy two percent say tred Avious White

2436
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:25,840
Speaker 1: is the Bill defender who will make the Pro Bowl?

2437
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 1: And tell us why you think this too? By the way,

2438
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:31,160
Speaker 1: seventeen percent say Micah Hyde who made it last year,

2439
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:34,200
Speaker 1: eight percent say Jordan Poyer, four percent have somebody else

2440
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 1: in mind? Give us a call eight oh three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty and toll free one eight eight eighty fifty

2442
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Speaker 1: two five fifteen. We'll discuss call here from Mike and

2443
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 1: Las Vegas not on that topic, but go ahead and Mike,

2444
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:49,720
Speaker 1: you're on the air with us. Hello Mike and Las Vegas. Good,

2445
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:55,000
Speaker 1: Thank you good. I had the pleasure of having dinner

2446
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:58,880
Speaker 1: about fifteen fifteen years ago in Las Vegas. What's Jr?

2447
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 1: Mkelly Uncle? Well, I'll have our prayers out to him,

2448
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,880
Speaker 1: and were just wondering how he's doing. Steve. You did

2449
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:06,960
Speaker 1: Kelly's camp last two weeks a couple of weeks ago,

2450
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,240
Speaker 1: took a selfie with him. Plus he's been on Instagram.

2451
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 1: He went to a wedding that was actually in Scotland

2452
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 1: this last week, so he's been traveling around the world.

2453
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 1: He just had a had an operation a couple of

2454
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:19,680
Speaker 1: weeks ago that was a little bit more of a

2455
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 1: reconstruct post operative recovery operation had it wasn't about the cancer,

2456
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 1: it was about reconstruction and cosmetics and so that, and

2457
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:33,080
Speaker 1: that seems to have gone well. And from my knowledge,

2458
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:35,880
Speaker 1: he's doing great. He chimes in every once in a

2459
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:39,080
Speaker 1: while on the five President's tech Sloop and and and

2460
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:41,360
Speaker 1: uh from what I haven't talked to him lately, but

2461
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 1: I talked to him when he was at his football

2462
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 1: camp and he seemed in really good spirits. So thank

2463
02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:49,040
Speaker 1: you for asking Mike I appreciate it. It's great to him.

2464
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 1: I got some further going out to him and Steve.

2465
02:06:54,040 --> 02:06:57,040
Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching him playing football those years. Well. I

2466
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,360
Speaker 1: appreciated Mike, I was. It was fun while it lasted.

2467
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,800
Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, thanks for calling from all the way in Vegas.

2468
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, I guess it bear saying Steve. Jim has

2469
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:09,960
Speaker 1: been sick for so long and face so many challenges

2470
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:14,040
Speaker 1: that Mike reminds us. You know, you cannot ignore what

2471
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 1: he's been through, what he's going through and how you know,

2472
02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:21,200
Speaker 1: I guess courageous is the word. What he's what he's done.

2473
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's amazing. He's an amazing, resilient human

2474
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,640
Speaker 1: being who's gone through an awful lot. And yes, of

2475
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 1: course we all pray for him and wish him well,

2476
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:33,000
Speaker 1: and I stand in awe of his strength and his

2477
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,080
Speaker 1: ability to continue to bounce back. I do. Yeah, he's

2478
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:38,280
Speaker 1: a phenomenal The one time, the only time you'll see

2479
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,640
Speaker 1: him kind of. Yeah, he's just sometimes when it's been

2480
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:43,240
Speaker 1: a bad stretch or whatever, he'll say, Man, I'm just

2481
02:07:43,240 --> 02:07:45,200
Speaker 1: tired of being sore, hurting all the time. Yeah, And

2482
02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 1: that's and that's one of the things that your heart. Yeah,

2483
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 1: it does. And it also it's one of the common

2484
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 1: denominators for old football players of whatever vintage you want

2485
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 1: to pick. They just, you know, they hurt too much

2486
02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:57,680
Speaker 1: all the time, and it kind of starts to wear

2487
02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:01,080
Speaker 1: on him. Although I got to say him when he

2488
02:08:01,120 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 1: feels good, he's his old self and it's fun to see.

2489
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:06,800
Speaker 1: And it said, it's reassuring to see. But you're right,

2490
02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:12,360
Speaker 1: the guy's been an inspiration. Yeah, aration call here from Jerome.

2491
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jerome, you're on the air list. Oh thank

2492
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 1: you that afternoon, gentlemen. I'm a lifelong Bills fan forever.

2493
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to be even after the grave. To be

2494
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 1: honest with you, I just like to see them guys,

2495
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:28,320
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do too? Had a hunger, hunger

2496
02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:30,280
Speaker 1: in them to win a super Bowl? Go there and

2497
02:08:30,360 --> 02:08:32,360
Speaker 1: win it. I would like to see one. I say

2498
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:34,480
Speaker 1: it every year, we're gonna win the Super Bowl. So

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02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,400
Speaker 1: I take in consideration that Tyry helped us along, got

2500
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 1: us into the playoffs, and then they got rid of him.

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02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:43,520
Speaker 1: He knows the deals. I mean, you get rid of

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02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:45,440
Speaker 1: a guy, I guess you got a better offer or something.

2503
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Speaker 1: But I'd like to see the deals, go to the

2504
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, win it. Jim Kelly style, To be honest

2505
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:51,919
Speaker 1: with you, I love the way he played. He beside

2506
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 1: Joe Ferguson, I think he was the best quarterback that

2507
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 1: we ever had, you know, and that's just my personal opinion.

2508
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:00,000
Speaker 1: Jim is the greatest to me because he's four straight

2509
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 1: to the Bowls. I've never seen that happen in my

2510
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 1: lifetime or anybody. I don't think nobody else had. Well,

2511
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 1: that's not good point. How can we get there in

2512
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,800
Speaker 1: state and win? This is what I would like to

2513
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 1: see that we all would Well, I appreciate you. You're right,

2514
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 1: and you're right. I mean that's the idea, And you're

2515
02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:19,280
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly style is right. I mean because Jim, we

2516
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,920
Speaker 1: were really fortunate too. And we've watched him since he retired.

2517
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 1: He lives here in Buffalo. I mean, he's a guy.

2518
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:25,360
Speaker 1: He's part of the furniture here. I mean, people know

2519
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:27,200
Speaker 1: him and if you haven't met him, it is because

2520
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 1: you just haven't been out to enough places, because that

2521
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:32,200
Speaker 1: guy is here in Buffalo. And the thing about winning it,

2522
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:35,720
Speaker 1: like Jim Kelly, the thing that overrides everything about that

2523
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 1: team and about Jim and about you know, his personality.

2524
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 1: He was a reflection of our city. He was blue collar.

2525
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: He wore his heart on his sleeve. When he was mad,

2526
02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:51,600
Speaker 1: you knew it. When he was happy, he celebrated together

2527
02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 1: with him. He never hid anything. And Buffalo Ians are

2528
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:57,280
Speaker 1: kind of like that. They're hard working people and they

2529
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 1: wear their heart on the sleeve. And Jim personified that

2530
02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:01,760
Speaker 1: on the football field the way he played and the

2531
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 1: way he won and the way he lost. Uh. He

2532
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:07,160
Speaker 1: was a tough competitor, all of that stuff. So when

2533
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 1: you say you want to win and go to and

2534
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:10,680
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl Jim Kelly style, you're right. That's

2535
02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 1: the way Buffalo wants to do it. And we were

2536
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:14,640
Speaker 1: fortunate to be at a time when we had a

2537
02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:16,800
Speaker 1: chance to do it exactly the way the city would

2538
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:19,600
Speaker 1: like to do it. Uh. And and I'm telling you

2539
02:10:20,120 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 1: it was fun to be a part of. That's why

2540
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:23,600
Speaker 1: that team was legendary because a guy's like Jim and

2541
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:26,000
Speaker 1: the way they personified this city and the relationship between

2542
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:29,760
Speaker 1: the fans and the players. And that's what this group

2543
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 1: is striving to do. This is what this coaching staff

2544
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 1: and this front office have tried to formulate here and

2545
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, this is an easy team

2546
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 1: to cheer for. I got a lot that guys they

2547
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:43,240
Speaker 1: drafted this year are phenomenal guys. You can't wait to

2548
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:48,440
Speaker 1: see him play. And and he said, he said, we're

2549
02:10:49,160 --> 02:10:52,560
Speaker 1: Jerome just called and said we're gonna win the Super Bowl? Murph.

2550
02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:54,280
Speaker 1: Do I need to give him kool Aid? Or is

2551
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 1: he dispensing? L I think he's got he's got the

2552
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,680
Speaker 1: tap and he's he's just he's just spend seeing the Kolaid.

2553
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:02,960
Speaker 1: So Jerome, you're on you all, put you in for

2554
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:06,920
Speaker 1: the person who is on the kool Aid dispensary committee.

2555
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:10,360
Speaker 1: Time now for NFL True or False, presented by Yancey's

2556
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:13,520
Speaker 1: Fancy New York's artist and Cheese. A couple of quick

2557
02:11:13,560 --> 02:11:16,320
Speaker 1: items from the NFL wire stuff going on around the league.

2558
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 1: We want to talk about whether we believe it. NFL

2559
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:20,840
Speaker 1: True or False. Here we go, Ready to go, Here

2560
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:24,080
Speaker 1: we go. Randy Moss Hall of Fame wide receiver. You're

2561
02:11:24,080 --> 02:11:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna go in the Hall of Fame this year. He's

2562
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:28,760
Speaker 1: in Tampa this week helping Bucks quarterback Jamis Winston. He's

2563
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:32,920
Speaker 1: working with receivers too, helping Buck's quarterback Jamis Winston, who

2564
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:35,520
Speaker 1: obviously has got that three game suspension coming up at

2565
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 1: the start of the year after the incident with the

2566
02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:41,720
Speaker 1: uber driver. Randy Moss says Winston can overcome this if

2567
02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:43,839
Speaker 1: he makes the right choices the rest of the way.

2568
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:45,920
Speaker 1: He says he's pulling for him. It doesn't like to

2569
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:49,560
Speaker 1: see players fail. Randy Moss will help Jamis Winston get

2570
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:54,000
Speaker 1: better as a person. I think we're talking about here. True. False. Steve,

2571
02:11:54,080 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 1: you want to start, I'm gonna have to say at first,

2572
02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:59,320
Speaker 1: I have to stay off the top. True. Because I

2573
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:02,160
Speaker 1: was reading the message that Randy Moss purportedly is trying

2574
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:05,360
Speaker 1: to tell Winston Jamis Winston, and it seems to be

2575
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:07,200
Speaker 1: the right message. If you're gonna you gotta have people

2576
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 1: in your life who are willing and able to tell

2577
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:12,120
Speaker 1: you no, They're able to put in check. You don't

2578
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:14,080
Speaker 1: want yes people in your life. You don't want people

2579
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:16,240
Speaker 1: who are enabling you. You don't want to have people

2580
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:19,160
Speaker 1: in your life who use you for a meal ticket

2581
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:21,520
Speaker 1: so they never want to make you mad. You've got

2582
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 1: to have people that you love and respect in your life,

2583
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:26,200
Speaker 1: who love and respect you enough to tell you know

2584
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,600
Speaker 1: and give you advice that is contrary to your wishes,

2585
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:32,520
Speaker 1: and that's the message that Randy Moss is giving to

2586
02:12:32,600 --> 02:12:35,440
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. Now that so if Jamis is willing to

2587
02:12:35,480 --> 02:12:39,879
Speaker 1: listen and enact that stuff, Yeah, Randy Moss can definitely

2588
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:42,800
Speaker 1: help him. I hope he does. I guess i'd root

2589
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:45,560
Speaker 1: for him to have a positive impact on him. I

2590
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:51,520
Speaker 1: worry that Jamis Winston maybe maybe beyond redemption, and so

2591
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say false. I don't know if he will

2592
02:12:53,480 --> 02:12:56,720
Speaker 1: help make him better. That sounds pretty cool. It's like

2593
02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:59,960
Speaker 1: everything's up to Jamis it is. It's more about Jamison's Randy,

2594
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:03,720
Speaker 1: It's not Jamis. NFL true or false. This is very interesting.

2595
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:07,200
Speaker 1: Gil Brandt, you know he is right, long time Cowboys Ncyclopedia. Yes,

2596
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:11,360
Speaker 1: he has written a post for NFL dot com about

2597
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 1: the top wide receivers in NFL history. He's got number

2598
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:17,360
Speaker 1: five Steelers Antonio o'brown. Let me go through the top

2599
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:19,960
Speaker 1: five here, Jerry Rice number one. I think everybody would agree.

2600
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 1: Top these are the top receivers all the time in

2601
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:26,920
Speaker 1: Gil Brand's mine. Don Hudson, Green Bay Packers number two. Okay,

2602
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:28,960
Speaker 1: never saw him play, but I know he's held in

2603
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:32,200
Speaker 1: high regard. He's got Randy Moss number three. The fforementioned,

2604
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:35,680
Speaker 1: he's got Lance Allworth, the fourth best wide receiver all time,

2605
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:40,680
Speaker 1: and then Antonio o'brown. Brown's had great years, a great year,

2606
02:13:40,760 --> 02:13:42,840
Speaker 1: six time Pro Bowler for the Steelers. But you know what,

2607
02:13:43,240 --> 02:13:45,600
Speaker 1: I'd plug Larry Fitzgerald in there at number five ahead

2608
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:47,240
Speaker 1: of him. So I'm going false on this. I don't

2609
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:50,160
Speaker 1: know if he's a top five receiver, top ten. Yeah,

2610
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:52,200
Speaker 1: you want to hear some other names, Steve, who were

2611
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:55,160
Speaker 1: Marvin Harris read the list? You saw the list, Larry Fitzgerald,

2612
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Bob Hayes, Chris Carter, Raymond, Barry, Tim Brown,

2613
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:02,919
Speaker 1: James Often he's got ranked his number thirteen. Is Antonio

2614
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:05,400
Speaker 1: Brown the fifth best wide receiver in NFL history? I

2615
02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:08,880
Speaker 1: say false? What do you say? I say? False? Absolutely false?

2616
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 1: IM he's great, no questions, highly talented. The Steelers are

2617
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:15,640
Speaker 1: markedly different team with him on the football field. But

2618
02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:20,040
Speaker 1: putting him in that number five all time, I think

2619
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,480
Speaker 1: I think that's being a little bit a prisoner at

2620
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:24,160
Speaker 1: the moment. I don't. I don't think just because this

2621
02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:26,720
Speaker 1: guy's flashing right now, that he's going to be that

2622
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 1: He's an all time greade you look back across the

2623
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:33,240
Speaker 1: course of history. Yeah, I can't put him there. I can't.

2624
02:14:33,480 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, I mean really, I mean, you're you're talking

2625
02:14:36,160 --> 02:14:37,720
Speaker 1: about guys, and that's and we were gonna get onto

2626
02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:39,839
Speaker 1: this topic. Two great players who were on bad teams.

2627
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:46,879
Speaker 1: I think uh Antonio Brown would be out of football

2628
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:49,920
Speaker 1: if he was playing for the Cleveland Browns. No, I'm saying,

2629
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating. He wouldn't be out of football, but he

2630
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:53,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that kind of player if he didn't have

2631
02:14:53,480 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 1: Ben Rossberger thrown to him, if he was or if

2632
02:14:57,080 --> 02:14:59,760
Speaker 1: he was in Chicago for the Bears with Mitch Trubiski

2633
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:03,280
Speaker 1: and who ever, the long line of quarterback question marks

2634
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,280
Speaker 1: they had in Cleveland in some of these towns that

2635
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't have a quarterback like Ben Roethlisberger for his entire

2636
02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:13,320
Speaker 1: career who was an elite, established quarterback that wasn't going anywhere. Yeah,

2637
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:17,040
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown has put together some phenomenal seasons, but I

2638
02:15:17,080 --> 02:15:19,240
Speaker 1: don't think you could plug him in just anywhere like

2639
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:20,840
Speaker 1: you could some of the other names on this list

2640
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:23,920
Speaker 1: and he would be as great good, Yes, but he

2641
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:26,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be on this list, So I say false, we

2642
02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:29,320
Speaker 1: both say false. Finally, NFL true or false. This one's

2643
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:33,959
Speaker 1: kind of funny. Kirk Cousins remarking on the scrambling ability

2644
02:15:34,280 --> 02:15:36,760
Speaker 1: of future Hall of Famer Tom Brady. Kirk Cousins says

2645
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:41,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady scrambles like a quote baby giraffe. Says he

2646
02:15:41,200 --> 02:15:43,960
Speaker 1: respects some. Cousins says he respects him. He said, when

2647
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:46,600
Speaker 1: we were watching video Patriot Saints, some of the plays

2648
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 1: he made were great. I see some mobility, but he

2649
02:15:49,560 --> 02:15:51,360
Speaker 1: finds a way in the pocket to keep his eyes

2650
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:55,840
Speaker 1: down field. But he does say. Cousins says, he looks

2651
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 1: like a baby giraffe when he starts to run around.

2652
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:03,040
Speaker 1: True or false. Now we've got I'll say true. Yeah,

2653
02:16:03,160 --> 02:16:08,720
Speaker 1: long legs, not extremely fast. Yeah, I would say I'm

2654
02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna say false because his nickname on the Raiders is Clydesdale.

2655
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:14,520
Speaker 1: So when he starts around, they say he looks like

2656
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:17,360
Speaker 1: a Clydesdale running when when he run, so I'm gonna

2657
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:21,120
Speaker 1: say yeah, but he's not. Yeah, he's yeah, he's no

2658
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:25,080
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, he's no Tyrod Taylor. And he does

2659
02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:27,160
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's a testament to him that he

2660
02:16:27,160 --> 02:16:31,360
Speaker 1: can't run really well. Um, but I don't know. I

2661
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:34,960
Speaker 1: would not have picked a baby giraffe. Brady does. And

2662
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm paying him a compliment here. Yeah, he's not Tyrod

2663
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:40,959
Speaker 1: Taylor mobile. But Brady has pocket awareness, like maybe as

2664
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:44,400
Speaker 1: good as anybody ever sees where the rush is coming from,

2665
02:16:44,560 --> 02:16:47,120
Speaker 1: fields where it's coming from, knows how to take a step,

2666
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 1: a step and a half to get away from the

2667
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 1: rush and make a play den and to wait long

2668
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:52,760
Speaker 1: enough to make the playdown field. He does that as

2669
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:55,160
Speaker 1: well as anyone. Oh absolutely, he's That's part of the

2670
02:16:55,160 --> 02:16:57,440
Speaker 1: reason he's maybe the greatest guy to ever takes snaps

2671
02:16:57,440 --> 02:16:59,080
Speaker 1: in the league in league history. Is certainly one of

2672
02:16:59,080 --> 02:17:01,760
Speaker 1: the most six not the most successful guy to ever

2673
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,040
Speaker 1: do it because of his ability to keep his eyes

2674
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:06,680
Speaker 1: down the field not be bothered by the rush. So yeah,

2675
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:11,000
Speaker 1: but baby draft, I'm gonna say no. NFL True or False.

2676
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:15,440
Speaker 1: Brought to you by Yancey's, Fancy New York's Artists and Cheese.

2677
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:18,280
Speaker 1: All right, a break. Here we're back with more One

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2680
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Speaker 1: have we learned from today's show. We'd like to learn

2681
02:17:43,959 --> 02:17:46,959
Speaker 1: every day. This is a learning project. Every day we

2682
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,760
Speaker 1: come here to work three hours weekdays and hope to

2683
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Speaker 1: educate ourselves a little bit. And if you having to

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Speaker 1: on David Halberstam, not that one, but a distant relative.

2690
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:11,280
Speaker 1: David Halberstam joined us to talk about a post that

2691
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:15,279
Speaker 1: he wrote for the Sports Broadcast Journal about great tandems

2692
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:18,680
Speaker 1: two play by play guys, different sports, same cities. He

2693
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:22,080
Speaker 1: had Van Miller and Rick Jennerette as his fourth all

2694
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:25,840
Speaker 1: time great play by play tandem, and David Halberstam talked

2695
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:28,200
Speaker 1: to us about his take on Van Miller and what

2696
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:33,320
Speaker 1: made him so great today two in a game on

2697
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:37,640
Speaker 1: radio and painting the picture being the words, it's an

2698
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:41,120
Speaker 1: art that I'm afraid as being a lost. Miller had it,

2699
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:45,000
Speaker 1: without a doubt, had a great command of the language

2700
02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:49,480
Speaker 1: he paused properly. He built the drama and you can

2701
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:53,840
Speaker 1: just hear it from the inflection in his voice. Have

2702
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:57,439
Speaker 1: a good conversation with David Halberstam about those two broadcasters,

2703
02:18:57,480 --> 02:18:59,960
Speaker 1: Rink Jenner N and Van Miller. Andrew Brand joined us

2704
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:03,440
Speaker 1: earlier this hour sports business expert. He is the man

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Speaker 1: NFL business executive and a former executive in the front

2707
02:19:10,560 --> 02:19:12,480
Speaker 1: office of the Green Bay Packers. We talked with Andrew

2708
02:19:12,480 --> 02:19:16,600
Speaker 1: Brand about a variety of topics, including the allegations made

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Speaker 1: by other by people against the Bills, Leshaun McCoy. We

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Speaker 1: asked Andrew Brand to give us an assessment on where

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Speaker 1: he think the Buffalo Bills might be and where they

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Speaker 1: should go in the near future with the McCoy allegations.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said. You have to point of contact

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Speaker 1: the agent. Agents gonna tell you what they hopefully have

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Speaker 1: a good relationship. You can work through it. Whether a

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Speaker 1: coach or a player personnel guy or a physician coach

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Speaker 1: gets in touch with the player, that tends to be

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Speaker 1: the relationship there. But you want to get all the

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Speaker 1: information you can. And Drew and LaShaun may not want

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Speaker 1: to give you all the information, so it is a

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Speaker 1: bit tense, you know. Then you look down the road

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Speaker 1: a potential discipline, does it come from the Bills, come

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Speaker 1: from the league? Seems like these teams all defer to

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Speaker 1: Roger right now that he's the one given out all

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Speaker 1: the disciplines that we'll see how that works out again.

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Speaker 1: No new details that we can tell today about McCoy's situation.

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Speaker 1: No police report filed. I don't know where it's going.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it at the top of the show,

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Speaker 1: when throughout the show we're just kind of on hold

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Speaker 1: until this thing sorts itself out. The Bills are on hold,

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Speaker 1: The Bill's movement is on hold, as Andrew said, Steve

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Speaker 1: Andrew Brandt said, you know, the Bills have the option

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Speaker 1: to be proactive when it comes to punishment. If there

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Speaker 1: needs to be some sort of punishment here, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to wait for Roger Goodell. You can a team

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Speaker 1: can issue a suspension. Maybe that's the way they go,

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the best way to go. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills don't know. They have yet to say

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Speaker 1: what their plan is or what they know about it.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and his connection. There's no connection been made

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Speaker 1: except that his relationship with the girl and some of

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Speaker 1: the circumstances that surrounded the home invasion. And this is

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Speaker 1: as it ever goes. It's gonna be up to the

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Speaker 1: to the team in the league to decide what that

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Speaker 1: means to his future as a part of the part

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Speaker 1: of the organization and part of the NFL. So we'll

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Speaker 1: stay tuned in on that, right, all of us will,

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Speaker 1: and we'll find out. I'm sure there's gonna be some

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Speaker 1: substantia where I was thinking about this today, Steve Um.

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Speaker 1: If you're an NFL reporter, a national NFL reporter, this

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Speaker 1: is a national NFL figure with Sean McCoy and a

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Speaker 1: big story in a quiet time. I'm sure there's a

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Speaker 1: very many reporters going after details on this, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think it will have to wait too too long

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Speaker 1: to get a sense of what may have gone on here, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big story at a time

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Speaker 1: when there's well we want that. We would love to

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Speaker 1: have the answers to all these questions and all the innuendos,

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Speaker 1: innuendo and the Twitter reaction and all of that. We

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Speaker 1: love to have answers to put forth and we just don't.

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Speaker 1: And that's the frustrating point. And we're not going to speculate,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna wait and see, and um, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we'll talk more about it. Unfortunately in the days and

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Speaker 1: weeks ahead, tomorrow's show looks like it's shipping up to

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Speaker 1: be pretty good. We've got a young man named Luke

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Speaker 1: Tasker on the show with us Steve soun Luke. He

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Speaker 1: plays for the Hamilton Tiger Cats in the CFL. How

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Speaker 1: many years are the CFL for lucas? This is sixth

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Speaker 1: year they're they're on a bye week? How old is

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Speaker 1: Luke twenty seven? Little panics that in the twenty seven

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Speaker 1: year old Luke Tasker Easter roa a native he would

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Speaker 1: be I would think, Uh, the most notable receiver on

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Speaker 1: the tie Cats roster is that right? Brandon Banks is

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Speaker 1: one of their guys. Terrence Tollifer as another guy. Guys

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Speaker 1: who have had a cup of coffee in the NFL

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Speaker 1: as well, bye week, they're what three and one? They're

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Speaker 1: two and two, two and two and playing better than

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Speaker 1: people playing very much. They're playing really good football right now.

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Speaker 1: They lost to a couple of really tough teams on

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Speaker 1: the road, big road trips out West, and they're they're playing.

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Speaker 1: They lost a couple of close games and have won

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Speaker 1: some really convincing ones, so it's it's been a fun

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Speaker 1: team to watch so far. So Luke will be on

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Speaker 1: with us tomorrow at one o'clock and then coming up

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Speaker 1: at two one of our favorites, Lorenzo Alexander with the lowdown.

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Speaker 1: I believe Lorenzo is going to join us from his

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Speaker 1: offseason and outpost in Scottsdale, Arizona, where I read something

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Speaker 1: on Twitter he has been working out, so I want

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Speaker 1: to ask him about this. Sounds like he's got a

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Speaker 1: new workout partner or maybe a trainer that he's working

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Speaker 1: with on his own out there in Scottsdale. Lorenzo was

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Speaker 1: a is a physical freak in a physical marvel. You

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Speaker 1: were here when I asked him about the break. You know,

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Speaker 1: when minicamp ended before the training camp began, do you

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Speaker 1: slack off a little bit as far as you're in

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Speaker 1: nutrition regiment? He goes, oh, no, oh, no, it's on now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is a freak, and which is why

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Speaker 1: he's still playing at age what thirty five? It's still

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Speaker 1: playing thirty five, and it's at a position that is

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Speaker 1: way different than the one he began. Yeah, I've talked

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Speaker 1: about him at length about how he went from three

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Speaker 1: to fifteen down to two forty and I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you do that. That's I and go

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Speaker 1: to Pro Bowls and go to Pro Bowls after you

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Speaker 1: make that change, that transformation. It's unbelievable. Lorenzo Beyond with

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Speaker 1: us tomorrow at two o'clock. I want to thank our

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Speaker 1: production assistance. George Blast is not even here. Why is

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Speaker 1: he on my list? Jeff Coltonick, Oh, George, we love you,

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Speaker 1: but you know, show for work. Jeff Coltnick Thomas, Honald Er,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Rude, JJ Turito, Kevin Kargis and James robol Our

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Speaker 1: producer Jay Harris back with another show tomorrow, twelve noon,

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