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Speaker 3: That defender is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty

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Speaker 1: the teams.

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Speaker 3: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on breaking

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Speaker 3: on swim to the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 3: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scarting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt the level of physicality has picked

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Speaker 3: up at Cardinals camp. Fact. I'm thinking I might need

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Speaker 3: to forewarn everyone here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you

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Speaker 3: Pacific Office Automation. Yes, Danny Surrec, Darren Irvan, producer Jim

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Speaker 3: Amhundro that things happen in threes. There have been two

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Speaker 3: big hits so far and A third one might come

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Speaker 3: in any moment, Cosa GALVICI, less than a week ago,

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Speaker 3: our grand tree in the backyard took a direct hit

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Speaker 3: from either lightning. I don't know what it was. Split

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Speaker 3: it in three. Yesterday, driving on the first day of pads.

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Speaker 3: How appropriate that I took a massive boulder off the

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Speaker 3: right side of my windshield. Wasn't even heavy traffic. I

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Speaker 3: have no idea where it can. It's sort of like

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker coming out of nowhere to make a tackle. Like,

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Speaker 3: where did that come from? I have no idea. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't tail getting a truck or anything. Now I have

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Speaker 3: the San Andreas fault on the right side of my windshield.

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Speaker 3: I have to get that addressed.

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Speaker 2: That's never good.

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Speaker 3: But these things happened in threes, so at any moment,

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Speaker 3: there might be another big hit coming of some sort.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's at full padded practice. I don't know, Danny,

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Speaker 3: but keep your head on a swibbl Can we go retroactively?

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Speaker 4: Because I had a massive crack in my windshield that

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Speaker 4: cracked about three quarters of my windshield about two weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: I got Can that be the third and we can

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Speaker 4: be done with the bad omens?

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Speaker 3: First, That would be good. That would be good.

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Speaker 4: Can we can we team up?

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Speaker 3: Did you get it addressed immediately?

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Speaker 4: You already had a replaced I had it replaced cla.

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Speaker 3: Like any good slacker, I'm asking myself how long can

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Speaker 3: I go with that crack?

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Speaker 4: Mine was really bad though, like almost my whole whole

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Speaker 4: windshield was cracked.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's never good.

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Speaker 3: What was the biggest hit first day of PADS? I

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Speaker 3: saw Isaiah Simmons come up and lay some lumber on

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Speaker 3: kind of jarred Clement initially, didn't knock him down. Nobody's

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Speaker 3: going to the ground. But what was the biggest hit

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Speaker 3: and or collision of the first day of PADS.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I mean that there were a few.

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Speaker 2: I mean the things that caught my eye were not

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Speaker 2: even collisions. I mean, the main one that caught my

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Speaker 2: going to get kicked out of practice if that happens.

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Speaker 2: But I guess for me, the first day of practice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first day of pads. It wasn't. It certainly

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like, oh, we've been waiting six months to

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Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean it doesn't mean it wasn't a

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Speaker 2: once they started hitting each other, they were They did

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Speaker 3: it would be as taxing, a more traditional let's huddle

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like that was a pretty good battle.

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Speaker 4: That was better than I was expecting from from seeing

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Speaker 4: I felt like, interesting enough, the defense had a stronger

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Speaker 4: I do like seeing those one on one drills though

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Speaker 4: I'm sure some words were exchanged afterwards, but but that's

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Speaker 4: what that's what I thought was one of the better

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Speaker 2: Well, and you also, i mean, my my long tenure

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Speaker 2: of a sudden that that all ramps up, the emotion

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Speaker 2: the most interesting things to watch. It's not just them

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Speaker 2: being physical, it's also how the emotion ramps up. And

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Speaker 2: then again how you handle that emotion. And that's where

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Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about Gannon and making sure that

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Speaker 2: If it did come to that. You've got to be

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Speaker 3: O line D line drills. Will Hernandez finished a couple

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Speaker 3: a year ago at this time well Brew haha, a

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Speaker 3: where that's tracking a week from now when they do

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Speaker 3: those O line D line drills. But look, it was

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Speaker 3: great theater for me at least to watch Zavon Collins

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Speaker 3: go against Paris Johnson Junior. Yeah, that was really interesting obviously.

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Speaker 3: You know, you basically have two newcomers. You have the

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Speaker 3: thil and go, oh man, where's bg O Jilauri. And

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Speaker 3: with that in mind, because to me, when you look

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Speaker 2: My J Sanders isn't out there either, right, I mean.

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Speaker 3: It really is the land opportunity out there? Is it not?

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Speaker 3: Where exactly are the Cardinals going with the plane rotations

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Speaker 3: in those three rooms. I mean, we could have a

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Speaker 3: lengthy debate here on Cardinals Underground as to where you

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Speaker 3: think the depth chart stands right here, right now, and

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Speaker 3: you could come up with a number of different scenarios.

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Speaker 4: I think it's clear from what we've seen we will

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Speaker 4: see a true rotation on the defensive line. That seems

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Speaker 4: to be the only position where we haven't consistently seen

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Speaker 4: interesting to me because when you're talking about Bjjali, the rookie,

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Speaker 4: And while Jonathan Gannon has said that we can expect

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Speaker 4: to see Ojalari out on the field soon, to.

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Speaker 2: Me, he said the same thing about Sanders by the way.

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Speaker 4: To me, the longer he goes without being able to practice,

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Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, in most other years. I don't

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Speaker 2: I mean the longer way. And when you say State

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I feel like the things

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Speaker 2: whether that's Dennis Gardek or Xavin Collins or whoever.

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Speaker 3: let's just say b Joe Jilar showed up tomorrow. Could

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I saw a tweet from somebody I

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Speaker 2: Long, long year. I just happen in the Cowboys thing,

437
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 2: and and Monty being asked in his press conference if

438
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Speaker 2: he's already thinking about using a drop pick on a

439
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: quarterback and we're like one week into training.

440
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 4: Camp, that to me is such a stretch if that happens.

441
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm saying that now August second, So who

442
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 4: knows what will happen in the next eight or not.

443
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 2: But I think for me, it's we got to see.

444
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: We've got to see what Kyler does on the field.

445
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: And I think everybody keeps saying that. I heard Mike

446
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: Sando on local radio recently, and I love Mike, but

447
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: he has not been around this team, and he was

448
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: like he he almost sounded incredulous that there was a

449
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: chance Kyler was going to play this season. I'm like,

450
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: he's I'm pretty sure he's gonna play. I'd be stunned

451
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: if he didn't play, Now how much he's going to play,

452
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how late he comes back, I don't know,

453
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 2: but I you know, I think we need to see

454
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: what Kyler Murray looks like in this offense and all

455
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: that stuff. And could there be some hard decisions after

456
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: the season, Sure there could be, But man, that just

457
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: seems like so far getting over our skis. I mean,

458
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: I understand why ESPN is talking about such things. And

459
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Speaker 2: I also heard that the conversation came up in context

460
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: of anti Dak more than just Kyler or going to Dallas.

461
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: And and we all know how much ESPN loves talking

462
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: about Dak Prescott.

463
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: Look, there's one thing you know for sure about the Cowboys.

464
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 3: They need a fall guy. Last year was Kellen Moore.

465
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 3: Get out it's your fault. Then all of a sudden,

466
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones put the play calling duties on Mike McCarthy.

467
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: Some people think that's tracking towards the demise of Mike McCarthy.

468
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: What was interesting was Ceedee Lamb at Cowboys Camp went

469
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Speaker 3: into this whole explanation that Dak is really calling the

470
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Speaker 3: plays and that Dak is is basically dictating everything in

471
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Speaker 3: the huddle, So it's almost like Mike McCarthy is outsourced

472
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Speaker 3: it to Dak, saying, you know what you wear the

473
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 3: target of the play calling because if things go awry,

474
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: the responsibility is yours and ceedee. Lamb was so bullish

475
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 3: on Dak calling plays that he warned defensive backfields to

476
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: quote back up this year because they really like the

477
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 3: deep strike. So either backup or you pay the price

478
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: to these Paul.

479
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Speaker 2: You and I are old enough to remember when quarterbacks

480
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: actually did call all the plays.

481
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Speaker 3: Kurt Warner, I mean, well, I mean kurse change and dictated.

482
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Speaker 2: He was a little bit different or a Peyton Manning,

483
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm like talking about like the mid

484
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: to late seventies where literally every quarterback in the league

485
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: was like you, you had a game plan, and then

486
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Speaker 2: you would you would call the plays.

487
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Speaker 3: So there's that, And then there was a question of

488
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Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel. By the way, I think this feels like

489
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Speaker 3: a good time to work this in. How many five

490
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Speaker 3: year old's coach would it take to tackle Derrick Henry.

491
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Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty funny. The Titans put it

492
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Speaker 4: on their social media and there was one player who

493
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Speaker 4: said all of them literally all of them. I mean,

494
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Speaker 4: that's funny. It's probably right around the range what a

495
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Speaker 4: lot of guys were saying of, like at least thirty

496
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Speaker 4: to forty.

497
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Speaker 3: Vrabel immediately answered A bleep ton is what he answered.

498
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Speaker 3: And then later he thought about it and he said

499
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Speaker 3: thirty five. Not sure he arrived at thirty five, but

500
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Speaker 3: he arrived at thirty five.

501
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Speaker 2: Well, is a smart guy. I'm sure there's Oh. I

502
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Speaker 2: will say it cracked me out when I saw that,

503
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Speaker 2: because uh, and this is probably this is for this,

504
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: This could twenty years ago now, maybe earlier. There's a

505
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: website called McSweeney's which has often has some satire writing.

506
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: And the very first article I ever read on that

507
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: was the first person about how long how many twelve

508
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Speaker 2: year olds it would take before how many twelve year

509
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: olds could I hold off before they took me down?

510
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Speaker 2: Or something like that. And that's what I thought of,

511
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: like with this five and why would you go five?

512
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't you go like ten?

513
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that's the point is like small children.

514
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but small children, Like there's there's like a what

515
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: was the generesis of that question? There had to be

516
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: something topical that led to that no question.

517
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Speaker 2: I kept picturing a Super Bowl situation where some I

518
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: just from a Mexican TV station in a wedding dress

519
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: asked that question.

520
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Speaker 4: I just saw it on TikTok first, So I don't

521
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Speaker 4: know if that was just a thought that maybe their

522
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: social team matter, if it came from somewhere else that

523
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Speaker 4: I don't know. It does look like though, really quick

524
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 4: sybar look talking about the Titans that DeAndre Hopkins is.

525
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins is making it known he's been practicing.

526
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I guess I almost felt bad like he did.

527
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: He hear me talk about the last podcast.

528
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 4: I think people have been tweeting about it. I've seen

529
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: him like quote tweet or I don't quote repost. Now

530
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 4: I guess I should be saying, but yeah, he's making

531
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 4: it clear he's been practicing. So good for them.

532
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: Darren's hohle analogy to the reporter in the wedding dress

533
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: at Super Bowl Media day just reinforces I made the

534
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: right decision and not asking Jonathan Gannon because I wanted

535
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: so badly to throw out there how many five year

536
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: olds would it take to tackle James Connor and see

537
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: what he said? But he's been all business at these

538
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: press conferences, wouldn't you say? And and I did fear

539
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: being that guy.

540
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 4: He did like Wolfe's question about the huddle.

541
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Speaker 3: He did, he did like that.

542
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: Although wolf asked another question later and he was he

543
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Speaker 2: shut that down pretty quick.

544
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Speaker 3: So we had Josh Woods, and this is my segue.

545
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: We had Josh Woods, new inside Linebackers, special teams assassin,

546
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 3: former Lions team captain last year on the Red Sea Report.

547
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: And I asked him as to whether he saw any

548
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Speaker 3: similarities between what Dan Campbell did resetting the culture in

549
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: Detroit to what JG is attempting to do with the

550
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Speaker 3: Arizona cars. And he literally cut off the question and

551
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: said absolutely, and went on, and I'm quoting loosely here,

552
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: he said, there are a lot of parallels. There's the

553
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: no nonsense attitude without micromanaging, putting responsibility on the players.

554
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: This is Josh Woods, by the way, on JG right now,

555
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: teaching you to hold yourself and others accountable. It's a

556
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: fun environment. People want to be here, they want to

557
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: do things right. Guys get rewarded for doing things right.

558
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: It's equal opportunity across the board at a lot of positions.

559
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: Coaches aren't playing smoking mirrors. They're very straight up where

560
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 3: you stand. They're forward with us. You can trust the coaches,

561
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: and that's how trust is built, and it becomes very

562
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: easy to play for a coach like that. So I

563
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: thought that was an interesting reaction from Josh Woods and

564
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: just his assessment. Since culture has gotten such a lot

565
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: of play in this camp, right, it's not a culture shift,

566
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: it's a culture shock.

567
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Speaker 2: I mean, I we're early in the process. I all

568
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: signs right now point to good vibes being accepted pretty

569
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: well by this team of the direction they're going and

570
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: how they're trying to do it. Now, Again, the question

571
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: always becomes, how does it hold up once the games start?

572
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: How much? How can it hold up? If you're doing

573
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: everything right but you don't have the talent base to

574
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: win a lot of games. What happens then? And I'm

575
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: not saying that that's what's going to happen, but I

576
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: mean again, that's when culture truly gets tested, is when

577
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: there starts to become results that get measured. That's how

578
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: you measure that culture, and you can The lines are

579
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: a great example Dan Campbell's first year. The lines weren't

580
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: super successful, but they were going in the right direction,

581
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: and you built off of that. And I think in

582
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, that's what everybody's thinking of this

583
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: year for the Cardinals is like, let's create a foundation

584
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: you can build upon whatever direction you're talking about, whether

585
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: it is how Gannon runs the locker room, how Manti

586
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: austin Fort builds the roster, how you approach your job,

587
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: how the offense is set up, all those things. If

588
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: you feel like the arrow is pointing up when it's

589
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: all said and done, you've done a nice job.

590
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: That's kind of where I stand right now. Is expectations aside.

591
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 4: Even if you know this team only gets maybe a

592
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: few more wins than last year with what you're dealing with,

593
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 4: with strength of schedule, whatever it might be, it feels

594
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: like there is hope, hope that this organization is making

595
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: the right decisions from top down to create long term success.

596
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: I think I think you could argue that night one

597
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: of the draft, the moves that many austin Fort made

598
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: could drastically change the trajectory of this organization and that

599
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: you'll start to see dividends of that in the next

600
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Speaker 4: two to three years. So I think that that is

601
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Speaker 4: also something to hold on to is not just clearly

602
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: seeing and hearing the changes of the culture within that

603
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: locker room, but the whole organization. It just feels like,

604
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: even if you don't have great results, it still feels

605
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: like things are trending in the right direction overall.

606
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: And again I don't I don't want to be pessimistic

607
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: about anything, but just to be too fair, this is

608
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: usually This is usually where you are with a new

609
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: coaching staff. You are usually at a place where you're thinking, yeah,

610
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: it's you know, there's a reason you made a change.

611
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: We're moving up.

612
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 3: Like again, we had these same feelings about Steve Wilkes.

613
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: Let's be honest twenty eighteen. We're all bullish on that camp,

614
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: were we not? This is exactly what this team needs.

615
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: A dosa discipline, more physicality and the rita camp cupcake.

616
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: And the reality was, and I love Steve, he was

617
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: a great man, and I think he's a good coach.

618
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: But also the reality is, by the time you got

619
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: to week two of the regular season, he had already

620
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: lost some key veterans in a locker.

621
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Speaker 3: Room and it was impossible to overcome the deficit. You

622
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: had a quarterback, Yeah, Sam Braff was the sacond. Josh

623
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: Rosen was a rookie.

624
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: Was talent.

625
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: So to full circle back to your original point, is

626
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: culture going to overcome a lack of talent in an

627
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: NFL game? No, However, if you have two evenly matched teams,

628
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: culture can be the difference. It was a Cardinals team

629
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: last year, Let's be honest, that led the league in

630
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: pre snap penalties. That matters. Okay, when you're beating yourself,

631
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: especially if you're not the most talented team in the league,

632
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: you can't be your own worst enemy. It can't be

633
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: Cardinals beating Cardinals. So with that in mind, Okay, look,

634
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin, they flash of stat yesterday. An NFL network

635
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: sixteen seasons has finished five hundred or better every single

636
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: year with the Steelers off. Have they been the most

637
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: talented roster? Absolutely not, But it somehow, some way he

638
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: figures out to keep them competitive. They'll finally turn around.

639
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 3: For the Lions, they won eight of the last ten

640
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: last year, so we'll see. Is this a two year process, perhaps,

641
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: but you're setting the foundation for what happens when you're

642
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: able to fortify the roster with more talent. We have

643
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: no idea what's gonna happen week one when you go

644
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: into Washington, you really don't.

645
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna go sight saying I do know that.

646
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: Are we gonna have that Saturday? Is that what you're

647
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: telling me is that a Friday trip?

648
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: Is that a formal invite to join you?

649
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: Do you want to come with me? Saying?

650
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: Can I think about it and get back to you?

651
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: Sure?

652
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: Bring the energy drink over there, the energy.

653
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 4: Drink, it's just a smoothie.

654
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: My understanding is, yes, we will be. It'll be a

655
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: Friday trip.

656
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: All right? What all stands out to this whole? By

657
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: the way, I mentioned Isaiah Simmons with the big hit

658
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: coming from deep center field safety? Isn't that primarily where

659
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: we have seen Isaiah Simmons, who in the past has

660
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: been spotted at a half dozen different positions, But he's

661
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: almost strictly as in center field safety in this.

662
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: Campaign, although I feel like the last couple of days

663
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: we've seen him well a lot closer to line of

664
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: scrimmage a few times now. I don't know if that's

665
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: because of the packages they're running or what they're doing,

666
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: but all of a sudden, like he's he's down there,

667
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: so like, does that mean they don't. They're not comfortable

668
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: with him as a deep center. Is that when they're

669
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: trying something else? I don't know what it means, but

670
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: it is interesting to watch him kind of move around.

671
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: You know what else is interesting? Correct me if I'm wrong.

672
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: When he came out of the draft, Oh, he's phenomenally talented.

673
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: He can do this, he can do everything. But is

674
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: he physical enough? Honestly, my takeaway three years later is

675
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: he is physical enough. I agree, But what else can

676
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: he do? It's almost completely the inverse. What where exactly

677
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 3: does he fit with all that athleticism, But there's no

678
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: question about his physicality. He'll come up and smack you.

679
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: In fact, he's cost a team a couple of times

680
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: with some late hits out of bounds at Seattle. Famously,

681
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, it was New England, New England.

682
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: You're right, New England.

683
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: You know it's funny because I can go back. I

684
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: remember doing a feature story on Isaiah Simmons at the

685
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Combine before we knew the Cardinals were gonna draft him.

686
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: But he was a guy that was in the mix

687
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: for who the Cardinals might take, and uh, somebody else

688
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: asked him about and part of that conversation he had

689
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: with the media was about how he was the kind

690
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: of guy was perfect in today's NFL because he was

691
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: gonna be able to cover. He was athletic enough to

692
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: cover tight ends because tight ends had become such a weapon.

693
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: And obviously that hasn't quite worked out the way that

694
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: they the Cardinals had hoped the last couple of years,

695
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: and it's going to be interesting to see what that

696
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: means this year, Like is he going to just be

697
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: that deep guy? Is he gonna be a cover guy?

698
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

699
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: Vance Joseph said that more than once the last couple

700
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: of years, Isaiah Simmons was quote drafted to cover the

701
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: tight end, So is that the way he's gonna be?

702
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's another one of those things that

703
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: very curious. We won't know until week one exactly how

704
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: they're going to deploy isa Aa Simmons. But once again,

705
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: to me, the biggest non question mark with him is

706
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: he's more than willing to come up and play with

707
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: force and violence.

708
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: So, just like Danny.

709
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: Speaking of the safety position, play with violence, Buddha Baker,

710
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: did we ever wrap up the whole Buddha Baker situation,

711
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: and because to me, I talked about all business with

712
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: ED coach Jonathan Gannon, nobody looks more locked in right

713
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: now with a bigger chip on his shoulder pad than

714
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: Buddha Baker. And that's saying something for a two time

715
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: All Pro. But just down on the sideline and had

716
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: a brief interaction with him and some of the other coaches,

717
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: and he was talking about he took no days off

718
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: he had that shoulder fracture, and he didn't take a

719
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: significant vacation of any sort, and he just looks like

720
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: he's more motivated than ever.

721
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: I think we can close the not the book, but

722
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: turn the chapter on this Buddha Baker contract situation at

723
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: least to get through the season. And when general manager

724
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: Monti Austin Fort talked to the media and that was

725
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: brought up, he he just cited the great communication with

726
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: Baker's you know, representation and you know, wanting him to

727
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: be on the team and all that good stuff. So

728
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens when the season ends, but it

729
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: is nice to know that it will not be a

730
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: distraction this year.

731
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: It's funny because Monty was specifically asked, does this put

732
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: it to bed, and he never said it was put

733
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: to bed. Here's how I feel about the Buddha stuff,

734
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: knowing him his whole career, knowing some of the things

735
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: he said, I think Buddha would always be playing like that,

736
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: probably Paul. But when he met with the media last week,

737
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, he was asked by our own Zach Gershman

738
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: actually about loyalty to the team, and he was He

739
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: answered the right way, which is, if I don't play

740
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: like I'm supposed to, I'm not gonna play, which he

741
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: didn't say I'm not gonna be here, but he might

742
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: have well have.

743
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: But he also mentioned he was on his fourth fourth

744
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: head coach and his loyalty was to really the owner

745
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: because there have been so much change in the coaching staff.

746
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I think, Buddha, I don't know if

747
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: it's fair to ask about loyalty because the reality is,

748
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: and this is why I think he's ultramotivated because next

749
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: year it's the rubber meat the road year, like is

750
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: he getting an extension or not. This is going to

751
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: come up again if the Cardinals decide to let him

752
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: play out his contract. I guarantee you it's going to

753
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: come up again. So he is playing this year to

754
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: force them to think we've got to extend this guy.

755
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: It might be after the season, but to and I

756
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: think that's where the motivation is coming in. And yes,

757
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: I think the door is closed in terms of it's

758
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: not going to be a distraction, but it ain't over.

759
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: It's a revolving door right now. It's part where it's closed,

760
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: you can't walk in, and when the season ends at

761
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: all open again.

762
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: It's like out at the bubble, Like if you don't

763
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: turn the revolving door just enough, it's got that horrible

764
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: squeak going. That's kind of where it is right now.

765
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: And if you leave your Keystro exploses, it'll get blown

766
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: off because of the you know, the air coming through

767
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: right You saw there, you know, I think that was

768
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: so two observations on Buddha Baker, agree or disagree, and

769
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 3: I know you will. Number one, do you think this culture,

770
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 3: this staff is a better match for his mentality than

771
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 3: the previous coaching staff.

772
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: It seems like it. Buddha was really the first player

773
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 4: at the end of last season to talk about it,

774
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: you know, the lack of attention to detail and the

775
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: season kind of falling off and that is what we

776
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 4: continue to hear from players, is attention to detail and

777
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: focusing on the little things, and more discipline about not

778
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 4: eating in meetings, not being so much as thirty seconds

779
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: late to a meeting, and holding yourself more accountable. And

780
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: from what we saw on Hard Knocks of those postgame

781
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: speeches locker room after those hard losses for Buden and

782
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 4: wanting more and having that passion, this kind of feels

783
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: like it would be a better fit for him.

784
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't disagree, but I also feel like that's everything

785
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: just kind of got off the rails last year. Like

786
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if that coaching staff in

787
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: itself he had a problem with. Buddha to me, is

788
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: the kind of person that he's going to you put

789
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: him on a coach, He's gonna be here. This is

790
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: his coach. He's gonna be all in. I don't see

791
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Buddha as the kind of guy who is going to

792
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: look at a brand new coach and say, yeah, this

793
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: guy doesn't work for me. That's not him. He's going

794
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: to be all in. I think the only reason he

795
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: wasn't we had any kind of blip this offseason had

796
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: more to do with his contract than anything else, you know,

797
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: and maybe there were some concerns about, you know, being

798
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: in the prime of his career and maybe not winning

799
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: a lot of games. But again, you don't to me,

800
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: you don't be a face the franchise. You don't build

801
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: a team around a guy who isn't going to be

802
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: all in who you put out. And that kind of

803
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: goes back to like he sees himself as a cardinal.

804
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Does he want to stay a long term cardinal? Yes,

805
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: he says he wants to stay a long term cardinal.

806
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: Are they gonna want to keep him a long term cardinal?

807
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean it takes two to tangle on this stuff too.

808
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: That brings me to my second question. Would any other

809
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: player besides Buddha Baker actually have had his contract renegotiated.

810
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: I think he's the one player on this roster who

811
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: asked for some new money who actually would have gotten

812
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 3: new money, and he did. Did he get what he's

813
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: looking for? Probably not, but he got a little bump,

814
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: got some incentives, probably two point four million by the

815
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: time it's said and done to the end of this year.

816
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: No extra guarantees next year. But I think any other

817
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 3: player would ask for what he was asking for they'd

818
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: still be sitting at home waiting.

819
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: I think that's a fair fair take on this.

820
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: Me too, Me too.

821
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: He's just that important and that good of a fit

822
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: and being in his prime and being and all pro

823
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: So there's that, I thought. By the way, my other

824
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: favorite quote so far of Camp we gotta do something

825
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: with this is when Jonathan Gannon was asked about James Connor.

826
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: He listed some of the strengths, his likes and so forth,

827
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: and he said, you know what, and I'm really quote

828
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: excited to watch him get behind this O line and

829
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: cram the ball vertical. We gotta do something with that.

830
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: Cram the ball vertical offense, you know, something, something, There's

831
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: potential there, a right to Danny. I can't do everything, Danny,

832
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: maybe you can flesh it out and finalize.

833
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: So be fair. If he would have said it that

834
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: straight out, it would be one thing. But we all

835
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: were there and it was almost like Gannon was trying

836
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: to say something. He kind of, you know, he crammed

837
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: the ball vertical like he was almost like, Eh, this

838
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: didn't isn't coming out quite the way I wanted.

839
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: So he did sort of say it quickly at the

840
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: end of a sentence. You're right. He didn't like pound

841
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: the podium and really deliver it like Shakespeare Shakespeare in

842
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: the Park. He didn't deliver it with a lot of oomp.

843
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: You're right, we're gonna We're gonna see you. There's a

844
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: lot of tight ends. Well, I was going to say

845
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of tight ends being used in this

846
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: offense for what we've seen so far, and that's true.

847
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: But there's also a lot of tight ends that aren't

848
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: practicing half the time, So.

849
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: So many tight ends. We saw Jeff criscoll playing tight

850
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: end at one point in eleven on eleven your your

851
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: four string quarterback was in a four point stance. I

852
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: found that entertaining. He comes off the ball and I

853
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: forget who the end was. He's like, what am I

854
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: doing with this? This guy's were in a non contact jersey.

855
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: Just get away from me, Like, why is a guy

856
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: in a non contact jersey in the trenches?

857
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what, because not enough tight ends we're practicing.

858
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: I don't know what nicks or bumps or bruises Trey

859
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: McBride or Hollywood Brown are dealing with. But hopefully not

860
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 4: so serious to where we won't see him on the field.

861
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: True.

862
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: By the way, we tried, I asked you.

863
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Did you did?

864
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: Really? What would you got? A lot of nothing?

865
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: Still bumps, nicks and bruises. You know, they'll do they'll

866
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: do a little today.

867
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that Jonathan Gannon one

868
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: thing that he's got in calm with Cliff Kingsbury is

869
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Speaker 2: he's not going to say much about injuries, if anything.

870
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Speaker 3: When Drew Petsing, I'm just I'm fixating on some of

871
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: these quotes we've heard so far, you know, the over

872
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: analysis right of said quotes. When Drew Petsing was asked

873
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: about the Cardinals offense and just sort of I don't

874
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: know the mentality philosophy, and he said, quote, the biggest

875
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: thing is to be multiple in this league. If you

876
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: get predictable, you get easy to defend. Yeah, you think

877
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: Petscen was aware that that was probably the biggest indictment

878
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 3: of the previous offense.

879
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: No, probably not. That's probably just a general.

880
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: I would think that's a general. I mean, to be honest, it's.

881
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: Like he wasn't going like taskit. Sean Payton talking about

882
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett at all. Was he like uh. I mean,

883
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: if this is what happened here in the past, you're

884
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: thinking that they were negligent.

885
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Speaker 2: I also think that that quote is very coach speaky.

886
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it just worked out that. Yeah, that's something

887
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: that we paid attention to last year. But no, I

888
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: don't think that that was I don't think that was

889
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: directed anything. I think that would be I mean, because

890
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: what did he really say. He didn't really say anything.

891
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: It was just sort of I understand interesting how he

892
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: keeps coming back to the you have to be multiple.

893
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: If you're predictable, you're easy to defend, you're dead in

894
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: the water. And that, basically, in so many ways is

895
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: what doomed the Cardinals three years in a row down

896
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: the stretch. How many times did we talk about the

897
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: offense is going to have to adjust to the adjustment.

898
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: So I, like I said, how can you not sit

899
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: there and listen to him say that and go, Okay, Well,

900
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: if you're looking to diagnose what had ailed the Cardinals

901
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 3: offense the last few years, if that's your mentality and approach,

902
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: that's exactly what this team needed. I guess that's my reaction.

903
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: You're always looking for the conspiracy theory.

904
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 3: Of trying to drill a little deeper and see, you know,

905
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: because look, I.

906
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: Asked, why didn't you ask Drew Petsing that, Well, I Drew,

907
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: is that a shot against the previous Yeah?

908
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: Are you going Sean Payton on the previous scheme? But

909
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: I did ask Kelvin bem just how different more of

910
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: a general question, you know, this offense is just the

911
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: scheme itself. And his answer was well, and he paused,

912
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: Kelvin Beachum, and he chose his words carefully, but he

913
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: did say that, you know what, it's good to be

914
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: going forward not backward once again, cram the ball vertical,

915
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: straight ahead as opposed to horizontal.

916
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: And I, I mean we all kind of saw that.

917
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to do it in the

918
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 2: college game, where your athletes might be better than most

919
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: of their athletes and you can get the edge and

920
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: all that stuff, but that just wasn't going to happen

921
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: in the NFL. And I do think it'll be refreshing.

922
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: And what's kind of funny about it is it's going

923
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 2: to be refreshing to watch this team do these things

924
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: when all you're doing is going back to really basic

925
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: offense in the NFL, you know, it's not like it's

926
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: what I think Drew Azemona said. We're not. It's not

927
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: like we're doing anything that's revolutionary. No, they're not.

928
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: All Right, the biggest here's here's my big finish, the

929
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: biggest question you'd like to see answered by the end

930
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 3: of camp. There are a lot of questions, a lot

931
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: of decisions that need to be made. But what's the

932
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: one front burner issue right now you'd like to see

933
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 3: an answer to by the time the Cardinals break camp.

934
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Speaker 3: And we're less than two weeks away from the Cardinals

935
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Speaker 3: breaking camp.

936
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Speaker 2: So you're saying when you're saying breaking camp, you mean

937
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: literally at the stadium because they're still going to have

938
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: a good chunk of the preseason.

939
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: Right, Let's just say by the end of August, by

940
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: the end of the preseason, what's the biggest thing you'd

941
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 3: like to have determined or decided by this team.

942
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: I my biggest thing would be who can you rely

943
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: on on your outside pass rush. I don't know if

944
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to answer that, but that

945
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: would be my biggest question. I thought about a couple

946
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: other things. You know, whether Clayton Tune could be your quarterback,

947
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: or they. But to me, it's still going to come

948
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: down to because I I, you know, watching some of

949
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 2: this stuff right now, like, would you like a better

950
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: cornerback situation?

951
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: Yes, probably yep.

952
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: But like it again, it's the old is it would

953
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: it even matter if you had prime Patrick Peterson back there?

954
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: If you're having trouble get to the quarterback, Danny.

955
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: I would probably go with who are who is your

956
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: starting cornerback opposite of Marco Wilson and having that decided

957
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 4: and kind of going with the pass rushes. You obviously

958
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 4: need to have some solid coverage, So that's kind of

959
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 4: where I would like to see a decision made.

960
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: I want to go with center, So I think yelld

961
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: to Froholt is gonna get a heck of a competition

962
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: from Pat Elfline eventually. And I've heard some really good

963
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: things about John Gaines and how he has looked so

964
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: far in camp, and the same theory that as Paris

965
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: Johnson junior starting a right tackle, could that apply to

966
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: a John Gaines at center?

967
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: Again, there's there's no reason to me, there's no reason

968
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: to not think that for a lot of positions.

969
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 3: But that's secondary to me too, is Simmons. I keep

970
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: coming Simmons. I want to see where he fits in

971
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: this defense and will we have an answer to that

972
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: question by the time we're done with the preseason. Is

973
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: he gonna be a factor this year or not? Can

974
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 3: they somehow harness that athleticism?

975
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: You could have had that be the biggest question at

976
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: the end of training camp for four years now.

977
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm still I've been patient.

978
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm still what are your seven players you're keeping an

979
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: eye out for?

980
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: All right, I've narrowed it down, Danny. Okay, I heard

981
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: the criticism second only to the mustache around here, so

982
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: I've narrowed it down. I probably buried the lead. So

983
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 3: like you guys are refusing to talk about Claytonton getting

984
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: first team reps, I buried the lead. Here it is.

985
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: I settled in an offensive and defensive poly pigskin breakout player,

986
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: a camp envelope. Please, as we get here, we all

987
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: that didn't work. Here we go a Mari de Mercado,

988
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: the TCU running back on offense, and I'm going with

989
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: Dante Stills, a sixth rounder West Virginia. Really the only

990
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: true three technique they have on this team. The athleticism

991
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: those are the two I'm going with right now.

992
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 4: I feel like they seem to like the rookie wide

993
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 4: receiver and Daniel Arius. It seems like if Michael Wilson

994
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 4: is not out there, that is their next option to

995
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: get some height and size, and he's been getting some

996
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 4: good reps.

997
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: It looks like, well, I'm glad you brought that up,

998
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: but I certainly don't want Paul. I now who's coming in.

999
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna include him.

1000
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: Too, And I said that Paul, he actually is one

1001
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: of the few I did not include in my original

1002
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: months ago.

1003
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Speaker 4: So you know, Paul, I'm surprised that this is the

1004
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: first podcast since the news came out and you didn't

1005
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: bring up aliens or UFO speaking of conspiracy theories.

1006
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: I was we had to wait an extra day because

1007
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: I was so distracted over the last week that Congress

1008
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: was actually having official hearings on UFO sightings, and there

1009
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Speaker 3: was actually a high ranking member of NASA and or

1010
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: the government who testified in front of Congress that they

1011
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: do have alien spacecraft in their possession. They've been reverse

1012
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: engineering at trying to see how it works, and they

1013
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 3: also might have evidence of alien UFO life in possession.

1014
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 3: Of the US government. And how is that not getting

1015
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: more play in the news.

1016
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 4: You're the one who chose not to bring it up

1017
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: on Cardinals Underground.

1018
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because of the former president's been indicted a

1019
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: million times.

1020
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: Already, could be there are other headlines. There's no doubt

1021
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: about it, economic, political, and otherwise. You're right. But don't

1022
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 3: think I'm not keeping an eye on that, Danny.

1023
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 4: Don't think I wouldn't expect anything less.

1024
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: Like I'm writing this down next week the UFO update desk.

1025
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Speaker 3: I'm going to make that a daily staple. I'll let

1026
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, Danny, because I know you're dying O, but

1027
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: you don't admit it.

1028
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Speaker 4: I am, but I'm not making the effort to read

1029
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: into it. So honestly, I would appreciate the updates. That's

1030
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 4: not even being sarcastic. Let me know when I need

1031
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 4: to be worried, all right, all right.

1032
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Speaker 3: You know I might start a UFO like text update,

1033
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Speaker 3: you know, and I'll get a list going and it'll

1034
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Speaker 3: co direct to your phone. That'll be my side hustle

1035
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Speaker 3: UFO updates right to your phone. I'll get a sponsor,

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Speaker 3: oh boy, and that'll do it for Cardinals Ownerver I

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