Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done, Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. I
Speaker 1: am one of your hosts, Kara Klink, and I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 1: We talk SVU crimes. We have celeb guests. That's really
Speaker 1: a whirlwind and it's been time. I mean, I also
Speaker 1: got drunk last night, Cara. Oh my gosh, Liza. I
Speaker 1: had to recover. I had to regard. I mean I
Speaker 1: just I had like a half hour nap and then
Speaker 1: I went right back out. Hair of the Dog Baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what we're basically referring to is we were promoting
Speaker 1: it a lot on our Instagram, but we got to
Speaker 1: judge a very fun lip sync contest called Learn the
Speaker 1: Words Bitch at Acbar here in Silver Lake in LA.
Speaker 1: And it's a monthly show hosted by Silverlake Icon Tony Sodo,
Speaker 1: a funny as hell drag queen, and they invited us
Speaker 1: to host, and we were so excited judge to judge.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry not host judge, judge. So this is like
Speaker 1: the kind of lip sync contest where anyone can go
Speaker 1: up like and you can. Some people came in drag,
Speaker 1: some people were just in plain clothes and you just
Speaker 1: can like feel your fantasy and lip sync to any
Speaker 1: song that you want. And I had the best time,
Speaker 1: but I did drink too much. And yesterday I was
Speaker 1: a struggle. It was a struggle, but you puked. I
Speaker 1: didn't puke, shockingly, just a little bit in the morning.
Speaker 1: I literally said goodbye to my kids and Jared was
Speaker 1: putting them in the car and I was like, oh god,
Speaker 1: and I just went to the bathroom and just did
Speaker 1: a tiny little puke, a puke lit. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: coughed a lot, pretending I was gonna pee. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I didn't appel. Yeah, yeah, I know that story.
Speaker 1: Oh wait.
Speaker 2: I went to Gelkos yesterday after we stopped working. And Gelkos,
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, Okay, sorry, I have like
Speaker 2: an active crush.
Speaker 1: So the text came in. I had to It's just
Speaker 1: a fucking friend, just a dumb ass friend. So Gelkos
Speaker 1: is a vintage like soda pop shop and there's beers
Speaker 1: and it's just like liquids from around the world and
Speaker 1: they have a sandwiches in the back and they play
Speaker 1: like old timy music and it's so cute and I
Speaker 1: don't know why there hasn't been like a date filmed
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, a movie and it has like old
Speaker 1: candy and stuff like. It's great.
Speaker 2: I got jujifruits in honor of Seinfeld because I've never
Speaker 2: actually had them, and they're better than juju be's.
Speaker 1: Oh I was good to say. I don't really like
Speaker 1: juju bees, but maybe jujifruits are better. They're softer. Ah,
Speaker 1: got it. But then you do have the licorice flavor,
Speaker 1: so that's upsetting. But what are you gonna do? Well?
Speaker 1: We had a listener by the just a quick shout
Speaker 1: out to a listener. I forget her name, but she
Speaker 1: was so sweet. She works at Trader Joe's in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and she brought us big bags snacks to our shows
Speaker 1: and we love you. That was so amazing. And now
Speaker 1: I'm hooked on those strawberry licorice twists from fucking Trader Joe's.
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm buying a bag every week. I just
Speaker 1: bought a bag today. It's like a perfect little poppable
Speaker 1: treat when you just want like a little bit of
Speaker 1: sweet sugar. Did it take over for you? In terms
Speaker 1: of the Scandinavian swimmers or the snacks? Still at that
Speaker 1: other time, the swimmers are still in the house. Rosie
Speaker 1: gets two swimmers in her lunch every day. But I
Speaker 1: would say I'm reaching for the twists more than the
Speaker 1: swimmers these days. But I'll be do you, So she
Speaker 1: gets two swimmers a day. Yeah, it's her little treat
Speaker 1: in her lunch because her lunch is like a little
Speaker 1: sectional Bento box, you know, and in the center there's
Speaker 1: just like a circle. I think you're supposed to put
Speaker 1: a dip in there, but my child doesn't do dips,
Speaker 1: so I just give her two little gummies as a treat.
Speaker 1: She eats the first thing she eats. I love the
Speaker 1: bento box era. Yeah, and she eats so much more
Speaker 1: then you mean, Yeah, she eats so much more than
Speaker 1: like when she's not eating with a Bento box. She
Speaker 1: likes eating with that. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: What I also wanted to say about Gilko's is that
Speaker 2: Billie Eilish loves to go there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because she's a Highland park girl. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: her favorite fucking spot, so that's exciting. Speaking of celebrities,
Speaker 1: I did humiliate myself. No, it was not that bad.
Speaker 1: So at learn the words, bitch. I ran into a
Speaker 1: delightful drag queen named Jackie Cox, who was on the
Speaker 1: season that I wrote on. So we were just like
Speaker 1: catching up and talking and then Lisa walks by and
Speaker 1: I go, Lisa, this is Jackie Cox, and Lisa's face
Speaker 1: it was like a little kid seeing Santa Claus, Like
Speaker 1: it was so cute. You were just like eyes wide,
Speaker 1: mouth agape like hi, and it was like I'm sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they love that response.
Speaker 2: But then the thing that came out was like, do
Speaker 2: you know this person? Which is like a random person.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with him. It's just because
Speaker 2: while we were watching the season, one of our friends
Speaker 2: thought that Jackie reminded I did her of our friend,
Speaker 2: and that's why I even said it.
Speaker 1: It's not like they know each other or he's like
Speaker 1: crazy to think that they would know each other. She's
Speaker 1: a New York queen, he's a New York comic. I
Speaker 1: don't think that it does a direction, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: There's like tons of people that he might know, like
Speaker 1: we could have been like, do you know, Bob, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it was, it was, it
Speaker 1: was just I don't know why I couldn't handle myself.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I fall apart. I don't know, and then sometimes
Speaker 1: I act too cool. Yeah, sometimes I act too cool
Speaker 1: pretend I don't know, and I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: like hard at times. Sometimes your body sometimes you just
Speaker 1: don't You're never prepped for when you're going to act
Speaker 1: like a maniac. You're never prepped. You're just never ready.
Speaker 2: No, Sometimes you're in a room with a bunch of
Speaker 2: people and it's like, what, Oh I did meet one
Speaker 2: of my favorite porn stars turned DJs.
Speaker 1: That was exciting. Oh, excuse me, that's exciting about out Carter?
Speaker 1: She ran up to me. What she ran up and
Speaker 1: hugged me. It was thrilling. How does she know you
Speaker 1: from your comedy from the internet? Wow?
Speaker 2: Well, you know in my Netflix Stuff Hour, I do
Speaker 2: a joke about paying for porn. Yeah, obviously the porn
Speaker 2: stars loved it, so I kind of I've been passed
Speaker 2: around the porn community in terms of that clip.
Speaker 1: Not in a typical way of being passed around the
Speaker 1: porn community. No, you would have heard about that. I
Speaker 1: was out there like fucking all these porn stars. Oh,
Speaker 1: definitely now, but it is wild they are out and
Speaker 1: about in La. Yeah. I mean I was with you
Speaker 1: when we saw one of your faves and who DMS
Speaker 1: who we DM?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, they've been at like a show.
Speaker 1: I've whatever. Listen you guys. I'm successful and porn stars
Speaker 1: loves me. I'm living a fantasy.
Speaker 2: And what I love too is Karen and I were
Speaker 2: so hungover we separately each got McDonald yesterday, not the
Speaker 2: other one did, and that makes me happy to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of great delivery option. While
Speaker 1: Bells was closed, my favorite bagel place was closed. I
Speaker 1: really wanted a bell sandwich. But you would get Bells
Speaker 1: for hangover. Yeah, like I was. Bells is closed on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So last night we went to the
Speaker 1: Hermiceo a bunch of us and getting drunk.
Speaker 2: It was closing. Fuck, where are we gonna go? Fucking
Speaker 2: Goldfish closed, Juniors is closed. We went to fig Everything
Speaker 2: Clos're getting.
Speaker 1: Out of a car. You always call it junior. Johnny
Speaker 1: is john is Johnny. They were all closed, all closed,
Speaker 1: So we drive to fig And in two separate cars,
Speaker 1: and then while we're going out, there's like a bunch
Speaker 1: of people standing outside Greyhound going it's all closed, and
Speaker 1: we keep walking. They're like, you will be coming back
Speaker 1: to your car, like they were just roasting the shit
Speaker 1: out of us, And it was. It was all closed,
Speaker 1: the Bowling closed, gold Line like everything. The time was
Speaker 1: it maybe one in the morning. Oh yeah, you can't go.
Speaker 1: You can't do late on a Tuesday in La. I
Speaker 1: feel like, but were you the one that told me
Speaker 1: that West Hollywood bars are going to be open til four? Now?
Speaker 2: I saw a thing on Instagram that said that West
Speaker 2: Hollywood has like voted and decided that you could be
Speaker 2: opened til four. So that'll But it's not like, but
Speaker 2: once you're already back in your neighborhood, you're not going
Speaker 2: to go to.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, I'm just saying, if you knew
Speaker 1: you wanted to have like a late night, you could
Speaker 1: go out in that neighborhood. But yeah, I started my
Speaker 1: night at Silver Lake Lounge. Oh yeah, and that was fun.
Speaker 1: I watched our friend Josh, who sent me Taco Bell
Speaker 1: gift cards, play music. Talented, very talented. It was very excit, exciting,
Speaker 1: but yeah, everything was closed and then we got roasted
Speaker 1: by a group of people. But they love the Greyhounds,
Speaker 1: so there, maybe I'll try that. Yeah, nine o'clock, I mean, what.
Speaker 3: The fuck.
Speaker 1: Greyhounds? Fine? What about Goldline? Have you been there? It
Speaker 1: was all closed? No, I know, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: in general, I haven't been there. I know people love it.
Speaker 2: It's always two packed for me, I always and with
Speaker 2: people who want to go there, and I'm always like,
Speaker 2: m that's.
Speaker 1: Fine for me, too busy. It's too busy for me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just couldn't believe it, just like begging
Speaker 2: to have one more drink all over town.
Speaker 1: Everything closed. Yeah. Also shout out Arsley for the edible
Speaker 1: you gave us. Oh yes, we did have an amazing
Speaker 1: listener named Arsley at the show. We had a couple
Speaker 1: other listeners that were there. Thank you guys for all
Speaker 1: coming out. That was so sweet. And the birthday cake
Speaker 1: edible candy bar. I don't even know where I put it,
Speaker 1: but I loved it. I have mine in the house.
Speaker 1: I got to keep it away from my kids because
Speaker 1: if Rosie sees that packaging, she will She's not going
Speaker 1: to be able to open it. She will not be
Speaker 1: able to get through it, but she'll ask me for it.
Speaker 1: Oh a couple O.
Speaker 2: Should we be talking about Uber Postmates prices or is
Speaker 2: through the roof?
Speaker 1: Oh? Really do you order food anymore? I don't order
Speaker 1: food that much through It's insane.
Speaker 2: Mates, Like I got, like, I've not had an order
Speaker 2: under thirty dollars even though the food total is like
Speaker 2: twelve dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Like my McDonald's yesterday was twenty and I
Speaker 1: got the hash browns and a egg and cheese and
Speaker 1: a coke. Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The economy, I'm noticing it because when I'm on the
Speaker 2: road all the time, I don't look at prices because
Speaker 2: it's like I don't really have a choice.
Speaker 1: I'm out here, Like what am I going to do? Nitpick?
Speaker 1: In London? I'm getting the sandwich.
Speaker 2: There's just no thinking when I'm on the road or
Speaker 2: I'm at a hotel or like whatever. And then now
Speaker 2: that I've been home for a few weeks, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I feel the economy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't kind of tell although gas prices
Speaker 1: are going down. Yeah, it's just like I usually don't
Speaker 1: pay attention and now I'm like, wait, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is happening? Yeah, I know everyone's been because people talk
Speaker 1: about the O eight crash and I'm like, could have
Speaker 1: beat me? I don't. I don't know about it, Like
Speaker 1: i've oh eight the crash. It's like I lost my job,
Speaker 1: but I was also broke before, and I was broke after,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was not right. Yeah, I was twenty,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care about mortgages and right, right, right
Speaker 1: wasn't affecting me as a New York City stand up comedian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now I do feel like, oh my god, for
Speaker 1: hating LA, I feel very grateful to have the apartment
Speaker 1: that I have. Yeah, yeah, because shit's fucked. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the fun intro. This is the funny to come for
Speaker 1: the economy is crap.
Speaker 2: Well I've only noticed mostly for post me. It's like
Speaker 2: keep having to to be like I guess I'll walk
Speaker 2: like I should be to get things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me just say a little
Speaker 1: bit of business that we are going to be in
Speaker 1: three days on the twenty ninth at the Montreal Comedy Festival.
Speaker 1: If you know anyone in Montreal, if you're in Montreal,
Speaker 1: please come see us. It's gonna be great. It's going
Speaker 1: to be you know, a totally original show that no
Speaker 1: one's ever seen before. And then also Lisa will be
Speaker 1: at mic Drop Comedy in San Diego in August. Get
Speaker 1: tickets for that. And also Lisa's birthday is August thirty. First,
Speaker 1: please plan your Instagram ahead of time, get going, start
Speaker 1: brainstorming some ideas. Picking your gifts.
Speaker 2: Now, I always act like I'm going to be low key,
Speaker 2: and then I've already made dinner reservations two months out,
Speaker 2: like I mean.
Speaker 1: Lunch lunch reservation. No, it's exciting.
Speaker 2: I couldn't afford dinner there, dinners before booze.
Speaker 1: That's nuts. That's like Jared and I went to Tokyo
Speaker 1: and we went We stayed at a really nice hotel
Speaker 1: for just two nights of it, and we were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we want to go to like a really upscale sushi
Speaker 1: dinner and they were like, okay, that runs about six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a person. We were like, okay, medium scale.
Speaker 1: Then they sent us to it like another place. It
Speaker 1: was just a notch down but was still really good.
Speaker 1: People fucking love Japan. Oh yeah, Tokyo.
Speaker 2: Can you believe that that their leader got assassinated, and
Speaker 2: it's like a blip in our news, Like what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, he's he's the ex leader, so that's probably why
Speaker 1: it's not quite so, but it is. Oh he was
Speaker 1: the ex Yeah he stepped down in twenty twenty. Okay,
Speaker 1: but but but still I remember this guy in the
Speaker 1: news constantly because him and Trump were like buddy, buddy,
Speaker 1: you know, so I remember that all the time. And
Speaker 1: it's just wild that Japan has about six gun related
Speaker 1: murders a year, whereas we have three hundred thousand or
Speaker 1: something like or thirty thousand, some kind of crazy number.
Speaker 1: And this was like a handmade gun. Like it's just
Speaker 1: it's a wild story. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know, I do really dislike when the people immediately
Speaker 2: are like, oh, so gun lost, don't you have it?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. Yes, it's like drillful. Its murders
Speaker 1: in a year, like that's like in a day in
Speaker 1: one state here. But oh, another more uplifting thing I
Speaker 1: was going to bring up is suddenly our podcasts Instagram
Speaker 1: page has become a clear the list site for teachers,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy. I'm happy to do it. So if
Speaker 1: you are interested in giving helping some teachers fulfill their
Speaker 1: Amazon wish lists. A lot of teachers do not get
Speaker 1: are not given a budget to get enough supplies that
Speaker 1: they need. The school year is creeping up on us,
Speaker 1: and these teachers need supplies to give their kids the
Speaker 1: best experience they can. So go to our Instagram and
Speaker 1: we have a highlight that's called teachers and just pick
Speaker 1: a like, don't go to the first one and donate
Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of people have given to
Speaker 1: that one already. Click through. Maybe maybe once a week
Speaker 1: you give a little ten dollars thing to someone until
Speaker 1: the school year starts. I don't know, just to thought,
Speaker 1: let's help some of our listeners money. I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to be like, okay, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of them and can the teachers please leave us.
Speaker 3: A love now?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just like it. If you go
Speaker 1: to the highlight, I'm sure everyone's gonna click on the
Speaker 1: first one and then it's like the person who I
Speaker 1: last posted is gonna be like cool, I got nothing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just that was another thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: shout out, but are we what do you think? So?
Speaker 1: And we got we should definitely start, but we did
Speaker 1: get a lot of feedback from people on the internet
Speaker 1: saying they do like dick Wolf babies. Yeah. Yeah, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we can't really make any merch that says dick Wolf
Speaker 1: babies on it unless we come up with a very
Speaker 1: creative way to do it. Well, I DMed him, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. Oh, yes, we did DM dick Wolf when
Speaker 1: we were a little bit drunk and ask him if
Speaker 1: he would mind if we used his name for some
Speaker 1: of our merch. So I do love partying. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good ending to our intro. It's fun. Like yesterday,
Speaker 1: I was so hungover all day and was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was so fun, Like I wish I didn't
Speaker 1: have so much fun because I'm paying for it today.
Speaker 1: But it was the best. I had a great night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I did it again and then oop oops,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get started. All right.
Speaker 2: We're in It's Daydream Believer season sixteen, and wildly we
Speaker 2: do start off with a previously seen little chunk, but
Speaker 2: it is so long the previously seen it's like, well.
Speaker 1: It has to be, don't you think, because it's like
Speaker 1: it's from Chicago p D which, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the percentage I don't know what the percent Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the percentage of people. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: this character of William Yates is introduced on Chicago PD
Speaker 1: and then crosses over to SVU because you know, criminals
Speaker 1: are moving from Illinois to New York constantly, and as
Speaker 1: the Dick Wolf universe would have you believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they all know each other. So it's a
Speaker 2: two parter crossover event. And it starts with a gray
Speaker 2: this so this is previously seen, starts with a gray haired,
Speaker 2: deep voiced man from Chicago p D. And he's zooming
Speaker 2: before zoom was in and he's talking to Olivia and
Speaker 2: so they had a case and it's very similar to
Speaker 2: a case that she had ten years ago, so you know.
Speaker 2: And on his desk I do see a Chicago flag
Speaker 2: I noticed, And then I think he has one of
Speaker 2: the old white max Do you remember the laptops that
Speaker 2: were white?
Speaker 1: Yes, my sister had one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are cool, not as cool as the colorful ones,
Speaker 2: but I.
Speaker 1: Liked that era. I could see those coming back also
Speaker 1: because like mid century modern is very like white lacquer,
Speaker 1: shiny white, you know what I mean. Like these fuckers
Speaker 1: don't they don't give us what we want and not
Speaker 1: learned that yet. How long have we been begging for
Speaker 1: the colorful laptop? Oh? Remember when you also told me
Speaker 1: that you thought they were bringing us bees back. They're not.
Speaker 1: When I went to the when I went to Macio,
Speaker 1: I heard you're bringing usbes back and they were like, nope,
Speaker 1: we're not, So fuck them. Fuck them. I just like,
Speaker 1: give me a home button, give me let me just
Speaker 1: wear my headphones and charge my phone. It's just fucked up.
Speaker 1: It even makes sense what they do. I know. Wait,
Speaker 1: so this guy's name is Voight. I don't even really
Speaker 1: know what his first name is, but Foight is this
Speaker 1: Hank Voight? And he's like very eh, And I feel
Speaker 1: like people did him and Olivia to get together in
Speaker 1: a crossover situation. We don't need another stabler. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: This is a long distance Olivia doesn't need a long
Speaker 1: distance romance. I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, but did you see the finale. I finally
Speaker 2: watched the finale of this latest season, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: they are, She's trying to find happiness. We'll see, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. So this case obviously involves rape
Speaker 2: and torture. But then on a twist. There's some torching
Speaker 2: as well, and then Benson.
Speaker 1: They wanted to leave the door open in case they
Speaker 1: wanted to involve Chicago fire as well. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly it. So Benson went.
Speaker 2: To Chicago to investigate the case, and there was a
Speaker 2: man who's always dressed in scrubs, and we see we
Speaker 2: see Danny Pino interrogating this man in scrubs and it's
Speaker 2: Yates aka Dallas Roberts, aka our new friend that we
Speaker 2: met in New York City. So the squad is looking
Speaker 2: at Yates and he's walking out. He looks up and
Speaker 2: down at Detective Nadia and then he ends up knocking
Speaker 2: her out in front of her car and kidnaps her
Speaker 2: and she's missing. And then this episode Daydream Believer begins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think Donnie is a detective. I
Speaker 1: think she's like a usinar. Yeah, she's like, oh you
Speaker 1: said that out later. Yeah, she works at Chicago p D. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically, Sophia Bush took a liking to this criminal
Speaker 2: and has moved her into her home and has coached
Speaker 2: her out of her bad life choices, and she wants
Speaker 2: to be a police officer. Big I just don't think
Speaker 2: there's that many criminals that are like, actually, now I
Speaker 2: want to be a cop.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way, there's no I just I kicked
Speaker 1: the heroin habit and now I want to work on
Speaker 1: the force. Yeah, I doubt it.
Speaker 2: There's no fucking way after you get arrested, and I
Speaker 2: just don't see how you're like, oh, I want to
Speaker 2: be the aggressor now. So now the real episode begins
Speaker 2: and we open on a Chicago police logo and deep voice.
Speaker 2: Hank and Sophia Bush are walking and talking. I didn't
Speaker 2: learn her character name, and I will be calling her
Speaker 2: Sophia Bush for the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't think. Oh, I think her last name
Speaker 1: is Lindsay, but I don't even remember what her first
Speaker 1: name is. Yeah, don't care, So no offense Sophia Bush.
Speaker 1: But she also has a very deep voice. What's going
Speaker 1: on in Chicago? Or not deep but like raspy, you know,
Speaker 1: like both of these two leads are like they have
Speaker 1: nodes on nodes. I don't know what drinking I don't know.
Speaker 1: Our friend Sean Patten once said people in Chicago drink
Speaker 1: like it's the best or worst day of their life.
Speaker 1: But every day, so maybe that's that's been funny the
Speaker 1: Mellor babes.
Speaker 2: So they're walking and talking, so I love that they
Speaker 2: do walk and talks in the Midwest as well. He
Speaker 2: says that son of a bitch was toying with us,
Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, he knew we were tracking his phone.
Speaker 2: He left it in the basement next to a lighter
Speaker 2: and nail polish. And we meet another detective with ideas
Speaker 2: and I refuse to learn who he is as well.
Speaker 2: And we have this guy's I pass and it's like
Speaker 2: a zoom thing for the holes if it's called something
Speaker 2: else where you live, and they have his credit cards,
Speaker 2: there's alerts on everything. They're tracking him, but he is good,
Speaker 2: you know, like they saw him only an hour ago
Speaker 2: and now he's fully lost.
Speaker 1: So all hands on deck. They're going to try to
Speaker 1: solve this crime.
Speaker 2: Now we realize they don't know that Nadya has been taken,
Speaker 2: so only we know, and I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: I love when the audience knows more than the characters.
Speaker 2: So gray hair Hank is trying to assign her work
Speaker 2: and then he's like, wait, where is she? And there's
Speaker 2: a posted note on her laptop and it says running
Speaker 2: an errand took Sophia Bush's car. Peace out, and they're pissed.
Speaker 2: They're like, she's running an errand, we need help. And
Speaker 2: then finally the undescript detective's like, she went to pick
Speaker 2: up her birthday cake. It was going to be a surprise,
Speaker 2: So that's cute. But then Sophia calls her straight to voicemail.
Speaker 2: So then gray Hair punches the file cabinet, very stabler vibes,
Speaker 2: and we cut to Yates super villain, driving a car
Speaker 2: with a struggling Nady in the backseat, wrapped in a
Speaker 2: tarp garbage bag situation, and he's singing dream Believer.
Speaker 1: So that's obviously where we get the name of the episode,
Speaker 1: and that is like a Monk. That's a very popular
Speaker 1: monkey song from back in the day, but this is
Speaker 1: a cover they're using. This is not the original song. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's now shopping at a very luxurious truck stop
Speaker 2: gas station or they stopped in the town, but this
Speaker 2: place had lots of shit, and he's helping a woman
Speaker 2: holding a baby carry shit, and that's you know, we
Speaker 2: learn this time and time again, the most charming helpful
Speaker 2: people are the worst killers and rapists of our time.
Speaker 2: Do not trust anyone that's nice to you. Yeah, don't
Speaker 2: trust men, whether their assholes are nice, they will throw
Speaker 2: you in the back of their car. Now they start
Speaker 2: talking nail polish names after he picks up a nail polish.
Speaker 2: What we can assume is for burning reasons, Like I
Speaker 2: doubt he's getting manicures.
Speaker 1: He paints all his victims nails with green nail polish. Yets.
Speaker 1: I looked up his full like Chicago background too, and
Speaker 1: it was like test saying that that's part of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He hates his mom obviously, so maybe
Speaker 1: it does something she wore green nail polish. I don't know, Wait,
Speaker 1: did it say something about his mom? Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: like sadistic as a child, and so his parents when
Speaker 1: they got pregnant with their second child, they like shipped
Speaker 1: him off to another family because they were scared for
Speaker 1: their new, new incoming child. And so he was raised
Speaker 1: by like a completely different family, and he feels abandoned
Speaker 1: by his mother, and it's obviously translated to his hatred
Speaker 1: towards women. Yeah, but they made the right choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have strangled his sibling, like yeah, like he
Speaker 1: was already killing animals or something like that and doing
Speaker 1: bad shit as a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when the mom walks away from that nice interaction,
Speaker 2: his face like drops, true manipulative nature shows. He walks
Speaker 2: back to the car, and as he's walking back, this
Speaker 2: like truck driver, like this friendly truck driver and a
Speaker 2: puffy vest walks up and it's like, hey, there's something
Speaker 2: moving in your car, and Yates tells the truth, like
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I kidnapped a girl and I threw
Speaker 2: her in the back.
Speaker 1: Don't you hate when you kidnap a girl?
Speaker 2: And she won't stop thrashing, And the truck driver looks concerned,
Speaker 2: and then he goes, I'm kidding, it's my dog, And
Speaker 2: then they laugh and separate, and that's the like why
Speaker 2: would you cover a dog with a tarp?
Speaker 1: Though, like, truck.
Speaker 2: Driver, your instincts were correct, but I also thought he
Speaker 2: was going to murder this truck driver, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he stayed alive. And so now he eats
Speaker 2: is a little more stressed out. He enters the car.
Speaker 2: He's not happy at the close call. He picks up
Speaker 2: the tarp she has tape on her mouth, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I told you to stop moving. So he does take
Speaker 2: the tape off her mouth and asks for a verbal yes,
Speaker 2: and like she's in an exit row on a plane, and.
Speaker 1: So she says yes.
Speaker 2: So she says they're gonna find you let me go,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to, and he touches her mouth
Speaker 2: with his fingers and says, no way, this is our honeymoon.
Speaker 2: And then the most chilling line, this is paradise compared
Speaker 2: to what's coming, Nadia.
Speaker 1: Not good.
Speaker 2: Then he tells her they're going to New York to
Speaker 2: achieve their dreams.
Speaker 1: Okay, So she.
Speaker 2: Starts pleading with him, and he says, you missed your shot.
Speaker 2: A trucker heard you, but I guess you weren't loud enough.
Speaker 2: So she starts screaming, but he pulls you know, he
Speaker 2: puts up the music. We can't hear her. She's too late.
Speaker 2: They drive off. We cut back to the Chicago offices.
Speaker 2: Two cops approached leather Daddy Gray and to let him
Speaker 2: know that Yates car was found. One of the cops
Speaker 2: is a Dick Wolf Staple like legit so many episodes
Speaker 2: of Chicago Beat one hundred and eighty six episodes twenty
Speaker 2: three in Chicago Fire and seven at Med and two
Speaker 2: SVUS in a Criminal Intent, So her other SVU was
Speaker 2: delinquent and it's the one with Rita Wilson. So then
Speaker 2: the man cop has also been in svu's two and
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this. He was in season eleven, episode
Speaker 2: eleven eleven eleven make a Wish, Love you guys, But
Speaker 2: the episode he's in his called Quickie. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: He's a woman in his gumbag and he spreads HIV
Speaker 2: to people, but he's not sorry about it. So one
Speaker 2: of his victims pours acid all over his face. But
Speaker 2: then his grandfather confesses secrets to him and kills himself
Speaker 2: out of guilt and begs for the son to be
Speaker 2: a better man. But once you have burned, I remember
Speaker 2: that you're nicer. So yeah, So these two guys are
Speaker 2: you know, in the Dick Wolf universe. Deep so pretty
Speaker 2: thrilling news. And then outside of the outside of Yates's
Speaker 2: car that they found, they also found Dune done a
Speaker 2: smash birthday cake, so he took Nadia. They finally realize it.
Speaker 2: Sophia Bush is a regular old Bell Benson and starts
Speaker 2: blaming herself and is like, oh god, my cake is
Speaker 2: what caused all of this?
Speaker 1: And it's like, get over yourself.
Speaker 2: And then a call comes into like HIV boy and
Speaker 2: he answers and he said there was a hit on
Speaker 2: Lindsay's car, so they rushed to get to the car.
Speaker 2: They surround the car with lots of lights, screaming for
Speaker 2: them to get out of the car, and it's a
Speaker 2: dorkman with glasses who comes out and he's like, wait,
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 1: And Yates switched the plates.
Speaker 2: So there's a woman and two kids in the car
Speaker 2: and they've been driving from Pennsylvania and the last time
Speaker 2: they stopped was Indiana and that's where Yates probably switched
Speaker 2: the plates. And then Hank is like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then finally it's the credits. Okay, I cannot believe.
Speaker 1: We are just at the credits. I know, No, I'm tired. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's just like a jam packed episode. It is jam packed.
Speaker 2: So open back at the NYC offices and Benson's talking
Speaker 2: to Chicago's Stabler and she's saying that Finn and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: filled her in and.
Speaker 1: They're really killing me. That you're never gonna call this
Speaker 1: man the same thing twice, Like he has ten nicknames already,
Speaker 1: and we just got out of the credits. Chicago's Stabler
Speaker 1: is so funny. I mean, he's one hundred percent that vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're thinking that he's coming back to New York.
Speaker 2: That's his favorite place to be, and they're putting out
Speaker 2: photos everywhere and both their car.
Speaker 1: You know, they're like trying to find this person.
Speaker 2: So the Chicago squad is gonna fly out to New
Speaker 2: York to help our tax dollars at work. And then
Speaker 2: he reveals that Nadia is a good kid and we
Speaker 2: know what he's doing to her, so we gotta we
Speaker 2: gotta help, We gotta be quick. And then Benson says,
Speaker 2: don't go there, but how can you not? Okay, So
Speaker 2: now we're back on Yates. His car has Jersey plates
Speaker 2: now and Nadia has moved to the trunk. He's talking
Speaker 2: to her chill like she is in kidnapped, but she
Speaker 2: asks to be let go, and he goes on a
Speaker 2: really scary monologue and he says, all the girls say that,
Speaker 2: and then soon you'll be begging for your life and
Speaker 2: then you'll be asking to call your mom. And she
Speaker 2: says nah, bitch, that won't be me and he says, yes,
Speaker 2: it will. And she says, if you kill me, Hank,
Speaker 2: Void's gonna track you down and wish that you were
Speaker 2: never born. And then she spits on him and she's wrong.
Speaker 2: Everything turns out terrible for her and the squad. To
Speaker 2: be honest, the Yates was on it. He slaps for
Speaker 2: his punishment, don't love that and closes the trunk. And
Speaker 2: now we're back at the sixteenth Precinct. Benson's wearing glasses,
Speaker 2: half hop half down hair do with a little baby hairclip,
Speaker 2: and it's all hands on deck. Everyone is working very hard,
Speaker 2: and Rollins is there in a flannel. They had important
Speaker 2: I've never seen her in a flannel.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Yeah, that definitely has like we woke
Speaker 1: her up in the middle of the night vibes, because
Speaker 1: she's normally pretty buttoned up in like blouses and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, out of white silk for some reason, always
Speaker 1: in a white, white silk top. She's like, you know,
Speaker 1: what'd be great for jogging through the city after criminals.
Speaker 1: White silk, Yeah, and a camel like trench coat. Peico.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's thess. So I caught the flannel.
Speaker 2: They had a hit on the stolen car or card
Speaker 2: not you know whatever. He's stealing cars, he's stealing cards.
Speaker 2: This is a lot of stuff to be tracking. So
Speaker 2: they did in Jersey. He bought an ice pick and
Speaker 2: a shovel. Not good, but at least Jersey. You know,
Speaker 2: we're close. We're close. He has to use a tunnel
Speaker 2: or a bridge to get into the city, so we'll
Speaker 2: get him. Caresy's skeptical though, and it's like, what, We're
Speaker 2: gonna stop everyone with a camera and Benson's like, no,
Speaker 2: just every white male with a camera, dummy.
Speaker 1: So then Rollin.
Speaker 2: Says they got a hit on Lindsay aka Sophia Bush's
Speaker 2: car and it's south of Broadway Bridge. So they go
Speaker 2: to this abandoned shipyard. The music is pumping. Chicago and
Speaker 2: New York are on the scene full winter where there's
Speaker 2: snow on the ground. They start going through it, Sofia
Speaker 2: looks worried into the distance. There is nobody, just ropes
Speaker 2: and tarps and shit, and then there's evidence of blood
Speaker 2: on a scarf that Lindsey had given her, and Hank's like,
Speaker 2: she left that for us.
Speaker 1: She's smart. It reminds me of the little girl who
Speaker 1: left her headphones shoved into the back of the car
Speaker 1: when the guy kidnapped her. Do you remember that episode?
Speaker 1: Very smart? If you're kidnapped, you gotta leave something shoved
Speaker 1: underneath the seat to prove you were there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's some forensic files about that, and yeah, you
Speaker 2: gotta try.
Speaker 1: Oh god, all right.
Speaker 2: So there's hope that she's alive though, so they're getting
Speaker 2: They shouldn't, but there's hope. So they're getting back up
Speaker 2: and the canine units come into work. Everyone's coming to work,
Speaker 2: and Benson assures Sophia we're gonna get him. She starts
Speaker 2: to cry a little and hugs Hank. We have a
Speaker 2: brunette with a bold lip getting out of a cab
Speaker 2: with a purple suitcase and a bag from duty Free.
Speaker 2: So she's having fun and she's talking on the cellphone.
Speaker 1: But she's a flight attendant, right, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like, if you're gonna get booze and you're a
Speaker 2: therap one might as well just pick something up at Yeah,
Speaker 2: get one of those clear bags. So the camera pulls
Speaker 2: up and we see Yates on the street and he
Speaker 2: starts to watch her and he SIPs coffee. He smiles
Speaker 2: and crosses the street and he says, do you need
Speaker 2: help with that? And she's like, thank you and lets
Speaker 2: him go inside her building. You never want to blame
Speaker 2: a victim, but to let this man carry your luggage
Speaker 2: inside of your home, I can't.
Speaker 1: It's also a carry on, and you're a flight attendant.
Speaker 1: You know how to carry your own shit, like the
Speaker 1: Alisa was recently traveling with a sixty pound huge away bag.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need a little help with that, maybe, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking the little baby carry on now.
Speaker 2: I just love when you do have a heavy suitcase
Speaker 2: like I do. Often it is every Uber driver has
Speaker 2: something to say, so he's like, oh it's.
Speaker 1: Heavy, yeah, oh youh god.
Speaker 2: Here they're always and I'm like, yeah, this is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: You think I like this. I want that big away though,
Speaker 1: Like whenever I pack that big away it's always overweight,
Speaker 1: Like it's just impossible to like not have that be
Speaker 1: weigh a thousand pounds. Like That's why I didn't mind
Speaker 1: picking yours up and putting it in the Uber for you,
Speaker 1: because I was like, this is me. Every time I
Speaker 1: travel with my kids, I always have that big ass away.
Speaker 1: It's just like, is it not an ad?
Speaker 2: No, But if I had just maybe worn fifty percent
Speaker 2: of what I brought, then I'd feel better about it.
Speaker 2: But like, I didn't wear most of it, and that
Speaker 2: is what hurts my heart. So then now we're back, Okay,
Speaker 2: So this bitch let this guy in, and the next
Speaker 2: shot is there's signs of a struggle in the apartment.
Speaker 2: The luggage is on the floor, there's a lamp on
Speaker 2: the floor, the sofa's turned over, and then we see
Speaker 2: this girl.
Speaker 1: She's on the ground.
Speaker 2: She's not dead, but he's putting tape on her mouth
Speaker 2: and she's beat up and bloody.
Speaker 1: This is not going good.
Speaker 2: And then in walks another woman, but she just starts
Speaker 2: screaming and she's just frozen.
Speaker 1: She's in shock in action.
Speaker 2: He just closes the door very calmly and knocks her
Speaker 2: the fuck out, And now he's like out of breath
Speaker 2: but getting turned on, and there's like a sheen of
Speaker 2: sweat over him, and he's just like he's just getting
Speaker 2: pumped up for what's.
Speaker 1: About to happen. I don't I don't love it.
Speaker 2: So now we're at a very active crime scene and
Speaker 2: Hank approaches, asking if it was Yates and Benson and
Speaker 2: Rollins are there to say, I mean maybe, and Sophia
Speaker 2: is one track mind. She's like Nadia, Nadia, No, Nadia
Speaker 2: is not here, and these were flight attendants and they
Speaker 2: were sexually assaulted with their skulls cracked, and Cariese's talking
Speaker 2: to a witness who's sad because they were so young,
Speaker 2: and Sofia comes over to a super slick backgeled hair
Speaker 2: CARESI and he shows her a bunch of He shows
Speaker 2: the witness a bunch of white man faces and she
Speaker 2: points to Yates, but also a different one, so she
Speaker 2: doesn't know exactly what it is, but she said that
Speaker 2: he just had the nicest smile, but cannot point him
Speaker 2: out and does not know where he left, like what
Speaker 2: direction he went. The detectives walk away, like if he
Speaker 2: had time with these two, where the fuck is Nadia?
Speaker 2: They all meet up and they need to find him.
Speaker 2: Benson says, there's a reason he's in this fucking neighborhoo,
Speaker 2: and we need to find out something from his past
Speaker 2: that ties him to Elmhurst. It cuts to Yates following
Speaker 2: a woman holding a bouquet of flowers, and he has
Speaker 2: a dirty smile, he's so busy, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: And we do a quick cut to Hank walking out
Speaker 2: of a basement apartment aka.
Speaker 1: The lower level or on my Luman heads out there.
Speaker 1: Good night from the lower level.
Speaker 2: So we do a quick cut to Hank walking out
Speaker 2: of the basement apartment aka the lower level, saying, this
Speaker 2: guy is an animal and they can't believe he just
Speaker 2: charms his way into these women's homes. There is no
Speaker 2: forced entry, but he is getting sloppy and it's either
Speaker 2: because he knows that they're closing in.
Speaker 1: On him, so he has to do his last hurrah.
Speaker 2: But shit is wild, like the doors are being held open,
Speaker 2: the bodies are visible, so what's going on? Christie and
Speaker 2: Sophia run over with important news. He has a parking
Speaker 2: ticket from years ago and it happened three blocks from
Speaker 2: this location, so we must live close by.
Speaker 1: Finally, Finn is here. I've missed his ass.
Speaker 2: He says that he was ided by someone in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood and confirmed a white man followed a woman into
Speaker 2: this house.
Speaker 1: But why didn't you do anything about it?
Speaker 2: So the whole team is here and we're about to
Speaker 2: break down the door and enter into Yates's home and
Speaker 2: they scream NYPD, and he's legit, just like with a
Speaker 2: woman eating calmly, and they don't seem stressed at all,
Speaker 2: as I would be if police just entered my home
Speaker 2: that aggressively. And Hank says, where is she? And he
Speaker 2: acts like he doesn't know what he's talking about. So
Speaker 2: Hank picks him up by his collar and throws him
Speaker 2: and holds him on the wall, and Sophia protects the
Speaker 2: woman and moves her away. Amaro takes and arrests him,
Speaker 2: and then the woman is like, we're having lunch, what's up?
Speaker 2: And Finn's like, you know this guy and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my fiance.
Speaker 1: So they all look shocked as hell. He looks really satisfied.
Speaker 2: And now we're back at the squad and rollins is
Speaker 2: an interrogation with the e with the Eights, and Hank
Speaker 2: tells the nondescript white man from the Chicago PD who
Speaker 2: just flew in, that we need a bad cop in there.
Speaker 2: So he enters to play some role playing games on
Speaker 2: and he's doing some lying and playing naive and they're
Speaker 2: trying to get some info from him, and he says
Speaker 2: that he was on edge and that Chicago PD was
Speaker 2: after him, so he was just going to visit the
Speaker 2: station and clear things up. But then he just ran
Speaker 2: into Nadia and she thought it was a bad idea
Speaker 2: and so but so then he offered her a ride
Speaker 2: because she needed to get out of town but didn't
Speaker 2: want to do it alone, and so he went with it.
Speaker 2: Like I don't even how is this story believable at
Speaker 2: all in any capacity?
Speaker 1: Like it's like, this is the worst lie ever.
Speaker 2: Yes, Nadia wanted to hang out and take a road
Speaker 2: trip with you, a fucking stranger.
Speaker 1: She had a cake with her, a stranger that she
Speaker 1: knows the Chicago PED is looking at for like several murders.
Speaker 2: Like it's wild, wild, So there's a huge audience watching
Speaker 2: in the middle of the you know, fish room, like
Speaker 2: the spy area. All the detectives are there. Hank's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is this a date or an interrogation?
Speaker 2: And he's not liking good cop Rollins and he knows
Speaker 2: the clock is sticking.
Speaker 1: But Benson's like, chill out, let you know, let her
Speaker 1: manipulate him. Relax. Yeah, this is some of Rollins's best
Speaker 1: flirt work. Later late in later episodes, I feel like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Carisy agrees, like, I don't think this is gonna work.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna give like, I don't think
Speaker 2: he's gonna give up information. But Finn and Benson do
Speaker 2: believe in her skills. So Crisee's like, well, maybe the girlfriend,
Speaker 2: that's who's gonna crack. And so the girlfriend is in
Speaker 2: the fancier, classier interrogation room and Sophia Bush and Amaro
Speaker 2: in there, and basically the fiance has been with Yates
Speaker 2: for nineteen years, on and off.
Speaker 1: They met in med school, on and off. We were
Speaker 1: on a break.
Speaker 2: They moved to New York together, but only got engaged
Speaker 2: that day. He never wanted to commit, but it works
Speaker 2: for her because they never lived together. And they're like,
Speaker 2: you never thought that was strange, And she's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. He's busy, he needs a loone time to
Speaker 2: hike and bike. I don't give a fuck what Mark.
Speaker 1: Is like his motivation asking that woman to marry him,
Speaker 1: like when he knows the cops are closing in on
Speaker 1: him and shit, Like I thought maybe it was like
Speaker 1: he was going to try to marry her real quick
Speaker 1: so she couldn't so there'd be like spousal privilege, but like,
Speaker 1: well because like nineteen years she probably has seen some shit,
Speaker 1: maybe even though she seems dumb.
Speaker 2: Well, in the future episodes with Yates, we find out
Speaker 2: like he could tell that she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: That's right, Sorry, you're right, And so he liked that.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what, Like, couldn't black that out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can like smell if you're pregnant. Yeah, he does
Speaker 1: it to Rolins too. Oh yeah, you go to see
Speaker 1: this doctor. He just smells you and goes, I know
Speaker 1: exactly what's wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Amaro's like, babe, you don't know who he is, like,
Speaker 2: and he starts showing her the missing person flyers of
Speaker 2: women that have disappeared, and that all these people disappeared
Speaker 2: anytime he was in a town. So we went to
Speaker 2: Duke and women were disappearing New York, New Orleans, Chicago.
Speaker 2: They were all right, beaten, burned, and Greg lived in
Speaker 2: all the cities where it happened. Before we can see
Speaker 2: what this girlfriend's gonna say, we cut back to you
Speaker 2: saying that Nadia saw him as a father figure. Bad
Speaker 2: cop is getting mad. Rollins asked, what do you think happened?
Speaker 2: To her since you were you know, the last one
Speaker 2: to see her, and he says, I mean she's a
Speaker 2: hot girl in New York, she went to party. Who
Speaker 2: knows what happened? And Rollins is thinking she's slick, and
Speaker 2: she asks, oh, where would someone like that take her?
Speaker 2: And he catches onto the game, but he's also you know,
Speaker 2: he's into it, so he plays along and says he
Speaker 2: would take her to a remote location where he would
Speaker 2: do whatever he wanted to her and then take her
Speaker 2: body to a special sacred place, and that he would
Speaker 2: visit her every once in a while maybe, And so
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the OJ Simpson thing of like
Speaker 2: I didn't do it, but if I did, so that's
Speaker 2: the vibe of the speech. And then he looks directly
Speaker 2: under the two way mirror because he knows who's watching,
Speaker 2: and he's like, maybe I would even defile her again.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, he goes, so sorry this happened to you.
Speaker 2: I know you must be sad and you're living a
Speaker 2: you know, you're living in hell wondering what even happened
Speaker 2: to her body? And Hank Wanson Finn stops him and
Speaker 2: you know, like, let Amanda do this, okay, relax. We're
Speaker 2: back on the girlfriend who's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not my that's not my little yate se And
Speaker 2: she thinks they're lying to her.
Speaker 1: They're pleading with her.
Speaker 2: They start showing her more evidence him at the truck
Speaker 2: stop buying an ice pick, stolen credit cards. The girlfriend
Speaker 2: starts looking worried and confused. They show more items in
Speaker 2: the car and she says, you're lying. You're not lying.
Speaker 2: I know that you're lying because he was at the beach.
Speaker 2: He had sand in his shoes. He sat at the
Speaker 2: beach and that's where he decided to propose to me.
Speaker 2: And she even calls the beach his special place, ding
Speaker 2: ding ding What beach? And now we're at Pelham Bay
Speaker 2: Park in the Bronx. So many cops white, like has
Speaker 2: matt suit people everywhere, and like the beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many people at the beach. He got a
Speaker 1: lot fucking done. This guy too, he like cruised in
Speaker 1: from Chicago, got these two flight attendants, like was able
Speaker 1: to drop bodies in the Bronx, head to Elmhurst to
Speaker 1: see his fiance. This man is zooming around Manhattan at a.
Speaker 2: Stay and before lunch, before lunch, made it back for lunch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't see the bodies at the beach, but you know,
Speaker 2: they're also like, this is such a busy public space,
Speaker 2: like how could he do it?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, the woods are more sacred. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's in the woods.
Speaker 2: And they find old ass bones, lots of bones, hands,
Speaker 2: they've been there for years. My god, Benson says. Then
Speaker 2: suddenly they find nautium. Sophia starts crying. Amorro says, sorry,
Speaker 2: she is dead. She's under the tarp, she's naked and
Speaker 2: there's blood on her face and it's sad. We come
Speaker 2: back from a long black fade out to someone's hand
Speaker 2: flipping through the crime scene photos on an iPad, and
Speaker 2: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Who's hands are these? It's Barbara.
Speaker 2: So he's with Hank and Benson at a long table
Speaker 2: and so far they've found seven remains and they're still
Speaker 2: working through the night to find more, and they're looking
Speaker 2: at dental records. They're going to match up the victims,
Speaker 2: but there's no forensics, unfortunately, so it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 2: He is a smart doctor. Everything he does is random.
Speaker 2: He chooses the victims at random. Sometimes he burns, sometimes
Speaker 2: he buries. And no evidence ever, Like there's no blood
Speaker 2: on him for his latest victims, and no DNA of
Speaker 2: his in their apartments. I don't understand how because there's
Speaker 2: obviously a scuffle in that first apartment, like the couch was. Like,
Speaker 2: I just can't believe he's left no evidence because he's
Speaker 2: not dexter dressed either, like.
Speaker 1: His hair is falling around. I was gonna say he
Speaker 1: might know how to like bleach shit down, but yeah, hair,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Other stuff like that's that is wild.
Speaker 2: And then one of the women, one of the flight attendants,
Speaker 2: did survive the attack from earlier, but she has way
Speaker 2: too much brain damage to id him. And Barbara is
Speaker 2: getting really frustrated, and Benson has an idea Nadia was
Speaker 2: not random.
Speaker 1: That was a screw you to the Chicago PD.
Speaker 2: So Barba asked if they have any evidence of them
Speaker 2: being together in the car, and they do. You know,
Speaker 2: he admits driving together, So that's the best case to pursue.
Speaker 2: So we're at court on an April fifteenth day, and
Speaker 2: Yates wants to represent himself.
Speaker 1: Of course, all the psychos do.
Speaker 2: The judge presiding this case is Elena Barth, light red
Speaker 2: hair with hoops, and Melinda Warner's on the stand, what
Speaker 2: a little blessing, and we hear her voice and we
Speaker 2: see the jury passing down photos as she explains that
Speaker 2: the evidence shows that Nadia was struck over and over
Speaker 2: with a heavy object and was strangled bound like she
Speaker 2: just you know, gives the rundown of all the stuff
Speaker 2: that's happening. I mean, we know Yates is about to
Speaker 2: pull some nonsense, and so it's his turn to ask questions.
Speaker 2: And he asked if the evidence that showed sexual traumas
Speaker 2: the same evidence that would be there for an active
Speaker 2: sex worker, and she says to some extent, and he
Speaker 2: says nothing further, Dick. And now it's Sofia on the
Speaker 2: stand and Barba is softballing questions to Sophia, and then
Speaker 2: Yates says an objection, it is sustained. So that's like
Speaker 2: embarrassing for Barbara, Like that's.
Speaker 1: Like not a real lawyer can object you. It's just
Speaker 1: get it together, Barba.
Speaker 2: I'm scared for what Yates is about to do to
Speaker 2: her in the stand. So Yates asks how she met Nadia,
Speaker 2: and basically she arrested her for working as an escort
Speaker 2: and she was on drugs and addicted to heroin when
Speaker 2: she was arrested, and the camera goes to the jury
Speaker 2: as one woman changes her face like I guess she
Speaker 2: was supposed to be murdered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they always get that with like these people that
Speaker 1: played jurors that are like hmm, like the face that's
Speaker 1: like heroin. Yeah, you kind of had it coming, sweetheart,
Speaker 1: Like it's fucked. Yeah, but that's how people are. It's
Speaker 1: just like most people, they're just on it reads on
Speaker 1: their faces so perfectly, you know. Yeah, it's Yeah.
Speaker 2: What I keep thinking about is people on juries that
Speaker 2: are like these anti abortion people that are like, well
Speaker 2: just close your legs and that's it, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the Yeah, you're right, you just solved a big problem.
Speaker 2: It's like these dense as people who don't see anything.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like because she was on heroine, she dug herself
Speaker 2: a shallow grave and jumped right in it and assaulted herself.
Speaker 2: So anyways, she did rehab, she was clean, she's been sober.
Speaker 1: They became roommates. They hung out every day for a year.
Speaker 1: They're besties.
Speaker 2: And then he calls Nadia a little rescue project and
Speaker 2: how I guess you failed. Then Barbara doesn't objection, and
Speaker 2: Elena is like, you're done. Mystery ates, and then he
Speaker 2: goes okay, Doki and just sits down like this is
Speaker 2: not affecting him at all. Sophia shakes her head in
Speaker 2: disbelief that this just happened, that, like, you know, Nadia
Speaker 2: was just discredited fully because of her you know, tumultuous past.
Speaker 2: She gets off the stand feeling bad but she tried
Speaker 2: her best. But her and Hank are not happy with
Speaker 2: the way he portrayed Nadia. Hank approaches Barba like you're
Speaker 2: gonna let him talk about her like that, and they
Speaker 2: have a tense little scuffle in the hallway of the courtroom,
Speaker 2: and Barba's like he's charming. He lured all these women
Speaker 2: to their deaths with his charm, Like I'm fucking trying.
Speaker 1: He he's a trickster.
Speaker 2: So him and Benson go to prepmore, but Benson says,
Speaker 2: give me a second to go talk to her, you know,
Speaker 2: her friends from Chicago, and she says, maybe you don't
Speaker 2: want to be in the courtroom and he goes, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: I do, and then storms off to go listen.
Speaker 1: To emo music in his room. And like punch a pillow.
Speaker 2: So now Benson is now on the stand and Barba
Speaker 2: is questioning her. She's saying that they found Deanna and
Speaker 2: Lindsay's car and bled from the victim, and he claimed
Speaker 2: that Nadi and him into the car. He did not
Speaker 2: explain the blood, but he said he was sure that
Speaker 2: she must have suffered. First question out the gate for
Speaker 2: Yates is to asks you don't like me, do you?
Speaker 2: And Barbara objecks Elena sustains it questions to the case.
Speaker 2: Only he starts digging as to why Benson was in
Speaker 2: Chicago with the case and how it was similar to
Speaker 2: an old case and like they had other suspects, right,
Speaker 2: it wasn't on me, And she's like, yeah, there were
Speaker 2: tons of suspects and lots of leads, and we looked
Speaker 2: into all of them, which I think makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: But then the other suspects was Will hall Stead, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, where is this going?
Speaker 1: Where is this going?
Speaker 2: Because basically Benson says they talked to this guy because
Speaker 2: he knew another woman that had gone missing, and that
Speaker 2: he's trying to pin it on this guy, so that's
Speaker 2: what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1: So this guy came.
Speaker 2: To Chicago right before that victim and works at the
Speaker 2: same hospital as the victim. So this Will Hallstead guy
Speaker 2: is a doctor at this hospital and the victim knows him.
Speaker 1: And they talked to him and.
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, but we ruled him out because of
Speaker 2: an alibi, and Yates is smiling, so it's a bad sign.
Speaker 2: And basically the alibi was confirmed by Chicago Intelligence Unit,
Speaker 2: which is the nondescript white guy and so his name.
Speaker 2: So what we learn is the nondescript cop is Halstead,
Speaker 2: who is brothers with the doctor. So this cop brother
Speaker 2: is the alibi for this doctor. So this is fucking
Speaker 2: shady and Chicago should have taken care of this.
Speaker 1: This is like such sloppy way. It looks bad, bad optics,
Speaker 1: for sure, it's so bad.
Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, you went to find someone else
Speaker 2: to pin the murder on. You're trying to defend this brother,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, the doctor was cleared because he didn't
Speaker 2: do it. He Gates asked if they asked where he
Speaker 2: was when Nadia went missing, and Benson says no, and
Speaker 2: he says, well, I guess you didn't want to know
Speaker 2: that didn't you.
Speaker 1: So that was a really good line of questioning.
Speaker 2: And we're back in the hallway and Hall said, is
Speaker 2: trying to excuse this sloppy bs to Sophia Rollins and
Speaker 2: Hank and Finn, and Fing goes he's smart, and Hank
Speaker 2: says he's scum.
Speaker 1: I just love this. Rollin says he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He gets off on torture even if it's in court.
Speaker 1: They enter the elevator and the doors closed very dramatically,
Speaker 1: and then we open back up at the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: Part twenty one and Yates is on the stand and
Speaker 1: he's claiming that he saw Nadia outside the police station
Speaker 1: and that she warned him that the police were looking
Speaker 1: for a patsy and he should watch out.
Speaker 2: Like the story keeps changing. I hate him. And that's
Speaker 2: when you decided to move to New York with her?
Speaker 1: Like what is happening?
Speaker 2: And he said, no, you decided to leave with her
Speaker 2: when she described what Chicago Pede was doing to her. Barba,
Speaker 2: come on, get him, Like that's all I keep thinking about.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get this motherfucker. And also Yates has co
Speaker 1: counsel and it's this woman in Tweed and we'll be
Speaker 1: calling her tweed for the rest of the show.
Speaker 2: And he and like, he's a surgeon, so he's fucking rich.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure she's like a really good lawyer. So
Speaker 2: Yeates says that the boss, Hank Void, was making her
Speaker 2: have sex with him, and so Yates was helping her escape.
Speaker 2: He wanted to stop the boss from raping her, and
Speaker 2: she was just strawt and wanted to get high. And
Speaker 2: as she got to New York, she wents to go
Speaker 2: get a fix. And now Barbara, on his second objection
Speaker 2: during the line of questioning for hearsay like, you can't
Speaker 2: fucking talk like that, and it is sustained. He said
Speaker 2: his last impression of Nadia was that she had a
Speaker 2: look in her eye that she was jonesing and that
Speaker 2: she just you know, was gonna go prostitute herself and
Speaker 2: get drugs. And he knows this because of his medical experience,
Speaker 2: and this dumb ass jury is gonna believe all of it.
Speaker 2: And now it's Barbara's turn, and he's like, so she
Speaker 2: told you that she wanted to leave with you, why
Speaker 2: did she want to do that?
Speaker 1: In that moment she left behind.
Speaker 2: Two thousand dollars in her savings, account, all her clothes,
Speaker 2: all her belongings, and just left with you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, get him, Jade and like, and Barbara goes.
Speaker 2: So she wanted to leave all her friends at NA
Speaker 2: and all her new friends that she made, and Yates
Speaker 2: calls her desperate and he starts babbling about other shit
Speaker 2: and Barbara and the judge won't let him, like, no, bitch,
Speaker 2: you just answer the question. You cannot be babbling. And
Speaker 2: Barba then asked, did Nadia know you were a suspect
Speaker 2: for brutal rape murders? And he said yes, So you're
Speaker 2: telling me this entire squad is looking for you for
Speaker 2: rape and murder. And she decides to just hop in
Speaker 2: with you and do a cross country little road trip
Speaker 2: and Barbara goes with you know. He withdraws and says
Speaker 2: nothing Further. Yates redirects and says that her emotional state
Speaker 2: was that she was under hanks control. He was raping her,
Speaker 2: and this lady lawyer is like trying to stop him
Speaker 2: and is like, stop, please stop talking, please stop talking.
Speaker 1: But obviously Yates is not going.
Speaker 2: To listen to a woman, and he starts creaking his
Speaker 2: neck like he did you know earlier with his horny
Speaker 2: rage murder vibe at the stewardess's apartment and Barbara looks
Speaker 2: at Benson and they nod at each other, and Benson
Speaker 2: and Rollins meet in the hallway and tell Barbara go
Speaker 2: a job, and Rollins is like, you saw what we saw,
Speaker 2: Like we all saw the same thing and the real
Speaker 2: Greg yates and it's like yeah, and I hope the
Speaker 2: jury saw it.
Speaker 1: And then Barbara goes, don't worry, they will. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: is like Dallas Roberts is like so good because just
Speaker 1: this like that horny like trance he goes into when
Speaker 1: he's like about to kill someone or thinking about killing
Speaker 1: the act of killing is really it's so fucking creepy.
Speaker 1: He's really good.
Speaker 2: It's really good because it's it's like evil and turned on.
Speaker 2: And he's a great actor. You know, he's a theater boy.
Speaker 2: He's a theater boy. So we're back at court and
Speaker 2: Melinda is back on the stand and Barbara's gonna ask
Speaker 2: her to go through the injuries again and tweet Jackets
Speaker 2: like we already did this, and Barba says, I mean,
Speaker 2: you said the victim was a sex worker, and I
Speaker 2: have the right to refute that, and the judge agrees,
Speaker 2: So we let Barbara go to work and he displays
Speaker 2: the photos open on his own desk. So Barbara like
Speaker 2: takes the photos of all the injuries and dead body
Speaker 2: stuff and puts them on the desk so Yats can
Speaker 2: clearly see them, and they're very gruesome, and Yates is
Speaker 2: looking he can't stop. And Melinda says that there was
Speaker 2: no DNA evidence that would say she was prostituting herself,
Speaker 2: and the lube was the same in both holes. It's
Speaker 2: like a sentence. I didn't want to say, Oh God.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that sentence, but now I'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: So she was assaulted in both places by the same person,
Speaker 2: that is what she is saying is very likely, and
Speaker 2: the damage happened at the same time. So then Barbara
Speaker 2: goes and picks up the photo of the dead head
Speaker 2: and like fully is turning it to Yates, like full horizontal,
Speaker 2: like shoving it in his face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even a cheating, it's like a full
Speaker 1: I want to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And oh my god, did you watch the hocus
Speaker 2: Pocus two trailer came out this morning?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, So anyways, so Benson nods. She's like getting wet
Speaker 2: for what's about to happen. And then Barba sits down,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was a quick line of questioning
Speaker 2: because this is all just a ploy, and I wonder
Speaker 2: if from Melinda's in on it, but I think she is,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure. So then Elena the judge asks
Speaker 2: if there will be a cross and at the same
Speaker 2: time Yates says yes, and tweet Jacket says no, and
Speaker 2: then they little they do a little whisper and he
Speaker 2: says yes, yes, and gets up and says he has
Speaker 2: a few questions, and then Yates asked Barbara ta examin
Speaker 2: the photos, and Barbara goes, yeah, of course, babes anything
Speaker 2: for you. So he picks them up and he can't
Speaker 2: even focus. He's just going through them, and it seems
Speaker 2: like forever that he's looking, and Elena is like, Yates,
Speaker 2: do you have any questions? And he says yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: But and finally he asks kid her injuries be the
Speaker 2: result of sex work, and Melinda says, I've said this
Speaker 2: eight thousand times.
Speaker 1: I know No, it is not likely, bitch, it is
Speaker 1: not likely.
Speaker 2: She was fucking savage, And he asks how so, and
Speaker 2: Melinda goes into the details of all the injuries, and
Speaker 2: he starts asking more and more specific questions about the injuries.
Speaker 2: And I mean, he says anal sphincter. It's like not
Speaker 2: a fun line of sentences. I thought of that when
Speaker 2: I was lying in bed this morning. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh remember when he said that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to tell you what happened to
Speaker 2: the anal sphincter. I'll tell you that much respect then
Speaker 2: as or I thought if I type it, the government
Speaker 2: would come arrest me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So then he asked like was it painful and she
Speaker 2: says yes, it was a slow, painful death. And he
Speaker 2: asks how long she survived after first attack and would
Speaker 2: she be in agony the whole time?
Speaker 1: And the judge is like, Barbara, do you have any objections?
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, no, I'm fine, your honor, thank you.
Speaker 1: But what would the objection be about, Like here's say
Speaker 1: or like irrelevance, Like this guy's just jerking off to
Speaker 1: the details of the you know, like the horrors, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, I just probably irrelevance. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not a lawyer, but I would imagine.
Speaker 2: So he keeps asking if she was in a lot
Speaker 2: of pain. He likes knowing she was in pain. Melinda
Speaker 2: turns to make eye contact with the judge and they
Speaker 2: have a moment like what the fuck? And he is
Speaker 2: full creepy and Melinda's letting him know every detail that
Speaker 2: he wants to hear, and he asks, like what goes
Speaker 2: through a victim's head through her final moments in life?
Speaker 2: And finally the tweet jacket, It's like stop, can I
Speaker 2: can I talk to my client? And Gates is like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dude, I'm about to be hard. And then
Speaker 2: she asks for a short recess and he tells her
Speaker 2: to sit down, and so then he starts talking about
Speaker 2: fear adrenaline.
Speaker 1: You know, he's cracking his neck.
Speaker 2: He asks if she had awareness of what was going on,
Speaker 2: like did she know these were the final moments of
Speaker 2: her life? And then he loses it and fully starts screaming,
Speaker 2: come on, doctor, we are both medical people.
Speaker 1: Use your knowledge. And then he checks out the jury
Speaker 1: and finally he sees that they are horrified, creeped out
Speaker 1: and confused, like their faces have changed fully, and so
Speaker 1: he like snaps back into reality and easy. Breezy goes,
Speaker 1: or don't. That didn't make me laugh? And then he's
Speaker 1: use your knowledge or don't.
Speaker 2: He's so talented, and he goes back and sits down,
Speaker 2: and Tweed can't even look at him, like I think.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, I gotta stay safe.
Speaker 2: Benson looks hot, and then it's jury reading time, and
Speaker 2: this woman says rape and sodomy guilty, murder first degree guilty.
Speaker 2: Elena puts his ass in custody from until sentencing. Hank
Speaker 2: shakes Barba's hand. Yates looks at Hank. He gets carried off. Okay,
Speaker 2: So now everyone's at the cop bar and then there's
Speaker 2: a giant American flag and Holes said goes, we will
Speaker 2: miss her.
Speaker 1: They're all very quiet.
Speaker 2: Sophia raises her drink and says tonati and they all cheers,
Speaker 2: and Finn is drinking red wine. I didn't know that,
Speaker 2: and he has and he had a ring on, and Benson,
Speaker 2: of course is drinking red wine.
Speaker 1: And then a bunch of them have liquor, and Caresy
Speaker 1: has a beer bottle, and now it's courthouse holding time,
Speaker 1: and Hank goes to sea Yates and starts choking him
Speaker 1: so obviously like he you know, sweet talked his way
Speaker 1: into the cell and starts choking the shit out of
Speaker 1: him and says, you didn't see me coming because you
Speaker 1: dropped your guard for a second. And he's choking, and
Speaker 1: he says it's really kind of hot. He goes, I
Speaker 1: can end this now, I can snap your neck and
Speaker 1: strangle you. Am I, Yates, I love this, Okay, So
Speaker 1: then he lets him go to cough and they put
Speaker 1: him in a cell. I realize in his full suit,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you could put someone in a
Speaker 1: cell with a tie on. I was like, that's like definitely,
Speaker 1: remember one, you don't get to wear a tie into
Speaker 1: jail as you've just been like convicted. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: that too, full full suit.
Speaker 2: But Hank goes super close to sim and says, what's
Speaker 2: the hurry. I want to make you feel what others feel,
Speaker 2: the pain, the fear, looking over your shoulder when you
Speaker 2: eat or take a leak, and sleeping with both eyes open,
Speaker 2: and someone will do to you what you did to Nadia.
Speaker 2: It's coming and Yates look serious, and then it's the
Speaker 2: end of an incredible episode.
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you Lisa, what a good recap that was
Speaker 1: like so speedy for a jam packed episode too, because
Speaker 1: I think we were worried because you saw how many
Speaker 1: pages it was. But I guess you know I was.
Speaker 1: But it moves at a clip this episode.
Speaker 2: But sometimes my lines are just like whoa, and then
Speaker 2: it's the.
Speaker 1: Next line like, I don't it's not like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say about a page of your notes are
Speaker 1: just your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, side thoughts, okay, yeah, just in little increments. I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about that. You know what else fucks
Speaker 2: me up? With the beach scene. I kept anticipating the
Speaker 2: beach scene from Hunting Ground.
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about where all the dogs are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I have the exact same experience. And that's
Speaker 1: interesting that you say that. And we'll get into that
Speaker 1: right after the break when we talk about the true crime. Okay,
Speaker 1: we are back and this episode listen. I understand that
Speaker 1: some of you are probably waiting for me to talk
Speaker 1: about Ted Bundy. I think that this is really this character.
Speaker 1: There's really a mashup of Ted Bundy and the Long
Speaker 1: Island serial killer. There's plenty of Bundy similarities, the charm
Speaker 1: he killed across state lines, like Yates does. At one
Speaker 1: point he escaped, which later happens with Yates he represented
Speaker 1: himself in court. There's definitely a lot of Bundy similarities,
Speaker 1: but there's also so much Bundy stuff out there, Like
Speaker 1: if you don't know a bunch about Bundy, like I
Speaker 1: don't know where, Like there's just so much body. It
Speaker 1: was random, right, Like everything was random. He didn't kill
Speaker 1: the same way always, Yeah, yeah, he was random. And
Speaker 1: I but like, I think we will cover Ted Bundy
Speaker 1: at another point based on another episode. I'm sure, And
Speaker 1: I've read a ton about Ted Bundy and I'd love
Speaker 1: to talk about it. It's just I really wanted to
Speaker 1: cover the Long Island serial Killer here, and I'm so
Speaker 1: glad I did, because holy shit, I knew nothing even
Speaker 1: though I lived in New York at the time of
Speaker 1: all these bodies being found, and I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe I didn't dive deeper into this before this episode.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to talk about this. If you
Speaker 1: can't tell, I'm just jazz to talk about this murderer. So,
Speaker 1: the Long Island serial Killer, who's also referred to as
Speaker 1: Lisk or the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist ripper.
Speaker 1: That's less because I think there's other Craigslist killers out there.
Speaker 1: Is a serial killer who is believed to have murdered
Speaker 1: between ten and sixteen people from around nineteen ninety six
Speaker 1: to twenty ten. He disposed of their bodies on the
Speaker 1: south shore of Long Island, New York. Most of the
Speaker 1: known victims were sex workers who advertised on Craigslist. And
Speaker 1: he's still unidentified. And oh, yes, we do not know
Speaker 1: who the cigst We do not know who the Long
Speaker 1: Island Killer. So in theory, he could be listening to
Speaker 1: this in theory. When I had a job with my
Speaker 1: friend Chris de Luca, very funny comedy writer, I had
Speaker 1: a job with him and he always thought one of
Speaker 1: our bosses was the Long Killer. And he'd be like,
Speaker 1: do you see the mud on his shoes? Like he
Speaker 1: would always like point things out because we work together.
Speaker 1: Right as the Long Island Killer like got like the
Speaker 1: bodies got discovered, and he would always be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know that guy lives on Long Island. Like he
Speaker 1: would always just side to me in meetings, constantly create
Speaker 1: this narrative that our boss was the Long Island Killer.
Speaker 2: But that makes me so happy. I am so I
Speaker 2: really hope he doesn't listen to this. The fact that
Speaker 2: you can be an at large serial killer, just like
Speaker 2: reading about your crimes and listening to people talk about
Speaker 2: you is so fucked up and it just hit me
Speaker 2: in a real way.
Speaker 1: It's really wild too, because we have so few serial
Speaker 1: killers now that can avoid like DNA, CCTV, like you know,
Speaker 1: all the just like all the things that led in
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, things that were missing that led
Speaker 1: there to be so many prolific serial killers, we just
Speaker 1: don't have that. In the nineties and the two thousands,
Speaker 1: we haven't had as many of those. So it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: So this guy was obviously a very organized killer who
Speaker 1: knew how to cover his tracks. And I want to
Speaker 1: start out by telling the story of Shannon Gilbert because
Speaker 1: she's the victim that sort of blew this entire case
Speaker 1: wide open. So Shannon grew up in this really, really
Speaker 1: small town called Ellenville that's halfway between New York City
Speaker 1: and Albany. She was really smart, she graduated early at sixteen.
Speaker 1: She had a lot of potential, and she just wanted
Speaker 1: to get the fuck out of her small little town.
Speaker 1: And go to New York where she wanted to meet
Speaker 1: beyond stage. She wanted to make it, and so she
Speaker 1: moved to Jersey City in two thousand and seven. So
Speaker 1: she worked at night, she auditioned during the day, and
Speaker 1: she even enrolled in college classes. She was trying to
Speaker 1: get educated. But you know, life is hard in New York.
Speaker 1: She was broke, and so she did turn to sex work.
Speaker 1: She became an escort. Her family was like embarrassed that
Speaker 1: she had done this, like her sister talks about in
Speaker 1: an interview, her sister Sherry, but her mom's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't really push it. I didn't want to cut her out,
Speaker 1: Like I wanted Shannon to feel like she could still
Speaker 1: like come home and we were still here for her.
Speaker 1: So the thing that makes Shannon a little bit different
Speaker 1: is that I think a lot of people in cases
Speaker 1: where sex workers go missing, they're like, oh, they were
Speaker 1: an outcast, they had no family, no one cared. And
Speaker 1: that's not the case with Shannon. Like her family really
Speaker 1: cared about her. She went home all the time to
Speaker 1: visit them. She was super close with her family. So
Speaker 1: a lot of escorts have a driver and the driver
Speaker 1: takes them on their dates and that the Jack Kara.
Speaker 1: We've watched s VU. Yeah, we know that the escorts
Speaker 1: get driven around. Well okay, so like sometimes it's fin yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've also seen other episodes where they're just working
Speaker 1: on the streets or they're just showing up at place
Speaker 1: at restaurants or in hotel bars and they're alone. So
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, Like, yeah, I mean I did realize,
Speaker 1: but it's obviously much smarter to have a driver who
Speaker 1: is like kind of muscle to protect you, make sure
Speaker 1: you don't get hurt or stiffed by the Johns in
Speaker 1: any way. So one of the drivers for the service
Speaker 1: that Shannon worked out was named Alex Diaz, and they
Speaker 1: actually fell in love. They moved in together, but then
Speaker 1: the business got busted by the cops and so they
Speaker 1: sort of went solo. She started posting on craigslists and stuff.
Speaker 1: But they fought a lot, and one time he hit
Speaker 1: her so hard that he shottered her jaw so fucked up.
Speaker 1: She still stayed with him. She loved him, according to
Speaker 1: her family, even though they were like hello, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously domestic violence is complicated, but all to say, she
Speaker 1: had a titanium plate put into her jaw after that happened,
Speaker 1: so that's important. Later, so she stays with him. She
Speaker 1: starts advertising on Craigslist. In a way, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we get rid of the middleman, like the escort service.
Speaker 1: Now we just get the money. Alex, my boyfriend, will
Speaker 1: drive me everywhere. So sometimes Alex drove her, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it was a different guy named Michael Pack and he
Speaker 1: was like a guy that Shannon trusted. And the Johns
Speaker 1: always knew that there was a driver with her, so
Speaker 1: that nobody tried any fucking funny business. So May one,
Speaker 1: twenty ten, she gets a call to go to Oak Beach,
Speaker 1: Long Island, which is about an hour outside of New
Speaker 1: York City. And this is what's really really creepy about
Speaker 1: this case too, Like Oak Beach is like a they
Speaker 1: call it the Oak Beach Association. It's like a gated community.
Speaker 1: There's apparently only forty or fifty houses. It's on a
Speaker 1: really really remote strip of Long Island, lots of marshland,
Speaker 1: lots of beach, but like really remote. And according to People,
Speaker 1: I watched an investigation discovery combo with People magazine investigates
Speaker 1: on this. So a lot of my info is from that.
Speaker 1: The reference to the sources will be in the show notes,
Speaker 1: of course, But in this they interview somebody who's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a party town, like nobody really bothers you. I
Speaker 1: kind of got the island life kind of feeling of it,
Speaker 1: like everybody does their own thing, you party. The police
Speaker 1: are really hands off. They don't really investigate stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't think they have their own police.
Speaker 2: Tammy Bahama Jimmy Buffett vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. People are kind of like it seems
Speaker 1: like people are pretty wealthy out there, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: really get a beat on, like what else was going
Speaker 1: on out there. So anyway, this is just like a
Speaker 1: kind of a weird, very insular beachy town. And she
Speaker 1: gets this call out there for you know, someone interested
Speaker 1: in her services. And she gets out there around midnight
Speaker 1: and she's there with Michael Pack. It's not her boyfriend
Speaker 1: this time, it's Michael Pack driving her. The John comes out.
Speaker 1: His name is Joe Brewer. The special I was watching
Speaker 1: called him a little off kilter but sociable. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. And so she goes in there,
Speaker 1: Oh exactly what it means. Yeah, but they don't say,
Speaker 1: like why, I don't know. They don't say why he goes,
Speaker 1: So I guess usually her dates are an hour. But
Speaker 1: because they like went all this way and it's like
Speaker 1: long Island, he's paying for more. He was paying for
Speaker 1: five hours. So the driver Michael is outside and like
Speaker 1: falls asleep. Around four point thirty in the morning, Joe Brewer,
Speaker 1: the John taps on his window and he's like annoyed
Speaker 1: because he's like, hey, Shannon won't leave, and I'm like
Speaker 1: ready to call it a night. And so they go
Speaker 1: inside and he finds Shannon hiding behind the couch terrified.
Speaker 1: She's on the phone with nine one one and she's
Speaker 1: saying to nine one one, they're trying to kill me.
Speaker 1: So what's going on? Like she's in her clothes, I mean,
Speaker 1: according to the reenactment I'm watching, she's in her clothes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that could be our dream.
Speaker 2: Like if we don't get on SVU, maybe we can
Speaker 2: be in a reenactment on HLN.
Speaker 1: These Reinnacs are funny. I really recommend you guys go
Speaker 1: check it out. Like they just keep showing her putting
Speaker 1: on lip gloss as like a way to show that
Speaker 1: she's a sex worker. Anyway, Michael tries to calm her down.
Speaker 1: Joe Brewer's like, you gotta go. And I know this
Speaker 1: because I've listened to the nine one one call. And
Speaker 1: she runs out of the house and Michael Pack's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? He's kind of annoyed.
Speaker 1: She starts running through the neighborhood, knocking on doors and
Speaker 1: screaming for help. All of this is on the nine
Speaker 1: one one Call. They just released the nine one one
Speaker 1: Call like in the last year or so, so I
Speaker 1: listened to it and it's it's really crazy, but I'll
Speaker 1: get into it in a second. The first how she
Speaker 1: gets to is a guy named Gus Coletti. He's like
Speaker 1: an older guy, he's lived on Oak Beach forever and
Speaker 1: he's like, what's going on? Can I help you? And
Speaker 1: he's like, is someone after you? And she's like help
Speaker 1: me please, and then he's like, yeah, come inside, I'll
Speaker 1: help you. And then she just stands there for a second,
Speaker 1: and then when she sees the headlights from Michael Pack's car,
Speaker 1: she just keeps running and like in the video that
Speaker 1: in the reenactment that you're seeing, she's like wearing high
Speaker 1: heels it's like what you're running through this dark beach
Speaker 1: community at four thirty in the morning in heels like
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on when someone drugged her.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you know what happened. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. No. No, that's a great question because Coletti
Speaker 1: tells the driver I called on one one and the
Speaker 1: driver's like, Pack is like, you shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get her in trouble. And so now these
Speaker 1: two are arguing and now Shannon disappears. So I did
Speaker 1: listen to the nine one one call, and it's really
Speaker 1: strange because Shannon sounds scared, but she's not really. She
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit drugged. To me. I'm not a professional.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying she sounds like she's on something. Like
Speaker 1: when she calls the nine one operator go, she goes,
Speaker 1: someone's after me, help, someone's after me. Help. Please Please.
Speaker 1: She just keeps saying please over and over again. But
Speaker 1: like it's not super desperate, it's like kind of flat.
Speaker 1: Later there's parts where she's screaming and like, you know,
Speaker 1: she's definitely upset, but like this part and like you
Speaker 1: hear Michael go in and Joe in there, going you
Speaker 1: gotta go, let's go, let's go, and she's like no,
Speaker 1: please stop, stop, no stop, and it's like just go.
Speaker 1: They just want you to go. It's so it's so strange,
Speaker 1: but like, who knows what happened there, Like the driver
Speaker 1: was asleep for like four hours. It seems like no
Speaker 1: idea what happened in there. But she felt like or
Speaker 1: people were saying she was maybe drug maybe she was
Speaker 1: having some kind of panic attack or break. Who knows
Speaker 1: what was going on. But these guys were trying to
Speaker 1: get her out. So Michael Pack says that he circled
Speaker 1: around like Oak Beach, drove down like the long stretch
Speaker 1: of road trying to find her, and then eventually the
Speaker 1: sun came up and he was like, well, the sun's
Speaker 1: up now, I guess she'll get her way home, which
Speaker 1: other people are like, that's fucked up, Like you're an
Speaker 1: hour from the city. She does not know how to
Speaker 1: get home from there, like why did you leave? But
Speaker 1: the next morning, when Shannon isn't home, Alex, her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: calls Michael and he's like, yeah, Shannon was acting crazy.
Speaker 1: I looked for her for a while. When the sun
Speaker 1: came up, I peaced like I figured she'd make her
Speaker 1: way home, and like they they call the cops, and
Speaker 1: the cops don't care. They're like, she's over twenty one,
Speaker 1: she's a sex worker. You need to report her in
Speaker 1: her hometown, which is Jersey City, which is very far
Speaker 1: away from Long Island, and like what are the Jersey
Speaker 1: City cops going to do? So then Michael Pack calls
Speaker 1: Shannon's sister, Sherry, and he's being kind of sketchy and
Speaker 1: he's like just checking in to see if like you've
Speaker 1: talked to Shannon and if she's okay, and the sister's like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is your fault. And he's like, I have an alibi.
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, if you didn't do anything to
Speaker 1: my sister, then why are you talking about having an alibi?
Speaker 1: And like, what's your alibi? You were out on Long
Speaker 1: Island with my sister when she disappeared. Like it's just
Speaker 1: a sketchy call. So then the sister immediately calls the
Speaker 1: cops when she gets off the phone with him. So
Speaker 1: then eventually the Suffolk County there's two counties involved with
Speaker 1: this a lot, which is Suffolk and NASA. The Suffolk
Speaker 1: County Missing Person's Department eventually picks up Shannon's case, and
Speaker 1: this is I would say completely due to the fact
Speaker 1: that her family is pressuring them. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: other sex workers go missing all the time, this girl's
Speaker 1: family was like really really pressuring to help find her.
Speaker 1: And so they start with the nine one call, and
Speaker 1: the nine one one call was twenty three minutes long.
Speaker 1: I listen to a lot of it is just like
Speaker 1: she's running. You just hear her running on the call
Speaker 1: and stuff. And then but what was confusing is like
Speaker 1: when she called nine one one, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: what where are you? What where are you? What where
Speaker 1: are you? I don't know? Can you trace me? I
Speaker 1: don't know where I am, Like, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of miscommunication. Like so that's what also leads me
Speaker 1: to think that maybe she's maybe drunk, Like maybe it's
Speaker 1: four thirty in the morning. Maybe she's just extremely tired.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she doesn't really sound super with it.
Speaker 1: And so nine one one thinks she's at Jones Beach,
Speaker 1: which shout out to my first concert at Nukid's on
Speaker 1: the Block is where I saw them at Jones Beach
Speaker 1: and then they turn her over to New York State
Speaker 1: Police even though she's because she's several miles away from
Speaker 1: Jones Beach. So it's like, it's all confusing how the
Speaker 1: nine to one one call is getting routed around and
Speaker 1: then at some point the phone just goes dead. That night,
Speaker 1: the cops got two more calls about a woman form
Speaker 1: and screaming. One was from a guy named Gus Colletti
Speaker 1: that we sweet tek. We just talked about how he
Speaker 1: was trying to help her, and the other was a
Speaker 1: woman who you can tee. I heard her nine one
Speaker 1: one call and she's like, there's a woman banging on
Speaker 1: my door. I got my elderly mother in here. I'm
Speaker 1: not letting her in, like, and she's very long island,
Speaker 1: and she's kind of just calling the cops to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not letting this girl in. Maybe she needs help. Also, weirdly,
Speaker 1: that guy Colletti, when he called the cops, he kept
Speaker 1: saying that she was fourteen years old, and she's not fourteen.
Speaker 1: So the police get two calls from these people about
Speaker 1: this woman frantic and screaming. But the responding officer gets
Speaker 1: there and he has no idea who Shannon is and
Speaker 1: he doesn't know about her call because that nine one
Speaker 1: one call has gone to a different like like jurisdiction,
Speaker 1: like and so so wild. Yeah, no, it gets crazy,
Speaker 1: It gets even crazier. This is like the craziest We
Speaker 1: haven't even met the killer yet. No, no, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: So there's no crime really all there is this woman
Speaker 1: screaming and it just never gets connected to this twenty
Speaker 1: three minute nine to one one call. They just are
Speaker 1: like and it's like, yes, can we continue funding the police?
Speaker 1: They're doing such a good job. So anyway, two days
Speaker 1: after Shannon goes missing, her mom Mary gets a phone call.
Speaker 1: This is like everything about this just keeps heightening. This
Speaker 1: story is so wild. Mary gets a phone call from
Speaker 1: a guy whose name is doctor Peter Hackett and he
Speaker 1: asks for Shannon and and he's like, is she home?
Speaker 1: And the mom's like, no, who is this? And he says,
Speaker 1: I run a home for wayward girls. They literally keep
Speaker 1: talking about how this guy runs a home for wayward girls,
Speaker 1: which feels like a very I don't know cider house
Speaker 1: rules way to describe running like some kind of youth home.
Speaker 2: Wait, what is cider house rules about? I remember the ads.
Speaker 2: I know it's Charlie's and Toby, but what is it?
Speaker 1: No idea. I think it's a bunch of orphans. I
Speaker 1: think it's an orphan house. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: what it was. It looked like a romantic movie. No,
Speaker 1: but they may grow up, but it's about kids at
Speaker 1: the beginning. Oh really, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I've never seen that. Oh wait, someone I
Speaker 1: was hanging out with their son goes to school with
Speaker 1: Toby McGuire's kids, and you know, kids love Spider Man.
Speaker 1: So her son came home and was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: Spider Man, and it was really cute. Okay, what's the meaning? Okay,
Speaker 1: so cider house rules refers to the list of rules
Speaker 1: that the migrant workers are supposed to follow at the
Speaker 1: Ocean View orchards. Yeah. I think it's a bunch of
Speaker 1: kids that start working at this orchard and then they
Speaker 1: grow up there or something. We're Oh, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: World War two era main orphanage run by a doctor
Speaker 2: who trained him and his journey leaving the orphanage.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is exciting news.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was just like a fuck movie.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I.
Speaker 2: Because I remember Shirley's and Toby McGuire like connecting in
Speaker 2: the ads. But then Michael Caine looks crazy on top
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: I cannot buy that at all, because I find Toby
Speaker 1: McGuire to be so unattractive. I guess he was part
Speaker 1: of the Pussy Posse. You're fine, I know, oh, I know.
Speaker 1: Trust plenty of people in the Pussy Posse were not
Speaker 1: good looking in my opinion. But anyway, he so he
Speaker 1: asks for Shannon. He says he runs a home for
Speaker 1: wayward girls. He tells the mother that he saw Shann
Speaker 1: in the night she disappeared and gave her drugs to
Speaker 1: calm her down. Okay, And she says to him, how
Speaker 1: did you get my number? And he says, Shannon gave
Speaker 1: it to me, And the mom is like, yeah, Shannon
Speaker 1: would never give my number to some man, Like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is going on? So the mom knows something's up,
Speaker 1: so they go to Oak Beach, the mom and the sister.
Speaker 1: They roll up, they see that doctor Peter Hackett is
Speaker 1: having a party at his house, which is the house
Speaker 1: next door to Joe Brewer's. This doctor lives next door
Speaker 1: to the house where she went to go do the job.
Speaker 1: They go up onto his like balcony or i'm sorry,
Speaker 1: his like rooftop patio or whatever to talk to him.
Speaker 1: He denies ever making any of these phone calls. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are talking about. Do
Speaker 1: not get it. And then so she goes to the police.
Speaker 1: If they ask hack it, he totally denies it. And
Speaker 1: he looks like a full creep. This man, like he
Speaker 1: has crazy eyes, fucked up teeth, and I was only
Speaker 1: thinking when I saw his teeth, was your barbecue canceled?
Speaker 1: Because yogrill is fucked jijub. So anyway, this man somehow
Speaker 1: gets dismissed as a suspect. We'll get a little bit
Speaker 1: more into him later, but it's just like this wild
Speaker 1: call and then he completely denies it. So seven months
Speaker 1: later we've not found Shannon. Okay, But then there's a
Speaker 1: break officer, John Malia, who has been training a cadaver dog,
Speaker 1: a German Shepherd named Blue Cute. I guess when they
Speaker 1: train cadaver dogs they train them on open cases. So
Speaker 1: this guy spent the whole summer like looking for Shannon,
Speaker 1: walking with his cadaver dog in different parts of the city, like,
Speaker 1: you know, giving pieces of her clothing, probably for the
Speaker 1: dog to smell or whatever. On December eleventh, twenty ten,
Speaker 1: they he decided to go for another search, and they
Speaker 1: stuck close to a roadway because he had FBI data
Speaker 1: that bodies are offen dump near roadways. And even though
Speaker 1: it was like a super heavily wooded area and there's
Speaker 1: light snow on the ground, Blue leads Malia to a
Speaker 1: skeleton in a burlap bag. So they all think we
Speaker 1: found Shannon, okay, But then they do an autopsy and
Speaker 1: remember that plate in her jaw from her asshole boyfriend,
Speaker 1: It wasn't there, so this is not Shannon. What it
Speaker 1: was is the body of Melissa Bartholemy And then the
Speaker 1: police find three more bodies over the course of the
Speaker 1: next three days. All of them are sex workers in
Speaker 1: their twenties. None of them are Shannon. So in addition
Speaker 1: to Melissa, they find Maureen Brainerd, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello.
Speaker 1: And they were ended up being called the Gilgo four
Speaker 1: or the Gilgo Beach four, and they were found around
Speaker 1: five hundred feet apart from each other near Gilgo Beach,
Speaker 1: all wrapped in burlap bags, like all very kind of
Speaker 1: you know, meticulous serial killer type shit where they're all
Speaker 1: disposed of in the same way. So a guy that
Speaker 1: they're talking to the whole time in this People Discovery
Speaker 1: Investigates whatever it's called, is police commissioner. He's Suffolk County
Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Richard Dormer, and we see a press conference
Speaker 1: with him that really reminds me also of the press
Speaker 1: conference that Harry Connick Junior doesn't Hunting Ground. As you've
Speaker 1: already mentioned, this episode mirrors this a little bit too.
Speaker 1: And police he says he won't commit to saying it's
Speaker 1: a serial killer, but does say we are looking at that,
Speaker 1: and then the media goes fucking nuts. And I remember,
Speaker 1: like New York at this time, everyone was like Long
Speaker 1: Island Killer, Long Islon killer, and I was like, they're
Speaker 1: gonna find him soon, like killers don't go free anymore,
Speaker 1: and like here we are eleven years later, they have
Speaker 1: not fucking found this guy. So these four victims all
Speaker 1: have kind of similar stories. Melissa Bartholemy was a similar
Speaker 1: story to Shannon. She went to New York City with
Speaker 1: dreams of becoming a hairstylist and then turned to escort
Speaker 1: work to support herself. Oh, I forgot to mention that
Speaker 1: they were all found their full bodies, full skeletons, and
Speaker 1: they had all been killed by strangulation, and they had
Speaker 1: all been working off Craigslist. So Melissa Bartholemy had called
Speaker 1: her boyfriend the night she disappeared, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I have one thousand dollars job on Long Island and
Speaker 1: her boyfriend was going to drive her, but she refused,
Speaker 1: and she was being all secretive and this was one
Speaker 1: of the only times, No, this was the only time
Speaker 1: she ever went on a job without a driver. I wonder,
Speaker 1: why well we get to it. Oh, okay, Maureen, No, No,
Speaker 1: it's a good, it's a good. I was wondering too.
Speaker 1: So then Maureen Barnes, the other victim, is from Connecticut,
Speaker 1: and she was also on a job without a driver.
Speaker 1: She was living in Connecticut, but was in New York
Speaker 1: the night that she disappeared. She'd had, I guess, been
Speaker 1: robbed earlier, and so she stayed in New York to
Speaker 1: make some extra money because she had like lost all
Speaker 1: this money getting robbed. So then there's Megan Waterman, who
Speaker 1: was on Long Island when she disappeared. She had come
Speaker 1: all the way down from Portland, Maine to work. It
Speaker 1: was one thirty am. She took a job. She left
Speaker 1: the holiday in that she was staying at, left without
Speaker 1: her ID, left without her phone, and she was known
Speaker 1: to never go anywhere without her phone. And then the
Speaker 1: last victim that they found there was Amber Costello. She
Speaker 1: also left all her person belongings and a client had
Speaker 1: offered her fifteen hundred dollars. So now we get a
Speaker 1: little bit more clarity here because her male roommate was
Speaker 1: with her Amber and was like, let me drive you,
Speaker 1: and he's like take a phone, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't want that. So this guy lured them
Speaker 1: in said come alone, don't bring a phone, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you a ton of money, like you're
Speaker 1: going to get between one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: or whatever. So all these girls went out without drivers.
Speaker 1: They're all pros, but so like this is what they
Speaker 1: were saying. All these women are professional, they know how
Speaker 1: to take care of themselves, but they all somehow trusted
Speaker 1: this guy. There was something about him that made them
Speaker 1: trust him, made them leave their phones. And so they
Speaker 1: interview in this special that I watched, doctor Mary O'Toole,
Speaker 1: and I love it when there's like an old female
Speaker 1: FBI agent profiler, And that's exactly what this woman is.
Speaker 1: She's a retired FBI agent and profile and she talks
Speaker 1: to like this guy has the verbal skills to draw
Speaker 1: these women in and he's almost grooming them in a way,
Speaker 1: like he knows what he's going to do to them,
Speaker 1: but he enjoys the hunt and he's a predator, and
Speaker 1: I felt like this is very yates. So these girls
Speaker 1: all disappeared May through September in the summer, so they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: is this a fisherman? Is this someone who comes to
Speaker 1: Long Island only seasonally or does he go somewhere else
Speaker 1: to kill the rest of the year, Like where does
Speaker 1: this guy go? So this is what makes me think
Speaker 1: that there's something really fucked up with this community in
Speaker 1: Oak Beach because they start interviewing local people and there's
Speaker 1: a couple interviews like in this special that I was watching,
Speaker 1: and the people are all just like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: so annoying, Like leave us alone, stop talking about this.
Speaker 1: We're just sick of hearing about it. Like true psychos, no,
Speaker 1: not a set like not a drop of empathy for
Speaker 1: these victims, Like four women found this other woman missing,
Speaker 1: and there's more rumors coming up about this, Uh this
Speaker 1: small wouldn't you be nervous in your community if women
Speaker 1: were gone missing? Like, I don't know why you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to find this killer? You could be next? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you not have a Well? I think the thing
Speaker 1: is they don't think they could be next because they're like,
Speaker 1: who cares? This guy's just killing sex workers, you know.
Speaker 1: And so there's all these rumors of the drug fueled
Speaker 1: sex parties that go on with these people that live
Speaker 1: out in this community, and that there's a theory that
Speaker 1: maybe Joe Brewer had brought Shannon out not just for himself,
Speaker 1: but for like a party for many people, and that
Speaker 1: there's all these also rumors and theories that the police
Speaker 1: are in on it so they're not trying to solve it,
Speaker 1: and that there's like cover ups and this and that.
Speaker 1: But we get into some of that later. So it's
Speaker 1: December of twenty ten when Blue finds these four bodies,
Speaker 1: and so the police decide to postpone the search for
Speaker 1: more bodies until the spring because I guess it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, harsh winters out there, and they're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to find as much, especially with the dogs.
Speaker 1: Of everything's like cold. Although use blue he seems like
Speaker 1: he can sniff right through the snow. So in April
Speaker 1: of twenty eleven, they go out with the park Police,
Speaker 1: the State Police Fire Department. It's like all hands on deck,
Speaker 1: and they find the remains of four more bodies. But
Speaker 1: these bodies are not wrapped in burl up. They're dismembered, okay,
Speaker 1: And at first only one of these bodies is identified,
Speaker 1: and it's identified as Jessica Taylor. She was also an
Speaker 1: eskert working on the internet. Disappeared a few years earlier
Speaker 1: than these other girls that were found. And here's where
Speaker 1: the story is like so crazy. Her hands and skull
Speaker 1: and forearm were found there at Gilgo Beach. Her torso
Speaker 1: was found in Manorville, forty five minutes away in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three. So whoever killed her abandoned her torso
Speaker 1: in Manerville in twenty two thousand and three and then
Speaker 1: got other parts of her body out there at some
Speaker 1: point in the late two thousands early twenty eight tens.
Speaker 1: So the shit is like so fucking nuts. There's another
Speaker 1: victim of these new four that they find, who they
Speaker 1: call only Jane do Number six, who was later who
Speaker 1: actually I think only a year or so ago, was
Speaker 1: identified as Valerie mack or also went by Melissa Taylor,
Speaker 1: and parts of her remains were discovered also at Gilgo
Speaker 1: Beach and in Manorville, so there's some kind of connection
Speaker 1: to Manerville. These two girls, their bodies were disposed of
Speaker 1: in a very similar way, and so now everyone wants
Speaker 1: to know where Shannon is. Of course, we're still looking
Speaker 1: for Shannon, and there's four hundred acres of swamp to
Speaker 1: go through here, So Nasau County and the state police
Speaker 1: join in to help Suffolk County. They and they found
Speaker 1: two more bodies. Okay, they've had they had this like
Speaker 1: machine that could like be on top of the marshland
Speaker 1: and like could they would just do lines through the
Speaker 1: marshland like looking for these bodies. It's wild. So one
Speaker 1: of these victims is an Asian person who the police
Speaker 1: have identified as a John Doe and as male, but
Speaker 1: the person was wearing women's clothing and it's later believed
Speaker 1: that they may have identified as female or possibly be
Speaker 1: trans so this victim had been beaten to death, so
Speaker 1: completely different, em O, Like this is the other the
Speaker 1: girls in the burlap bags had all been strangled, strangled,
Speaker 1: and now this victim's been beaten to death. And then
Speaker 1: so fucking sad. Another victim that they find amongst these
Speaker 1: last six victims is a toddler. And how do we
Speaker 1: know it's the same killer. Well, that's what we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to Yeah, we're gonna get to it. So fuck.
Speaker 1: It's like just really sad that there's a toddler that's
Speaker 1: been found because that just like the mo is all
Speaker 1: over the place. Now like now it's not just sex
Speaker 1: workers or I mean, oh that's not true. Actually the
Speaker 1: Asian person could be a sex worker, but now it's
Speaker 1: a child. And the child is connected to as the
Speaker 1: daughter of another victim named Jane Doe number three. Jane
Speaker 1: Doe number three, who is also referred to as Peaches
Speaker 1: because she had a peach tattoo. Her remains were found
Speaker 1: near Jones Beach State Park, and her torso had been
Speaker 1: found in Hempstead Lake State Park in a green rubber
Speaker 1: maid container fourteen years earlier, in June of nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: So this is another person whose body parts are found
Speaker 1: separately and after almost a decade, and this woman's daughter,
Speaker 1: the little toddler, was found ten miles east of her mother.
Speaker 1: So this person's like, you know, dropping bodies in different places.
Speaker 1: The what's the rationale, what's the reasoning? And they were
Speaker 1: both found with similar gold jewelry on and according to
Speaker 1: you know, experts, obviously this killer wanted no witness and
Speaker 1: he didn't care that there was a toddler involved at all.
Speaker 1: He just like killed a toddler. And so the last
Speaker 1: victim they found are the skull and teeth of an
Speaker 1: unidentified female named Jane do number seven, and her remains
Speaker 1: are connected to a pair of legs that were found
Speaker 1: on Fire Island in nineteen ninety six. So it's possible
Speaker 1: that this guy has been killing for over a decade.
Speaker 1: But yes, as you pointed out, it is very weird
Speaker 1: that the pattern has changed and the mo is different.
Speaker 1: But this is what happens with Yates. He's like from
Speaker 1: first he's he's burning, then he's burying, Like there's all
Speaker 1: different mos. People are talking about like is this a
Speaker 1: killer who switched it up? Or is it two serial
Speaker 1: killers dumping bodies in the same place, like it could
Speaker 1: be that there's just the Gilgo Beach killer who killed
Speaker 1: the girls in the burlap bags, and then there's this
Speaker 1: other guy who dismembers his victims and worked in the nineties,
Speaker 1: And they suggested this special and they do. Honestly, it's
Speaker 1: worth watching just to see this ridiculous reenactment. They sing,
Speaker 1: just that maybe a serial killer who, like the dismembering
Speaker 1: serial killer, got jealous when he saw all the Long
Speaker 1: Island serial killer press and decided to go dump the
Speaker 1: body parts in the same area sometime in that winter,
Speaker 1: I guess of when they weren't looking. And they show
Speaker 1: in the reenactment a serial killer sitting in a lazy
Speaker 1: boy just like shouting at the television and getting so mad,
Speaker 1: like I'm the most to be the serial killer around here,
Speaker 1: and it's so ridiculous. And then they literally show a
Speaker 1: reenactment of a guy like carrying a bag of body
Speaker 1: parts out to the area and just scattering them around.
Speaker 2: So me, can't they tell with the decomp or like
Speaker 2: how long or like environmental damage to the parts if
Speaker 2: it was dumped when they were dumped or is that
Speaker 2: a Melinda Warner fantasy.
Speaker 1: I think that might be a Milinda Warner fantasy, just
Speaker 1: because like everything's decomp like this is just bones. They're
Speaker 1: fighting at this point of these of these people, so.
Speaker 2: You know, well and I guess Rudnick and we're murdering friends,
Speaker 2: like this could be just like some bros doing it together.
Speaker 1: Too completely completely. I mean it's also what's crazy though,
Speaker 1: is it is just like a really really vast area,
Speaker 1: and so you could be dumping bodies anywhere, and you're
Speaker 1: dumping them sort of in the same place. And then
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, which is earlier than they
Speaker 1: found the Gilgo Beach Girls, four victims in Atlantic City
Speaker 1: were found the victims of the Eastbound Strangler. They called
Speaker 1: him all sex workers, all strangled, All bodies were methodically
Speaker 1: placed facing the east. That's why he was called the
Speaker 1: Eastbound Strangler. And these victims were found seven months before
Speaker 1: the Gilgo Beach Girls first disappeared. So it's possible this
Speaker 1: guy started in Atlantic City, moved up to Long Island.
Speaker 1: There's only a few hours away. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: like trying to connect. There's also a few cases from
Speaker 1: like the eighties and nineties where people think it could
Speaker 1: be connected to Long Island killer, but there's really just
Speaker 1: no no one knows. So now the count is up
Speaker 1: to ten bodies and we still don't have Shannon. So
Speaker 1: now a year after Shannon has disappeared, we're back to
Speaker 1: like May of the fine of the next year. The
Speaker 1: police finally searched Joe Brewer's house, so at least he
Speaker 1: didn't have a full calendar year to get rid of
Speaker 1: any evidence. He probably had they search everything. Joe Brewer
Speaker 1: is apparently very open and honest with the police, allegedly,
Speaker 1: and Joe Brewer and Michael Pack were both polygraphed and
Speaker 1: they're both cleared, And I'm like, I just need more
Speaker 1: information about what happened in the house, Like what does
Speaker 1: he say happened, Like you know what went down, but
Speaker 1: I don't know why that's like not made public anywhere.
Speaker 1: So here's a weird detail about Melissa bartholemy one of
Speaker 1: the Gilgo Beach four. Eight days after her disappearance, her
Speaker 1: sister Amanda gets a call on her cell phone from
Speaker 1: Melissa's number, and it's a man and he asks her,
Speaker 1: are you a whore like your sister? And he asks her,
Speaker 1: are you planning to become a prostitute. He called the
Speaker 1: sister six times, this guy, but he never stayed on
Speaker 1: for more than ninety seconds, and in the last call,
Speaker 1: he told her that he killed her sister and he
Speaker 1: wanted to terrorize her. And they actually thought that he
Speaker 1: might come after the little sister because it seemed like
Speaker 1: the whole point of the calls was just to be
Speaker 1: terrorize the sister and make her feel like so much fear.
Speaker 1: So another thing happened where Maureen Barnes, another one of
Speaker 1: the Gilgo Beach victims, the girl from Connecticut, her best
Speaker 1: friend Sarah, got a weird call from a blocked number
Speaker 1: and this guy said he knows where Maureen is. She's
Speaker 1: at a whorehouse in Queens. So experts think because he
Speaker 1: used the word whore in both calls, it's likely this
Speaker 1: is the same guy. I mean, definitely is. So whoever's
Speaker 1: calling these people, that's at least the Gilgo Beach killer.
Speaker 1: So Shannon's family also thinks they've been trolled by the
Speaker 1: killer and they think it's Hackett, like the mom really
Speaker 1: thinks it's Hackett. A year later, police confirmed through phone
Speaker 1: records that this freak did call her, and when they
Speaker 1: went to confront him about it. He's like, oopsie doodles,
Speaker 1: I guess I did call her, but I only called
Speaker 1: her to comfort the mom. And it's like, why would
Speaker 1: you do that. You don't know her, you're inserting yourself
Speaker 1: into a case and you're fucking with an investigation. But
Speaker 1: the cops clear this guy. And it's so wild because
Speaker 1: there's like footage in this investigation Discovery People magazine thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't say shorter. There's footage of like
Speaker 1: media going to talk to him as he's goun to
Speaker 1: get in his car, and they're like, did you have
Speaker 1: anything to do with these with Shannon's disappearance? And he
Speaker 1: goes oh, and he gets down on the ground, almost
Speaker 1: like he's faking a heart attack, and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: my defibrillator, and he goes you sons of bitches, and
Speaker 1: he's like fully faking a fucking like people are all
Speaker 1: around him and he's acting like he just saw them
Speaker 1: and he gets down on the ground with this fake
Speaker 1: heart attack and then somebody off camera goes call the
Speaker 1: ambulance right now, and he goes no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: like he knows he's faking. He's like, don't call the
Speaker 1: don't don't call the ambulance. So this guy is at
Speaker 1: best a fucking sketch ball who tries to insert him
Speaker 1: self into investigations, who tries to like become part of
Speaker 1: exciting things. Why would the cops clear him? Dude? The
Speaker 1: cops don't think he's the guy, Okay, and he has
Speaker 1: he's just calling the victims' families and he has since
Speaker 1: there's more, he has since moved to Florida, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't live, of course where all the best people go.
Speaker 1: So he he has you know, he's somehow he's cleared.
Speaker 1: But a year and a half after Shannon's disappearance, investigators
Speaker 1: decide to do one last search for Shannon based on
Speaker 1: some aerial photography they got of this Marshy area. Okay,
Speaker 1: finally they find a purse, they find a shoe, they
Speaker 1: find a pair of jeans. Then they eventually find a
Speaker 1: woman's body, face up naked, and they confirm with the
Speaker 1: plate in her teeth that it is Shannon. And guess
Speaker 1: where that Marshy area is? Directly next to the house
Speaker 1: of doctor Peter Hackett. Fucking done, done all the way
Speaker 1: like so crazy. This girl was found three quarters of
Speaker 1: a mile from where she disappeared. She was found behind
Speaker 1: the house of a fucking do you think her body
Speaker 1: was always there? Or they do think that? So what
Speaker 1: the fuck? So, Dormer, this is what the police think.
Speaker 1: This is what the police think. Okay, Dormer, this Suffolk
Speaker 1: County Police commissioner. He thinks she ran out of Brewer's house.
Speaker 1: She's super scared. She runs into the Marshy area and
Speaker 1: that the elements overtook her, took her pants off. Okay, exactly,
Speaker 1: the elements took her pants off. So like she is
Speaker 1: running through marsh and eventually falls and like the water's
Speaker 1: not even deep enough. It's really wild theory. Okay. The
Speaker 1: family does not believe this shit, so they go hire
Speaker 1: the ultimate expert. Who else but doctor Michael Badden Okay,
Speaker 1: and they have him do an autopsy on the remains.
Speaker 1: We know everyone knows this is a Michael doctor Michael
Speaker 1: Baddens stand podcast.
Speaker 2: And did you know that the term stan came from
Speaker 2: an Eminem song? Yes, Okay, well I learned that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I knew it only because when I worked at MTV
Speaker 1: we constantly talked about stands. And when I worked at MTV,
Speaker 1: like we'd be like, oh, the Beyonce stands this and that.
Speaker 1: So I knew it. I've known it since like twenty
Speaker 1: eleven when I worked at MTV. But yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say a lot of people don't know that, and now
Speaker 1: now you know I was the only one. But no,
Speaker 1: now you know, now you know? So Lisa, you're gonna
Speaker 1: hate this on this on this Discovery, I d thing
Speaker 1: that I'm watching Michael Badden's lower third where they like
Speaker 1: identify him, says Michael Badden, contributor to Fox News Channel,
Speaker 1: What how dare you like? He is a full renowned
Speaker 1: doctor and autopsy specialist. Like, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on here? You're the dead? How sary
Speaker 1: speaks for the dead. And he's not done. Okay, So
Speaker 1: he said he does his own investigation of the body.
Speaker 1: He does his own autopsy, and he says there's no
Speaker 1: evidence that there was enough water that she could have drowned. Also,
Speaker 1: her body was found face up, that's not common for
Speaker 1: drowning victims. And he found what he called some evidence
Speaker 1: of homicidal strangulation. He says it can't be ruled out. Okay.
Speaker 1: He found damage to her hyoid bone, which is a
Speaker 1: bone in your throat that is consistent with like the
Speaker 1: strangulation cause of death. So her death is still officially
Speaker 1: listed by police as an accident or misadventure. Yeah, misadventure,
Speaker 1: which is like a wild term. And so there's a
Speaker 1: reporter in this special who I really like this guy,
Speaker 1: and he's like, So she ran away from the only
Speaker 1: guy she knew, Michael Pack. She ran away from a
Speaker 1: second old man who tried to help her. She went
Speaker 1: into some marsh that looks like really hard to even
Speaker 1: get entry to, took off all her clothes and belongings,
Speaker 1: and fought through the march three quarters of a mile
Speaker 1: before giving up and drowning in shallow water.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Like this just does not track,
Speaker 1: Like no one buys this, okay. And then Shannon's family
Speaker 1: brought a lawsuit to force the people of Oak Beach
Speaker 1: to talk, and she thinks, like she's at press conferences
Speaker 1: going I think Peter Hackett is involved in this absolutely
Speaker 1: for sure. Okay. I found a funny little extra thing
Speaker 1: that in twenty twelve, Shannon's family Facebook page actually posted
Speaker 1: about the SVU episode Hunting Ground. So they thought that
Speaker 1: that this episode was based on Shannon's case, although I
Speaker 1: think that the hunting of the victims and everything, it's
Speaker 1: more based on the case that we covered, which was
Speaker 1: the Baker Butcher of Alaska. But we Lisa and I
Speaker 1: both have already said that we felt like the hunting
Speaker 1: ground vibes were there with some of the Long Island
Speaker 1: Killer stuff. In another wild twist in this story, sadly,
Speaker 1: Shannon's mother, who fought so tirelessly to find out what
Speaker 1: happened to her, was murdered by her other daughter, Sarah
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, who suffered from schizophrenia and stabbed her
Speaker 1: mother to death during a like a break And she's
Speaker 1: serving twenty five to life and recently lost an appeal,
Speaker 1: and I don't really understand, like, if she's mentally mentally ill,
Speaker 1: why she's not in a mental health facility. But the
Speaker 1: system as fucked, so I don't even know why I
Speaker 1: ask questions anymore. So there are a bunch of theories
Speaker 1: about the killer, the Long Island Killer, and one theory
Speaker 1: is that Shannon was trying to get into more wealthy,
Speaker 1: upscale clientele and that one of her clients was this
Speaker 1: guy named Jim Bissett, and he was this really really
Speaker 1: wealthy guy. He had this like huge estate on Long
Speaker 1: Island and his father owned a nursery which was like
Speaker 1: a huge supplier of burlap bags. I don't really think
Speaker 1: that it's like you have to be connected to get
Speaker 1: your hands on burlap bags. But what's sketchy as hell
Speaker 1: is that the day after Shannon's body was found, this
Speaker 1: man took his own life, just got in his car
Speaker 1: and shot himself. And this was a family man, he
Speaker 1: was rich. There was no evidence to any you know,
Speaker 1: him being unhappy in any way. Of course, of course
Speaker 1: things are hidden all the time and people take their lives,
Speaker 1: but this guy was I don't know, this sounds sketchy
Speaker 1: to me that this just the timing is sketchy. But
Speaker 1: people were also saying this guy Besset was very public
Speaker 1: like everyone who he was. He was very rich, Like
Speaker 1: there's no way he was dextering about like killing people,
Speaker 1: Like there's just people would have noticed like where he was.
Speaker 1: And they said, more likely the guy who did this
Speaker 1: is like a solitary guy who was on his own. So,
Speaker 1: you know, Melissa's mom and other people in this like
Speaker 1: special that I watched are like ultimately the cops really
Speaker 1: fucked up. The police did not pull the FBI in,
Speaker 1: They did not profile the killer. One homicide detective talks
Speaker 1: about the nine one one call and says that Shannon's
Speaker 1: totally calm for all twenty three minutes of the nine
Speaker 1: to one one call. And she's not like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even say totally calm, like I did say. She seemed
Speaker 1: a little on, like a little flat, but she's not calm.
Speaker 1: She's definitely like something's happening, helped me, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: she's not. It's just a wild thing for a detective
Speaker 1: to say, to make it sound like, why are you
Speaker 1: on the phone for twenty three minutes totally calm about
Speaker 1: being saying people are after you and help me please,
Speaker 1: And according to the medical examiner, it was totally opposite.
Speaker 1: Shannon is freaking out on the call, you know. And
Speaker 1: then I listened to the car. Why didn't the cops.
Speaker 2: Never show up? Why didn't they ever show up? And
Speaker 2: then nine one one call?
Speaker 1: They could they It's really wild, like they couldn't track
Speaker 1: her or something like that. Remember I told you it
Speaker 1: like went to a different jurisdiction, Like she asked on
Speaker 1: the phone, can you track where I am? And the
Speaker 1: woman goes, I can't, and then they tried to like
Speaker 1: move her because it was like, maybe it's because Oak
Speaker 1: Beach is like this, like private community. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the nine to one one situation is out there.
Speaker 1: But the cop did eventually come out to respond to
Speaker 1: the two calls from the neighbors, but had no idea
Speaker 1: that this girl had called the cops begging for help.
Speaker 1: He just heard, Oh, there's a crazy girl wandering the streets,
Speaker 1: knocking on doors and screaming. So when he got there,
Speaker 1: didn't see that girl. He just left and I guess
Speaker 1: they the line went dead and they had no way
Speaker 1: to get in touch with the girl who left them
Speaker 1: a twenty three minute call. So another person who became
Speaker 1: a person of interest, and this feels a little bit
Speaker 1: tvsh to me, but is still fucked up and should
Speaker 1: be discussed is James Burke, who at the time was
Speaker 1: the Suffolk County Police Chief and he's faced a ton
Speaker 1: of corruption charges. He's the one that kept the FBI out,
Speaker 1: and people think that he was involved somehow, like even
Speaker 1: if he's not the one who did it, he knows
Speaker 1: who did it and he was covering for someone like
Speaker 1: a friend. People say he was running a prostitution ring
Speaker 1: out of his own house and he was doing that
Speaker 1: the entire time. He rose through the ranks of the
Speaker 1: police system in his town or his county. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: so a drug addict I think broke into his police
Speaker 1: car and stole a duffel bag of his and it
Speaker 1: had all these sex toys and like wild shit in it,
Speaker 1: and that when he brought the guy in. When they
Speaker 1: found the guy in the bag, the guy said something
Speaker 1: to him like, oh, you're a pervert, and this police
Speaker 1: chief beat the fuck out of the sky, like beat
Speaker 1: him up, like bloody. And then he was convicted of
Speaker 1: that and went to prison. So that's that's a sketchy
Speaker 1: thing that this guy was really adamant about keeping the
Speaker 1: FBI out blah blah blah. And now we're eleven years
Speaker 1: later and we have no fucking leads on this case,
Speaker 1: and the FBI wasn't allowed in from the jump. I
Speaker 1: think now they have been now they're involved because there's
Speaker 1: a new There was like a new police chief after
Speaker 1: this guy, and I saw him do a press conference
Speaker 1: where he was like, we're the FBI has full access.
Speaker 1: They can have all of our help we want to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this. Another suspect is a
Speaker 1: guy named John Bittrolf who was a carpenter in Manerville.
Speaker 1: Remember I talked about how Manerville is where two of
Speaker 1: the torsos I believe of two of the victims were found.
Speaker 1: He was convicted. He was arrested in twenty fourteen of
Speaker 1: the murder of two sex workers that happened in the nineties,
Speaker 1: and he was convicted of murdering Rita Tangretti and Colleen McNamee.
Speaker 1: And so he's been in jail since twenty seventeen. I believe,
Speaker 1: and Rita Tangretti's daughter was friends with Melissa Bartholome, one
Speaker 1: of the Gogel Beach four. So it's like a weird
Speaker 1: connect that maybe this guy is the guy, but ultimately
Speaker 1: that guy's in jail and there's no there's no clear
Speaker 1: answers yet. But maybe it'll be like Golden State Killer.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll find I mean, I don't know. With Golden
Speaker 1: State Killer, it was like all about DNA and they
Speaker 1: figured it out. But like, maybe they'll figure out this guy.
Speaker 1: It is just really weird and maybe it is two guys,
Speaker 1: like nobody knows but I knew like none of this information,
Speaker 1: and I just can't couldn't believe like the phone calls
Speaker 1: trolling the victims, like you know, cops that are involved
Speaker 1: in sex rings, that she was found so close to
Speaker 1: that doctor's house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really like I don't get how she wasn't found. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I don't get why they wouldn't investigate or bring
Speaker 2: in that. I just hate the police so much.
Speaker 1: I think they blame it on like the marshland, Like
Speaker 1: the area where she was was like really hard to search,
Speaker 1: and they eventually got this like you know vehicle that
Speaker 1: I told you about that can like be on top
Speaker 1: of the marsh or whatever. But I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: never going to Long Island. I mean it's wild. I
Speaker 1: mean it's just like it is scary that there's so
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't really think of Long Island as
Speaker 1: like that, as having all this abandoned area, like so
Speaker 1: much area where you could just dump bodies. Like I
Speaker 1: kind of think of Long Island as like a bunch
Speaker 1: of beach towns and like whatever and Jewish people and
Speaker 1: not really like that. There's miles and miles of creepy
Speaker 1: road where you can just stop and roll a body out,
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway, that is the Long Island Killer,
Speaker 1: the Long Island serial Killer Lisk and I do hope
Speaker 1: we find him, geez. But as usual, a tough episode
Speaker 1: of tough crime, but we've got an amazing guess that's
Speaker 1: gonna make you forget about all your troubles. Stay right there, listen.
Speaker 1: If you guys have watched any popular TV from the
Speaker 1: last ten years, you've seen our guests. You recognized him.
Speaker 1: He's played as zombie scientists on The Walking Dead, a
Speaker 1: beauty pageant coach on Insatiable, and fuck if you follow
Speaker 1: our Instagram, you saw that we got to meet him
Speaker 1: and hang out with him in New York a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and so we obviously had to get him
Speaker 1: on the pod immediately. You guys know him as serial
Speaker 1: killer Gregoriates. Please enjoy our conversation with the super talented
Speaker 1: Dallas Roberts. Yay, welcome, thank you, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I can't believe you've agreed to do the
Speaker 1: podcast after meeting us in person.
Speaker 3: You sell yourself way too short.
Speaker 1: Well, just for our listeners, I arrive at our friends
Speaker 1: show that we've been promoting NonStop on this podcast. Oh God,
Speaker 1: an hour about abortion at the Cheerleyan Theater and Lisa's like,
Speaker 1: our good friend Arden Marine is there and she goes
Speaker 1: art here and she brought a guy from SVU and
Speaker 1: I'm like cool, like a guy who found the body,
Speaker 1: like like whatever, like a guy who played a car
Speaker 1: parking attendant. I could care less. I mean not, I
Speaker 1: could care less. I was like neat, she just buried
Speaker 1: the lead. And then we get to this We get
Speaker 1: to the row and it's you, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I just screamed in your faces like our podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited that you decided to do it after all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, who knew going to the theater could
Speaker 3: bring such fun.
Speaker 1: In terms of do other SVU fans see you in
Speaker 1: the streets and get mad at you.
Speaker 3: I can always tell when it's rerunning because I'll go
Speaker 3: order a beer or go to the deli or you know,
Speaker 3: I'll just be and they'll be like, oh can I
Speaker 3: help you? Oh no, no, no, I have It's uh.
Speaker 3: I think he's kept me from getting dates at times,
Speaker 3: like when people sort of you know, if they google,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't have any social media, so you
Speaker 3: have to sort of google me and then that tends
Speaker 3: to be up there Gregory Yates and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I genuinely think people have gotten spooked before. It's just acting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's a testament to how good you are,
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of creeps all over SVU every week,
Speaker 1: but you are like a you're a creep to remember
Speaker 1: what how did it like? We know that your character,
Speaker 1: this character started on Chicago PD and then it was
Speaker 1: a crossover into SVU, So how did it like all start?
Speaker 1: Did you just going it was going to be a lot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So is that once or did you keep getting surprised?
Speaker 3: Uh? I knew that it was going to be the
Speaker 3: crossover event of the decade. But I believe the chronology
Speaker 3: is right that I I get this is this is
Speaker 3: daydream believer talking about yes or yeah. I believe I
Speaker 3: get put away in this and then in the beginning
Speaker 3: of the next season of straight up Law and Order,
Speaker 3: I come back to sort of you know, uh, and
Speaker 3: then I break out of jail again. So I didn't
Speaker 3: know that that second part was going to happen, but
Speaker 3: I did know that I was going to be back
Speaker 3: and forth from Chicago and New York.
Speaker 1: And so did you know you were going to be
Speaker 1: friends with Rednick?
Speaker 3: That was all surprises, yes, No, that was surprises later.
Speaker 2: Yes, So that's exciting. So you killed it. I mean,
Speaker 2: what we talked about.
Speaker 1: A lot is your evil, horny, sweat like face that
Speaker 1: there's like a sheen of sweat cracking the neck. How
Speaker 1: did you how did you decide that characterization for the
Speaker 1: creepy vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most fun, it really is playing bad
Speaker 3: guys because you just, first of all, you don't care
Speaker 3: about anyone else, and every time they like try and
Speaker 3: make you mad, or try and make you upset, or
Speaker 3: try and play on your heart strings, you just find
Speaker 3: it cute, hilarious. And so then you know, like I
Speaker 3: knew that he was going to have to be overcome
Speaker 3: by this sweaty, sheeny, horny face when looking at pictures
Speaker 3: of dead Nadia. So you try and put it in,
Speaker 3: layer it in, you know before, so the audience has
Speaker 3: seen that before. I don't know, Yeah, I think you
Speaker 3: just I think I probably just you know, thought about sweaty,
Speaker 3: horny things, not dead things, but you know, and just
Speaker 3: you just let yourself be outrageously free in front of
Speaker 3: the camera. Wow.
Speaker 2: And do you decide that on your own doing your
Speaker 2: own work or is that something you talk about with
Speaker 2: the director or like or were they like, we love this,
Speaker 2: We're bringing you back for more of this vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I knew that it was I knew
Speaker 3: that it was something I had to layer in because
Speaker 3: it was going to be such a turn for him.
Speaker 3: It's you know, he basically puts himself away from the
Speaker 3: fact that he can't control his tink. But you know,
Speaker 3: you talk with the other people, the writers and the
Speaker 3: director and just make sure that that line is tracking,
Speaker 3: make sure that you know it's there. Okay, we got
Speaker 3: it Okay, great, because I'm going to use that later,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in all evil fashion, you did represent yourself, which.
Speaker 3: Got to yeah, that's so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember it was like the first day of that
Speaker 3: big courtroom scene and like everyone from both shows are there.
Speaker 3: There's like seventeen million dollars sitting in the you know,
Speaker 3: the gallery, and they were like, Oh, it's going to
Speaker 3: be this, and it's going to be this, and then
Speaker 3: you know, like halfway through the day it'll be you.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh great, I can sit here
Speaker 3: and memorize my lines while this other eight hours of
Speaker 3: work is going on. And so they shot the first
Speaker 3: one and then they were like, we're actually block shooting,
Speaker 3: so you're going to be up right after, you know,
Speaker 3: like in two hours or something. So I just had
Speaker 3: chunks and chunks and chunks and chunks. So if you
Speaker 3: I watched it again this morning, if you if you
Speaker 3: watch it, sometimes you can see me take a piece
Speaker 3: of paper and like read my line off of it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to rewatch that. Yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 1: An actor remembering his lines is a lot like a
Speaker 1: serial killer defending himself. I like that, Yeah, just learning
Speaker 1: as you go on the fly. Do you do research
Speaker 1: on killers? No?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they described him as a Ted
Speaker 3: Bundy type guy, and I remember, like I'm an old man,
Speaker 3: so like when Ted Bundy was executed in Florida, I
Speaker 3: was in high school and I was very against the
Speaker 3: death penalty, even for people like Ted Bundy. So I
Speaker 3: sort of I was involved, you know, in a way
Speaker 3: that a sixteen year old can be involved, you know,
Speaker 3: So I sort of had that. I you know, because
Speaker 3: the killing all that stuff takes place off screen. I
Speaker 3: don't really care so much about that. It's more the
Speaker 3: my job. I knew, my job is to make people
Speaker 3: creek out, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then it's like annoying in the courtroom scene too,
Speaker 1: because like you're also smart, like you're also not a
Speaker 1: bad lawyer for like it's like you did go to
Speaker 1: medical school. This character is smart.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I was watching it again. I have
Speaker 3: to say the writing was really really let me off
Speaker 3: the hook so in so many ways, in a beautiful way.
Speaker 3: Like he's he's pushing something. I forget exactly what it was,
Speaker 3: and he steps over the line and objection and the
Speaker 3: judge goes, you know, restrict your line of questioning to
Speaker 3: the thing, and he I'm sure I didn't improvise it.
Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of actor. But he just looks
Speaker 3: over at the gallery and he goes, Okay, dope, and
Speaker 3: it's just so fun and beautiful, and you know, like
Speaker 3: it's it's he just he doesn't know that he's about
Speaker 3: to get caught.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's unbothered. He's not. Yeah, confidence to the max,
Speaker 1: confidence on steroids. Well, we wanted to know who do
Speaker 1: you think is more evil? Yates or Rudnick Long pause.
Speaker 3: I mean what you know, like m once you're in
Speaker 3: the profession of killing people. Serially, the distance between evil
Speaker 3: is very slim. I don't know, I'll take it. I'm
Speaker 3: more evil.
Speaker 1: It is put on trophy. Yeah, let's patterns and you
Speaker 1: like helped Redneck. So I don't know, so unfairly or.
Speaker 2: Fairly us And the audience goes back and forth with
Speaker 2: hating Amanda Collins aka Kelly Giddish. You work with her
Speaker 2: a lot, so are there things you can tell us
Speaker 2: about your time working together that might switch the people
Speaker 2: that hate her?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I met Kelly Giddish I can't
Speaker 3: even tell you when somewhere late nineties, early two thousands
Speaker 3: at the O'Neill Center in Connecticut, working on theater together.
Speaker 3: So I've known her for forever. And then when it
Speaker 3: was like, oh shit, dude's on Law and Order, and
Speaker 3: then it was like, oh man, I get to play
Speaker 3: with her. So we just had a ball the whole
Speaker 3: time because we're kind of especially in that episode, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of flirting with her. I'm kind of you know,
Speaker 3: you can tell he wants to put that on his
Speaker 3: mantle piece. So that was just like a great bit
Speaker 3: of fun. I love Kelly a lot, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's one of the it's a hard job. I remember,
Speaker 3: like I've done all the law and Orders over the
Speaker 3: course of the decades. And I remember I think it
Speaker 3: was Mariska saying to her like, you know, I was
Speaker 3: like twenty six or something, and I was like, do
Speaker 3: you ever get bored of not emoting? Ever? Do you
Speaker 3: ever like it's a hard job you have to you know,
Speaker 3: just twenty two hours over twenty years of like, yes,
Speaker 3: I've got it, you know what I mean. There's not
Speaker 3: a lot of range that that you get to play
Speaker 3: with there. And I don't know what what your viewers
Speaker 3: listener's issue is with Kelly Giddish, but I can tell
Speaker 3: them that they are incorrect.
Speaker 1: Not not really the actress. I think it's Amanda Rollins
Speaker 1: more as a person that they have the issue with.
Speaker 1: No One everyone hears that Kelly Giddish is a lovely person.
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned that you met Kelly Giddish so
Speaker 2: long ago through theater. You also went to Juilliard and
Speaker 2: at theater in New York for so long. Do you
Speaker 2: have tons of friends that have been on SVU and
Speaker 2: all the Law and Orders? Is it like Pokemon. You
Speaker 2: guys are like comparing and seeing what's up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like grad school. Like Jenna Stern was my
Speaker 3: judge on this episode, Shan I dated briefly no way,
Speaker 3: you know, like Coop back in the day. Oh, here's
Speaker 3: a good here's a good Scoop.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The episode is called Daydream Believer, and I was circling
Speaker 3: this phenomenal young lady named Indigo Street and she at
Speaker 3: one point was like, Uh, what are you doing today?
Speaker 3: And I said, Oh, I'm getting I'm going to a
Speaker 3: costume fitting. I've got to play a serial killer on
Speaker 3: Law and Order. And she was like, is it the
Speaker 3: Law and Order where you sing Daydream Believer? And I
Speaker 3: was like yes, and she was like, I'm singing the
Speaker 3: track that you sing along to. So in the beginning
Speaker 3: of sort of is it? Is it not romance? That
Speaker 3: was very sort of like, oh, the universe is telling us.
Speaker 1: That's because we talked about that. We're like. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is a monkey song, but this
Speaker 1: is a cover that they're doing, and so the singer
Speaker 1: of that cover is Indigo Street.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yes and yeah, and we we literally sing a
Speaker 3: duet together. It's amazing. You know, two separate places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned that you watched the episode this morning.
Speaker 1: Do you always watch your work or was it special.
Speaker 3: For us, special for you? I stopped watching myself. I
Speaker 3: stopped watching myself. I think in twenty ten it it
Speaker 3: generally makes me feel not happy. I'm a very delicate flower.
Speaker 3: But I have to say, like I was. I was
Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised this morning. I was like, oh you did
Speaker 3: all right. Like my very first movie, Sissy Spacek played
Speaker 3: my mother, and she said, never watch yourself, don't watch yourself.
Speaker 3: And I was like, uh, Sissy, I'm going to be
Speaker 3: in a movie, I'll be watching myself. But she was
Speaker 3: like maybe, you know, like twenty years on, like maybe then.
Speaker 3: And I have to say, like it was. It was fine.
Speaker 3: It was I think it's been ten years or something
Speaker 3: like that since this episode. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know I used to be young. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm like, I like, never read the comments, and
Speaker 1: I'm always like yeah, I don't read the comments, and
Speaker 1: then I fully read the comments. Right, I can't stop myself.
Speaker 1: It's like horrible. Did these basic daughter has been on SVU?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, oh nice?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she was wild.
Speaker 2: She kept killing her babies that her father was impregnating
Speaker 2: her with.
Speaker 3: Yes, SPA does some weird things. I think the first
Speaker 3: time I was on I was a I was a
Speaker 3: self loathing homosexual who dealt with that by raping women.
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, these are what Wait?
Speaker 1: Did you audition for this or did they bring you
Speaker 1: back after just because they remembered you from week.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. Uh No, I don't remember whether I
Speaker 3: auditioned for it or not. It's that sounds like I'm
Speaker 3: getting offers all the time, and I have that's not true.
Speaker 3: But I remember there was a moment there where like
Speaker 3: me and Dick Wolf were friends. Like I was the
Speaker 3: bad guy on the pilot of Elementary. I was the
Speaker 3: bad guy on you know, like I was just sort
Speaker 3: of constantly around. So I don't remember whether I actually
Speaker 3: read or not, but or whether they just called and said,
Speaker 3: will you do this?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I realized Elementary was a Dick
Speaker 1: Wolf part project.
Speaker 3: It's not. It's sorry, I conflated two different things in
Speaker 3: my old age. Dick Wolf's Elementary on CBS, a.
Speaker 1: Different network, different than Matt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe that's it. Maybe it was less
Speaker 3: Dick Wolf and more like I was the TV bad
Speaker 3: guy for a hot second there.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to ask you about that,
Speaker 1: because it's funny to me, like you, to me, you're
Speaker 1: this TV bad guy. But then I watched you in Insatiable,
Speaker 1: where you're this like, you know, beauty pageant coach, and
Speaker 1: you're very funny in that. But then you've played a
Speaker 1: scientist in The Walking Dead, right, and then you just
Speaker 1: to me, looking at your IMDb, you you really play
Speaker 1: a lot of very roles. And when we interview people
Speaker 1: on this podcast, not all of them, but many of
Speaker 1: them are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm always the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm always like the dad or I'm
Speaker 1: always the mom. And like, you seem like you don't
Speaker 1: get type cast as much. How do you think you
Speaker 1: accomplished that? Because I think getting type cast is so difficult.
Speaker 1: He's like by being good.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm just I think it's because I've never hit
Speaker 3: in anything big, like as soon as you if I
Speaker 3: hit Insatiable, it would not a lot of people would
Speaker 3: hire me to be the bad guy. If you know,
Speaker 3: if you hit in a comedy, they're like, he's a
Speaker 3: comedy guy. Some people manage to make it through and
Speaker 3: you know, continue to be a chameleon after really sort
Speaker 3: of bouncing off the the brain pen of you know,
Speaker 3: pop culture. I just have never had that honor or
Speaker 3: horror yet, so i'm you know, I'm allowed to sort
Speaker 3: of you know, even to day, I get I get
Speaker 3: jobs from auditions from people who have no idea who
Speaker 3: I am. I've never heard of me, so that helps too.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, it's one of the reasons
Speaker 3: that I, besides being old, that I have not gone
Speaker 3: down the social media role, is because if you don't
Speaker 3: know me, then I can be anything. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: You probably have more time on your hands too. Oh,
Speaker 2: I spent fifteen hours a day on Instagram, so you're
Speaker 2: really probably accomplishing a lot.
Speaker 3: I don't. I wish I could say that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: do have a lot of time on my hands, just
Speaker 3: it's the nature of being an actor. But I feel
Speaker 3: it like I just spent the last I don't know
Speaker 3: three weeks learning to make English muffins from scratch.
Speaker 4: Whoa, yeahs nooks and crannies, and my kid came in
Speaker 4: like for the fifth straight day after school and I'm
Speaker 4: like laboring over this stove and he just looked at
Speaker 4: me and he was like English muffins again.
Speaker 3: And I was like yeah, and he goes, You're the
Speaker 3: king of side quests. That's what you can do America.
Speaker 3: If you in the world, if you put down the
Speaker 3: social media, you can get all sorts of side quests.
Speaker 1: Then amazing. How old are your kids.
Speaker 3: Seventeen and fifteen?
Speaker 1: Wow? And are they into the acting game or what?
Speaker 3: No? No, okay, yeah. Ten years ago when my eldest
Speaker 3: was like seven, it was some kind of television thing
Speaker 3: and I needed a picture of my family on my
Speaker 3: desk and they said, do does your son want to
Speaker 3: be the sun? And I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'll ask him. So I said, hey, buddy, there's this thing.
Speaker 3: They need a picture of my family and some mother
Speaker 3: and a son. Do you And they asked me if
Speaker 3: you wanted to be the sun? And he was like, well,
Speaker 3: what do I have to do? And I was like,
Speaker 3: you would come to work with me and you would
Speaker 3: like sit with the woman and pretend she was your mom.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have to talk and they would just take
Speaker 3: pictures of you. He was like, nah, no, I just feel,
Speaker 3: you know, I like, I like to think that he
Speaker 3: sort of like sessed up my entire sort of career.
Speaker 3: At that point, was like, Nah, this doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: a smart idea.
Speaker 1: Whatever this is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you keep doing that.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Do they come to your place?
Speaker 3: They've never seen it. I was just realizing this, they've
Speaker 3: never seen a play that I've been in, because they
Speaker 3: the plays that I've been in have been not appropriate
Speaker 3: for their age. And then, uh, you know, I think
Speaker 3: they might have watched two episodes of Insatiable. I think
Speaker 3: just Dad in general is like boring, like you know,
Speaker 3: and they like all of my friends are actors and
Speaker 3: so all of like their uncles and aunts and you know,
Speaker 3: everyone's on TV. So they're all like they're just non
Speaker 3: plussed about the whole thing. You know. They were really
Speaker 3: into like Euphoria this year or whatever, and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I got to get me a job on Euphoria and
Speaker 3: they'd be like, oh, yeah, don't don't you ever get
Speaker 3: on one of our shows.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, like a creepy teacher on Euphoria
Speaker 1: or something totally I could see it, or like a
Speaker 1: cool dad I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't have to be creepy.
Speaker 1: Wait, so, speaking of different roles that you played. So
Speaker 1: I do watch Big Sky, but I am behind by
Speaker 1: like this whole last season. It's sitting on my DVR
Speaker 1: waiting for me. I have two young children and have
Speaker 1: been unable to catch it up. But what do you
Speaker 1: play on Big Sky? Are you a creep?
Speaker 3: I'm not a creep.
Speaker 1: You're a good guy.
Speaker 3: Well, oh, I mean I'm a rancher. I don't want
Speaker 3: to spoil it for you. Okay, Yeah, I'm a rancher
Speaker 3: whose son dies in a drug overdose and failing the
Speaker 3: sort of protections of that one would expect from the
Speaker 3: state and the government, he might take matters into his
Speaker 3: own hands.
Speaker 1: Magil Ante justice. Yeah, there's a lot of ranchers with
Speaker 1: a dark side on Big Sky. And yeah, yeah, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. You're I'm going to get back into it.
Speaker 1: I got it just sitting there. I mean, I'm going
Speaker 1: to watch them. I like the show a lot, but
Speaker 1: I had to know if you were going to because, like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of trafficking and psychopaths in that show,
Speaker 1: and I was just wondering if you were jumping back
Speaker 1: into that or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I was. I think I was, you know,
Speaker 3: if you had to put a fine point on it,
Speaker 3: I was. I'm probably on the side of good on
Speaker 3: that show, even though I'm breaking also of laws and
Speaker 3: more is.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I just saw a quote today
Speaker 2: if the laws are unjust, we must break them.
Speaker 1: Hell yes, yes, glorious sign. I'm talking not just some rando.
Speaker 1: It was either my fitness influencer or I just found
Speaker 1: out one of the psychologists I follow is a cult leader,
Speaker 1: so I had done follow her, but I'm no, it's
Speaker 1: the holistic psychologists. She has like five point three million
Speaker 1: followers and is a culty bad Like, she's not a
Speaker 1: certified psychologist in any way, but she's acting like she is,
Speaker 1: and she's in whatever. Someone set me in FO. They're like,
Speaker 1: you're following a cult leader. I go, I'll follow. I'm not. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not attached to This is truly a time to
Speaker 1: be alive if you're a grifter. It really is the age.
Speaker 2: Like truly for my mom's friend gave her social Security
Speaker 2: number into the computer.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, people are being tricked. Someone in my
Speaker 1: mom group said her mother just took her mother, just
Speaker 1: took out four hundred thousand dollars, just wired it to
Speaker 1: Polish banks and no one flagged it. No one said
Speaker 1: anything about this elderly woman Chase Bank, like she just
Speaker 1: went in multiple times and was four hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: chaos crazy. Anyway, another back on track. We wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about so this project that you're doing with Arden,
Speaker 1: because when we saw you in New York, that's what
Speaker 1: you're working on, this movie about three stand up comedians. Yes,
Speaker 1: so we're stand up comedians. I mean, do you have
Speaker 1: questions for us or just okay, No, I just wanted
Speaker 1: you to tell us about the movie. I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, In the way that these things go, my presence
Speaker 3: is not enough to get financing for the movie. So
Speaker 3: I've been dropped from the movie, which is yeah, it's fine,
Speaker 3: it happened all that. Like when they call you to go,
Speaker 3: like sign a letter at intent so that we can
Speaker 3: take this to the financiers to get money, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: you mean me, You want me to sign a letter
Speaker 3: of intent. I'm like, you're dead. You're dead in the water.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I wish them the best, but
Speaker 3: I won't.
Speaker 1: Be doing it, so I didn't mean to like bring
Speaker 1: it up. If that sounds shitty, that's sucking.
Speaker 3: It's it's it is shitty. It's a shitty business. But
Speaker 3: it's not the first time, so I'm not you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm genuinely used to it.
Speaker 1: It's just wild because your IMDb is fucking stacked. Like
Speaker 1: I'm even just like glancing at it again. Now you've
Speaker 1: been in you're like, we see, we meet so many
Speaker 1: people that have done like one little role on one
Speaker 1: hundred shows, but you like come back on everything you do,
Speaker 1: you're recurring, Like that's I think huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I've been very fortunate, so fun sucks me.
Speaker 3: I mean, not to suck them, but you know, go
Speaker 3: with guy or however you wish to say that now.
Speaker 3: I've been fortunate to you know, to be it was
Speaker 3: very important for me to be a New York actor
Speaker 3: when I was coming out of school and managing to
Speaker 3: sort of cobble together you know, television and film whilst
Speaker 3: remaining in New York. I've been very fortunate in that regard.
Speaker 3: And you know, unless they shoot me dead, they usually
Speaker 3: will find a way to ask me back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, unfortunately you do die on Chicago PD. Right,
Speaker 1: they bring you back to Chicago p D and then
Speaker 1: you are killed, which I feel like I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that because I'm not a Chicago p D watcher.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that though until I started looking
Speaker 1: at this episode because I don't watch Chicago PD. So
Speaker 1: I think I was like, oh, what happens to eight's again?
Speaker 1: And then when you look it up, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: full Chicago p D death at the hands of Sophia Bush,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, in a basement, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: Where you had just killed your own dad or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, I pushed someone off of something. It was there
Speaker 3: was a height, yeah, and then I just I just
Speaker 3: remember them putting the like the dot on my forehead
Speaker 3: where the bullet went through on the ground for a while. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 3: after I'm dead, you know, like you go like they
Speaker 3: go bang and you go like that, and then they
Speaker 3: do it with computers. But then afterwards it's practical makeup.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, let me ask you this. So you had
Speaker 1: to you had to be violent with the actress that
Speaker 1: played Nadia, So how did that work out?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: How does that work? I mean, you were like those
Speaker 1: scenes are so scary. You're like slapping her and like and.
Speaker 2: That must not be real tape? Is there a movie
Speaker 2: magic with the tape or is it real tape?
Speaker 3: On her? It's it's tape. But it's like they'll take
Speaker 3: they'll take Electricians tape and then they'll take just a
Speaker 3: tiny bit, smaller bit of Electricians tape and stick it
Speaker 3: to the back. So it's definitely it's sticking to her
Speaker 3: face there, and it's sticking to her face there, but
Speaker 3: I just have to barely peel it off and then
Speaker 3: it comes off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The slapping, you know, is all done with like uh,
Speaker 3: I mean people who you know, like you just you
Speaker 3: make it look like, you know, I'm never actually slapping anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the camera makes it look that way. I did. There
Speaker 3: was a moment when she was in the trunk today
Speaker 3: and I'm done with her, and I like hit her
Speaker 3: with a newspaper or something. I might have actually done that,
Speaker 3: you know, like if it's something that you know, I
Speaker 3: know is not going to hurt you, because it wasn't
Speaker 3: even mean. It was just like, eh, be quiet now.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I might do that. But you know, like because of
Speaker 3: some incidences in my career. I'm usually very careful about,
Speaker 3: you know, making sure that everybody's cool and safe, and
Speaker 3: I don't you know, the worst part about playing a
Speaker 3: killer is like you're you're genuinely with this other person
Speaker 3: who's a woman who's usually younger than you are, and
Speaker 3: you're just fucking with her so hard. So I try
Speaker 3: and switch it off immediately after and be like, are
Speaker 3: you all right? Is everything cool? Like do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And yeah, to make people feel safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always ask people that too. We're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: We're like, do you guys like joke in between takes
Speaker 1: or are you like Meisner, like keeping it fully real
Speaker 1: the whole time, because I would think that on that
Speaker 1: show you really have to. People have told us that
Speaker 1: you really have to joke around in between just because
Speaker 1: in general, the subject matter is so dark on us
Speaker 1: for you you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that actress I forget her name, unfortunately, but she
Speaker 3: was she was less jokey because she was losing her job,
Speaker 3: you know, like at the end of the at the
Speaker 3: end of the yeah, so you know, I was. I
Speaker 3: was cognizant of that and sort of I try to
Speaker 3: be as gentle as I could with her about it,
Speaker 3: and we were talking, you know, just as actors in between,
Speaker 3: more about how crazy the business is and how you
Speaker 3: you know, you get this thing and then suddenly it
Speaker 3: goes away for you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you get the series regular dream job and
Speaker 1: then it's like bye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, somebody made that decision somewhere up
Speaker 3: the line, and it's just like what you have to do.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it just I would say, yes, when you're
Speaker 3: making something that sort of serious and dark, you tend
Speaker 3: to sort of lighten it up. But it also some
Speaker 3: some people are uh, you know, maisonery and stay in
Speaker 3: it and you know, so you just sort of have
Speaker 3: to play with who who? Who you play with? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Against that.
Speaker 2: Well, I've heard of someone was saying how it's like
Speaker 2: why is no one fully in character when it's a
Speaker 2: nice guy. It's always like when you're playing a Josh,
Speaker 2: you want to like fucking terrorize everyone, but no one's
Speaker 2: playing gandamn being like I'm gonna be Caine, right, So
Speaker 2: I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't believe any of it.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a it's a I've never found a
Speaker 3: use for it, and I think it's because I came
Speaker 3: up in the theater where you know, you literally go
Speaker 3: like and then that's when my sister died, and like
Speaker 3: tears are falling down your face and they black out
Speaker 3: and you pick up the table with the other actor
Speaker 3: and move it off, and you know, like it's just
Speaker 3: there's no ability to stay in it like you have
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Actually a little bit too distraught to move set furniture
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: A big L word fan, so I just wanted to
Speaker 2: ask what was it like working with Pam Greer and
Speaker 2: being on that set.
Speaker 3: And just that was incredible. That was my first time
Speaker 3: being a series regular, and it was my I sort
Speaker 3: of learned to make TV. I mean I've done you know,
Speaker 3: like Law and Order one episode, like New York Undercover
Speaker 3: one episode, like little sort of things, but that was
Speaker 3: my first, like, here's how to show up to work
Speaker 3: every day and do it. You know, it's it was
Speaker 3: It was really wild, Like it's first of all, the
Speaker 3: show was not about me at all. I just got
Speaker 3: to sort of pop in and be burst Pam's bubble,
Speaker 3: which was an amazing job. But you would see these
Speaker 3: you know like nine women walk to set, all of
Speaker 3: them in like seven hundred dollars shoes, a thousand dollars shoes,
Speaker 3: and the camera never goes down to their shoes. I
Speaker 3: was like, how is this possible? How is this going on?
Speaker 3: But you know, working with Pam was just you know,
Speaker 3: you just can't believe it, and she was so lovely
Speaker 3: and sweet, and you know, you get to do crazy
Speaker 3: things like sing a David Bowie song with Alan Cumming
Speaker 3: to Pam Greer, it's like, what's my life? I like his.
Speaker 1: Wild And is your name real? Yeah? I was like,
Speaker 1: Dallas roberts is like too perfect of an actor name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my real name is Todd Smith, but I decided
Speaker 3: to change it to Dallas. No, it's not my real
Speaker 3: Name's Dallas Robertson really yeah. I like that idea though, though,
Speaker 3: that I like at some point went like it's gonna
Speaker 3: be Dallas Roberts Yep.
Speaker 1: My dad like if I met you, if I met
Speaker 1: you working at like a rental car agency, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you have an actor's name, Like it's just such an
Speaker 1: actor's name.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. My dad is a Texan, proud Texan, and
Speaker 3: he wanted his first son to be named Dallas, and
Speaker 3: my mother said yes. And then he wanted his second
Speaker 3: son to be named Houston and my mother said no. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so my brother's name is Brian, which is also city
Speaker 3: in Texas.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, funny, Oh my gosh, that's what. That's so funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well you never didn't have to change it. That's good. Wait,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask one more question because you so
Speaker 1: to us, like we after we met you in New
Speaker 1: York when we took a photo. We did a couple
Speaker 1: of live shows and we showed people the photo and
Speaker 1: they were like going crazy, like to a lot of
Speaker 1: people your yates, but to a lot of people, I'm
Speaker 1: sure your your character from Walking Dead. I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: like the things you've done that have like the most
Speaker 1: like psychotic fans, Like what are like, how how are
Speaker 1: your interactions with like Walking Dead fans versus maybe like
Speaker 1: s F fans or even insatiable fans or people that
Speaker 1: come up to like what's that? What's the vibe? Do
Speaker 1: you know what someone that recognizes you from before they.
Speaker 3: Even that's there. There's there is a little bit of
Speaker 3: profiling that goes on because I'm I'm not famous, I'm famous,
Speaker 3: So it's very rare very that someone will go are
Speaker 3: you Dallas Roberts. It's usually like are you do I
Speaker 3: know you from somewhere right, And then I'll be like,
Speaker 3: I'm on TV sometimes and they'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what what is it? And then you have to guess
Speaker 3: what you think they're watching. My favorite story about that
Speaker 3: is I was on That Good Wife for a number
Speaker 3: of years and I was traveling through Atlanta and I
Speaker 3: don't do this in airports. That whole screening thing it
Speaker 3: is security theater, and I'll buy it. So I just
Speaker 3: what you do is you opt out and then someone
Speaker 3: comes over and they make sure you're not carrying weapons.
Speaker 3: They give you a little massage before the flight. It's lovely.
Speaker 3: And so I'm flying into Atlanta and this like twenty
Speaker 3: seven year old kid goes they go, Maile assist and
Speaker 3: he comes over and he's he's like, come this way,
Speaker 3: and then he turns back to me and he goes,
Speaker 3: are you the brother? And I go I am, and
Speaker 3: he goes, you're good. Didn't pat me down at all,
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 1: Alicia Floro's brother is Carrie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Walking Dead. When I was on I think
Speaker 3: season three when it was like humming, yeah, and you
Speaker 3: never met I never met a fan that was like
Speaker 3: I dig The Walking Dead. Like every fan was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you know, so that was intense for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think that's what I was what we
Speaker 1: were wondering because I've always heard that about their fans,
Speaker 1: and like, I listened to this podcast that later got
Speaker 1: made into a TV show where a girl was able
Speaker 1: to self defense herself from her own attempted murder and
Speaker 1: murder her attacker because she watched The Walking Dead.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the fans I just know, are like
Speaker 1: so hardcore that I was like, I wonder, yeah, was
Speaker 1: it the Dirty John thing? Yes? Yeah, Dirty John? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you know about that? It's like a crime podcasting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the girl fought off her fucking attacker from
Speaker 1: the Walking Down. Her mom's boyfriend tried to murder her.
Speaker 1: He was a grifter age of the Drifter, and she
Speaker 1: like knew exactly what to do because she's like, I
Speaker 1: just watched The Walking Dead all the time, and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 3: I got out my chain I saw on my baseball
Speaker 3: bat with barbed wire on it.
Speaker 2: Before we leave you any like tidbits from set, funny story,
Speaker 2: something about any of the cast members that you know
Speaker 2: we would all be excited to hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think we covered it, you know, like
Speaker 3: it was great to work with Kelly. It's great to
Speaker 3: you know, Ice is funny. I make music. It's part
Speaker 3: of my side quests and so I'm you know, like
Speaker 3: I've got all these like beeping lights and stuff and
Speaker 3: headphones on in my in my door was hoping. He
Speaker 3: walked by and he was like, what are you making?
Speaker 3: And so we had like a little sort of like yo,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that, you know, like I'm making a
Speaker 3: beat with Ice.
Speaker 1: Wo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's I look, I look quite
Speaker 3: fondly on that.
Speaker 1: That experience good and I'm glad you got to watch
Speaker 1: yourself in it because it is such a performance, thank you,
Speaker 1: such little moments and layered evil and it's just very
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, so great. Is there any anything that
Speaker 1: you want our listeners to check out, like anything specific
Speaker 1: that's like recently come out or coming out or anything. Uh,
Speaker 1: since I know we can't direct them to your socials.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, just uh you can't follow me on socials
Speaker 3: and don't follow me in the street.
Speaker 1: No, we searched. Oh, we saw that there are some
Speaker 1: fan accounts. There are some fan accounts that are like
Speaker 1: going to art in who she follows, who follow her?
Speaker 1: We really went on a search and right too, pool
Speaker 1: for and stuff.
Speaker 3: My kids have Instagram and so that's my sort of
Speaker 3: lens into it.
Speaker 1: And you don't. I mean, I'll never get off of it.
Speaker 1: I'm addicted, but you don't need it. This was awesome, though,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to talk
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 3: Guys, Thanks so much for having me. No, it was
Speaker 3: genuine pleasure and I got to, you know, go back
Speaker 3: and watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And hopefully we'll run into you through
Speaker 1: Arden again one of these days and we'll be more
Speaker 1: chill because now we've talked to you.
Speaker 3: No worries.
Speaker 1: That was fun, so fun. I love him. I could
Speaker 1: talk to him all day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I bet we could see him in New York. I
Speaker 1: bet we could get a hang out of him. I
Speaker 1: wonder if I'm at Diane Neil or buds, we can
Speaker 1: all get fucked up, stay out past one in the morning,
Speaker 1: how about that? Yeah? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: I'm still so pissed at this town and I keep
Speaker 2: trying to have you know, I go to the beach,
Speaker 2: I'm going pools, I'm making plans, I'm being out, I'm
Speaker 2: being active. Yeah, trying to enjoy this fucking town. And
Speaker 2: then at one in the morning, it's like, go home,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. Yeah, it's not a late town. It's
Speaker 2: so early to rise, early to bed kind of town.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's yeah, I'm up early too.
Speaker 2: The sun is wild the sun is popping in my apartment.
Speaker 1: The sun is popping, the sun is wilding out every
Speaker 1: fucking morning.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Our friend Mike Joyce posted this. But you know, everyone's
Speaker 1: like so into the new Cosmos photos. They love the space,
Speaker 1: they love the galaxies, and they keep showing how Hubble sucks,
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, drag Hubble all day, like it's
Speaker 1: done so much work. I just couldn't believe out. Michael's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're just gonna insult the Hubble all day long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and be like I saw something that was like I
Speaker 1: saw some tweet that was like, look at us treating
Speaker 1: the hubble like the before picture in a Botox commercial.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but I said this out loudest on yesterday
Speaker 2: and they go, no, the Hubble has done so much
Speaker 2: good work. And they started like telling me all these
Speaker 2: details about the Hubble and I'm like, okay, I don't
Speaker 2: I but I guess the Hubble's taken like seventy thousand
Speaker 2: folks like something like the Hubble's been working for the Hubble.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Hubble's been booked and blessed. Baby, she wor
Speaker 1: she works. I like that.
Speaker 2: Everyone likes space. It's just like, can we just get
Speaker 2: an alien though? Like, what the fuck? Why are these
Speaker 2: aliens playing with us? I don't know, Come visit, Come visit,
Speaker 2: visit baby. It's almost like maybe they're not there. What
Speaker 2: if there are aliens listening to this podcast? Like that
Speaker 2: would be fun.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be fun. They have Apple they download
Speaker 1: on or they listen to iHeart they have the iHeart app. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's not like podcasts or even like radio, like
Speaker 1: it's more likely that aliens can hear like your local
Speaker 1: z Morning Zoo DJ Like that's because that's like terrestrial
Speaker 1: like radio waves.
Speaker 2: I will say a positive about LA great radio stations
Speaker 2: that I was good as Chicago, but like the wave
Speaker 2: and one O two seven are just like so good.
Speaker 1: Oh and ninety three five KD for old school hip
Speaker 1: hop is really good. If you have that, I thought
Speaker 1: that's the wave. Maybe that's the way. What's the wave?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but ninety three five is Cada. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one I have one O two seven and
Speaker 1: then I think the wave. But do you remember? I
Speaker 1: mean I used to like call Eddie and Joebo, like
Speaker 1: I used to call for Pride, like the radio was everything.
Speaker 1: I used to call. It was one hundred in New York.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite station because that's like the top
Speaker 1: forty station, and I would call in eighth grade and
Speaker 1: ask for the sign by Ace of Bass like every
Speaker 1: day after school. I loved that song so much I.
Speaker 2: Was I had a VHS tape of Ace of Bass
Speaker 2: like behind the scenes, how they made it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were a big Ace of Base household well.
Speaker 2: And then the one of the Ace of basers was
Speaker 2: on below deck and was kind of a douche and
Speaker 2: like I remember, one of the crew members was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you were an Ace of Base, Like we don't care,
Speaker 2: stop talking about.
Speaker 1: Your songs. Okay, but we should talk about this. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about this episode. Let's do the post mort man
Speaker 1: into your house. No one should help you with your luggage,
Speaker 1: with your groceries.
Speaker 2: I saw this online. We might have talked about last episode.
Speaker 2: I do repeat myself often. But a man would never
Speaker 2: ask a woman for help. Ever, So if a man's
Speaker 2: asking you for something, they're a criminal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy come to my house
Speaker 1: once when I was pregnant and his head was bleeding
Speaker 1: and he was like, can I come in? And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm sorry, I but I called him
Speaker 1: an uber? What did he want? Some paper towels for
Speaker 1: his bleeding head? I don't know. No, go to super
Speaker 1: a bitch? Are you kidding me? It was at my
Speaker 1: It was at my old house, and I was I
Speaker 1: was luckily I had a friend there, but I was
Speaker 1: otherwise my husband was out of town. I was alone,
Speaker 1: but I did have a friend, a friend of the pod,
Speaker 1: staying with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta get knives. These people are bold. But yeah,
Speaker 2: don't men do not need help? I might have said
Speaker 2: this on this episode already. Yeah, do you remember, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I actually don't think you did.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, let anyone in your house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and even if it's honestly, even if it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: a woman with a baby, it's a fake baby.
Speaker 1: Don't trust it. Yeah, help from a distance. That was
Speaker 1: how they got sister Peg in pure remember help me
Speaker 1: my baby. And then when they went back there, boom
Speaker 1: what else when talks a fucking sister peg? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this crime like unsolved, so scary could still be out there.
Speaker 1: Cops never make it like you know, connections, it's a
Speaker 1: whole secretive town. Don't go to secretive towns. Don't leave
Speaker 1: your phone at home, like if someone if you go
Speaker 1: to someone's house and they're like, don't bring your phone
Speaker 1: unless it's Jennifer Aniston, like, don't go. Yeah, oh god,
Speaker 1: yeah for inst she's getting away with so much.
Speaker 2: Well, we were at our friend's house and I saw
Speaker 2: a photo on the fridge.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this looks cute. What's it from?
Speaker 2: And Kara was there to witness her saying that she
Speaker 2: was at Adam Sandler's daughter's bot mitzvah and that's.
Speaker 1: Fair see and it was star studded, dripping in celebs.
Speaker 1: I can't, Oh my god, I want to go to
Speaker 1: a rich ass bought mitzvah so bad you'll be you'll
Speaker 1: do you will? I see that for you. You think
Speaker 1: I'll have enough Jew friends that I'll get to go
Speaker 1: to a bouman? I think so, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet his wasn't at Ma Giano's.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 1: It's a fox up crime.
Speaker 2: MUDs are weird, marshas are weird, Stay out of swamps.
Speaker 2: Like everything is blaming the victim. All of my advice
Speaker 2: is like, don't trust anyone. I don't know, it's scary.
Speaker 2: The Long Island Killer is scary.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know. I mean it's just once
Speaker 1: again hammer home how vulnerable sex workers are, you know,
Speaker 1: like all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was about to say, Like bring
Speaker 2: back back pages, bring back how like make it legal?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's really make it legal and keep people safe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so disrespectful and so disrespectful. Yeah, And like I like,
Speaker 1: there's a podcast that interviews porn stars all the time,
Speaker 1: not Asa Kire's this other one plug Talk, and like
Speaker 1: one of them was saying, she's like you don't realize
Speaker 1: how many people she goes. I get recognized all the time,
Speaker 1: Like I could tell people know who I am everywhere
Speaker 1: I go, and yet everyone denies it. Everyone is so mean,
Speaker 1: you know, like they it's so weird. It's just like
Speaker 1: I don't get it because we still live in like
Speaker 1: a very prude society. We're being run Our Supreme Court
Speaker 1: is run by Christo fascist fucking nightmares. I mean, like
Speaker 1: Jesus is everywhere. But listen, let's move on to what
Speaker 1: would Sister Peg do. This is our weekly segment where
Speaker 1: we tell you, give you some information, give you an article,
Speaker 1: a book, a charity, something that you can support, or
Speaker 1: find out more information about today's topic. And today we
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to direct you to if you're
Speaker 1: interested in more information about the Long Island killer. There
Speaker 1: is a website setup that's www dot gilgonews dot com.
Speaker 1: That's gilgonews dot com and it's a website and the
Speaker 1: sole purpose is dissemoning information to the about the Suffolk
Speaker 1: County Police Departments Goigo Beech homicide investigation. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you or somebody you know has tips or
Speaker 1: I don't know, you want to learn more about it.
Speaker 1: There's maps, there's all kinds of information. They want the
Speaker 1: public's help to solve these murders. But I know that
Speaker 1: it's been a long time for some of them. So
Speaker 1: but hopefully you know, they caught the Golden State killer
Speaker 1: thirty years forty years later, so you never know.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what they're trying to do right now,
Speaker 2: they're trying to put away the woman who lied about
Speaker 2: Emma tel Oh really yeah, she is alive in kicking
Speaker 2: and old, and people are like, put that bitch in jail,
Speaker 2: Like what are we waiting for? They put Nazis away
Speaker 2: all the time, like, put her away? Yeah, fuck, there
Speaker 2: is no doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as bridget Ever says, there are no deadlines. What
Speaker 1: is it? No deadlines for dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines.
Speaker 2: And killers should be put away no matter what, or
Speaker 2: lying bitches like I'm sorry, yeah, should be put away.
Speaker 1: No, for sure. That's horrible. I don't know why they
Speaker 1: have it. I don't know. Probably because everybody's racist. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, also with like people trying to solve it, Like
Speaker 2: I was reading stuff and like there was like a
Speaker 2: lot of Twitter threads about people being mad that truth,
Speaker 2: Like family members of people who've been murdered are annoyed
Speaker 2: with people reaching out to them trying to like solve
Speaker 2: their family member's case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you seen this stuff? No.
Speaker 2: I guess like people like true crime listeners not ours,
Speaker 2: are like harassing surviving family members and being like, will
Speaker 2: help solve your daughter's case, and they're like leave me alone, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're getting harassed.
Speaker 1: I think about that with Cereal, like how popular Cereal was,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, hay Manley's family must be like,
Speaker 1: leave us the fuck alone, because that was so viral
Speaker 1: and huge, and I bet everybody was just like everyone
Speaker 1: was sleuthing, you know. Yeah, I mean, and I get it.
Speaker 2: I get the urge of wanting to solve a crime
Speaker 2: and be a hero, but also you gotta like resp
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's all so complicated, because I do
Speaker 2: know that there's like a backlash of like true crime stuff.
Speaker 2: But to me, I was thinking, like twenty twenty Dateline,
Speaker 2: all these shows were about crimes. It's all been true
Speaker 2: crime and no one cares, and then when it's women
Speaker 2: talking about it, suddenly it's like.
Speaker 1: A big dilemma, right, right, And.
Speaker 2: So obviously there's complications and there's things we care about.
Speaker 2: You know, it's sister Peg, and we try to do
Speaker 2: right by like all victims and all the crimes. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously we probably make mistakes. But it does seem suspicious.
Speaker 1: That no one was mad at twenty twenty, but then
Speaker 1: everyone's mad at tea talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Suddenly true crime has gotten too far. But not
Speaker 2: when you watched with your family on Friday, right, Like,
Speaker 2: Jean Benet, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Was that not toxic? Like what are you talking about? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just a little, just a little thing I said.
Speaker 2: But if we want to meet up at the Gilgo
Speaker 2: Beach murderers, let's let's I'll meet you.
Speaker 1: Let's say that's the point. If we want to meet
Speaker 1: at the swamp, I'll meet you at the swamp, maybe
Speaker 1: at the marsh. Maybe I want to see what this
Speaker 1: community is. I bet I could, I bet I could.
Speaker 1: I bet I could look one of these guys up
Speaker 1: and down. And you think you could infiltrate You think
Speaker 1: you could infiltrate the Oak Beach Association. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you could. I don't know if they allow Jews.
Speaker 2: They kind of seem like a no Jew crew, but
Speaker 2: maybe it seems like.
Speaker 1: A part of the island with no Jews. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's not all Jew areas. That sounds like a fucking
Speaker 1: Jordan Peele movie, Like it's on Long Island, but it's
Speaker 1: like a sect where they hate Jewish people. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: love that. Okay, So anyway, just to circle back, that
Speaker 1: is gilgnews dot com that uh they leads, tips, lots
Speaker 1: of information, timeline of events, bios about the victims, lots
Speaker 1: of stuff is up there if you're interested in more
Speaker 1: about the Long Island Killer. And as always, all of
Speaker 1: our what would Sister pegs dos are on our Instagram
Speaker 1: in a highlight called WWSPD. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever fully interrupted on what would
Speaker 2: Sister peg Do and go on a five minute tangent?
Speaker 1: So thanks for that. Oh I loved it.
Speaker 3: It was perfect.
Speaker 1: You seem exhausted. Oh no, it's great. Next week, please
Speaker 1: join us in watching Zero Tolerance Season twenty, episode three.
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