Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show. So looking up at ABC News,
Speaker 1: US begins mass deportation of Haitian immigrants. It seems to
Speaker 1: me that the White House has decided America is not
Speaker 1: gonna like this. We need to do something about this fast.
Speaker 1: As we checked in on the border last week and
Speaker 1: there were thousands and thousands of thousands of people coming across,
Speaker 1: and a lot more people came across over the weekend. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: the flow continues. You may recall late last week we
Speaker 1: talked to Todd Benzman, senior National security fellow at the
Speaker 1: Center for Immigration Studies, also the author of a new book,
Speaker 1: America's Covert Border War. Todd, welcome back. We understand you've
Speaker 1: been a further investigating the last several days. What have
Speaker 1: you learned, right, Well, I just came back from the
Speaker 1: Mexican side of this uh mass uh you know, immigration
Speaker 1: encampment and found that the Biden administrations order to begin
Speaker 1: deportation flights of Haitians to Haiti has had a very
Speaker 1: a key impact on the decision making of these Haitians.
Speaker 1: No way, but yeah, it turns out American policy has
Speaker 1: an influence on how many people come this way. But
Speaker 1: go on top. It does turn that, it does turn out,
Speaker 1: and also the other way because the only reason why
Speaker 1: all of this is happening is because Biden administration policies
Speaker 1: have been allowing rewards of legalization for illegal entry in
Speaker 1: huge numbers. And so of course people who see that
Speaker 1: and hear about it say me too, and they join in,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're even here. But the anecdote and
Speaker 1: antidote to that is deportation in the terrence. And so
Speaker 1: I'm in a bus station in DoD Akunya last night
Speaker 1: and saw just dozens and dozens of Patians buying bus
Speaker 1: tickets for southbound trips out of Mexico. They're leaving, and
Speaker 1: when I asked them why, the answer in every case
Speaker 1: was they're deporting us to Haiti. We're out of here.
Speaker 1: That is wild, um, not surprising, but I mean wild
Speaker 1: that it changed that quickly when word got around. No,
Speaker 1: it's no longer a free trip into the United States,
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna live there forever. And things change
Speaker 1: that fast, um, right, And remember remember that, you know,
Speaker 1: I've never met a migrant, an immigrant who did not
Speaker 1: have a cell phone that was fully connected to social
Speaker 1: media and internet. So The Grapevine is livetime, and they
Speaker 1: were showing the video and photos of Haitians on the
Speaker 1: tarmac in port of prints, and they're looking at that
Speaker 1: and saying, we're out of here. That's why. That's how
Speaker 1: that works. And it works the other way too. Here
Speaker 1: are selfies of me getting into Indiana and Florida for
Speaker 1: illegally entering, and we're coming for that too. Here's me
Speaker 1: being deported to port the prints and we're out of here. Interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, Todd. The situation has become so severe that
Speaker 1: even for instance, the Washington Washington Post is reporting on
Speaker 1: its semi a honestly, and they were talking about how
Speaker 1: on the Mexican side, the Mexican authorities are really frustrated
Speaker 1: with the Biden administration because they're you know, laying out
Speaker 1: the welcome at has caused all sorts of chaos and
Speaker 1: ugliness within Mexico. That is true. The Mexicans, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: do not. The Mexicans were asked by the Biden administration
Speaker 1: and actually paid and gifts to slow the flow, to
Speaker 1: slow the role on their southern border. So they have
Speaker 1: been playing a kind of game of bureaucratic molasses and
Speaker 1: with these Haitians down there. Uh, and so there were
Speaker 1: thousands of them built up, and the Mexicans were, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they've had enough of it. The Haitians are
Speaker 1: a problematic group. They know we're causing disruptions. They you know,
Speaker 1: we're just stuck down there in the Capacula area. And
Speaker 1: the Mexicans on Sunday, September twelve, as I reported exclusively
Speaker 1: based on interviews with the immigrants in Mexico on September twelve,
Speaker 1: the Mexicans just said, okay, you're all free. Go get
Speaker 1: go to the bullet get go to America. And and
Speaker 1: that is why we have all of these Haitians crossing
Speaker 1: in a huge groups like this. The Mexicans released them
Speaker 1: because they were frustrated at having to hang on to them.
Speaker 1: And so now they are, of course, are going to
Speaker 1: be getting them back, or some number of them back.
Speaker 1: Uh So, But the deportations, I don't believe those are
Speaker 1: going to be widespread or sustained. And the vast majority
Speaker 1: of the immigrants in that camp are being bust quietly
Speaker 1: too secret border patrol locations where they will indeed be
Speaker 1: processed into the country. And I think the majority of
Speaker 1: them are family units, and the Biden's policy that caused
Speaker 1: this was to let these family union units stay and
Speaker 1: be rewarded for their illegal entry, and that is going
Speaker 1: to happen with most of them. That's why that camp
Speaker 1: is still about ten or eleven thousands strong and everybody's
Speaker 1: not running, but some of them are running. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll stay in touch with you this week because it
Speaker 1: sounds like the story is far from over. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: more question for me, and I asked this question to
Speaker 1: many guests who are speaking on this topic. When you
Speaker 1: talk to border patrol and you know, we've seen one
Speaker 1: point five million apprehensions or something like that this year,
Speaker 1: what percentage of folks do they catch, do they think?
Speaker 1: And what percentage get through? It's hard to say right now.
Speaker 1: You know, the encounters or the apprehensions are you know,
Speaker 1: one point five million in and very shortly will become
Speaker 1: the most in American history apprehended. But above those numbers,
Speaker 1: there are probably another fifty or a hundred or a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand that never get caught, that get
Speaker 1: led on into the interior and never will be caught,
Speaker 1: or it won't be for years and years. So all right,
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Todd Bensman, Senior National Security Fellow, Center
Speaker 1: for Immigration Studies, got a new book coming out, America's
Speaker 1: Covert Border War. Thanks for the report, Todd, good to
Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you, Thanks for having me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I tweeted a little bit about this yesterday and
Speaker 1: there was some strong disagreement among the commenters on the
Speaker 1: Twitter feed trying to read comments. But I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you dove into comments. I just wondered
Speaker 1: how people are feeling. And my position, I think, is
Speaker 1: the same as it's been for a long time. I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, how many Haitian families we should
Speaker 1: bust from the border into town and all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Keeping mind is always that none of the
Speaker 1: powerful people that allow this to happen are gonna have
Speaker 1: immigrants shown up in their neighborhood. No, no, there're no
Speaker 1: Haitian families or uh, you know, a whole bunch of poor,
Speaker 1: uneducated laborers gonna set up camp at the end of
Speaker 1: their cold sack. That ain't gonna happen, ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: in their school. Okay, So that's a little hypocrite, little
Speaker 1: hypocritical for them to be so open with open arms,
Speaker 1: huddled masses for the rest of the country, not for
Speaker 1: where I live. I live behind a gated wall and
Speaker 1: we don't allow that sort of thing. But um, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right number is. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many people should take in whatever. But you
Speaker 1: gotta have a policy. My only thing is you gotta
Speaker 1: have a policy. The idea that it's just random, that
Speaker 1: it's just completely random where people come from, how many
Speaker 1: we let in where they go, it's just random, is
Speaker 1: a stupid policy. Absolutely. It is the idea that you know,
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of Asians or anybody sneak across the border, well,
Speaker 1: walk openly across the border and say here we are,
Speaker 1: please distribute us into America. We say, well, ge shocks.
Speaker 1: I guess we don't have any choice, and then we do.
Speaker 1: It is bizarre. And many years ago we UH enunciated
Speaker 1: the principle that if something seems completely crazy to you,
Speaker 1: it's probably not crazy. You're just missing a critical piece
Speaker 1: of information. And I continue to maintain I will claim
Speaker 1: until I'm contradicted. We just want cheap labor and we
Speaker 1: want somebody to prop up the twin pyramid schemes of
Speaker 1: Social Security and UH and Medicare, Medicaid. They're running out
Speaker 1: of money. We need to import millions of young workers.
Speaker 1: That's the piece of information that explains why our immigration
Speaker 1: policies are inexplicable. I mean, they're bizarre. It certainly explains
Speaker 1: it politically, how you get it because you need both
Speaker 1: parties to be in on that, and the Wall Street
Speaker 1: Journal crowd loves that because they need cheap labor. And
Speaker 1: the Democrats think, though they're turning out to be wrong,
Speaker 1: that brown people are going he's going to vote Democrat
Speaker 1: and that's not turning the case. But maybe if that ends,
Speaker 1: maybe then Democrats will all of a sudden be the
Speaker 1: party of we need to stop a legal immigration if
Speaker 1: it tends up a social security thing. Though, man, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you true that true that anyway. Text line four
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