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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Daron, Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast.

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Speaker 1: As we enter the month of September, the sixth month

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Speaker 1: of the baseball season, I can't believe it's here already,

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Speaker 1: Joe Badden, but here we are.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about it yesterday. I was driving with

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Speaker 2: a friend and somebody you know, brought up that was September, right,

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Speaker 2: and it is September, and it reminded me how quickly

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Speaker 2: the baseball season goes. When it gets going great, training

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Speaker 2: is like it's like a trying to start a cranky vehicle,

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Speaker 2: or it just doesn't want to go. And then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, you get to April and here you go,

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Speaker 2: and you have days off and it rainy, and you

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Speaker 2: just really it's hard to gain traction and get into

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Speaker 2: any kind of a vibe. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: here comes June July all Star break. And then after

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Speaker 2: the All Star break, man, it gets quick. And then

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Speaker 2: we've talked about it earlier to you and I may have,

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Speaker 2: and I the thing I used to tell my players

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Speaker 2: all the time. Tomino had mentioned to the press that

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Speaker 2: September provides its own energy. So the trick of the

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Speaker 2: key is to get to September, where they say playing

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Speaker 2: meaningful games in September, which there's there's a truth to that,

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Speaker 2: because when you do do that, you're no longer fatigued.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, the dog days of August, appropriately named,

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Speaker 2: are no longer there, and now September just says, here,

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Speaker 2: have some energy because you're in it. You deserve this,

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Speaker 2: and it's just weird how that plays out. And this

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Speaker 2: was my favorite time here as a manager because of that.

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Speaker 2: The get Chris Pier. We were talking about how the

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Speaker 2: weather's changed already, and it's just you come to the

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Speaker 2: ballpark and it's just a different you know, the sun's

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Speaker 2: a little bit different shade, it's a little bit more

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Speaker 3: Just it was my favorite time of the year always

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Speaker 3: in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of a slow cranking starts, I actually should

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Speaker 1: formally introduce myself, which I think I skipped this time.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm Tom Verducci and Joe. We can always

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Speaker 1: talk about what you want to talk about, and I

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Speaker 1: want to know what's on your mind. But I want

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Speaker 1: to get to a couple of things. The Philadelphia Phillies

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Speaker 1: the New York Yankees, and I've got a story about

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan I want to share with you. And I

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Speaker 1: know this is sort of right up your alley, but

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Speaker 1: let me start with the Yankees, okay, because the Yankees

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Speaker 1: are starting September here with a losing record against winning teams,

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Speaker 1: and I don't need to see them play anymore against

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Speaker 1: the Nationals and the White Sox and the lesser teams

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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. It hit a gazillion home runs,

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Speaker 1: and finally the schedule is going to give us a

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Speaker 1: run here, Joe, where they're going to see the Astros,

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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays, the Tigers, and the Red Sox twelve

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Speaker 1: straight to warm up for the October festival that's come

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Speaker 1: in our way. Tell me what you think in the

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Speaker 1: Yankees here, Joe, because we know that they can beat

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Speaker 1: the really bad teams, especially when they get into some

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Speaker 1: four pitching. But how they measure up against the really

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Speaker 1: good teams, which they have not done well so far

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Speaker 1: this year. We will have a really good idea of

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Speaker 1: that the next week and a half.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you nailed that. They're just in a

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Speaker 2: description without actually saying it. The weaker teams, the lesser

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Speaker 3: Know, and they hit a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: And I've got to watch them some nights and it's like,

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Speaker 2: was it nine recently? In one game they really played

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Speaker 3: Listen, I did not beat.

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Speaker 2: A dead horse when they're done, and they're not a

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Speaker 2: dead horse by any means. But if watched them play fundamentally,

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Speaker 2: Now their all field plays pretty firm. It's probably primarily

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Speaker 2: I've kind of given them some kind of a cornerstone

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Speaker 2: I love the guy's back, but he's just a less

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Speaker 2: You love his arm, He's like a young glass now.

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Speaker 2: going to have to make this comeback. Rodin's good, I mean,

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Speaker 2: So to just think that they're going to get to

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Speaker 3: I don't see it. So I think they'll continue along

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Speaker 2: And Toronto's failing a little bit right now, so that's

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Speaker 2: going to continue to see what we've been seeing. There's

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on the Yankees, Joe, hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And it is pretty simple to me. I'll put it

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Speaker 1: to you this way. In an average game, Yankees hitters

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Speaker 1: are going to take sixty nine swings. If two of

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Speaker 1: those swings produce home runs, the Yankees win seventy percent

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Speaker 1: They're losing team. But upon hitting a second home run,

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Speaker 1: the Yankees winning percentage is seventy percent. So if you

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Speaker 1: get sixty nine chances to hit two or more home runs,

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Speaker 1: the Yankees. And now we can measure these things metrically.

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Speaker 1: Is on a more upward path to the baseball. It's measurable.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees launch angle, their attack angle to the baseball

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Speaker 1: flyball increase rate in Major League Baseball. The top four

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Speaker 1: in playoff position. It's the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Cubs,

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Speaker 1: the Tigers. And that's the way the Yankees play baseball. Yes,

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Speaker 1: You know, they're a better base running team lately since

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Speaker 1: to hit home runs. Milwaukee Brewers, they actually hit the

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Speaker 1: find different paths to a victory. Yankees have one path.

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Speaker 1: They have to hit home runs. But they do that

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Speaker 1: Jazz Chisholm to me perfect example of how the Yankees

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Speaker 1: of Austin Wells, Paul Goldschmidt, Bellinger, Anthony Volpi, Ryan McMahon.

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Speaker 1: good pitching enough, but that's their path to win. And

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Speaker 1: That's how they live and maybe they die that way.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, do you haven't broken down

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Speaker 3: like home and away with them too?

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Speaker 2: Regarding their home runs. And you know, is there a

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Speaker 1: You have to look that up. I do know that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just watched them, you know, And

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you there's not only the poll ball, but

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Speaker 2: we've talked about it with you before. The OPO fly

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Speaker 2: know I've seen in my mind's eye at least more

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Speaker 2: So listen, they do hit home runs. Grisham has really

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Speaker 2: all he's trying to do is put the.

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Speaker 2: I've even seen Volpi hit the ball to right field out,

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Speaker 2: there's no question. So it's a combination of who they're

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Speaker 2: much prefer the Brewers method of playing baseball. But then

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Speaker 2: Steven and now their claim in the Yankee stadium is,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well put it this way. Last five years, the

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Speaker 2: Well, the fastball first thought has always been there. I

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Speaker 2: Really good hitters don't fell off their pitch. So that

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe, I gonna ask you to do something

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Speaker 3: Win tonight's game. That's something I always preached back in

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Speaker 2: or win today's game. Not a bad way to think

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Speaker 2: about it. It really isn't because even if you do

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Speaker 2: win tonight and then here comes tomorrow, and all of

435
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Speaker 2: a sudden, you get all full of yourself, and because

436
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Speaker 2: you come to the ballparking you're all like, you know,

437
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Speaker 2: you're kind of high about yesterday's win, and then all

438
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, you get your butt kicked that night

439
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Speaker 2: and then your back to where he had begun the

440
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Speaker 2: night before that not knowing a win tonight's game one

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Speaker 2: game winning streaks. Yes, at the end of the time,

442
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Speaker 2: I would bet five hundred. Again, it just like it sounds,

443
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Speaker 2: probably not going to move the needle, and they'll probably

444
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Speaker 2: be almost in the same spot that they're in, which

445
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Speaker 2: is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: But my goal would be to win each series.

447
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Speaker 2: And if you win each series, you're gonna look at

448
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Speaker 2: the end of that and it's gonna taste pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Joe, this time of year, some wins

450
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Speaker 1: seem bigger than others. And the other day the Philadelphia

451
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Speaker 1: Phillies had one of those wins, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about that right after this on the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcasts. Joe, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you saw it. The Philadelphia Phillies. They

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Speaker 1: play Sunday night at home and then they play the

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Speaker 1: next afternoon in Milwaukee. They got into Milwaukee at one

457
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Speaker 1: am for a day game on Labor Day and they

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Speaker 1: fall behind Ford to nothing.

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Speaker 3: And guess what.

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Phillies won that game. They came back on

461
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Speaker 1: the Brewers' bullpen. That showed me a lot. Not that

462
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Speaker 1: the Phillies have to prove anything. We know they're, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: other than the Dodgers. I think they're the most experienced

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Speaker 1: team in baseball. We know they're a good team. They're

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Speaker 1: probably going to win the NL East. I get all that,

466
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Speaker 1: but man, that was impressive, Joe. You know what it's like.

467
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's easy just to give in to the moment,

468
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Speaker 1: the travel, the deficit, you're playing a good team, you know,

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Speaker 1: to see the Phillies respond like that, and again, they

470
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Speaker 1: don't have to prove anything. But I found that to

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Speaker 1: be really impressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're buch of tough guys. I I do appreciate

473
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Speaker 2: them when I watch them. They got the correct veterans.

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Speaker 2: They play the game hard and well and properly. They

475
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Speaker 2: are never out of it. And on that particular day

476
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Speaker 2: you're talking about, Brendan marsh Ruthy came up big for them,

477
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Speaker 2: and I was really happy for him.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's who they are. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: you know, that's.

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Speaker 2: That's the love affair between that particular group and the

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Speaker 2: city right now, because they identify with one another so well.

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Speaker 3: They do represent.

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Speaker 2: Philadelphian in Philadelphia's within them, So it's it's not shocking,

484
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Speaker 2: it's not surprising. I watched their games and their the

485
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Speaker 2: pregame show where sometimes but Ricky Botallico might get a

486
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Speaker 2: little bit edgy with them, and I can't remember the

487
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Speaker 2: host's name. But then there's a lot going on there

488
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Speaker 2: every day, man, between pregame shows, radio shows, and then

489
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Speaker 2: you got your online stuff and whatever. It's just it

490
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Speaker 2: just keeps piling on. And these guys are really thick skinned,

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Speaker 2: and that's what I really.

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Speaker 3: Like about it. And so are their alumni.

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Speaker 2: So Philadelphia is Philadelphia, man, and it's not for the

494
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Speaker 2: for the faint of heart, regardless of what you do.

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Speaker 2: So not shocking, not surprising. My biggest question is who

496
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Speaker 2: schedules that kind of a situation where the night game

497
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Speaker 2: in a day game the next day it's very difficult

498
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Speaker 2: when you have to go on.

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Speaker 3: The road to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, listen, this is not a second guess here.

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Speaker 1: My first call the trade deadline. I thought one of

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Speaker 1: the most under the radar moves good moves, was Harrison

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Speaker 1: Bader picked up by the Philadelphia Phillies. You know, they

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Speaker 1: needed a right handed stick in the outfield, they needed

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Speaker 1: to improve their outfield defense. And man, as he done

506
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Speaker 1: that even better than advertised. Twenty six games with the Phillies,

507
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Speaker 1: He's hitting three thirteen, three eighty five on base percentage,

508
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Speaker 1: slug is almost at five hundred. This guy's playing such

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Speaker 1: good baseball, Joe, that Rob Thompson is essentially turning him

510
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Speaker 1: into an everyday player. I mean there's times now where

511
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Speaker 1: the Phillies outfield is Bader, Kepler, and marsh and that

512
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Speaker 1: means that Castillanos is sometimes, you know, once every four

513
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Speaker 1: or five games, is not in the starting lineup. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not an easy decision when you've got

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Speaker 1: a veteran like Castianos, but Rob Thompson's got to make

516
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Speaker 1: that call. And I think the Phillies are much better

517
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Speaker 1: defensively and even offensively the way that beater is going.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you had a situation like that, Joe,

519
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Speaker 1: But this time of year, you understand it's urgency and

520
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Speaker 1: it's about hot hands.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and you can't cater to anybody right now.

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Speaker 2: They're earlier in the year. You're going to give certain

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Speaker 2: people more of an opportunity. It's the same thing in

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Speaker 2: the minor leagues. I mean, even when I'm in the

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Speaker 2: minor leagues. It got to August, which was the last month,

526
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Speaker 2: and August I told all the managers, you play to

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Speaker 2: win right now. Up to that point, you do all

528
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Speaker 2: your decisions are based on development, and then after you

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Speaker 2: get to August, make all your decisions based on winning.

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Speaker 3: Because I really.

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Speaker 2: Thought that winning was a part of development. I'll argue

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Speaker 2: that with anybody. You just keep using the word the

533
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Speaker 2: d word development constantly. These guys don't really know how

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Speaker 2: to win, and I want I want players that know

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Speaker 2: how to win, and when they show up on a

536
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Speaker 2: nightly basis, they believe they are going to win. Bater

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Speaker 2: equals attitude. So I'm in Saint Louis. He's one of

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Speaker 2: those guys. I think sometimes from a distance you may

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Speaker 2: not like so much. But if he's with you.

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Speaker 3: You like him a lot, and you know he's got

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Speaker 3: he has.

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Speaker 2: A tendency to get like like smoking hot, and then

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Speaker 2: he can go. He could disappear for a bit, but

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Speaker 2: I think as adrenaline is really right and high right now,

545
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Speaker 2: and it's all go, go, go. So he's the right

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Speaker 2: guy to put out there. He does play good defense,

547
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Speaker 2: but there's an attitude about him. There's a lot of

548
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Speaker 2: energy about him. I don't know him at all, but

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Speaker 2: these are my observations from a distance. Now, Nicky, if

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Speaker 2: you have two lefties out there, and listen, Nicky's gonna chase.

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Speaker 3: And if you can put.

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Speaker 2: Marsh and Kepler out there, and you know, if the

553
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Speaker 2: matchups are right, there's no reason to run away from that.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's just a conversation with nick That's all

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Speaker 2: it is. Listen, in the past, it might not have

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Speaker 2: looked this way, but right now we have this. I

557
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Speaker 2: don't want he's the word glut, but we're we're blessed

558
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Speaker 2: to have all these really good outfielders.

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Speaker 3: And we have a ying and yangling on right now,

560
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Speaker 3: left and right.

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Speaker 2: So it's appropriate, it's the right thing to do, and

562
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Speaker 2: it's a conversation and everybody always talks about winning and

563
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Speaker 2: team and all this other kind of stuff, and then

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Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to put your your money where

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Speaker 2: your mouth is, or your attitude where your mouth is,

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Speaker 2: and you have to accept this because it is better

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Speaker 2: for the group.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Trade Turner. He's playing

569
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Speaker 1: some great baseball. He leads to the National League and hits,

570
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Speaker 1: he's running again. But the biggest thing to me Joe

571
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Speaker 1: is the way he's playing defense. There was a period

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Speaker 1: there last year where I thought, you know, maybe they

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Speaker 1: have to start thinking about where his future is. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's in the outfield. A good enough athlete. We've actually

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Speaker 1: seen him out there before, but I thought his defense

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Speaker 1: at shortstop really was getting to the point where he's

577
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Speaker 1: concerning where his future would be. And you watch him

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Speaker 1: play this year, and I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: a guy who's improved defensively. The metrics show that, although

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Speaker 1: I always caution people, you can't really put a lot

581
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Speaker 1: of faith in metrics. I mean, one metric you look

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Speaker 1: at Bobby Whitt Junior as the second best shortstop in

583
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Speaker 1: the major leagues, and another metric he's below average. So

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Speaker 1: depending on your metric, of choice. You can find whatever

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Speaker 1: you want, but just to the eye tests and some

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Speaker 1: of the defensive metrics, he is very much improved now.

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Speaker 1: He did spend a lot of time in spring training

588
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Speaker 1: with Bobby Dickerson, their infield and director, to really concentrate

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Speaker 1: on improving on defense. His range is certainly better. I'd

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Speaker 1: never thought he was a great hands guy at shortstop.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a great athlete, but he's playing the heck out

592
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Speaker 1: of that position. And I'm wondering, Joe, if this is

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Speaker 1: something that you've come across a lot in the game

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Speaker 1: where someone can make you know, not just an incremental improvement,

595
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Speaker 1: but major strides defensively, especially at such a key position

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Speaker 1: on the defensive spectrum.

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Speaker 2: Well, my first question would be, was he injured at all?

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Speaker 2: That he was, he's just hiding anything within the last

599
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Speaker 2: year or so that you're aware of.

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Speaker 3: Anybody's a work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure about that. He may have had

602
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Speaker 1: to be banged up a little bit along the way,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if anything major.

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Speaker 2: That's It almost sounds like to me something was bothering

605
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Speaker 2: him that's not bothering him anymore.

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Speaker 3: That'd be the first place that.

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Speaker 2: Would look because if he's always he's been freed up

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Speaker 2: if you're seeing movement better laterally. The other thing would

609
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Speaker 2: be throwing accuracy. I watched him play a lot. I've

610
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Speaker 2: seen him play really good. I've seen great ranged both ways,

611
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Speaker 2: especially to his left.

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Speaker 3: He really can go up the middle and the arm.

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Speaker 2: The arm has been strong and accurate from what I've

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Speaker 2: seen more recently.

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Speaker 3: So that's the first place I.

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Speaker 2: Would look is that if somebody like him, you know,

617
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Speaker 2: established kind of a guy, look like he was on

618
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Speaker 2: the decline and all of a sudden it's not.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they do withhold.

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Speaker 2: They do withhold what's going on with them, and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden it might be revealed down the road,

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Speaker 2: well he was actually nursing this and never really nobody

623
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Speaker 2: ever really talked about it. But it's unusual, like as

624
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Speaker 2: a guy gets older to say that he's actually going

625
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Speaker 2: to get better at certain things like that. It probably

626
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Speaker 2: doesn't occur. That's just not the way it works outside

627
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Speaker 2: of injury. And that's what I always ask about, because

628
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Speaker 2: when the guy's getting older.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that things should decline.

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Speaker 2: And if then my next question is is he well

631
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Speaker 2: or is he coming off of something?

632
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Speaker 3: And if he is, just be patient with it. But

633
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Speaker 3: if he's.

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Speaker 2: Well and he's getting older normally, it's like you're not

635
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Speaker 2: gonna you don't expect things to actually get better.

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Speaker 3: So that'd be my biggest thing. I'm biggest thing with him.

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Speaker 3: But I'm a fan. I've always been a fan of

638
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Speaker 3: this guy.

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Speaker 2: I love the way he's like, you know, Paul Malotar,

640
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Speaker 2: the version that Gene Mok used to describe Paul. He said,

641
00:28:05,958 --> 00:28:08,918
Speaker 2: Paul Molataur Molotaar looked like a run as he walked

642
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Speaker 2: up to home plate. I mean, I think when you know,

643
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Speaker 2: when Trey Turner's going well, he looks like a run.

644
00:28:12,998 --> 00:28:15,478
Speaker 2: He looks like a point every time he walks up there.

645
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Speaker 2: He's got His speed is so easy. It's easy speed.

646
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Speaker 2: He glides and of course his signature slide in the

647
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Speaker 2: home plate. I just like him as a baseball player.

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Speaker 2: I think he does everything well. He's got some pop.

649
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Speaker 2: You got to just winny kind of a way about him,

650
00:28:28,198 --> 00:28:30,678
Speaker 2: and I'll pay more attention. But I would bet that

651
00:28:30,718 --> 00:28:32,838
Speaker 2: there might have been something bothering him that's no longer

652
00:28:32,838 --> 00:28:33,438
Speaker 2: bothering him.

653
00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,318
Speaker 1: And another one of your favorites, I know, mister Kyle Schwarber,

654
00:28:36,998 --> 00:28:39,998
Speaker 1: with a four home run game, Joan, I'm watching that game,

655
00:28:40,118 --> 00:28:43,038
Speaker 1: and I see that he's getting a fifth at bat,

656
00:28:43,238 --> 00:28:46,838
Speaker 1: the rare opportunity to try for a fifth home run. Obviously,

657
00:28:46,878 --> 00:28:48,838
Speaker 1: no one's hit five in a game. There's been few

658
00:28:48,878 --> 00:28:51,158
Speaker 1: opportunities where you get that fifth at bat to even

659
00:28:51,198 --> 00:28:52,998
Speaker 1: have a shot at it. And then I see it

660
00:28:53,118 --> 00:28:56,678
Speaker 1: vidalbo Duhan. The infielder is on the mound and Joe.

661
00:28:56,718 --> 00:28:58,678
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I was rooting against him.

662
00:28:58,918 --> 00:29:01,758
Speaker 1: I did not want to see a fifth home run

663
00:29:01,878 --> 00:29:04,838
Speaker 1: with that sort of invisible asteris attached to it by

664
00:29:04,878 --> 00:29:06,798
Speaker 1: hitting it off an infielder. I was glad that he

665
00:29:06,878 --> 00:29:10,398
Speaker 1: popped up. It's no offense to Kylle Schwarberg, but it's

666
00:29:10,518 --> 00:29:13,198
Speaker 1: just not the same to hit a fifth home run

667
00:29:13,278 --> 00:29:16,438
Speaker 1: off an infielder as opposed to an actual major league pitcher.

668
00:29:16,678 --> 00:29:18,638
Speaker 3: I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen KB.

669
00:29:18,758 --> 00:29:20,958
Speaker 2: I think KBA might have hit four home runs. I'm

670
00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:23,118
Speaker 2: not sure I think he did. And the last kid,

671
00:29:23,158 --> 00:29:26,278
Speaker 2: that's Chris Bryan against a picture. When all that happens

672
00:29:26,278 --> 00:29:28,958
Speaker 2: and the celebration still continue, but it's like, come on,

673
00:29:29,038 --> 00:29:30,398
Speaker 2: there's something tainted about it.

674
00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,558
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. It's not going to be

675
00:29:32,558 --> 00:29:33,278
Speaker 3: logged that way.

676
00:29:33,318 --> 00:29:34,918
Speaker 2: And like you said, down the road, if he had

677
00:29:34,998 --> 00:29:36,438
Speaker 2: hit his fifth, it would have been his fifth and

678
00:29:36,478 --> 00:29:38,598
Speaker 2: you know, ten years from now or five years, it

679
00:29:38,598 --> 00:29:40,638
Speaker 2: would just be about Shrob hit five home runs in

680
00:29:40,678 --> 00:29:42,438
Speaker 2: a game, and nobody's even going to talk about the

681
00:29:42,478 --> 00:29:45,118
Speaker 2: fact to the last one was hit against the position player.

682
00:29:45,398 --> 00:29:47,558
Speaker 3: It's part of the game. The way it works. I've

683
00:29:47,558 --> 00:29:47,878
Speaker 3: done it.

684
00:29:48,038 --> 00:29:49,758
Speaker 2: You get to the point where you have to save

685
00:29:49,798 --> 00:29:52,238
Speaker 2: your pitchers for the next day. It's just the way

686
00:29:52,278 --> 00:29:55,158
Speaker 2: the thing works. And then and then you get blenty

687
00:29:55,158 --> 00:29:57,318
Speaker 2: of some of your better guys sitting against guys like that.

688
00:29:57,398 --> 00:29:59,478
Speaker 2: I don't blame Sharp's were going for it. I mean

689
00:29:59,518 --> 00:30:01,918
Speaker 2: it's something to put on his resume. Doesn't count, of

690
00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:03,718
Speaker 2: course it does his account. No, it doesn't.

691
00:30:04,958 --> 00:30:06,958
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. Yes, it would

692
00:30:06,958 --> 00:30:09,198
Speaker 1: go in the record right, but again I think it

693
00:30:09,198 --> 00:30:12,118
Speaker 1: would be diminished historically. I don't think people would accept

694
00:30:12,158 --> 00:30:15,398
Speaker 1: it fully accept it that way. But you mentioned Joe,

695
00:30:15,558 --> 00:30:17,118
Speaker 1: it is a part of this game. We see it

696
00:30:17,158 --> 00:30:19,398
Speaker 1: more and more having position players on the mound. We

697
00:30:19,438 --> 00:30:21,358
Speaker 1: see it now even with teams up by more than

698
00:30:21,358 --> 00:30:23,958
Speaker 1: eight runs, just to save pitching. I don't like it,

699
00:30:24,358 --> 00:30:27,398
Speaker 1: but I will say, Joe, I don't think there's an alternative.

700
00:30:27,838 --> 00:30:30,038
Speaker 1: You can't have a mercy rule. You know, some of

701
00:30:30,078 --> 00:30:32,278
Speaker 1: the people are in the ballpark going to their only

702
00:30:32,318 --> 00:30:34,678
Speaker 1: game that year. They're having a good time. You can't

703
00:30:34,718 --> 00:30:37,438
Speaker 1: tell these people to go home game over right. I

704
00:30:37,518 --> 00:30:39,718
Speaker 1: just don't think there's a workaround to it. It's just

705
00:30:40,158 --> 00:30:41,918
Speaker 1: I think it's an uglier side of the game that

706
00:30:41,958 --> 00:30:42,918
Speaker 1: we just have to live with.

707
00:30:43,318 --> 00:30:46,038
Speaker 3: Agreed. I mean we hate it. I mean I hate it.

708
00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:49,038
Speaker 2: As a manager, I hate putting out good pitching in

709
00:30:49,078 --> 00:30:53,238
Speaker 2: a horrible situation like that. It's offensive to my sensibilities.

710
00:30:53,638 --> 00:30:55,998
Speaker 2: It's almost like, also, like this came up the other night.

711
00:30:56,198 --> 00:30:59,078
Speaker 2: Somebody was pitching and they're getting their butt kicked early on,

712
00:30:59,198 --> 00:31:02,518
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden the game became lopsided. And

713
00:31:02,558 --> 00:31:04,958
Speaker 2: the part I hated about that that then you're asking

714
00:31:04,998 --> 00:31:07,838
Speaker 2: your players to play a legitimate major league game when

715
00:31:07,838 --> 00:31:11,718
Speaker 2: they're down so heavily, and the mental component of that's very,

716
00:31:11,838 --> 00:31:14,558
Speaker 2: very taxing. In today's world, there's only a couple bench

717
00:31:14,638 --> 00:31:17,638
Speaker 2: guys normally, and so you really can't get guys off

718
00:31:17,678 --> 00:31:20,118
Speaker 2: of their feet, which is always a big thing, and

719
00:31:20,198 --> 00:31:21,518
Speaker 2: so it's one of the things I used to like

720
00:31:21,558 --> 00:31:24,358
Speaker 2: about the September call ups more than anything was the

721
00:31:24,398 --> 00:31:26,638
Speaker 2: fact that because we were in it often that in

722
00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:28,358
Speaker 2: a bad game, or even in a good game, I

723
00:31:28,358 --> 00:31:30,918
Speaker 2: could get some guys off of their feet. But I

724
00:31:30,918 --> 00:31:32,958
Speaker 2: would really be aware of that as a manager. I'm

725
00:31:32,958 --> 00:31:35,998
Speaker 2: talking a regular season game. It starts going bad early.

726
00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:37,718
Speaker 2: When do you pull the trigger and get that guy

727
00:31:37,718 --> 00:31:39,998
Speaker 2: out of there? You're trying to save your bullpen, but

728
00:31:40,198 --> 00:31:42,118
Speaker 2: at some and that's probably.

729
00:31:41,878 --> 00:31:43,318
Speaker 3: The more important component to it.

730
00:31:43,358 --> 00:31:46,198
Speaker 2: But then again, you got your guys out there just

731
00:31:46,358 --> 00:31:49,238
Speaker 2: frying on a hot day, and the game's really hard

732
00:31:49,238 --> 00:31:50,878
Speaker 2: to get into, and they're just going to get out

733
00:31:50,918 --> 00:31:53,518
Speaker 2: there and just become fatigued without any real shot at

734
00:31:53,558 --> 00:31:55,358
Speaker 2: coming back. That would bother me, and that would think

735
00:31:55,398 --> 00:31:58,118
Speaker 2: about it. I hate it to waste good pitching in

736
00:31:58,198 --> 00:31:58,758
Speaker 2: a bad game.

737
00:31:58,878 --> 00:31:59,358
Speaker 3: Hated it.

738
00:31:59,798 --> 00:32:02,598
Speaker 1: Tell me where you're at on the Philadelphia Phillies, Joe,

739
00:32:02,638 --> 00:32:06,038
Speaker 1: they have four more games remaining with the New York Mets. Uh,

740
00:32:06,318 --> 00:32:08,918
Speaker 1: those are in Philadelphia. We know how much trouble Philly

741
00:32:08,918 --> 00:32:12,318
Speaker 1: has winning at City Field, But I'm assuming you like

742
00:32:12,438 --> 00:32:15,078
Speaker 1: them to hang on to win the division. They're also

743
00:32:15,158 --> 00:32:18,438
Speaker 1: in a race to make sure they get the right seed.

744
00:32:18,558 --> 00:32:20,398
Speaker 1: You know you want that buy in the first round,

745
00:32:20,478 --> 00:32:22,118
Speaker 1: right They're in a battle with the Cubs and the

746
00:32:22,158 --> 00:32:24,678
Speaker 1: Dodgers there. They were separated just by one game those

747
00:32:24,678 --> 00:32:28,158
Speaker 1: three teams, so that would matter, and I'm sure I

748
00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:30,638
Speaker 1: think Rob Thompson would manage that way. John, I'm assuming

749
00:32:30,678 --> 00:32:32,998
Speaker 1: you would as well to try to get that number

750
00:32:32,998 --> 00:32:33,798
Speaker 1: two seed.

751
00:32:34,038 --> 00:32:35,718
Speaker 2: Of course, and I think it's gonna be different when

752
00:32:35,718 --> 00:32:37,518
Speaker 2: they get to Philadelphia. I watched the game a lot

753
00:32:37,518 --> 00:32:40,478
Speaker 2: of the games in New York. The kid was at McLean.

754
00:32:40,518 --> 00:32:42,558
Speaker 1: What's the what's the kids down with Nolan McLean?

755
00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:46,638
Speaker 3: Dude, Listen, that was the year A fan with pretty special.

756
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:48,638
Speaker 2: What I was saying, I was seeing like Kyle Hendricks

757
00:32:48,678 --> 00:32:52,078
Speaker 2: with ten more miles an hour on everything, the front

758
00:32:52,158 --> 00:32:55,878
Speaker 2: hip comebacker to the lefties, the breaking ball that really

759
00:32:55,958 --> 00:32:59,118
Speaker 2: was spun at a high level and for both sides.

760
00:32:59,198 --> 00:33:02,238
Speaker 2: Righty's and lefties both had a hard time with it. Now,

761
00:33:03,078 --> 00:33:05,038
Speaker 2: what I had heard was that he actually pitching better

762
00:33:05,078 --> 00:33:07,158
Speaker 2: now than he had in Triple A, which kind of

763
00:33:07,198 --> 00:33:10,038
Speaker 2: like concerning us a little bit. But the guy's a

764
00:33:10,038 --> 00:33:12,958
Speaker 2: great athlete quarterback in college all this kind of stuff,

765
00:33:12,998 --> 00:33:16,278
Speaker 2: and he carries himself extremely well. He's the guy there

766
00:33:16,518 --> 00:33:19,198
Speaker 2: because they're pitching staff. When they has come back, I

767
00:33:19,278 --> 00:33:21,398
Speaker 2: think it is really having a hard time, you know.

768
00:33:21,438 --> 00:33:23,838
Speaker 2: There Peterson, he was the one go to guy. So

769
00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:27,198
Speaker 2: they're starting pitching has really been in flux, and that's

770
00:33:27,398 --> 00:33:29,358
Speaker 2: that would be very concerning. So they got off a

771
00:33:29,358 --> 00:33:31,678
Speaker 2: little bit in New York. They caught Philly at the

772
00:33:31,718 --> 00:33:33,958
Speaker 2: right time there. I think it's going to turn out

773
00:33:33,958 --> 00:33:37,238
Speaker 2: differently when they get to Philadelphia. So overarching, overall, I

774
00:33:37,758 --> 00:33:40,278
Speaker 2: do like the Phillies better than the Mets now and

775
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:40,958
Speaker 2: in the future.

776
00:33:41,198 --> 00:33:42,638
Speaker 3: So I still think the Phillies are going to hang

777
00:33:42,638 --> 00:33:43,158
Speaker 3: on and do it.

778
00:33:43,238 --> 00:33:48,278
Speaker 2: But that kid, that was very interesting to me. The

779
00:33:48,598 --> 00:33:51,238
Speaker 2: front hip comebacker. Okay, Bartolo Cologne. He had like a

780
00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:55,598
Speaker 2: Bartolo Cologne front hip against the lefties. That's spectacular. I

781
00:33:55,638 --> 00:33:57,838
Speaker 2: don't know if that always looks like that, but he

782
00:33:57,878 --> 00:33:59,238
Speaker 2: won me over with that one outing.

783
00:33:59,398 --> 00:34:01,318
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. The fact you

784
00:34:01,398 --> 00:34:04,398
Speaker 1: mentioned quarterback and I watched Bubba chan I'm not sure

785
00:34:04,398 --> 00:34:07,558
Speaker 1: if you've seen him pitch yet for the Pirates, but wow,

786
00:34:07,838 --> 00:34:09,678
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a scholarship offer to go to

787
00:34:09,718 --> 00:34:12,238
Speaker 1: Clemson to be a quarterback. He would be a two

788
00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:15,278
Speaker 1: sports star there. But the Pirates were able to sign him.

789
00:34:15,278 --> 00:34:17,518
Speaker 1: It's a great story because they you know, they took

790
00:34:17,558 --> 00:34:19,998
Speaker 1: Henry Davis with the first pick, and you know, they

791
00:34:20,038 --> 00:34:22,718
Speaker 1: save some money in the bonus pool and they use

792
00:34:22,758 --> 00:34:25,238
Speaker 1: a lot of that. He signed Bubba Chandler out of

793
00:34:25,278 --> 00:34:28,838
Speaker 1: high school for three million dollars and watching this kid pitch,

794
00:34:29,718 --> 00:34:33,638
Speaker 1: my goodness, that is a special fastball, really good athlete.

795
00:34:33,918 --> 00:34:36,798
Speaker 1: Love his armstroke, and it's kind of like Paul Skians.

796
00:34:36,838 --> 00:34:39,758
Speaker 1: Paul Skans was a catcher. Know, he's a two way player.

797
00:34:39,998 --> 00:34:42,518
Speaker 1: He didn't become really a full time pitcher until he

798
00:34:42,558 --> 00:34:44,878
Speaker 1: went to LSU, so he's only been doing that for

799
00:34:44,878 --> 00:34:47,118
Speaker 1: what four or five years, And the same with Bubba Chandler.

800
00:34:47,158 --> 00:34:50,438
Speaker 1: I love these starting pitchers, especially who are really good athletes,

801
00:34:50,438 --> 00:34:53,838
Speaker 1: played other sports, maybe played other positions rather than in

802
00:34:53,878 --> 00:34:56,078
Speaker 1: today's world, since you're ten years old, you're a pitcher

803
00:34:56,118 --> 00:34:58,478
Speaker 1: only and that's all that you do. I'm telling you

804
00:34:58,558 --> 00:35:01,358
Speaker 1: that the Pirates, they're just a couple of bats away.

805
00:35:01,358 --> 00:35:03,278
Speaker 1: And I realized I was saying that you're talking about

806
00:35:03,278 --> 00:35:05,238
Speaker 1: thirty home running h or middle of the order bats,

807
00:35:05,278 --> 00:35:09,118
Speaker 1: not just complimentary bats, but their pitching staff. If you

808
00:35:09,198 --> 00:35:13,238
Speaker 1: watch Braxton Ashcraft pitch, I mean he is spectacular. They've

809
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,918
Speaker 1: got the makings of almost reminds me of the twenty

810
00:35:15,958 --> 00:35:18,318
Speaker 1: fourteen to fifteen New York Mets with the young pitching

811
00:35:18,478 --> 00:35:20,958
Speaker 1: arms that they have. They just need to find more offense.

812
00:35:20,998 --> 00:35:24,438
Speaker 1: But Bubba Chandler to me is I think, to me,

813
00:35:24,518 --> 00:35:27,278
Speaker 1: he's the top pitching prospect in all of baseball when

814
00:35:27,278 --> 00:35:29,558
Speaker 1: they watch him throw and his mechanics, to me, I

815
00:35:29,558 --> 00:35:30,598
Speaker 1: would have him number one.

816
00:35:30,718 --> 00:35:32,878
Speaker 2: I've not seen him it, I'll definitely make a point

817
00:35:32,878 --> 00:35:34,678
Speaker 2: to watch him. Wasn't it just a kid by name

818
00:35:34,718 --> 00:35:36,678
Speaker 2: of Jones there also that throws really well.

819
00:35:36,758 --> 00:35:39,718
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared Jones. He's been out the whole year. A

820
00:35:39,758 --> 00:35:43,158
Speaker 1: little bit concerned about him, Joe, because he's like five

821
00:35:43,238 --> 00:35:45,638
Speaker 1: foot ten, you know, one hundred and eighty pounds throwing

822
00:35:45,678 --> 00:35:49,078
Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. Just from a starting pitching perspective,

823
00:35:49,398 --> 00:35:52,638
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to keep up and withstand the

824
00:35:52,758 --> 00:35:55,238
Speaker 1: torque and the amount of pressure it puts on an

825
00:35:55,318 --> 00:35:56,958
Speaker 1: arm if you don't have the body to withstand it

826
00:35:56,998 --> 00:35:59,638
Speaker 1: when you're throwing one hundred. But yeah, that's a special

827
00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:00,278
Speaker 1: arm as well.

828
00:36:00,478 --> 00:36:02,958
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done a nice job with all of that stuff,

829
00:36:02,958 --> 00:36:05,678
Speaker 2: and like you're talking talking about there, they're missing the

830
00:36:05,758 --> 00:36:10,558
Speaker 2: power and know they're considered small market, I guess in Pittsburgh.

831
00:36:10,718 --> 00:36:12,998
Speaker 2: I just I've always loved the franchise. I love the city.

832
00:36:13,158 --> 00:36:15,158
Speaker 2: I was a quasi pirate fan kid growing up. I

833
00:36:15,198 --> 00:36:16,798
Speaker 2: was big on Clementi and all the guys. I love

834
00:36:16,838 --> 00:36:19,078
Speaker 2: their uniforms, so I've always you're always looking for them

835
00:36:19,078 --> 00:36:21,758
Speaker 2: to turn it around and get things going in the

836
00:36:21,798 --> 00:36:24,718
Speaker 2: right direction. Not a better place to start than some

837
00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:27,518
Speaker 2: really legitimate arms right there. So again I don't know

838
00:36:27,558 --> 00:36:30,078
Speaker 2: they're overarching philosophy, what they're trying to get done, and

839
00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:32,558
Speaker 2: what they're doing in the minor leagues, et cetera. But

840
00:36:32,678 --> 00:36:34,278
Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff you don't want to waste.

841
00:36:34,518 --> 00:36:36,398
Speaker 2: You get pitching like that, you don't want to waste

842
00:36:36,438 --> 00:36:39,518
Speaker 2: those kind of arms and just be mediocre man, because

843
00:36:39,518 --> 00:36:41,678
Speaker 2: they're there. Of course, I believe what you're saying. I

844
00:36:41,678 --> 00:36:43,838
Speaker 2: can't wait to watch this kid and then schemes of course,

845
00:36:43,878 --> 00:36:46,478
Speaker 2: and they have others too, so we'll see how it

846
00:36:46,518 --> 00:36:48,958
Speaker 2: plays out. But I'm excited to watch this guy. They

847
00:36:48,998 --> 00:36:50,798
Speaker 2: need to get whatever it is that you know they

848
00:36:51,238 --> 00:36:54,118
Speaker 2: exit philosophically. I don't know what it is, but it's

849
00:36:54,118 --> 00:36:56,718
Speaker 2: got to turn because they have a lot of potentialities

850
00:36:56,758 --> 00:36:58,478
Speaker 2: going on there and I love to see it work well.

851
00:36:58,558 --> 00:36:58,758
Speaker 3: Joe.

852
00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:02,038
Speaker 1: Early on I mentioned Michael Jordan's story we need to

853
00:37:02,078 --> 00:37:05,438
Speaker 1: get to It does not involve the way socks or baseball,

854
00:37:05,758 --> 00:37:09,078
Speaker 1: but it involves another one of you or favorite topics.

855
00:37:09,398 --> 00:37:11,598
Speaker 1: We'll dive into that right after this on the Book

856
00:37:11,598 --> 00:37:25,798
Speaker 1: of Joe. Welcome back to the Book of Joe. Joe.

857
00:37:25,838 --> 00:37:28,678
Speaker 1: I know you like cars. Has there ever been like

858
00:37:28,998 --> 00:37:31,918
Speaker 1: a dream car for you that you still don't have

859
00:37:31,998 --> 00:37:32,958
Speaker 1: that you'd love to have?

860
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:35,278
Speaker 3: Yes, so there is as a matter of fact.

861
00:37:35,598 --> 00:37:39,878
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty eighth im polla convertible or bill Air convertible,

862
00:37:40,038 --> 00:37:41,678
Speaker 2: fifty eight, the fifty.

863
00:37:41,398 --> 00:37:43,198
Speaker 3: Eighth shau, Yeah, that'd be awesome.

864
00:37:43,238 --> 00:37:45,118
Speaker 2: The fifty eight, you know, that was between like those

865
00:37:45,318 --> 00:37:48,158
Speaker 2: fifty five, fifty six, fifty seven with the fins, and

866
00:37:48,158 --> 00:37:50,238
Speaker 2: then fifty nine. It came back to the big fins

867
00:37:50,238 --> 00:37:52,358
Speaker 2: because I have a fifty nine, Oh Camino. They were

868
00:37:52,398 --> 00:37:54,838
Speaker 2: just different. The Camino fins were kind of like they

869
00:37:54,838 --> 00:37:57,518
Speaker 2: spread out, almost looked like eyeballs. If you look at

870
00:37:57,518 --> 00:37:59,678
Speaker 2: it from the back like a bees eese or something.

871
00:37:59,718 --> 00:38:02,598
Speaker 2: And then the fifty seven, of course had the fins

872
00:38:02,638 --> 00:38:05,078
Speaker 2: sticking straight up. At the fifty I've always thought was

873
00:38:05,118 --> 00:38:07,558
Speaker 2: one of the prettiest cars I've ever seen. And they

874
00:38:07,598 --> 00:38:10,438
Speaker 2: also had the exposed Spirit tire in the back that

875
00:38:10,558 --> 00:38:13,318
Speaker 2: was part of it also kind of rides behind the trunk.

876
00:38:13,478 --> 00:38:16,278
Speaker 2: That's been the one car that I mentally pursued. I

877
00:38:16,278 --> 00:38:18,958
Speaker 2: haven't done it yet, but a fifty eight Chevy and

878
00:38:19,078 --> 00:38:20,438
Speaker 2: Pala Slash bell.

879
00:38:20,398 --> 00:38:22,478
Speaker 3: Air convertible blue be fine.

880
00:38:22,558 --> 00:38:25,678
Speaker 2: I would prefer having an ls Enginet of some kind,

881
00:38:25,758 --> 00:38:28,318
Speaker 2: not the old whatever that they possessed at that time,

882
00:38:28,358 --> 00:38:30,398
Speaker 2: the two eighties whatever, that would be it.

883
00:38:30,398 --> 00:38:31,038
Speaker 3: It's the best.

884
00:38:31,398 --> 00:38:33,918
Speaker 1: There's a place in Miami that can help you. It's

885
00:38:33,918 --> 00:38:38,398
Speaker 1: a place called Curated Vintage Supercars, and they actually will

886
00:38:38,398 --> 00:38:42,078
Speaker 1: try to find these vintage or you know, really rare

887
00:38:42,638 --> 00:38:46,358
Speaker 1: especially sports cars. And this is a story from them

888
00:38:46,998 --> 00:38:51,718
Speaker 1: in their hunt to try to find this Ferrari Testerosa

889
00:38:51,798 --> 00:38:55,558
Speaker 1: that Michael Jordan bought in February nineteen ninety two. Now

890
00:38:55,598 --> 00:38:58,318
Speaker 1: this is the height of the bulls in Jordan's dominance.

891
00:38:58,398 --> 00:39:01,558
Speaker 1: Right February of ninety two, he buys this Ferrari TR

892
00:39:01,678 --> 00:39:04,398
Speaker 1: five twelve tr in your old neck the woods up

893
00:39:04,398 --> 00:39:07,878
Speaker 1: in Lake Forest. Right, there's an iconic picture, I think

894
00:39:07,878 --> 00:39:09,878
Speaker 1: it was an SI picture of Jordan showing up for

895
00:39:09,878 --> 00:39:12,078
Speaker 1: a playoff game against the Knicks and he's getting out

896
00:39:12,118 --> 00:39:15,198
Speaker 1: of his black Ferrari and there's like five or six

897
00:39:15,238 --> 00:39:18,358
Speaker 1: security guards around him outside the United Center. It's like

898
00:39:18,438 --> 00:39:21,878
Speaker 1: the height of Michael's kingdom, right, I mean, he looks

899
00:39:21,998 --> 00:39:26,198
Speaker 1: every bit the crown prince of basketball. Superstar. Well, they

900
00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:29,998
Speaker 1: wanted to find this car and they were tracing what

901
00:39:30,238 --> 00:39:35,438
Speaker 1: happened to the car Now was Michael didn't travel discreetly.

902
00:39:35,558 --> 00:39:38,438
Speaker 1: He had a license plate that said m Air j

903
00:39:39,078 --> 00:39:43,638
Speaker 1: driving around in a black Ferrari. So he got he

904
00:39:43,678 --> 00:39:46,398
Speaker 1: had noticed, right, and why not, You're Michael Jordan. So

905
00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:49,078
Speaker 1: in October of nineteen ninety five they found out he

906
00:39:49,198 --> 00:39:52,678
Speaker 1: sells the car to a guy named Chris Gardner. Now,

907
00:39:52,718 --> 00:39:55,758
Speaker 1: I don't know if that name sounds familiarated Chris Gardner,

908
00:39:55,998 --> 00:39:59,118
Speaker 1: but if you remember the movie The Pursuit of Happiness

909
00:39:59,398 --> 00:40:02,078
Speaker 1: with Will Smith that was based on the life of

910
00:40:02,118 --> 00:40:04,758
Speaker 1: a guy named Chris Gardner who went from being homeless

911
00:40:04,998 --> 00:40:08,598
Speaker 1: to being a millionaire, stockbroker, and his inspiration happened to

912
00:40:08,638 --> 00:40:10,838
Speaker 1: be One day he met a guy driving a Ferrari

913
00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:13,758
Speaker 1: and he asked the guy, man, how did you get that?

914
00:40:13,798 --> 00:40:15,998
Speaker 1: How did you earn that? He says, I'm a stockbroker,

915
00:40:16,198 --> 00:40:17,758
Speaker 1: and Chris Gardner says, well, don't you have to go

916
00:40:17,798 --> 00:40:19,478
Speaker 1: to college to be He's like, no, you don't have

917
00:40:19,478 --> 00:40:20,958
Speaker 1: to go to college. You just have to be good

918
00:40:20,958 --> 00:40:24,078
Speaker 1: with numbers and good with people. Long story is short,

919
00:40:24,398 --> 00:40:27,598
Speaker 1: Chris Gardner becomes a millionaire being a stockbroker, and he

920
00:40:27,638 --> 00:40:30,838
Speaker 1: buys himself a Ferrari, not just any Ferrari, but Michael

921
00:40:30,958 --> 00:40:34,918
Speaker 1: Jordan's Ferrari. Now Chris Gardner also gets a vanity license

922
00:40:34,958 --> 00:40:37,518
Speaker 1: plate and his license plate says, not.

923
00:40:37,878 --> 00:40:42,078
Speaker 3: Mj that's outstanding.

924
00:40:42,198 --> 00:40:44,918
Speaker 1: Well, flash forward, they find out in twenty ten the

925
00:40:44,998 --> 00:40:47,798
Speaker 1: car is sold at auction and it's sold to a

926
00:40:47,838 --> 00:40:51,238
Speaker 1: guy in Los Angeles. And you know, he's not a

927
00:40:51,438 --> 00:40:54,118
Speaker 1: Hollywood star, he's not NBA player. This guy buys the

928
00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:57,998
Speaker 1: car at auction out in LA and nine months after

929
00:40:58,038 --> 00:41:01,198
Speaker 1: the guy buys the car, he's diagnosed with bone cancer,

930
00:41:01,518 --> 00:41:04,758
Speaker 1: and so he puts the car away and actually, if

931
00:41:04,758 --> 00:41:07,758
Speaker 1: things turn out fine, he beats cancer. But had the

932
00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:12,558
Speaker 1: car basically locked up in his garage for fifteen years,

933
00:41:12,918 --> 00:41:16,078
Speaker 1: doesn't drive it at all. Well long behold the wildfires

934
00:41:16,118 --> 00:41:21,198
Speaker 1: hit in California last January. The whole neighborhood is scorched

935
00:41:21,798 --> 00:41:26,838
Speaker 1: except this guy's home and his garage. The car is untouched.

936
00:41:27,358 --> 00:41:30,998
Speaker 1: So they finally tracked the car down. They find it.

937
00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:33,518
Speaker 1: The guy's are now probably in his eighties or nineties.

938
00:41:33,558 --> 00:41:36,038
Speaker 1: Who owns the car, and it's like, listen, it's a

939
00:41:36,078 --> 00:41:38,238
Speaker 1: young man's car. I really can't drive it anymore. I

940
00:41:38,278 --> 00:41:40,678
Speaker 1: will sell it to you. So this place in Miami

941
00:41:40,758 --> 00:41:43,238
Speaker 1: buys the car from this guy. They promise him that

942
00:41:43,318 --> 00:41:46,358
Speaker 1: once they have it restored and fixed up rate running condition,

943
00:41:46,718 --> 00:41:49,238
Speaker 1: they're going to let him drive the car just once.

944
00:41:49,318 --> 00:41:51,318
Speaker 1: That's all he wants to do, drive it around the block.

945
00:41:51,598 --> 00:41:54,078
Speaker 1: And Joe, the kicker to the story, is to restore

946
00:41:54,158 --> 00:41:57,518
Speaker 1: the car. These guys in Miami are sending the car

947
00:41:57,638 --> 00:42:01,558
Speaker 1: to Italy to have the artisans at Ferrari work on it,

948
00:42:01,638 --> 00:42:04,318
Speaker 1: because they consider it like a work of art. They're

949
00:42:04,358 --> 00:42:06,478
Speaker 1: just not going to give it to any pep boys

950
00:42:06,518 --> 00:42:09,278
Speaker 1: shop and have people work on it. They're sending it

951
00:42:09,478 --> 00:42:11,758
Speaker 1: over to Italy. They're going to put a quarter of

952
00:42:11,798 --> 00:42:14,158
Speaker 1: a million dollars of work into the car. It's probably

953
00:42:14,158 --> 00:42:16,958
Speaker 1: four times the value of the car itself. So Michael

954
00:42:17,038 --> 00:42:20,118
Speaker 1: Jordan's Ferrari is going to be restored. I don't know

955
00:42:20,118 --> 00:42:21,958
Speaker 1: what they do with it after that, but it sounds

956
00:42:21,998 --> 00:42:24,078
Speaker 1: to me like they should, I don't know, put it

957
00:42:24,078 --> 00:42:27,038
Speaker 1: on display or maybe sell it to somebody who wants

958
00:42:27,038 --> 00:42:29,758
Speaker 1: to keep the legacy going. But I love the providence

959
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:32,198
Speaker 1: of things like this. I'm a big fan of history, Joe.

960
00:42:32,238 --> 00:42:36,478
Speaker 1: I think there's stories behind everything that we touch and

961
00:42:36,918 --> 00:42:39,278
Speaker 1: every place we go to. And when I hear stories

962
00:42:39,318 --> 00:42:41,518
Speaker 1: like this, I think it's so cool that they're honoring

963
00:42:41,558 --> 00:42:44,238
Speaker 1: the legacy. And it's just a car. I get it.

964
00:42:44,358 --> 00:42:46,718
Speaker 1: You say, just the car, But Joe, I know you

965
00:42:46,758 --> 00:42:49,878
Speaker 1: appreciate the stories and the meeting behind what a car is.

966
00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:52,758
Speaker 2: Use the word art as you were describing the whole thing,

967
00:42:52,798 --> 00:42:55,198
Speaker 2: and that's we've talked about that. We talked about that

968
00:42:55,238 --> 00:42:58,398
Speaker 2: in the book. Also regarding the art form of the

969
00:42:58,718 --> 00:43:02,958
Speaker 2: cars of yesteryear. I have several fifty six fel Air,

970
00:43:03,358 --> 00:43:07,358
Speaker 2: the fifty nine Camino, seventy two Chevelle convertible, and even

971
00:43:07,398 --> 00:43:10,998
Speaker 2: my seventy six Dodge Van Tradesman two hundred, which I absolutely.

972
00:43:10,678 --> 00:43:11,358
Speaker 3: Love on a door.

973
00:43:11,478 --> 00:43:12,998
Speaker 2: One of the best vehicles I've ever had was in

974
00:43:13,078 --> 00:43:16,558
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety or fifty four SS Chevy pickup. Limited number

975
00:43:16,558 --> 00:43:18,878
Speaker 2: of those made, but that things drives so well. It's

976
00:43:18,958 --> 00:43:21,198
Speaker 2: just a different feel, and of course the four to

977
00:43:21,238 --> 00:43:24,758
Speaker 2: fifty four engine makes it fun. But everyone is I

978
00:43:24,758 --> 00:43:27,078
Speaker 2: could be standing I don't know what one hundred yards away.

979
00:43:27,078 --> 00:43:29,038
Speaker 3: If I could actually see that far, I could tell

980
00:43:29,038 --> 00:43:29,798
Speaker 3: you which one it is.

981
00:43:30,158 --> 00:43:33,478
Speaker 2: We put like six or seven cars today's cars out

982
00:43:33,518 --> 00:43:36,198
Speaker 2: in a discernible distance and make them all the same color.

983
00:43:36,238 --> 00:43:38,318
Speaker 2: You can't tell them apart because they're all They're going

984
00:43:38,398 --> 00:43:41,038
Speaker 2: to be white, gray, or black. And from a distance

985
00:43:41,078 --> 00:43:43,638
Speaker 2: it's really hard to tell the lines. But I'm telling

986
00:43:43,678 --> 00:43:46,398
Speaker 2: you from the fifty nine with the fins in the back,

987
00:43:46,598 --> 00:43:48,878
Speaker 2: the even the fifty six spell there. You have to

988
00:43:48,878 --> 00:43:51,198
Speaker 2: know the difference between the fifty five and the fifty six,

989
00:43:51,238 --> 00:43:53,398
Speaker 2: and I would just have them facing me from the

990
00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:55,678
Speaker 2: front side of the grill. Much easier to determine the

991
00:43:55,718 --> 00:43:58,198
Speaker 2: difference with those two. And of course the fifty seven

992
00:43:58,278 --> 00:44:00,318
Speaker 2: completely different, but you knew what it was.

993
00:44:00,358 --> 00:44:01,198
Speaker 3: And that's when.

994
00:44:01,158 --> 00:44:05,358
Speaker 2: Multiple colors were two tone was popular, where today cars

995
00:44:05,438 --> 00:44:07,198
Speaker 2: just get dipped once and they throw them out there

996
00:44:07,198 --> 00:44:11,078
Speaker 2: and they put an interior interior in them, whereas I'm

997
00:44:11,118 --> 00:44:13,438
Speaker 2: sure they cost prohibitive in a sense to get the

998
00:44:13,478 --> 00:44:15,878
Speaker 2: two tone made. Maybe that's part of why they don't

999
00:44:15,878 --> 00:44:18,078
Speaker 2: do them anymore, apart because maybe people don't.

1000
00:44:17,838 --> 00:44:20,198
Speaker 3: Want them, but that was part of the artwork. The chrome.

1001
00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:21,198
Speaker 3: I love chrome.

1002
00:44:21,318 --> 00:44:23,238
Speaker 2: I don't like chrome on my shortstop, but I love

1003
00:44:23,278 --> 00:44:25,878
Speaker 2: it on my fifty six bell Air. You know, it's

1004
00:44:25,918 --> 00:44:28,478
Speaker 2: just the way they did things, man. And the interior

1005
00:44:28,518 --> 00:44:31,918
Speaker 2: is the fifty nine el Camino has this like pattern

1006
00:44:32,038 --> 00:44:35,038
Speaker 2: checkered pattern red interior with like the you know, the

1007
00:44:35,158 --> 00:44:39,358
Speaker 2: fake vinyl pleather leather trimming around the interior, which is

1008
00:44:39,398 --> 00:44:42,518
Speaker 2: just really groovy red kind of stuff, with the red

1009
00:44:43,278 --> 00:44:46,438
Speaker 2: solid red, same color red dash which is metal. Of course,

1010
00:44:46,478 --> 00:44:48,798
Speaker 2: if you hit your head on that, it's gonna hurt that.

1011
00:44:48,998 --> 00:44:51,558
Speaker 2: They just don't do it. And of course i'm describing

1012
00:44:51,918 --> 00:44:54,558
Speaker 2: a non safe kind of a situation compared to what

1013
00:44:54,598 --> 00:44:58,238
Speaker 2: we have today. Of Course, you love drubbing driving today's vehicles.

1014
00:44:58,318 --> 00:45:00,798
Speaker 2: But as it comes to art, as it pertains to art,

1015
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:04,398
Speaker 2: as it pertains to universality, that never gets it is

1016
00:45:04,438 --> 00:45:06,038
Speaker 2: always attractive.

1017
00:45:06,078 --> 00:45:09,398
Speaker 3: That's what these cars had and have, so them doing this.

1018
00:45:09,718 --> 00:45:13,198
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm in on that, and I think it's fabulous.

1019
00:45:13,238 --> 00:45:15,438
Speaker 2: I'd love to see a picture of that. And after

1020
00:45:15,758 --> 00:45:17,318
Speaker 2: at the end of all this, is it gonna if

1021
00:45:17,358 --> 00:45:19,438
Speaker 2: they're gonna sell, is it gonna get even more money?

1022
00:45:19,598 --> 00:45:21,438
Speaker 2: Based on the fact that it's been rehabed like that,

1023
00:45:21,758 --> 00:45:23,398
Speaker 2: and the fact that Jordan had it and all this,

1024
00:45:23,558 --> 00:45:26,318
Speaker 2: and also this other gentleman that became the stockbroker. I mean,

1025
00:45:26,638 --> 00:45:28,798
Speaker 2: there's a there's a great history behind that. I've bet

1026
00:45:28,838 --> 00:45:30,758
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna go a million on that at some point.

1027
00:45:31,038 --> 00:45:33,918
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, when there's meeting, when there's story is

1028
00:45:33,958 --> 00:45:37,198
Speaker 1: behind something, there's added value, there's no question. And to

1029
00:45:37,238 --> 00:45:40,358
Speaker 1: your point, Joe, looking at this year the top twenty

1030
00:45:40,438 --> 00:45:44,478
Speaker 1: five the highest selling cars in the US, nineteen of

1031
00:45:44,558 --> 00:45:48,918
Speaker 1: the top twenty five are sport utility vehicles or pickups. Sure,

1032
00:45:49,198 --> 00:45:51,038
Speaker 1: I mean, and if you can tell a sportage from

1033
00:45:51,038 --> 00:45:54,278
Speaker 1: a cross track to a forester, you knock yourself out.

1034
00:45:54,518 --> 00:45:57,718
Speaker 1: I mean, look in a parking lot these days, folks

1035
00:45:57,958 --> 00:46:00,998
Speaker 1: and look at these. I guess they call them a crossover,

1036
00:46:01,118 --> 00:46:03,398
Speaker 1: sport utility whatever. You want to call them. There is

1037
00:46:03,438 --> 00:46:06,598
Speaker 1: a that has gone rampant. Now I'm not sure where

1038
00:46:06,638 --> 00:46:10,838
Speaker 1: this took off, but everybody wants one. I don't understand that.

1039
00:46:11,638 --> 00:46:14,198
Speaker 1: You know, these sport utilities have become that popular.

1040
00:46:14,478 --> 00:46:17,638
Speaker 2: I just recently purchased the Ford Expedition, and I was

1041
00:46:18,398 --> 00:46:21,638
Speaker 2: debating among that the Ford Expedition, the cheap Wagon here,

1042
00:46:21,638 --> 00:46:25,598
Speaker 2: Grand Wagoneer, and the Chevy Tahoe Slash Suburban, And so

1043
00:46:25,678 --> 00:46:28,158
Speaker 2: I drove them all and I settled on the Fort

1044
00:46:28,478 --> 00:46:30,478
Speaker 2: For one of the best things about it, I loved

1045
00:46:30,518 --> 00:46:32,358
Speaker 2: it was a V six with an echo boost engine.

1046
00:46:32,358 --> 00:46:35,038
Speaker 2: There's a twin turbo, and this thing really goes and

1047
00:46:35,118 --> 00:46:37,198
Speaker 2: as it really firms I mean a night when I

1048
00:46:37,198 --> 00:46:39,878
Speaker 2: say firms smooth, hugging the road kind of a ride,

1049
00:46:39,918 --> 00:46:41,758
Speaker 2: I thought. And plus it was the Platinum version, so

1050
00:46:41,798 --> 00:46:45,438
Speaker 2: the interior is really comfortable. It's a twenty twenty two

1051
00:46:45,438 --> 00:46:47,518
Speaker 2: that I purchased. I don't want to pay for all

1052
00:46:47,558 --> 00:46:49,118
Speaker 2: that that money. I'm gonna lose the moment it's front

1053
00:46:49,278 --> 00:46:51,878
Speaker 2: run out of the showroom floor. All the depreciation, I'm

1054
00:46:51,918 --> 00:46:53,238
Speaker 2: not into that. So I like a couple of year

1055
00:46:53,278 --> 00:46:55,318
Speaker 2: old vehicle. I thought I got a good deal. But

1056
00:46:55,478 --> 00:46:57,278
Speaker 2: I drove all the different vehicles and I was looking

1057
00:46:57,278 --> 00:47:00,238
Speaker 2: at like the interior basically comfort what I thought of him.

1058
00:47:00,518 --> 00:47:01,678
Speaker 3: You know what it looked like.

1059
00:47:01,718 --> 00:47:04,958
Speaker 2: It look more stable, secure, and the fact that it's

1060
00:47:04,998 --> 00:47:06,918
Speaker 2: gonna wear well or is it gonna be something I

1061
00:47:06,998 --> 00:47:08,758
Speaker 2: just I thought it was a little bit sincere looking

1062
00:47:08,838 --> 00:47:11,758
Speaker 2: lack of a better word. And then beyond that, like

1063
00:47:11,798 --> 00:47:14,118
Speaker 2: even what's become really important now, it seems is the

1064
00:47:14,758 --> 00:47:17,118
Speaker 2: GPS systems, the screens. And then when I got is

1065
00:47:17,158 --> 00:47:19,118
Speaker 2: a portrait in this thing, and I really I like

1066
00:47:19,198 --> 00:47:22,158
Speaker 2: that also having done the landscape for years. But I

1067
00:47:22,198 --> 00:47:23,718
Speaker 2: went through all these history on its and it really

1068
00:47:23,798 --> 00:47:25,238
Speaker 2: came down to I took it out of the highway,

1069
00:47:25,478 --> 00:47:27,678
Speaker 2: and damn, I just love the way this thing took off.

1070
00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:30,758
Speaker 2: The expedition, the twin turbos. I mean, it really does

1071
00:47:30,798 --> 00:47:33,678
Speaker 2: have some pop. Again, you could you could this could

1072
00:47:33,718 --> 00:47:34,918
Speaker 2: be the show. And I have a Chevy guy, and

1073
00:47:34,958 --> 00:47:37,478
Speaker 2: I went away from Chevy, and I probably would buy

1074
00:47:37,478 --> 00:47:38,438
Speaker 2: a Chevy normally.

1075
00:47:38,478 --> 00:47:38,798
Speaker 3: I've had.

1076
00:47:38,838 --> 00:47:40,918
Speaker 2: I have a Taha at twenty twelve Taha out front,

1077
00:47:40,918 --> 00:47:42,238
Speaker 2: and that's going to be a local car.

1078
00:47:42,358 --> 00:47:43,598
Speaker 3: But I kept an open.

1079
00:47:43,398 --> 00:47:47,158
Speaker 2: Mind and I settled on the expedition based on field

1080
00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:50,318
Speaker 2: and I did my research and different YouTube's got some

1081
00:47:50,358 --> 00:47:53,358
Speaker 2: great videos regarding evaluation. But then again you have to

1082
00:47:53,358 --> 00:47:55,638
Speaker 2: consider who's doing the evaluation. Is this guy or a

1083
00:47:55,678 --> 00:47:59,918
Speaker 2: woman getting paid by Ford or cheap or whomever. So anyhow,

1084
00:48:00,078 --> 00:48:01,998
Speaker 2: I know you're talking about I got it for my

1085
00:48:02,038 --> 00:48:04,638
Speaker 2: trip to Florida and back. I needed to extra room

1086
00:48:05,078 --> 00:48:06,838
Speaker 2: and the comfort, and I'm here to tell you I

1087
00:48:06,878 --> 00:48:09,758
Speaker 2: do dig it. But like you're suggesting and saying, from

1088
00:48:09,758 --> 00:48:11,998
Speaker 2: a distance, you parked them down the street, It's very

1089
00:48:11,998 --> 00:48:14,798
Speaker 2: difficult to tell that from a tahoe. The wagoner's got

1090
00:48:14,798 --> 00:48:16,318
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a distinct look. I think

1091
00:48:16,318 --> 00:48:16,718
Speaker 2: about it.

1092
00:48:17,038 --> 00:48:19,838
Speaker 3: But overall, we're just dealing with the same this and

1093
00:48:19,878 --> 00:48:20,678
Speaker 3: everything that we do.

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00:48:21,038 --> 00:48:23,518
Speaker 1: So while you're on the lookout for your dream car,

1095
00:48:23,718 --> 00:48:27,558
Speaker 1: if you ever come across an old rambler, and I

1096
00:48:27,638 --> 00:48:29,998
Speaker 1: can't I don't know the exact year, but my mom's

1097
00:48:30,038 --> 00:48:33,558
Speaker 1: green Rambler was probably around fifty nine, sixty sixty one

1098
00:48:33,638 --> 00:48:36,158
Speaker 1: somewhere around there. Okay, it might be hard to find

1099
00:48:36,158 --> 00:48:37,558
Speaker 1: one of those that's still actually running.

1100
00:48:37,598 --> 00:48:39,438
Speaker 2: I'll keep my eyes open, brother, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1101
00:48:39,438 --> 00:48:41,118
Speaker 2: start looking. I'm gonna start looking at what I did

1102
00:48:41,118 --> 00:48:43,478
Speaker 2: I bought. When I bought that four fifty four SS pickup,

1103
00:48:43,918 --> 00:48:46,358
Speaker 2: I was in spring training with the Rays. I'm in

1104
00:48:46,398 --> 00:48:48,958
Speaker 2: Port Charlotte, and I wanted a truck because I didn't

1105
00:48:48,958 --> 00:48:51,038
Speaker 2: have a truck anymore, and the utility of a truck

1106
00:48:51,118 --> 00:48:53,838
Speaker 2: is great. So I was driving a Highway forty one

1107
00:48:53,998 --> 00:48:56,518
Speaker 2: from the Almond Brothers down in that neck of the woods,

1108
00:48:56,878 --> 00:48:59,678
Speaker 2: and there was like some kind of a used actually

1109
00:48:59,758 --> 00:49:02,318
Speaker 2: a used car a lot that really was dealing in

1110
00:49:02,598 --> 00:49:05,238
Speaker 2: quote unquote classic car. And I drive in and I

1111
00:49:05,278 --> 00:49:07,478
Speaker 2: didn't have any particular I just looking for a truck,

1112
00:49:07,518 --> 00:49:10,278
Speaker 2: nothing in particular, and I drive around the back of Boom,

1113
00:49:10,318 --> 00:49:11,878
Speaker 2: there it is. It's sitting in the back kind of

1114
00:49:12,038 --> 00:49:14,358
Speaker 2: and it's sitting up real proud. And I just got

1115
00:49:14,678 --> 00:49:17,638
Speaker 2: online and I started researching it, and he never made

1116
00:49:17,718 --> 00:49:20,318
Speaker 2: and it's like the first cup of its kind that

1117
00:49:20,438 --> 00:49:23,358
Speaker 2: really led to other pickups being built along the same

1118
00:49:24,038 --> 00:49:28,958
Speaker 2: model of this four fifty four SS nineteen ninety Chevy pickups.

1119
00:49:28,998 --> 00:49:30,358
Speaker 2: So I bought it for like I think it was

1120
00:49:30,398 --> 00:49:33,238
Speaker 2: ten thousand bucks. The original sticker was in the glove

1121
00:49:33,278 --> 00:49:36,078
Speaker 2: box for eighteen thousand, and I've already been offered like

1122
00:49:36,118 --> 00:49:38,358
Speaker 2: forty fifty thousand for this thing. I've had it redone

1123
00:49:38,718 --> 00:49:43,038
Speaker 2: great paint job out west. Joey's relatives, my cousin, my son,

1124
00:49:43,118 --> 00:49:46,438
Speaker 2: Joey's relatives did it out there. Fabulous job inside and out,

1125
00:49:46,558 --> 00:49:47,918
Speaker 2: and it runs like a bear.

1126
00:49:48,278 --> 00:49:51,198
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know that's the thing, man. I found.

1127
00:49:51,238 --> 00:49:52,238
Speaker 3: My point is I found it.

1128
00:49:52,278 --> 00:49:54,718
Speaker 2: So next time I'm just driving around, I'm gonna look

1129
00:49:54,758 --> 00:49:55,958
Speaker 2: for that old rambler for you.

1130
00:49:56,238 --> 00:49:58,198
Speaker 3: We're gonna find it. We'll have it. We'll find that

1131
00:49:58,238 --> 00:49:59,358
Speaker 3: sucker somehow.

1132
00:49:59,358 --> 00:50:02,318
Speaker 1: And if it's not running, we'll make it runs. You

1133
00:50:02,398 --> 00:50:03,438
Speaker 1: know people who can make it.

1134
00:50:03,518 --> 00:50:04,638
Speaker 3: We people.

1135
00:50:06,398 --> 00:50:08,238
Speaker 1: Well, we've reached that time, Joe where you bring us

1136
00:50:08,278 --> 00:50:10,718
Speaker 1: home to end this episode of the Book of Joe.

1137
00:50:10,798 --> 00:50:11,958
Speaker 1: What do you have for us today?

1138
00:50:12,118 --> 00:50:15,318
Speaker 3: Well, it's the late Nobel laureate. His name was Herb Simon.

1139
00:50:15,358 --> 00:50:18,038
Speaker 2: I didn't really I don't know the man, but I

1140
00:50:18,118 --> 00:50:20,478
Speaker 2: was reading this yesterday and I thought it was pretty interesting.

1141
00:50:20,918 --> 00:50:23,998
Speaker 2: We talked about information a lot early on, and you know,

1142
00:50:24,038 --> 00:50:26,278
Speaker 2: how do we use all this information? There's so much

1143
00:50:26,318 --> 00:50:28,598
Speaker 2: of it out there, and you know, you were wonderful

1144
00:50:28,598 --> 00:50:30,638
Speaker 2: about supplying all the different things you already talked about

1145
00:50:30,638 --> 00:50:34,598
Speaker 2: earlier about ball in the air Yankees these the angles

1146
00:50:34,598 --> 00:50:36,158
Speaker 2: of their swings and other balls in the air. But

1147
00:50:36,358 --> 00:50:38,038
Speaker 2: just to call it down, and he said, a wealth

1148
00:50:38,078 --> 00:50:40,798
Speaker 2: of information creates a poverty of attention, and I had

1149
00:50:40,798 --> 00:50:43,998
Speaker 2: to read more. Key challenges for leaders in today's information

1150
00:50:44,238 --> 00:50:48,918
Speaker 2: ecosystem included not only collecting enough information, but also deciding

1151
00:50:48,918 --> 00:50:51,518
Speaker 2: where to direct their limited focus. Souse, That's the thing,

1152
00:50:51,638 --> 00:50:54,238
Speaker 2: like limited focus is like the keywords for me there,

1153
00:50:54,278 --> 00:50:57,558
Speaker 2: because analytically, I mean everybody, you want to provide all

1154
00:50:57,598 --> 00:50:59,358
Speaker 2: this information and I mean a lot of it.

1155
00:50:59,358 --> 00:51:00,318
Speaker 3: There's reams of it.

1156
00:51:00,318 --> 00:51:02,238
Speaker 2: It's like they're going to get to the playoffs right now,

1157
00:51:02,318 --> 00:51:04,798
Speaker 2: close to the playoffs, and then the playoff, and every

1158
00:51:05,798 --> 00:51:09,758
Speaker 2: organization is going to create these little novellas about each

1159
00:51:09,798 --> 00:51:11,478
Speaker 2: team that they're going to play, even though they've played

1160
00:51:11,518 --> 00:51:14,318
Speaker 2: them all year long, and even though you've seen them firsthand,

1161
00:51:14,358 --> 00:51:16,078
Speaker 2: and even though you know what you want to do

1162
00:51:16,118 --> 00:51:18,638
Speaker 2: against them, they're still going to do it. So with

1163
00:51:18,718 --> 00:51:21,958
Speaker 2: all this information at your disposal, we have limited focus.

1164
00:51:21,998 --> 00:51:23,438
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, titting the.

1165
00:51:23,438 --> 00:51:25,598
Speaker 2: Golf ball today, I mean trying to bet better with

1166
00:51:25,638 --> 00:51:28,238
Speaker 2: my driver and I can only hold one thought. I

1167
00:51:28,238 --> 00:51:29,918
Speaker 2: mean I did but I'll try to hold two or three,

1168
00:51:29,998 --> 00:51:31,358
Speaker 2: and then if I tried to hold two or three,

1169
00:51:31,478 --> 00:51:34,118
Speaker 2: obviously it never works out well. So in regards to

1170
00:51:34,198 --> 00:51:37,998
Speaker 2: all this glood of information that we're getting, and it's wonderful,

1171
00:51:38,038 --> 00:51:40,598
Speaker 2: but understand that we only have a limited focus. We

1172
00:51:40,638 --> 00:51:42,198
Speaker 2: can only hold on to so much, so you have

1173
00:51:42,238 --> 00:51:44,118
Speaker 2: to be able to the really better ones. I think,

1174
00:51:44,478 --> 00:51:47,358
Speaker 2: take this large pool of intel and they're able to

1175
00:51:47,358 --> 00:51:49,358
Speaker 2: call it down to the point where they hand out nuggets.

1176
00:51:49,358 --> 00:51:52,358
Speaker 2: I give you a nugget, Tommy, I give Vincent nugget.

1177
00:51:52,398 --> 00:51:54,638
Speaker 2: I give everybody I'm working with her a nugget. But

1178
00:51:54,638 --> 00:51:56,358
Speaker 2: you might be able to handle two nuggets. I don't know,

1179
00:51:56,798 --> 00:52:00,238
Speaker 2: but it's nuggets. It's not this vat And I think

1180
00:52:00,278 --> 00:52:03,678
Speaker 2: that's the trick in all of this is to realize

1181
00:52:03,718 --> 00:52:06,958
Speaker 2: that all this stuff is good, but what is really

1182
00:52:07,038 --> 00:52:09,718
Speaker 2: pertinent to us winning right now? What do we have

1183
00:52:09,798 --> 00:52:13,758
Speaker 2: to focus on among all this stuff that we've mined,

1184
00:52:13,918 --> 00:52:16,558
Speaker 2: you know, from this this this deep, deep mind of information,

1185
00:52:16,758 --> 00:52:18,798
Speaker 2: what really matters, what's going to help us get over

1186
00:52:18,838 --> 00:52:20,758
Speaker 2: the top and get to the promised land. That's the

1187
00:52:20,798 --> 00:52:23,158
Speaker 2: focus we need to be able to understand, and that's

1188
00:52:23,158 --> 00:52:24,158
Speaker 2: where we have to apply it.

1189
00:52:24,438 --> 00:52:27,238
Speaker 1: I love that thought, Joe, because the amount of information

1190
00:52:27,558 --> 00:52:30,478
Speaker 1: out there, it's much much more than what it was,

1191
00:52:30,798 --> 00:52:33,558
Speaker 1: certainly twenty years ago, even ten years ago. Right absolutely,

1192
00:52:33,598 --> 00:52:37,758
Speaker 1: But our capacity to you know, kind of distill usable

1193
00:52:37,798 --> 00:52:40,238
Speaker 1: information has not grown. It is not going to grow.

1194
00:52:40,318 --> 00:52:43,558
Speaker 1: Our bandwidth is only so wide. So to me, those

1195
00:52:43,598 --> 00:52:46,278
Speaker 1: people I call them distillers, you can call them translators

1196
00:52:46,598 --> 00:52:50,678
Speaker 1: who can give you actionable intelligence, are even more valuable.

1197
00:52:50,678 --> 00:52:52,838
Speaker 1: And you just brought me back while you were saying that, Joe,

1198
00:52:52,878 --> 00:52:54,398
Speaker 1: to a classic story. And I know a lot of

1199
00:52:54,398 --> 00:52:56,958
Speaker 1: people have heard this before. The nineteen eighty eight World Series.

1200
00:52:56,998 --> 00:53:00,318
Speaker 1: Before the series begins, the Dodgers are going over the

1201
00:53:00,358 --> 00:53:03,238
Speaker 1: Oakland pictures and it's Mel Didier. This the old scout

1202
00:53:03,438 --> 00:53:05,838
Speaker 1: who is running the meeting, and the Dodgers are sitting

1203
00:53:05,838 --> 00:53:07,998
Speaker 1: there on the floor in the clubhouse, backs on against

1204
00:53:07,998 --> 00:53:10,478
Speaker 1: the wall, listening to Melon Didier go through each Oakland

1205
00:53:10,478 --> 00:53:13,078
Speaker 1: picture and he gets to Dennis Secresy and at one

1206
00:53:13,078 --> 00:53:18,198
Speaker 1: point he says, Padna, I'm sure I'm standing here. He

1207
00:53:18,318 --> 00:53:20,438
Speaker 1: gets you three and two, He's gonna try to go

1208
00:53:20,598 --> 00:53:24,238
Speaker 1: back door slider, and of course Game one's Kirk Gibson

1209
00:53:24,238 --> 00:53:26,718
Speaker 1: coming off the bench to pinch hit. The count gets

1210
00:53:26,718 --> 00:53:29,078
Speaker 1: the three and two. All of a sudden, Kirk Gibson

1211
00:53:29,078 --> 00:53:31,718
Speaker 1: has Doug Harvey, the umpire for time, steps out of

1212
00:53:31,758 --> 00:53:34,758
Speaker 1: the box and he literally hears the voice of melt

1213
00:53:34,758 --> 00:53:37,998
Speaker 1: Didty eight in his head. Pardner, Sure, I'm standing here.

1214
00:53:37,998 --> 00:53:40,638
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw you a back door three two slider,

1215
00:53:40,878 --> 00:53:44,118
Speaker 1: and Kirk Gibson sits on three two slider, gets it

1216
00:53:44,158 --> 00:53:46,038
Speaker 1: and hits it out of the park. The rest is history.

1217
00:53:46,118 --> 00:53:48,398
Speaker 1: But that to me is the classic case Joe of

1218
00:53:48,638 --> 00:53:52,758
Speaker 1: just one nugget that changed the course of history. And

1219
00:53:52,798 --> 00:53:55,158
Speaker 1: that it's just amazing to me that Kirk Gibson, in

1220
00:53:55,238 --> 00:53:58,398
Speaker 1: his mind, in that moment heat of the moment, was

1221
00:53:58,438 --> 00:54:00,598
Speaker 1: able to remember that and use it.

1222
00:54:00,878 --> 00:54:03,998
Speaker 2: I st to the example i'd give my players, my

1223
00:54:04,078 --> 00:54:05,838
Speaker 2: hitters I was hitting coach for many years, is I

1224
00:54:06,438 --> 00:54:08,638
Speaker 2: would tell them I would sit in my room after

1225
00:54:09,038 --> 00:54:10,998
Speaker 2: a long day at the ballpark as a roving hitting

1226
00:54:10,998 --> 00:54:14,478
Speaker 2: instructor field coordinator, and I start writing my notes, and

1227
00:54:14,918 --> 00:54:18,278
Speaker 2: I said, I'd be watching TV, and then I would

1228
00:54:18,278 --> 00:54:20,478
Speaker 2: also want to check my audits report to see how

1229
00:54:20,478 --> 00:54:23,478
Speaker 2: it was going with the different teams on that particular night.

1230
00:54:23,518 --> 00:54:26,238
Speaker 2: And I said, I challenge any of you to sit down,

1231
00:54:26,758 --> 00:54:30,358
Speaker 2: watch TV and pick up a telephone and at that

1232
00:54:30,438 --> 00:54:33,238
Speaker 2: point listen to your messages and see if you could

1233
00:54:33,278 --> 00:54:36,638
Speaker 2: actually listen to your messages and watch TV simultaneously.

1234
00:54:36,678 --> 00:54:38,678
Speaker 3: And of course you can't. And so my point was,

1235
00:54:38,718 --> 00:54:39,758
Speaker 3: you have to pick one.

1236
00:54:40,078 --> 00:54:42,078
Speaker 2: You just have to focus on one thing at a

1237
00:54:42,118 --> 00:54:45,318
Speaker 2: time in order to become a better hitter. One thought.

1238
00:54:45,558 --> 00:54:47,638
Speaker 2: You can't go up there with multiple thoughts. And that

1239
00:54:48,078 --> 00:54:49,678
Speaker 2: really jumped out of me because I've always I was

1240
00:54:49,678 --> 00:54:51,718
Speaker 2: sitting I think it was in Lake Elsinore when I

1241
00:54:51,758 --> 00:54:54,198
Speaker 2: was doing that, sitting on the phone, checking out my reports,

1242
00:54:54,238 --> 00:54:55,718
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to do both, and I said, damn,

1243
00:54:56,038 --> 00:54:56,518
Speaker 2: I can't.

1244
00:54:56,558 --> 00:54:57,998
Speaker 3: Of course I can't. Nobody can't.

1245
00:54:58,198 --> 00:55:00,318
Speaker 2: You can't listen to a report and watch and understand

1246
00:55:00,318 --> 00:55:02,678
Speaker 2: what's being said on the television. So that was one

1247
00:55:02,678 --> 00:55:04,238
Speaker 2: of my ways back in the day to try to

1248
00:55:04,238 --> 00:55:06,198
Speaker 2: get my point across to my hitters.

1249
00:55:06,678 --> 00:55:08,678
Speaker 3: Just pick out one. You can't go up there with

1250
00:55:08,758 --> 00:55:10,038
Speaker 3: multiple thoughts. I love it.

1251
00:55:10,358 --> 00:55:13,118
Speaker 1: Great thoughts as usual. Joe, say you by next time.

1252
00:55:13,118 --> 00:55:13,838
Speaker 1: By the Book of Joe.

1253
00:55:13,958 --> 00:55:15,438
Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, you be well man, Thank you.

1254
00:55:22,878 --> 00:55:26,118
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