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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, this is Justin Richmond from the Broken Record podcast.

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Speaker 1: couple of songs for us. You'll hear the artist and

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Speaker 1: a career spanning conversation about their inspirations and dynamic styles.

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Speaker 1: Hope to see there. Caliuccies has been busy over the

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Speaker 1: last few years. She settled down with her partner Don Tolliver,

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Speaker 1: had a baby, and released three great albums, Red Moon

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Speaker 1: and Venus, Orchidias and now Sincerely. And while they all

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Speaker 1: contry a lot to the amazing lineage of R and

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Speaker 1: B in Latin music, it's her latest, Sincerely, that feels

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Speaker 1: like a great leap forward for cali Ucci's as an artist.

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Speaker 1: There's something coherent in the messaging and the feel of

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Speaker 1: the album that make it stand out as not just

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Speaker 1: a great collection of songs, but also a great album.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't surprising during the course of our conversation

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Speaker 1: to find that Cali, unlike her other records, wrote most

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Speaker 1: of this one on her own before bringing it into

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Speaker 1: the studio. It also, unfortunately made a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: that Callie had recently been through a traumatic life alterined

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Speaker 1: experience with her mother. Over the course of our conversation,

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Speaker 1: conversation with Caliucis Caliucci's Hello, It's great to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Good to meet you too.

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Speaker 1: You're you're You're way more up on what's going on

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Speaker 1: the album. I just heard how good it is, I

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Speaker 2: No, I feel like a lot of the album is

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Speaker 2: like obviously I don't touch on political or socioeconomic topics,

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of tenderness still on the album too,

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Speaker 1: Like it's like when I like, I haven't really enjoyed

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Speaker 2: But even like, I feel like a lot of people

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's definitely really different from other stuff

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Speaker 1: And this is the third album, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Third English album, it's my fifth overall album.

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Speaker 1: Was that normal for your peer group, like for your

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Speaker 1: So once you finally got into like a studio making music, like, what,

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Speaker 1: What was that like? But what's the Daggers makes you think?

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Speaker 2: There's another one? Who tell me? Who could I trust?

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Speaker 2: like listen and read the lyrics at the same time,

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00:22:04,996 --> 00:22:06,556
Speaker 2: and then you can fully grasp it.

435
00:22:06,556 --> 00:22:08,756
Speaker 1: And sometimes I gotta do that. Someone even told me

436
00:22:08,756 --> 00:22:12,596
Speaker 1: that the day, like something about someone was talking about

437
00:22:12,596 --> 00:22:14,076
Speaker 1: what's not Riah Carrey's.

438
00:22:13,676 --> 00:22:17,036
Speaker 2: Song, Oh we got some we got some lambs in

439
00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:18,356
Speaker 2: the building. They might be able to help you.

440
00:22:18,396 --> 00:22:21,596
Speaker 1: Got we got Mariah Carey fan in the building. She's

441
00:22:21,956 --> 00:22:25,596
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites. But legend, legend, legend. H

442
00:22:26,036 --> 00:22:29,036
Speaker 1: but what's that? What's that song that Jermaine Dupre did

443
00:22:29,076 --> 00:22:31,956
Speaker 1: with Mariah Carey in the nineties, big hit Now it's

444
00:22:31,956 --> 00:22:34,276
Speaker 1: gonna but some basically one of her big hits, and

445
00:22:34,316 --> 00:22:35,876
Speaker 1: someone was telling about the lyrics of the day about

446
00:22:35,876 --> 00:22:38,676
Speaker 1: how they're like they're kind of like a bit darker

447
00:22:38,716 --> 00:22:40,036
Speaker 1: if you if you listen to them, and I was like,

448
00:22:40,716 --> 00:22:42,076
Speaker 1: you gotta be lying to me, and I listened to

449
00:22:42,116 --> 00:22:43,716
Speaker 1: the song. I was like, Okay, yeah, I've been missing

450
00:22:43,756 --> 00:22:44,836
Speaker 1: this the entire time.

451
00:22:45,876 --> 00:22:49,996
Speaker 2: Happens like me, I have to watch the movies with subtitles,

452
00:22:50,116 --> 00:22:52,836
Speaker 2: so I get it. That might be what you need.

453
00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:58,556
Speaker 1: Thank you for diagnosis. Yeah, we'll be back with more

454
00:22:58,596 --> 00:23:05,676
Speaker 1: from Kylie Ucci's After the break. I was wondering how

455
00:23:05,716 --> 00:23:08,636
Speaker 1: many songs recorded for the album versus how many made it,

456
00:23:08,676 --> 00:23:12,076
Speaker 1: because these songs are so good, but there's also so

457
00:23:12,196 --> 00:23:15,116
Speaker 1: many various styles you stitched together. That just sounded to

458
00:23:15,196 --> 00:23:19,196
Speaker 1: me like you must have been having some really fruitful

459
00:23:19,196 --> 00:23:20,276
Speaker 1: writing sessions lately.

460
00:23:20,316 --> 00:23:22,036
Speaker 2: I made a lot of music. Yeah, I made a

461
00:23:22,076 --> 00:23:24,316
Speaker 2: lot of music. It was very hard to pick a

462
00:23:24,356 --> 00:23:27,356
Speaker 2: track list. I know a lot of people are doing

463
00:23:27,436 --> 00:23:32,596
Speaker 2: the you know, fifty songs in one album thing these days,

464
00:23:32,636 --> 00:23:33,836
Speaker 2: but it's not really.

465
00:23:33,636 --> 00:23:37,356
Speaker 1: Mike, but I didn't do it so beautifully.

466
00:23:37,396 --> 00:23:39,996
Speaker 2: I was like I needed to be like around fourteen songs,

467
00:23:41,276 --> 00:23:44,516
Speaker 2: and I think I'm going to save some other ones

468
00:23:44,516 --> 00:23:46,156
Speaker 2: for the deluxe and that's just what I'm going to

469
00:23:46,196 --> 00:23:48,596
Speaker 2: do there. But yeah, I definitely made a lot a

470
00:23:48,596 --> 00:23:49,316
Speaker 2: lot of music.

471
00:23:50,236 --> 00:23:52,916
Speaker 1: A couple of days ago, you posted about your mom

472
00:23:52,956 --> 00:23:55,236
Speaker 1: passed away to I, you know, I wanted to say,

473
00:23:55,396 --> 00:23:57,916
Speaker 1: you know, my condolences for that. That's that's really tough.

474
00:24:00,156 --> 00:24:04,676
Speaker 1: What did that have any bearing on what you wrote

475
00:24:04,716 --> 00:24:05,916
Speaker 1: for the album. I don't know.

476
00:24:06,476 --> 00:24:09,396
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the headspace that I was in. Yeah. Yeah,

477
00:24:09,436 --> 00:24:13,956
Speaker 2: my mom was diagnosed with stage four when I was pregnant,

478
00:24:14,116 --> 00:24:17,396
Speaker 2: so that was like something that was ongoing pretty much

479
00:24:17,436 --> 00:24:20,716
Speaker 2: during the whole writing process, kind of you know, having

480
00:24:20,756 --> 00:24:23,356
Speaker 2: to you know, see her and out of the hospital

481
00:24:23,396 --> 00:24:25,396
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So that was something definitely that

482
00:24:27,276 --> 00:24:30,556
Speaker 2: impacted the album. And then on the delex I have

483
00:24:30,596 --> 00:24:33,196
Speaker 2: a song that was written like right after her passing

484
00:24:33,236 --> 00:24:35,276
Speaker 2: for her, So that's on the Delexe though.

485
00:24:35,556 --> 00:24:38,796
Speaker 1: That must have just been like a really hard headspace

486
00:24:38,836 --> 00:24:41,836
Speaker 1: to navigating pregnant your mom's getting diagnosed.

487
00:24:41,956 --> 00:24:43,996
Speaker 2: Yeah, like becoming a mom for the first time and

488
00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:47,476
Speaker 2: losing my mom at the same time. It was definitely

489
00:24:48,316 --> 00:24:49,996
Speaker 2: it's still you know, That's why I'm kind of taking

490
00:24:50,036 --> 00:24:53,556
Speaker 2: my time. Before and I had got right back into

491
00:24:53,596 --> 00:24:56,996
Speaker 2: the studio just because I felt that I needed to.

492
00:24:57,276 --> 00:24:59,476
Speaker 2: But now I'm just I'm just giving myself time to

493
00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:03,156
Speaker 2: take it easy and not trying to do too much

494
00:25:03,156 --> 00:25:05,116
Speaker 2: on myself right now because I am still grieving and

495
00:25:05,156 --> 00:25:09,676
Speaker 2: I am still mourning. It is relatively recent, so yeah,

496
00:25:09,796 --> 00:25:10,876
Speaker 2: just taking it day by day.

497
00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:16,516
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did did you guys get to connect about motherhood

498
00:25:16,596 --> 00:25:17,076
Speaker 1: much before?

499
00:25:17,396 --> 00:25:18,716
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, definitely.

500
00:25:18,836 --> 00:25:19,076
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:25:19,076 --> 00:25:21,836
Speaker 2: She loved my son and she you know, she had

502
00:25:21,876 --> 00:25:23,676
Speaker 2: a great, a great bomb with him, and she was

503
00:25:23,676 --> 00:25:26,476
Speaker 2: obsessed with him, and you know, obviously I wish we

504
00:25:26,556 --> 00:25:32,556
Speaker 2: had more time two, you know, to talk about motherhood

505
00:25:32,636 --> 00:25:34,996
Speaker 2: and for her to see my son grow up and

506
00:25:35,036 --> 00:25:37,236
Speaker 2: all of that. But but she got to meet him,

507
00:25:37,316 --> 00:25:38,396
Speaker 2: and I'm happy about that.

508
00:25:38,396 --> 00:25:42,596
Speaker 1: That's that's really great. Is that her voice on the album.

509
00:25:42,636 --> 00:25:45,116
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sunshine and rain that's my mom's voice in Sunshine

510
00:25:45,116 --> 00:25:48,796
Speaker 2: and Rainy. I'm actually dedicating the album to her, and

511
00:25:48,836 --> 00:25:50,956
Speaker 2: so that I put that that voice note. It was

512
00:25:50,996 --> 00:25:55,156
Speaker 2: a voice note she sent me for my son, and

513
00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:57,756
Speaker 2: it just so happened that she that she said sunshine,

514
00:25:57,796 --> 00:25:59,356
Speaker 2: and so I said, let me put this in Sunshine

515
00:25:59,396 --> 00:25:59,676
Speaker 2: and Rain.

516
00:26:00,036 --> 00:26:03,436
Speaker 1: Wow, that was a really touching moment for the I

517
00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:05,556
Speaker 1: thought it was you to be honest for you guys

518
00:26:05,596 --> 00:26:07,276
Speaker 1: kind of did I don't know if I don't know

519
00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:09,476
Speaker 1: if you guys sounded similar to my because I had

520
00:26:09,476 --> 00:26:12,996
Speaker 1: a similar tambre. Maybe maybe, but that was a really

521
00:26:13,036 --> 00:26:13,716
Speaker 1: touching moment.

522
00:26:13,756 --> 00:26:16,436
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you, Thank you. And I also have some

523
00:26:16,516 --> 00:26:20,476
Speaker 2: of my my son's voice on the end of Love

524
00:26:20,476 --> 00:26:22,476
Speaker 2: You So Much I Hurt, So that was really that

525
00:26:22,556 --> 00:26:24,516
Speaker 2: was really nice to get some voice recordings to him

526
00:26:24,516 --> 00:26:26,436
Speaker 2: and be able to include him in the album as well.

527
00:26:26,516 --> 00:26:29,436
Speaker 1: It was great, you know, like it reminded me of like,

528
00:26:29,556 --> 00:26:31,756
Speaker 1: isn't she lovely? You know, like how like Stevie gets

529
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:36,596
Speaker 1: his kid on there, like it's just a you know love,

530
00:26:36,636 --> 00:26:38,676
Speaker 1: That's what I love too. It's like again, and I

531
00:26:38,716 --> 00:26:40,796
Speaker 1: just appreciated it as a parent myself, Like when I

532
00:26:40,796 --> 00:26:46,076
Speaker 1: put this album on, it felt like if I don't

533
00:26:46,116 --> 00:26:48,316
Speaker 1: want to say, like, you know, like a grown up album,

534
00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:50,236
Speaker 1: but it just felt like, you know what I mean, Sure, yeah,

535
00:26:50,556 --> 00:26:52,356
Speaker 1: it's a mature album. It's just something it's like and

536
00:26:52,396 --> 00:26:54,996
Speaker 1: it's like I can, really from my perspective in life,

537
00:26:55,076 --> 00:26:57,676
Speaker 1: like appreciate it. And having things like that that I

538
00:26:57,676 --> 00:27:03,836
Speaker 1: can play around my kids that make them think about

539
00:27:04,076 --> 00:27:06,316
Speaker 1: our relationship, you know what I mean, Like what it

540
00:27:06,356 --> 00:27:07,276
Speaker 1: is to you know what I mean. It's just like

541
00:27:07,276 --> 00:27:11,236
Speaker 1: that's just such a cool touch to add to your

542
00:27:10,956 --> 00:27:13,156
Speaker 1: your your your catalog, you know.

543
00:27:13,276 --> 00:27:13,476
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:27:14,156 --> 00:27:16,076
Speaker 2: I love a lot of times people come to my

545
00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:17,796
Speaker 2: shows with their parents, and I think it's just so

546
00:27:17,876 --> 00:27:20,756
Speaker 2: sweet that they're able to like, it'll be a girl

547
00:27:20,796 --> 00:27:22,476
Speaker 2: and she'll be like me and my mom both love you,

548
00:27:22,516 --> 00:27:24,236
Speaker 2: and so it's nice to be able to touch different

549
00:27:24,236 --> 00:27:26,876
Speaker 2: generations and then be able to share that experience of

550
00:27:27,436 --> 00:27:29,796
Speaker 2: you know, having an artist that they both love in common.

551
00:27:29,836 --> 00:27:31,836
Speaker 2: It's really cool. That's like one of my favorite things

552
00:27:31,876 --> 00:27:32,796
Speaker 2: to see at my shows.

553
00:27:32,916 --> 00:27:37,476
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. Who who would you consider as being

554
00:27:37,476 --> 00:27:44,356
Speaker 1: some of your like important collaborators on this album who

555
00:27:44,356 --> 00:27:48,036
Speaker 1: helped it come into like focus. I guess in a way, that's.

556
00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:49,916
Speaker 2: A difficult question because I made the album in my

557
00:27:49,916 --> 00:27:54,036
Speaker 2: house by myself, never mind even majority of the songs

558
00:27:54,036 --> 00:27:56,116
Speaker 2: they were written without music, and I would just send

559
00:27:56,156 --> 00:27:59,076
Speaker 2: them to different people and I would work on, you know,

560
00:27:59,116 --> 00:28:00,756
Speaker 2: getting all the production together and stuff.

561
00:28:00,796 --> 00:28:04,876
Speaker 1: So the studio, say Calie Cali's headquarters.

562
00:28:04,996 --> 00:28:10,276
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, Yeah, so yeah, it's it's

563
00:28:10,276 --> 00:28:14,716
Speaker 2: my least collaborative album that I've ever made. I would say, yeah.

564
00:28:14,396 --> 00:28:16,356
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Maybe why it sounds so kind of

565
00:28:16,396 --> 00:28:19,236
Speaker 1: like sober and just sort of like direct in a sense.

566
00:28:19,236 --> 00:28:20,596
Speaker 1: You know. That's really what I was picking up from,

567
00:28:20,636 --> 00:28:24,756
Speaker 1: is just the songs are so direct, so that that

568
00:28:24,796 --> 00:28:27,516
Speaker 1: does make sense. Is that a way you would work? Again?

569
00:28:28,436 --> 00:28:31,116
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I loved it. Yeah, yeah, I loved it.

570
00:28:31,396 --> 00:28:33,836
Speaker 1: What's what was it? Tell me? Someone? Why? What? What?

571
00:28:36,676 --> 00:28:41,396
Speaker 2: I guess just the that rawness of just being in

572
00:28:41,396 --> 00:28:44,556
Speaker 2: your own house and just being able to go upstairs

573
00:28:44,636 --> 00:28:47,596
Speaker 2: and pick up the mic. It's nice, I mean I do.

574
00:28:47,996 --> 00:28:50,396
Speaker 2: I did a few songs traveling like it's just us.

575
00:28:50,436 --> 00:28:52,596
Speaker 2: I've recorded that in Houston because I also have a

576
00:28:52,636 --> 00:28:57,356
Speaker 2: house in Houston, so I did that there. And then

577
00:28:58,716 --> 00:29:00,436
Speaker 2: all I can say I wrote that one while I

578
00:29:00,476 --> 00:29:02,596
Speaker 2: was in Miami. So there's a few songs that I

579
00:29:02,596 --> 00:29:05,916
Speaker 2: wrote while, you know, being out of the house. But

580
00:29:06,316 --> 00:29:08,316
Speaker 2: everything else I did in my house and I loved it.

581
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,196
Speaker 1: Wow. It's kind of cool how you a lot of

582
00:29:11,196 --> 00:29:14,716
Speaker 1: people and you have being you. I feel like you

583
00:29:14,716 --> 00:29:16,516
Speaker 1: have the poll you could just go to like any

584
00:29:16,596 --> 00:29:21,156
Speaker 1: number of like really big producers and just like do

585
00:29:21,236 --> 00:29:23,356
Speaker 1: a record with them. But it never seems. It seems

586
00:29:23,356 --> 00:29:26,436
Speaker 1: like you've always been very open to collaborate with a

587
00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:30,556
Speaker 1: variety of people, and not necessarily even people that are

588
00:29:30,716 --> 00:29:33,476
Speaker 1: like I mean, quote unquote hot, you know what I mean.

589
00:29:33,516 --> 00:29:36,236
Speaker 1: Like think about like you work with the girls so much, not.

590
00:29:36,196 --> 00:29:37,596
Speaker 2: Too much of my producers.

591
00:29:37,956 --> 00:29:39,916
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm just saying no. But like

592
00:29:39,996 --> 00:29:43,076
Speaker 1: think about like you collaborating with someone like like Damn

593
00:29:43,116 --> 00:29:45,716
Speaker 1: an album with Gorillas, Like it wasn't like you know

594
00:29:45,716 --> 00:29:49,356
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's not like he's not really like

595
00:29:49,356 --> 00:29:50,476
Speaker 1: in the pop space, you.

596
00:29:50,516 --> 00:29:50,956
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

597
00:29:51,596 --> 00:29:54,396
Speaker 1: I think attack.

598
00:29:55,596 --> 00:30:00,036
Speaker 2: No. I I like to work with people that I trust,

599
00:30:00,436 --> 00:30:02,676
Speaker 2: and I think when I first moved to this city,

600
00:30:03,116 --> 00:30:04,916
Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of sessions with a lot

601
00:30:04,956 --> 00:30:11,556
Speaker 2: of you know, producers the moment and whatever, and I

602
00:30:11,556 --> 00:30:13,076
Speaker 2: don't know, I was just getting a lot of like

603
00:30:13,276 --> 00:30:17,516
Speaker 2: leaks like music like demo leagues and or them playing

604
00:30:17,756 --> 00:30:19,996
Speaker 2: my songs for other artists that they might get in

605
00:30:20,036 --> 00:30:21,956
Speaker 2: with because they're trying to get placements. And if I'm

606
00:30:21,996 --> 00:30:24,676
Speaker 2: not using it, they're like, well maybe they maybe, And

607
00:30:24,716 --> 00:30:26,716
Speaker 2: I don't I don't write songs for the artists like

608
00:30:26,756 --> 00:30:30,356
Speaker 2: my music is too personal to do that, and they

609
00:30:30,436 --> 00:30:32,436
Speaker 2: would just do it, you know, on their own without

610
00:30:32,516 --> 00:30:35,076
Speaker 2: asking consent first, Like, oh, I played this song for

611
00:30:35,116 --> 00:30:36,876
Speaker 2: so and so and they wanted for the album. Who

612
00:30:36,956 --> 00:30:38,836
Speaker 2: told you that you could play my music for you know?

613
00:30:38,876 --> 00:30:42,716
Speaker 2: I don't like that type of stuff, So yeah, I

614
00:30:42,836 --> 00:30:48,436
Speaker 2: just learned to. I have uh, trusted people that I've

615
00:30:48,436 --> 00:30:50,356
Speaker 2: worked with, Like Josh Crocker worked on a lot of this.

616
00:30:50,636 --> 00:30:51,916
Speaker 2: I've worked with him since Isolation.

617
00:30:52,116 --> 00:30:52,676
Speaker 1: I know him.

618
00:30:52,716 --> 00:30:55,476
Speaker 2: He's really cool, normal dude. He has a family, he

619
00:30:55,476 --> 00:31:00,316
Speaker 2: has kids, he lives all the way in England, and

620
00:31:00,476 --> 00:31:02,436
Speaker 2: I just go back and forth with him, Hey, what

621
00:31:02,476 --> 00:31:04,636
Speaker 2: about this? Add this list to this, da da da da,

622
00:31:04,716 --> 00:31:06,756
Speaker 2: and we just get it done. Dylan Wigan's another person

623
00:31:06,756 --> 00:31:08,836
Speaker 2: who worked a lot on this album, who I've also

624
00:31:08,876 --> 00:31:10,396
Speaker 2: worked with on other projects.

625
00:31:10,716 --> 00:31:13,196
Speaker 1: Is like people part Who's I think rath Faeld, benterview

626
00:31:13,276 --> 00:31:17,396
Speaker 1: rothfel Ones. Is that Raphael's nephew Dylan.

627
00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:19,316
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is, Yeah, because I think.

628
00:31:19,196 --> 00:31:21,236
Speaker 1: He told me he's like, yeah, my nephew Dylan is

629
00:31:21,276 --> 00:31:22,316
Speaker 1: really good someone.

630
00:31:22,396 --> 00:31:24,276
Speaker 2: I think someone did mention it to me the Yeah,

631
00:31:24,316 --> 00:31:27,516
Speaker 2: I think that that rings a bell. Yeah, but yeah, Dylan,

632
00:31:27,556 --> 00:31:29,676
Speaker 2: he's another person who worked a lot on the production

633
00:31:29,796 --> 00:31:34,356
Speaker 2: of this album and the transitions, and but yeah, it's

634
00:31:34,396 --> 00:31:35,756
Speaker 2: just people that I can trust because at the end

635
00:31:35,796 --> 00:31:38,876
Speaker 2: of the day, it's really personal music, and like I said,

636
00:31:38,876 --> 00:31:42,836
Speaker 2: I'm literally sending voice notes of myself with like sometimes

637
00:31:42,876 --> 00:31:45,636
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of chords, sometimes just completely raw to

638
00:31:46,396 --> 00:31:48,156
Speaker 2: you know, these people that I trust, and I'm like, hey,

639
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:50,036
Speaker 2: can you build something like this around it? He's do

640
00:31:50,196 --> 00:31:52,236
Speaker 2: something like this, I'm thinking maybe something. So it's like

641
00:31:52,676 --> 00:31:56,236
Speaker 2: the process of making the songs is a lot more

642
00:31:56,316 --> 00:31:59,236
Speaker 2: raw and a lot more personal than just how people

643
00:31:59,396 --> 00:32:02,196
Speaker 2: just like might just get in a studio together and

644
00:32:02,236 --> 00:32:05,636
Speaker 2: be like play some beats and I'll jump on you know,

645
00:32:05,676 --> 00:32:06,876
Speaker 2: it's not it's not like that.

646
00:32:06,876 --> 00:32:08,116
Speaker 1: That's not the way you make stuff.

647
00:32:08,196 --> 00:32:13,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, personally, so so yeah, I just kind of learned

648
00:32:13,636 --> 00:32:19,516
Speaker 2: to to go with what works, and you know, maybe

649
00:32:19,516 --> 00:32:21,996
Speaker 2: for the next project I'll work differently. But that was

650
00:32:22,036 --> 00:32:23,036
Speaker 2: the process on this one.

651
00:32:24,076 --> 00:32:27,596
Speaker 1: When you announced the new album, you put out a

652
00:32:27,596 --> 00:32:31,116
Speaker 1: statement and part of that statement was essentially you said

653
00:32:31,276 --> 00:32:33,316
Speaker 1: you were so grateful for everyone who was a part

654
00:32:33,316 --> 00:32:36,836
Speaker 1: of you, Like this is a quote everyone part of

655
00:32:36,876 --> 00:32:42,196
Speaker 1: your silent assent, and I was just curious what that

656
00:32:42,236 --> 00:32:47,396
Speaker 1: meant to you, Your viewed, your your rise in your

657
00:32:47,396 --> 00:32:48,236
Speaker 1: career is silent.

658
00:32:49,236 --> 00:32:51,476
Speaker 2: It's so funny when when y'all quote me in these

659
00:32:51,516 --> 00:32:53,476
Speaker 2: interviews and tell me stuff that I posted, because I

660
00:32:53,516 --> 00:32:56,596
Speaker 2: don't ever remember when I posted. I'm always like I

661
00:32:56,636 --> 00:32:57,156
Speaker 2: said that.

662
00:32:57,156 --> 00:32:59,836
Speaker 1: Okay, I would be the same way to quoting things

663
00:32:59,836 --> 00:33:01,876
Speaker 1: back to me. Like you said my producers were hot.

664
00:33:01,996 --> 00:33:02,836
Speaker 1: I did not say that.

665
00:33:03,876 --> 00:33:06,196
Speaker 2: I just I just write stuff on there and just

666
00:33:06,396 --> 00:33:08,516
Speaker 2: I'm just like in the moment with my feelings and

667
00:33:08,556 --> 00:33:13,796
Speaker 2: then yeah, I think, I mean, I think silent a sent.

668
00:33:13,876 --> 00:33:16,236
Speaker 2: It's really just I've never had like a year that

669
00:33:16,356 --> 00:33:19,516
Speaker 2: was like a breakout year. I was like best new

670
00:33:19,596 --> 00:33:21,996
Speaker 2: artists to watch out for, but or whatever. It's like

671
00:33:22,396 --> 00:33:24,836
Speaker 2: I've just grown every year and I've always done better

672
00:33:24,916 --> 00:33:27,316
Speaker 2: than the year before, and I've always like I'm still

673
00:33:27,316 --> 00:33:28,836
Speaker 2: here and a lot of people can't say that. So

674
00:33:29,436 --> 00:33:31,996
Speaker 2: I like that type of trajectory for me, and I

675
00:33:32,036 --> 00:33:36,036
Speaker 2: think it's okay for the artists to also have those

676
00:33:36,036 --> 00:33:38,156
Speaker 2: type of ambitions rather than I think a lot of

677
00:33:38,156 --> 00:33:41,716
Speaker 2: people just want overnight success. And I think that my

678
00:33:41,756 --> 00:33:43,916
Speaker 2: journey's been really beautiful, and I'm really grateful for the

679
00:33:43,956 --> 00:33:46,516
Speaker 2: people that's still here that have been like watching me

680
00:33:46,556 --> 00:33:48,956
Speaker 2: grow literally from day one. It's cool.

681
00:33:49,796 --> 00:33:54,236
Speaker 1: Is there somewhere along did you, like, did that strike

682
00:33:54,276 --> 00:33:56,316
Speaker 1: you somewhere along the line that that's maybe a better

683
00:33:56,356 --> 00:33:58,196
Speaker 1: way to grow your career or did it?

684
00:33:58,476 --> 00:34:02,036
Speaker 2: Like I think everyone, you know, everybody's journey is different,

685
00:34:02,036 --> 00:34:07,236
Speaker 2: everyone's path is different. For me, I never like this,

686
00:34:07,516 --> 00:34:09,796
Speaker 2: that's just personally what I want to for myself. And

687
00:34:09,836 --> 00:34:13,916
Speaker 2: I have a very strong understanding of the type of

688
00:34:14,476 --> 00:34:16,836
Speaker 2: career that I want and how far I want things

689
00:34:16,876 --> 00:34:18,516
Speaker 2: to get, how big I want things to get, and

690
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:21,396
Speaker 2: I know, like you know, my boundaries would work. And

691
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:24,396
Speaker 2: I'm just already very solidified. And you know it's not

692
00:34:24,636 --> 00:34:26,396
Speaker 2: it's not my first rodeo, it's not my first day

693
00:34:26,396 --> 00:34:29,596
Speaker 2: out here, so I already know like what I want

694
00:34:29,596 --> 00:34:33,756
Speaker 2: out of things, and yeah, I just that's for me.

695
00:34:33,956 --> 00:34:37,316
Speaker 2: But everybody's like I said, everybody wants different things for themselves.

696
00:34:37,396 --> 00:34:39,916
Speaker 1: But it's a really refreshing perspective. Like we talked about

697
00:34:39,916 --> 00:34:42,996
Speaker 1: how you kind of can't hang anything on in terms

698
00:34:42,996 --> 00:34:46,756
Speaker 1: of stylistically, like it's like you're able to hold a

699
00:34:46,796 --> 00:34:50,996
Speaker 1: lot of what could be contradictory positions or or you

700
00:34:50,996 --> 00:34:53,356
Speaker 1: know at once, which is really hard for people to do.

701
00:34:53,476 --> 00:34:54,996
Speaker 1: Like you were able to be like no, I'm like,

702
00:34:55,316 --> 00:34:57,756
Speaker 1: I'm an artist who sings in English and Spanish and

703
00:34:57,796 --> 00:34:59,716
Speaker 1: you can't tell me otherwise, and you can't put me

704
00:34:59,756 --> 00:35:03,636
Speaker 1: in that kind of a box. And I'm going to

705
00:35:03,716 --> 00:35:06,076
Speaker 1: make an album that has like a countryish feel to

706
00:35:06,076 --> 00:35:08,116
Speaker 1: it and a do woppy feel to it and like

707
00:35:08,156 --> 00:35:09,916
Speaker 1: a very modern fel to it, and it's all going

708
00:35:09,996 --> 00:35:12,956
Speaker 1: to sound like me. You can't tell me otherwise. And

709
00:35:12,676 --> 00:35:19,116
Speaker 1: and similarly, it's like the idea that like you don't

710
00:35:20,556 --> 00:35:23,076
Speaker 1: you also seem to be like a very private person.

711
00:35:23,596 --> 00:35:26,756
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I've managed to like grow

712
00:35:26,836 --> 00:35:29,556
Speaker 1: a career that is like you know, where you're like

713
00:35:30,036 --> 00:35:33,716
Speaker 1: insanely popular and like have like a legion of fans,

714
00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:37,436
Speaker 1: and like you, it's it's a really refreshing kind of position,

715
00:35:37,516 --> 00:35:40,716
Speaker 1: and it's not something that you know, I don't feel

716
00:35:40,716 --> 00:35:42,396
Speaker 1: like we see a lot, you know.

717
00:35:42,636 --> 00:35:45,236
Speaker 2: Thank you. I want to say I'm insanely popular, but

718
00:35:45,676 --> 00:35:50,476
Speaker 2: I definitely love my fan base because they know, you know,

719
00:35:50,516 --> 00:35:52,756
Speaker 2: they know what it is, and they know they know

720
00:35:53,836 --> 00:35:55,516
Speaker 2: that I'm just going to keep doing what I want

721
00:35:55,516 --> 00:35:58,836
Speaker 2: to do and not to put any type of expectations

722
00:35:58,876 --> 00:36:00,756
Speaker 2: on me beyond that. And I love that.

723
00:36:01,636 --> 00:36:03,476
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you would say you don't feel like

724
00:36:03,516 --> 00:36:06,076
Speaker 1: you're insanely popular, but that it's like, you know, like

725
00:36:06,116 --> 00:36:08,996
Speaker 1: you really, I mean like you. It is wild, like

726
00:36:09,436 --> 00:36:12,196
Speaker 1: you say, like when you said silence sent it made

727
00:36:12,236 --> 00:36:14,076
Speaker 1: me think about it, and it's like you really have

728
00:36:15,276 --> 00:36:20,396
Speaker 1: climb to like from the start of where you before

729
00:36:20,396 --> 00:36:22,516
Speaker 1: we started rolling, you were talking about how you came

730
00:36:22,556 --> 00:36:26,516
Speaker 1: to la like right after high school, and then you

731
00:36:26,556 --> 00:36:28,556
Speaker 1: just sort of start to think about the directory of

732
00:36:28,596 --> 00:36:30,596
Speaker 1: your career and how you've kind of really done it

733
00:36:30,756 --> 00:36:33,516
Speaker 1: in this really unique organic fashion. But you really have

734
00:36:33,676 --> 00:36:37,236
Speaker 1: like grown your creator like this incredible consciously or not

735
00:36:37,356 --> 00:36:41,636
Speaker 1: like this, Like you're like one of the great young

736
00:36:41,796 --> 00:36:44,716
Speaker 1: singers and one of the great young artists. And that's

737
00:36:44,756 --> 00:36:47,676
Speaker 1: like that's not I don't know, it's not up for question.

738
00:36:47,756 --> 00:36:54,116
Speaker 1: I don't think you. I appreciate you. What your first

739
00:36:54,156 --> 00:36:58,036
Speaker 1: tour was with Leon Bridges about about a decade ago.

740
00:36:58,956 --> 00:37:01,676
Speaker 2: Was that my first tour? Yeah, actually it was my

741
00:37:01,676 --> 00:37:02,116
Speaker 2: first tour.

742
00:37:02,236 --> 00:37:04,876
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I could be wrong.

743
00:37:05,036 --> 00:37:07,476
Speaker 2: I think it was my first time being on the road. Yes,

744
00:37:08,436 --> 00:37:12,396
Speaker 2: in a Yeah, it was I had done like little festivals,

745
00:37:12,396 --> 00:37:13,636
Speaker 2: but that was my first actual tour.

746
00:37:13,796 --> 00:37:16,796
Speaker 1: Yeah, after one last break, we'll be back with the

747
00:37:16,796 --> 00:37:24,436
Speaker 1: rest of my conversation with cali Ucciese. Tell me about

748
00:37:24,436 --> 00:37:26,636
Speaker 1: your evolution in terms of your live performance and how

749
00:37:26,636 --> 00:37:31,156
Speaker 1: you approach performing now than you did ten years ago,

750
00:37:31,236 --> 00:37:32,916
Speaker 1: opening up or touring with Leon.

751
00:37:34,956 --> 00:37:37,956
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I think that I think that

752
00:37:38,116 --> 00:37:40,396
Speaker 2: a lot, especially back then, like a lot of my

753
00:37:41,596 --> 00:37:44,716
Speaker 2: work was just me never being prepared for what I

754
00:37:44,796 --> 00:37:48,156
Speaker 2: was doing. I'd just be just speaking honestly. So the

755
00:37:48,196 --> 00:37:49,996
Speaker 2: same way I told you, like, I just put music

756
00:37:50,036 --> 00:37:52,076
Speaker 2: out like on that piit or whatever, and I didn't

757
00:37:52,116 --> 00:37:54,676
Speaker 2: actually realize so many people are gonna listen to it,

758
00:37:54,716 --> 00:37:56,596
Speaker 2: and then I took it down. It's the same way

759
00:37:56,636 --> 00:37:59,356
Speaker 2: with the toying, where it was like I was just told, like,

760
00:37:59,796 --> 00:38:02,956
Speaker 2: this is really important, you have to do it, and

761
00:38:03,036 --> 00:38:05,436
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, because I felt it was my

762
00:38:05,476 --> 00:38:09,276
Speaker 2: obligation to do so. But I didn't shouldn't have I've

763
00:38:09,276 --> 00:38:10,876
Speaker 2: really been doing that at the time. I probably should

764
00:38:10,876 --> 00:38:14,676
Speaker 2: have been preparing myself as an artist to like learn,

765
00:38:14,716 --> 00:38:19,636
Speaker 2: you know, I just kind of did things that was

766
00:38:19,716 --> 00:38:21,356
Speaker 2: just the time in my life where I was just

767
00:38:21,396 --> 00:38:24,196
Speaker 2: like I was just doing things. I just threw myself

768
00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:26,516
Speaker 2: out there, and I just had a lot of experiences

769
00:38:26,556 --> 00:38:32,036
Speaker 2: and I just I learned from experience. And when I

770
00:38:32,076 --> 00:38:35,316
Speaker 2: realized later, like, oh, artists actually go through artists development,

771
00:38:35,556 --> 00:38:39,476
Speaker 2: and they actually developed themselves first before they just go

772
00:38:39,556 --> 00:38:41,756
Speaker 2: on the road all willy nilly, or before they just

773
00:38:41,796 --> 00:38:44,316
Speaker 2: put out a project all willy nilly, or you know,

774
00:38:44,476 --> 00:38:46,156
Speaker 2: like I didn't know those type of things. I was

775
00:38:46,236 --> 00:38:51,356
Speaker 2: very naive. I was young, and I didn't know any better.

776
00:38:52,276 --> 00:38:55,276
Speaker 2: So essentially, I will say I wasted a lot of time,

777
00:38:55,316 --> 00:38:57,636
Speaker 2: Like I feel like that was a waste of time, but.

778
00:39:00,396 --> 00:39:02,956
Speaker 1: It was, you know, I learned waste of time because

779
00:39:03,036 --> 00:39:05,636
Speaker 1: you just weren't It wasn't I wasn't actually put yourself

780
00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:06,036
Speaker 1: into it.

781
00:39:06,076 --> 00:39:11,196
Speaker 2: I was actually prepared for it. Yeah, and and yeah,

782
00:39:11,236 --> 00:39:12,956
Speaker 2: I mean it's really hard. You know, being an opener

783
00:39:13,076 --> 00:39:15,956
Speaker 2: is really really hard. It's really it's really emotionally and

784
00:39:15,956 --> 00:39:19,756
Speaker 2: physically training, especially as a girl. You're not in the

785
00:39:19,796 --> 00:39:22,836
Speaker 2: type of city it's not glamorous whatsoever, Like it's not

786
00:39:22,916 --> 00:39:28,636
Speaker 2: even decent. So it was just it's not so Yeah,

787
00:39:28,716 --> 00:39:32,716
Speaker 2: I would say I would say that you know, it

788
00:39:32,876 --> 00:39:35,836
Speaker 2: was a time in my life. I was young, and

789
00:39:35,876 --> 00:39:42,156
Speaker 2: I was just I've always been very much learn from

790
00:39:42,196 --> 00:39:43,236
Speaker 2: experience type.

791
00:39:42,996 --> 00:39:46,236
Speaker 1: Of person, So how do you approach it now differently now,

792
00:39:46,276 --> 00:39:48,956
Speaker 1: like a decade later, Like if that was less less

793
00:39:48,996 --> 00:39:50,316
Speaker 1: than decent, I was.

794
00:39:50,236 --> 00:39:52,876
Speaker 2: A hands on learner, So I would just call that

795
00:39:52,956 --> 00:39:55,876
Speaker 2: a learning experience. But if I could, if I could

796
00:39:55,916 --> 00:40:00,676
Speaker 2: give a young artist advice and to learn from my

797
00:40:01,076 --> 00:40:05,716
Speaker 2: mistakes in my career, I would say to really take

798
00:40:05,756 --> 00:40:10,356
Speaker 2: your time cultivating yourself as an artist first, cultivating your music,

799
00:40:10,956 --> 00:40:14,956
Speaker 2: learning more about yourself the type of performer you want

800
00:40:14,956 --> 00:40:19,116
Speaker 2: to be. I don't know. I think I would have

801
00:40:19,356 --> 00:40:22,716
Speaker 2: maybe taken that route. Who knows, But who knows. What's

802
00:40:22,756 --> 00:40:23,356
Speaker 2: done is done.

803
00:40:23,396 --> 00:40:25,796
Speaker 1: And it's cool you figured it, like you you've kind

804
00:40:25,796 --> 00:40:26,876
Speaker 1: of figured it out.

805
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:29,596
Speaker 2: I went to where I needed to be in the

806
00:40:29,716 --> 00:40:32,996
Speaker 2: end regardless, but I definitely there was a lot of

807
00:40:32,996 --> 00:40:33,756
Speaker 2: bumps in the road.

808
00:40:33,836 --> 00:40:37,876
Speaker 1: I mean, you've cultivated a really cool, really great like

809
00:40:37,996 --> 00:40:43,716
Speaker 1: stage presence and persona, and like I feel like your shows,

810
00:40:43,996 --> 00:40:47,076
Speaker 1: your live performances are the exact opposite of what you

811
00:40:47,116 --> 00:40:49,436
Speaker 1: were describing that as, like you not being prepared, Like

812
00:40:49,556 --> 00:40:51,956
Speaker 1: I feel like everything's pretty intentional now in terms of

813
00:40:52,316 --> 00:40:53,516
Speaker 1: the way you perform, and.

814
00:40:53,676 --> 00:40:56,396
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, things are way different now. Things are way

815
00:40:56,436 --> 00:40:58,636
Speaker 2: way different now. But I mean I had to learn

816
00:40:58,676 --> 00:41:01,596
Speaker 2: through the experiences, so I won't say it was all,

817
00:41:02,196 --> 00:41:06,956
Speaker 2: you know, terrible, but what I have done things differently

818
00:41:07,116 --> 00:41:08,116
Speaker 2: with and knowledge you have now.

819
00:41:08,196 --> 00:41:12,276
Speaker 1: Yes, when did you finally get comfortable on stage?

820
00:41:12,596 --> 00:41:15,196
Speaker 2: I never was nervous to go on stage. I never

821
00:41:15,276 --> 00:41:18,596
Speaker 2: had like nerves to get on stage. So I won't

822
00:41:18,636 --> 00:41:22,596
Speaker 2: say that it was necessarily about me getting comfortable on stage.

823
00:41:23,556 --> 00:41:28,116
Speaker 2: I will say it was more so me learning about

824
00:41:28,276 --> 00:41:30,076
Speaker 2: the type of show that I wanted to put on,

825
00:41:30,276 --> 00:41:34,996
Speaker 2: and get in touch with myself as a performer, and

826
00:41:35,076 --> 00:41:38,316
Speaker 2: just all of those regular growing pains of an artist.

827
00:41:38,756 --> 00:41:42,076
Speaker 1: What have been some of your favorite moments performing live?

828
00:41:43,156 --> 00:41:46,956
Speaker 2: My favorite moments performing live? Well, I actually think it

829
00:41:46,996 --> 00:41:49,756
Speaker 2: was really cool that I did get to do shows pregnant,

830
00:41:50,676 --> 00:41:53,636
Speaker 2: because my baby can say that he was on stage,

831
00:41:54,356 --> 00:41:56,516
Speaker 2: which is fun, and it was fun. He used to

832
00:41:56,556 --> 00:42:00,436
Speaker 2: be kicking. He used to be kicking, and he loves music,

833
00:42:00,636 --> 00:42:03,916
Speaker 2: so I feel like, you know, maybe that had some

834
00:42:03,956 --> 00:42:06,316
Speaker 2: type of influence on him that he loves music, because

835
00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:08,316
Speaker 2: he was definitely always around music when he was in

836
00:42:08,396 --> 00:42:14,636
Speaker 2: my belly. That was really fun. And what else has

837
00:42:14,676 --> 00:42:15,556
Speaker 2: been really fun?

838
00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:20,196
Speaker 1: There have been any places where you feel like the

839
00:42:20,236 --> 00:42:23,356
Speaker 1: audience with the crowd is particularly I.

840
00:42:23,356 --> 00:42:26,156
Speaker 2: Always have a really great audience in Texas. Texas always

841
00:42:26,156 --> 00:42:29,956
Speaker 2: has had a lot of love for me. Austin, Dallas, Houston,

842
00:42:29,996 --> 00:42:31,756
Speaker 2: They've always had a lot of love, I believe it.

843
00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:38,796
Speaker 2: Chicago they always show a lot of love. Florida, but

844
00:42:39,156 --> 00:42:47,036
Speaker 2: obviously La is always like they go the craziest and Yeah,

845
00:42:47,036 --> 00:42:48,676
Speaker 2: I would say those are the ones that stand out

846
00:42:48,676 --> 00:42:50,356
Speaker 2: the most to me when I'm on tour. I'm always

847
00:42:50,396 --> 00:42:51,716
Speaker 2: excited to hit those cities.

848
00:42:51,876 --> 00:42:54,396
Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas, I'm late and it's great, so cool. You

849
00:42:54,436 --> 00:42:56,076
Speaker 1: have a house in Houston too, because I feel like

850
00:42:56,116 --> 00:42:59,916
Speaker 1: Houston is one of the most underappreciated cities. Anytime I

851
00:42:59,956 --> 00:43:02,876
Speaker 1: go to Houston, it is the greatest time of my life.

852
00:43:03,356 --> 00:43:04,436
Speaker 1: The people are incredible.

853
00:43:04,556 --> 00:43:06,356
Speaker 2: Yeah, people show a lot of love there. I have

854
00:43:06,396 --> 00:43:08,636
Speaker 2: a lot of fans there and they always show, you know,

855
00:43:08,756 --> 00:43:12,356
Speaker 2: genuine and genuine love and it's a nice it's a

856
00:43:12,476 --> 00:43:15,476
Speaker 2: nice you know, just different pace from from out here.

857
00:43:15,836 --> 00:43:20,156
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what are you going to? Uh? Are you

858
00:43:20,156 --> 00:43:23,196
Speaker 1: going to tour this album? Or are you gonna yeah, yeah, okay,

859
00:43:23,276 --> 00:43:26,076
Speaker 1: what it was the one of you going out.

860
00:43:26,116 --> 00:43:29,836
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a summer tour. Yeah, cool, Yes, it's

861
00:43:29,836 --> 00:43:34,676
Speaker 2: gonna be really fun because I didn't get to I

862
00:43:34,716 --> 00:43:37,756
Speaker 2: didn't get to do anis tour because literally right after

863
00:43:38,036 --> 00:43:42,956
Speaker 2: my album, I gave birth, So I wasn't I had

864
00:43:42,956 --> 00:43:45,836
Speaker 2: to sit that one out, and I just, you know,

865
00:43:45,916 --> 00:43:47,916
Speaker 2: so much other stuff is going on. I'm glad I said.

866
00:43:47,996 --> 00:43:53,596
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able obviously, but now I'm planning

867
00:43:53,596 --> 00:43:56,716
Speaker 2: to basically just have another part of the show that's

868
00:43:56,716 --> 00:44:00,556
Speaker 2: dedicated to so that I'm able to do that as well.

869
00:44:01,956 --> 00:44:05,556
Speaker 1: You're you're talking about how you performed when you were

870
00:44:05,556 --> 00:44:07,756
Speaker 1: pregnant and how your kid loves music. What I was

871
00:44:07,756 --> 00:44:10,876
Speaker 1: just curious, what music do you play around the house

872
00:44:10,916 --> 00:44:11,716
Speaker 1: for you for your kid?

873
00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:14,596
Speaker 2: A lot of I want to say, a lot of eighties,

874
00:44:14,596 --> 00:44:22,956
Speaker 2: a lot of nineties. He loves uh. He loves Forget

875
00:44:22,956 --> 00:44:25,316
Speaker 2: Me Not by Petries. It's like one of his favorite.

876
00:44:27,436 --> 00:44:29,996
Speaker 2: He loves that song. I played Funky Town for him

877
00:44:30,036 --> 00:44:31,716
Speaker 2: all the time. I seen him that one all the time.

878
00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:34,556
Speaker 2: He loves that one. So yeah, we listen to a

879
00:44:34,556 --> 00:44:39,196
Speaker 2: lot of you know that in that world type of music,

880
00:44:39,476 --> 00:44:43,396
Speaker 2: do you. But he loves all types of music. He's

881
00:44:43,436 --> 00:44:46,676
Speaker 2: he's an avid music He's just obsessed with music.

882
00:44:46,756 --> 00:44:48,916
Speaker 1: Are you introducing him to like to Latin music too?

883
00:44:49,196 --> 00:44:52,436
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh yeah. I played him like Vagenatos. It's

884
00:44:52,476 --> 00:44:55,636
Speaker 2: something that we have from specifically from Colombia, and he

885
00:44:55,756 --> 00:44:57,556
Speaker 2: loves Vagenatos. He loves it.

886
00:44:58,196 --> 00:45:00,156
Speaker 1: How was going down to Columbia by the way, as

887
00:45:00,636 --> 00:45:02,356
Speaker 1: the artist you are now like versus you know what

888
00:45:02,396 --> 00:45:02,636
Speaker 1: I mean?

889
00:45:04,036 --> 00:45:07,436
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. It's beautiful because there's really nobody who's come

890
00:45:07,476 --> 00:45:09,996
Speaker 2: out of my hometown. So I get a lot of

891
00:45:09,996 --> 00:45:13,756
Speaker 2: love when I'm there, and it's a really humbling experience.

892
00:45:13,796 --> 00:45:16,276
Speaker 2: To just be back home and get shown that type

893
00:45:16,276 --> 00:45:17,796
Speaker 2: of love is amazing.

894
00:45:18,196 --> 00:45:19,996
Speaker 1: And you're still able to be there and sort of live,

895
00:45:20,316 --> 00:45:24,836
Speaker 1: Uh are you able to? Are you able to enjoy

896
00:45:25,236 --> 00:45:27,116
Speaker 1: the country still? Like it's not like.

897
00:45:27,116 --> 00:45:30,836
Speaker 2: People are really respectful. And my town is a small town,

898
00:45:30,916 --> 00:45:34,116
Speaker 2: so it's like people will know and they'll just be respectful.

899
00:45:34,236 --> 00:45:36,956
Speaker 2: You know, we take pictures, we sign stuff whatever, but

900
00:45:37,396 --> 00:45:38,396
Speaker 2: people are respectful.

901
00:45:38,996 --> 00:45:43,436
Speaker 1: Yeah. Noticing the tattoo on your arm, that's your that's

902
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:44,876
Speaker 1: your dad signature, right.

903
00:45:44,796 --> 00:45:47,916
Speaker 2: That's that'sport yeah, signature coming to America.

904
00:45:47,596 --> 00:45:53,436
Speaker 1: From coming to America. Right, how much does you like

905
00:45:53,516 --> 00:46:02,036
Speaker 1: your your family's immigration story playing to how you you

906
00:46:02,036 --> 00:46:03,876
Speaker 1: you view yourself. I guess you know how much of

907
00:46:03,916 --> 00:46:05,836
Speaker 1: that feels like it's a part of your story.

908
00:46:05,956 --> 00:46:09,636
Speaker 2: I think just growing up in a household that was

909
00:46:09,676 --> 00:46:14,796
Speaker 2: full of genuinely hardworking people that always taught me that

910
00:46:14,836 --> 00:46:17,676
Speaker 2: in life, you know, nothing comes easy and you don't

911
00:46:17,716 --> 00:46:21,276
Speaker 2: just get handed anything. And also just learning to be resourceful,

912
00:46:21,436 --> 00:46:24,116
Speaker 2: like you know, when I was going to school in Columbia,

913
00:46:24,196 --> 00:46:27,196
Speaker 2: like having to heat up our own water and having

914
00:46:27,236 --> 00:46:29,396
Speaker 2: to get resourceful when it came to washing clothes. You know,

915
00:46:29,436 --> 00:46:32,796
Speaker 2: we didn't have dishwasher. We didn't have sorry, not dishwasher,

916
00:46:32,836 --> 00:46:37,876
Speaker 2: a laundry washer whatever it's called, clo washer washer, we

917
00:46:37,876 --> 00:46:39,356
Speaker 2: didn't have those type of things. We had to get

918
00:46:39,356 --> 00:46:42,316
Speaker 2: resourceful with everything that we did. And I think just

919
00:46:42,516 --> 00:46:47,436
Speaker 2: growing up with the mentality of having to figure things out,

920
00:46:48,196 --> 00:46:49,916
Speaker 2: it makes you a lot more creative as a kid

921
00:46:49,956 --> 00:46:57,876
Speaker 2: as well. You find creative alternatives to everything, and it

922
00:46:57,996 --> 00:47:00,596
Speaker 2: definitely gives you that backbone that you need in the

923
00:47:00,636 --> 00:47:04,796
Speaker 2: world of just always having to row with the punches

924
00:47:04,796 --> 00:47:06,436
Speaker 2: in life because you never know what's gonna happen?

925
00:47:07,956 --> 00:47:11,316
Speaker 1: And then you. I found it interesting that you grew

926
00:47:11,396 --> 00:47:19,116
Speaker 1: up in a very Salvadorian, very Salvadorian part of Virginia

927
00:47:19,636 --> 00:47:22,076
Speaker 1: that I also realized. I also found out I was

928
00:47:22,116 --> 00:47:24,876
Speaker 1: looking at stuff. Dave Grohl from The Food Fighters grew

929
00:47:24,956 --> 00:47:27,436
Speaker 1: up there, recorded like a Food Fighters album out of

930
00:47:27,436 --> 00:47:29,836
Speaker 1: his house that I don't even know. He's not Latino,

931
00:47:29,996 --> 00:47:31,836
Speaker 1: but she is. I don't want to take that away

932
00:47:31,836 --> 00:47:33,876
Speaker 1: from him, maybe as he did. He grew up in Chiliagua. Yeah,

933
00:47:34,436 --> 00:47:38,916
Speaker 1: and Alexander Alexandria Alexandria in Chiliagua.

934
00:47:39,916 --> 00:47:42,516
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that they were from v A.

935
00:47:42,676 --> 00:47:45,396
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's They recorded like one of their big albums there,

936
00:47:45,516 --> 00:47:51,756
Speaker 1: the third album, I think. But like like having your

937
00:47:51,756 --> 00:47:55,916
Speaker 1: Columbia roots grown up around Salvadorians, coming to La so

938
00:47:56,036 --> 00:48:01,396
Speaker 1: young and having that, you know, the Mexican influence that's here,

939
00:48:02,676 --> 00:48:05,716
Speaker 1: did you It has did that impact like at all,

940
00:48:05,796 --> 00:48:09,516
Speaker 1: the way you view your your your your the way

941
00:48:09,556 --> 00:48:12,996
Speaker 1: you relate to like Latin America, because it feels like

942
00:48:12,996 --> 00:48:17,236
Speaker 1: you've had a really broad upbringing in terms of your

943
00:48:17,356 --> 00:48:18,956
Speaker 1: you know, people tend to think of Latinos as like

944
00:48:19,036 --> 00:48:21,596
Speaker 1: one group y but like Columbias are very different than

945
00:48:21,596 --> 00:48:22,396
Speaker 1: the South of Dorians.

946
00:48:22,516 --> 00:48:25,436
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, but I mean we all have underlying

947
00:48:25,636 --> 00:48:29,676
Speaker 2: like we all have similar cultures in a sense. And

948
00:48:29,716 --> 00:48:35,716
Speaker 2: I think for me that my uncle, he's Mexican, he

949
00:48:35,796 --> 00:48:38,556
Speaker 2: also raised me, and he also exposed me to a

950
00:48:38,596 --> 00:48:41,116
Speaker 2: lot of like oh these and a lot of the

951
00:48:41,156 --> 00:48:43,996
Speaker 2: Mexican La culture because it's actually from out here, not

952
00:48:43,996 --> 00:48:46,476
Speaker 2: from specifically LA, but he's from California, so he's like,

953
00:48:47,236 --> 00:48:50,236
Speaker 2: you know, I think that definitely played a role as well.

954
00:48:50,276 --> 00:48:52,116
Speaker 2: So before I even moved out here, a lot of

955
00:48:52,116 --> 00:48:55,116
Speaker 2: people back home would always ask me, you're not from here.

956
00:48:55,156 --> 00:48:58,036
Speaker 2: You're from the You're from the West Coast, aren't you

957
00:48:58,076 --> 00:49:00,236
Speaker 2: You're not East Coast? And I would be like, no,

958
00:49:00,316 --> 00:49:01,956
Speaker 2: I am from here, and they will always tell me like, no,

959
00:49:01,996 --> 00:49:04,156
Speaker 2: you're from You're from LA. You're probably from like random

960
00:49:04,156 --> 00:49:06,116
Speaker 2: people who if I was at the mall, if I

961
00:49:06,196 --> 00:49:08,796
Speaker 2: was out somewhere like getting the train or whatever, wherever

962
00:49:08,796 --> 00:49:12,356
Speaker 2: I would people used to always say that I seemed

963
00:49:12,396 --> 00:49:14,076
Speaker 2: like I was from LA, like since I was young.

964
00:49:14,436 --> 00:49:17,836
Speaker 2: So I think I've just always had different influences because

965
00:49:17,876 --> 00:49:20,636
Speaker 2: of Yeah, all the different people that raised me and

966
00:49:20,996 --> 00:49:22,756
Speaker 2: different things that I got exposed.

967
00:49:22,316 --> 00:49:25,316
Speaker 1: To really in Angelina. I can't believe you.

968
00:49:26,116 --> 00:49:29,196
Speaker 2: But now, yeah, well, now, now you know, I've lived

969
00:49:29,196 --> 00:49:31,996
Speaker 2: here for so long that it really does feel like home,

970
00:49:32,116 --> 00:49:36,436
Speaker 2: my second home. But but yeah, I don't know. People

971
00:49:36,476 --> 00:49:37,956
Speaker 2: always thought that I was from here. That's why I

972
00:49:37,996 --> 00:49:40,276
Speaker 2: was like, I might as well move there, because clearly

973
00:49:40,396 --> 00:49:43,076
Speaker 2: something's going on over there that is connecting with me.

974
00:49:43,156 --> 00:49:46,156
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to work with me from out there, and

975
00:49:46,396 --> 00:49:48,556
Speaker 2: I got so much love and support out there versus

976
00:49:48,956 --> 00:49:52,476
Speaker 2: you know, where I was living. It was really hard

977
00:49:52,476 --> 00:49:55,396
Speaker 2: to break out of like the DMV area. With the

978
00:49:55,396 --> 00:49:57,796
Speaker 2: type of music that I was doing, I would get love,

979
00:49:57,956 --> 00:50:00,916
Speaker 2: but it wasn't the same as out here. It wasn't

980
00:50:01,036 --> 00:50:04,676
Speaker 2: not at all. I mean even now even now, you know,

981
00:50:06,476 --> 00:50:09,076
Speaker 2: the love isn't the same there. Like if I do

982
00:50:09,276 --> 00:50:11,636
Speaker 2: show there as it is here and technically like that's

983
00:50:11,636 --> 00:50:14,356
Speaker 2: a hometown show, but out here feels like a hometown show.

984
00:50:14,876 --> 00:50:18,116
Speaker 2: It's weird. I don't know why. I just glad we

985
00:50:18,156 --> 00:50:21,436
Speaker 2: can provide that you guys. Thank you guys.

986
00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:25,756
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, just because I love that song

987
00:50:25,796 --> 00:50:28,196
Speaker 1: so much. Can you talk about the genesis of I

988
00:50:28,236 --> 00:50:29,636
Speaker 1: Love you so much it hurts?

989
00:50:29,836 --> 00:50:37,636
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, what was the first lines? Yeah, I love

990
00:50:37,676 --> 00:50:40,796
Speaker 2: my baby. Nothing else compares. When I look into his

991
00:50:40,796 --> 00:50:42,716
Speaker 2: brown eyes, it leaves me full of tears, crying so

992
00:50:43,276 --> 00:50:46,716
Speaker 2: pretty much the whole first month of me giving birth

993
00:50:46,756 --> 00:50:49,236
Speaker 2: to my baby, every time that we would make eye contact,

994
00:50:49,676 --> 00:50:52,036
Speaker 2: it would make me cry. I really felt like I

995
00:50:52,036 --> 00:50:53,596
Speaker 2: could see into his soul and like he was seeing

996
00:50:53,636 --> 00:50:55,996
Speaker 2: into my soul, and it was just, you know, a

997
00:50:55,996 --> 00:50:58,276
Speaker 2: connection that I had never ever felt before. I felt

998
00:50:58,516 --> 00:51:02,156
Speaker 2: like fully seen for what felt like the first time

999
00:51:02,156 --> 00:51:04,156
Speaker 2: I ever Like I felt like somebody really really saw

1000
00:51:04,276 --> 00:51:10,116
Speaker 2: me and that I finally had, you know, this family

1001
00:51:10,516 --> 00:51:13,636
Speaker 2: that I always wanted and that was really always my dream.

1002
00:51:13,756 --> 00:51:17,436
Speaker 2: And I just immediately got inspired to write the song

1003
00:51:17,476 --> 00:51:19,956
Speaker 2: because of that. I feel like music is subjective, and

1004
00:51:19,996 --> 00:51:22,756
Speaker 2: a lot of people have had a discourse about whether

1005
00:51:22,836 --> 00:51:25,116
Speaker 2: or not it's appropriate for people to dedicate the song

1006
00:51:25,156 --> 00:51:28,276
Speaker 2: to a partner or you know, to other people. That's

1007
00:51:28,276 --> 00:51:30,196
Speaker 2: for me, I just want to say, that's perfectly fine

1008
00:51:30,236 --> 00:51:35,076
Speaker 2: with me. You know, I can be interpreted however you

1009
00:51:35,076 --> 00:51:39,036
Speaker 2: want to interpret it. You know, I even had people

1010
00:51:39,036 --> 00:51:41,396
Speaker 2: on my team that didn't really want me to lean

1011
00:51:41,436 --> 00:51:44,516
Speaker 2: into the real you know, talking about my son too much.

1012
00:51:44,516 --> 00:51:45,996
Speaker 2: Because they're like, oh, it's not going to be as

1013
00:51:46,036 --> 00:51:49,836
Speaker 2: relatable to people who aren't parents, and I'm like, but

1014
00:51:49,916 --> 00:51:55,196
Speaker 2: everybody has a mom. But I don't know. I guess

1015
00:51:55,476 --> 00:51:59,756
Speaker 2: I feel like that's just the truth of how the

1016
00:51:59,756 --> 00:52:03,196
Speaker 2: song came to be and what inspired me was just

1017
00:52:03,356 --> 00:52:05,956
Speaker 2: my son and that beautiful feeling that I had never

1018
00:52:06,036 --> 00:52:07,236
Speaker 2: ever felt before in my life.

1019
00:52:07,756 --> 00:52:11,636
Speaker 1: Were surprised by that feeling and that connection and that

1020
00:52:11,716 --> 00:52:13,356
Speaker 1: amount of love was it?

1021
00:52:13,756 --> 00:52:17,356
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I even know people who

1022
00:52:18,116 --> 00:52:21,396
Speaker 2: I've heard stories about people giving birth and not having

1023
00:52:21,436 --> 00:52:25,196
Speaker 2: a connection with their child and you know, feeling not

1024
00:52:25,316 --> 00:52:28,196
Speaker 2: understanding why they maybe didn't have. And I was I'm

1025
00:52:28,236 --> 00:52:30,156
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. I was scared. I was like what if.

1026
00:52:30,436 --> 00:52:32,116
Speaker 2: I was like, what if I give birth and I

1027
00:52:32,156 --> 00:52:35,756
Speaker 2: don't have this connection like this motherly intuition or this

1028
00:52:35,836 --> 00:52:38,156
Speaker 2: you know. I was scared. I didn't know what was

1029
00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:39,676
Speaker 2: going to happen or what I was going to feel.

1030
00:52:39,876 --> 00:52:43,436
Speaker 2: And it was just such an overwhelming I mean, we both,

1031
00:52:43,676 --> 00:52:46,196
Speaker 2: you know, me and Don both as soon as I

1032
00:52:46,236 --> 00:52:48,916
Speaker 2: gave birth to him becaue. He helped me the whole time.

1033
00:52:48,916 --> 00:52:52,636
Speaker 2: He helped me give birth, and he assisted me the

1034
00:52:52,756 --> 00:52:54,516
Speaker 2: entire time and then as soon as he was out,

1035
00:52:54,636 --> 00:52:56,596
Speaker 2: we just held him and we cried together. So I

1036
00:52:56,636 --> 00:52:58,116
Speaker 2: know that he felt it too, like it was a

1037
00:52:58,236 --> 00:53:03,636
Speaker 2: very overwhelmingly emotional moment. But it continued on for me

1038
00:53:03,836 --> 00:53:07,676
Speaker 2: at least for weeks where any time I looked into

1039
00:53:07,716 --> 00:53:12,236
Speaker 2: his eyes, it was just an undescribable feeling of emotion.

1040
00:53:13,556 --> 00:53:16,476
Speaker 1: And you always knew it's interesting, so you always knew

1041
00:53:16,476 --> 00:53:17,316
Speaker 1: you wanted to be a parent.

1042
00:53:18,036 --> 00:53:20,196
Speaker 2: I had different faces when I was really little. I

1043
00:53:20,236 --> 00:53:22,516
Speaker 2: was definitely that little girl that used to come up

1044
00:53:22,556 --> 00:53:24,996
Speaker 2: with a bunch of names in my little journal. I

1045
00:53:25,076 --> 00:53:27,036
Speaker 2: was like, this is what I'm gonna name my kids

1046
00:53:27,036 --> 00:53:29,836
Speaker 2: one day, and I thought, you know, I always used

1047
00:53:29,876 --> 00:53:31,956
Speaker 2: to carry my little doll around and I wanted to,

1048
00:53:32,116 --> 00:53:34,836
Speaker 2: you know, when I was really little. And then you know,

1049
00:53:34,836 --> 00:53:36,756
Speaker 2: you get in that teenage era and you're like, I

1050
00:53:36,756 --> 00:53:41,316
Speaker 2: will never bring kids into this fucked up world and whatever.

1051
00:53:41,756 --> 00:53:44,676
Speaker 2: And I even got a tattooed right here. That was

1052
00:53:44,676 --> 00:53:46,796
Speaker 2: my first tattoo. I was like sixteen when I got

1053
00:53:46,796 --> 00:53:49,636
Speaker 2: this tiger tattoo I have here, and I had friends

1054
00:53:49,636 --> 00:53:51,156
Speaker 2: that were like, but what if you get pregnant, You're

1055
00:53:51,156 --> 00:53:52,836
Speaker 2: gonna stretch the tattoo. I did it, and I was like,

1056
00:53:53,116 --> 00:53:54,956
Speaker 2: I will never get pregnant. I'm not gonna do that

1057
00:53:54,996 --> 00:53:57,996
Speaker 2: to myself. I'm not gonna have a baby. That's crazy.

1058
00:53:58,156 --> 00:54:01,516
Speaker 2: And then I got pregnant, and luckily my tattoo is

1059
00:54:01,556 --> 00:54:07,316
Speaker 2: just fine. Is fine, It's perfectly fine. It was just

1060
00:54:07,396 --> 00:54:10,356
Speaker 2: funny when I was pregnant because it's like all lopsided.

1061
00:54:10,476 --> 00:54:13,796
Speaker 2: The title was like, we're going to the opposite seration.

1062
00:54:13,956 --> 00:54:17,036
Speaker 2: But I went right back into place somehow, So everything

1063
00:54:17,116 --> 00:54:20,156
Speaker 2: is fine. We're all good. Me and the tiger. My

1064
00:54:20,196 --> 00:54:22,476
Speaker 2: son loves the tattoo. He loves tigers, so every time

1065
00:54:22,756 --> 00:54:25,316
Speaker 2: he makes me show him the tiger and he's like raves.

1066
00:54:25,836 --> 00:54:26,756
Speaker 2: He lives that tattoo.

1067
00:54:26,956 --> 00:54:27,676
Speaker 1: That's adorable.

1068
00:54:27,716 --> 00:54:29,116
Speaker 2: It all worked out well.

1069
00:54:30,676 --> 00:54:31,676
Speaker 1: Do you want to have more kids?

1070
00:54:31,676 --> 00:54:34,476
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's like, yeah, maybe like two

1071
00:54:34,556 --> 00:54:35,036
Speaker 2: or three more.

1072
00:54:36,196 --> 00:54:37,956
Speaker 1: It's encouraging to meet. I feel like I talked to

1073
00:54:37,996 --> 00:54:39,956
Speaker 1: so many people don't want to have kids or don't

1074
00:54:39,956 --> 00:54:41,836
Speaker 1: have and I'm like, man, I feel like sometimes I'm like,

1075
00:54:42,156 --> 00:54:43,996
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it sometimes, you know, and

1076
00:54:44,196 --> 00:54:47,956
Speaker 1: especially when you have a kid and you work in

1077
00:54:47,996 --> 00:54:51,396
Speaker 1: an industry that's less than traditional, you know, it can

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Speaker 2: And it's something not easy. It's not easy at all,

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Speaker 2: but for me, it's very much worth it. It's very

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Speaker 1: How are you navigating that part of it now?

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Speaker 2: It's just still learning to navigate it, you know, Like

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Speaker 2: I said, the boundaries with work and being able to understand,

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Speaker 2: And as long as I keep doing that, I feel

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, cal Is you thanks so much for thank

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Speaker 2: It's a great talk. Thank you.

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