WEBVTT - Daydream Believer w/ Dallas Roberts 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:28.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done, Hello, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.200 and welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. I 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.880 am one of your hosts, Kara Klink, and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.440 We talk SVU crimes. We have celeb guests. That's really 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.800 a whirlwind and it's been time. I mean, I also 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:47.680 got drunk last night, Cara. Oh my gosh, Liza. I 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.080 had to recover. I had to regard. I mean I 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.360 just I had like a half hour nap and then 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.920 I went right back out. Hair of the Dog Baby. Yeah. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.680 So what we're basically referring to is we were promoting 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.480 it a lot on our Instagram, but we got to 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.840 judge a very fun lip sync contest called Learn the 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.040 Words Bitch at Acbar here in Silver Lake in LA. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.360 And it's a monthly show hosted by Silverlake Icon Tony Sodo, 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.720 a funny as hell drag queen, and they invited us 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.679 to host, and we were so excited judge to judge. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.520 I'm sorry not host judge, judge. So this is like 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.480 the kind of lip sync contest where anyone can go 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.720 up like and you can. Some people came in drag, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.840 some people were just in plain clothes and you just 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.440 can like feel your fantasy and lip sync to any 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.640 song that you want. And I had the best time, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.280 but I did drink too much. And yesterday I was 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.040 a struggle. It was a struggle, but you puked. I 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.959 didn't puke, shockingly, just a little bit in the morning. 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.800 I literally said goodbye to my kids and Jared was 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.600 putting them in the car and I was like, oh god, 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:51.880 and I just went to the bathroom and just did 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.880 a tiny little puke, a puke lit. Yeah, I like 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.120 coughed a lot, pretending I was gonna pee. Yeah, and 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.880 then I didn't appel. Yeah, yeah, I know that story. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:01.600 Oh wait. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:07.080 I went to Gelkos yesterday after we stopped working. And Gelkos, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.520 for those who don't know, Okay, sorry, I have like 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:11.280 an active crush. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.200 So the text came in. I had to It's just 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:19.519 a fucking friend, just a dumb ass friend. So Gelkos 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.639 is a vintage like soda pop shop and there's beers 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.600 and it's just like liquids from around the world and 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.079 they have a sandwiches in the back and they play 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:30.960 like old timy music and it's so cute and I 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.120 don't know why there hasn't been like a date filmed 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.840 in there. Yeah, a movie and it has like old 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.919 candy and stuff like. It's great. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.440 I got jujifruits in honor of Seinfeld because I've never 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.880 actually had them, and they're better than juju be's. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.600 Oh I was good to say. I don't really like 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.800 juju bees, but maybe jujifruits are better. They're softer. Ah, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.400 got it. But then you do have the licorice flavor, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.680 so that's upsetting. But what are you gonna do? Well? 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.919 We had a listener by the just a quick shout 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.840 out to a listener. I forget her name, but she 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.920 was so sweet. She works at Trader Joe's in Chicago, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.040 and she brought us big bags snacks to our shows 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.600 and we love you. That was so amazing. And now 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.320 I'm hooked on those strawberry licorice twists from fucking Trader Joe's. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:15.960 I'm now I'm buying a bag every week. I just 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.160 bought a bag today. It's like a perfect little poppable 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:20.840 treat when you just want like a little bit of 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.560 sweet sugar. Did it take over for you? In terms 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.640 of the Scandinavian swimmers or the snacks? Still at that 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.800 other time, the swimmers are still in the house. Rosie 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.400 gets two swimmers in her lunch every day. But I 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.440 would say I'm reaching for the twists more than the 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.240 swimmers these days. But I'll be do you, So she 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.560 gets two swimmers a day. Yeah, it's her little treat 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.640 in her lunch because her lunch is like a little 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.920 sectional Bento box, you know, and in the center there's 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.640 just like a circle. I think you're supposed to put 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.680 a dip in there, but my child doesn't do dips, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.680 so I just give her two little gummies as a treat. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.440 She eats the first thing she eats. I love the 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.080 bento box era. Yeah, and she eats so much more 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.880 then you mean, Yeah, she eats so much more than 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.600 like when she's not eating with a Bento box. She 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.360 likes eating with that. Yeah, I don't know. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.480 What I also wanted to say about Gilko's is that 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:10.920 Billie Eilish loves to go there. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.160 Oh yeah, because she's a Highland park girl. Yeah, it's 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.480 her favorite fucking spot, so that's exciting. Speaking of celebrities, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.520 I did humiliate myself. No, it was not that bad. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.160 So at learn the words, bitch. I ran into a 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.760 delightful drag queen named Jackie Cox, who was on the 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.960 season that I wrote on. So we were just like 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.320 catching up and talking and then Lisa walks by and 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.480 I go, Lisa, this is Jackie Cox, and Lisa's face 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.760 it was like a little kid seeing Santa Claus, Like 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.039 it was so cute. You were just like eyes wide, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.720 mouth agape like hi, and it was like I'm sure, yeah, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.280 but they love that response. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.359 But then the thing that came out was like, do 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.839 you know this person? Which is like a random person. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.760 It has nothing to do with him. It's just because 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.640 while we were watching the season, one of our friends 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.640 thought that Jackie reminded I did her of our friend, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.040 and that's why I even said it. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.640 It's not like they know each other or he's like 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.760 crazy to think that they would know each other. She's 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.720 a New York queen, he's a New York comic. I 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.760 don't think that it does a direction, but it doesn't matter. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.640 There's like tons of people that he might know, like 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.479 we could have been like, do you know, Bob, you 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.200 know what I mean? Like it was, it was, it 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.680 was just I don't know why I couldn't handle myself. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.719 Sometimes I fall apart. I don't know, and then sometimes 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.279 I act too cool. Yeah, sometimes I act too cool 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.680 pretend I don't know, and I don't know. It's just 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.320 like hard at times. Sometimes your body sometimes you just 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.479 don't You're never prepped for when you're going to act 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.359 like a maniac. You're never prepped. You're just never ready. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.240 No, Sometimes you're in a room with a bunch of 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.640 people and it's like, what, Oh I did meet one 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.520 of my favorite porn stars turned DJs. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.720 That was exciting. Oh, excuse me, that's exciting about out Carter? 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.520 She ran up to me. What she ran up and 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.960 hugged me. It was thrilling. How does she know you 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.360 from your comedy from the internet? Wow? 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.479 Well, you know in my Netflix Stuff Hour, I do 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.160 a joke about paying for porn. Yeah, obviously the porn 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.960 stars loved it, so I kind of I've been passed 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.200 around the porn community in terms of that clip. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.279 Not in a typical way of being passed around the 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.600 porn community. No, you would have heard about that. I 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.800 was out there like fucking all these porn stars. Oh, 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.599 definitely now, but it is wild they are out and 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.160 about in La. Yeah. I mean I was with you 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.839 when we saw one of your faves and who DMS 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:32.599 who we DM? 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:32.920 Now? 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.440 I love that. Yeah, they've been at like a show. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.799 I've whatever. Listen you guys. I'm successful and porn stars 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.360 loves me. I'm living a fantasy. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.760 And what I love too is Karen and I were 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.000 so hungover we separately each got McDonald yesterday, not the 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.880 other one did, and that makes me happy to. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.960 Yeah, there's not a lot of great delivery option. While 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.720 Bells was closed, my favorite bagel place was closed. I 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.840 really wanted a bell sandwich. But you would get Bells 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.960 for hangover. Yeah, like I was. Bells is closed on Tuesday. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.520 Oh my god. So last night we went to the 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.400 Hermiceo a bunch of us and getting drunk. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.480 It was closing. Fuck, where are we gonna go? Fucking 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.040 Goldfish closed, Juniors is closed. We went to fig Everything 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.040 Clos're getting. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.560 Out of a car. You always call it junior. Johnny 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:23.800 is john is Johnny. They were all closed, all closed, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.360 So we drive to fig And in two separate cars, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.480 and then while we're going out, there's like a bunch 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.280 of people standing outside Greyhound going it's all closed, and 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.800 we keep walking. They're like, you will be coming back 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.600 to your car, like they were just roasting the shit 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.280 out of us, And it was. It was all closed, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.560 the Bowling closed, gold Line like everything. The time was 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.320 it maybe one in the morning. Oh yeah, you can't go. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.400 You can't do late on a Tuesday in La. I 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.160 feel like, but were you the one that told me 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.080 that West Hollywood bars are going to be open til four? Now? 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.720 I saw a thing on Instagram that said that West 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.440 Hollywood has like voted and decided that you could be 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.000 opened til four. So that'll But it's not like, but 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:02.920 once you're already back in your neighborhood, you're not going 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:03.560 to go to. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.600 Of course, of course, I'm just saying, if you knew 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.679 you wanted to have like a late night, you could 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.920 go out in that neighborhood. But yeah, I started my 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.280 night at Silver Lake Lounge. Oh yeah, and that was fun. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.920 I watched our friend Josh, who sent me Taco Bell 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:21.520 gift cards, play music. Talented, very talented. It was very excit, exciting, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.280 but yeah, everything was closed and then we got roasted 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.600 by a group of people. But they love the Greyhounds, 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.360 so there, maybe I'll try that. Yeah, nine o'clock, I mean, what. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:30.920 The fuck. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.480 Greyhounds? Fine? What about Goldline? Have you been there? It 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.360 was all closed? No, I know, but I'm just saying 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.240 in general, I haven't been there. I know people love it. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.240 It's always two packed for me, I always and with 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.000 people who want to go there, and I'm always like, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:44.360 m that's. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.040 Fine for me, too busy. It's too busy for me. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.319 But yeah, I just couldn't believe it, just like begging 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.000 to have one more drink all over town. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.559 Everything closed. Yeah. Also shout out Arsley for the edible 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.320 you gave us. Oh yes, we did have an amazing 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.440 listener named Arsley at the show. We had a couple 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.439 other listeners that were there. Thank you guys for all 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.200 coming out. That was so sweet. And the birthday cake 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.000 edible candy bar. I don't even know where I put it, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.440 but I loved it. I have mine in the house. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.280 I got to keep it away from my kids because 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.560 if Rosie sees that packaging, she will She's not going 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:16.839 to be able to open it. She will not be 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.559 able to get through it, but she'll ask me for it. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.000 Oh a couple O. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.240 Should we be talking about Uber Postmates prices or is 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:24.920 through the roof? 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.959 Oh? Really do you order food anymore? I don't order 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.199 food that much through It's insane. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:37.679 Mates, Like I got, like, I've not had an order 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.880 under thirty dollars even though the food total is like 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:40.560 twelve dollars. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.520 Oh really, Like my McDonald's yesterday was twenty and I 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.120 got the hash browns and a egg and cheese and 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.280 a coke. Yeah, it's a lot. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:50.000 Yeah. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.520 The economy, I'm noticing it because when I'm on the 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.320 road all the time, I don't look at prices because 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:56.520 it's like I don't really have a choice. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.440 I'm out here, Like what am I going to do? Nitpick? 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:59.840 In London? I'm getting the sandwich. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.959 There's just no thinking when I'm on the road or 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.800 I'm at a hotel or like whatever. And then now 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.560 that I've been home for a few weeks, it's like, oh, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:08.840 I feel the economy. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.320 Yeah, yeah, you can't kind of tell although gas prices 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.160 are going down. Yeah, it's just like I usually don't 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.160 pay attention and now I'm like, wait, what the fuck 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.640 is happening? Yeah, I know everyone's been because people talk 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.199 about the O eight crash and I'm like, could have 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.040 beat me? I don't. I don't know about it, Like 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.080 i've oh eight the crash. It's like I lost my job, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.520 but I was also broke before, and I was broke after, 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.920 you know, like it was not right. Yeah, I was twenty, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.800 Like I don't care about mortgages and right, right, right 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.880 wasn't affecting me as a New York City stand up comedian. Yeah, 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.160 and now I do feel like, oh my god, for 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.600 hating LA, I feel very grateful to have the apartment 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:48.560 that I have. Yeah, yeah, because shit's fucked. Yeah, it's 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.320 the fun intro. This is the funny to come for 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.199 the economy is crap. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.319 Well I've only noticed mostly for post me. It's like 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.040 keep having to to be like I guess I'll walk 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.000 like I should be to get things. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.360 But yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me just say a little 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.319 bit of business that we are going to be in 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.960 three days on the twenty ninth at the Montreal Comedy Festival. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.400 If you know anyone in Montreal, if you're in Montreal, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.360 please come see us. It's gonna be great. It's going 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.520 to be you know, a totally original show that no 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:23.400 one's ever seen before. And then also Lisa will be 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.080 at mic Drop Comedy in San Diego in August. Get 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:31.959 tickets for that. And also Lisa's birthday is August thirty. First, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.280 please plan your Instagram ahead of time, get going, start 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.320 brainstorming some ideas. Picking your gifts. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.720 Now, I always act like I'm going to be low key, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.680 and then I've already made dinner reservations two months out, 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:44.959 like I mean. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.120 Lunch lunch reservation. No, it's exciting. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:53.720 I couldn't afford dinner there, dinners before booze. 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.760 That's nuts. That's like Jared and I went to Tokyo 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.680 and we went We stayed at a really nice hotel 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.120 for just two nights of it, and we were like, okay, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.320 we want to go to like a really upscale sushi 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.120 dinner and they were like, okay, that runs about six 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.600 hundred dollars a person. We were like, okay, medium scale. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.400 Then they sent us to it like another place. It 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.000 was just a notch down but was still really good. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.559 People fucking love Japan. Oh yeah, Tokyo. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.960 Can you believe that that their leader got assassinated, and 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.920 it's like a blip in our news, Like what I. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.480 Mean, he's he's the ex leader, so that's probably why 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.400 it's not quite so, but it is. Oh he was 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.520 the ex Yeah he stepped down in twenty twenty. Okay, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.280 but but but still I remember this guy in the 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.920 news constantly because him and Trump were like buddy, buddy, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.000 you know, so I remember that all the time. And 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.080 it's just wild that Japan has about six gun related 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.240 murders a year, whereas we have three hundred thousand or 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.760 something like or thirty thousand, some kind of crazy number. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.320 And this was like a handmade gun. Like it's just 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:53.679 it's a wild story. I don't know. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.720 I know, I do really dislike when the people immediately 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.599 are like, oh, so gun lost, don't you have it? 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.720 Like I don't know. Yes, it's like drillful. Its murders 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.400 in a year, like that's like in a day in 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:10.320 one state here. But oh, another more uplifting thing I 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.960 was going to bring up is suddenly our podcasts Instagram 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.120 page has become a clear the list site for teachers, 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.160 and I'm happy. I'm happy to do it. So if 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.640 you are interested in giving helping some teachers fulfill their 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.840 Amazon wish lists. A lot of teachers do not get 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.840 are not given a budget to get enough supplies that 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.439 they need. The school year is creeping up on us, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.560 and these teachers need supplies to give their kids the 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.720 best experience they can. So go to our Instagram and 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.560 we have a highlight that's called teachers and just pick 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.559 a like, don't go to the first one and donate 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.040 because I'm sure a lot of people have given to 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.760 that one already. Click through. Maybe maybe once a week 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.960 you give a little ten dollars thing to someone until 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:51.800 the school year starts. I don't know, just to thought, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.360 let's help some of our listeners money. I thought you 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:55.840 were going to be like, okay, we have a lot 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.640 of them and can the teachers please leave us. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:58.000 A love now? 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.680 No, no, no, I just like it. If you go 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.480 to the highlight, I'm sure everyone's gonna click on the 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:03.960 first one and then it's like the person who I 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.920 last posted is gonna be like cool, I got nothing. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.880 But yeah, just that was another thing I wanted to 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.120 shout out, but are we what do you think? So? 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.439 And we got we should definitely start, but we did 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.520 get a lot of feedback from people on the internet 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:21.080 saying they do like dick Wolf babies. Yeah. Yeah, Unfortunately, 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.520 we can't really make any merch that says dick Wolf 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.440 babies on it unless we come up with a very 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.960 creative way to do it. Well, I DMed him, so 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.000 we'll see. Oh, yes, we did DM dick Wolf when 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.840 we were a little bit drunk and ask him if 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.240 he would mind if we used his name for some 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.640 of our merch. So I do love partying. Yeah, that's 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.280 a good ending to our intro. It's fun. Like yesterday, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.040 I was so hungover all day and was like, yeah, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.840 but it was so fun, Like I wish I didn't 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.120 have so much fun because I'm paying for it today. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.840 But it was the best. I had a great night. Yeah, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.360 and then I did it again and then oop oops, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:15:01.880 all right, let's get started. All right. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:07.480 We're in It's Daydream Believer season sixteen, and wildly we 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.920 do start off with a previously seen little chunk, but 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.280 it is so long the previously seen it's like, well. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.000 It has to be, don't you think, because it's like 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.560 it's from Chicago p D which, like, I don't know 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.040 what the percentage I don't know what the percent Yeah, yeah, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.040 I don't know what the percentage of people. Yeah. Like 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.800 this character of William Yates is introduced on Chicago PD 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.840 and then crosses over to SVU because you know, criminals 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.160 are moving from Illinois to New York constantly, and as 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.960 the Dick Wolf universe would have you believe. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.480 Yeah, and they all know each other. So it's a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.720 two parter crossover event. And it starts with a gray 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.720 this so this is previously seen, starts with a gray haired, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.400 deep voiced man from Chicago p D. And he's zooming 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:55.760 before zoom was in and he's talking to Olivia and 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.160 so they had a case and it's very similar to 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.040 a case that she had ten years ago, so you know. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.280 And on his desk I do see a Chicago flag 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.880 I noticed, And then I think he has one of 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.680 the old white max Do you remember the laptops that 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:10.120 were white? 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:11.680 Yes, my sister had one. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.520 Yeah, those are cool, not as cool as the colorful ones, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:15.120 but I. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.280 Liked that era. I could see those coming back also 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.240 because like mid century modern is very like white lacquer, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.720 shiny white, you know what I mean. Like these fuckers 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.960 don't they don't give us what we want and not 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.520 learned that yet. How long have we been begging for 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.000 the colorful laptop? Oh? Remember when you also told me 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.520 that you thought they were bringing us bees back. They're not. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.360 When I went to the when I went to Macio, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.640 I heard you're bringing usbes back and they were like, nope, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.520 we're not, So fuck them. Fuck them. I just like, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.240 give me a home button, give me let me just 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.080 wear my headphones and charge my phone. It's just fucked up. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.240 It even makes sense what they do. I know. Wait, 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.400 so this guy's name is Voight. I don't even really 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.240 know what his first name is, but Foight is this 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.560 Hank Voight? And he's like very eh, And I feel 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.120 like people did him and Olivia to get together in 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.439 a crossover situation. We don't need another stabler. I'm sorry. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.360 This is a long distance Olivia doesn't need a long 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.159 distance romance. I know. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.639 I mean, but did you see the finale. I finally 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.600 watched the finale of this latest season, and it's you know, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.800 they are, She's trying to find happiness. We'll see, yeah, 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:23.000 we'll see what happens. So this case obviously involves rape 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.600 and torture. But then on a twist. There's some torching 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.280 as well, and then Benson. 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.600 They wanted to leave the door open in case they 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.040 wanted to involve Chicago fire as well. I think, yeah, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.000 that's exactly it. So Benson went. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.719 To Chicago to investigate the case, and there was a 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:43.359 man who's always dressed in scrubs, and we see we 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.080 see Danny Pino interrogating this man in scrubs and it's 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.119 Yates aka Dallas Roberts, aka our new friend that we 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.040 met in New York City. So the squad is looking 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.320 at Yates and he's walking out. He looks up and 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.000 down at Detective Nadia and then he ends up knocking 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.160 her out in front of her car and kidnaps her 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.320 and she's missing. And then this episode Daydream Believer begins. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.919 Yeah, and I don't think Donnie is a detective. I 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.399 think she's like a usinar. Yeah, she's like, oh you 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.760 said that out later. Yeah, she works at Chicago p D. Yeah. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.720 So basically, Sophia Bush took a liking to this criminal 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.840 and has moved her into her home and has coached 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.080 her out of her bad life choices, and she wants 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.479 to be a police officer. Big I just don't think 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.600 there's that many criminals that are like, actually, now I 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:33.359 want to be a cop. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.640 There's no fucking way, there's no I just I kicked 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.879 the heroin habit and now I want to work on 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.040 the force. Yeah, I doubt it. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.600 There's no fucking way after you get arrested, and I 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.560 just don't see how you're like, oh, I want to 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.040 be the aggressor now. So now the real episode begins 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.000 and we open on a Chicago police logo and deep voice. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.960 Hank and Sophia Bush are walking and talking. I didn't 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.720 learn her character name, and I will be calling her 0:18:58.760 --> 0:18:59.960 Sophia Bush for the rest of us. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.120 Yeah, I can't think. Oh, I think her last name 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.320 is Lindsay, but I don't even remember what her first 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:10.760 name is. Yeah, don't care, So no offense Sophia Bush. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.200 But she also has a very deep voice. What's going 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.199 on in Chicago? Or not deep but like raspy, you know, 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.199 like both of these two leads are like they have 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.280 nodes on nodes. I don't know what drinking I don't know. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.040 Our friend Sean Patten once said people in Chicago drink 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.840 like it's the best or worst day of their life. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:34.760 But every day, so maybe that's that's been funny the 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:35.720 Mellor babes. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.040 So they're walking and talking, so I love that they 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.040 do walk and talks in the Midwest as well. He 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.240 says that son of a bitch was toying with us, 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.639 and she's like, yeah, he knew we were tracking his phone. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.119 He left it in the basement next to a lighter 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.520 and nail polish. And we meet another detective with ideas 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.480 and I refuse to learn who he is as well. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.760 And we have this guy's I pass and it's like 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.240 a zoom thing for the holes if it's called something 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.720 else where you live, and they have his credit cards, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.840 there's alerts on everything. They're tracking him, but he is good, 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.600 you know, like they saw him only an hour ago 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:10.879 and now he's fully lost. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.119 So all hands on deck. They're going to try to 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:13.919 solve this crime. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.399 Now we realize they don't know that Nadya has been taken, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.280 so only we know, and I kind of like that. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.720 I love when the audience knows more than the characters. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.200 So gray hair Hank is trying to assign her work 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.000 and then he's like, wait, where is she? And there's 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.520 a posted note on her laptop and it says running 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.480 an errand took Sophia Bush's car. Peace out, and they're pissed. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.320 They're like, she's running an errand, we need help. And 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.360 then finally the undescript detective's like, she went to pick 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.360 up her birthday cake. It was going to be a surprise, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.560 So that's cute. But then Sophia calls her straight to voicemail. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.760 So then gray Hair punches the file cabinet, very stabler vibes, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.119 and we cut to Yates super villain, driving a car 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.600 with a struggling Nady in the backseat, wrapped in a 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.960 tarp garbage bag situation, and he's singing dream Believer. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.600 So that's obviously where we get the name of the episode, 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:05.960 and that is like a Monk. That's a very popular 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.080 monkey song from back in the day, but this is 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:12.080 a cover they're using. This is not the original song. Yeah. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.119 So he's now shopping at a very luxurious truck stop 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.760 gas station or they stopped in the town, but this 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.680 place had lots of shit, and he's helping a woman 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.960 holding a baby carry shit, and that's you know, we 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.040 learn this time and time again, the most charming helpful 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.560 people are the worst killers and rapists of our time. 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.400 Do not trust anyone that's nice to you. Yeah, don't 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.760 trust men, whether their assholes are nice, they will throw 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.000 you in the back of their car. Now they start 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.920 talking nail polish names after he picks up a nail polish. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.800 What we can assume is for burning reasons, Like I 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:45.119 doubt he's getting manicures. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.959 He paints all his victims nails with green nail polish. Yets. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.520 I looked up his full like Chicago background too, and 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.760 it was like test saying that that's part of it. 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.320 I don't know. He hates his mom obviously, so maybe 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.480 it does something she wore green nail polish. I don't know, Wait, 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.479 did it say something about his mom? Yeah, he was 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.480 like sadistic as a child, and so his parents when 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.760 they got pregnant with their second child, they like shipped 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.720 him off to another family because they were scared for 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.000 their new, new incoming child. And so he was raised 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.280 by like a completely different family, and he feels abandoned 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:19.000 by his mother, and it's obviously translated to his hatred 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.640 towards women. Yeah, but they made the right choice. Yeah, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.760 he would have strangled his sibling, like yeah, like he 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.040 was already killing animals or something like that and doing 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:29.000 bad shit as a kid. 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:33.200 Yeah, So when the mom walks away from that nice interaction, 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:38.560 his face like drops, true manipulative nature shows. He walks 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:40.280 back to the car, and as he's walking back, this 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.040 like truck driver, like this friendly truck driver and a 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.560 puffy vest walks up and it's like, hey, there's something 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.439 moving in your car, and Yates tells the truth, like 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:50.520 he's like, yeah, I kidnapped a girl and I threw 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:51.040 her in the back. 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:52.440 Don't you hate when you kidnap a girl? 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.960 And she won't stop thrashing, And the truck driver looks concerned, 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:57.960 and then he goes, I'm kidding, it's my dog, And 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.439 then they laugh and separate, and that's the like why 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:01.880 would you cover a dog with a tarp? 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:03.280 Though, like, truck. 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.159 Driver, your instincts were correct, but I also thought he 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.119 was going to murder this truck driver, So I don't know. 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.960 I'm glad he stayed alive. And so now he eats 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.000 is a little more stressed out. He enters the car. 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.480 He's not happy at the close call. He picks up 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:18.200 the tarp she has tape on her mouth, and he's like, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.040 I told you to stop moving. So he does take 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.680 the tape off her mouth and asks for a verbal yes, 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.720 and like she's in an exit row on a plane, and. 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.000 So she says yes. 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.400 So she says they're gonna find you let me go, 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.280 and he doesn't want to, and he touches her mouth 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.080 with his fingers and says, no way, this is our honeymoon. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.679 And then the most chilling line, this is paradise compared 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:41.960 to what's coming, Nadia. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:42.840 Not good. 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.080 Then he tells her they're going to New York to 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:47.720 achieve their dreams. 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:49.960 Okay, So she. 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.840 Starts pleading with him, and he says, you missed your shot. 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.120 A trucker heard you, but I guess you weren't loud enough. 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.159 So she starts screaming, but he pulls you know, he 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.640 puts up the music. We can't hear her. She's too late. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.560 They drive off. We cut back to the Chicago offices. 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.919 Two cops approached leather Daddy Gray and to let him 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.800 know that Yates car was found. One of the cops 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.920 is a Dick Wolf Staple like legit so many episodes 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.000 of Chicago Beat one hundred and eighty six episodes twenty 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.680 three in Chicago Fire and seven at Med and two 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.800 SVUS in a Criminal Intent, So her other SVU was 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.360 delinquent and it's the one with Rita Wilson. So then 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.720 the man cop has also been in svu's two and 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.480 You're gonna love this. He was in season eleven, episode 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.040 eleven eleven eleven make a Wish, Love you guys, But 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.040 the episode he's in his called Quickie. Do you remember this? 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.760 He's a woman in his gumbag and he spreads HIV 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.359 to people, but he's not sorry about it. So one 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.119 of his victims pours acid all over his face. But 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.960 then his grandfather confesses secrets to him and kills himself 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:49.840 out of guilt and begs for the son to be 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.080 a better man. But once you have burned, I remember 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.880 that you're nicer. So yeah, So these two guys are 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:57.840 you know, in the Dick Wolf universe. Deep so pretty 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.840 thrilling news. And then outside of the outside of Yates's 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.959 car that they found, they also found Dune done a 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:09.679 smash birthday cake, so he took Nadia. They finally realize it. 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.679 Sophia Bush is a regular old Bell Benson and starts 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.439 blaming herself and is like, oh god, my cake is 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:16.680 what caused all of this? 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.120 And it's like, get over yourself. 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.280 And then a call comes into like HIV boy and 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.359 he answers and he said there was a hit on 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.560 Lindsay's car, so they rushed to get to the car. 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.399 They surround the car with lots of lights, screaming for 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:30.680 them to get out of the car, and it's a 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.320 dorkman with glasses who comes out and he's like, wait, 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:34.000 what's going on? 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:36.080 And Yates switched the plates. 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.840 So there's a woman and two kids in the car 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.040 and they've been driving from Pennsylvania and the last time 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.840 they stopped was Indiana and that's where Yates probably switched 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.920 the plates. And then Hank is like, oh my god. 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.440 And then finally it's the credits. Okay, I cannot believe. 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:55.240 We are just at the credits. I know, No, I'm tired. No, No, 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.919 it's just like a jam packed episode. It is jam packed. 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.760 So open back at the NYC offices and Benson's talking 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.520 to Chicago's Stabler and she's saying that Finn and Tomorrow 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:07.879 filled her in and. 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:09.840 They're really killing me. That you're never gonna call this 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:14.399 man the same thing twice, Like he has ten nicknames already, 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.600 and we just got out of the credits. Chicago's Stabler 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:23.840 is so funny. I mean, he's one hundred percent that vibe. 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.760 Yeah, they're thinking that he's coming back to New York. 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.400 That's his favorite place to be, and they're putting out 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.280 photos everywhere and both their car. 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.240 You know, they're like trying to find this person. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.399 So the Chicago squad is gonna fly out to New 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.360 York to help our tax dollars at work. And then 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.560 he reveals that Nadia is a good kid and we 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.240 know what he's doing to her, so we gotta we 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.240 gotta help, We gotta be quick. And then Benson says, 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.000 don't go there, but how can you not? Okay, So 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.119 now we're back on Yates. His car has Jersey plates 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.560 now and Nadia has moved to the trunk. He's talking 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.040 to her chill like she is in kidnapped, but she 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:03.679 asks to be let go, and he goes on a 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.280 really scary monologue and he says, all the girls say that, 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.920 and then soon you'll be begging for your life and 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.119 then you'll be asking to call your mom. And she 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.760 says nah, bitch, that won't be me and he says, yes, 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.240 it will. And she says, if you kill me, Hank, 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.480 Void's gonna track you down and wish that you were 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:23.280 never born. And then she spits on him and she's wrong. 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.080 Everything turns out terrible for her and the squad. To 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:30.920 be honest, the Yates was on it. He slaps for 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.600 his punishment, don't love that and closes the trunk. And 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.880 now we're back at the sixteenth Precinct. Benson's wearing glasses, 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.320 half hop half down hair do with a little baby hairclip, 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.399 and it's all hands on deck. Everyone is working very hard, 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:47.399 and Rollins is there in a flannel. They had important 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.120 I've never seen her in a flannel. 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.200 No, no, no, Yeah, that definitely has like we woke 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:54.800 her up in the middle of the night vibes, because 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.360 she's normally pretty buttoned up in like blouses and yeah, 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.960 you know, out of white silk for some reason, always 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.240 in a white, white silk top. She's like, you know, 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.320 what'd be great for jogging through the city after criminals. 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:10.439 White silk, Yeah, and a camel like trench coat. Peico. 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.560 That's like, that's thess. So I caught the flannel. 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.159 They had a hit on the stolen car or card 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.040 not you know whatever. He's stealing cars, he's stealing cards. 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.479 This is a lot of stuff to be tracking. So 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.879 they did in Jersey. He bought an ice pick and 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.720 a shovel. Not good, but at least Jersey. You know, 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.720 we're close. We're close. He has to use a tunnel 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.360 or a bridge to get into the city, so we'll 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.440 get him. Caresy's skeptical though, and it's like, what, We're 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.360 gonna stop everyone with a camera and Benson's like, no, 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.560 just every white male with a camera, dummy. 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:44.200 So then Rollin. 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.920 Says they got a hit on Lindsay aka Sophia Bush's 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.520 car and it's south of Broadway Bridge. So they go 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.320 to this abandoned shipyard. The music is pumping. Chicago and 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.840 New York are on the scene full winter where there's 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.720 snow on the ground. They start going through it, Sofia 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:02.080 looks worried into the distance. There is nobody, just ropes 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:05.480 and tarps and shit, and then there's evidence of blood 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.520 on a scarf that Lindsey had given her, and Hank's like, 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:09.640 she left that for us. 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.120 She's smart. It reminds me of the little girl who 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.560 left her headphones shoved into the back of the car 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.800 when the guy kidnapped her. Do you remember that episode? 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.880 Very smart? If you're kidnapped, you gotta leave something shoved 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.240 underneath the seat to prove you were there. Yeah. 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.200 Absolutely, there's some forensic files about that, and yeah, you 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:26.800 gotta try. 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.520 Oh god, all right. 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.160 So there's hope that she's alive though, so they're getting 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.480 They shouldn't, but there's hope. So they're getting back up 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.320 and the canine units come into work. Everyone's coming to work, 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.800 and Benson assures Sophia we're gonna get him. She starts 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:43.840 to cry a little and hugs Hank. We have a 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:45.840 brunette with a bold lip getting out of a cab 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.320 with a purple suitcase and a bag from duty Free. 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.840 So she's having fun and she's talking on the cellphone. 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.560 But she's a flight attendant, right, yeah. Yeah. 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.480 It's like, if you're gonna get booze and you're a 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.000 therap one might as well just pick something up at Yeah, 0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:04.000 get one of those clear bags. So the camera pulls 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:05.840 up and we see Yates on the street and he 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.560 starts to watch her and he SIPs coffee. He smiles 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.840 and crosses the street and he says, do you need 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.760 help with that? And she's like, thank you and lets 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.920 him go inside her building. You never want to blame 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.840 a victim, but to let this man carry your luggage 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.680 inside of your home, I can't. 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.800 It's also a carry on, and you're a flight attendant. 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.200 You know how to carry your own shit, like the 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:32.880 Alisa was recently traveling with a sixty pound huge away bag. 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.440 Maybe you need a little help with that, maybe, but 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.120 I'm talking the little baby carry on now. 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.600 I just love when you do have a heavy suitcase 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.120 like I do. Often it is every Uber driver has 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.600 something to say, so he's like, oh it's. 0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.520 Heavy, yeah, oh youh god. 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:54.240 Here they're always and I'm like, yeah, this is a nightmare. 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.400 You think I like this. I want that big away though, 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.240 Like whenever I pack that big away it's always overweight, 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.840 Like it's just impossible to like not have that be 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.000 weigh a thousand pounds. Like That's why I didn't mind 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:07.640 picking yours up and putting it in the Uber for you, 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:09.080 because I was like, this is me. Every time I 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.040 travel with my kids, I always have that big ass away. 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.640 It's just like, is it not an ad? 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.040 No, But if I had just maybe worn fifty percent 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:19.960 of what I brought, then I'd feel better about it. 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.680 But like, I didn't wear most of it, and that 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.640 is what hurts my heart. So then now we're back, Okay, 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:29.920 So this bitch let this guy in, and the next 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.280 shot is there's signs of a struggle in the apartment. 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.040 The luggage is on the floor, there's a lamp on 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.760 the floor, the sofa's turned over, and then we see 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:38.280 this girl. 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:39.120 She's on the ground. 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.600 She's not dead, but he's putting tape on her mouth 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.600 and she's beat up and bloody. 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.400 This is not going good. 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.920 And then in walks another woman, but she just starts 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.920 screaming and she's just frozen. 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.280 She's in shock in action. 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.760 He just closes the door very calmly and knocks her 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.840 the fuck out, And now he's like out of breath 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.680 but getting turned on, and there's like a sheen of 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.200 sweat over him, and he's just like he's just getting 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:05.640 pumped up for what's. 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.560 About to happen. I don't I don't love it. 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.360 So now we're at a very active crime scene and 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.960 Hank approaches, asking if it was Yates and Benson and 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.920 Rollins are there to say, I mean maybe, and Sophia 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.000 is one track mind. She's like Nadia, Nadia, No, Nadia 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.680 is not here, and these were flight attendants and they 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:27.080 were sexually assaulted with their skulls cracked, and Cariese's talking 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.320 to a witness who's sad because they were so young, 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.200 and Sofia comes over to a super slick backgeled hair 0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.240 CARESI and he shows her a bunch of He shows 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.640 the witness a bunch of white man faces and she 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:39.960 points to Yates, but also a different one, so she 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.240 doesn't know exactly what it is, but she said that 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.480 he just had the nicest smile, but cannot point him 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.000 out and does not know where he left, like what 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.720 direction he went. The detectives walk away, like if he 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.240 had time with these two, where the fuck is Nadia? 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.480 They all meet up and they need to find him. 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.000 Benson says, there's a reason he's in this fucking neighborhoo, 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.120 and we need to find out something from his past 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.880 that ties him to Elmhurst. It cuts to Yates following 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:07.880 a woman holding a bouquet of flowers, and he has 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.800 a dirty smile, he's so busy, I can't believe it. 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.640 And we do a quick cut to Hank walking out 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.440 of a basement apartment aka. 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.720 The lower level or on my Luman heads out there. 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:20.760 Good night from the lower level. 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.080 So we do a quick cut to Hank walking out 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:30.080 of the basement apartment aka the lower level, saying, this 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.000 guy is an animal and they can't believe he just 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.280 charms his way into these women's homes. There is no 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.880 forced entry, but he is getting sloppy and it's either 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:40.560 because he knows that they're closing in. 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.400 On him, so he has to do his last hurrah. 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.840 But shit is wild, like the doors are being held open, 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.880 the bodies are visible, so what's going on? Christie and 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.360 Sophia run over with important news. He has a parking 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.720 ticket from years ago and it happened three blocks from 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.080 this location, so we must live close by. 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.000 Finally, Finn is here. I've missed his ass. 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:02.640 He says that he was ided by someone in the 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.320 neighborhood and confirmed a white man followed a woman into 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:05.760 this house. 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:07.480 But why didn't you do anything about it? 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.279 So the whole team is here and we're about to 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:14.400 break down the door and enter into Yates's home and 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.319 they scream NYPD, and he's legit, just like with a 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.120 woman eating calmly, and they don't seem stressed at all, 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.279 as I would be if police just entered my home 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.000 that aggressively. And Hank says, where is she? And he 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.440 acts like he doesn't know what he's talking about. So 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.680 Hank picks him up by his collar and throws him 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.319 and holds him on the wall, and Sophia protects the 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.759 woman and moves her away. Amaro takes and arrests him, 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.040 and then the woman is like, we're having lunch, what's up? 0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.879 And Finn's like, you know this guy and she's like, yeah, 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:42.720 that's my fiance. 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.839 So they all look shocked as hell. He looks really satisfied. 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.560 And now we're back at the squad and rollins is 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.919 an interrogation with the e with the Eights, and Hank 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.719 tells the nondescript white man from the Chicago PD who 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.160 just flew in, that we need a bad cop in there. 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.560 So he enters to play some role playing games on 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.000 and he's doing some lying and playing naive and they're 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.600 trying to get some info from him, and he says 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.120 that he was on edge and that Chicago PD was 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.320 after him, so he was just going to visit the 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.480 station and clear things up. But then he just ran 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.840 into Nadia and she thought it was a bad idea 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.000 and so but so then he offered her a ride 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.760 because she needed to get out of town but didn't 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.120 want to do it alone, and so he went with it. 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.200 Like I don't even how is this story believable at 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:29.680 all in any capacity? 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.279 Like it's like, this is the worst lie ever. 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.399 Yes, Nadia wanted to hang out and take a road 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.320 trip with you, a fucking stranger. 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.360 She had a cake with her, a stranger that she 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.759 knows the Chicago PED is looking at for like several murders. 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:48.640 Like it's wild, wild, So there's a huge audience watching 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:50.880 in the middle of the you know, fish room, like 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:54.640 the spy area. All the detectives are there. Hank's like, 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.160 what the fuck is this a date or an interrogation? 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.239 And he's not liking good cop Rollins and he knows 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:01.160 the clock is sticking. 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.480 But Benson's like, chill out, let you know, let her 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.479 manipulate him. Relax. Yeah, this is some of Rollins's best 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.200 flirt work. Later late in later episodes, I feel like, yeah. 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.239 Carisy agrees, like, I don't think this is gonna work. 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.600 I don't think he's gonna give like, I don't think 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.960 he's gonna give up information. But Finn and Benson do 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.560 believe in her skills. So Crisee's like, well, maybe the girlfriend, 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.120 that's who's gonna crack. And so the girlfriend is in 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.280 the fancier, classier interrogation room and Sophia Bush and Amaro 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.920 in there, and basically the fiance has been with Yates 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.000 for nineteen years, on and off. 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.799 They met in med school, on and off. We were 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:38.360 on a break. 0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.840 They moved to New York together, but only got engaged 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.880 that day. He never wanted to commit, but it works 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.759 for her because they never lived together. And they're like, 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.840 you never thought that was strange, And she's like, I 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:52.680 don't know. He's busy, he needs a loone time to 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.160 hike and bike. I don't give a fuck what Mark. 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.080 Is like his motivation asking that woman to marry him, 0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.759 like when he knows the cops are closing in on 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.680 him and shit, Like I thought maybe it was like 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:03.359 he was going to try to marry her real quick 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.319 so she couldn't so there'd be like spousal privilege, but like, 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.719 well because like nineteen years she probably has seen some shit, 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.680 maybe even though she seems dumb. 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:15.759 Well, in the future episodes with Yates, we find out 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.320 like he could tell that she was pregnant. 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.600 That's right, Sorry, you're right, And so he liked that. 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.279 So I think that's what, Like, couldn't black that out? Yeah, 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:28.040 he can like smell if you're pregnant. Yeah, he does 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:33.319 it to Rolins too. Oh yeah, you go to see 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.160 this doctor. He just smells you and goes, I know 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:36.239 exactly what's wrong. 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:40.880 Yeah, and Amaro's like, babe, you don't know who he is, like, 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.279 and he starts showing her the missing person flyers of 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.640 women that have disappeared, and that all these people disappeared 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.200 anytime he was in a town. So we went to 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.719 Duke and women were disappearing New York, New Orleans, Chicago. 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.200 They were all right, beaten, burned, and Greg lived in 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.120 all the cities where it happened. Before we can see 0:37:58.120 --> 0:37:59.840 what this girlfriend's gonna say, we cut back to you 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.919 saying that Nadia saw him as a father figure. Bad 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.240 cop is getting mad. Rollins asked, what do you think happened? 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.080 To her since you were you know, the last one 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.040 to see her, and he says, I mean she's a 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.120 hot girl in New York, she went to party. Who 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.200 knows what happened? And Rollins is thinking she's slick, and 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.919 she asks, oh, where would someone like that take her? 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.480 And he catches onto the game, but he's also you know, 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.960 he's into it, so he plays along and says he 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.479 would take her to a remote location where he would 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.680 do whatever he wanted to her and then take her 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.480 body to a special sacred place, and that he would 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.040 visit her every once in a while maybe, And so 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.279 it's kind of like the OJ Simpson thing of like 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.200 I didn't do it, but if I did, so that's 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.839 the vibe of the speech. And then he looks directly 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.120 under the two way mirror because he knows who's watching, 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.000 and he's like, maybe I would even defile her again. 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.880 And then yeah, he goes, so sorry this happened to you. 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.840 I know you must be sad and you're living a 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.080 you know, you're living in hell wondering what even happened 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.400 to her body? And Hank Wanson Finn stops him and 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.000 you know, like, let Amanda do this, okay, relax. We're 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.040 back on the girlfriend who's like, no, no, no, no, no, 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:07.000 that's not my that's not my little yate se And 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:08.759 she thinks they're lying to her. 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:10.000 They're pleading with her. 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.399 They start showing her more evidence him at the truck 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.480 stop buying an ice pick, stolen credit cards. The girlfriend 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.600 starts looking worried and confused. They show more items in 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:20.960 the car and she says, you're lying. You're not lying. 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.520 I know that you're lying because he was at the beach. 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.520 He had sand in his shoes. He sat at the 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.800 beach and that's where he decided to propose to me. 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.040 And she even calls the beach his special place, ding 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.560 ding ding What beach? And now we're at Pelham Bay 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.200 Park in the Bronx. So many cops white, like has 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.040 matt suit people everywhere, and like the beach. 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:42.719 Yeah, so many people at the beach. He got a 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.000 lot fucking done. This guy too, he like cruised in 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.880 from Chicago, got these two flight attendants, like was able 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.960 to drop bodies in the Bronx, head to Elmhurst to 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:56.560 see his fiance. This man is zooming around Manhattan at a. 0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:01.839 Stay and before lunch, before lunch, made it back for lunch. Yeah, 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:05.080 they don't see the bodies at the beach, but you know, 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.520 they're also like, this is such a busy public space, 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:08.480 like how could he do it? 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.560 And they're like, well, the woods are more sacred. Maybe 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:11.280 it's in the woods. 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.800 And they find old ass bones, lots of bones, hands, 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.640 they've been there for years. My god, Benson says. Then 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:24.120 suddenly they find nautium. Sophia starts crying. Amorro says, sorry, 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.680 she is dead. She's under the tarp, she's naked and 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.319 there's blood on her face and it's sad. We come 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.000 back from a long black fade out to someone's hand 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.200 flipping through the crime scene photos on an iPad, and 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:34.560 I'm like. 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.520 Who's hands are these? It's Barbara. 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:40.000 So he's with Hank and Benson at a long table 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.520 and so far they've found seven remains and they're still 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.399 working through the night to find more, and they're looking 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.560 at dental records. They're going to match up the victims, 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.480 but there's no forensics, unfortunately, so it's gonna be hard. 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.920 He is a smart doctor. Everything he does is random. 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.280 He chooses the victims at random. Sometimes he burns, sometimes 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.640 he buries. And no evidence ever, Like there's no blood 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.120 on him for his latest victims, and no DNA of 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.359 his in their apartments. I don't understand how because there's 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.520 obviously a scuffle in that first apartment, like the couch was. Like, 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.359 I just can't believe he's left no evidence because he's 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.960 not dexter dressed either, like. 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:16.000 His hair is falling around. I was gonna say he 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.360 might know how to like bleach shit down, but yeah, hair, 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.960 I don't know. Other stuff like that's that is wild. 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.000 And then one of the women, one of the flight attendants, 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.279 did survive the attack from earlier, but she has way 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.000 too much brain damage to id him. And Barbara is 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.680 getting really frustrated, and Benson has an idea Nadia was 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:33.440 not random. 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:35.560 That was a screw you to the Chicago PD. 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.920 So Barba asked if they have any evidence of them 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.560 being together in the car, and they do. You know, 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.960 he admits driving together, So that's the best case to pursue. 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.920 So we're at court on an April fifteenth day, and 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.280 Yates wants to represent himself. 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:50.759 Of course, all the psychos do. 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.960 The judge presiding this case is Elena Barth, light red 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.440 hair with hoops, and Melinda Warner's on the stand, what 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.040 a little blessing, and we hear her voice and we 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.680 see the jury passing down photos as she explains that 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.319 the evidence shows that Nadia was struck over and over 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.480 with a heavy object and was strangled bound like she 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.640 just you know, gives the rundown of all the stuff 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.920 that's happening. I mean, we know Yates is about to 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.600 pull some nonsense, and so it's his turn to ask questions. 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.320 And he asked if the evidence that showed sexual traumas 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.640 the same evidence that would be there for an active 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.840 sex worker, and she says to some extent, and he 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:29.719 says nothing further, Dick. And now it's Sofia on the 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.399 stand and Barba is softballing questions to Sophia, and then 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.279 Yates says an objection, it is sustained. So that's like 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.840 embarrassing for Barbara, Like that's. 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.160 Like not a real lawyer can object you. It's just 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.320 get it together, Barba. 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:46.799 I'm scared for what Yates is about to do to 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:51.360 her in the stand. So Yates asks how she met Nadia, 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.320 and basically she arrested her for working as an escort 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.879 and she was on drugs and addicted to heroin when 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.320 she was arrested, and the camera goes to the jury 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.560 as one woman changes her face like I guess she 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:02.680 was supposed to be murdered. 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:06.319 Yeah, they always get that with like these people that 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.640 played jurors that are like hmm, like the face that's 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.640 like heroin. Yeah, you kind of had it coming, sweetheart, 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.680 Like it's fucked. Yeah, but that's how people are. It's 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.880 just like most people, they're just on it reads on 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:25.080 their faces so perfectly, you know. Yeah, it's Yeah. 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.200 What I keep thinking about is people on juries that 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.680 are like these anti abortion people that are like, well 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.839 just close your legs and that's it, and it's like, yeah, 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.720 that's the Yeah, you're right, you just solved a big problem. 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:38.040 It's like these dense as people who don't see anything. 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:38.480 Okay. 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:40.960 Yeah, Like because she was on heroine, she dug herself 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.720 a shallow grave and jumped right in it and assaulted herself. 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:48.040 So anyways, she did rehab, she was clean, she's been sober. 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.839 They became roommates. They hung out every day for a year. 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:51.719 They're besties. 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:56.440 And then he calls Nadia a little rescue project and 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.040 how I guess you failed. Then Barbara doesn't objection, and 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.799 Elena is like, you're done. Mystery ates, and then he 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.799 goes okay, Doki and just sits down like this is 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.640 not affecting him at all. Sophia shakes her head in 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.880 disbelief that this just happened, that, like, you know, Nadia 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.440 was just discredited fully because of her you know, tumultuous past. 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.080 She gets off the stand feeling bad but she tried 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.560 her best. But her and Hank are not happy with 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.399 the way he portrayed Nadia. Hank approaches Barba like you're 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.839 gonna let him talk about her like that, and they 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.400 have a tense little scuffle in the hallway of the courtroom, 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.959 and Barba's like he's charming. He lured all these women 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.720 to their deaths with his charm, Like I'm fucking trying. 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:35.280 He he's a trickster. 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.440 So him and Benson go to prepmore, but Benson says, 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.520 give me a second to go talk to her, you know, 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.239 her friends from Chicago, and she says, maybe you don't 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.319 want to be in the courtroom and he goes, oh, yes, 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.120 I do, and then storms off to go listen. 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.280 To emo music in his room. And like punch a pillow. 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.200 So now Benson is now on the stand and Barba 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.320 is questioning her. She's saying that they found Deanna and 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.320 Lindsay's car and bled from the victim, and he claimed 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.840 that Nadi and him into the car. He did not 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.360 explain the blood, but he said he was sure that 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.680 she must have suffered. First question out the gate for 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.000 Yates is to asks you don't like me, do you? 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:14.160 And Barbara objecks Elena sustains it questions to the case. 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.759 Only he starts digging as to why Benson was in 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:19.799 Chicago with the case and how it was similar to 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.399 an old case and like they had other suspects, right, 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.040 it wasn't on me, And she's like, yeah, there were 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.279 tons of suspects and lots of leads, and we looked 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.560 into all of them, which I think makes sense to me. 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:33.320 But then the other suspects was Will hall Stead, and 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:34.680 it's like, okay, where is this going? 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:35.520 Where is this going? 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.080 Because basically Benson says they talked to this guy because 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.279 he knew another woman that had gone missing, and that 0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:43.279 he's trying to pin it on this guy, so that's 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:44.040 what he's trying to do. 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:45.760 So this guy came. 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.400 To Chicago right before that victim and works at the 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.480 same hospital as the victim. So this Will Hallstead guy 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.680 is a doctor at this hospital and the victim knows him. 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:55.960 And they talked to him and. 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.000 They're like, yeah, but we ruled him out because of 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.720 an alibi, and Yates is smiling, so it's a bad sign. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:04.719 And basically the alibi was confirmed by Chicago Intelligence Unit, 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.359 which is the nondescript white guy and so his name. 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.520 So what we learn is the nondescript cop is Halstead, 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.880 who is brothers with the doctor. So this cop brother 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.760 is the alibi for this doctor. So this is fucking 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.640 shady and Chicago should have taken care of this. 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.800 This is like such sloppy way. It looks bad, bad optics, 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:25.239 for sure, it's so bad. 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.160 And they're like, yeah, you went to find someone else 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.480 to pin the murder on. You're trying to defend this brother, 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.880 and Benson's like, the doctor was cleared because he didn't 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.600 do it. He Gates asked if they asked where he 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.920 was when Nadia went missing, and Benson says no, and 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:39.799 he says, well, I guess you didn't want to know 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:40.560 that didn't you. 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:43.759 So that was a really good line of questioning. 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:45.520 And we're back in the hallway and Hall said, is 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.440 trying to excuse this sloppy bs to Sophia Rollins and 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.600 Hank and Finn, and Fing goes he's smart, and Hank 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:52.680 says he's scum. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.719 I just love this. Rollin says he knows what he's doing. 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.400 He gets off on torture even if it's in court. 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.839 They enter the elevator and the doors closed very dramatically, 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.399 and then we open back up at the Supreme Court, 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.680 Part twenty one and Yates is on the stand and 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.440 he's claiming that he saw Nadia outside the police station 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.320 and that she warned him that the police were looking 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.279 for a patsy and he should watch out. 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:20.120 Like the story keeps changing. I hate him. And that's 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.200 when you decided to move to New York with her? 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:23.120 Like what is happening? 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.480 And he said, no, you decided to leave with her 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.799 when she described what Chicago Pede was doing to her. Barba, 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.359 come on, get him, Like that's all I keep thinking about. 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:37.919 I'm like, get this motherfucker. And also Yates has co 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:39.920 counsel and it's this woman in Tweed and we'll be 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:41.960 calling her tweed for the rest of the show. 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.600 And he and like, he's a surgeon, so he's fucking rich. 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:48.799 So I'm sure she's like a really good lawyer. So 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.359 Yeates says that the boss, Hank Void, was making her 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:55.200 have sex with him, and so Yates was helping her escape. 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.520 He wanted to stop the boss from raping her, and 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.160 she was just strawt and wanted to get high. And 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:01.520 as she got to New York, she wents to go 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:04.800 get a fix. And now Barbara, on his second objection 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.120 during the line of questioning for hearsay like, you can't 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.880 fucking talk like that, and it is sustained. He said 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.000 his last impression of Nadia was that she had a 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:13.759 look in her eye that she was jonesing and that 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.759 she just you know, was gonna go prostitute herself and 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:21.080 get drugs. And he knows this because of his medical experience, 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.759 and this dumb ass jury is gonna believe all of it. 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.840 And now it's Barbara's turn, and he's like, so she 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.439 told you that she wanted to leave with you, why 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:30.480 did she want to do that? 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.560 In that moment she left behind. 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.880 Two thousand dollars in her savings, account, all her clothes, 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.440 all her belongings, and just left with you. 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:42.279 And I'm like, get him, Jade and like, and Barbara goes. 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.520 So she wanted to leave all her friends at NA 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.640 and all her new friends that she made, and Yates 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.399 calls her desperate and he starts babbling about other shit 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.560 and Barbara and the judge won't let him, like, no, bitch, 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:55.480 you just answer the question. You cannot be babbling. And 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.160 Barba then asked, did Nadia know you were a suspect 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:01.799 for brutal rape murders? And he said yes, So you're 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.719 telling me this entire squad is looking for you for 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.360 rape and murder. And she decides to just hop in 0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:09.840 with you and do a cross country little road trip 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.240 and Barbara goes with you know. He withdraws and says 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.960 nothing Further. Yates redirects and says that her emotional state 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.640 was that she was under hanks control. He was raping her, 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.480 and this lady lawyer is like trying to stop him 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.160 and is like, stop, please stop talking, please stop talking. 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:27.319 But obviously Yates is not going. 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.080 To listen to a woman, and he starts creaking his 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:34.000 neck like he did you know earlier with his horny 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:38.200 rage murder vibe at the stewardess's apartment and Barbara looks 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.240 at Benson and they nod at each other, and Benson 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.000 and Rollins meet in the hallway and tell Barbara go 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.640 a job, and Rollins is like, you saw what we saw, 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.319 Like we all saw the same thing and the real 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.160 Greg yates and it's like yeah, and I hope the 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:48.920 jury saw it. 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:52.400 And then Barbara goes, don't worry, they will. Yeah. This 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.279 is like Dallas Roberts is like so good because just 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.839 this like that horny like trance he goes into when 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:03.040 he's like about to kill someone or thinking about killing 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.520 the act of killing is really it's so fucking creepy. 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:07.319 He's really good. 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:11.000 It's really good because it's it's like evil and turned on. 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.239 And he's a great actor. You know, he's a theater boy. 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.960 He's a theater boy. So we're back at court and 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:19.839 Melinda is back on the stand and Barbara's gonna ask 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.360 her to go through the injuries again and tweet Jackets 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:25.879 like we already did this, and Barba says, I mean, 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:27.719 you said the victim was a sex worker, and I 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.640 have the right to refute that, and the judge agrees, 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:33.520 So we let Barbara go to work and he displays 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.279 the photos open on his own desk. So Barbara like 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.440 takes the photos of all the injuries and dead body 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:41.520 stuff and puts them on the desk so Yats can 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.719 clearly see them, and they're very gruesome, and Yates is 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:48.719 looking he can't stop. And Melinda says that there was 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.960 no DNA evidence that would say she was prostituting herself, 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:54.719 and the lube was the same in both holes. It's 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.480 like a sentence. I didn't want to say, Oh God. 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:01.359 I don't remember that sentence, but now I'll never forget it. 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.920 So she was assaulted in both places by the same person, 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.160 that is what she is saying is very likely, and 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.120 the damage happened at the same time. So then Barbara 0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:15.920 goes and picks up the photo of the dead head 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:20.920 and like fully is turning it to Yates, like full horizontal, 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:22.360 like shoving it in his face. 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.600 Yeah, it's not even a cheating, it's like a full 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:26.080 I want to see. 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.280 Yeah, And oh my god, did you watch the hocus 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:30.840 Pocus two trailer came out this morning? 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:31.080 No? 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:38.759 Okay, So anyways, so Benson nods. She's like getting wet 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.480 for what's about to happen. And then Barba sits down, 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.160 and you know, it was a quick line of questioning 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.839 because this is all just a ploy, and I wonder 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:48.960 if from Melinda's in on it, but I think she is, 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:52.239 but I'm not sure. So then Elena the judge asks 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:53.919 if there will be a cross and at the same 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:57.000 time Yates says yes, and tweet Jacket says no, and 0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:59.640 then they little they do a little whisper and he 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:01.799 says yes, yes, and gets up and says he has 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.480 a few questions, and then Yates asked Barbara ta examin 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.880 the photos, and Barbara goes, yeah, of course, babes anything 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.280 for you. So he picks them up and he can't 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.040 even focus. He's just going through them, and it seems 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.320 like forever that he's looking, and Elena is like, Yates, 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.120 do you have any questions? And he says yes, yes, yes, 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:23.799 But and finally he asks kid her injuries be the 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.879 result of sex work, and Melinda says, I've said this 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:29.520 eight thousand times. 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.880 I know No, it is not likely, bitch, it is 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:33.520 not likely. 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:37.120 She was fucking savage, And he asks how so, and 0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.080 Melinda goes into the details of all the injuries, and 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:43.320 he starts asking more and more specific questions about the injuries. 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.759 And I mean, he says anal sphincter. It's like not 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.440 a fun line of sentences. I thought of that when 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.440 I was lying in bed this morning. I was like, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:52.759 oh remember when he said that. 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:56.640 Oh yeah, I didn't like it. 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:58.000 And I'm not going to tell you what happened to 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:02.640 the anal sphincter. I'll tell you that much respect then 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:04.680 as or I thought if I type it, the government 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:05.560 would come arrest me. 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:06.000 Okay. 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:09.719 So then he asked like was it painful and she 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:12.400 says yes, it was a slow, painful death. And he 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:15.560 asks how long she survived after first attack and would 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:17.120 she be in agony the whole time? 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.000 And the judge is like, Barbara, do you have any objections? 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:22.839 And he goes, oh, no, I'm fine, your honor, thank you. 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:26.600 But what would the objection be about, Like here's say 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:30.319 or like irrelevance, Like this guy's just jerking off to 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.759 the details of the you know, like the horrors, and 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.319 so yeah, I just probably irrelevance. I don't know. I'm 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:38.719 not a lawyer, but I would imagine. 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.040 So he keeps asking if she was in a lot 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.600 of pain. He likes knowing she was in pain. Melinda 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:45.600 turns to make eye contact with the judge and they 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:48.799 have a moment like what the fuck? And he is 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:52.120 full creepy and Melinda's letting him know every detail that 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:55.080 he wants to hear, and he asks, like what goes 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:58.120 through a victim's head through her final moments in life? 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.640 And finally the tweet jacket, It's like stop, can I 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:04.400 can I talk to my client? And Gates is like, 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:07.200 I'm gonna dude, I'm about to be hard. And then 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.680 she asks for a short recess and he tells her 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:15.160 to sit down, and so then he starts talking about 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:16.280 fear adrenaline. 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:18.120 You know, he's cracking his neck. 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:21.359 He asks if she had awareness of what was going on, 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:24.160 like did she know these were the final moments of 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.040 her life? And then he loses it and fully starts screaming, 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.760 come on, doctor, we are both medical people. 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.920 Use your knowledge. And then he checks out the jury 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.279 and finally he sees that they are horrified, creeped out 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.680 and confused, like their faces have changed fully, and so 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:44.239 he like snaps back into reality and easy. Breezy goes, 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:48.719 or don't. That didn't make me laugh? And then he's 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:50.480 use your knowledge or don't. 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.560 He's so talented, and he goes back and sits down, 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:57.600 and Tweed can't even look at him, like I think. 0:54:57.640 --> 0:54:59.480 She's like, oh my god, I gotta stay safe. 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.719 Benson looks hot, and then it's jury reading time, and 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:07.360 this woman says rape and sodomy guilty, murder first degree guilty. 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:12.040 Elena puts his ass in custody from until sentencing. Hank 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.440 shakes Barba's hand. Yates looks at Hank. He gets carried off. Okay, 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:18.520 So now everyone's at the cop bar and then there's 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:21.200 a giant American flag and Holes said goes, we will 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:21.600 miss her. 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.120 They're all very quiet. 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.680 Sophia raises her drink and says tonati and they all cheers, 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.719 and Finn is drinking red wine. I didn't know that, 0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:33.280 and he has and he had a ring on, and Benson, 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:34.560 of course is drinking red wine. 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:36.520 And then a bunch of them have liquor, and Caresy 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:40.640 has a beer bottle, and now it's courthouse holding time, 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.239 and Hank goes to sea Yates and starts choking him 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.280 so obviously like he you know, sweet talked his way 0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.680 into the cell and starts choking the shit out of 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:53.600 him and says, you didn't see me coming because you 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:57.040 dropped your guard for a second. And he's choking, and 0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:00.120 he says it's really kind of hot. He goes, I 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.400 can end this now, I can snap your neck and 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.960 strangle you. Am I, Yates, I love this, Okay, So 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.440 then he lets him go to cough and they put 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.800 him in a cell. I realize in his full suit, 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:12.200 and I don't think you could put someone in a 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:14.880 cell with a tie on. I was like, that's like definitely, 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:18.919 remember one, you don't get to wear a tie into 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.279 jail as you've just been like convicted. Yeah, I saw 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:25.320 that too, full full suit. 0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:29.399 But Hank goes super close to sim and says, what's 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:31.920 the hurry. I want to make you feel what others feel, 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:34.600 the pain, the fear, looking over your shoulder when you 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:37.800 eat or take a leak, and sleeping with both eyes open, 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.600 and someone will do to you what you did to Nadia. 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:44.160 It's coming and Yates look serious, and then it's the 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:46.360 end of an incredible episode. 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:50.560 Wow, thank you Lisa, what a good recap that was 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:55.040 like so speedy for a jam packed episode too, because 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:57.000 I think we were worried because you saw how many 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.400 pages it was. But I guess you know I was. 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.600 But it moves at a clip this episode. 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.040 But sometimes my lines are just like whoa, and then 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:06.399 it's the. 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.560 Next line like, I don't it's not like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.759 I would say about a page of your notes are 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:13.280 just your thoughts. 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:17.760 Yeah, side thoughts, okay, yeah, just in little increments. I 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.560 don't know anything about that. You know what else fucks 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.880 me up? With the beach scene. I kept anticipating the 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:24.920 beach scene from Hunting Ground. 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:27.640 I know what you're talking about where all the dogs are. Yeah, 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.000 I know. I have the exact same experience. And that's 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.800 interesting that you say that. And we'll get into that 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:50.960 right after the break when we talk about the true crime. Okay, 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:55.080 we are back and this episode listen. I understand that 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:56.880 some of you are probably waiting for me to talk 0:57:56.920 --> 0:58:00.000 about Ted Bundy. I think that this is really this character. 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.360 There's really a mashup of Ted Bundy and the Long 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:06.400 Island serial killer. There's plenty of Bundy similarities, the charm 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.640 he killed across state lines, like Yates does. At one 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.400 point he escaped, which later happens with Yates he represented 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.840 himself in court. There's definitely a lot of Bundy similarities, 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.160 but there's also so much Bundy stuff out there, Like 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.000 if you don't know a bunch about Bundy, like I 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:23.000 don't know where, Like there's just so much body. It 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:26.360 was random, right, Like everything was random. He didn't kill 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:30.920 the same way always, Yeah, yeah, he was random. And 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.720 I but like, I think we will cover Ted Bundy 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.840 at another point based on another episode. I'm sure, And 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:38.720 I've read a ton about Ted Bundy and I'd love 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.160 to talk about it. It's just I really wanted to 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:43.280 cover the Long Island serial Killer here, and I'm so 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:46.919 glad I did, because holy shit, I knew nothing even 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:48.480 though I lived in New York at the time of 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:52.400 all these bodies being found, and I'm like, I can't 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.160 believe I didn't dive deeper into this before this episode. 0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:57.160 So I'm really excited to talk about this. If you 0:58:57.200 --> 0:59:00.480 can't tell, I'm just jazz to talk about this murderer. So, 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.120 the Long Island serial Killer, who's also referred to as 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:07.320 Lisk or the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist ripper. 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.919 That's less because I think there's other Craigslist killers out there. 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:12.640 Is a serial killer who is believed to have murdered 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.479 between ten and sixteen people from around nineteen ninety six 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.440 to twenty ten. He disposed of their bodies on the 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.920 south shore of Long Island, New York. Most of the 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:24.320 known victims were sex workers who advertised on Craigslist. And 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:29.000 he's still unidentified. And oh, yes, we do not know 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:30.520 who the cigst We do not know who the Long 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:32.800 Island Killer. So in theory, he could be listening to 0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.720 this in theory. When I had a job with my 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:38.400 friend Chris de Luca, very funny comedy writer, I had 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:40.000 a job with him and he always thought one of 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:42.400 our bosses was the Long Killer. And he'd be like, 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:43.960 do you see the mud on his shoes? Like he 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.640 would always like point things out because we work together. 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:48.880 Right as the Long Island Killer like got like the 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:51.400 bodies got discovered, and he would always be like, I 0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:53.000 don't know that guy lives on Long Island. Like he 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.640 would always just side to me in meetings, constantly create 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.040 this narrative that our boss was the Long Island Killer. 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.440 But that makes me so happy. I am so I 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:02.240 really hope he doesn't listen to this. The fact that 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.120 you can be an at large serial killer, just like 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:07.720 reading about your crimes and listening to people talk about 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:09.560 you is so fucked up and it just hit me 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:10.200 in a real way. 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:12.680 It's really wild too, because we have so few serial 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:17.360 killers now that can avoid like DNA, CCTV, like you know, 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:21.560 all the just like all the things that led in 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.880 the seventies and eighties, things that were missing that led 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.400 there to be so many prolific serial killers, we just 1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:29.680 don't have that. In the nineties and the two thousands, 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:32.200 we haven't had as many of those. So it's it's interesting. 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.280 So this guy was obviously a very organized killer who 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:37.680 knew how to cover his tracks. And I want to 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.400 start out by telling the story of Shannon Gilbert because 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:42.960 she's the victim that sort of blew this entire case 1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:46.960 wide open. So Shannon grew up in this really, really 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:50.040 small town called Ellenville that's halfway between New York City 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:53.880 and Albany. She was really smart, she graduated early at sixteen. 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:55.600 She had a lot of potential, and she just wanted 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:57.160 to get the fuck out of her small little town. 1:00:57.400 --> 1:00:58.960 And go to New York where she wanted to meet 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.400 beyond stage. She wanted to make it, and so she 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:04.480 moved to Jersey City in two thousand and seven. So 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:07.439 she worked at night, she auditioned during the day, and 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:10.240 she even enrolled in college classes. She was trying to 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:13.680 get educated. But you know, life is hard in New York. 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:16.480 She was broke, and so she did turn to sex work. 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:20.240 She became an escort. Her family was like embarrassed that 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:22.680 she had done this, like her sister talks about in 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.440 an interview, her sister Sherry, but her mom's like, I 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:27.520 didn't really push it. I didn't want to cut her out, 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:29.840 Like I wanted Shannon to feel like she could still 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:31.680 like come home and we were still here for her. 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:35.880 So the thing that makes Shannon a little bit different 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:39.560 is that I think a lot of people in cases 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.480 where sex workers go missing, they're like, oh, they were 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:45.000 an outcast, they had no family, no one cared. And 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:47.080 that's not the case with Shannon. Like her family really 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:48.640 cared about her. She went home all the time to 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.800 visit them. She was super close with her family. So 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:57.440 a lot of escorts have a driver and the driver 1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:01.080 takes them on their dates and that the Jack Kara. 1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:05.800 We've watched s VU. Yeah, we know that the escorts 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:11.160 get driven around. Well okay, so like sometimes it's fin yeah, 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:14.000 but we've also seen other episodes where they're just working 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:16.320 on the streets or they're just showing up at place 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:18.840 at restaurants or in hotel bars and they're alone. So 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:22.400 I didn't realize that, Like, yeah, I mean I did realize, 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:25.560 but it's obviously much smarter to have a driver who 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.240 is like kind of muscle to protect you, make sure 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:30.480 you don't get hurt or stiffed by the Johns in 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:33.120 any way. So one of the drivers for the service 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:35.480 that Shannon worked out was named Alex Diaz, and they 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.360 actually fell in love. They moved in together, but then 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:41.800 the business got busted by the cops and so they 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:45.800 sort of went solo. She started posting on craigslists and stuff. 1:02:45.840 --> 1:02:48.240 But they fought a lot, and one time he hit 1:02:48.280 --> 1:02:51.480 her so hard that he shottered her jaw so fucked up. 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:54.200 She still stayed with him. She loved him, according to 1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:56.560 her family, even though they were like hello, you know, 1:02:56.640 --> 1:03:00.800 obviously domestic violence is complicated, but all to say, she 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:04.000 had a titanium plate put into her jaw after that happened, 1:03:04.520 --> 1:03:08.600 so that's important. Later, so she stays with him. She 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:11.160 starts advertising on Craigslist. In a way, it's like, Okay, 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:13.760 we get rid of the middleman, like the escort service. 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:15.840 Now we just get the money. Alex, my boyfriend, will 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:18.920 drive me everywhere. So sometimes Alex drove her, and sometimes 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.240 it was a different guy named Michael Pack and he 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:25.320 was like a guy that Shannon trusted. And the Johns 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.200 always knew that there was a driver with her, so 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:31.040 that nobody tried any fucking funny business. So May one, 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:34.240 twenty ten, she gets a call to go to Oak Beach, 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.640 Long Island, which is about an hour outside of New 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:40.040 York City. And this is what's really really creepy about 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:43.400 this case too, Like Oak Beach is like a they 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:46.920 call it the Oak Beach Association. It's like a gated community. 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.280 There's apparently only forty or fifty houses. It's on a 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:54.520 really really remote strip of Long Island, lots of marshland, 1:03:54.920 --> 1:04:00.280 lots of beach, but like really remote. And according to People, 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:05.960 I watched an investigation discovery combo with People magazine investigates 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:07.640 on this. So a lot of my info is from that. 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:11.200 The reference to the sources will be in the show notes, 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:13.800 of course, But in this they interview somebody who's like, yeah, 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:17.080 it's a party town, like nobody really bothers you. I 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:19.520 kind of got the island life kind of feeling of it, 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:22.280 like everybody does their own thing, you party. The police 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:24.760 are really hands off. They don't really investigate stuff. I 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:28.080 don't think they have their own police. 1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:29.160 Tammy Bahama Jimmy Buffett vibe. 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:32.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. People are kind of like it seems 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:35.400 like people are pretty wealthy out there, but I couldn't 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:37.640 really get a beat on, like what else was going 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:40.360 on out there. So anyway, this is just like a 1:04:40.760 --> 1:04:44.760 kind of a weird, very insular beachy town. And she 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:47.880 gets this call out there for you know, someone interested 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:51.320 in her services. And she gets out there around midnight 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:54.400 and she's there with Michael Pack. It's not her boyfriend 1:04:54.400 --> 1:04:57.439 this time, it's Michael Pack driving her. The John comes out. 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:02.920 His name is Joe Brewer. The special I was watching 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.520 called him a little off kilter but sociable. I don't 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:08.360 know what that means. And so she goes in there, 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:11.960 Oh exactly what it means. Yeah, but they don't say, 1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:14.760 like why, I don't know. They don't say why he goes, 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:17.160 So I guess usually her dates are an hour. But 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:19.320 because they like went all this way and it's like 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:21.800 long Island, he's paying for more. He was paying for 1:05:21.840 --> 1:05:24.880 five hours. So the driver Michael is outside and like 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:28.600 falls asleep. Around four point thirty in the morning, Joe Brewer, 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:31.160 the John taps on his window and he's like annoyed 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:33.560 because he's like, hey, Shannon won't leave, and I'm like 1:05:33.600 --> 1:05:35.520 ready to call it a night. And so they go 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:40.160 inside and he finds Shannon hiding behind the couch terrified. 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:43.240 She's on the phone with nine one one and she's 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:45.440 saying to nine one one, they're trying to kill me. 1:05:46.240 --> 1:05:50.320 So what's going on? Like she's in her clothes, I mean, 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:53.280 according to the reenactment I'm watching, she's in her clothes. Yeah, 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:54.480 I guess that could be our dream. 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:56.360 Like if we don't get on SVU, maybe we can 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:59.040 be in a reenactment on HLN. 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:02.560 These Reinnacs are funny. I really recommend you guys go 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:04.840 check it out. Like they just keep showing her putting 1:06:04.920 --> 1:06:06.760 on lip gloss as like a way to show that 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:10.000 she's a sex worker. Anyway, Michael tries to calm her down. 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:12.840 Joe Brewer's like, you gotta go. And I know this 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:15.360 because I've listened to the nine one one call. And 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:18.440 she runs out of the house and Michael Pack's like, 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.560 what the fuck is going on? He's kind of annoyed. 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:24.120 She starts running through the neighborhood, knocking on doors and 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:26.240 screaming for help. All of this is on the nine 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.680 one one Call. They just released the nine one one 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:31.000 Call like in the last year or so, so I 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:35.080 listened to it and it's it's really crazy, but I'll 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:37.120 get into it in a second. The first how she 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:39.080 gets to is a guy named Gus Coletti. He's like 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:41.600 an older guy, he's lived on Oak Beach forever and 1:06:41.640 --> 1:06:43.760 he's like, what's going on? Can I help you? And 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:45.880 he's like, is someone after you? And she's like help 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:49.240 me please, and then he's like, yeah, come inside, I'll 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:50.960 help you. And then she just stands there for a second, 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:53.400 and then when she sees the headlights from Michael Pack's car, 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:56.640 she just keeps running and like in the video that 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:58.720 in the reenactment that you're seeing, she's like wearing high 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:00.919 heels it's like what you're running through this dark beach 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:03.000 community at four thirty in the morning in heels like 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:05.040 I don't know what's going on when someone drugged her. 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:07.000 I mean, I guess you know what happened. Well, I'll 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:11.720 tell you. No. No, that's a great question because Coletti 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:14.320 tells the driver I called on one one and the 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:16.520 driver's like, Pack is like, you shouldn't have done that. 1:07:16.560 --> 1:07:18.080 You're gonna get her in trouble. And so now these 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:21.320 two are arguing and now Shannon disappears. So I did 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:23.520 listen to the nine one one call, and it's really 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:29.560 strange because Shannon sounds scared, but she's not really. She 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:32.480 sounds a little bit drugged. To me. I'm not a professional. 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:35.000 I'm just saying she sounds like she's on something. Like 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:37.360 when she calls the nine one operator go, she goes, 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:41.200 someone's after me, help, someone's after me. Help. Please Please. 1:07:41.360 --> 1:07:43.800 She just keeps saying please over and over again. But 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:46.720 like it's not super desperate, it's like kind of flat. 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:49.920 Later there's parts where she's screaming and like, you know, 1:07:50.040 --> 1:07:54.160 she's definitely upset, but like this part and like you 1:07:54.240 --> 1:07:56.800 hear Michael go in and Joe in there, going you 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:58.760 gotta go, let's go, let's go, and she's like no, 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:03.120 please stop, stop, no stop, and it's like just go. 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:05.720 They just want you to go. It's so it's so strange, 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:08.840 but like, who knows what happened there, Like the driver 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:11.720 was asleep for like four hours. It seems like no 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:15.040 idea what happened in there. But she felt like or 1:08:15.240 --> 1:08:17.080 people were saying she was maybe drug maybe she was 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:19.519 having some kind of panic attack or break. Who knows 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:22.120 what was going on. But these guys were trying to 1:08:22.160 --> 1:08:26.360 get her out. So Michael Pack says that he circled 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:30.240 around like Oak Beach, drove down like the long stretch 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:32.760 of road trying to find her, and then eventually the 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:34.439 sun came up and he was like, well, the sun's 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:36.120 up now, I guess she'll get her way home, which 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:38.040 other people are like, that's fucked up, Like you're an 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:39.479 hour from the city. She does not know how to 1:08:39.479 --> 1:08:42.280 get home from there, like why did you leave? But 1:08:43.160 --> 1:08:46.040 the next morning, when Shannon isn't home, Alex, her boyfriend, 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:48.759 calls Michael and he's like, yeah, Shannon was acting crazy. 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:50.800 I looked for her for a while. When the sun 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:52.960 came up, I peaced like I figured she'd make her 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:56.760 way home, and like they they call the cops, and 1:08:56.800 --> 1:08:58.880 the cops don't care. They're like, she's over twenty one, 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:00.840 she's a sex worker. You need to report her in 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:04.160 her hometown, which is Jersey City, which is very far 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:06.920 away from Long Island, and like what are the Jersey 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:09.679 City cops going to do? So then Michael Pack calls 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:13.479 Shannon's sister, Sherry, and he's being kind of sketchy and 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:15.519 he's like just checking in to see if like you've 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:18.760 talked to Shannon and if she's okay, and the sister's like, dude, 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:21.280 this is your fault. And he's like, I have an alibi. 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:23.640 And it's like, wait, if you didn't do anything to 1:09:23.680 --> 1:09:26.240 my sister, then why are you talking about having an alibi? 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:28.840 And like, what's your alibi? You were out on Long 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:31.479 Island with my sister when she disappeared. Like it's just 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:34.160 a sketchy call. So then the sister immediately calls the 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:36.479 cops when she gets off the phone with him. So 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:40.640 then eventually the Suffolk County there's two counties involved with 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:43.120 this a lot, which is Suffolk and NASA. The Suffolk 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:47.240 County Missing Person's Department eventually picks up Shannon's case, and 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:49.960 this is I would say completely due to the fact 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:52.439 that her family is pressuring them. Like a lot of 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:55.080 other sex workers go missing all the time, this girl's 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:57.639 family was like really really pressuring to help find her. 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:01.479 And so they start with the nine one call, and 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:03.840 the nine one one call was twenty three minutes long. 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:06.559 I listen to a lot of it is just like 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:09.200 she's running. You just hear her running on the call 1:10:09.280 --> 1:10:13.920 and stuff. And then but what was confusing is like 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:16.439 when she called nine one one, there's a lot of 1:10:17.000 --> 1:10:20.320 what where are you? What where are you? What where 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:22.080 are you? I don't know? Can you trace me? I 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:23.880 don't know where I am, Like, you know, there's a 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:26.840 lot of miscommunication. Like so that's what also leads me 1:10:26.880 --> 1:10:30.000 to think that maybe she's maybe drunk, Like maybe it's 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:32.280 four thirty in the morning. Maybe she's just extremely tired. 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:35.880 I don't know, but she doesn't really sound super with it. 1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:38.960 And so nine one one thinks she's at Jones Beach, 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:41.200 which shout out to my first concert at Nukid's on 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:42.880 the Block is where I saw them at Jones Beach 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:46.040 and then they turn her over to New York State 1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:49.000 Police even though she's because she's several miles away from 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:52.120 Jones Beach. So it's like, it's all confusing how the 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:54.320 nine to one one call is getting routed around and 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:57.599 then at some point the phone just goes dead. That night, 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.880 the cops got two more calls about a woman form 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:02.599 and screaming. One was from a guy named Gus Colletti 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:05.160 that we sweet tek. We just talked about how he 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:07.160 was trying to help her, and the other was a 1:11:07.200 --> 1:11:10.800 woman who you can tee. I heard her nine one 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:13.760 one call and she's like, there's a woman banging on 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:15.439 my door. I got my elderly mother in here. I'm 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:17.759 not letting her in, like, and she's very long island, 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:21.160 and she's kind of just calling the cops to be like, hey, 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:24.639 I'm not letting this girl in. Maybe she needs help. Also, weirdly, 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:27.160 that guy Colletti, when he called the cops, he kept 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:29.799 saying that she was fourteen years old, and she's not fourteen. 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:32.960 So the police get two calls from these people about 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:35.960 this woman frantic and screaming. But the responding officer gets 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.880 there and he has no idea who Shannon is and 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:40.920 he doesn't know about her call because that nine one 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:44.360 one call has gone to a different like like jurisdiction, 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:49.080 like and so so wild. Yeah, no, it gets crazy, 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:51.360 It gets even crazier. This is like the craziest We 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:55.799 haven't even met the killer yet. No, no, this is crazy. 1:11:56.400 --> 1:11:59.960 So there's no crime really all there is this woman 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:02.759 screaming and it just never gets connected to this twenty 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:04.760 three minute nine to one one call. They just are 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:08.200 like and it's like, yes, can we continue funding the police? 1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:10.960 They're doing such a good job. So anyway, two days 1:12:11.000 --> 1:12:14.280 after Shannon goes missing, her mom Mary gets a phone call. 1:12:14.680 --> 1:12:17.760 This is like everything about this just keeps heightening. This 1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:20.639 story is so wild. Mary gets a phone call from 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:23.479 a guy whose name is doctor Peter Hackett and he 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:27.439 asks for Shannon and and he's like, is she home? 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:30.479 And the mom's like, no, who is this? And he says, 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.000 I run a home for wayward girls. They literally keep 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:35.920 talking about how this guy runs a home for wayward girls, 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:38.000 which feels like a very I don't know cider house 1:12:38.080 --> 1:12:40.880 rules way to describe running like some kind of youth home. 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:43.920 Wait, what is cider house rules about? I remember the ads. 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:46.000 I know it's Charlie's and Toby, but what is it? 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.200 No idea. I think it's a bunch of orphans. I 1:12:49.200 --> 1:12:51.519 think it's an orphan house. I don't know if that's 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:54.840 what it was. It looked like a romantic movie. No, 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:56.960 but they may grow up, but it's about kids at 1:12:56.960 --> 1:13:01.000 the beginning. Oh really, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I have 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:05.120 no idea. I've never seen that. Oh wait, someone I 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.760 was hanging out with their son goes to school with 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:11.960 Toby McGuire's kids, and you know, kids love Spider Man. 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.439 So her son came home and was like, I'm not 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:21.599 Spider Man, and it was really cute. Okay, what's the meaning? Okay, 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:24.120 so cider house rules refers to the list of rules 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:26.720 that the migrant workers are supposed to follow at the 1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:30.040 Ocean View orchards. Yeah. I think it's a bunch of 1:13:30.120 --> 1:13:32.680 kids that start working at this orchard and then they 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:35.240 grow up there or something. We're Oh, yeah, you're right. 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:38.120 World War two era main orphanage run by a doctor 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:41.800 who trained him and his journey leaving the orphanage. 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:44.200 Okay, this is exciting news. 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:44.679 Yeah. 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:46.880 I mean I thought it was just like a fuck movie. 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:48.519 Oh no, no, no, I. 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:52.479 Because I remember Shirley's and Toby McGuire like connecting in 1:13:52.560 --> 1:13:55.880 the ads. But then Michael Caine looks crazy on top 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:56.120 of them. 1:13:56.160 --> 1:13:58.120 I cannot buy that at all, because I find Toby 1:13:58.160 --> 1:14:01.360 McGuire to be so unattractive. I guess he was part 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:03.559 of the Pussy Posse. You're fine, I know, oh, I know. 1:14:04.120 --> 1:14:07.160 Trust plenty of people in the Pussy Posse were not 1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:10.360 good looking in my opinion. But anyway, he so he 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:12.519 asks for Shannon. He says he runs a home for 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:16.080 wayward girls. He tells the mother that he saw Shann 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:18.680 in the night she disappeared and gave her drugs to 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:23.400 calm her down. Okay, And she says to him, how 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:25.639 did you get my number? And he says, Shannon gave 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:27.360 it to me, And the mom is like, yeah, Shannon 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:29.200 would never give my number to some man, Like, what 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:31.960 the fuck is going on? So the mom knows something's up, 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:35.040 so they go to Oak Beach, the mom and the sister. 1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:39.439 They roll up, they see that doctor Peter Hackett is 1:14:39.520 --> 1:14:41.800 having a party at his house, which is the house 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:45.080 next door to Joe Brewer's. This doctor lives next door 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:47.000 to the house where she went to go do the job. 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:50.240 They go up onto his like balcony or i'm sorry, 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:53.080 his like rooftop patio or whatever to talk to him. 1:14:53.200 --> 1:14:55.280 He denies ever making any of these phone calls. He's like, 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:57.160 I don't know what you guys are talking about. Do 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:59.880 not get it. And then so she goes to the police. 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:02.479 If they ask hack it, he totally denies it. And 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.240 he looks like a full creep. This man, like he 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:09.479 has crazy eyes, fucked up teeth, and I was only 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:11.719 thinking when I saw his teeth, was your barbecue canceled? 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:17.160 Because yogrill is fucked jijub. So anyway, this man somehow 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:19.280 gets dismissed as a suspect. We'll get a little bit 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:22.799 more into him later, but it's just like this wild 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:26.160 call and then he completely denies it. So seven months 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:29.519 later we've not found Shannon. Okay, But then there's a 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:34.280 break officer, John Malia, who has been training a cadaver dog, 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:39.120 a German Shepherd named Blue Cute. I guess when they 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.960 train cadaver dogs they train them on open cases. So 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.599 this guy spent the whole summer like looking for Shannon, 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:47.840 walking with his cadaver dog in different parts of the city, like, 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:50.280 you know, giving pieces of her clothing, probably for the 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:53.760 dog to smell or whatever. On December eleventh, twenty ten, 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:56.760 they he decided to go for another search, and they 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:59.840 stuck close to a roadway because he had FBI data 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:02.479 that bodies are offen dump near roadways. And even though 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:04.920 it was like a super heavily wooded area and there's 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:08.439 light snow on the ground, Blue leads Malia to a 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:12.040 skeleton in a burlap bag. So they all think we 1:16:12.120 --> 1:16:15.519 found Shannon, okay, But then they do an autopsy and 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:18.280 remember that plate in her jaw from her asshole boyfriend, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:21.680 It wasn't there, so this is not Shannon. What it 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:25.120 was is the body of Melissa Bartholemy And then the 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:28.840 police find three more bodies over the course of the 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:31.479 next three days. All of them are sex workers in 1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:34.880 their twenties. None of them are Shannon. So in addition 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:39.240 to Melissa, they find Maureen Brainerd, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello. 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:42.000 And they were ended up being called the Gilgo four 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:45.320 or the Gilgo Beach four, and they were found around 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:47.639 five hundred feet apart from each other near Gilgo Beach, 1:16:47.720 --> 1:16:50.760 all wrapped in burlap bags, like all very kind of 1:16:51.400 --> 1:16:54.160 you know, meticulous serial killer type shit where they're all 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:56.720 disposed of in the same way. So a guy that 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.000 they're talking to the whole time in this People Discovery 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:02.800 Investigates whatever it's called, is police commissioner. He's Suffolk County 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:07.040 Police Commissioner Richard Dormer, and we see a press conference 1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:10.240 with him that really reminds me also of the press 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:12.720 conference that Harry Connick Junior doesn't Hunting Ground. As you've 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.800 already mentioned, this episode mirrors this a little bit too. 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:19.320 And police he says he won't commit to saying it's 1:17:19.320 --> 1:17:21.800 a serial killer, but does say we are looking at that, 1:17:22.200 --> 1:17:24.759 and then the media goes fucking nuts. And I remember, 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:27.000 like New York at this time, everyone was like Long 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:29.040 Island Killer, Long Islon killer, and I was like, they're 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:32.519 gonna find him soon, like killers don't go free anymore, 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:34.559 and like here we are eleven years later, they have 1:17:34.600 --> 1:17:39.280 not fucking found this guy. So these four victims all 1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:43.559 have kind of similar stories. Melissa Bartholemy was a similar 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:45.320 story to Shannon. She went to New York City with 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:47.719 dreams of becoming a hairstylist and then turned to escort 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.840 work to support herself. Oh, I forgot to mention that 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:54.080 they were all found their full bodies, full skeletons, and 1:17:54.120 --> 1:17:56.000 they had all been killed by strangulation, and they had 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:59.800 all been working off Craigslist. So Melissa Bartholemy had called 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:02.040 her boyfriend the night she disappeared, and she was like, 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:04.200 I have one thousand dollars job on Long Island and 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:06.639 her boyfriend was going to drive her, but she refused, 1:18:06.680 --> 1:18:09.240 and she was being all secretive and this was one 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:11.760 of the only times, No, this was the only time 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:15.040 she ever went on a job without a driver. I wonder, 1:18:15.080 --> 1:18:19.880 why well we get to it. Oh, okay, Maureen, No, No, 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:22.080 it's a good, it's a good. I was wondering too. 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:25.480 So then Maureen Barnes, the other victim, is from Connecticut, 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:27.760 and she was also on a job without a driver. 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.120 She was living in Connecticut, but was in New York 1:18:30.120 --> 1:18:32.639 the night that she disappeared. She'd had, I guess, been 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:34.960 robbed earlier, and so she stayed in New York to 1:18:34.960 --> 1:18:36.960 make some extra money because she had like lost all 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:40.880 this money getting robbed. So then there's Megan Waterman, who 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:43.040 was on Long Island when she disappeared. She had come 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.559 all the way down from Portland, Maine to work. It 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:47.960 was one thirty am. She took a job. She left 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:50.479 the holiday in that she was staying at, left without 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:53.200 her ID, left without her phone, and she was known 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:55.880 to never go anywhere without her phone. And then the 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:58.720 last victim that they found there was Amber Costello. She 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:01.280 also left all her person belongings and a client had 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:03.519 offered her fifteen hundred dollars. So now we get a 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:06.000 little bit more clarity here because her male roommate was 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.080 with her Amber and was like, let me drive you, 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:10.519 and he's like take a phone, and she's like, no, 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:13.439 the guy doesn't want that. So this guy lured them 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:16.960 in said come alone, don't bring a phone, and I'm 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:18.439 going to give you a ton of money, like you're 1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:20.639 going to get between one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:24.440 or whatever. So all these girls went out without drivers. 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:26.800 They're all pros, but so like this is what they 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:28.880 were saying. All these women are professional, they know how 1:19:28.880 --> 1:19:31.400 to take care of themselves, but they all somehow trusted 1:19:31.439 --> 1:19:34.000 this guy. There was something about him that made them 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:37.639 trust him, made them leave their phones. And so they 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:40.759 interview in this special that I watched, doctor Mary O'Toole, 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:43.760 and I love it when there's like an old female 1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:46.640 FBI agent profiler, And that's exactly what this woman is. 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:49.200 She's a retired FBI agent and profile and she talks 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:51.320 to like this guy has the verbal skills to draw 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:53.679 these women in and he's almost grooming them in a way, 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:56.200 like he knows what he's going to do to them, 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.240 but he enjoys the hunt and he's a predator, and 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:01.799 I felt like this is very yates. So these girls 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:06.240 all disappeared May through September in the summer, so they're like, oh, 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:08.120 is this a fisherman? Is this someone who comes to 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:10.679 Long Island only seasonally or does he go somewhere else 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:12.880 to kill the rest of the year, Like where does 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:15.040 this guy go? So this is what makes me think 1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:17.479 that there's something really fucked up with this community in 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:20.160 Oak Beach because they start interviewing local people and there's 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:22.719 a couple interviews like in this special that I was watching, 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:24.680 and the people are all just like, oh, this is 1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:27.800 so annoying, Like leave us alone, stop talking about this. 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:30.800 We're just sick of hearing about it. Like true psychos, no, 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:33.280 not a set like not a drop of empathy for 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:36.120 these victims, Like four women found this other woman missing, 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:41.000 and there's more rumors coming up about this, Uh this 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:44.679 small wouldn't you be nervous in your community if women 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:46.599 were gone missing? Like, I don't know why you wouldn't 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:49.280 want to find this killer? You could be next? Yeah, 1:20:49.360 --> 1:20:52.240 do you not have a Well? I think the thing 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:54.519 is they don't think they could be next because they're like, 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:56.800 who cares? This guy's just killing sex workers, you know. 1:20:57.520 --> 1:21:00.839 And so there's all these rumors of the drug fueled 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:03.120 sex parties that go on with these people that live 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:06.400 out in this community, and that there's a theory that 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:09.479 maybe Joe Brewer had brought Shannon out not just for himself, 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:12.880 but for like a party for many people, and that 1:21:13.120 --> 1:21:15.559 there's all these also rumors and theories that the police 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:17.559 are in on it so they're not trying to solve it, 1:21:17.600 --> 1:21:19.800 and that there's like cover ups and this and that. 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:22.080 But we get into some of that later. So it's 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:25.240 December of twenty ten when Blue finds these four bodies, 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:28.160 and so the police decide to postpone the search for 1:21:28.240 --> 1:21:30.360 more bodies until the spring because I guess it's like, 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:33.000 you know, harsh winters out there, and they're not going 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:35.280 to be able to find as much, especially with the dogs. 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:37.640 Of everything's like cold. Although use blue he seems like 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:40.439 he can sniff right through the snow. So in April 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:43.000 of twenty eleven, they go out with the park Police, 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:46.040 the State Police Fire Department. It's like all hands on deck, 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:48.840 and they find the remains of four more bodies. But 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:52.759 these bodies are not wrapped in burl up. They're dismembered, okay, 1:21:53.120 --> 1:21:55.720 And at first only one of these bodies is identified, 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:58.479 and it's identified as Jessica Taylor. She was also an 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:01.759 eskert working on the internet. Disappeared a few years earlier 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:04.880 than these other girls that were found. And here's where 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:08.839 the story is like so crazy. Her hands and skull 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:12.439 and forearm were found there at Gilgo Beach. Her torso 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:16.200 was found in Manorville, forty five minutes away in two 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:20.599 thousand and three. So whoever killed her abandoned her torso 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.519 in Manerville in twenty two thousand and three and then 1:22:23.880 --> 1:22:26.360 got other parts of her body out there at some 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:29.639 point in the late two thousands early twenty eight tens. 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:32.759 So the shit is like so fucking nuts. There's another 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:35.519 victim of these new four that they find, who they 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:38.519 call only Jane do Number six, who was later who 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.519 actually I think only a year or so ago, was 1:22:40.560 --> 1:22:43.920 identified as Valerie mack or also went by Melissa Taylor, 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:48.360 and parts of her remains were discovered also at Gilgo 1:22:48.439 --> 1:22:51.479 Beach and in Manorville, so there's some kind of connection 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:53.760 to Manerville. These two girls, their bodies were disposed of 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:57.240 in a very similar way, and so now everyone wants 1:22:57.240 --> 1:22:59.280 to know where Shannon is. Of course, we're still looking 1:22:59.280 --> 1:23:02.320 for Shannon, and there's four hundred acres of swamp to 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:05.719 go through here, So Nasau County and the state police 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:08.799 join in to help Suffolk County. They and they found 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:11.280 two more bodies. Okay, they've had they had this like 1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:14.840 machine that could like be on top of the marshland 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:18.040 and like could they would just do lines through the 1:23:18.040 --> 1:23:22.599 marshland like looking for these bodies. It's wild. So one 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:25.240 of these victims is an Asian person who the police 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:27.479 have identified as a John Doe and as male, but 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:31.080 the person was wearing women's clothing and it's later believed 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:33.439 that they may have identified as female or possibly be 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:37.280 trans so this victim had been beaten to death, so 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.880 completely different, em O, Like this is the other the 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:44.080 girls in the burlap bags had all been strangled, strangled, 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:46.479 and now this victim's been beaten to death. And then 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:49.720 so fucking sad. Another victim that they find amongst these 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:53.559 last six victims is a toddler. And how do we 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:57.000 know it's the same killer. Well, that's what we're gonna 1:23:57.000 --> 1:24:02.000 get to Yeah, we're gonna get to it. So fuck. 1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:04.679 It's like just really sad that there's a toddler that's 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:06.920 been found because that just like the mo is all 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:09.360 over the place. Now like now it's not just sex 1:24:09.400 --> 1:24:11.080 workers or I mean, oh that's not true. Actually the 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:12.840 Asian person could be a sex worker, but now it's 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:17.559 a child. And the child is connected to as the 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:20.960 daughter of another victim named Jane Doe number three. Jane 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:23.960 Doe number three, who is also referred to as Peaches 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:26.880 because she had a peach tattoo. Her remains were found 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:30.320 near Jones Beach State Park, and her torso had been 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:33.519 found in Hempstead Lake State Park in a green rubber 1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:37.360 maid container fourteen years earlier, in June of nineteen ninety seven. 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:40.559 So this is another person whose body parts are found 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:45.479 separately and after almost a decade, and this woman's daughter, 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:48.639 the little toddler, was found ten miles east of her mother. 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:54.120 So this person's like, you know, dropping bodies in different places. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:58.040 The what's the rationale, what's the reasoning? And they were 1:24:58.080 --> 1:25:01.439 both found with similar gold jewelry on and according to 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:04.240 you know, experts, obviously this killer wanted no witness and 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:06.400 he didn't care that there was a toddler involved at all. 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:09.240 He just like killed a toddler. And so the last 1:25:09.360 --> 1:25:11.600 victim they found are the skull and teeth of an 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:15.599 unidentified female named Jane do number seven, and her remains 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:18.439 are connected to a pair of legs that were found 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:24.599 on Fire Island in nineteen ninety six. So it's possible 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:27.200 that this guy has been killing for over a decade. 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:29.240 But yes, as you pointed out, it is very weird 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:31.559 that the pattern has changed and the mo is different. 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:33.880 But this is what happens with Yates. He's like from 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:36.800 first he's he's burning, then he's burying, Like there's all 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:40.240 different mos. People are talking about like is this a 1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:42.479 killer who switched it up? Or is it two serial 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:45.400 killers dumping bodies in the same place, like it could 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:47.400 be that there's just the Gilgo Beach killer who killed 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:49.080 the girls in the burlap bags, and then there's this 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:52.639 other guy who dismembers his victims and worked in the nineties, 1:25:53.040 --> 1:25:56.599 And they suggested this special and they do. Honestly, it's 1:25:56.640 --> 1:25:59.920 worth watching just to see this ridiculous reenactment. They sing, 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:03.040 just that maybe a serial killer who, like the dismembering 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:06.080 serial killer, got jealous when he saw all the Long 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:10.920 Island serial killer press and decided to go dump the 1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:14.679 body parts in the same area sometime in that winter, 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:19.120 I guess of when they weren't looking. And they show 1:26:19.280 --> 1:26:22.360 in the reenactment a serial killer sitting in a lazy 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:26.160 boy just like shouting at the television and getting so mad, 1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:28.639 like I'm the most to be the serial killer around here, 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:31.240 and it's so ridiculous. And then they literally show a 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:33.840 reenactment of a guy like carrying a bag of body 1:26:33.840 --> 1:26:36.360 parts out to the area and just scattering them around. 1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:38.920 So me, can't they tell with the decomp or like 1:26:38.960 --> 1:26:43.120 how long or like environmental damage to the parts if 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:45.640 it was dumped when they were dumped or is that 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:47.520 a Melinda Warner fantasy. 1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:49.600 I think that might be a Milinda Warner fantasy, just 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:52.439 because like everything's decomp like this is just bones. They're 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:55.120 fighting at this point of these of these people, so. 1:26:57.280 --> 1:27:01.519 You know, well and I guess Rudnick and we're murdering friends, 1:27:01.520 --> 1:27:04.760 like this could be just like some bros doing it together. 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:08.679 Too completely completely. I mean it's also what's crazy though, 1:27:08.760 --> 1:27:12.439 is it is just like a really really vast area, 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:15.000 and so you could be dumping bodies anywhere, and you're 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:18.639 dumping them sort of in the same place. And then 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:22.720 in two thousand and six, which is earlier than they 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:27.960 found the Gilgo Beach Girls, four victims in Atlantic City 1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:31.599 were found the victims of the Eastbound Strangler. They called 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:35.720 him all sex workers, all strangled, All bodies were methodically 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:38.000 placed facing the east. That's why he was called the 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:41.880 Eastbound Strangler. And these victims were found seven months before 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:45.400 the Gilgo Beach Girls first disappeared. So it's possible this 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:47.679 guy started in Atlantic City, moved up to Long Island. 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:50.160 There's only a few hours away. There's a lot of 1:27:50.600 --> 1:27:53.040 like trying to connect. There's also a few cases from 1:27:53.040 --> 1:27:55.720 like the eighties and nineties where people think it could 1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:58.360 be connected to Long Island killer, but there's really just 1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:01.720 no no one knows. So now the count is up 1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:04.760 to ten bodies and we still don't have Shannon. So 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:07.840 now a year after Shannon has disappeared, we're back to 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:10.439 like May of the fine of the next year. The 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:13.479 police finally searched Joe Brewer's house, so at least he 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:15.400 didn't have a full calendar year to get rid of 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:19.839 any evidence. He probably had they search everything. Joe Brewer 1:28:19.880 --> 1:28:22.880 is apparently very open and honest with the police, allegedly, 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:27.400 and Joe Brewer and Michael Pack were both polygraphed and 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:29.439 they're both cleared, And I'm like, I just need more 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:31.639 information about what happened in the house, Like what does 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:34.960 he say happened, Like you know what went down, but 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:37.479 I don't know why that's like not made public anywhere. 1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:42.280 So here's a weird detail about Melissa bartholemy one of 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:46.400 the Gilgo Beach four. Eight days after her disappearance, her 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:49.479 sister Amanda gets a call on her cell phone from 1:28:49.560 --> 1:28:52.599 Melissa's number, and it's a man and he asks her, 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:55.519 are you a whore like your sister? And he asks her, 1:28:55.520 --> 1:28:58.479 are you planning to become a prostitute. He called the 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:02.120 sister six times, this guy, but he never stayed on 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:05.120 for more than ninety seconds, and in the last call, 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:08.000 he told her that he killed her sister and he 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:11.160 wanted to terrorize her. And they actually thought that he 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:13.160 might come after the little sister because it seemed like 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:15.519 the whole point of the calls was just to be 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:19.840 terrorize the sister and make her feel like so much fear. 1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:23.800 So another thing happened where Maureen Barnes, another one of 1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:27.160 the Gilgo Beach victims, the girl from Connecticut, her best 1:29:27.160 --> 1:29:29.719 friend Sarah, got a weird call from a blocked number 1:29:30.040 --> 1:29:33.400 and this guy said he knows where Maureen is. She's 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:36.600 at a whorehouse in Queens. So experts think because he 1:29:36.680 --> 1:29:39.000 used the word whore in both calls, it's likely this 1:29:39.120 --> 1:29:42.760 is the same guy. I mean, definitely is. So whoever's 1:29:42.880 --> 1:29:46.439 calling these people, that's at least the Gilgo Beach killer. 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:50.600 So Shannon's family also thinks they've been trolled by the 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:53.080 killer and they think it's Hackett, like the mom really 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:57.120 thinks it's Hackett. A year later, police confirmed through phone 1:29:57.160 --> 1:29:59.720 records that this freak did call her, and when they 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:02.719 went to confront him about it. He's like, oopsie doodles, 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:04.479 I guess I did call her, but I only called 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:07.559 her to comfort the mom. And it's like, why would 1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:10.240 you do that. You don't know her, you're inserting yourself 1:30:10.280 --> 1:30:13.360 into a case and you're fucking with an investigation. But 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:15.639 the cops clear this guy. And it's so wild because 1:30:15.680 --> 1:30:19.280 there's like footage in this investigation Discovery People magazine thing. 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:22.880 I'm sorry, I can't say shorter. There's footage of like 1:30:23.040 --> 1:30:24.840 media going to talk to him as he's goun to 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:26.600 get in his car, and they're like, did you have 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:29.160 anything to do with these with Shannon's disappearance? And he 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:32.360 goes oh, and he gets down on the ground, almost 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.679 like he's faking a heart attack, and he goes, oh, 1:30:34.720 --> 1:30:38.240 my defibrillator, and he goes you sons of bitches, and 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:42.320 he's like fully faking a fucking like people are all 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:44.280 around him and he's acting like he just saw them 1:30:44.280 --> 1:30:45.800 and he gets down on the ground with this fake 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.680 heart attack and then somebody off camera goes call the 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:50.519 ambulance right now, and he goes no, no, no, no, no, 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:52.640 like he knows he's faking. He's like, don't call the 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:55.840 don't don't call the ambulance. So this guy is at 1:30:56.040 --> 1:31:00.160 best a fucking sketch ball who tries to insert him 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:02.800 self into investigations, who tries to like become part of 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:07.840 exciting things. Why would the cops clear him? Dude? The 1:31:07.920 --> 1:31:10.280 cops don't think he's the guy, Okay, and he has 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.920 he's just calling the victims' families and he has since 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.040 there's more, he has since moved to Florida, so he 1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:19.559 doesn't live, of course where all the best people go. 1:31:19.960 --> 1:31:24.559 So he he has you know, he's somehow he's cleared. 1:31:25.000 --> 1:31:28.320 But a year and a half after Shannon's disappearance, investigators 1:31:28.320 --> 1:31:31.120 decide to do one last search for Shannon based on 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:34.719 some aerial photography they got of this Marshy area. Okay, 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:39.479 finally they find a purse, they find a shoe, they 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:42.640 find a pair of jeans. Then they eventually find a 1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:46.519 woman's body, face up naked, and they confirm with the 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:49.719 plate in her teeth that it is Shannon. And guess 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:53.960 where that Marshy area is? Directly next to the house 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:59.840 of doctor Peter Hackett. Fucking done, done all the way 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:03.760 like so crazy. This girl was found three quarters of 1:32:03.760 --> 1:32:07.160 a mile from where she disappeared. She was found behind 1:32:07.200 --> 1:32:10.000 the house of a fucking do you think her body 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:14.840 was always there? Or they do think that? So what 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:19.559 the fuck? So, Dormer, this is what the police think. 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:22.479 This is what the police think. Okay, Dormer, this Suffolk 1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:26.439 County Police commissioner. He thinks she ran out of Brewer's house. 1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:30.760 She's super scared. She runs into the Marshy area and 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:35.680 that the elements overtook her, took her pants off. Okay, exactly, 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:39.120 the elements took her pants off. So like she is 1:32:40.080 --> 1:32:43.120 running through marsh and eventually falls and like the water's 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.920 not even deep enough. It's really wild theory. Okay. The 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:48.920 family does not believe this shit, so they go hire 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:53.479 the ultimate expert. Who else but doctor Michael Badden Okay, 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:56.479 and they have him do an autopsy on the remains. 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:59.080 We know everyone knows this is a Michael doctor Michael 1:32:59.080 --> 1:33:00.560 Baddens stand podcast. 1:33:00.800 --> 1:33:03.120 And did you know that the term stan came from 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:06.400 an Eminem song? Yes, Okay, well I learned that yesterday. 1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:09.240 I knew it only because when I worked at MTV 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:13.400 we constantly talked about stands. And when I worked at MTV, 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:15.599 like we'd be like, oh, the Beyonce stands this and that. 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:17.679 So I knew it. I've known it since like twenty 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:19.920 eleven when I worked at MTV. But yeah, I would 1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:21.760 say a lot of people don't know that, and now 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:24.679 now you know I was the only one. But no, 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:27.320 now you know, now you know? So Lisa, you're gonna 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:30.519 hate this on this on this Discovery, I d thing 1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:33.519 that I'm watching Michael Badden's lower third where they like 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:37.839 identify him, says Michael Badden, contributor to Fox News Channel, 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:43.400 What how dare you like? He is a full renowned 1:33:43.640 --> 1:33:46.680 doctor and autopsy specialist. Like, I don't know what the 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:48.960 fuck is going on here? You're the dead? How sary 1:33:49.080 --> 1:33:53.639 speaks for the dead. And he's not done. Okay, So 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:56.880 he said he does his own investigation of the body. 1:33:56.920 --> 1:33:59.720 He does his own autopsy, and he says there's no 1:34:00.000 --> 1:34:02.880 evidence that there was enough water that she could have drowned. Also, 1:34:03.000 --> 1:34:05.519 her body was found face up, that's not common for 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:10.320 drowning victims. And he found what he called some evidence 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:13.799 of homicidal strangulation. He says it can't be ruled out. Okay. 1:34:14.040 --> 1:34:17.160 He found damage to her hyoid bone, which is a 1:34:17.160 --> 1:34:19.360 bone in your throat that is consistent with like the 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:23.560 strangulation cause of death. So her death is still officially 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:28.200 listed by police as an accident or misadventure. Yeah, misadventure, 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:32.240 which is like a wild term. And so there's a 1:34:32.280 --> 1:34:34.599 reporter in this special who I really like this guy, 1:34:34.680 --> 1:34:38.439 and he's like, So she ran away from the only 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:41.160 guy she knew, Michael Pack. She ran away from a 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:43.439 second old man who tried to help her. She went 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:45.840 into some marsh that looks like really hard to even 1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:49.240 get entry to, took off all her clothes and belongings, 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:51.240 and fought through the march three quarters of a mile 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:53.200 before giving up and drowning in shallow water. 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:54.720 Yeah. 1:34:54.760 --> 1:34:56.920 I don't think so, Like this just does not track, 1:34:57.040 --> 1:35:00.479 Like no one buys this, okay. And then Shannon's family 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:03.200 brought a lawsuit to force the people of Oak Beach 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:06.680 to talk, and she thinks, like she's at press conferences 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:09.360 going I think Peter Hackett is involved in this absolutely 1:35:09.439 --> 1:35:13.720 for sure. Okay. I found a funny little extra thing 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:18.120 that in twenty twelve, Shannon's family Facebook page actually posted 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:21.240 about the SVU episode Hunting Ground. So they thought that 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:25.080 that this episode was based on Shannon's case, although I 1:35:25.120 --> 1:35:28.000 think that the hunting of the victims and everything, it's 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:29.760 more based on the case that we covered, which was 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:33.280 the Baker Butcher of Alaska. But we Lisa and I 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:35.400 both have already said that we felt like the hunting 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:37.639 ground vibes were there with some of the Long Island 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:42.799 Killer stuff. In another wild twist in this story, sadly, 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:46.640 Shannon's mother, who fought so tirelessly to find out what 1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:50.520 happened to her, was murdered by her other daughter, Sarah 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:54.439 in twenty sixteen, who suffered from schizophrenia and stabbed her 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:58.360 mother to death during a like a break And she's 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:00.920 serving twenty five to life and recently lost an appeal, 1:36:00.960 --> 1:36:03.840 and I don't really understand, like, if she's mentally mentally ill, 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:05.760 why she's not in a mental health facility. But the 1:36:05.760 --> 1:36:07.160 system as fucked, so I don't even know why I 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:11.040 ask questions anymore. So there are a bunch of theories 1:36:11.040 --> 1:36:14.479 about the killer, the Long Island Killer, and one theory 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.439 is that Shannon was trying to get into more wealthy, 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:20.120 upscale clientele and that one of her clients was this 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:23.080 guy named Jim Bissett, and he was this really really 1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:25.599 wealthy guy. He had this like huge estate on Long 1:36:25.640 --> 1:36:28.880 Island and his father owned a nursery which was like 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:33.160 a huge supplier of burlap bags. I don't really think 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:37.200 that it's like you have to be connected to get 1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:40.800 your hands on burlap bags. But what's sketchy as hell 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:43.960 is that the day after Shannon's body was found, this 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:46.880 man took his own life, just got in his car 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:50.360 and shot himself. And this was a family man, he 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:54.439 was rich. There was no evidence to any you know, 1:36:55.080 --> 1:36:57.719 him being unhappy in any way. Of course, of course 1:36:57.760 --> 1:36:59.880 things are hidden all the time and people take their lives, 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:04.320 but this guy was I don't know, this sounds sketchy 1:37:04.320 --> 1:37:06.800 to me that this just the timing is sketchy. But 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:09.639 people were also saying this guy Besset was very public 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:11.640 like everyone who he was. He was very rich, Like 1:37:11.640 --> 1:37:14.320 there's no way he was dextering about like killing people, 1:37:14.439 --> 1:37:16.840 Like there's just people would have noticed like where he was. 1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:19.519 And they said, more likely the guy who did this 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:22.439 is like a solitary guy who was on his own. So, 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:28.360 you know, Melissa's mom and other people in this like 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:31.000 special that I watched are like ultimately the cops really 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:33.640 fucked up. The police did not pull the FBI in, 1:37:33.840 --> 1:37:37.920 They did not profile the killer. One homicide detective talks 1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:39.919 about the nine one one call and says that Shannon's 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:42.040 totally calm for all twenty three minutes of the nine 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:44.599 to one one call. And she's not like I wouldn't 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:46.679 even say totally calm, like I did say. She seemed 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:49.519 a little on, like a little flat, but she's not calm. 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:53.400 She's definitely like something's happening, helped me, Like, you know, 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:57.080 she's not. It's just a wild thing for a detective 1:37:57.120 --> 1:37:58.880 to say, to make it sound like, why are you 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:01.240 on the phone for twenty three minutes totally calm about 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:03.840 being saying people are after you and help me please, 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:08.040 And according to the medical examiner, it was totally opposite. 1:38:08.040 --> 1:38:09.760 Shannon is freaking out on the call, you know. And 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:11.520 then I listened to the car. Why didn't the cops. 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:13.320 Never show up? Why didn't they ever show up? And 1:38:13.320 --> 1:38:14.320 then nine one one call? 1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:19.320 They could they It's really wild, like they couldn't track 1:38:19.360 --> 1:38:21.120 her or something like that. Remember I told you it 1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:24.479 like went to a different jurisdiction, Like she asked on 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:26.519 the phone, can you track where I am? And the 1:38:26.560 --> 1:38:28.920 woman goes, I can't, and then they tried to like 1:38:28.960 --> 1:38:30.920 move her because it was like, maybe it's because Oak 1:38:30.960 --> 1:38:33.720 Beach is like this, like private community. I don't know 1:38:33.720 --> 1:38:35.599 what the nine to one one situation is out there. 1:38:36.040 --> 1:38:38.640 But the cop did eventually come out to respond to 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:41.040 the two calls from the neighbors, but had no idea 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:44.200 that this girl had called the cops begging for help. 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:46.880 He just heard, Oh, there's a crazy girl wandering the streets, 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:49.559 knocking on doors and screaming. So when he got there, 1:38:49.680 --> 1:38:52.439 didn't see that girl. He just left and I guess 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:55.080 they the line went dead and they had no way 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:56.720 to get in touch with the girl who left them 1:38:56.720 --> 1:39:01.000 a twenty three minute call. So another person who became 1:39:01.360 --> 1:39:04.439 a person of interest, and this feels a little bit 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:06.800 tvsh to me, but is still fucked up and should 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.680 be discussed is James Burke, who at the time was 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:12.720 the Suffolk County Police Chief and he's faced a ton 1:39:12.760 --> 1:39:16.439 of corruption charges. He's the one that kept the FBI out, 1:39:16.840 --> 1:39:19.040 and people think that he was involved somehow, like even 1:39:19.040 --> 1:39:20.360 if he's not the one who did it, he knows 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:22.200 who did it and he was covering for someone like 1:39:22.240 --> 1:39:25.519 a friend. People say he was running a prostitution ring 1:39:25.520 --> 1:39:27.639 out of his own house and he was doing that 1:39:27.680 --> 1:39:29.640 the entire time. He rose through the ranks of the 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:33.960 police system in his town or his county. Excuse me, 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:38.719 so a drug addict I think broke into his police 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:40.559 car and stole a duffel bag of his and it 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:43.280 had all these sex toys and like wild shit in it, 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:45.880 and that when he brought the guy in. When they 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:47.720 found the guy in the bag, the guy said something 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:50.719 to him like, oh, you're a pervert, and this police 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:53.599 chief beat the fuck out of the sky, like beat 1:39:53.720 --> 1:39:56.479 him up, like bloody. And then he was convicted of 1:39:56.520 --> 1:40:01.200 that and went to prison. So that's that's a sketchy 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:04.120 thing that this guy was really adamant about keeping the 1:40:04.160 --> 1:40:06.639 FBI out blah blah blah. And now we're eleven years 1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:08.559 later and we have no fucking leads on this case, 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:11.600 and the FBI wasn't allowed in from the jump. I 1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:14.000 think now they have been now they're involved because there's 1:40:14.040 --> 1:40:15.920 a new There was like a new police chief after 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:17.839 this guy, and I saw him do a press conference 1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:20.879 where he was like, we're the FBI has full access. 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:22.439 They can have all of our help we want to 1:40:22.439 --> 1:40:25.280 get to the bottom of this. Another suspect is a 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:29.480 guy named John Bittrolf who was a carpenter in Manerville. 1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:31.720 Remember I talked about how Manerville is where two of 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:34.559 the torsos I believe of two of the victims were found. 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:39.080 He was convicted. He was arrested in twenty fourteen of 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:42.920 the murder of two sex workers that happened in the nineties, 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:48.880 and he was convicted of murdering Rita Tangretti and Colleen McNamee. 1:40:49.320 --> 1:40:52.000 And so he's been in jail since twenty seventeen. I believe, 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:57.080 and Rita Tangretti's daughter was friends with Melissa Bartholome, one 1:40:57.080 --> 1:41:00.799 of the Gogel Beach four. So it's like a weird 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:04.200 connect that maybe this guy is the guy, but ultimately 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:10.000 that guy's in jail and there's no there's no clear 1:41:10.080 --> 1:41:13.160 answers yet. But maybe it'll be like Golden State Killer. 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:14.760 Maybe they'll find I mean, I don't know. With Golden 1:41:14.800 --> 1:41:16.559 State Killer, it was like all about DNA and they 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:20.280 figured it out. But like, maybe they'll figure out this guy. 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:22.799 It is just really weird and maybe it is two guys, 1:41:22.800 --> 1:41:25.320 like nobody knows but I knew like none of this information, 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:28.559 and I just can't couldn't believe like the phone calls 1:41:28.840 --> 1:41:33.280 trolling the victims, like you know, cops that are involved 1:41:33.280 --> 1:41:36.680 in sex rings, that she was found so close to 1:41:38.160 --> 1:41:39.240 that doctor's house. 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:45.920 Yeah, it's really like I don't get how she wasn't found. Yeah, 1:41:46.000 --> 1:41:48.080 And I don't get why they wouldn't investigate or bring 1:41:48.120 --> 1:41:50.479 in that. I just hate the police so much. 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:53.360 I think they blame it on like the marshland, Like 1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:55.679 the area where she was was like really hard to search, 1:41:55.720 --> 1:41:58.439 and they eventually got this like you know vehicle that 1:41:58.479 --> 1:42:00.240 I told you about that can like be on top 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:04.200 of the marsh or whatever. But I don't know, I'm 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:10.760 never going to Long Island. I mean it's wild. I 1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:14.120 mean it's just like it is scary that there's so 1:42:14.280 --> 1:42:16.240 I didn't I don't really think of Long Island as 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:19.479 like that, as having all this abandoned area, like so 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:21.880 much area where you could just dump bodies. Like I 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:24.040 kind of think of Long Island as like a bunch 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:27.439 of beach towns and like whatever and Jewish people and 1:42:27.479 --> 1:42:33.080 not really like that. There's miles and miles of creepy 1:42:33.280 --> 1:42:36.040 road where you can just stop and roll a body out, 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:40.040 you know. So anyway, that is the Long Island Killer, 1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:43.479 the Long Island serial Killer Lisk and I do hope 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:49.040 we find him, geez. But as usual, a tough episode 1:42:49.080 --> 1:42:51.760 of tough crime, but we've got an amazing guess that's 1:42:51.800 --> 1:43:02.879 gonna make you forget about all your troubles. Stay right there, listen. 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:06.080 If you guys have watched any popular TV from the 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:09.439 last ten years, you've seen our guests. You recognized him. 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:12.720 He's played as zombie scientists on The Walking Dead, a 1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:15.840 beauty pageant coach on Insatiable, and fuck if you follow 1:43:15.880 --> 1:43:18.000 our Instagram, you saw that we got to meet him 1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:19.280 and hang out with him in New York a few 1:43:19.320 --> 1:43:21.920 weeks ago, and so we obviously had to get him 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:24.719 on the pod immediately. You guys know him as serial 1:43:24.800 --> 1:43:30.599 killer Gregoriates. Please enjoy our conversation with the super talented 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:36.000 Dallas Roberts. Yay, welcome, thank you, thank you, thank you 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:38.360 so much. I can't believe you've agreed to do the 1:43:38.400 --> 1:43:40.519 podcast after meeting us in person. 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.080 You sell yourself way too short. 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:50.160 Well, just for our listeners, I arrive at our friends 1:43:50.160 --> 1:43:53.720 show that we've been promoting NonStop on this podcast. Oh God, 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:56.680 an hour about abortion at the Cheerleyan Theater and Lisa's like, 1:43:57.320 --> 1:43:59.679 our good friend Arden Marine is there and she goes 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:01.800 art here and she brought a guy from SVU and 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:05.439 I'm like cool, like a guy who found the body, 1:44:05.720 --> 1:44:08.320 like like whatever, like a guy who played a car 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:10.800 parking attendant. I could care less. I mean not, I 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:12.920 could care less. I was like neat, she just buried 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:15.240 the lead. And then we get to this We get 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:18.360 to the row and it's you, and I'm like, ah, 1:44:19.360 --> 1:44:24.040 I just screamed in your faces like our podcast. I'm 1:44:24.080 --> 1:44:26.479 really excited that you decided to do it after all. 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:29.519 Yeah, you know, who knew going to the theater could 1:44:29.520 --> 1:44:33.040 bring such fun. 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:36.120 In terms of do other SVU fans see you in 1:44:36.160 --> 1:44:37.400 the streets and get mad at you. 1:44:38.680 --> 1:44:42.920 I can always tell when it's rerunning because I'll go 1:44:43.479 --> 1:44:46.360 order a beer or go to the deli or you know, 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:49.080 I'll just be and they'll be like, oh can I 1:44:49.080 --> 1:44:55.680 help you? Oh no, no, no, I have It's uh. 1:44:57.120 --> 1:45:01.679 I think he's kept me from getting dates at times, 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:05.080 like when people sort of you know, if they google, 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:06.960 I don't. I don't have any social media, so you 1:45:07.000 --> 1:45:09.320 have to sort of google me and then that tends 1:45:09.360 --> 1:45:12.640 to be up there Gregory Yates and uh, you know, 1:45:12.800 --> 1:45:16.599 I genuinely think people have gotten spooked before. It's just acting. 1:45:17.120 --> 1:45:19.080 Yeah, but it's it's a testament to how good you are, 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:21.960 because there's plenty of creeps all over SVU every week, 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:24.719 but you are like a you're a creep to remember 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:28.880 what how did it like? We know that your character, 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:31.920 this character started on Chicago PD and then it was 1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:34.920 a crossover into SVU, So how did it like all start? 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:37.960 Did you just going it was going to be a lot? Yeah? 1:45:38.120 --> 1:45:40.640 So is that once or did you keep getting surprised? 1:45:41.320 --> 1:45:45.120 Uh? I knew that it was going to be the 1:45:45.200 --> 1:45:53.760 crossover event of the decade. But I believe the chronology 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:58.960 is right that I I get this is this is 1:45:59.040 --> 1:46:02.800 daydream believer talking about yes or yeah. I believe I 1:46:02.840 --> 1:46:06.439 get put away in this and then in the beginning 1:46:06.479 --> 1:46:09.400 of the next season of straight up Law and Order, 1:46:09.640 --> 1:46:13.280 I come back to sort of you know, uh, and 1:46:13.320 --> 1:46:15.439 then I break out of jail again. So I didn't 1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:17.360 know that that second part was going to happen, but 1:46:17.400 --> 1:46:19.080 I did know that I was going to be back 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:20.840 and forth from Chicago and New York. 1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:22.760 And so did you know you were going to be 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:23.719 friends with Rednick? 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:29.519 That was all surprises, yes, No, that was surprises later. 1:46:29.720 --> 1:46:33.080 Yes, So that's exciting. So you killed it. I mean, 1:46:33.960 --> 1:46:35.160 what we talked about. 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:40.599 A lot is your evil, horny, sweat like face that 1:46:42.479 --> 1:46:45.840 there's like a sheen of sweat cracking the neck. How 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:50.640 did you how did you decide that characterization for the 1:46:50.640 --> 1:46:51.320 creepy vibe. 1:46:51.800 --> 1:46:55.599 Yeah, it's the most fun, it really is playing bad 1:46:55.640 --> 1:46:59.559 guys because you just, first of all, you don't care 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:03.760 about anyone else, and every time they like try and 1:47:03.800 --> 1:47:06.640 make you mad, or try and make you upset, or 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:10.120 try and play on your heart strings, you just find 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:15.640 it cute, hilarious. And so then you know, like I 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:20.080 knew that he was going to have to be overcome 1:47:20.160 --> 1:47:24.599 by this sweaty, sheeny, horny face when looking at pictures 1:47:24.640 --> 1:47:27.400 of dead Nadia. So you try and put it in, 1:47:28.520 --> 1:47:31.120 layer it in, you know before, so the audience has 1:47:31.160 --> 1:47:35.360 seen that before. I don't know, Yeah, I think you 1:47:35.560 --> 1:47:40.519 just I think I probably just you know, thought about sweaty, 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:46.640 horny things, not dead things, but you know, and just 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:50.760 you just let yourself be outrageously free in front of 1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:52.639 the camera. Wow. 1:47:53.040 --> 1:47:55.599 And do you decide that on your own doing your 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:57.640 own work or is that something you talk about with 1:47:57.680 --> 1:48:01.840 the director or like or were they like, we love this, 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:05.560 We're bringing you back for more of this vibe. 1:48:06.160 --> 1:48:09.400 Yeah, I mean I knew that it was I knew 1:48:09.439 --> 1:48:11.559 that it was something I had to layer in because 1:48:11.600 --> 1:48:14.120 it was going to be such a turn for him. 1:48:14.240 --> 1:48:16.720 It's you know, he basically puts himself away from the 1:48:16.760 --> 1:48:25.120 fact that he can't control his tink. But you know, 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:29.080 you talk with the other people, the writers and the 1:48:29.120 --> 1:48:32.559 director and just make sure that that line is tracking, 1:48:32.680 --> 1:48:35.720 make sure that you know it's there. Okay, we got 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:38.040 it Okay, great, because I'm going to use that later, 1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:38.479 you know. 1:48:39.920 --> 1:48:44.240 Yeah, and in all evil fashion, you did represent yourself, which. 1:48:44.200 --> 1:48:46.200 Got to yeah, that's so fun. 1:48:46.600 --> 1:48:47.440 Yeah. 1:48:47.520 --> 1:48:50.599 I remember it was like the first day of that 1:48:50.680 --> 1:48:55.840 big courtroom scene and like everyone from both shows are there. 1:48:55.880 --> 1:48:59.280 There's like seventeen million dollars sitting in the you know, 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:03.280 the gallery, and they were like, Oh, it's going to 1:49:03.360 --> 1:49:06.040 be this, and it's going to be this, and then 1:49:06.840 --> 1:49:09.559 you know, like halfway through the day it'll be you. 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:12.800 And I was like, oh great, I can sit here 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:16.120 and memorize my lines while this other eight hours of 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:19.519 work is going on. And so they shot the first 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:22.120 one and then they were like, we're actually block shooting, 1:49:22.200 --> 1:49:24.960 so you're going to be up right after, you know, 1:49:25.200 --> 1:49:27.920 like in two hours or something. So I just had 1:49:28.000 --> 1:49:30.320 chunks and chunks and chunks and chunks. So if you 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:32.960 I watched it again this morning, if you if you 1:49:33.000 --> 1:49:35.559 watch it, sometimes you can see me take a piece 1:49:35.600 --> 1:49:40.080 of paper and like read my line off of it. 1:49:40.320 --> 1:49:44.360 Oh my god, I want to rewatch that. Yeah, that's perfect. 1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:46.800 An actor remembering his lines is a lot like a 1:49:46.840 --> 1:49:53.639 serial killer defending himself. I like that, Yeah, just learning 1:49:53.720 --> 1:49:56.400 as you go on the fly. Do you do research 1:49:56.479 --> 1:49:59.360 on killers? No? 1:49:59.439 --> 1:50:02.160 I mean, you know, they described him as a Ted 1:50:02.200 --> 1:50:05.519 Bundy type guy, and I remember, like I'm an old man, 1:50:05.640 --> 1:50:10.640 so like when Ted Bundy was executed in Florida, I 1:50:10.800 --> 1:50:13.800 was in high school and I was very against the 1:50:13.840 --> 1:50:18.760 death penalty, even for people like Ted Bundy. So I 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:22.400 sort of I was involved, you know, in a way 1:50:22.439 --> 1:50:26.559 that a sixteen year old can be involved, you know, 1:50:26.640 --> 1:50:30.960 So I sort of had that. I you know, because 1:50:31.000 --> 1:50:35.280 the killing all that stuff takes place off screen. I 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:38.760 don't really care so much about that. It's more the 1:50:39.640 --> 1:50:42.599 my job. I knew, my job is to make people 1:50:42.680 --> 1:50:45.520 creek out, so yeah, yeah. 1:50:45.560 --> 1:50:47.720 And then it's like annoying in the courtroom scene too, 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:50.559 because like you're also smart, like you're also not a 1:50:50.600 --> 1:50:53.320 bad lawyer for like it's like you did go to 1:50:53.360 --> 1:50:55.040 medical school. This character is smart. 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:58.240 So yeah, no, I was watching it again. I have 1:50:58.280 --> 1:51:01.240 to say the writing was really really let me off 1:51:01.280 --> 1:51:04.120 the hook so in so many ways, in a beautiful way. 1:51:04.200 --> 1:51:09.120 Like he's he's pushing something. I forget exactly what it was, 1:51:09.920 --> 1:51:12.400 and he steps over the line and objection and the 1:51:13.120 --> 1:51:16.040 judge goes, you know, restrict your line of questioning to 1:51:16.120 --> 1:51:19.400 the thing, and he I'm sure I didn't improvise it. 1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:22.080 I'm not that kind of actor. But he just looks 1:51:22.080 --> 1:51:25.160 over at the gallery and he goes, Okay, dope, and 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:29.160 it's just so fun and beautiful, and you know, like 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:33.479 it's it's he just he doesn't know that he's about 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:34.040 to get caught. 1:51:34.360 --> 1:51:39.599 Yeah, yeah, he's unbothered. He's not. Yeah, confidence to the max, 1:51:39.960 --> 1:51:45.400 confidence on steroids. Well, we wanted to know who do 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:53.599 you think is more evil? Yates or Rudnick Long pause. 1:51:54.479 --> 1:52:01.439 I mean what you know, like m once you're in 1:52:01.560 --> 1:52:07.679 the profession of killing people. Serially, the distance between evil 1:52:07.800 --> 1:52:12.479 is very slim. I don't know, I'll take it. I'm 1:52:12.479 --> 1:52:12.920 more evil. 1:52:16.960 --> 1:52:20.080 It is put on trophy. Yeah, let's patterns and you 1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:23.920 like helped Redneck. So I don't know, so unfairly or. 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:26.800 Fairly us And the audience goes back and forth with 1:52:26.880 --> 1:52:30.680 hating Amanda Collins aka Kelly Giddish. You work with her 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:33.080 a lot, so are there things you can tell us 1:52:33.080 --> 1:52:36.479 about your time working together that might switch the people 1:52:37.120 --> 1:52:37.680 that hate her? 1:52:38.840 --> 1:52:42.639 Well, first of all, I met Kelly Giddish I can't 1:52:42.640 --> 1:52:48.400 even tell you when somewhere late nineties, early two thousands 1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:53.599 at the O'Neill Center in Connecticut, working on theater together. 1:52:54.280 --> 1:52:58.160 So I've known her for forever. And then when it 1:52:58.280 --> 1:53:01.360 was like, oh shit, dude's on Law and Order, and 1:53:01.360 --> 1:53:04.040 then it was like, oh man, I get to play 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:08.120 with her. So we just had a ball the whole 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:13.000 time because we're kind of especially in that episode, I'm 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:16.640 kind of flirting with her. I'm kind of you know, 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:19.920 you can tell he wants to put that on his 1:53:20.520 --> 1:53:25.280 mantle piece. So that was just like a great bit 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:27.600 of fun. I love Kelly a lot, and you know, 1:53:29.080 --> 1:53:32.120 it's one of the it's a hard job. I remember, 1:53:32.240 --> 1:53:34.439 like I've done all the law and Orders over the 1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:38.320 course of the decades. And I remember I think it 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:42.800 was Mariska saying to her like, you know, I was 1:53:42.800 --> 1:53:45.680 like twenty six or something, and I was like, do 1:53:45.720 --> 1:53:51.439 you ever get bored of not emoting? Ever? Do you 1:53:51.479 --> 1:53:55.040 ever like it's a hard job you have to you know, 1:53:55.240 --> 1:53:59.800 just twenty two hours over twenty years of like, yes, 1:54:03.040 --> 1:54:04.600 I've got it, you know what I mean. There's not 1:54:04.680 --> 1:54:07.320 a lot of range that that you get to play 1:54:07.360 --> 1:54:10.400 with there. And I don't know what what your viewers 1:54:11.280 --> 1:54:14.679 listener's issue is with Kelly Giddish, but I can tell 1:54:15.120 --> 1:54:17.240 them that they are incorrect. 1:54:19.160 --> 1:54:21.879 Not not really the actress. I think it's Amanda Rollins 1:54:21.920 --> 1:54:24.479 more as a person that they have the issue with. 1:54:24.600 --> 1:54:27.400 No One everyone hears that Kelly Giddish is a lovely person. 1:54:27.640 --> 1:54:30.680 You know, you mentioned that you met Kelly Giddish so 1:54:30.720 --> 1:54:33.760 long ago through theater. You also went to Juilliard and 1:54:33.840 --> 1:54:35.160 at theater in New York for so long. Do you 1:54:35.200 --> 1:54:37.080 have tons of friends that have been on SVU and 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:39.080 all the Law and Orders? Is it like Pokemon. You 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:41.880 guys are like comparing and seeing what's up. 1:54:42.920 --> 1:54:45.680 Yeah, it's like grad school. Like Jenna Stern was my 1:54:45.800 --> 1:54:50.720 judge on this episode, Shan I dated briefly no way, 1:54:51.520 --> 1:54:54.600 you know, like Coop back in the day. Oh, here's 1:54:54.640 --> 1:54:55.920 a good here's a good Scoop. 1:54:57.200 --> 1:54:57.320 Uh. 1:54:57.640 --> 1:55:02.600 The episode is called Daydream Believer, and I was circling 1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:10.080 this phenomenal young lady named Indigo Street and she at 1:55:10.120 --> 1:55:14.800 one point was like, Uh, what are you doing today? 1:55:14.880 --> 1:55:16.880 And I said, Oh, I'm getting I'm going to a 1:55:16.920 --> 1:55:19.360 costume fitting. I've got to play a serial killer on 1:55:19.440 --> 1:55:21.920 Law and Order. And she was like, is it the 1:55:22.000 --> 1:55:25.400 Law and Order where you sing Daydream Believer? And I 1:55:25.440 --> 1:55:28.200 was like yes, and she was like, I'm singing the 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:32.320 track that you sing along to. So in the beginning 1:55:32.360 --> 1:55:35.240 of sort of is it? Is it not romance? That 1:55:35.360 --> 1:55:39.440 was very sort of like, oh, the universe is telling us. 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:42.520 That's because we talked about that. We're like. I was like, oh, 1:55:42.520 --> 1:55:44.400 by the way, this is a monkey song, but this 1:55:44.480 --> 1:55:46.680 is a cover that they're doing, and so the singer 1:55:46.760 --> 1:55:48.560 of that cover is Indigo Street. 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:53.320 Wow. Yes and yeah, and we we literally sing a 1:55:53.400 --> 1:55:57.040 duet together. It's amazing. You know, two separate places. 1:55:57.120 --> 1:56:00.880 Yeah, and you mentioned that you watched the episode this morning. 1:56:00.920 --> 1:56:03.240 Do you always watch your work or was it special. 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:07.920 For us, special for you? I stopped watching myself. I 1:56:07.960 --> 1:56:14.120 stopped watching myself. I think in twenty ten it it 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:18.200 generally makes me feel not happy. I'm a very delicate flower. 1:56:20.640 --> 1:56:24.080 But I have to say, like I was. I was 1:56:24.200 --> 1:56:26.480 pleasantly surprised this morning. I was like, oh you did 1:56:26.560 --> 1:56:30.880 all right. Like my very first movie, Sissy Spacek played 1:56:30.880 --> 1:56:34.680 my mother, and she said, never watch yourself, don't watch yourself. 1:56:35.400 --> 1:56:37.360 And I was like, uh, Sissy, I'm going to be 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:41.200 in a movie, I'll be watching myself. But she was 1:56:41.200 --> 1:56:44.360 like maybe, you know, like twenty years on, like maybe then. 1:56:44.560 --> 1:56:47.280 And I have to say, like it was. It was fine. 1:56:47.320 --> 1:56:49.360 It was I think it's been ten years or something 1:56:49.400 --> 1:56:51.840 like that since this episode. And I was like, oh, 1:56:51.960 --> 1:56:55.320 you know I used to be young. Yeah. 1:56:55.720 --> 1:56:58.120 Well, I'm like, I like, never read the comments, and 1:56:58.160 --> 1:57:00.080 I'm always like yeah, I don't read the comments, and 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:03.400 then I fully read the comments. Right, I can't stop myself. 1:57:03.480 --> 1:57:07.240 It's like horrible. Did these basic daughter has been on SVU? 1:57:07.920 --> 1:57:11.000 Oh yeah, yeah, oh nice? 1:57:11.760 --> 1:57:13.000 Yeah, but she was wild. 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:16.480 She kept killing her babies that her father was impregnating 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:16.880 her with. 1:57:17.520 --> 1:57:20.680 Yes, SPA does some weird things. I think the first 1:57:20.680 --> 1:57:23.640 time I was on I was a I was a 1:57:23.680 --> 1:57:28.560 self loathing homosexual who dealt with that by raping women. 1:57:29.240 --> 1:57:35.920 And I was like, okay, these are what Wait? 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:37.720 Did you audition for this or did they bring you 1:57:37.760 --> 1:57:41.000 back after just because they remembered you from week. 1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:45.680 I don't remember. Uh No, I don't remember whether I 1:57:45.760 --> 1:57:49.560 auditioned for it or not. It's that sounds like I'm 1:57:49.600 --> 1:57:52.920 getting offers all the time, and I have that's not true. 1:57:53.280 --> 1:57:58.120 But I remember there was a moment there where like 1:57:58.440 --> 1:58:00.600 me and Dick Wolf were friends. Like I was the 1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:03.320 bad guy on the pilot of Elementary. I was the 1:58:03.360 --> 1:58:05.400 bad guy on you know, like I was just sort 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:09.560 of constantly around. So I don't remember whether I actually 1:58:09.600 --> 1:58:13.000 read or not, but or whether they just called and said, 1:58:13.000 --> 1:58:13.560 will you do this? 1:58:14.000 --> 1:58:15.760 I don't know if I realized Elementary was a Dick 1:58:15.840 --> 1:58:16.800 Wolf part project. 1:58:17.280 --> 1:58:22.160 It's not. It's sorry, I conflated two different things in 1:58:22.240 --> 1:58:28.480 my old age. Dick Wolf's Elementary on CBS, a. 1:58:28.600 --> 1:58:30.960 Different network, different than Matt. 1:58:32.080 --> 1:58:34.360 Yeah, I think maybe that's it. Maybe it was less 1:58:34.400 --> 1:58:37.600 Dick Wolf and more like I was the TV bad 1:58:37.680 --> 1:58:39.320 guy for a hot second there. 1:58:39.960 --> 1:58:41.520 Well, that's what I was going to ask you about that, 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:45.040 because it's funny to me, like you, to me, you're 1:58:45.120 --> 1:58:47.680 this TV bad guy. But then I watched you in Insatiable, 1:58:47.760 --> 1:58:51.200 where you're this like, you know, beauty pageant coach, and 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:53.800 you're very funny in that. But then you've played a 1:58:53.880 --> 1:58:56.720 scientist in The Walking Dead, right, and then you just 1:58:57.080 --> 1:58:59.360 to me, looking at your IMDb, you you really play 1:58:59.400 --> 1:59:02.200 a lot of very roles. And when we interview people 1:59:02.240 --> 1:59:04.760 on this podcast, not all of them, but many of 1:59:04.800 --> 1:59:06.920 them are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm always the bad guy. 1:59:06.960 --> 1:59:08.800 Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm always like the dad or I'm 1:59:08.800 --> 1:59:11.400 always the mom. And like, you seem like you don't 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:14.160 get type cast as much. How do you think you 1:59:14.240 --> 1:59:17.920 accomplished that? Because I think getting type cast is so difficult. 1:59:18.840 --> 1:59:20.200 He's like by being good. 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:24.720 Honestly, I'm just I think it's because I've never hit 1:59:25.240 --> 1:59:28.640 in anything big, like as soon as you if I 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:33.320 hit Insatiable, it would not a lot of people would 1:59:33.400 --> 1:59:36.320 hire me to be the bad guy. If you know, 1:59:36.360 --> 1:59:38.320 if you hit in a comedy, they're like, he's a 1:59:38.320 --> 1:59:41.920 comedy guy. Some people manage to make it through and 1:59:42.240 --> 1:59:46.520 you know, continue to be a chameleon after really sort 1:59:46.520 --> 1:59:50.160 of bouncing off the the brain pen of you know, 1:59:50.240 --> 1:59:54.280 pop culture. I just have never had that honor or 1:59:54.480 --> 1:59:57.600 horror yet, so i'm you know, I'm allowed to sort 1:59:57.640 --> 2:00:04.000 of you know, even to day, I get I get 2:00:04.240 --> 2:00:07.320 jobs from auditions from people who have no idea who 2:00:07.320 --> 2:00:09.680 I am. I've never heard of me, so that helps too. 2:00:09.880 --> 2:00:12.400 And I think, you know, it's one of the reasons 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:17.960 that I, besides being old, that I have not gone 2:00:18.000 --> 2:00:22.080 down the social media role, is because if you don't 2:00:22.080 --> 2:00:24.480 know me, then I can be anything. You know. 2:00:24.600 --> 2:00:27.840 Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. 2:00:28.160 --> 2:00:32.320 You probably have more time on your hands too. Oh, 2:00:32.520 --> 2:00:35.440 I spent fifteen hours a day on Instagram, so you're 2:00:35.480 --> 2:00:37.440 really probably accomplishing a lot. 2:00:38.040 --> 2:00:41.480 I don't. I wish I could say that. Yeah, I 2:00:42.200 --> 2:00:43.760 do have a lot of time on my hands, just 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:46.440 it's the nature of being an actor. But I feel 2:00:46.440 --> 2:00:48.640 it like I just spent the last I don't know 2:00:48.760 --> 2:00:52.400 three weeks learning to make English muffins from scratch. 2:00:53.360 --> 2:00:59.480 Whoa, yeahs nooks and crannies, and my kid came in 2:00:59.600 --> 2:01:02.280 like for the fifth straight day after school and I'm 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:06.080 like laboring over this stove and he just looked at 2:01:06.080 --> 2:01:07.760 me and he was like English muffins again. 2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:09.600 And I was like yeah, and he goes, You're the 2:01:09.680 --> 2:01:15.080 king of side quests. That's what you can do America. 2:01:15.160 --> 2:01:17.120 If you in the world, if you put down the 2:01:17.120 --> 2:01:20.360 social media, you can get all sorts of side quests. 2:01:20.400 --> 2:01:23.520 Then amazing. How old are your kids. 2:01:23.800 --> 2:01:24.960 Seventeen and fifteen? 2:01:25.760 --> 2:01:28.960 Wow? And are they into the acting game or what? 2:01:30.000 --> 2:01:35.480 No? No, okay, yeah. Ten years ago when my eldest 2:01:35.520 --> 2:01:38.720 was like seven, it was some kind of television thing 2:01:39.400 --> 2:01:42.320 and I needed a picture of my family on my 2:01:42.440 --> 2:01:45.840 desk and they said, do does your son want to 2:01:45.880 --> 2:01:48.160 be the sun? And I was like, I don't know, 2:01:48.200 --> 2:01:52.520 I'll ask him. So I said, hey, buddy, there's this thing. 2:01:52.560 --> 2:01:56.080 They need a picture of my family and some mother 2:01:56.160 --> 2:01:58.240 and a son. Do you And they asked me if 2:01:58.240 --> 2:02:00.760 you wanted to be the sun? And he was like, well, 2:02:00.800 --> 2:02:02.280 what do I have to do? And I was like, 2:02:02.320 --> 2:02:04.480 you would come to work with me and you would 2:02:05.120 --> 2:02:07.560 like sit with the woman and pretend she was your mom. 2:02:07.640 --> 2:02:09.200 You wouldn't have to talk and they would just take 2:02:09.240 --> 2:02:15.640 pictures of you. He was like, nah, no, I just feel, 2:02:15.680 --> 2:02:17.320 you know, I like, I like to think that he 2:02:17.720 --> 2:02:20.680 sort of like sessed up my entire sort of career. 2:02:20.720 --> 2:02:23.400 At that point, was like, Nah, this doesn't seem like 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:24.720 a smart idea. 2:02:25.920 --> 2:02:26.840 Whatever this is? 2:02:27.440 --> 2:02:30.120 Yeah, I mean you keep doing that. 2:02:31.720 --> 2:02:34.040 That's so funny. Do they come to your place? 2:02:34.800 --> 2:02:37.960 They've never seen it. I was just realizing this, they've 2:02:38.000 --> 2:02:43.680 never seen a play that I've been in, because they 2:02:44.080 --> 2:02:48.760 the plays that I've been in have been not appropriate 2:02:48.800 --> 2:02:53.240 for their age. And then, uh, you know, I think 2:02:53.440 --> 2:02:58.000 they might have watched two episodes of Insatiable. I think 2:02:58.200 --> 2:03:02.840 just Dad in general is like boring, like you know, 2:03:03.560 --> 2:03:07.600 and they like all of my friends are actors and 2:03:07.640 --> 2:03:11.280 so all of like their uncles and aunts and you know, 2:03:12.200 --> 2:03:15.800 everyone's on TV. So they're all like they're just non 2:03:15.800 --> 2:03:19.400 plussed about the whole thing. You know. They were really 2:03:19.400 --> 2:03:22.320 into like Euphoria this year or whatever, and I'd be like, 2:03:22.360 --> 2:03:23.880 I got to get me a job on Euphoria and 2:03:23.920 --> 2:03:27.360 they'd be like, oh, yeah, don't don't you ever get 2:03:27.360 --> 2:03:28.360 on one of our shows. 2:03:30.560 --> 2:03:33.480 Oh my god, yeah, like a creepy teacher on Euphoria 2:03:33.640 --> 2:03:37.800 or something totally I could see it, or like a 2:03:38.160 --> 2:03:39.280 cool dad I don't know. 2:03:40.080 --> 2:03:41.920 Yeah, he doesn't have to be creepy. 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:45.680 Wait, so, speaking of different roles that you played. So 2:03:45.880 --> 2:03:49.520 I do watch Big Sky, but I am behind by 2:03:49.600 --> 2:03:51.800 like this whole last season. It's sitting on my DVR 2:03:51.880 --> 2:03:53.840 waiting for me. I have two young children and have 2:03:53.880 --> 2:03:56.280 been unable to catch it up. But what do you 2:03:56.320 --> 2:03:57.760 play on Big Sky? Are you a creep? 2:03:58.640 --> 2:03:59.480 I'm not a creep. 2:04:00.000 --> 2:04:00.600 You're a good guy. 2:04:01.520 --> 2:04:07.520 Well, oh, I mean I'm a rancher. I don't want 2:04:07.520 --> 2:04:10.600 to spoil it for you. Okay, Yeah, I'm a rancher 2:04:10.640 --> 2:04:17.160 whose son dies in a drug overdose and failing the 2:04:17.680 --> 2:04:21.560 sort of protections of that one would expect from the 2:04:21.600 --> 2:04:25.600 state and the government, he might take matters into his 2:04:25.640 --> 2:04:26.160 own hands. 2:04:26.240 --> 2:04:29.360 Magil Ante justice. Yeah, there's a lot of ranchers with 2:04:29.400 --> 2:04:33.440 a dark side on Big Sky. And yeah, yeah, I'm okay, 2:04:33.480 --> 2:04:35.920 I'm feeling it. You're I'm going to get back into it. 2:04:35.960 --> 2:04:37.800 I got it just sitting there. I mean, I'm going 2:04:37.880 --> 2:04:40.120 to watch them. I like the show a lot, but 2:04:40.160 --> 2:04:41.920 I had to know if you were going to because, like, 2:04:42.000 --> 2:04:45.360 there's a lot of trafficking and psychopaths in that show, 2:04:45.400 --> 2:04:47.680 and I was just wondering if you were jumping back 2:04:47.720 --> 2:04:48.360 into that or not. 2:04:48.680 --> 2:04:51.200 Yeah, No, I was. I think I was, you know, 2:04:51.760 --> 2:04:54.280 if you had to put a fine point on it, 2:04:54.320 --> 2:04:56.480 I was. I'm probably on the side of good on 2:04:56.520 --> 2:05:00.880 that show, even though I'm breaking also of laws and 2:05:00.960 --> 2:05:01.560 more is. 2:05:02.440 --> 2:05:05.880 Yeah yeah, yeah, but I just saw a quote today 2:05:05.920 --> 2:05:08.680 if the laws are unjust, we must break them. 2:05:09.240 --> 2:05:13.600 Hell yes, yes, glorious sign. I'm talking not just some rando. 2:05:15.200 --> 2:05:20.440 It was either my fitness influencer or I just found 2:05:20.440 --> 2:05:23.480 out one of the psychologists I follow is a cult leader, 2:05:23.800 --> 2:05:27.720 so I had done follow her, but I'm no, it's 2:05:27.760 --> 2:05:30.880 the holistic psychologists. She has like five point three million 2:05:30.960 --> 2:05:35.680 followers and is a culty bad Like, she's not a 2:05:35.720 --> 2:05:39.120 certified psychologist in any way, but she's acting like she is, 2:05:39.320 --> 2:05:43.040 and she's in whatever. Someone set me in FO. They're like, 2:05:43.240 --> 2:05:47.080 you're following a cult leader. I go, I'll follow. I'm not. Yes, 2:05:47.320 --> 2:05:51.240 I'm not attached to This is truly a time to 2:05:51.280 --> 2:05:55.760 be alive if you're a grifter. It really is the age. 2:05:57.400 --> 2:06:01.879 Like truly for my mom's friend gave her social Security 2:06:01.960 --> 2:06:03.040 number into the computer. 2:06:03.240 --> 2:06:06.000 I mean, yeah, people are being tricked. Someone in my 2:06:06.040 --> 2:06:08.560 mom group said her mother just took her mother, just 2:06:08.600 --> 2:06:11.000 took out four hundred thousand dollars, just wired it to 2:06:11.040 --> 2:06:13.280 Polish banks and no one flagged it. No one said 2:06:13.280 --> 2:06:16.280 anything about this elderly woman Chase Bank, like she just 2:06:16.280 --> 2:06:18.920 went in multiple times and was four hundred thousand dollars 2:06:19.560 --> 2:06:26.480 chaos crazy. Anyway, another back on track. We wanted to 2:06:26.600 --> 2:06:30.840 ask you about so this project that you're doing with Arden, 2:06:30.920 --> 2:06:32.480 because when we saw you in New York, that's what 2:06:32.480 --> 2:06:35.440 you're working on, this movie about three stand up comedians. Yes, 2:06:36.680 --> 2:06:38.720 so we're stand up comedians. I mean, do you have 2:06:38.840 --> 2:06:43.760 questions for us or just okay, No, I just wanted 2:06:43.800 --> 2:06:45.240 you to tell us about the movie. I'm kidding. 2:06:45.880 --> 2:06:51.720 Yeah, In the way that these things go, my presence 2:06:52.120 --> 2:06:54.840 is not enough to get financing for the movie. So 2:06:55.040 --> 2:06:59.280 I've been dropped from the movie, which is yeah, it's fine, 2:06:59.400 --> 2:07:04.080 it happened all that. Like when they call you to go, 2:07:04.160 --> 2:07:06.760 like sign a letter at intent so that we can 2:07:06.800 --> 2:07:10.040 take this to the financiers to get money, and I'm like, oh, 2:07:10.280 --> 2:07:12.120 you mean me, You want me to sign a letter 2:07:12.120 --> 2:07:15.000 of intent. I'm like, you're dead. You're dead in the water. 2:07:15.160 --> 2:07:19.200 So I don't know. I wish them the best, but 2:07:19.840 --> 2:07:20.400 I won't. 2:07:20.160 --> 2:07:21.960 Be doing it, so I didn't mean to like bring 2:07:22.000 --> 2:07:24.480 it up. If that sounds shitty, that's sucking. 2:07:24.520 --> 2:07:27.160 It's it's it is shitty. It's a shitty business. But 2:07:27.200 --> 2:07:30.400 it's not the first time, so I'm not you know, 2:07:30.600 --> 2:07:33.919 I'm I'm genuinely used to it. 2:07:33.920 --> 2:07:38.600 It's just wild because your IMDb is fucking stacked. Like 2:07:38.640 --> 2:07:41.520 I'm even just like glancing at it again. Now you've 2:07:41.520 --> 2:07:43.960 been in you're like, we see, we meet so many 2:07:43.960 --> 2:07:46.440 people that have done like one little role on one 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:49.480 hundred shows, but you like come back on everything you do, 2:07:49.560 --> 2:07:53.400 you're recurring, Like that's I think huge. 2:07:54.120 --> 2:07:56.920 Yeah. No, I've been very fortunate, so fun sucks me. 2:07:57.280 --> 2:07:59.560 I mean, not to suck them, but you know, go 2:07:59.640 --> 2:08:04.840 with guy or however you wish to say that now. 2:08:04.880 --> 2:08:08.800 I've been fortunate to you know, to be it was 2:08:08.920 --> 2:08:10.960 very important for me to be a New York actor 2:08:11.360 --> 2:08:14.160 when I was coming out of school and managing to 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:18.680 sort of cobble together you know, television and film whilst 2:08:18.760 --> 2:08:22.160 remaining in New York. I've been very fortunate in that regard. 2:08:22.280 --> 2:08:26.640 And you know, unless they shoot me dead, they usually 2:08:26.840 --> 2:08:28.280 will find a way to ask me back. 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:33.560 Yeah, Yeah, unfortunately you do die on Chicago PD. Right, 2:08:33.600 --> 2:08:35.800 they bring you back to Chicago p D and then 2:08:35.880 --> 2:08:38.720 you are killed, which I feel like I didn't even 2:08:38.760 --> 2:08:41.160 know that because I'm not a Chicago p D watcher. 2:08:41.760 --> 2:08:41.960 Yeah. 2:08:41.960 --> 2:08:43.800 I didn't even know that though until I started looking 2:08:43.880 --> 2:08:46.160 at this episode because I don't watch Chicago PD. So 2:08:46.200 --> 2:08:48.760 I think I was like, oh, what happens to eight's again? 2:08:48.800 --> 2:08:50.440 And then when you look it up, it's like, oh, 2:08:50.760 --> 2:08:54.840 full Chicago p D death at the hands of Sophia Bush, 2:08:54.880 --> 2:08:55.440 I think. 2:08:55.280 --> 2:09:00.120 Right, yeah, in a basement, if I remember correctly. 2:09:00.960 --> 2:09:03.040 Where you had just killed your own dad or something. 2:09:04.480 --> 2:09:08.360 Yes, I pushed someone off of something. It was there 2:09:08.360 --> 2:09:12.640 was a height, yeah, and then I just I just 2:09:12.720 --> 2:09:16.080 remember them putting the like the dot on my forehead 2:09:16.080 --> 2:09:21.200 where the bullet went through on the ground for a while. Yeah. Well, 2:09:21.240 --> 2:09:24.080 after I'm dead, you know, like you go like they 2:09:24.080 --> 2:09:25.760 go bang and you go like that, and then they 2:09:25.920 --> 2:09:28.920 do it with computers. But then afterwards it's practical makeup. 2:09:29.480 --> 2:09:33.040 Wow. Yeah, let me ask you this. So you had 2:09:33.080 --> 2:09:36.240 to you had to be violent with the actress that 2:09:36.320 --> 2:09:38.760 played Nadia, So how did that work out? 2:09:38.800 --> 2:09:38.960 Like? 2:09:39.080 --> 2:09:40.840 How does that work? I mean, you were like those 2:09:40.880 --> 2:09:44.480 scenes are so scary. You're like slapping her and like and. 2:09:44.360 --> 2:09:46.240 That must not be real tape? Is there a movie 2:09:46.280 --> 2:09:47.880 magic with the tape or is it real tape? 2:09:47.920 --> 2:09:52.640 On her? It's it's tape. But it's like they'll take 2:09:53.440 --> 2:09:57.960 they'll take Electricians tape and then they'll take just a 2:09:58.040 --> 2:10:00.920 tiny bit, smaller bit of Electricians tape and stick it 2:10:01.000 --> 2:10:04.160 to the back. So it's definitely it's sticking to her 2:10:04.160 --> 2:10:06.560 face there, and it's sticking to her face there, but 2:10:06.880 --> 2:10:09.000 I just have to barely peel it off and then 2:10:09.040 --> 2:10:09.680 it comes off. 2:10:10.720 --> 2:10:10.880 Yeah. 2:10:11.000 --> 2:10:15.200 Yeah. The slapping, you know, is all done with like uh, 2:10:15.880 --> 2:10:19.080 I mean people who you know, like you just you 2:10:19.160 --> 2:10:23.600 make it look like, you know, I'm never actually slapping anyone. Yeah, 2:10:24.000 --> 2:10:29.400 the camera makes it look that way. I did. There 2:10:29.480 --> 2:10:31.760 was a moment when she was in the trunk today 2:10:31.800 --> 2:10:35.400 and I'm done with her, and I like hit her 2:10:35.440 --> 2:10:39.400 with a newspaper or something. I might have actually done that, 2:10:39.680 --> 2:10:42.400 you know, like if it's something that you know, I 2:10:42.480 --> 2:10:44.560 know is not going to hurt you, because it wasn't 2:10:44.600 --> 2:10:47.080 even mean. It was just like, eh, be quiet now. 2:10:47.360 --> 2:10:49.720 Yeah yeah, yeah. 2:10:49.240 --> 2:10:51.800 I might do that. But you know, like because of 2:10:51.880 --> 2:10:56.960 some incidences in my career. I'm usually very careful about, 2:10:58.000 --> 2:11:01.880 you know, making sure that everybody's cool and safe, and 2:11:01.960 --> 2:11:05.840 I don't you know, the worst part about playing a 2:11:05.960 --> 2:11:11.560 killer is like you're you're genuinely with this other person 2:11:12.600 --> 2:11:16.400 who's a woman who's usually younger than you are, and 2:11:16.440 --> 2:11:20.400 you're just fucking with her so hard. So I try 2:11:20.440 --> 2:11:22.880 and switch it off immediately after and be like, are 2:11:22.880 --> 2:11:24.720 you all right? Is everything cool? Like do you know 2:11:24.720 --> 2:11:29.000 what I mean? And yeah, to make people feel safe. 2:11:29.080 --> 2:11:31.840 Yeah, we always ask people that too. We're like, yeah, 2:11:31.880 --> 2:11:34.000 We're like, do you guys like joke in between takes 2:11:34.120 --> 2:11:37.360 or are you like Meisner, like keeping it fully real 2:11:37.520 --> 2:11:40.200 the whole time, because I would think that on that 2:11:40.240 --> 2:11:42.520 show you really have to. People have told us that 2:11:42.560 --> 2:11:44.440 you really have to joke around in between just because 2:11:44.480 --> 2:11:46.880 in general, the subject matter is so dark on us 2:11:46.880 --> 2:11:47.480 for you you know. 2:11:48.280 --> 2:11:54.160 Yeah, that actress I forget her name, unfortunately, but she 2:11:54.360 --> 2:11:59.160 was she was less jokey because she was losing her job, 2:11:59.680 --> 2:12:02.680 you know, like at the end of the at the 2:12:02.800 --> 2:12:07.960 end of the yeah, so you know, I was. I 2:12:08.080 --> 2:12:11.520 was cognizant of that and sort of I try to 2:12:11.560 --> 2:12:13.760 be as gentle as I could with her about it, 2:12:13.760 --> 2:12:16.800 and we were talking, you know, just as actors in between, 2:12:17.520 --> 2:12:22.120 more about how crazy the business is and how you 2:12:22.120 --> 2:12:24.160 you know, you get this thing and then suddenly it 2:12:24.200 --> 2:12:25.840 goes away for you know what I mean. 2:12:26.240 --> 2:12:28.920 Yeah, like you get the series regular dream job and 2:12:28.960 --> 2:12:30.200 then it's like bye. 2:12:30.680 --> 2:12:34.600 Yeah, yeah, and yeah, somebody made that decision somewhere up 2:12:34.600 --> 2:12:36.360 the line, and it's just like what you have to do. 2:12:37.440 --> 2:12:40.760 But yeah, it just I would say, yes, when you're 2:12:40.840 --> 2:12:44.720 making something that sort of serious and dark, you tend 2:12:44.760 --> 2:12:47.160 to sort of lighten it up. But it also some 2:12:47.160 --> 2:12:50.720 some people are uh, you know, maisonery and stay in 2:12:50.760 --> 2:12:53.040 it and you know, so you just sort of have 2:12:53.080 --> 2:12:56.880 to play with who who? Who you play with? Yeah? 2:12:57.040 --> 2:12:57.880 Against that. 2:13:00.080 --> 2:13:02.920 Well, I've heard of someone was saying how it's like 2:13:02.960 --> 2:13:05.080 why is no one fully in character when it's a 2:13:05.160 --> 2:13:08.400 nice guy. It's always like when you're playing a Josh, 2:13:08.720 --> 2:13:12.760 you want to like fucking terrorize everyone, but no one's 2:13:12.800 --> 2:13:17.480 playing gandamn being like I'm gonna be Caine, right, So 2:13:17.520 --> 2:13:18.360 I don't buy it. 2:13:18.560 --> 2:13:20.280 I'm like, I don't believe any of it. 2:13:20.440 --> 2:13:22.720 No, it's it's a it's a I've never found a 2:13:22.840 --> 2:13:25.040 use for it, and I think it's because I came 2:13:25.120 --> 2:13:28.840 up in the theater where you know, you literally go 2:13:29.040 --> 2:13:34.360 like and then that's when my sister died, and like 2:13:34.520 --> 2:13:37.200 tears are falling down your face and they black out 2:13:37.320 --> 2:13:39.280 and you pick up the table with the other actor 2:13:39.360 --> 2:13:43.120 and move it off, and you know, like it's just 2:13:43.160 --> 2:13:45.960 there's no ability to stay in it like you have 2:13:46.160 --> 2:13:46.760 You're like, I'm. 2:13:46.680 --> 2:13:49.760 Actually a little bit too distraught to move set furniture 2:13:49.840 --> 2:13:50.160 right now. 2:13:50.200 --> 2:13:50.600 Totally. 2:13:50.680 --> 2:13:52.320 Yeah, yeah, I was. 2:13:52.320 --> 2:13:55.240 A big L word fan, so I just wanted to 2:13:55.320 --> 2:13:57.800 ask what was it like working with Pam Greer and 2:13:57.880 --> 2:13:59.400 being on that set. 2:13:59.200 --> 2:14:02.440 And just that was incredible. That was my first time 2:14:02.880 --> 2:14:08.040 being a series regular, and it was my I sort 2:14:08.040 --> 2:14:10.480 of learned to make TV. I mean I've done you know, 2:14:10.560 --> 2:14:13.040 like Law and Order one episode, like New York Undercover 2:14:13.120 --> 2:14:16.200 one episode, like little sort of things, but that was 2:14:16.240 --> 2:14:18.680 my first, like, here's how to show up to work 2:14:18.720 --> 2:14:21.960 every day and do it. You know, it's it was 2:14:24.080 --> 2:14:26.280 It was really wild, Like it's first of all, the 2:14:26.320 --> 2:14:29.400 show was not about me at all. I just got 2:14:29.440 --> 2:14:32.600 to sort of pop in and be burst Pam's bubble, 2:14:32.640 --> 2:14:36.200 which was an amazing job. But you would see these 2:14:36.280 --> 2:14:40.080 you know like nine women walk to set, all of 2:14:40.120 --> 2:14:44.240 them in like seven hundred dollars shoes, a thousand dollars shoes, 2:14:44.520 --> 2:14:47.600 and the camera never goes down to their shoes. I 2:14:47.680 --> 2:14:51.520 was like, how is this possible? How is this going on? 2:14:52.280 --> 2:14:55.080 But you know, working with Pam was just you know, 2:14:55.160 --> 2:14:59.040 you just can't believe it, and she was so lovely 2:14:59.080 --> 2:15:01.680 and sweet, and you know, you get to do crazy 2:15:01.720 --> 2:15:04.640 things like sing a David Bowie song with Alan Cumming 2:15:04.720 --> 2:15:08.000 to Pam Greer, it's like, what's my life? I like his. 2:15:10.560 --> 2:15:14.600 Wild And is your name real? Yeah? I was like, 2:15:14.720 --> 2:15:17.360 Dallas roberts is like too perfect of an actor name. 2:15:17.960 --> 2:15:22.200 Yeah, my real name is Todd Smith, but I decided 2:15:22.200 --> 2:15:24.520 to change it to Dallas. No, it's not my real 2:15:24.600 --> 2:15:29.680 Name's Dallas Robertson really yeah. I like that idea though, though, 2:15:29.720 --> 2:15:32.000 that I like at some point went like it's gonna 2:15:32.000 --> 2:15:35.000 be Dallas Roberts Yep. 2:15:35.280 --> 2:15:37.320 My dad like if I met you, if I met 2:15:37.320 --> 2:15:39.760 you working at like a rental car agency, I'd be like, 2:15:39.880 --> 2:15:42.160 you have an actor's name, Like it's just such an 2:15:42.200 --> 2:15:43.000 actor's name. 2:15:43.680 --> 2:15:48.280 Yeah. Yeah. My dad is a Texan, proud Texan, and 2:15:48.320 --> 2:15:50.920 he wanted his first son to be named Dallas, and 2:15:51.000 --> 2:15:53.680 my mother said yes. And then he wanted his second 2:15:53.680 --> 2:15:57.680 son to be named Houston and my mother said no. Yeah, 2:15:57.720 --> 2:16:00.480 so my brother's name is Brian, which is also city 2:16:00.560 --> 2:16:01.160 in Texas. 2:16:02.640 --> 2:16:07.480 Okay, yeah, funny, Oh my gosh, that's what. That's so funny. Yeah. 2:16:07.520 --> 2:16:11.600 Well you never didn't have to change it. That's good. Wait, 2:16:11.640 --> 2:16:14.480 I wanted to ask one more question because you so 2:16:14.840 --> 2:16:17.480 to us, like we after we met you in New 2:16:17.560 --> 2:16:19.560 York when we took a photo. We did a couple 2:16:19.560 --> 2:16:21.920 of live shows and we showed people the photo and 2:16:21.960 --> 2:16:24.400 they were like going crazy, like to a lot of 2:16:24.400 --> 2:16:27.120 people your yates, but to a lot of people, I'm 2:16:27.200 --> 2:16:30.400 sure your your character from Walking Dead. I'm thinking of 2:16:30.440 --> 2:16:32.120 like the things you've done that have like the most 2:16:32.160 --> 2:16:35.480 like psychotic fans, Like what are like, how how are 2:16:35.520 --> 2:16:38.440 your interactions with like Walking Dead fans versus maybe like 2:16:38.640 --> 2:16:40.800 s F fans or even insatiable fans or people that 2:16:40.840 --> 2:16:43.480 come up to like what's that? What's the vibe? Do 2:16:43.520 --> 2:16:46.440 you know what someone that recognizes you from before they. 2:16:46.360 --> 2:16:51.600 Even that's there. There's there is a little bit of 2:16:51.760 --> 2:16:56.560 profiling that goes on because I'm I'm not famous, I'm famous, 2:16:57.600 --> 2:17:01.040 So it's very rare very that someone will go are 2:17:01.080 --> 2:17:04.920 you Dallas Roberts. It's usually like are you do I 2:17:05.040 --> 2:17:08.120 know you from somewhere right, And then I'll be like, 2:17:08.280 --> 2:17:11.560 I'm on TV sometimes and they'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah, 2:17:11.680 --> 2:17:15.039 what what is it? And then you have to guess 2:17:15.120 --> 2:17:19.480 what you think they're watching. My favorite story about that 2:17:19.640 --> 2:17:23.480 is I was on That Good Wife for a number 2:17:23.480 --> 2:17:28.879 of years and I was traveling through Atlanta and I 2:17:28.920 --> 2:17:36.280 don't do this in airports. That whole screening thing it 2:17:36.360 --> 2:17:38.720 is security theater, and I'll buy it. So I just 2:17:39.320 --> 2:17:41.440 what you do is you opt out and then someone 2:17:41.480 --> 2:17:44.240 comes over and they make sure you're not carrying weapons. 2:17:44.280 --> 2:17:46.800 They give you a little massage before the flight. It's lovely. 2:17:49.400 --> 2:17:52.600 And so I'm flying into Atlanta and this like twenty 2:17:52.600 --> 2:17:56.680 seven year old kid goes they go, Maile assist and 2:17:56.720 --> 2:17:58.360 he comes over and he's he's like, come this way, 2:17:58.720 --> 2:18:00.119 and then he turns back to me and he goes, 2:18:00.720 --> 2:18:04.240 are you the brother? And I go I am, and 2:18:04.280 --> 2:18:07.520 he goes, you're good. Didn't pat me down at all, 2:18:09.280 --> 2:18:10.040 There's no way. 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:12.400 Alicia Floro's brother is Carrie. 2:18:13.320 --> 2:18:17.119 Yeah, the Walking Dead. When I was on I think 2:18:17.600 --> 2:18:24.040 season three when it was like humming, yeah, and you 2:18:24.720 --> 2:18:28.280 never met I never met a fan that was like 2:18:29.160 --> 2:18:32.240 I dig The Walking Dead. Like every fan was like, 2:18:32.440 --> 2:18:36.680 oh my god, you know, so that was intense for 2:18:36.720 --> 2:18:37.120 a while. 2:18:37.959 --> 2:18:39.520 Yeah, that's I think that's what I was what we 2:18:39.520 --> 2:18:42.440 were wondering because I've always heard that about their fans, 2:18:42.480 --> 2:18:45.640 and like, I listened to this podcast that later got 2:18:45.640 --> 2:18:48.320 made into a TV show where a girl was able 2:18:48.360 --> 2:18:52.720 to self defense herself from her own attempted murder and 2:18:52.840 --> 2:18:55.120 murder her attacker because she watched The Walking Dead. 2:18:55.560 --> 2:18:56.039 Oh wow. 2:18:56.640 --> 2:18:59.360 Yeah, And so the fans I just know, are like 2:18:59.680 --> 2:19:02.520 so hardcore that I was like, I wonder, yeah, was 2:19:02.520 --> 2:19:06.440 it the Dirty John thing? Yes? Yeah, Dirty John? Yeah? 2:19:06.560 --> 2:19:09.000 Do you know about that? It's like a crime podcasting. 2:19:09.040 --> 2:19:11.440 But yeah, the girl fought off her fucking attacker from 2:19:11.480 --> 2:19:13.920 the Walking Down. Her mom's boyfriend tried to murder her. 2:19:13.959 --> 2:19:16.760 He was a grifter age of the Drifter, and she 2:19:17.200 --> 2:19:19.560 like knew exactly what to do because she's like, I 2:19:19.680 --> 2:19:21.920 just watched The Walking Dead all the time, and you're like, 2:19:21.959 --> 2:19:23.000 oh my god. 2:19:23.280 --> 2:19:25.640 I got out my chain I saw on my baseball 2:19:25.680 --> 2:19:27.640 bat with barbed wire on it. 2:19:30.120 --> 2:19:33.920 Before we leave you any like tidbits from set, funny story, 2:19:34.120 --> 2:19:37.200 something about any of the cast members that you know 2:19:37.240 --> 2:19:38.800 we would all be excited to hear. 2:19:39.400 --> 2:19:41.040 Yeah, no, I think we covered it, you know, like 2:19:41.080 --> 2:19:43.280 it was great to work with Kelly. It's great to 2:19:43.680 --> 2:19:49.520 you know, Ice is funny. I make music. It's part 2:19:49.520 --> 2:19:55.080 of my side quests and so I'm you know, like 2:19:55.120 --> 2:19:57.800 I've got all these like beeping lights and stuff and 2:19:57.840 --> 2:20:00.600 headphones on in my in my door was hoping. He 2:20:00.640 --> 2:20:02.560 walked by and he was like, what are you making? 2:20:02.640 --> 2:20:05.320 And so we had like a little sort of like yo, 2:20:05.600 --> 2:20:07.720 I haven't seen that, you know, like I'm making a 2:20:07.760 --> 2:20:09.000 beat with Ice. 2:20:09.600 --> 2:20:09.720 Wo. 2:20:10.560 --> 2:20:17.840 Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's I look, I look quite 2:20:17.840 --> 2:20:19.360 fondly on that. 2:20:19.360 --> 2:20:22.080 That experience good and I'm glad you got to watch 2:20:22.120 --> 2:20:25.800 yourself in it because it is such a performance, thank you, 2:20:26.440 --> 2:20:30.440 such little moments and layered evil and it's just very 2:20:30.520 --> 2:20:34.360 very good. Yeah, so great. Is there any anything that 2:20:34.440 --> 2:20:37.320 you want our listeners to check out, like anything specific 2:20:37.440 --> 2:20:41.440 that's like recently come out or coming out or anything. Uh, 2:20:42.440 --> 2:20:45.440 since I know we can't direct them to your socials. 2:20:45.120 --> 2:20:49.040 Right, yes, just uh you can't follow me on socials 2:20:49.040 --> 2:20:50.440 and don't follow me in the street. 2:20:50.640 --> 2:20:53.959 No, we searched. Oh, we saw that there are some 2:20:54.000 --> 2:20:56.959 fan accounts. There are some fan accounts that are like 2:20:57.480 --> 2:21:00.360 going to art in who she follows, who follow her? 2:21:00.440 --> 2:21:03.600 We really went on a search and right too, pool 2:21:03.640 --> 2:21:04.240 for and stuff. 2:21:04.920 --> 2:21:09.039 My kids have Instagram and so that's my sort of 2:21:09.160 --> 2:21:10.160 lens into it. 2:21:10.600 --> 2:21:14.160 And you don't. I mean, I'll never get off of it. 2:21:14.200 --> 2:21:20.200 I'm addicted, but you don't need it. This was awesome, though, 2:21:20.240 --> 2:21:22.440 Thank you so much for taking the time to talk 2:21:22.440 --> 2:21:22.800 to us. 2:21:23.080 --> 2:21:25.640 Guys, Thanks so much for having me. No, it was 2:21:26.160 --> 2:21:28.360 genuine pleasure and I got to, you know, go back 2:21:28.360 --> 2:21:29.800 and watch it. 2:21:30.280 --> 2:21:34.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And hopefully we'll run into you through 2:21:34.840 --> 2:21:36.640 Arden again one of these days and we'll be more 2:21:36.680 --> 2:21:37.920 chill because now we've talked to you. 2:21:38.920 --> 2:21:39.879 No worries. 2:21:43.920 --> 2:21:46.760 That was fun, so fun. I love him. I could 2:21:46.800 --> 2:21:47.560 talk to him all day. 2:21:48.280 --> 2:21:48.440 Yeah. 2:21:48.480 --> 2:21:49.920 I bet we could see him in New York. I 2:21:49.920 --> 2:21:52.600 bet we could get a hang out of him. I 2:21:52.600 --> 2:21:55.000 wonder if I'm at Diane Neil or buds, we can 2:21:55.040 --> 2:21:59.040 all get fucked up, stay out past one in the morning, 2:21:59.160 --> 2:22:01.360 how about that? Yeah? What the fuck? 2:22:01.600 --> 2:22:04.760 I'm still so pissed at this town and I keep 2:22:04.760 --> 2:22:06.760 trying to have you know, I go to the beach, 2:22:06.800 --> 2:22:09.200 I'm going pools, I'm making plans, I'm being out, I'm 2:22:09.200 --> 2:22:12.200 being active. Yeah, trying to enjoy this fucking town. And 2:22:12.200 --> 2:22:14.000 then at one in the morning, it's like, go home, 2:22:14.040 --> 2:22:16.640 you dumb bitch. Yeah, it's not a late town. It's 2:22:16.640 --> 2:22:19.039 so early to rise, early to bed kind of town. 2:22:19.120 --> 2:22:21.800 I mean I think that's yeah, I'm up early too. 2:22:21.800 --> 2:22:25.680 The sun is wild the sun is popping in my apartment. 2:22:25.800 --> 2:22:28.440 The sun is popping, the sun is wilding out every 2:22:28.440 --> 2:22:29.160 fucking morning. 2:22:29.200 --> 2:22:29.400 God. 2:22:30.160 --> 2:22:32.520 Our friend Mike Joyce posted this. But you know, everyone's 2:22:32.600 --> 2:22:35.760 like so into the new Cosmos photos. They love the space, 2:22:35.879 --> 2:22:39.520 they love the galaxies, and they keep showing how Hubble sucks, 2:22:39.560 --> 2:22:42.680 and they're like, okay, drag Hubble all day, like it's 2:22:42.720 --> 2:22:46.520 done so much work. I just couldn't believe out. Michael's like, okay, 2:22:46.560 --> 2:22:49.440 so we're just gonna insult the Hubble all day long. Yeah, 2:22:49.480 --> 2:22:51.959 and be like I saw something that was like I 2:22:52.000 --> 2:22:53.800 saw some tweet that was like, look at us treating 2:22:53.800 --> 2:22:56.519 the hubble like the before picture in a Botox commercial. 2:22:56.920 --> 2:23:03.119 Like yeah, but I said this out loudest on yesterday 2:23:03.120 --> 2:23:04.960 and they go, no, the Hubble has done so much 2:23:04.959 --> 2:23:06.920 good work. And they started like telling me all these 2:23:06.959 --> 2:23:08.840 details about the Hubble and I'm like, okay, I don't 2:23:10.280 --> 2:23:13.840 I but I guess the Hubble's taken like seventy thousand 2:23:13.879 --> 2:23:16.720 folks like something like the Hubble's been working for the Hubble. 2:23:16.800 --> 2:23:19.520 Oh, the Hubble's been booked and blessed. Baby, she wor 2:23:20.120 --> 2:23:22.760 she works. I like that. 2:23:22.840 --> 2:23:25.360 Everyone likes space. It's just like, can we just get 2:23:25.360 --> 2:23:27.480 an alien though? Like, what the fuck? Why are these 2:23:27.480 --> 2:23:30.600 aliens playing with us? I don't know, Come visit, Come visit, 2:23:30.800 --> 2:23:34.920 visit baby. It's almost like maybe they're not there. What 2:23:35.080 --> 2:23:37.520 if there are aliens listening to this podcast? Like that 2:23:37.560 --> 2:23:38.200 would be fun. 2:23:38.520 --> 2:23:41.240 Oh, that would be fun. They have Apple they download 2:23:41.240 --> 2:23:46.440 on or they listen to iHeart they have the iHeart app. Yeah, 2:23:47.280 --> 2:23:49.760 because it's not like podcasts or even like radio, like 2:23:49.800 --> 2:23:52.320 it's more likely that aliens can hear like your local 2:23:52.440 --> 2:23:55.920 z Morning Zoo DJ Like that's because that's like terrestrial 2:23:56.240 --> 2:23:57.359 like radio waves. 2:23:57.600 --> 2:24:00.520 I will say a positive about LA great radio stations 2:24:00.600 --> 2:24:02.560 that I was good as Chicago, but like the wave 2:24:02.600 --> 2:24:04.960 and one O two seven are just like so good. 2:24:05.000 --> 2:24:07.560 Oh and ninety three five KD for old school hip 2:24:07.600 --> 2:24:09.400 hop is really good. If you have that, I thought 2:24:09.400 --> 2:24:11.640 that's the wave. Maybe that's the way. What's the wave? 2:24:12.240 --> 2:24:14.879 I don't know, but ninety three five is Cada. That's yeah, 2:24:14.920 --> 2:24:17.280 that's the one I have one O two seven and 2:24:17.280 --> 2:24:19.480 then I think the wave. But do you remember? I 2:24:19.520 --> 2:24:22.760 mean I used to like call Eddie and Joebo, like 2:24:22.800 --> 2:24:25.480 I used to call for Pride, like the radio was everything. 2:24:25.680 --> 2:24:27.920 I used to call. It was one hundred in New York. 2:24:27.959 --> 2:24:29.840 That was my favorite station because that's like the top 2:24:29.879 --> 2:24:32.600 forty station, and I would call in eighth grade and 2:24:32.600 --> 2:24:34.640 ask for the sign by Ace of Bass like every 2:24:34.720 --> 2:24:37.920 day after school. I loved that song so much I. 2:24:38.040 --> 2:24:40.600 Was I had a VHS tape of Ace of Bass 2:24:40.640 --> 2:24:42.240 like behind the scenes, how they made it. 2:24:42.360 --> 2:24:46.080 Yeah, we were a big Ace of Base household well. 2:24:46.120 --> 2:24:47.800 And then the one of the Ace of basers was 2:24:47.840 --> 2:24:49.760 on below deck and was kind of a douche and 2:24:49.800 --> 2:24:52.240 like I remember, one of the crew members was like, Okay, 2:24:52.280 --> 2:24:54.040 you were an Ace of Base, Like we don't care, 2:24:55.440 --> 2:24:56.959 stop talking about. 2:24:58.120 --> 2:25:02.600 Your songs. Okay, but we should talk about this. Let's 2:25:02.600 --> 2:25:05.879 talk about this episode. Let's do the post mort man 2:25:06.600 --> 2:25:09.480 into your house. No one should help you with your luggage, 2:25:09.800 --> 2:25:10.800 with your groceries. 2:25:11.240 --> 2:25:13.520 I saw this online. We might have talked about last episode. 2:25:13.560 --> 2:25:17.960 I do repeat myself often. But a man would never 2:25:18.080 --> 2:25:21.040 ask a woman for help. Ever, So if a man's 2:25:21.080 --> 2:25:23.240 asking you for something, they're a criminal. 2:25:23.720 --> 2:25:26.720 Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy come to my house 2:25:26.760 --> 2:25:28.800 once when I was pregnant and his head was bleeding 2:25:28.879 --> 2:25:30.320 and he was like, can I come in? And I 2:25:30.360 --> 2:25:33.320 was like, no, I'm sorry, I but I called him 2:25:33.320 --> 2:25:37.240 an uber? What did he want? Some paper towels for 2:25:37.280 --> 2:25:40.400 his bleeding head? I don't know. No, go to super 2:25:40.400 --> 2:25:43.920 a bitch? Are you kidding me? It was at my 2:25:44.160 --> 2:25:46.360 It was at my old house, and I was I 2:25:46.520 --> 2:25:48.640 was luckily I had a friend there, but I was 2:25:48.680 --> 2:25:50.720 otherwise my husband was out of town. I was alone, 2:25:50.760 --> 2:25:53.360 but I did have a friend, a friend of the pod, 2:25:54.000 --> 2:25:54.560 staying with me. 2:25:55.120 --> 2:25:58.080 Yeah, we gotta get knives. These people are bold. But yeah, 2:25:58.200 --> 2:26:00.720 don't men do not need help? I might have said 2:26:00.720 --> 2:26:03.920 this on this episode already. Yeah, do you remember, I 2:26:04.000 --> 2:26:05.960 don't know, I don't know. I actually don't think you did. 2:26:06.280 --> 2:26:10.320 But yeah, I mean, let anyone in your house. Yeah, 2:26:10.360 --> 2:26:14.240 and even if it's honestly, even if it's like, you know, 2:26:14.440 --> 2:26:16.760 a woman with a baby, it's a fake baby. 2:26:16.800 --> 2:26:21.440 Don't trust it. Yeah, help from a distance. That was 2:26:21.520 --> 2:26:27.000 how they got sister Peg in pure remember help me 2:26:27.080 --> 2:26:31.640 my baby. And then when they went back there, boom 2:26:31.879 --> 2:26:35.200 what else when talks a fucking sister peg? Yeah, and 2:26:35.280 --> 2:26:40.039 this crime like unsolved, so scary could still be out there. 2:26:40.120 --> 2:26:43.480 Cops never make it like you know, connections, it's a 2:26:43.480 --> 2:26:46.440 whole secretive town. Don't go to secretive towns. Don't leave 2:26:46.480 --> 2:26:48.959 your phone at home, like if someone if you go 2:26:49.040 --> 2:26:50.960 to someone's house and they're like, don't bring your phone 2:26:51.120 --> 2:26:55.760 unless it's Jennifer Aniston, like, don't go. Yeah, oh god, 2:26:55.920 --> 2:26:59.280 yeah for inst she's getting away with so much. 2:26:59.360 --> 2:27:02.800 Well, we were at our friend's house and I saw 2:27:02.800 --> 2:27:03.680 a photo on the fridge. 2:27:03.720 --> 2:27:05.320 I was like, oh, this looks cute. What's it from? 2:27:05.520 --> 2:27:07.959 And Kara was there to witness her saying that she 2:27:08.040 --> 2:27:11.720 was at Adam Sandler's daughter's bot mitzvah and that's. 2:27:11.560 --> 2:27:15.800 Fair see and it was star studded, dripping in celebs. 2:27:16.280 --> 2:27:18.240 I can't, Oh my god, I want to go to 2:27:18.280 --> 2:27:21.800 a rich ass bought mitzvah so bad you'll be you'll 2:27:21.879 --> 2:27:23.959 do you will? I see that for you. You think 2:27:24.000 --> 2:27:26.240 I'll have enough Jew friends that I'll get to go 2:27:26.240 --> 2:27:29.560 to a bouman? I think so, I think so. Yeah, 2:27:29.600 --> 2:27:32.160 I bet his wasn't at Ma Giano's. 2:27:34.080 --> 2:27:34.440 Whatever. 2:27:34.480 --> 2:27:35.520 It's a fox up crime. 2:27:35.640 --> 2:27:38.720 MUDs are weird, marshas are weird, Stay out of swamps. 2:27:38.760 --> 2:27:41.120 Like everything is blaming the victim. All of my advice 2:27:41.280 --> 2:27:44.520 is like, don't trust anyone. I don't know, it's scary. 2:27:44.520 --> 2:27:46.000 The Long Island Killer is scary. 2:27:46.640 --> 2:27:49.840 No, I know, I know. I mean it's just once 2:27:49.879 --> 2:27:52.760 again hammer home how vulnerable sex workers are, you know, 2:27:53.000 --> 2:27:53.680 like all the time. 2:27:53.840 --> 2:27:56.360 Yeah, that's what I was about to say, Like bring 2:27:56.480 --> 2:27:59.360 back back pages, bring back how like make it legal? 2:27:59.680 --> 2:28:07.080 Yeah yeah, it's really make it legal and keep people safe. Yeah, 2:28:07.160 --> 2:28:12.360 but so disrespectful and so disrespectful. Yeah, And like I like, 2:28:12.400 --> 2:28:15.040 there's a podcast that interviews porn stars all the time, 2:28:15.280 --> 2:28:20.000 not Asa Kire's this other one plug Talk, and like 2:28:20.040 --> 2:28:22.119 one of them was saying, she's like you don't realize 2:28:22.120 --> 2:28:24.360 how many people she goes. I get recognized all the time, 2:28:24.400 --> 2:28:26.439 Like I could tell people know who I am everywhere 2:28:26.480 --> 2:28:29.800 I go, and yet everyone denies it. Everyone is so mean, 2:28:30.360 --> 2:28:33.360 you know, like they it's so weird. It's just like 2:28:33.400 --> 2:28:35.200 I don't get it because we still live in like 2:28:35.280 --> 2:28:38.920 a very prude society. We're being run Our Supreme Court 2:28:39.040 --> 2:28:42.200 is run by Christo fascist fucking nightmares. I mean, like 2:28:42.520 --> 2:28:47.200 Jesus is everywhere. But listen, let's move on to what 2:28:47.200 --> 2:28:50.600 would Sister Peg do. This is our weekly segment where 2:28:50.640 --> 2:28:53.480 we tell you, give you some information, give you an article, 2:28:53.520 --> 2:28:56.760 a book, a charity, something that you can support, or 2:28:56.800 --> 2:28:59.400 find out more information about today's topic. And today we 2:28:59.520 --> 2:29:02.200 just kind of wanted to direct you to if you're 2:29:02.200 --> 2:29:05.640 interested in more information about the Long Island killer. There 2:29:05.720 --> 2:29:09.640 is a website setup that's www dot gilgonews dot com. 2:29:09.640 --> 2:29:14.360 That's gilgonews dot com and it's a website and the 2:29:14.400 --> 2:29:18.640 sole purpose is dissemoning information to the about the Suffolk 2:29:18.640 --> 2:29:21.760 County Police Departments Goigo Beech homicide investigation. So I don't 2:29:21.800 --> 2:29:24.280 know if you or somebody you know has tips or 2:29:24.400 --> 2:29:25.720 I don't know, you want to learn more about it. 2:29:25.800 --> 2:29:29.039 There's maps, there's all kinds of information. They want the 2:29:29.040 --> 2:29:31.360 public's help to solve these murders. But I know that 2:29:31.560 --> 2:29:33.200 it's been a long time for some of them. So 2:29:33.360 --> 2:29:35.680 but hopefully you know, they caught the Golden State killer 2:29:36.440 --> 2:29:38.880 thirty years forty years later, so you never know. 2:29:39.760 --> 2:29:41.600 Well, you know what they're trying to do right now, 2:29:41.640 --> 2:29:44.440 they're trying to put away the woman who lied about 2:29:44.440 --> 2:29:49.760 Emma tel Oh really yeah, she is alive in kicking 2:29:50.000 --> 2:29:52.760 and old, and people are like, put that bitch in jail, 2:29:52.920 --> 2:29:55.400 Like what are we waiting for? They put Nazis away 2:29:55.440 --> 2:30:00.160 all the time, like, put her away? Yeah, fuck, there 2:30:00.200 --> 2:30:00.680 is no doubt. 2:30:00.920 --> 2:30:04.840 Yeah, as bridget Ever says, there are no deadlines. What 2:30:04.920 --> 2:30:07.879 is it? No deadlines for dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. 2:30:09.280 --> 2:30:11.640 And killers should be put away no matter what, or 2:30:11.720 --> 2:30:14.360 lying bitches like I'm sorry, yeah, should be put away. 2:30:15.160 --> 2:30:17.879 No, for sure. That's horrible. I don't know why they 2:30:17.920 --> 2:30:22.080 have it. I don't know. Probably because everybody's racist. I 2:30:22.120 --> 2:30:22.400 don't know. 2:30:22.520 --> 2:30:24.840 Well, also with like people trying to solve it, Like 2:30:25.040 --> 2:30:26.840 I was reading stuff and like there was like a 2:30:26.879 --> 2:30:29.879 lot of Twitter threads about people being mad that truth, 2:30:29.959 --> 2:30:33.400 Like family members of people who've been murdered are annoyed 2:30:33.440 --> 2:30:35.720 with people reaching out to them trying to like solve 2:30:35.760 --> 2:30:37.080 their family member's case. 2:30:37.800 --> 2:30:39.600 Yeah, have you seen this stuff? No. 2:30:40.360 --> 2:30:43.720 I guess like people like true crime listeners not ours, 2:30:44.280 --> 2:30:48.200 are like harassing surviving family members and being like, will 2:30:48.240 --> 2:30:51.280 help solve your daughter's case, and they're like leave me alone, Like, yeah, 2:30:51.320 --> 2:30:52.400 they're getting harassed. 2:30:52.600 --> 2:30:55.560 I think about that with Cereal, like how popular Cereal was, 2:30:55.600 --> 2:30:58.000 and I'm like, wow, hay Manley's family must be like, 2:30:58.760 --> 2:31:02.320 leave us the fuck alone, because that was so viral 2:31:02.360 --> 2:31:05.320 and huge, and I bet everybody was just like everyone 2:31:05.400 --> 2:31:08.800 was sleuthing, you know. Yeah, I mean, and I get it. 2:31:08.840 --> 2:31:10.600 I get the urge of wanting to solve a crime 2:31:10.640 --> 2:31:12.960 and be a hero, but also you gotta like resp 2:31:13.120 --> 2:31:15.840 I don't know, it's all so complicated, because I do 2:31:15.920 --> 2:31:18.400 know that there's like a backlash of like true crime stuff. 2:31:18.640 --> 2:31:22.480 But to me, I was thinking, like twenty twenty Dateline, 2:31:22.640 --> 2:31:25.840 all these shows were about crimes. It's all been true 2:31:25.840 --> 2:31:27.760 crime and no one cares, and then when it's women 2:31:27.840 --> 2:31:29.320 talking about it, suddenly it's like. 2:31:29.320 --> 2:31:31.440 A big dilemma, right, right, And. 2:31:31.440 --> 2:31:34.720 So obviously there's complications and there's things we care about. 2:31:34.720 --> 2:31:36.280 You know, it's sister Peg, and we try to do 2:31:36.440 --> 2:31:40.039 right by like all victims and all the crimes. You know, 2:31:41.080 --> 2:31:45.680 obviously we probably make mistakes. But it does seem suspicious. 2:31:45.120 --> 2:31:47.160 That no one was mad at twenty twenty, but then 2:31:47.240 --> 2:31:48.920 everyone's mad at tea talking. 2:31:49.200 --> 2:31:49.640 Yeah. 2:31:49.760 --> 2:31:53.320 Interesting, Suddenly true crime has gotten too far. But not 2:31:53.400 --> 2:31:56.160 when you watched with your family on Friday, right, Like, 2:31:56.280 --> 2:31:57.720 Jean Benet, are you kidding? 2:31:57.800 --> 2:32:01.480 Was that not toxic? Like what are you talking about? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 2:32:01.680 --> 2:32:03.600 just a little, just a little thing I said. 2:32:03.600 --> 2:32:05.080 But if we want to meet up at the Gilgo 2:32:05.160 --> 2:32:07.480 Beach murderers, let's let's I'll meet you. 2:32:07.640 --> 2:32:10.320 Let's say that's the point. If we want to meet 2:32:10.360 --> 2:32:12.880 at the swamp, I'll meet you at the swamp, maybe 2:32:12.959 --> 2:32:17.320 at the marsh. Maybe I want to see what this 2:32:17.360 --> 2:32:19.440 community is. I bet I could, I bet I could. 2:32:19.680 --> 2:32:21.160 I bet I could look one of these guys up 2:32:21.200 --> 2:32:23.080 and down. And you think you could infiltrate You think 2:32:23.080 --> 2:32:26.920 you could infiltrate the Oak Beach Association. Yeah, yeah, I 2:32:26.920 --> 2:32:29.080 think you could. I don't know if they allow Jews. 2:32:29.080 --> 2:32:30.880 They kind of seem like a no Jew crew, but 2:32:31.040 --> 2:32:33.120 maybe it seems like. 2:32:33.120 --> 2:32:35.440 A part of the island with no Jews. Yeah, you know, 2:32:35.520 --> 2:32:38.040 there's not all Jew areas. That sounds like a fucking 2:32:38.840 --> 2:32:41.440 Jordan Peele movie, Like it's on Long Island, but it's 2:32:41.440 --> 2:32:43.440 like a sect where they hate Jewish people. Oh my god, 2:32:43.560 --> 2:32:47.520 love that. Okay, So anyway, just to circle back, that 2:32:47.760 --> 2:32:53.560 is gilgnews dot com that uh they leads, tips, lots 2:32:53.560 --> 2:32:56.600 of information, timeline of events, bios about the victims, lots 2:32:56.600 --> 2:32:58.240 of stuff is up there if you're interested in more 2:32:58.280 --> 2:33:02.920 about the Long Island Killer. And as always, all of 2:33:02.920 --> 2:33:06.439 our what would Sister pegs dos are on our Instagram 2:33:06.480 --> 2:33:08.760 in a highlight called WWSPD. Yeah. 2:33:08.800 --> 2:33:10.880 I don't think I've ever fully interrupted on what would 2:33:10.920 --> 2:33:13.279 Sister peg Do and go on a five minute tangent? 2:33:13.400 --> 2:33:14.959 So thanks for that. Oh I loved it. 2:33:14.959 --> 2:33:16.039 It was perfect. 2:33:17.400 --> 2:33:20.680 You seem exhausted. Oh no, it's great. 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