WEBVTT - A Delicious Rhetorical Pretzel 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.240 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:10.360 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.480 Armstrong and Jetty and Hey. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:25.840 Armstrong and Yetty, everything from the war in Iran to 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.600 the Michael Jackson movie that made so much Moon money 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.280 over the weekend, to the shooting over the weekend and 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:32.960 everything else our own lives. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.000 Had another run in with a doctor over the weekend. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.200 That weird. Is it a California thing or a modern 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.600 thing or whatever? Anyway, talk about that later. But we're 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.320 big Ben SaaS fans around here. We have mentioned that 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.120 many times over the years. I think we interviewed I 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:50.360 know we interviewed him at least once. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.520 Yeah, And before we get to the incredible wisdom and 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.400 positive vibes of Ben Sass later on the hour, there's 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.840 going to be something to contrast with, which is the 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.360 casual embrace of hate and violence in the mainstream left. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.920 So stay tuned, won't you. Oh boy, we got to 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.960 get Noah Rothman on because he's got a book about 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.360 that and he's making the rounds right now from National Review. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.920 Ben Sass, I wish I'd known the guy. He's still alive, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.520 but he is dying of cancer, and he's a small 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.640 town Nebraska guy. I'm a small town Kansas guy, and 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.600 I just I wish I had known him because he's 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.000 absolutely amazing. He is. He is like what I picture 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.679 the founding fathers were probably like, if you listened to 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.440 them talk, Yeah, he'd have made a good founding father. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.360 I think yeah, well said yeah, and super smart guy, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.520 too good for politics. I was just I was watching 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.399 the interview last night, and I've thought this many times. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.000 I've listened to interviews with him, I've read stuff and 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.560 we talked to him, and just like, why can't we 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.320 have more people like this in our politics because they 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.760 won't take the job I guess most of the time, 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:58.800 where they won't say the things you need to say 0:01:58.800 --> 0:01:59.480 to get elected. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.040 I think it comes down to what does getting into 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.200 politics reward and what does it punish? And we get 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:12.400 the leader's public servants we deserve because our politics are perverse. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.240 I retweeted the Ben Sas interview from sixty minutes last night, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.920 saying everybody should watch it. Sarah Isger, who I really like, said, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.639 haven't seen a conversation like this intellectual, philosophical big picture 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.520 on TV? In decades. It's incredible. I would agree it 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.840 was incredible. Let's listen to some of it. Here's Ben SaaS, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.520 who's dying of pancreatic cancer, on sixty minutes last night. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.480 I love America, and I think there's a lot of 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.160 big and meaty things that we should have been talking 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.320 about and we still can talk about. And having a 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.120 terminal diagnosis, is it really that unique. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.880 We're all always on the clock. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.600 Some of us have the benefit maybe it's a weird word, 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.359 but the benefit of knowing our time is finite and defined. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.800 Then it becomes an opportunity to talk about bigger stuff. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.880 And you have focus from that. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:05.520 Yeah. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.200 I mean, it's weird to be in your early fifties 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.079 and get a terminal diagnosis and people all of a 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.360 sudden act like you're ninety three or ninety four and 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.079 you have a lot of wisdom. I don't know that 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.200 I have a lot of wisdom, but I have a 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.240 lot of things that I think we should be reflecting 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:19.800 on together. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.799 Oh, and he lays out some of them right here. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.079 Neither of these parties really have very big or good 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.000 ideas about twenty thirty or twenty fifty at a national 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.200 security level, at a future of work level, at an 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.600 institution building level. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.680 The Congress is not wrestling with bigger important questions right now. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.200 If Congress is looking at the wrong things, what is 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:41.720 it missing. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.880 We are living through a digital revolution, which is both 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.680 glorious and horrific at the same time, because what the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.120 digital revolution does is it accelerates almost everything about the 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.240 human experience. Anything that can be reduced to a series 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.480 of steps, which is most economic activity, is going to 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.600 be routinized and become really really cheap, really fast, and 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.280 really ubiquitous. We've never lived in a world where twenty 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.800 two year olds couldn't assume that the work they did 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.280 they would be able to do until death of retirement. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.920 And we're never going to have that world again. And 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.159 Congress doesn't talk about any of those kind of most 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.159 fundamental issues. The disruption of work for good and for 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.279 ill should be front and central. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.480 Congress doesn't even not to have that conversation. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:34.400 It's an enormous conversation. And the small libertarian in me 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.920 is concerned that Congress will respond by passing gigantic, expensive 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.599 government programs that will be rife with bloat and fraud. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.440 I had another point I was going to make. It 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:46.880 was actually more positive than that. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:52.440 Oh, but there should be thinking before the storm hits, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.120 in the same way that a lot of the world 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.839 health organizations and our health organizations thought a lot about 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.440 what if there was a giant pandemic, how should we 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.040 handle it? Then when it hit, they panicked and didn't 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:06.720 do any of the things they said they were going 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:07.800 to do, which. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:08.760 They should have stuck with. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.840 But a little planning, a little if this then that 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:18.279 I think would be really helpful before the AI ending 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.560 work as we know it thing really manifests. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:22.920 Let's start down the road of Ben Saz talking about 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.039 the role politics should play in our lives. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:26.720 What makes you a Republican. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:32.640 I'm a Republican because I think the Lincoln Reagan continuum 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.840 does the best job of building constraint on thinking. Washington 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.240 is our fundamental political community. I think your fundamental political 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.000 community is your neighborhood, in your city hall, and maybe 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:48.200 even your state legislature. And right now we are sacrificing 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.680 a lot of our national politics to weird folks who 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.039 want their main community to be their political tribe at 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.479 a federal level, and that should be like the ninth thing, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.640 or the fifteenth thing you care about, not the first 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:00.240 or secon. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.440 I would agree, weird folks. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.839 He goes on, It's no secret that the current president 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.320 and I wrestled on lots and lots of issues. But 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.840 I don't spend much time commenting on our current politics 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.560 because I don't really think our current politics are driving 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.760 what's happening. I think it's mostly an echo of what's happening. 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:26.080 I think we have really thin, shallow community right now, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.560 and unless people know the thickness of their local community, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.640 it's hard to make sense of what national politics are. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.120 For I think our national political dysfunction is an echo 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.000 of larger. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:41.800 Problems that's troubling and correct, I believe, and correct and 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.400 going to be hard to fix in the Internet era. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.159 Sin shallow connections to our communities that sounds about right. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.359 And feeling like really really strong connection to whoever is 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.200 president at the. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.920 Moment right, and the two camps becoming more and more 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.160 quasi religious too. In various ways, he got asked about 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.200 what's conservative or not. Oh, actually, this is a clip 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.279 they played from so Ben Sass was one of the 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:14.040 yes votes to remove Trump from office after January sixth, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.320 He was one of the Republicans that voted yes. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.920 Was there a total of six or seven? Seven? I 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:23.800 believe he voted yes to remove him, and he had 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.720 to explain to his Nebraska voters why he didn't think 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.800 a lot of the stuff Trump did was conservative. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:35.520 Here's some of that personality. Cults aren't conservative. Conspiracy theories 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.880 aren't conservative. Lying that an election has been stolen. It's 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:45.160 not conservative. Acting like politics as a religion, it isn't conservative. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.400 So I turned some of you off, I'm sure. And then, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:58.720 more importantly to me, his conversation about again people the 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.119 weird people that want to be in national office. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.680 Many senators I know would not be able to breathe 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:08.560 without that job. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.000 It would kill them to leave. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.520 I don't want what you said to be true, but 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.000 I fear that that is true, and that is a 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.840 sign of a much, much deeper problem. We got a 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.400 lot of people who serve in government who really do 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.880 think the highest and greatest thing you can ever do 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.839 is have the title senator or congressman. The best thing 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:41.960 you can do is be called dad or mom, lover, neighbor, friend, governor, senator. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.360 House member. It's a great way to serve. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.400 It should be your eleventh calling or maybe sixth, but 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:47.520 never top. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:55.640 Yeah, what do you do when your national sport is 0:08:55.920 --> 0:09:00.400 federal politics and your quasi religion. 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:01.239 Is federal politics? 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.280 And I can probably come up with a couple of 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.720 more metaphors because it's morphed into this weird way beyond 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.800 what politics were ever has been the thing. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.440 Yeah, so what what did you you said? Our national 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.120 religion and uh. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.080 And uh sports pastime. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.520 Yeah, our national pastime. It's our number one TV show. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.640 The number one TV show in America isn't entertainment Cosby 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:30.360 or Seinfeld. It's what did Trump do today? And how 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.320 we're the good mean things said about him? Yeah, yeah, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.640 so it's a it is our pastime, our entertainment. We 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.840 think the answer to all our problems comes out of Washington, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.600 d c. And specifically the president. Yeah, it's it's terrible. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.560 It is absolutely trouble and not the way it was designed. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.240 And I agree with Ben Sass that a lot of 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.959 the current weirdness we have in politics are a reflection 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.720 of that. Because again, later in the hour, we're going 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.520 to get to the casual embrace of like murderous violence 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.120 on the left and some of the things that have 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.240 been said recently, and you don't get there. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.040 That's not one step to get there. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.680 That's being way down a path that you suddenly embrace 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.319 somebody who says, we need to have these people's blood, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.959 blood running through the streets. We need to slaughter these 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.360 people people nodding their head. Yeah right, the whole radical 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:21.080 chic thing. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:22.160 Eh. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.400 I'm not sure where we go from here. We're not 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.280 going to play it here. But if you watch the interview, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.360 the last part of it is about him being a 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.120 very bensas, being a very devout Calvinist Reformed Church Calvinist guy, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.400 and him talking about what that means to him and 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.440 how he looks at death and dying through that lens 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.959 and all that sort of stuff. And then oh my god, 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.120 the stuff about not getting to walk his daughters down 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.280 the aisle or being there for his son when he's sixteen, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.080 eighteen twenty oof ooh. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.480 Trying to stay optimistic about that. Yeah, that was very, very, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.040 very heavy and emotional. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:05.240 At least that was something. But is there is there 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.240 any way we can break out of this? In the 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.360 Internet era, you don't raise money with interviews like that 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:18.640 as a politician. No, And I've got an extremely provocative 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.840 philosophical question for you. Do we have time, Yes, we do, ah. 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.679 In a time where mobs are running wild in the streets, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.440 will a Ben Sass be heard? 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:34.800 Can he be heard? 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:36.080 Or? 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.320 And I know a lot of my younger friends on 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.680 the right would say, look, I agree with him, But 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.840 if the Ben Sasses of the world, the political pacifists, 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.679 will get absolutely bowled over, bowled over, bulldozed by the 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.000 howling mob. We've got to neutralize their howling mob with 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.960 ours before we can even hope to have a sane conversation. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.200 Well, and he and and and a Ben Sass in 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.440 most districts is not going to lose to a Democrat. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.720 You're gonna get primaried on the right right and get 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:08.720 and lose. Same with anybody who tries to be anything 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.960 like Ben SaaS as a Democrat, you're gonna get primary 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.880 on the left by an AOC or somebody. Yeah, talking 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.000 about public if you can keep it talking about how 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.319 evil capitalism and how trumps Hitler. So yeah, I don't 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.480 know how we break out of that. Couldn't recommend that 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.840 interview with Ben SaaS, even if you ignore the government 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.160 stuff and just do the child rearing, how you face 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.040 death stuff, because it's really good. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.240 If anybody knows how to fix this, call me at 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.160 home anytime, night or day, let me know, or drop 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.320 us a note mail bag at Armstrong and Giddy dot Connau. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.880 Fax it to the president quickly. I said one to 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.600 the Michael Jackson movie. I do want to talk about that. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:49.959 We've got lots of stuff to get to. I hope 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:50.480 you can stick. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:13:01.120 Around these ideas in my head. Just got to get 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.960 him out and do it. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:09.240 Michael not a little boy anymore. You've also began what's 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.040 doing with Michael. I knew you were different the moment 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:12.600 you were born. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:18.040 You have a very special mind. And aso again, I 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.240 believe the music you could chase the world. 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.160 So that's from the new Michael Jackson movie, which came 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.040 out Friday, and it's the number one movie at the 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.520 box office. Made a ton of movie. My son and 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.880 a couple of his friends went and really really liked it. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.400 I had just coincidentally Friday morning, read the review by 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.480 armand White in the National Review. And I don't know 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.440 if you know Armand's work, I am usually highly annoyed 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.120 by it. He gets such a kick out of being 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:51.320 the contrary opinion on everything all the time that I 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.160 often think it's just working way too hard. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.920 It takes longer to read these damn reviews than it 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.240 does to watch the movie. But I really liked this 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.439 one because he uh the the reviewer arm and White 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:09.040 laid out how this movie separates the scandal Michael Jackson, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.920 the media takedown Michael Jackson, where we all did the 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.120 thing that we seem to like to do for whatever 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:15.840 is like somebody who gets really big, then we all 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.320 like to turn them down and destroy them. It leaves 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.320 out to tear them down and destroy them stuff, to 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.800 just concentrate on the thing that still exists, the rise 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.240 of a young kid into being the biggest pop superstar 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.920 of all time and the art around it. And that's 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.800 what the movie is all about, without the mccaullay culkin 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:36.920 sleeping with boys stuff. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.720 Did you hear the story of how that came to be? 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.400 Though in the movie they it included it, like a 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.840 third of the movie was the scandal stuff. But then 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.600 they realized the estate realized that they were bound by 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.120 confidentiality agreements to never make any money based on earth 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.960 some settlements. I guess never to make any money on 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.320 those stories, so they had to reshoot like a third 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.440 of the movie and it ended up being like a 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.280 happy act that ended up great. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.360 Yeah, well, and I think I'm perfectly fine with it 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.520 leaving out the scandal stuff. As Armand writes, he says, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.880 anyone who's conflicted about separating the art from the artist 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.760 is ignorant of art and has never had a significant 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.920 art experience, certainly nothing comparable to the delight MJ brought 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.480 to the world. Then lists all these songs that he's saying, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.640 those unfortunates who pretend moral or political supremacy over human 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.120 nature should simply stop pretending to engage with any form 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.520 of art, which I think is pretty good, because if 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.000 you're going to get into the hole, if you're going 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.400 to spend all your time on how crazy Van Goh was, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.120 or you know, how this person was a this or 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.880 this person was a that, with all your greatest then 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.680 you just got to step away from the world of 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:46.360 enjoying art. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.680 I guess for the bombo who ate it in embedded 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.720 sex trafficking exactly exactly. Yeah, you know, maybe it's because 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.160 I've been involved in the art since I was a 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.480 little kid. But for the longest time, I just I figured, Yeah, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.520 artists are wacky, and that's that's all I need. Really, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.400 It's fine that are they're wacky. They're frequently one sort 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.600 of wacky or another, but they produce wonderful art. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.680 So I appreciate the art. Yeah, So it's an interesting idea. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:14.239 He was all the stuff that the movie portrays, absolutely 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.040 all that, you know, the rise from this and that 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:21.960 and the biggest this or that, Absolutely true. Anyways, talented. Sure, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.840 it was fun picking. I took my son and we 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.400 picked up his friends on the other side of town 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.920 and listened to Michael Jackson songs in the car on 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.400 the way there, and they were so thrilled and enjoyed 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.120 the movie and got back in the car when I 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.120 picked them up, just raving about it. That's good, there's 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.080 no need. There's nothing wrong with making a movie about 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.120 the scandal stuff too. But god, we've seen a lot 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.440 of that is they made it up, you know, as 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:47.280 a dad. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:53.280 The whole emotional abuse by his dad and how that 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.160 and his various self image problems kind of ate him up. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.040 That's a dark story worth telling too, Just it doesn't 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.080 need to be in the same movie. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:08.440 Though, right, So anyway, Arman says, you're not allowed to 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.200 engage with in art if you're one of those people. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.600 Just kind of a funny thing to say. Lighten up, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.360 Francis speaking. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.080 Of great art, Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.880 I'm pro stealing from big corporations, you know, I'm pro 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.720 piracy all the way, like across the board. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:25.320 We gotta we gotta get back to. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.160 Cool crimes like that, like you know, bank robberies, chaos, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:30.480 full chaos, let's go. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.000 I mean, look, so I don't know this guy. You're 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.080 gonna you're gonna have to fully explain this to me. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.359 Yeah. That was the voice of Hassan Piker, who was 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.600 part of the Young Turk's Family that podcast, and he 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:49.320 started out on his own Turkish American. He is a Maoist, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:54.320 communist and an Islamist too, and he has become for 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.040 all of his bizarre extremism, which we will touch on 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.040 the toast of the quote unquote mainstream. That clip that 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.600 you heard was from the New York Times podcast where 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.159 a couple of staff writers were laughing and flirting with 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:14.200 the very handsome mister Piker, and he was explaining his ideas, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.520 which we touched on last week about how it's perfectly 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:22.520 okay to steal from big corporations. We read Nelly Bowles 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.760 great analysis of how that all ends, and then he 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:33.119 gets into the concept of social murder and how corporations, governments, whomever, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.920 who have policies that lead to people suffering or maybe 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.680 even dying, murdering them is absolutely justified. And I quote 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.840 Ryan Thompson as the United Healthcare CEO was engaging in 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.520 a tremendous amount of social murder, the systemaized form of violence, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.119 the structural violence of property, the for profit paywall system 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.800 of healthcare in this country, and the consequences that are 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:58.400 tremendous amounts of pain, tremendous amounts of death, and essentially, so, yeah, 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.080 it's absolutely justified to kill. I do not think it 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.159 was an effective political action. I do think it was 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.960 an effective act of political consciousness raising the murder of 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:07.320 the guy. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.679 So murders obviously worse than stealing. But he was the 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.720 is he behind the whole micro looting grab steel lemons 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.320 from Whole Foods thing? 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.960 Yeah, that was part of that conversation. Yeah, exactly, He's 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.960 one hundred percent in favor of that. And then the 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.879 fabulous Nelly Bowls of the Free Press is writing about 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.600 it and talks about how she wishes the days of 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:34.240 leftists wanting like your Nordic country socialism would come back, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.520 because now the modern left would reject that completely as 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.800 something close to fascism. And she writes, I swear to 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.240 God that wanting the Norway sort of progressivism now is 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.280 considered irredeemably right wing by your average hipster New York 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:49.240 Times employee. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:50.680 I know these people I work there. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.440 They genuinely think that having cops arrest a guy waving 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.920 a knife on the subway is evil. You should stay 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.080 seated and accept your knife death with dignity, even gratitude. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.040 The modern left says that wanting let's say, excellent public 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.640 schools are cleaned public parks is racism, ableism, sexism, and transphobism. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.760 You want a Norwegian style public safety, too bad, you're 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:10.720 getting street code. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.800 Our new laws are just snitches, get stitches. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.600 And then she gets into and boy, we're gonna quote 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:23.639 a number of great thinkers in this segment. She gets 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.679 into where he says he's fine with setting fire to 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.240 buildings and collective action blah blah blah. I think people 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.560 assume Hassan Piker speaking about property owners is joking when 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.400 he says, kill them, kill those mfors, Murder those mfors 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.920 in the street, Let the streets, Let the streets soak 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.240 in their effing red capitalist blood. I think they think 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.119 it's like goofy kid talk. But a lot of times historically, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.600 groups of people have done just that. You think you're 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.520 exempt from history. You think the Hassan we face this 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.600 cycle is any different from the Hassans of yesterday, just 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.280 because he's wearing a button down and this time he's handsome. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.680 So does he present this in like a comedic way? 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.359 Because I heard there was laughing there. 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.920 There's laughing during that part, because yeah, he's got a 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.959 good enough sense of humor. But no, he's absolutely serious 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.840 about the anarchy stuff and the maoist stuff, because that's crazy. 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.320 That's crazy, dog, Yeah, it absolutely is. Yeah. 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:22.200 But Nellie, who is very very seen, takes them perfectly seriously, 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.800 as does Rich Lowry or Jim Garritty rather of the 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.680 National Review. He's writing about the history of the guy. 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.640 And you'll have to take my word for it, because 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.679 this we get a little long. The number of times 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.240 he has been feted and celebrated and written about and 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:43.160 interviewed and cited as a real influential guy by the 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.840 mainstream Left, The New Yorker, the New York Times. By 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.280 April of this year, Piker was the subject of his 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:53.600