WEBVTT - We're Outta Here.  Todd Bensman Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show. So looking up at ABC News,

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<v Speaker 1>US begins mass deportation of Haitian immigrants. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me that the White House has decided America is not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna like this. We need to do something about this fast.

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<v Speaker 1>As we checked in on the border last week and

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<v Speaker 1>there were thousands and thousands of thousands of people coming across,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot more people came across over the weekend. Absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the flow continues. You may recall late last week we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Todd Benzman, senior National security fellow at the

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Immigration Studies, also the author of a new book,

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<v Speaker 1>America's Covert Border War. Todd, welcome back. We understand you've

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<v Speaker 1>been a further investigating the last several days. What have

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<v Speaker 1>you learned, right, Well, I just came back from the

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican side of this uh mass uh you know, immigration

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<v Speaker 1>encampment and found that the Biden administrations order to begin

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<v Speaker 1>deportation flights of Haitians to Haiti has had a very

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<v Speaker 1>a key impact on the decision making of these Haitians.

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<v Speaker 1>No way, but yeah, it turns out American policy has

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<v Speaker 1>an influence on how many people come this way. But

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<v Speaker 1>go on top. It does turn that, it does turn out,

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<v Speaker 1>and also the other way because the only reason why

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is happening is because Biden administration policies

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<v Speaker 1>have been allowing rewards of legalization for illegal entry in

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<v Speaker 1>huge numbers. And so of course people who see that

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<v Speaker 1>and hear about it say me too, and they join in,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why we're even here. But the anecdote and

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<v Speaker 1>antidote to that is deportation in the terrence. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a bus station in DoD Akunya last night

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<v Speaker 1>and saw just dozens and dozens of Patians buying bus

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<v Speaker 1>tickets for southbound trips out of Mexico. They're leaving, and

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<v Speaker 1>when I asked them why, the answer in every case

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<v Speaker 1>was they're deporting us to Haiti. We're out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>That is wild, um, not surprising, but I mean wild

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<v Speaker 1>that it changed that quickly when word got around. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's no longer a free trip into the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just gonna live there forever. And things change

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<v Speaker 1>that fast, um, right, And remember remember that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never met a migrant, an immigrant who did not

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<v Speaker 1>have a cell phone that was fully connected to social

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<v Speaker 1>media and internet. So The Grapevine is livetime, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were showing the video and photos of Haitians on the

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<v Speaker 1>tarmac in port of prints, and they're looking at that

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, we're out of here. That's why. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>that works. And it works the other way too. Here

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<v Speaker 1>are selfies of me getting into Indiana and Florida for

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<v Speaker 1>illegally entering, and we're coming for that too. Here's me

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<v Speaker 1>being deported to port the prints and we're out of here. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Todd. The situation has become so severe that

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<v Speaker 1>even for instance, the Washington Washington Post is reporting on

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<v Speaker 1>its semi a honestly, and they were talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>on the Mexican side, the Mexican authorities are really frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>with the Biden administration because they're you know, laying out

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<v Speaker 1>the welcome at has caused all sorts of chaos and

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<v Speaker 1>ugliness within Mexico. That is true. The Mexicans, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do not. The Mexicans were asked by the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 1>and actually paid and gifts to slow the flow, to

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<v Speaker 1>slow the role on their southern border. So they have

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<v Speaker 1>been playing a kind of game of bureaucratic molasses and

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<v Speaker 1>with these Haitians down there. Uh, and so there were

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of them built up, and the Mexicans were, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they've had enough of it. The Haitians are

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<v Speaker 1>a problematic group. They know we're causing disruptions. They you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just stuck down there in the Capacula area. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexicans on Sunday, September twelve, as I reported exclusively

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<v Speaker 1>based on interviews with the immigrants in Mexico on September twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexicans just said, okay, you're all free. Go get

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<v Speaker 1>go to the bullet get go to America. And and

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<v Speaker 1>that is why we have all of these Haitians crossing

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<v Speaker 1>in a huge groups like this. The Mexicans released them

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<v Speaker 1>because they were frustrated at having to hang on to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now they are, of course, are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be getting them back, or some number of them back.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, But the deportations, I don't believe those are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be widespread or sustained. And the vast majority

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<v Speaker 1>of the immigrants in that camp are being bust quietly

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<v Speaker 1>too secret border patrol locations where they will indeed be

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<v Speaker 1>processed into the country. And I think the majority of

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<v Speaker 1>them are family units, and the Biden's policy that caused

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<v Speaker 1>this was to let these family union units stay and

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<v Speaker 1>be rewarded for their illegal entry, and that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen with most of them. That's why that camp

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<v Speaker 1>is still about ten or eleven thousands strong and everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>not running, but some of them are running. Wow. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll stay in touch with you this week because it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like the story is far from over. Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 1>more question for me, and I asked this question to

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<v Speaker 1>many guests who are speaking on this topic. When you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to border patrol and you know, we've seen one

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<v Speaker 1>point five million apprehensions or something like that this year,

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<v Speaker 1>what percentage of folks do they catch, do they think?

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<v Speaker 1>And what percentage get through? It's hard to say right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the encounters or the apprehensions are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one point five million in and very shortly will become

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<v Speaker 1>the most in American history apprehended. But above those numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>there are probably another fifty or a hundred or a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand that never get caught, that get

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<v Speaker 1>led on into the interior and never will be caught,

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<v Speaker 1>or it won't be for years and years. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate it. Todd Bensman, Senior National Security Fellow, Center

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<v Speaker 1>for Immigration Studies, got a new book coming out, America's

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<v Speaker 1>Covert Border War. Thanks for the report, Todd, good to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Thank you, Thanks for having me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I tweeted a little bit about this yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>there was some strong disagreement among the commenters on the

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter feed trying to read comments. But I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you dove into comments. I just wondered

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<v Speaker 1>how people are feeling. And my position, I think, is

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<v Speaker 1>the same as it's been for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, how many Haitian families we should

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<v Speaker 1>bust from the border into town and all that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Keeping mind is always that none of the

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<v Speaker 1>powerful people that allow this to happen are gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants shown up in their neighborhood. No, no, there're no

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<v Speaker 1>Haitian families or uh, you know, a whole bunch of poor,

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<v Speaker 1>uneducated laborers gonna set up camp at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>their cold sack. That ain't gonna happen, ain't gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>in their school. Okay, So that's a little hypocrite, little

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<v Speaker 1>hypocritical for them to be so open with open arms,

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<v Speaker 1>huddled masses for the rest of the country, not for

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<v Speaker 1>where I live. I live behind a gated wall and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't allow that sort of thing. But um, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the right number is. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many people should take in whatever. But you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta have a policy. My only thing is you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>have a policy. The idea that it's just random, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's just completely random where people come from, how many

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<v Speaker 1>we let in where they go, it's just random, is

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<v Speaker 1>a stupid policy. Absolutely. It is the idea that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of Asians or anybody sneak across the border, well,

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<v Speaker 1>walk openly across the border and say here we are,

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<v Speaker 1>please distribute us into America. We say, well, ge shocks.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we don't have any choice, and then we do.

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<v Speaker 1>It is bizarre. And many years ago we UH enunciated

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<v Speaker 1>the principle that if something seems completely crazy to you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably not crazy. You're just missing a critical piece

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<v Speaker 1>of information. And I continue to maintain I will claim

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<v Speaker 1>until I'm contradicted. We just want cheap labor and we

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<v Speaker 1>want somebody to prop up the twin pyramid schemes of

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<v Speaker 1>Social Security and UH and Medicare, Medicaid. They're running out

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<v Speaker 1>of money. We need to import millions of young workers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the piece of information that explains why our immigration

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<v Speaker 1>policies are inexplicable. I mean, they're bizarre. It certainly explains

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<v Speaker 1>it politically, how you get it because you need both

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<v Speaker 1>parties to be in on that, and the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 1>Journal crowd loves that because they need cheap labor. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats think, though they're turning out to be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>that brown people are going he's going to vote Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not turning the case. But maybe if that ends,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe then Democrats will all of a sudden be the

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<v Speaker 1>party of we need to stop a legal immigration if

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<v Speaker 1>it tends up a social security thing. Though, man, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you true that true that anyway. Text line four

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<v Speaker 1>one five two nine five k Ftcarstrong and Getty