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Speaker 1: This is the Fantasy best Friends Forever here on the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Sports where a network alongside for Reggie Stample, I
Speaker 1: am Greg Sauceman. What's going on? How much? Greggy? How
Speaker 1: are you doing? All is well? All is well? Tuesday?
Speaker 1: You enjoyed the Colts and the Ravens last night? I
Speaker 1: didn't watch any of it. Did you enjoy Monday Night? Raw? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not really? No? Um, you have to point in your
Speaker 1: life where you enjoy anything. Give you honest with you.
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of programming last night, none of
Speaker 1: which I liked. Like I watched Judy had on Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise that wasn't very enjoyable. Yeah, that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 1: Do you do the whole fantasy bachelor thing or no?
Speaker 1: Have you ever done it? I haven't. I should I
Speaker 1: think maybe next year? Surprising you don't agree? Agree now,
Speaker 1: especially now that I live with Judy. I do you
Speaker 1: think I would do it? Um? So? No, didn't do that?
Speaker 1: So then I started. I watched last week's better Call
Speaker 1: Saul because I was not the date. So I watched
Speaker 1: the last week's disagreeable Bona not excellent. It's actually you
Speaker 1: caught up? Oh I didn't get caught up. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch last nights. I watched last week. I don't worry.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Kind of boring. I need to figure out
Speaker 1: where I am in that show right now, because honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I feel like I think I watched
Speaker 1: the first two seasons. What are we up to now?
Speaker 1: Like I think it's good? This is season four? I
Speaker 1: think live on TV right now? Right now? Did they
Speaker 1: put season three on Netflix yet? I don't know a
Speaker 1: good question, like that's what I haven't watched yet. I
Speaker 1: just watched it when it goes on Netflix. But I think,
Speaker 1: but what did you think of last week's episode? Did
Speaker 1: you find it boring as well? Um? Bits and pieces
Speaker 1: of it are boring, but really better call Saul is
Speaker 1: just a more boring kind of Duller show than Breaking Bad.
Speaker 1: That's probably the issue I think you have is that
Speaker 1: if you're like me, I absolutely adore Breaking Bad because
Speaker 1: it was always just we're ordering loss for lunch. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: seriously though we are. Do you want it? Yes? All right,
Speaker 1: so we'll have two people. All right, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that off the air. Um if if it's open now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, um, but that's one thing, right. So
Speaker 1: then I fell asleep through with some pieces and again
Speaker 1: it was a long day. We worked very hard yesterday
Speaker 1: Frankie and I, UM, and you know, I was in
Speaker 1: and out and then I was like, alright, perfect, don't
Speaker 1: with that, and now I'll start raw and fest forward
Speaker 1: through a lots like this is boring, boring, boring, boring, boring,
Speaker 1: And then Judy's done with bast in Paradise. Like ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, we gotta watch last week's Sharp
Speaker 1: or last night Sunday Night's Sharp Objects because we're watching that,
Speaker 1: you know what, boring, boring? One more episode after of that.
Speaker 1: So we finished that. It's now eleven seventeen. I have
Speaker 1: like the last forty minutes of Raw, which takes me
Speaker 1: about five minutes to watch. Um, so I did that.
Speaker 1: I hated it. It's now eleven five and the night
Speaker 1: time to go to bed, and that was my night.
Speaker 1: Greg Man, Dude, no pleasing this guy? Did you want?
Speaker 1: Did you watch Danna Broka? There's no, there's no pleasing
Speaker 1: you would if you watch it wouldn't be please light there.
Speaker 1: I was actually watching the Ravings and Colts. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: forgot that. He was just which boring? How is Jason?
Speaker 1: How is Jason wentten? He it's going to be a
Speaker 1: learning process. He's not terrible. Roma He's not terrible. He's
Speaker 1: not Tony Romo yet. He can probably get there. But
Speaker 1: he hasn't been terrible to start. I think he's had
Speaker 1: a good start. I think he's going to continue to
Speaker 1: get better as a season goes on. Luger McFarland is
Speaker 1: killing it. He's been great the sidelines and the thinking.
Speaker 1: That's really better than Tony Saragosa because Goose was terrible. No,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, then he's definitely. I don't I don't really
Speaker 1: remember now Boogers killing it. What's unique about it is
Speaker 1: that he can really chime into the booth whenever he
Speaker 1: wants from the sideline right of course. Thing he started it,
Speaker 1: it was just that's like unique to me. They didn't
Speaker 1: do that before on Monday Night Football. It would always
Speaker 1: just be Grouden and Tarko and then Sean McDonough um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is like, this is newer to me.
Speaker 1: So they had Saragosa doing it, but Saragosa was like
Speaker 1: terrible and they didn't provide any interesting analysis of any sort. Boogers.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, cool, I buy it. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: w That's what I was most excited about. I wish
Speaker 1: I remember it is on I would I would have
Speaker 1: checked it out. Um. So you know, last night's game,
Speaker 1: what's what's the doubt anything interesting? Alex Collins didn't play
Speaker 1: at all? Did you Flac of Blood Joe Flac who
Speaker 1: did play? Um, which I found very interesting and even today,
Speaker 1: like I'm you know me, I'm rapidly searching Twitter about
Speaker 1: Alex Collins because this is my guy. Like I'm all
Speaker 1: in on Alix Collins, Like I'm telling people to take
Speaker 1: him in the third round of draft. There's three scenarios
Speaker 1: that are possible right now with Alex Collins. Either he
Speaker 1: is so firmly interested as their starter that they just
Speaker 1: didn't feel the need to play him at all in
Speaker 1: this game. B it was some kind of disciplinary action
Speaker 1: for something he did or see he's dealing with some
Speaker 1: kind of injury that no one knows about, and that's
Speaker 1: why he didn't play. Has he been practicing. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything about an injury or any disciplinary actions, so
Speaker 1: she's probably reacting. Probably probably just sad. Like you know,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to everyone's talking of connaddiction because he
Speaker 1: ran well last night, six for thirty two yards. He
Speaker 1: also had three receptions for twenty four yards. But before
Speaker 1: to be fair, Buck Allen looked okay in his limited
Speaker 1: action to could just be the Cold's defense. Absolutely terrible,
Speaker 1: but it was nice to see Kenneth Dixon do his
Speaker 1: thing after all the injuries that he's battled. Um, assuming
Speaker 1: that this isn't disciplinary or injury related, I think Alex
Speaker 1: Collins is firmly entrenched as their starter. If you want
Speaker 1: to handcuff one guy. If anything were to happen to
Speaker 1: Alex Collins, I think it would just be Kenneth Dixon
Speaker 1: on early downs, right, And I've said this, and I
Speaker 1: think it would be fuck Alan in the passing game.
Speaker 1: How many times did you go onto Twitter today and
Speaker 1: rode in Alex Collins. I did it at least three
Speaker 1: times on the bus today. Maybe I was. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of nervous about this, but I haven't been able to
Speaker 1: find anything. So I think it's a good thing. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's a good sign. On the other side,
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck did not look good. Grady, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I was reading about. He wouldn't like it. Looks very rusty,
Speaker 1: and I look, I think we should expect that him,
Speaker 1: you know, not playing at all last season, hasn't played
Speaker 1: a game since, um it was a January one, twenties six,
Speaker 1: twenty seventy, certainly I guess when seventeen, but yeah, January one.
Speaker 1: That was the last game he played January one. He's
Speaker 1: sixteen whatever, it's been a long time. It's been a
Speaker 1: long time. But he looks very rusty. Had a really,
Speaker 1: really bad interception in the red zone yesterday. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to lower him in my rankings. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how far to lower him. What he
Speaker 1: could get off to a slow start. He's rusty. Of
Speaker 1: course he's gonna a slow start into the regular season
Speaker 1: affect your fantasy team. So that being said, you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta rank him accordingly. But I don't think like
Speaker 1: this isn't do anyone really think Andrew loves is just
Speaker 1: gonna walk back onto the field and be like the
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. No, but you want to start to see
Speaker 1: encouraging signs. I feel like we haven't seen anything in
Speaker 1: the preseason yet that looks really great at him at
Speaker 1: in the past of twenty plus yards on the field yet,
Speaker 1: So that's very interesting to me. Like the fact that
Speaker 1: he played one series last week. Okay, cool, I don't care.
Speaker 1: But at half last yesterday, so he played in the
Speaker 1: second quarter yesterday. Fine, you think he's bearings, took a sack.
Speaker 1: That was good to me. They're not attempting to pass
Speaker 1: over twenty yards. What scares me that he's afraid to
Speaker 1: unleash the ball like in a controlled setting in practice. Fine,
Speaker 1: he knows he's not gonna get hit, he'd launch it here.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different and and that's kind of scary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm thinking I've moved him behind Deshaun Watson. Now,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not really a Watson guy, but
Speaker 1: by all accounts, he looks healthy. He had a fine
Speaker 1: second preseason game. He threw a touchdown to Bruce Ellington.
Speaker 1: So I've moved uh Andrew Luck behind him, and I'm
Speaker 1: kind of wrestling with the thought of whether i should
Speaker 1: move him behind Kirk Cousins Andrew Brees. I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: this play out again this week. See what happens in
Speaker 1: the third preseason game. As far as the Colts rushing attack,
Speaker 1: nobody really looked great here. And then he behinds Funneble
Speaker 1: the opening kickoffs. Four fumbles through two games. Jordan Wilkins
Speaker 1: fumbled on the goal line. That was terrible, and christ
Speaker 1: and Michael started. So life is good. There you go,
Speaker 1: And we still don't know what the deal is with
Speaker 1: Marlon mack as he's battling in dree The one good
Speaker 1: thing about Jordan Wilkins is that they trusted him enough
Speaker 1: to give him a goal line carry. But it just
Speaker 1: sucks that he fumbled it, which they did recover for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. But that's not what you want to see.
Speaker 1: He's in a soft fumble. What is it a soft fumble.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Like soft? Pumbe was like a
Speaker 1: guy just wouldn't like takes his hand, just like patch
Speaker 1: the ball. No, So he was being like gang tackled
Speaker 1: by three dudes and you're trying to fight through contacted out.
Speaker 1: That's okay, doesn't bother man. He was like, you're just
Speaker 1: fighting for extra yards and they just they were just
Speaker 1: three eyes ripping in. Yeah, okay with that, Okay with that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of running backs at the goal line, I do
Speaker 1: think before we get into the wide receivers and we'll
Speaker 1: go all wide receivers, heavy, all heavy, all the way through.
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson size of the Redskins. Yesterday, Jamal Charles was
Speaker 1: in for a tryout Orleans dark One wasn't for a tryout.
Speaker 1: Surprised dark One I didn't get an opportunity instead of
Speaker 1: goos to ap ap quite obviously a bigger name at
Speaker 1: this point than game. Played well and limited action for
Speaker 1: the Cardinals until he wore down. Obviously was nothing with
Speaker 1: the Saints. I have to imagine they're signing a p
Speaker 1: they're going to give him the opportunity to succeed here. Frank, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you would imagine, right, like, why would they
Speaker 1: sign Adrian Peterson. You know, if they really liked Rob
Speaker 1: Kelly and they liked their early down running back situation,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have went out and signed Adrian Peterson. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, Rob Kelly didn't look terrible in his game
Speaker 1: against the Jets in the second preseason game. I think
Speaker 1: he's looking more like a fit Rob Kelly rather than
Speaker 1: a fat Rob Kelly. But I guess the Washington football
Speaker 1: team did not feel the same, so they went out
Speaker 1: and signed Adrian Peterson. And I mentioned this to you downstairs,
Speaker 1: Greg Is, I don't think you go out and sign
Speaker 1: this guy unless you're gonna play him. At his age,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to just bring him into what be
Speaker 1: a goal line back. And I think he has enough
Speaker 1: money that he doesn't sign if he's not getting the
Speaker 1: workload I would think. So I moved him up to
Speaker 1: running back forty five in my standard rankings. That's a
Speaker 1: whole the whole slew of like that tears like handcuff
Speaker 1: running back like Latavious Murray, pass catching running backs in
Speaker 1: the standard, which is like you don't really love pass
Speaker 1: catching running backs and standard, So I moved them up
Speaker 1: there just because I think he'll be like a running
Speaker 1: back four running back five that is going to be
Speaker 1: touchdown dependent. Maybe he gets like ten to twelve touches
Speaker 1: a week. I don't feel great about him by any means,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like we should have mentioned him
Speaker 1: because he signed and he probably will have some value,
Speaker 1: albeit not that much. Yeah, I think Adrian Peter. Would
Speaker 1: you rather have Adrian Peterson than any other running back
Speaker 1: in Washington outside Christ Thompson? Yes, okay, I'd rather own
Speaker 1: him than Rob Kelly. Would you drop Rob Kelly for AP?
Speaker 1: I guess the answer is yes. He just said that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in leagues where I've already drafted the Scott fishball,
Speaker 1: I have Darius Guys. I've already put in a claim
Speaker 1: to pick up Adrian Peterson. We had our first waiver
Speaker 1: run in my auction yesterday. I was fast. I don't
Speaker 1: wait around. I mean, normally the draft happens. You wait
Speaker 1: until like maybe the preseason ends and any start waivers.
Speaker 1: Great now waivers ran. Now it's first come, first server alive.
Speaker 1: How many people are going to blow their fab before
Speaker 1: the season. You can start so far, so far. Your
Speaker 1: buddy Max, who doesn't believe in fab but he just
Speaker 1: like whatever, it's stupid he has spent I think no,
Speaker 1: he spent seven on Taiwan Taylor bad Bye, and I
Speaker 1: guess he he also picked up something else. I thought, Max,
Speaker 1: what does it mean to not believe in FAB or
Speaker 1: not care about it? Yeah, he spent thirteen dollars. He
Speaker 1: spent seven on Taylor and six dollars in Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 1: What does that mean though? What does that mean to
Speaker 1: not care about fab? Like he doesn't care if he
Speaker 1: doesn't have any fab by like week four? Probably not
Speaker 1: a good strategy. The strategy believes it's okay. He don't
Speaker 1: like your hair. Tried to do it a little bit better,
Speaker 1: specifically for Max. It was good yesterday for our shows.
Speaker 1: I thought, I appreciate that, Greig. I'm gonna and for
Speaker 1: those wondering about me, I'll get a hair cut at
Speaker 1: some point, I promise. I really do think that you
Speaker 1: should start to do more of like a fox hawk
Speaker 1: to like remember Nono Dafino. But eight four four eight
Speaker 1: four three six eight seven nine look at a goose
Speaker 1: in Cali. What's going on? Goose? Hello? What's up? Man? Hey?
Speaker 1: I're going um so? I had two questions, but I
Speaker 1: get to the second on if they have time. UM,
Speaker 1: the Minnesota offensive line and Dallas offensive line. I know
Speaker 1: there UM going through some injuries. I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you guys had any information about that. Yeah. Yeah, Minnesota
Speaker 1: has been decimated. Dallas has been decimated UM as well,
Speaker 1: and their first round center looks look terrible. It looks
Speaker 1: like Zach Martin is gonna be back. Oh, Carolina also decimated.
Speaker 1: Are At Khalil now getting checked out for the Panthers.
Speaker 1: While McCaffrey has killed it in the preseason. You have
Speaker 1: to imagine, you know, him, with his slider frame running
Speaker 1: behind that offensive line, it might actually affect him. So
Speaker 1: the obvious questions, has this affec Christi, McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook and their draft stock if it does at all,
Speaker 1: I haven't changed anything accordingly. I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: is something worth monitoring, and we appreciate the call. I
Speaker 1: think it's something that we, you know, we should bring up. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But again, I'll always go back to the stat that
Speaker 1: I mentioned when we started talking about running backs last year,
Speaker 1: six of the twelve um RB ones average four point
Speaker 1: zero yards per carry or less. The reason why they
Speaker 1: were rb Ones is because of volume. So again you know,
Speaker 1: volume trump's efficiency when it comes to workhorse running backs.
Speaker 1: And that's what I do believe Ezekiel Elliott and Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook to be uh much more faith in Ezekiel Elliott. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know he could touch the ball four hundred times
Speaker 1: this year, even if he averages in the low four
Speaker 1: yards per carry um, just based on how many times
Speaker 1: he's going to touch the ball, I think he's easily
Speaker 1: a top five running back this year. And then Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: You know we mentioned the offensive line last week, even
Speaker 1: you know, before these injuries, is that it really doesn't
Speaker 1: look like a great offensive line coming in now year.
Speaker 1: But I do think just based on the volume I
Speaker 1: mentioned last year that they had even after the Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook injury, I believe it was what like it was
Speaker 1: over thirty touches per game for both Latavius Murray and
Speaker 1: Jerk mckinnons. So I still think Dalvin Cook is going
Speaker 1: to be in that No. Sixteen team may be close
Speaker 1: to twenty touches per game range, while with Tevis Murray
Speaker 1: gets his eight to ten, and I think that's perfectly
Speaker 1: fine for Dalvin Cook where he's being drafted at the
Speaker 1: you know, the one to turn at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round, four three, six at seven nine. Let's
Speaker 1: hit up Dylan in North Carolina. What's going on? Dylan?
Speaker 1: Hey guys, just have a quick question for you guys. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be quick, but um,
Speaker 1: if I can go over my roster right quick. UM.
Speaker 1: I just had a draft this past weekend. I have
Speaker 1: Stafford Barkley, c mc allen Robinson, Marvin Jones Jr. Jared Cook,
Speaker 1: Alex Collins. UM in my bench. I have Ingram Bris,
Speaker 1: Shot Penny Calvin, Benjamin Probably Anderson, Cameron Meredith, and Marcus Mariotta. Um,
Speaker 1: this is a twelve team half point ppr UM. I
Speaker 1: had a trade offer. UM, I was the last person
Speaker 1: to pick a tight end with Jared Cook. Not too
Speaker 1: happy with that. UM, so I would be sending away
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Meredith and Jared Cook for Roy Spreeman, Kyle
Speaker 1: Rudolph and Josh Gordon. I just wanted y'all's opinion on that,
Speaker 1: Thank you. What do you think it was? It was CMC,
Speaker 1: Jared Cook and who was the other player you were
Speaker 1: going up? Can Meredith and who do you get in
Speaker 1: return Roy Spreeman, Kyle Rudolph and Josh Gordon. M My
Speaker 1: initial answer was to take this deal. It's tough to
Speaker 1: give up CMC based on what he's done in the preseason,
Speaker 1: especially if you believe he's going to be that workhorse
Speaker 1: running back that North Turner usually employs in his offenses.
Speaker 1: But I think to get Kyle Rudolph, who is a
Speaker 1: bona fide top eight tight end, maybe has upside to
Speaker 1: be even better. Josh Gordon, I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: much better than Can Meredith this year. It's risky, but
Speaker 1: you get that solid RB two and return in Roy
Speaker 1: s Freeman. I'm taking this trade. I'm doing it. Gregor, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it too. I think you have major upgrades
Speaker 1: at the tight end position. I think you needed a
Speaker 1: wide receiver with high upside. You get that in Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon and Roy Streeman, who knows what he can be.
Speaker 1: SE's a lot to give up. That's the main piece
Speaker 1: we're giving up here. I think you have to do
Speaker 1: it all right. When we come back your first and
Speaker 1: second round wide receivers, what's our order? Where are our rankings?
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Speaker 1: you have the wide receivers. The stand of the day
Speaker 1: has to do with your boy Davante Adams Gregg. In
Speaker 1: the last two seasons that Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: were both healthy together. That's shorty finished as wide receiver
Speaker 1: one and wide receiver three overall, respectively. Is Davanta Adams
Speaker 1: underrated as wide receivers seven off the board right now?
Speaker 1: And I think it's a great question, just crazy. It's
Speaker 1: crazy to say because he's going in the second round,
Speaker 1: but based on where the top target finishes with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Davante Adams could be a top
Speaker 1: five wide receiver, maybe even better than that. There's definitely
Speaker 1: a chance. And as I look at my eighteen wide
Speaker 1: receiver rankings, I haven't ranked seventh rank wide receiver. That's
Speaker 1: exactly where he's being drafted off the board. Break there
Speaker 1: you go, man, DeVante Adams, alright, number one. I don't
Speaker 1: there's not we talked before and we've broken into like
Speaker 1: twos or whatnot um with the running backs Girly and
Speaker 1: Bell and then is he David Johnson. I don't think
Speaker 1: you could necessarily do that with the wide receivers because
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's one. That's it. There's Antonio Brown, there's everybody else.
Speaker 1: I have, I have like a top four tier. But honestly,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to make Antonio Brown his own tier.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with it Brown. Still, I believe
Speaker 1: it has that injured calf, but I think he returned
Speaker 1: to practice on Sunday. Fantastic. There you go, so I
Speaker 1: don't worry about that anymore. In terms of points per game,
Speaker 1: he's finished. These are his past five year finishes and
Speaker 1: points per game and half PPR wide receiver one one, one,
Speaker 1: two seven. That's his last five years. During that span
Speaker 1: five stret years of a hundred plus receptions each year
Speaker 1: is average season. A hundred and sixteen receptions on a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one targets, fifteen seventy yards end point
Speaker 1: four touchdowns per year over the last five years. That's
Speaker 1: is average season. He's pretty good, pretty good day. So
Speaker 1: after that, I feel like I know where he's going.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like this, but at least when we have
Speaker 1: talked Frank, it seems like people are not forgetting about
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, but I think forgetting just how stupidly good
Speaker 1: he is. We have talked quite a bit about it's
Speaker 1: crazy Antonio Brown younger than me about the life. Um, well, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're like fifty. All the wide receivers are younger than you,
Speaker 1: even Lyon Fitzgerald. It's true, but that's not true. It's
Speaker 1: actually you're just like, yeah, I'm buying it. At this point,
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Julio Jones when we mentioned
Speaker 1: Odell Becka when it comes to his contract and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I feel like people are kind of glossing over
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, like Hopkins is still a number two wide
Speaker 1: receiver off the board, but there it's was this like
Speaker 1: assumed thing. I want to make people realize why, because
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is stupid good and he's never had a
Speaker 1: quarterback and when he did for like that breet moment
Speaker 1: last year with Deshaun Watson, it was sickly amazing. Shaun
Speaker 1: Watson's back healthy. DeAndre Hopkins is back healthy. He is
Speaker 1: a freak of nature and also younger than me. DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins clearly for you the number two waters he wroth
Speaker 1: aboard he is clearly and I know some people are
Speaker 1: gonna lean towards Odell Beckham, but it's obvious that it
Speaker 1: was just brock Osweiler that crust DeAndre hopkins value. Last
Speaker 1: year he played I think it was five six games
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson, even in the games without Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: even with Tom Savage. The guy was worlds better than
Speaker 1: he was two years ago when he finished as the
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty eight in points per game. In the
Speaker 1: past the two years that he's had at least a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four targets. Again, this guy, he's a
Speaker 1: volume play, but I think he's gonna have that volume
Speaker 1: once again this year. Greg He's been wide receiver two
Speaker 1: in points per game, last year, wide receiver five in
Speaker 1: points per game. In his average season in the two years,
Speaker 1: over seventy targets, one three receptions, fourteen forty nine yards,
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns. So you know, you might actually say that
Speaker 1: he is a lot to score more touchdowns than Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: But the safety of the floor and the reception and
Speaker 1: yard pace I think favors all Antonio Brown. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if DeAndre Hopkins once again scores more
Speaker 1: touchdowns than Antonio Brown. Last year, twenty four end zone
Speaker 1: targets was third among wide receiver. And again, he's incredibly durable.
Speaker 1: He's only missed one game in his entire career. For
Speaker 1: all those reasons, I think it makes sense for him
Speaker 1: to be that wide receiver. To given, Odell Beckham has
Speaker 1: kind of not been all that durable. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of problems with the other guys. Odell Beckham, Julio Jones
Speaker 1: typically your three four. Julio Jones struggled in the red
Speaker 1: zone last year, struggled specifically in the end zone. Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham coming back from the injuries healthy now um, but
Speaker 1: he had the injury issue. DeAndre Hopkins doesn't struggle in
Speaker 1: the red zone, doesn't have the injury issue, and again
Speaker 1: a freak. And he's still very young too. I don't
Speaker 1: know that people realize how young DeAndre Hopkins really is.
Speaker 1: For you, Is DeAndre Hopkins another one of these clumps
Speaker 1: and guys. Is DeAndre Hopkins closer to Antonio Brown for
Speaker 1: you or closer to Odell Beckham to you? He is closer?
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think so too. That's why
Speaker 1: if it is the number one receiver last year and
Speaker 1: he's he's that good, and I hope I want people
Speaker 1: to remember that. Like I was looking at my draft
Speaker 1: board and as people now, I have eleven in my
Speaker 1: home league draft and we have seven this weekend. Oh
Speaker 1: just graz' um. So we have we have eleventh pick.
Speaker 1: I've eleven picked in my draft a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: And I had said previously, listen, if I had the
Speaker 1: choose between DeAndre Hopkins and O'Dell like Giants, Fani me
Speaker 1: is gonna go Odell. But maybe because I have that
Speaker 1: one share now, or I have two shares because um yea,
Speaker 1: I have two shares now, Odell, I think yeah, because
Speaker 1: I have the fish bowl. Um I've kind of got
Speaker 1: that fixed. And now it's like, the more I've looked
Speaker 1: into it and the more I've researched, my heart is
Speaker 1: not going to take over there. And DeAndre Hopkins is
Speaker 1: the play and DeAndre Hopkins is awesome, and the fact
Speaker 1: that he went for less money in my auction on Sunday,
Speaker 1: it's very cool for the person that got Todre Hopkins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, one of the questions you first
Speaker 1: asked when you brought up DeAndre Hopkins is he being
Speaker 1: overlooked a little bit? And I think you know, you
Speaker 1: see him fall a little bit in the first round
Speaker 1: because more and more people like that combination of getting
Speaker 1: the workhorse running back that you could get in the
Speaker 1: first round and impairing that with an elite wide receiver,
Speaker 1: one of these guys that we're gonna talk about going
Speaker 1: in the second round of drafts, like Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams. They just like that combination more so than
Speaker 1: taking a DeAndre Hopkins in the first and then whatever
Speaker 1: running back you get in the second, whether it's McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: Devanta Uh, Devantay Freeman, Jordan Howard. So they like that
Speaker 1: combination more. And honestly, I can't really argue it. But
Speaker 1: if you wanted to just take best player available, you
Speaker 1: could start DeAndre Hopkins in another wide receiver, but then
Speaker 1: you really have to piece together you're running backs later
Speaker 1: on in the draft hundred percent. And and we had
Speaker 1: I have said that watching the running backs fly off
Speaker 1: the auction and fly off our NONPVR draft a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Um, we saw florio did right. It's twelve.
Speaker 1: He ended up with Hopkins and Beam. Yeah, and at
Speaker 1: that point he had to he said, screw it, I
Speaker 1: have to take this opportunity. I have to take the
Speaker 1: best players available and I'll figure out the running backs.
Speaker 1: I actually thought Florida did a nice job overall figuring
Speaker 1: out those running backs. So Uh, that's a lesson that
Speaker 1: you could learn. We keep measuring Odell Beckham Jr. He
Speaker 1: is my third ranked wide receiver. UM. I want people
Speaker 1: to remember when he's on the field just how awesome
Speaker 1: he is. Uh. Last year, of course an anomaly. He
Speaker 1: was hurting training camp in a preseason game, doesn't play
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, comes back, never truly healthy,
Speaker 1: gets hurt two weeks after that. It was a weird
Speaker 1: season for Odell last year. UM, And I don't think
Speaker 1: we could. I think we could take it for a
Speaker 1: grain of salt. Basically. Yeah. I mentioned there are some
Speaker 1: durability concerns with Odell Beckham coming off the injury, but
Speaker 1: in terms of per game production, he has never finished
Speaker 1: lower than wide receiver five in terms of points per game. UM.
Speaker 1: Back in he was wide receiver one in points per game,
Speaker 1: then wide receiver three, wide receiver five. Last year he
Speaker 1: was wide receiver three in points per game. Again, that
Speaker 1: was only in four games, but during that four game
Speaker 1: stretch the average over ten targets per game. He's an
Speaker 1: absolute target monster. Four hundred nine targets in forty seven
Speaker 1: career games. That's ten point six targets per game. So
Speaker 1: you know absolutely on the volume will be there. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about se Kwon Barkley coming in as long
Speaker 1: as he's healthy. He is unquestionably the team's top target
Speaker 1: last year. In the four games that he played, came
Speaker 1: back against Detroit on Monday Night football, clearly was not
Speaker 1: fully healthy, only at four for thirty six. More of
Speaker 1: a decoy in that game. Uh. Six days later, um
Speaker 1: against the Philadelphia Eagles nine for seventy nine and two
Speaker 1: will take that. A week later against Tampa Bay seven
Speaker 1: for ninety and then a week later against the Chargers,
Speaker 1: a game that he got hurt in five for ninety
Speaker 1: seven and a touchdown. That was the Beckham that you expect.
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. Clearly to me the number three overall
Speaker 1: wide receiver on my board eight four four, four three
Speaker 1: seven nine. Before we gets number four, Let's go to
Speaker 1: Shawn in New York. What's up, Sean? What's up with guys? Uh?
Speaker 1: I just want to ask a couple of questions kind
Speaker 1: of similar. Um, so I got the number two pick
Speaker 1: in my draft. Um, should I go with Gurley or Zeke?
Speaker 1: You should go with ug Gurley? That's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that's we both project Girle and Bell one and two.
Speaker 1: What if Bell has gone one, you go with Girly.
Speaker 1: If Curly is gone one, you go Bell. And that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an agree instant, all right. And now my
Speaker 1: other PPO league, Um, would you go with David Johnson
Speaker 1: or Bell? And I know that you just said that
Speaker 1: you have the long time in the year that he
Speaker 1: did played yet more receiving yards and similar rushing yards,
Speaker 1: asked Bell. Plus they don't have a lot of targets
Speaker 1: with that Cardinals all tense, you should go with Levian Bell.
Speaker 1: Levian Bell is my number one ranked running back in PPR.
Speaker 1: He's ahead of Todd Gurley. He's pretty much a lock
Speaker 1: for seventy plus receptions and even the fact that he
Speaker 1: will not be back to the Seals after this season,
Speaker 1: they have absolutely no incentive to not give him four
Speaker 1: hundred touches this year. So I think that's a lock
Speaker 1: um based on that volume. I think the touchdowns come
Speaker 1: up a little bit this year as well. Don't think
Speaker 1: about it too much. It's it's Levian Bell in PPR.
Speaker 1: And then take Todd Gurley over zeke Um. In that
Speaker 1: league where you have the number two pick all right,
Speaker 1: at number of the number four wide receiver here, Frankie Snanville,
Speaker 1: I have it as Julio Jones, he's number four. I
Speaker 1: think there's a clear top four Julios in it. I
Speaker 1: said I wouldn't do this again. And the more you
Speaker 1: look into it, and the more you look at the
Speaker 1: game logging, more more you look at every wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Julio was better than all of them pretty much last year.
Speaker 1: You hope the redsidence targets go up. You hope the
Speaker 1: red dozen touches go up. You hope the red zone
Speaker 1: touchdowns go up. Julio Jones for me, including number four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's positive touchdown regression coming here. Four straight seasons of
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred plus receiving yards, and I'm not he doesn't
Speaker 1: even have to get to double digit touchdowns. If he
Speaker 1: were able to do that, he probably as the wide
Speaker 1: receiver one overall this year. But he doesn't even have to.
Speaker 1: If he just gives you six seven touchdowns, he's going
Speaker 1: to be firmly entrenched. As you know, a top five,
Speaker 1: maybe top three wide receiver last year, but he only
Speaker 1: had three top chowns and he still finished as the
Speaker 1: wide receiver eight in points per game UM one season ago.
Speaker 1: So you know, nineteen red zone targets. Last year, they
Speaker 1: said they were going to get him more involved in
Speaker 1: that part of the field. They absolutely did. He had
Speaker 1: more targets. He had just five receptions, though, so I
Speaker 1: think he needs to be UM a little bit more consistent. Uh.
Speaker 1: They have to get him better looks inside the red zone.
Speaker 1: Only five catches and nineteen targets is a twenty six
Speaker 1: point three percent catch rate. He's gonna be better than that.
Speaker 1: Fifteen end zone targets, just one touchdown inside the red zone.
Speaker 1: So I just think UM, based on those red zone targets,
Speaker 1: the end zone targets, the touchdowns absolutely are going to
Speaker 1: come up. I think the addition of Calvin Ridley being
Speaker 1: there as another wrinkle to this offense where Ridley probably
Speaker 1: takes away more targets from like Mohammed Sanou and Austin Hooper.
Speaker 1: I think, UM, Julio Jones still gets his, but I
Speaker 1: think the fact that Calvin Ridley is there and defenses
Speaker 1: just have to pay a little bit more attention to
Speaker 1: him ultimately helps. Julio Jones is here. Great. Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: one of these guys. I thinks doing undervalue, which I
Speaker 1: talked to him racial Berlin about Calvin Ridley and we
Speaker 1: had a question about it. I think he's been undervalue,
Speaker 1: like like, this is the guy that I I think
Speaker 1: that at least, like I want to think they signed
Speaker 1: that they drafted it early in the first round because
Speaker 1: they he's extremely talented. And people are talking about Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup and there, and they're talking about h. D J. Moore.
Speaker 1: I think more people need to talk about Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: I think where he's going in drafts is adequate. I
Speaker 1: think it makes sense right now. I think he's more
Speaker 1: of a best ball play. He's gonna have weeks where
Speaker 1: he pops off, but I think the consistency is just
Speaker 1: not going to be there. His team still has Mohammed Sanu.
Speaker 1: He is their possession receiver. I think he's still gonna
Speaker 1: get his targets as well. Uh and then Austin Hooper
Speaker 1: still does a little bit in the past game as well. Again,
Speaker 1: there will be big weeks for Calvin Ridley, but that's
Speaker 1: why he's a better best ball play in my opinion.
Speaker 1: You don't really know when those are going to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't really know that you could even count on
Speaker 1: him to be a bye week replacement? Would you trust
Speaker 1: getting Calvin Ridley in there? And as a bye week
Speaker 1: replacement if he's just a boom er bus kind of guy, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping by the time the bye week's calling, Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley is gonna be someone you can count on more.
Speaker 1: The chance that can happen, maybe he just overtakes Mohammed
Speaker 1: Sanu and is getting like six targets of games. So
Speaker 1: I think the idea that's the new moves to the slot.
Speaker 1: Calvirualley's really on the other side of Julio, and Julio's
Speaker 1: kind of attracting all of his attention on defense. Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley shows up and I think, Uh, people forget how
Speaker 1: good he was in college in Alabama. I know towards
Speaker 1: the end of his career it wasn't exactly all roses,
Speaker 1: but really was amazing. Dude, how many targets do you think?
Speaker 1: How many targets can you realistically get this year? Because like,
Speaker 1: is he gonna get more than eight? That's the thing.
Speaker 1: It kind of catches upside what you know, what I'd
Speaker 1: like to know and I can look at up right now,
Speaker 1: how many targets Julio had his rookie year. We know,
Speaker 1: um Juleo Jones in his rookie season had ninety five targets,
Speaker 1: so that is what that's the ideal spot. I think
Speaker 1: Julio only played thirteen games as a rookie also, and
Speaker 1: that was what Roddy White was a superstar. We said
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. Is not that Julio was
Speaker 1: on the down side of his career, um, but Roddy
Speaker 1: White was a bonified superstar with the Atlanta Falcons and
Speaker 1: the drafted Julio, so they have some of the other
Speaker 1: side who they wound up with ninety five targets, fifty
Speaker 1: four receptions, almost a thousand yards, and eight touchdowns. Now
Speaker 1: Calvin really a little bit smaller than Julio Jones and
Speaker 1: maybe not nearly as talented, but I think ninety five
Speaker 1: targets is a realistic expectation, especially because Juli only played
Speaker 1: thirteen games. So I will say ninety five targets is
Speaker 1: a fair expectation, and that would be pretty good from
Speaker 1: a rookie too. If he got ninety five targets, that
Speaker 1: would put him at just around six targets per game.
Speaker 1: And if that happens, then yes, you're right, he probably
Speaker 1: is a fair bye week replacement. But you know, maybe
Speaker 1: if he's more so in that you know, four or
Speaker 1: five targets a game, they really just target him for
Speaker 1: deep shots down the field, He's not going to have
Speaker 1: that much volume in terms of receptions. Maybe I just
Speaker 1: think he's more of like that decoy down the field
Speaker 1: that like takes attention away from Julio Jones. He's gonna
Speaker 1: hit on a few of those big targets every now
Speaker 1: and then. Um, but I just don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have the consistency that you're projecting right now. But you
Speaker 1: could certainly be right. Julio Jones' first season was eleven.
Speaker 1: That was Roddy Whites, aged thirty season. This is now
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, age twenty nine season. So they know what
Speaker 1: they're doing there in Atlanta. Just for the record, in
Speaker 1: that in that season, Um, in that season in two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven, Roddy White played also teen games. He had
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty targets, hundred and eighty targets, a
Speaker 1: hundred catches, nine six yards and eight touchdowns. So it's
Speaker 1: a totally different offense. And I completely understand that, but
Speaker 1: they drat the Calvin Ridley and and I can tell
Speaker 1: you this um that tomtf was the general manager there
Speaker 1: and he still is now. So ultimately, I think really
Speaker 1: is going to get more togets and people realized. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be around that hundred number. I think
Speaker 1: the yards will be there. I think touchdowns will be there. Also,
Speaker 1: I think cal really is a really nicely around flyer.
Speaker 1: So here's his path to getting those targets. Basically, Mohamed
Speaker 1: s Knew had ninety seven targets last year, Taylor Gabriel
Speaker 1: had fifty one. So basically you're swapping those. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: just imagining that, uh Mohammed san News. More so when
Speaker 1: that fifty to sixty target range and I haven't really
Speaker 1: stepping in and getting those, that's so crazy. It's not crazy.
Speaker 1: There is a path there for him to do it.
Speaker 1: How many targets Peerless Price had in two thousand and
Speaker 1: eleve I just maybe they're closer than that, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty forty range that we're imagining. Maybe it's like eight
Speaker 1: for Redley sev Maybe maybe so. And I think I'm
Speaker 1: closer to there than I am closer to a hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the upside of the calendar ridley
Speaker 1: could be Yeah. I mean playing alongside a guy like
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, like we've seen offenses have too Fantasy Vible
Speaker 1: wide receivers, It's certainly doable. Of course, was that a
Speaker 1: break here? When do we come back the earlier round
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Conversation continues Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen, Davante, Adams,
Speaker 1: E J. Green. That's it's here, But how do we
Speaker 1: order those guys? Frank and I will kind of break
Speaker 1: that down when we return. Those are the second round
Speaker 1: wide receivers, those all those inning round wide receivers. We'll
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Speaker 1: hy Alright, Franklin. The next year of wide receivers is
Speaker 1: where it really gets interesting. How do you break it down?
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, keenan All and Damote Adams and A. J. Green.
Speaker 1: For me, there's three guys and then one, and that's
Speaker 1: because I'm like super not high on the Bengals this year.
Speaker 1: I'll take the l if I'm wrong, but I just
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, don't like A J. Green. I don't
Speaker 1: like the Bengals. I'd rather invest in the Saints, the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and the Packers. That's why A. J. Green is last.
Speaker 1: That is my eighth ranked wide receiver this season. He
Speaker 1: is also the last of this tier as well. And
Speaker 1: if you look at his finishes in terms of points
Speaker 1: per game over the past few seasons, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: immense upside, but he has a very very safe floor.
Speaker 1: So I still unders stand why he goes in the
Speaker 1: second round. Here are his finishes and points per game
Speaker 1: the last five years. Wide receiver fourteen, White receiver six,
Speaker 1: wide receiver twelve, Wide receiver fourteen, Wide receiver five. Well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have him mens upside. Maybe he can't be
Speaker 1: a top three guy. He's never finished below wide receiver
Speaker 1: fourteen over the past five years. UM still saw of
Speaker 1: the Bengals target share third highest among wide receivers last season.
Speaker 1: UM I think part of the reason why he struggles
Speaker 1: to produce for fantasy is he hasn't scored many touchdowns
Speaker 1: in recent years. He's only been over twenty red zone
Speaker 1: targets once in that five year span, so we want
Speaker 1: to see him get more red zone targets. But you know,
Speaker 1: kind of similarly to the Falcons, that team has John
Speaker 1: Ross now on the other side of him. This is
Speaker 1: what we were expecting last year, is that John Ross
Speaker 1: can stretch the field, maybe take some defensive attention away
Speaker 1: from A J. Green. They're talking up Tyler Boyd, Tyler
Speaker 1: Eiffert is healthy or now in in the preseason, and
Speaker 1: then Joe Mixon UM should be able to help that
Speaker 1: out as well because defenses have to hopefully focus on
Speaker 1: the run an improved run games. So I think he's
Speaker 1: very safe in the second round. But I will admit
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has as much upside as
Speaker 1: these other guys going in this range. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think the other guys. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say A J. Green doesn't have the ability
Speaker 1: to the other guys due to finish as a top
Speaker 1: five wide receiver or top three wide receivers. I think
Speaker 1: he does. We've seen that before, Um, But I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of obsessed with the upside of UM.
Speaker 1: The other three players in this quartet, if you will,
Speaker 1: as A Green is the oldest of this group. May
Speaker 1: you're being a little agist here, I said yes. I
Speaker 1: said yes. They're in our Fandel programming. You'll see some
Speaker 1: of those videos live on our YouTube channel coding up
Speaker 1: later today. UM, but yeah, I think there. Agism is
Speaker 1: a thing, and I on both sides of it. What
Speaker 1: I want to pay heed to me is the cut
Speaker 1: off though, because right after a J Green you get
Speaker 1: into a whole group of Mike Evans. Stop. Let me
Speaker 1: stop you there, like he gets the cut off. A
Speaker 1: lot of people believe Mike Evans is the cut off,
Speaker 1: and they have Evans in this group. Why don't you.
Speaker 1: I think he is much more viable of volatile anything
Speaker 1: that we've seen out of these guys the past buple
Speaker 1: of years. Michael Thomas has finished wide receiver eight in
Speaker 1: terms of points per game each of the past two seasons.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen we finally so the upside last year hit
Speaker 1: him finishing inside the top five at wide receiver. UM.
Speaker 1: He's battled injuries in the past, but I think based
Speaker 1: on the fact that there are no tight ends there
Speaker 1: and the target volume that Keenan Allen got last year,
Speaker 1: I think that's why we trust him more. And then
Speaker 1: Davanta Adams playing with the arguably best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league right now in a very potent offense where I
Speaker 1: read the stat earlier, Jorty Nelson. The past two seasons
Speaker 1: he played healthy with Aaron Rodgers finished wide receiver one
Speaker 1: and wide receiver three, So we think there's a chance
Speaker 1: Davanta Adams to get there too. Mike Evans just last
Speaker 1: year finished wide receiver twenty and proved that he is
Speaker 1: purely volume dependent and he's not getting those on seventy
Speaker 1: plus targets anymore that he was getting just a few
Speaker 1: years ago. Because his catch rate isn't all that great.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick to start the year, they're
Speaker 1: not the most accurate quarterbacks um and Mike Evans normally
Speaker 1: sees a ton of defensive attention. We saw we thought
Speaker 1: that he would get more efficient last year. Ultimately it
Speaker 1: didn't really happen. So with the targets coming down, the
Speaker 1: efficiency not being great, Uh, he could probably score double
Speaker 1: digit touchdowns, but I don't think he has great reception
Speaker 1: uh and yard uh upside compared to other guys in
Speaker 1: the second round. I completely agree, ultimately with everything that
Speaker 1: you said, and I think that the the the upside
Speaker 1: is evident. This is why he was an early round
Speaker 1: pick last year. But volatile is a perfect word for
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, and I think we expected it to be
Speaker 1: this dominant player, almost DeAndre Hopkins, like I think in
Speaker 1: this offense, I think it's clear he's not DeAndre Hopkins. No,
Speaker 1: he's not that type. He is a physical freak for sure.
Speaker 1: He could go up, he can make the big catch,
Speaker 1: the contested catch, he could do his thing in the
Speaker 1: red zone. But to me, he's not as fast as
Speaker 1: these other guys. He doesn't run as crisp routes as
Speaker 1: these other guys. Maybe he doesn't have as strong hands
Speaker 1: as these other guys. You see like DeAndre Hopkins, Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown consistently making that circus, that freak catch, and
Speaker 1: I think Mike Evans could do it every now and again.
Speaker 1: I just think that he's in the same caliber of
Speaker 1: talent as those guys. And it's not a knock on
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. Those guys are just the best in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you in the world like that. It um
Speaker 1: so that means Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen, and DeVante Adams
Speaker 1: are all above Mike Evans and A. G. Green and
Speaker 1: they're in a tier as well. But for me, as
Speaker 1: clear as A G. Green was that he was the
Speaker 1: eighth rand wide receiver. For me, that's how clear it
Speaker 1: is that Michael Thomas's ranked number five five. The issues
Speaker 1: that you have with Demante Adams and Keenan Allen probably
Speaker 1: both injury related. Demante Adams had a ton of concussion
Speaker 1: issues and Keenan Allen, while we have already said, listen,
Speaker 1: he's not injury prone. The injury issues or creeping in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind. I'm not not scared off
Speaker 1: all the injury issues by Alan, but like they're there,
Speaker 1: it's it's a real thing. Michael Thomas doesn't have those.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have concussion issues, he doesn't have injury issues.
Speaker 1: He has that the Saints are gonna run the ball
Speaker 1: whole lot. Michael Thomas is the clear cut wide receiver one,
Speaker 1: and he improved by leaps and balance from his rookie
Speaker 1: year to you two. And I think that improvement continues
Speaker 1: in year three. UM, he is quiet. He's not one
Speaker 1: of these loud wide receivers like in Odell Beckham Jr. Um.
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily the physical freak of DeAndre Hopkins or
Speaker 1: Julio Jones. But he's just really, really damn good. And
Speaker 1: that's why Michael Thomas is my wide receiver. Five consistency, consistency,
Speaker 1: and more consistency out of Michael Thomas. I mentioned it
Speaker 1: in terms of points per game two years in a row,
Speaker 1: finishing as the wide receiver eight overall and half point
Speaker 1: PPR outside of DeAndre Hopkins. Last year, Michael Thomas was
Speaker 1: the most consistent wide receiver, finishing as a top twenty
Speaker 1: four wide receiver in seventy five percent of his games.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins did that in eighty one point three percent
Speaker 1: of his games. So Michael Thomas just really the second
Speaker 1: most consistent receiver behind DeAndre Hopkins and look Thomas touchdown
Speaker 1: regression positive regression is coming for him as well. We
Speaker 1: mentioned it with Drew Brees based on how many times
Speaker 1: Drew Brees threw the ball, which took a step back.
Speaker 1: The Saints passing volume absolutely took a step back in
Speaker 1: terms of volume but they still threw the ball a
Speaker 1: decent amount of the completion percentage incredibly high for Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: Yet he had just twenty three touchdowns based on how
Speaker 1: much he threw the ball and threw the ball inside
Speaker 1: of the red zone. Uh, and at the efficiency that
Speaker 1: he did, you have to imagine Threw Brees gets somewhere
Speaker 1: between twenty and thirty touchdowns. I have to imagine Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas is going to get at least two or three
Speaker 1: of those. So two years ago he had nine touchdowns
Speaker 1: on only a hundred and twenty one targets. Last year
Speaker 1: he came back, he only had five touchdowns on a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine targets. So if you look at
Speaker 1: that touchdown pace that he had with the targets who
Speaker 1: three years ago, if he just comes close to that,
Speaker 1: we're looking at eight to ten touchdowns this year out
Speaker 1: of Michael Thomas, and I think, unquestionably another one hundred
Speaker 1: catches over twelve yards. I said it last year and
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. I think Michael Thomas is the
Speaker 1: most talented wide receiver that Drew Brees has ever played with.
Speaker 1: And we're seeing that now. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: As good as Marcus Colston. Marques Colston was I think
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is better. And you're seeing Michael Thomas who
Speaker 1: is still extremely young. He's twenty five years old, um,
Speaker 1: and everything's going to get better. I think like him
Speaker 1: as a player. UM, I think that you know, receptions wise,
Speaker 1: he'll be at a hundred. I think yards wise will
Speaker 1: be certainly over a thousand of touchdowns. They're only going
Speaker 1: up only at five last year. He can do. I
Speaker 1: think it's realistic that he doubles that. Um. He's consistent.
Speaker 1: And people love Cam Meredith and they like Ted Gain,
Speaker 1: but there's o Jimmy Graham anymore. Is Brandon Cooks anymore,
Speaker 1: Ben Watson Greggy. It's Michael Thomas, and that is what
Speaker 1: makes him by far in my opinion, the number five.
Speaker 1: So Frank and I in order the same top five,
Speaker 1: we have the same eight nine? Do we have the
Speaker 1: same six seven? That's interesting and I've gone back and
Speaker 1: forth and I don't know the answer to this. When
Speaker 1: it comes to Keenan Allen Davante Adams. In our non PBR,
Speaker 1: I took Davante Adams over Keenan Allen. In a p BR,
Speaker 1: I think I would take Keenan Allen over Deamonte Adams
Speaker 1: in the half point, I have no idea I'd want
Speaker 1: the pick right after one of them go, so I
Speaker 1: could take the other one. That's how close they are
Speaker 1: for me, Frank, how do you bring it down Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen versus Davante Adams. I think what you said in
Speaker 1: terms of scoring format makes the most sense. In non PPR,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams unquestionably going to score more touchdowns and Keenan Allen.
Speaker 1: Danta Adams has twenty two receiving touchdowns over the past
Speaker 1: two years. Nobody in the NFL has more receiving touchdowns
Speaker 1: than that during that spand so I think now that
Speaker 1: you take Jordy Nelson out of the equation and Devanta
Speaker 1: Adams is the number one wide receiver, I think his
Speaker 1: floor is ten touchdowns. And I know it's hard to
Speaker 1: project touchdowns, but in this offense, as much as Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers throws the ball inside the red zone, as much
Speaker 1: as he targets wide receivers inside the red zone, I
Speaker 1: think Devanta Adams is as close to a lock for
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns as you can possibly get. Keenan Allen on
Speaker 1: the other side, I think you will see more volume
Speaker 1: in terms of targets. He will catch more of his
Speaker 1: targets than Davanta Adams. Um. So he to me is,
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred and fifty plus targets, a hundred receptions. Uh,
Speaker 1: He's gonna have more receptions and yards than Devanta Adams,
Speaker 1: but will not have nearly as many touchdowns. And with
Speaker 1: that being said, I think the touchdowns could actually come
Speaker 1: up because he had six touchdowns last year. He was
Speaker 1: second in the NFL in red zone targets. Aunter Henry
Speaker 1: is not there anymore. Antonio Gates will sign with this team.
Speaker 1: But those guys combine for twenty three red zone targets themselves,
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and Antonio Gates last season. So you give
Speaker 1: some of those to Keenan Allen, You give some of
Speaker 1: those to Mike Williams, who were all starting to love
Speaker 1: and talk up here as a sleeper for fantasy football.
Speaker 1: And I think Keenan Allen SE's more than six touchdowns
Speaker 1: this year. I think his combination of hundred receptions thirteen
Speaker 1: at least thirteen hundred yards, and I'd say at least
Speaker 1: seven or eight touchdowns. That combination, to me, is a
Speaker 1: little bit better than what we'll get out of Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: But I love Adams in this range as well for
Speaker 1: the reasons I mentioned in the stat of the Day specifically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really it's really, really hard. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think Keenan Allen touchdowns undoubtedly go up without Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry around, with without Antonio Gates around, I think that
Speaker 1: they'll rely on him more um in that green zone
Speaker 1: as they call it. Um. You know, he's a PPR monster.
Speaker 1: It's so hard between these two guys. Would you say,
Speaker 1: who are you more scared of when it comes to
Speaker 1: an injury, Keenan Allen Davanta Adams. It's a good question
Speaker 1: because Keenan Allen has the torn a c L in
Speaker 1: the past. He's He's dealt with a few nagging injuries,
Speaker 1: But Davontae Adams has the concussion scares as well. I
Speaker 1: think based on everything Dr A has told us about
Speaker 1: the science of injuries and how guys recover from a
Speaker 1: c LS nowadays, and you know, once you have multiple concussions,
Speaker 1: it's more likely for you to sustain a concussion. I
Speaker 1: think I'm more worried about Davanta Adams and I agree
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Speaker 1: After Mike Evans and after a J Green, I am
Speaker 1: injuring Mike Evans to me, there's a clear number ten
Speaker 1: and everybody has the same top ten, which is what
Speaker 1: order do you have it? And ours is the same order? Right?
Speaker 1: Not pretty much it is. I'm just gonna make Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham wider tim or two for fun to me number ten,
Speaker 1: it it's t Y Hilton, and he's creeping closer and
Speaker 1: closer to number nine with Mike Evans, especially with the
Speaker 1: health of Andrew Luck. Nolling Er a question. Sure where
Speaker 1: the talent is We talked about at the top of
Speaker 1: the show that talent, but his ability to get back
Speaker 1: to being Andrew Luck in the bill need to throw
Speaker 1: the ball deep. But for me, t Y Hilton, he
Speaker 1: looks healthy, even though he didn't play last night with
Speaker 1: a bit of an injury. Um, he seems okay. Luck
Speaker 1: seems okay. T Y Hilton, Uh rounds out of my
Speaker 1: top ten. Maybe we should be a little bit more
Speaker 1: worried about t Y Hilton. I think that Ryan Grant
Speaker 1: based on the fact that, uh, Andrew Luck is not
Speaker 1: throwing the ball downfield, and you know, we haven't really
Speaker 1: seen those guys connect much at all in the preseason
Speaker 1: UM and Throbs training camp, So maybe we should be
Speaker 1: lowering t Y Hilton a little bit more. I will
Speaker 1: say this that Ty Hilton's average season with Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: at quarterback over the last three that they've played together
Speaker 1: is eighty five receptions nearly yards and six touchdowns. That
Speaker 1: would have equated to around two hundred and ten Fantasy
Speaker 1: points and a half PPR last year. That would have
Speaker 1: been good enough to be wide receiver five overall in
Speaker 1: sen So that just tells you, you know what t
Speaker 1: Y Hilton's upside is. That's a reminder of it. But
Speaker 1: I think once you get into this range, like it
Speaker 1: starts to get worrisome, the Mike Evan t Y Hilton range.
Speaker 1: That's why you know people don't love the early pick
Speaker 1: all that much because then you have to take two
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers and you get one of those
Speaker 1: guys that your wide receiver one, whereas once you miss
Speaker 1: out on a J Green to me, Davante Adams km Nollen,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna love your wide receiver one. If that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Great, What do you think about I want
Speaker 1: to go to to this person's team right in my auction?
Speaker 1: What do you think about starting a team with Christian McKee?
Speaker 1: So this is basically what he did. He started with
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Stefon Diggs, and Mike Evans. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, okay, And those are his three
Speaker 1: best players. Those are three, I mean those are three
Speaker 1: best players. Now the other two wide receivers he has. UM,
Speaker 1: so he went as I went stars and scrubs obviously
Speaker 1: with Odell Um, with Odell Beckham, Antonio Brand and Joan Howard,
Speaker 1: and you said you like that a lot. Um he
Speaker 1: went with the more balanced approach Christian McCaffrey, Stefon Diggs,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Jarvis Landry, Marvin Jones. So he was able
Speaker 1: to get those four very very solid wide receivers, no
Speaker 1: super duper stars, no first round pick on this team. UM,
Speaker 1: two twos and three threes. Basically, what do you think?
Speaker 1: There are a lot of different ways to win. Me personally,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing an auction this year, I have to
Speaker 1: have one of those top A wide receivers. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: end up with one of those guys for sure, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna try and lock down a workhorse running
Speaker 1: back best as I could. And again, you can win
Speaker 1: taking a balance approach in auction. But me personally, while
Speaker 1: you know he has t Y Hilton and Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: so that makes you feel a little bit better about
Speaker 1: it because you have both of those guys inside your
Speaker 1: top ten so you know, if there's weeks where Mike
Speaker 1: Evan struggled a little bit, maybe t Y Hilton picks
Speaker 1: him up and vice versa. But personally, I need to
Speaker 1: have one of those topy wide receivers, especially an auction
Speaker 1: where I can control who I win. I think the
Speaker 1: problem with that team is he doesn't have a top
Speaker 1: eight wide receiver. It doesn't have an That's what's scary.
Speaker 1: That's what's scary. Uh, we're done. Fantasy Football Frenzy comes
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