WEBVTT - Kali Uchis 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:20.956 Pushkin. Hey, this is Justin Richmond from the Broken Record podcast. 0:00:21.276 --> 0:00:23.436 Join me this June for a live taping of Broken 0:00:23.476 --> 0:00:26.316 Record at the Tribeca Festival. We're all bee in conversation 0:00:26.476 --> 0:00:29.356 with Infinity Song, a New York based soft rock band 0:00:29.356 --> 0:00:31.996 comprised of four siblings who will also be doing a 0:00:32.036 --> 0:00:34.596 couple of songs for us. You'll hear the artist and 0:00:34.636 --> 0:00:38.916 a career spanning conversation about their inspirations and dynamic styles. 0:00:39.556 --> 0:00:41.916 We'll be at the SVA Theater on June twelve at 0:00:41.956 --> 0:00:45.876 eight thirty pm. Defind tickets. Visit tribecafilm dot com slash 0:00:45.916 --> 0:00:50.756 Broken Record all lowercase. That's tribecafilm dot com slash Broken Record. 0:00:50.956 --> 0:00:56.716 Hope to see there. Caliuccies has been busy over the 0:00:56.796 --> 0:00:59.356 last few years. She settled down with her partner Don Tolliver, 0:00:59.716 --> 0:01:03.476 had a baby, and released three great albums, Red Moon 0:01:03.516 --> 0:01:08.716 and Venus, Orchidias and now Sincerely. And while they all 0:01:08.756 --> 0:01:11.476 contry a lot to the amazing lineage of R and 0:01:11.516 --> 0:01:15.276 B in Latin music, it's her latest, Sincerely, that feels 0:01:15.316 --> 0:01:18.436 like a great leap forward for cali Ucci's as an artist. 0:01:19.196 --> 0:01:21.596 There's something coherent in the messaging and the feel of 0:01:21.596 --> 0:01:23.476 the album that make it stand out as not just 0:01:23.516 --> 0:01:26.556 a great collection of songs, but also a great album. 0:01:27.236 --> 0:01:29.636 So it wasn't surprising during the course of our conversation 0:01:29.756 --> 0:01:32.956 to find that Cali, unlike her other records, wrote most 0:01:32.956 --> 0:01:35.396 of this one on her own before bringing it into 0:01:35.436 --> 0:01:38.556 the studio. It also, unfortunately made a lot of sense 0:01:38.596 --> 0:01:41.676 that Callie had recently been through a traumatic life alterined 0:01:41.716 --> 0:01:45.476 experience with her mother. 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Here's a 0:02:16.956 --> 0:02:23.116 conversation with Caliucis Caliucci's Hello, It's great to meet you. 0:02:23.156 --> 0:02:23.916 Good to meet you too. 0:02:24.956 --> 0:02:27.716 You're you're You're way more up on what's going on 0:02:27.796 --> 0:02:30.996 with the world than I would have imagined considering considering 0:02:30.996 --> 0:02:32.716 the album. I just heard how good it is, I 0:02:32.756 --> 0:02:35.756 would have thought you were you were, you were shutting 0:02:35.796 --> 0:02:36.636 the rest of the world out. 0:02:36.876 --> 0:02:38.596 No, I feel like a lot of the album is 0:02:38.636 --> 0:02:41.396 about the state of the world in a abstract way, 0:02:41.476 --> 0:02:45.556 like obviously I don't touch on political or socioeconomic topics, 0:02:45.596 --> 0:02:48.716 but a lot of it does kind of always lean 0:02:48.796 --> 0:02:52.156 back on music being an escape and like escaping from 0:02:52.276 --> 0:02:54.396 the state of the world. So in that way I 0:02:54.436 --> 0:02:55.036 touched on it. 0:02:55.036 --> 0:02:56.756 It's a lot of tenderness still on the album too, 0:02:56.796 --> 0:02:59.796 Like it's like when I like, I haven't really enjoyed 0:02:59.796 --> 0:03:01.876 listening to it the last couple of weeks, just because 0:03:02.676 --> 0:03:05.796 it feels so distinctly different from the world ring right now, 0:03:05.836 --> 0:03:09.996 which is really harsh and cruel and terrible, and but 0:03:10.116 --> 0:03:10.756 that could go on. 0:03:11.036 --> 0:03:12.476 But even like, I feel like a lot of people 0:03:12.476 --> 0:03:14.996 are dropping dance music right now obviously this summer, so 0:03:15.036 --> 0:03:17.476 I feel like it's definitely really different from other stuff 0:03:17.476 --> 0:03:18.396 coming out at the moment. 0:03:18.476 --> 0:03:20.396 And this is the third album, it's a. 0:03:20.396 --> 0:03:23.276 Third English album, it's my fifth overall album. 0:03:22.956 --> 0:03:25.116 The third album three years though. 0:03:25.276 --> 0:03:28.676 Oh yeah, like. 0:03:27.396 --> 0:03:29.516 You've done three in a row. So I was just 0:03:29.556 --> 0:03:31.596 like the I was just so shocked by the quality 0:03:31.876 --> 0:03:36.556 than you. What when did this album start for you? 0:03:36.636 --> 0:03:39.356 Like the writing and pretty. 0:03:39.116 --> 0:03:43.516 Much towards the end of me getting together my my 0:03:43.596 --> 0:03:46.156 last album, or I had started the writing process for 0:03:46.196 --> 0:03:48.076 this next album. 0:03:48.236 --> 0:03:52.476 And coming off of Orkidias, why did this become? Like? 0:03:52.916 --> 0:03:56.276 What was the I imagine you could have gone a 0:03:56.356 --> 0:03:59.996 lot of different directions. What's how did you start coalescing 0:04:00.036 --> 0:04:02.956 around this group of songs and this sound? 0:04:03.476 --> 0:04:08.156 Wells was a very dance heavy sound, So even though 0:04:08.196 --> 0:04:09.996 it was a lot of different John was the main 0:04:10.436 --> 0:04:14.956 element of everything thematically was movement and there was a 0:04:14.956 --> 0:04:19.436 lot of different There was a lot of different dance 0:04:20.076 --> 0:04:22.236 music involved in the project. So I was like, I 0:04:22.276 --> 0:04:27.116 want to do a project that's just sentimental, emotional, vulnerable, 0:04:27.636 --> 0:04:29.196 something that I feel that I haven't done in a 0:04:29.196 --> 0:04:32.996 long time, and in a new way, in a fresh way. 0:04:33.036 --> 0:04:35.236 So I'm kind of leaning back on my roots in music, 0:04:35.316 --> 0:04:36.516 but doing it in a fresh way. 0:04:36.676 --> 0:04:39.556 For you, what is leaning back on your your roots? Like? 0:04:39.596 --> 0:04:41.756 For instance, like my first projects, I want to say 0:04:41.836 --> 0:04:45.116 my first mixtape, which was called Brovilla Thanks a little 0:04:45.116 --> 0:04:49.716 bit more leaning in those pockets. Even my first album, Isolation, 0:04:49.796 --> 0:04:51.796 it's leaning a little bit more in that pocket. Not 0:04:51.836 --> 0:04:53.276 to say that it's the same as either of those 0:04:53.356 --> 0:04:56.516 projects at all, but it's more so what you would 0:04:56.596 --> 0:05:00.876 expect from that artist if you were to have listened 0:05:00.876 --> 0:05:04.236 to that artist, how that artist would have evolved versus 0:05:04.556 --> 0:05:07.836 I think my Latin projects likes and like se Melo, 0:05:07.996 --> 0:05:10.316 they kind of have took took on their own world. 0:05:10.636 --> 0:05:13.236 In hindsight, is like, I'm sure you got some pushback 0:05:13.316 --> 0:05:16.436 from trying to go from isolation to Signelo BLA. Yeah, definitely, 0:05:16.476 --> 0:05:19.316 But in hindsight it's really cool because the way you've 0:05:19.356 --> 0:05:22.876 set your career up now is like for the audiences 0:05:22.956 --> 0:05:25.156 and know what to expect in the best way. Like 0:05:25.636 --> 0:05:28.236 you know, like when this got sent to me and 0:05:28.276 --> 0:05:30.756 I was gonna put it on, I'm like, who knows? 0:05:30.756 --> 0:05:33.116 Like who I got for cars? And who knows what 0:05:33.156 --> 0:05:33.516 I'm in for? 0:05:33.596 --> 0:05:34.956 You know what I mean? Yeah? And I love that. 0:05:35.036 --> 0:05:37.596 I love to be an artist is unpredictable and for 0:05:37.636 --> 0:05:39.276 people to not know what to expect. 0:05:39.476 --> 0:05:41.796 Where does that come from? For you? That that that 0:05:42.236 --> 0:05:44.716 eclectic sensibility. 0:05:44.876 --> 0:05:47.516 I think just growing up with so many different inspirations, 0:05:48.556 --> 0:05:52.076 being bi cultural, being that I grew up in different 0:05:52.076 --> 0:05:56.636 places and I had that you know that sense of 0:05:56.716 --> 0:05:59.236 like music from Columbia, music from VA, music in the 0:05:59.436 --> 0:06:03.476 America versus South America. And then also I listened to 0:06:03.556 --> 0:06:06.076 music from all over the world, French music, you know, 0:06:06.236 --> 0:06:10.516 music from Africa, Italy, wherever it was. I've always just 0:06:10.516 --> 0:06:13.716 been very much an avid music listener, like of your 0:06:13.716 --> 0:06:16.156 own music nerd my whole life, so I think having 0:06:16.196 --> 0:06:20.076 so many different influences and inspirations to the point where 0:06:20.116 --> 0:06:22.716 I never felt restricted to keep myself into anything. I 0:06:22.716 --> 0:06:25.556 always just felt that freedom of expression was the most 0:06:25.556 --> 0:06:28.516 important thing for me, and yeah, not to not to 0:06:28.556 --> 0:06:29.796 limit myself creatively. 0:06:30.276 --> 0:06:32.716 Was that normal for your peer group, like for your 0:06:32.756 --> 0:06:36.076 friend group, or like, was everyone else around you also 0:06:36.116 --> 0:06:38.716 listening to all kinds of different sounds or was this 0:06:38.756 --> 0:06:40.516 sort of did you somehow just no. 0:06:40.596 --> 0:06:42.796 I think most of my friends and people at school, 0:06:42.996 --> 0:06:46.796 they used to make fun of that my had iPods 0:06:46.796 --> 0:06:52.596 back then, right, you know the vibes. They used to 0:06:52.676 --> 0:06:54.076 be like, oh that I used to always have the 0:06:54.076 --> 0:06:57.396 most random music and whatever. That was just something that 0:06:57.436 --> 0:06:59.316 I that I loved. But I did know a couple 0:06:59.356 --> 0:07:01.956 of other people that were really into finding new music 0:07:01.996 --> 0:07:05.356 and obscure bands and stuff like that. But yeah, I 0:07:05.356 --> 0:07:07.356 think most people were just listening to whatever was on 0:07:07.396 --> 0:07:10.796 the radio, so it was just diferent strokes for different folks. 0:07:11.036 --> 0:07:12.516 You must have also been listening to what was on 0:07:12.556 --> 0:07:13.956 the radio, too, right, I was. 0:07:13.956 --> 0:07:17.676 Never big on the radio personally, Like I loved to find, like, 0:07:18.276 --> 0:07:21.596 you know, artists from different eras. I love to listen 0:07:21.596 --> 0:07:24.636 to old school music, the music that my parents were 0:07:24.676 --> 0:07:26.636 listening to or that older people were listening to. I 0:07:26.636 --> 0:07:28.396 would love that when my I was playing music in 0:07:28.436 --> 0:07:31.756 the house, you know, cleaning the house or whatever. That's 0:07:31.796 --> 0:07:33.996 the type of stuff that used to make me interested 0:07:34.076 --> 0:07:37.676 in diving into like all these and stuff like that. 0:07:37.836 --> 0:07:39.916 So who were some of the artists at that time 0:07:40.036 --> 0:07:46.036 that would have gotten you interested in thinking about music 0:07:46.156 --> 0:07:48.596 or writing or listening. 0:07:48.876 --> 0:07:51.556 I mean I wrote music from since I could write. 0:07:51.596 --> 0:07:54.276 I always was writing songs. I was just that kid 0:07:54.396 --> 0:07:58.236 that was kind of like would wander off, you know, 0:07:58.276 --> 0:08:00.156 when my family was out doing stuff. I would always 0:08:00.196 --> 0:08:02.476 be like on my own coming up with songs, and 0:08:02.796 --> 0:08:04.636 my parents would always be kind of like embarrassed and 0:08:04.636 --> 0:08:06.356 start laughing because I used to be just coming up 0:08:06.396 --> 0:08:08.356 with songs like in the grocery store or wherever, and 0:08:08.356 --> 0:08:10.596 people used to be like, Oh, she's so cute, she's 0:08:10.636 --> 0:08:13.836 so weird. I was just always like the weird little 0:08:13.916 --> 0:08:17.276 kid that was just coming up with songs or stories 0:08:17.556 --> 0:08:19.516 or you know, singing for the kids in the neighborhood 0:08:19.636 --> 0:08:22.236 and doing stuff like that. So I'd never had an 0:08:22.316 --> 0:08:24.316 artist that made me want to be like it was 0:08:24.396 --> 0:08:26.876 just kind of like I always did it from as 0:08:26.916 --> 0:08:30.716 long as I can remember, I always wrote music. But 0:08:31.316 --> 0:08:33.476 I definitely I mean in regards to trying to like 0:08:33.516 --> 0:08:38.516 find different music and stuff. I think because my dad 0:08:38.636 --> 0:08:42.636 hit his job was he worked in apartment complexes, and 0:08:42.676 --> 0:08:45.796 so when people used to leave and they would leave 0:08:45.796 --> 0:08:47.476 all their stuff, sometimes he would just bring me home 0:08:47.516 --> 0:08:49.996 the CDs or the vinyls or whatever. So I used 0:08:50.036 --> 0:08:53.476 to get a lot of random different stuff from whatever whoever. 0:08:53.836 --> 0:08:55.556 And that was kind of how when I was really little, 0:08:55.596 --> 0:08:58.076 I started digging into like different types of music. And 0:08:58.116 --> 0:09:00.636 then my friend's dad gave us a bunch of his vinyls, 0:09:00.716 --> 0:09:03.996 and that was how I started getting into music. Like 0:09:03.996 --> 0:09:06.876 it was just different ways that I got exposed here 0:09:06.916 --> 0:09:10.356 and there through random things outside of my own family 0:09:10.996 --> 0:09:14.116 that kind of just made me interested and made me 0:09:14.276 --> 0:09:18.236 have that thirst for knowledge of more musicians and artists 0:09:18.276 --> 0:09:20.076 and bands, and that there was a whole world out 0:09:20.076 --> 0:09:23.596 there of music that I wasn't exposed to in my towns. 0:09:23.796 --> 0:09:29.676 That's really incredible. What how did that transition from just 0:09:29.716 --> 0:09:32.996 being someone who would write, you know, silly songs as 0:09:32.996 --> 0:09:35.156 a kid, or you know, age appropriate songs we could 0:09:35.156 --> 0:09:39.836 say as a kid, to like uh to you know, 0:09:39.876 --> 0:09:41.796 to kind of listening to all these type of eclectic music. 0:09:42.196 --> 0:09:44.876 How did that person and how did you transition from 0:09:44.876 --> 0:09:48.076 that to like making your first because you dropped a 0:09:48.276 --> 0:09:52.876 mixtape on that PIF, which is legendary. I gotta say that. 0:09:54.476 --> 0:09:57.196 Unfortunately, that's incredible. 0:09:58.796 --> 0:10:02.436 So once you finally got into like a studio making music, like, what, 0:10:02.436 --> 0:10:04.876 what did you want to present to the world. 0:10:07.636 --> 0:10:10.236 I think I really just my my main goal was 0:10:11.036 --> 0:10:13.796 I just wanted to try to actually do my best 0:10:13.876 --> 0:10:15.636 and really learn. I was It was kind of like 0:10:15.676 --> 0:10:17.596 a growing and public type of thing. It was like 0:10:17.916 --> 0:10:20.956 I was learning and then I was just putting you know, 0:10:20.956 --> 0:10:22.676 I was literally would literally make a song that night 0:10:22.716 --> 0:10:24.556 and then just put it out onto the internet. Like 0:10:24.596 --> 0:10:28.516 I didn't really have any intention for where the music 0:10:28.596 --> 0:10:29.916 was going to go or who was going to listen 0:10:29.956 --> 0:10:32.676 to it. I was just like, Oh, that made this 0:10:32.756 --> 0:10:35.996 cool thing whatever. And once I realized, oh, people are 0:10:36.036 --> 0:10:38.116 actually listening to it, it made me realize to be 0:10:38.156 --> 0:10:41.676 more intentional, like, Okay, let me actually try, like, let 0:10:41.756 --> 0:10:43.236 me really try to sing, because I didn't know how 0:10:43.236 --> 0:10:45.076 to be a singer. I knew how to write songs, 0:10:46.436 --> 0:10:49.316 but I was never like, you know, I've never been 0:10:49.396 --> 0:10:51.956 vocally trained or I was never inquired. I never had 0:10:51.956 --> 0:10:55.596 any of those type of things, so I didn't I 0:10:55.636 --> 0:10:57.276 didn't know how to sing at all. At that point. 0:10:57.676 --> 0:10:59.916 You say you weren't inquired, but is it you were? 0:11:00.076 --> 0:11:01.756 And I was in band jazz band. 0:11:01.836 --> 0:11:04.436 Yeah, yeah, I played taxophone. Yeah, I played taxophone. I 0:11:04.436 --> 0:11:07.596 play piano. I also did a lot of poetry competitions. 0:11:07.636 --> 0:11:10.756 I took them really seriously. Like when you said age 0:11:10.756 --> 0:11:12.996 appropriate songs, it made me laugh in my head because 0:11:13.316 --> 0:11:14.876 the songs that I used to write, people used to 0:11:14.916 --> 0:11:16.796 always be like, what the heck is this little girl 0:11:16.836 --> 0:11:21.316 going through? Because we're always really deep. I've always been 0:11:21.356 --> 0:11:25.356 a poetic girl, let's say that. And yeah, so I've 0:11:25.356 --> 0:11:28.396 always just been artistic and that's always been my like, 0:11:28.596 --> 0:11:29.596 that's always been my thing. 0:11:29.996 --> 0:11:32.436 Do you remember feeling too, like there were like the 0:11:32.876 --> 0:11:37.596 things you were expressing were maybe a little like deeper 0:11:37.636 --> 0:11:39.836 than what a kid your age might be feeling. 0:11:40.036 --> 0:11:42.436 Or no, I think it's just that was a comment 0:11:42.476 --> 0:11:44.836 that I used to get a laugh from adults, like oh, 0:11:44.916 --> 0:11:47.436 you're very mature or you're very you know, where are 0:11:47.436 --> 0:11:49.436 you coming up with this stuff? From what's going on? 0:11:49.796 --> 0:11:54.436 And yeah, I remember I had a poem at when 0:11:54.436 --> 0:11:56.276 a contest. It was called another Person, and it was 0:11:56.396 --> 0:11:59.156 I was really little, and it was about like it 0:11:59.236 --> 0:12:02.036 was about looking at yourself younger self, and like it 0:12:02.116 --> 0:12:06.436 was about the existentialism of like your life's course and 0:12:06.476 --> 0:12:08.676 seeing your future and your past and your present like 0:12:08.676 --> 0:12:12.756 stuff like that that I was talking about metaphysical but 0:12:12.796 --> 0:12:15.116 it was a poem and anyway I won the contests, 0:12:16.436 --> 0:12:19.076 but yeah, that's the type of stuff. Or like my 0:12:19.196 --> 0:12:21.516 cat ran away from home and I wrote a song 0:12:21.516 --> 0:12:23.316 about my cameraunn in no way, but it was like 0:12:23.356 --> 0:12:27.356 this this longing and this sadness that people didn't realize 0:12:27.356 --> 0:12:28.756 it was about my cat and they were like, are 0:12:28.796 --> 0:12:30.596 you okay, like you know things like that. 0:12:31.316 --> 0:12:34.916 I don't know, were your parents concerned? No, No, like 0:12:35.036 --> 0:12:38.836 maybe you feel too deeply, like she she, I don't. 0:12:38.676 --> 0:12:41.156 Think No, I don't think they were concerns I did. 0:12:42.076 --> 0:12:43.476 I was the kid that had to go to the 0:12:43.476 --> 0:12:47.436 counselor in school for sure. But that was about you know, 0:12:47.516 --> 0:12:48.356 as far as that went. 0:12:48.556 --> 0:12:53.276 Got it, got it? Why and why jazz? Like? Why 0:12:53.356 --> 0:12:55.796 why jazz? How did you end up in jazz? Man? 0:12:55.876 --> 0:12:58.516 I always love jazz music. I've always been That's a 0:12:58.516 --> 0:13:01.396 lot of my grounding as a vocalist as well. Like 0:13:01.396 --> 0:13:04.436 when I first started singing, I had a lot of 0:13:04.476 --> 0:13:06.436 people would be like, oh, you have such a jazzy 0:13:06.436 --> 0:13:08.836 infliction on your voice, and I guess it just comes 0:13:08.876 --> 0:13:11.996 from that. Like I you know, I don't think I 0:13:12.036 --> 0:13:13.996 can read music anymore, but at the time I can 0:13:14.076 --> 0:13:16.516 read music. I was first chair. You know, I went 0:13:16.516 --> 0:13:19.236 to a lot of competitions to get very serious. Yeah, 0:13:19.556 --> 0:13:22.716 I did it for years. Yeah. Also, yeah, I did 0:13:22.716 --> 0:13:26.236 it for years. I took it very seriously, and I 0:13:26.276 --> 0:13:29.076 think that definitely had some type of impact on when 0:13:29.076 --> 0:13:31.316 I first started making music. You know, where my musical 0:13:31.356 --> 0:13:33.716 grounding was in melodically. 0:13:33.276 --> 0:13:35.316 Did you ever think about picking the sacks back up? 0:13:35.396 --> 0:13:39.796 Like, I mean, I think that I could, but it's 0:13:39.836 --> 0:13:42.316 not something that everyone always tells me like, oh, you 0:13:42.356 --> 0:13:44.516 should just pick the sacs up in the middle of 0:13:44.556 --> 0:13:48.076 a concert one I'm like, I mean, kind of fly. 0:13:48.196 --> 0:13:50.236 Actually, could you imagine halfway through? 0:13:50.956 --> 0:13:53.476 I don't know, kind of random, but I mean it's cool. 0:13:53.596 --> 0:13:56.756 I like, you know, it's part of part of you 0:13:56.796 --> 0:13:58.956 know who I am, and it's part of you know, 0:13:59.676 --> 0:14:03.116 what got me into into music in a sense. 0:14:03.196 --> 0:14:05.956 So that's cool. Well, it's nice. It's nice to hear though, 0:14:05.996 --> 0:14:07.996 because when I was reading through interview, it's nice to 0:14:08.036 --> 0:14:10.756 hear you prefer to yourself kind of as a vocalist, 0:14:10.756 --> 0:14:12.236 because as I kind of going through listening to some 0:14:12.316 --> 0:14:15.076 old interviews and reading small stuff like, it seemed like 0:14:15.836 --> 0:14:17.476 maybe there's at least an era of time or a 0:14:17.516 --> 0:14:21.636 period of time where we wouldn't say you put yourself down, 0:14:21.636 --> 0:14:24.116 but you definitely refer to yourself as a certain kind 0:14:24.116 --> 0:14:25.036 of vocalist. 0:14:27.036 --> 0:14:30.756 Well, I really consider myself more just an artist than anything. 0:14:31.316 --> 0:14:34.076 I feel like everyone has their fortes. I feel like 0:14:34.316 --> 0:14:37.356 art is just mine. But I think I definitely have 0:14:37.556 --> 0:14:39.756 learned a lot about my voice, and I taught myself 0:14:39.796 --> 0:14:42.796 a lot about how to use it, and I've grown 0:14:43.436 --> 0:14:46.196 a lot as a vocalist. You know, if you heard 0:14:46.196 --> 0:14:49.436 those first those first you know, little songs that I 0:14:49.476 --> 0:14:52.116 put out there, I definitely have grown a lot, So 0:14:52.156 --> 0:14:52.836 I'm proud of that. 0:14:53.156 --> 0:14:56.556 Yeah, Like the opening line is incredible, That whole first 0:14:56.596 --> 0:14:59.836 verse is like vocally that was like it's stunning. 0:14:59.956 --> 0:15:00.956 Oh thank you so much. 0:15:01.036 --> 0:15:03.236 Yeah, like just the way I want to tempt it, 0:15:03.276 --> 0:15:05.596 but the way I think. 0:15:05.436 --> 0:15:08.476 Once I realized my range, I started playing with it 0:15:08.516 --> 0:15:10.156 a lot more, and I think in this album I 0:15:10.236 --> 0:15:13.916 definitely lean more into the higher ranges because it just 0:15:14.036 --> 0:15:18.436 became something that was fun for me to do. But yeah, 0:15:18.476 --> 0:15:20.556 I think it's just it's all a learning process, and 0:15:20.596 --> 0:15:22.556 I think with every album, I'm just learning more about 0:15:22.556 --> 0:15:24.116 my voice and the things that I can do with it. 0:15:24.276 --> 0:15:26.996 Yeah, but it wasn't even like on that first cut 0:15:27.036 --> 0:15:29.596 in particular, it wasn't even like also just that higher register. 0:15:29.636 --> 0:15:31.836 It's just the way you were sliding between that. It 0:15:31.956 --> 0:15:34.516 just was really dynamic, and yeah, it sounded like it 0:15:34.556 --> 0:15:36.916 was lyrically really impressive. And also just like the way 0:15:36.956 --> 0:15:39.276 you phrased it and saying it, I think the. 0:15:39.236 --> 0:15:41.036 Most important thing to me is kind of how we 0:15:41.036 --> 0:15:45.436 were saying earlier, like I've never been inspired by one 0:15:45.556 --> 0:15:48.076 artist or one like, I'm not trying to follow anybody's 0:15:48.116 --> 0:15:53.116 path sonically or with anything that I do as an artist. 0:15:53.156 --> 0:15:55.756 So I have really found my own way and my 0:15:55.796 --> 0:15:58.476 own footing in regards to my sound. 0:15:58.796 --> 0:16:03.196 Do you have certain do you have certain influences in 0:16:03.236 --> 0:16:06.196 different eras of your life? Like would you say like nat, like, 0:16:06.796 --> 0:16:08.956 are there a handful of artists that you're listening to 0:16:09.396 --> 0:16:12.116 that you feel like are particularly inspiring to you when 0:16:12.116 --> 0:16:12.676 you hear them? 0:16:12.996 --> 0:16:15.036 I think I knew. I think I knew for the 0:16:15.196 --> 0:16:18.236 album in general, the type of inspirations I was going for. 0:16:18.916 --> 0:16:22.756 I don't think people might not actually hear those inspirations 0:16:22.756 --> 0:16:25.716 when they listen to the music, but I was. I 0:16:25.796 --> 0:16:28.916 love female vocalists in general. I really don't listen to 0:16:28.956 --> 0:16:33.316 male music, which is it's funny because so many people 0:16:33.476 --> 0:16:35.996 are the opposite, like a lot of people. I remember 0:16:36.036 --> 0:16:37.556 the first time that someone ever told me that one 0:16:37.556 --> 0:16:40.076 of my cousins we were sharing music. I was showing 0:16:40.076 --> 0:16:42.916 her some songs that I liked when I was really young, 0:16:42.956 --> 0:16:45.396 and she's like, I showed her be York and she's like, 0:16:45.836 --> 0:16:48.196 I don't listen to girl singers, Like I only listen 0:16:48.276 --> 0:16:50.796 to I like guy both voices, because I guess it's 0:16:50.796 --> 0:16:52.756 more soothing to people the low tones or I don't 0:16:52.796 --> 0:16:55.116 know what it might be the internalized misogyny. Who knows. 0:16:55.596 --> 0:16:59.916 And I was like, that's so strange because I started 0:16:59.916 --> 0:17:01.476 looking at my own Cadillac and I was like, I 0:17:01.516 --> 0:17:04.436 only listen to girls singers. I really don't have that 0:17:04.596 --> 0:17:09.676 many male artists in my personal like day to day 0:17:09.836 --> 0:17:14.476 music that I be that. It's just like classics like 0:17:14.556 --> 0:17:18.796 you know, Marvin Get, you know, like legends, you know, 0:17:19.076 --> 0:17:22.676 so full. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't listen to too 0:17:22.796 --> 0:17:26.076 much guy music. I've never been like a fan over 0:17:26.156 --> 0:17:28.796 any guy or had that type of I don't really 0:17:28.876 --> 0:17:33.796 understand that that lifestyle. I don't understand people that are like, 0:17:33.836 --> 0:17:36.396 oh this guy, Like I just never been that person. 0:17:36.436 --> 0:17:38.716 I'll be like, oh my gosh, this woman. She's so 0:17:38.796 --> 0:17:40.436 many you know, like I always you know, like Shad 0:17:40.716 --> 0:17:45.036 or Selena, like, you know, so many amazing women, like 0:17:45.116 --> 0:17:46.396 that's just always been my thing. 0:17:47.556 --> 0:17:53.836 So Selena, Yeah, okay, yeah for this album, Okay, shot 0:17:53.916 --> 0:17:59.996 is Selena, Ammy whine House, the Cranberryes, uh cocktoo. 0:17:59.636 --> 0:18:06.996 Twins, who else? Who else? Who else? The Sundays a 0:18:07.036 --> 0:18:09.076 lot of more. I was more listening to a lot 0:18:09.276 --> 0:18:13.956 more angsty, you know, nineties music, and I think in 0:18:14.036 --> 0:18:20.196 general just ohfion A Apple, she's a huge inspiration. Yeah, 0:18:20.316 --> 0:18:21.956 just music that's a little bit and like I said, 0:18:22.156 --> 0:18:24.156 you wouldn't listen to this music and think that that's 0:18:24.196 --> 0:18:28.236 inspired by them, But it's more so in regards to 0:18:28.756 --> 0:18:30.916 women that are really able to like bear their soul 0:18:30.956 --> 0:18:34.356 and their emotion and dig a little bit deeper into 0:18:34.396 --> 0:18:36.716 their vocabulary and the things that they want to say 0:18:36.716 --> 0:18:37.676 and get poetic with it. 0:18:37.956 --> 0:18:40.556 Yeah, that does make sense to me though, because like 0:18:40.636 --> 0:18:44.516 the album is emotionally, like really poignant. Like like when 0:18:44.556 --> 0:18:45.916 I was saying earlier, like I wasn't sure what I 0:18:45.956 --> 0:18:47.516 was one hundred percent going to get from this album, 0:18:47.556 --> 0:18:51.196 Like I do love that. It's like, you know, if 0:18:51.276 --> 0:18:53.796 I want to party, there's there's great Caliuci tracks I 0:18:53.796 --> 0:18:55.996 can you know, and the last album is one of 0:18:55.996 --> 0:18:59.116 those if I want to, like just like the vibe 0:18:59.116 --> 0:19:02.556 out at home by myself, Like there's great songs I 0:19:02.596 --> 0:19:06.876 can put on for that. But uh, like why I 0:19:06.876 --> 0:19:08.476 put this on? It was like it made that album 0:19:08.516 --> 0:19:12.396 did make me very very emotional, Okay, and you know 0:19:13.436 --> 0:19:16.396 the background knowing you know, you just had a kid. 0:19:17.356 --> 0:19:20.076 Part of me, it did sound very firmly to me. 0:19:20.276 --> 0:19:22.356 And you know this, This was my feeling when I 0:19:22.356 --> 0:19:27.476 was listening as it sounded like an album of of 0:19:27.636 --> 0:19:31.356 like it sounded like an album just rapped in love, 0:19:31.436 --> 0:19:33.156 you know what I mean. And it made sense to 0:19:33.196 --> 0:19:36.676 me that you both that you had a kid, that 0:19:36.716 --> 0:19:39.236 you that you uh sort of had this long term 0:19:39.236 --> 0:19:42.956 partnership and it's it. And it felt to me like 0:19:42.956 --> 0:19:44.876 it could have been maybe about either one of those 0:19:44.916 --> 0:19:46.236 things or both of those things. 0:19:47.636 --> 0:19:49.676 Yeah, I mean there's even songs that touch on because 0:19:49.716 --> 0:19:51.556 I try to. I know a lot of music is 0:19:51.716 --> 0:19:56.236 very mail centered or relationship focused, and so I really 0:19:56.276 --> 0:19:58.836 tried to make sure that I touch other topics because 0:19:58.836 --> 0:20:00.716 I don't ever want my music to just be like 0:20:00.756 --> 0:20:04.036 about so. Yeah, I have songs for my son. I 0:20:04.036 --> 0:20:07.676 have songs even dedicated to like friendships. Like Daggers is like, 0:20:07.716 --> 0:20:10.436 you know, about another girl. You know it's about it's 0:20:10.436 --> 0:20:11.196 about a homegirl. 0:20:11.276 --> 0:20:15.356 What was that like? But what's the Daggers makes you think? 0:20:15.436 --> 0:20:17.036 Is it? Was it not trying to think what the 0:20:17.076 --> 0:20:19.156