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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. If you're on our

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Speaker 2: radio listening side of the Ledger, you heard Sean McDermott

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Speaker 2: and Brandon Bean address the media and their season ending

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Speaker 2: wrap up press conferences. Brandon Bean just wrapping up now.

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Speaker 2: And you're on the TV side, you were watching Sabers live,

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Speaker 2: so don't worry if you missed the press conference in

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Speaker 2: its live version. Steve and I will bring up to

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Speaker 2: speed on all the high points of the ground that

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Speaker 2: was covered. There was nothing tremendously earth shattering that we

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Speaker 2: heard from either head coach Sean McDermott or Brandon Bean,

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Speaker 2: but there were some interesting nuggets that took place, and

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Speaker 2: we'll get to those in short order here. Before we

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Speaker 2: do that, we got a little housekeeping that we would

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Speaker 2: like to do in terms of going around the NFL,

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Speaker 2: because the head coaching carousel continues to spin, and that

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Speaker 2: means as jobs are filled, there are assistant positions that

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Speaker 2: are open as well, and there are some Bill's assistants

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Speaker 2: that have been mentioned. We know Joe Brady interviewed for

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Speaker 2: the head coaching job with the Falcons last week. Now

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Speaker 2: he's in the same pool with people like Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: and Jim Harbaugh, but still in all he interviewed, and

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Speaker 2: then the report came down today that the New York

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Speaker 2: Giants have requested an interview with Bill's linebackers coach Bobby

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Speaker 2: Babbage for their vacant defensive coordinator position. Babbage, as we know,

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Speaker 2: moved to linebackers coach with the Bills from the secondary

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Speaker 2: after his dad, Bob Babbage retired, and has done a

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Speaker 2: world of good for the linebacker unit this season, not

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Speaker 2: only in terms of having Terrell Bernard ready to roll

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Speaker 2: in his second year in the league, first as a

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Speaker 2: starter running the defense, but also the improvement that we

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Speaker 2: saw Tyrrel Dodson make through the course of this season

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Speaker 2: from the time he was first thrust into the lineup,

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Speaker 2: and we all know the work that he did with

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Speaker 2: Poiter and Hyde over the years, So you understand why

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Speaker 2: he is a commodity and we'll have to see how

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Speaker 2: that progresses going forward. I mean, he's a good young

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Speaker 2: coach with a lot of good pedigree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of this going on. Bills aren't

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Speaker 3: alone in this. This is going on all over It's

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Speaker 3: the coaching season, and we've talked about some of the

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Speaker 3: coaching openings around the NFL that have happened, you know,

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Speaker 3: during the season, and now that are happening as the

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Speaker 3: season ends. There's a lot of coaches out there who

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Speaker 3: are not only looking for work, but wondering if they're

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Speaker 3: gonna have work. The stuff going on in New York

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Speaker 3: is really intriguing for the Buffalo situation because you get,

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Speaker 3: you know, a guy like John Butler, he knows those

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Speaker 3: guys in New York.

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Speaker 1: He knows Brian.

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Speaker 3: Dable and Joe Shane, Bobby Babbage, Bobby Babbage, and so

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Speaker 3: they you know, these guys become hot commodities. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be really interesting to see because as much as

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Speaker 3: we talk about the you know, the twenty three free

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Speaker 3: agents the Bills have coming up in this regular season

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Speaker 3: this offseason, you know they're gonna have to put together

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Speaker 3: I don't know what all this means, and certainly the

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Speaker 3: Bills could nip it in the bud by making it

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Speaker 3: lucrative and professionally attractive to a guy like Bobby Babbage

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Speaker 1: Coordinator here, whatever what have you.

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Speaker 3: But this is, I think is important a development in

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Speaker 3: this offseason, particularly here in the early going. It's as

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Speaker 3: important a development as we've had as we've got. The

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Speaker 3: players are going to take care of themselves in free agency,

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Speaker 3: in the draft and all of that, but the coaching

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Speaker 2: The other news that has come down the pike here

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Speaker 2: around the NFL, which incidentally is presented by Kalida Healthy,

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Speaker 2: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, it looks like

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh could be one step closer to landing back

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Speaker 2: in the NFL as a head coach. We know he

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Speaker 2: see if that comes to pass here before the day

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Speaker 2: and Jim Harbaugh would arguably have the best quarterback he's

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Speaker 2: He had Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco. As we know,

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert be a pretty good guy to work with,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you said, maybe maybe I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Like two five thousand yard passing seasons Oka can play.

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Speaker 3: No, Justin Herbert can play. Yeah, someone's missing, though. Maybe

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Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh can bring it to that franchise. Yeah, Hardball's

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Speaker 3: a really good coach.

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Speaker 1: He seems to.

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Speaker 3: Have a personality that wears on an organization. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe this. He left San Francisco so soon

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Speaker 1: Bowl with Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 3: But there you have it, and it looked like they

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Speaker 1: Now is it Michigan.

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Speaker 2: And when's the title?

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Speaker 1: Win's the title? I mean the guy can coach, right, yep.

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Speaker 3: So he's a great leader. He's just I think his

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Speaker 3: brother John, I mean I like his brother John better

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Speaker 3: leaders and well, listen, I don't know though, I always

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Speaker 3: this brownie. I always think these coaches, you think this

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Speaker 3: the big picture, there's only one. There's only thirty two

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Speaker 3: it is when you get your chance, you rabbit. Harbaugh's

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Speaker 3: had these chances before, went to the college route, and he,

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Speaker 3: more so than anybody else, knows that the NFL head

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Speaker 3: And I'm just you're walking into it. Maybe maybe it's

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Speaker 3: fresh wound. He's walking into a division where Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 3: been to six conference championships in a row. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: and he's gonna take over that, Franchi.

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Speaker 2: Said, yesterday's Michael Jordan of the AFC.

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Speaker 3: And also, and I'll say this too, he's also got

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton in that division too. Sean Payton is he's

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Speaker 3: he's not cutting bait. He's fishing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's getting after it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's thoughts that they may not sick with

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Speaker 1: Well, that's just it.

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Speaker 3: He's not waiting around that guy. I mean, Sean Payton

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Speaker 3: know that kind of guy. So that's a tough that's

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Speaker 1: Not the Raiders on. You know, we'll see, but.

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Speaker 2: They're keeping Antonio gears.

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Speaker 1: I I would think that Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: Is probably one of the guys who is high on

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Speaker 3: everybody's list right Seattle, Carolina, Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Even he's only interviewed with Atlanta and LA. He can

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Speaker 2: probably pick the places where he wants to interview. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he's been called by everybody's Yeah no, thanks, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't I just think, you know, Carolina seems ripe.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't think anybody wants to go to Carolina

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Speaker 2: right and center right, no patience you want that? Well,

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Speaker 2: I realized it's one of thirty two jobs. But if

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Speaker 2: I think that's been proven time over time and time

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Speaker 2: three four years? Yeah, it's tough. Knee jerk decisions like

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Speaker 2: Looks like the Titans have a new head coach, Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks coach Brian Callahan. Overnight the news broke that he

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Speaker 2: So looks like that job will be filled here in

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Speaker 2: short order, which doesn't bother me in the least. Any

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Speaker 2: their staff. Presumably he'll bring a few of those assistants

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it will be. But I'll say this too,

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Speaker 3: It'd be interesting to see what Justin Herbert does with

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Speaker 2: I mean, he actually had a decent season that he.

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Speaker 3: Actually did because he's got a little it's got a

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Speaker 3: you gotta figure out a way now the longer you stay. Now,

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Speaker 3: look at guys around the league who still continue to win. Uh,

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin has gone through multiple multiple coordinators on both

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Speaker 3: I mean it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but for the first time in a long time

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Speaker 2: did in mid season in this year?

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Speaker 3: Yes, first time generation. Yeah, so it you just got

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Speaker 3: to do it. The Bills here now are going into

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Speaker 3: what would be their third coordinator change, you know from

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Speaker 3: day Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whether it's Brady or somebody else.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, their fourth coordinator change if they do give

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: I take it from a guy who's been in rooms

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Speaker 2: Feel free to share your takeaways from the press conferences

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Speaker 2: the tweet sheet at one Bill's Live. I would say

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard to do, really hard to do,

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Speaker 3: have a markedly different personality this coming year. I was

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Speaker 3: saying this to Brownie in the office, and I haven't

438
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Speaker 3: heard this too much.

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I think I might be the only person who feels

441
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Speaker 3: like this from watching this team as closely as you

442
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Speaker 3: and I do, from where they've come on this odyssey.

443
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Speaker 3: And plus the head coach, and Sean was under the

444
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Speaker 3: microscope this year, not just because he was defensive coordinator,

445
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Speaker 3: but because of what was written and said about him

446
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Speaker 3: during the season. He's a way different coach at the

447
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Speaker 3: end of this season we just finished than he was

448
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Speaker 3: three years ago.

449
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Speaker 1: Way different. I mean, they're throwing the ball deep on

450
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Speaker 1: that on that final drive, they're going deep.

451
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Speaker 2: On first and ten from the twenty after getting the

452
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Speaker 2: miracle fumble through the end zone.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're going They're throwing that and they had it. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 3: they're deep. They're throwing the deep ball. All they needed

455
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Speaker 3: was a field goal and they'd had, you know, all

456
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Speaker 3: the stuff about the you know, the time of possession,

457
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Speaker 3: and I when we were touting that yesterday, I don't

458
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Speaker 3: know that it wasn't part of the game plan, that

459
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Speaker 3: it was more just a.

460
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Speaker 1: Function of symptom of where the offense was I they

461
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Speaker 1: really were. He really coached this team.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday evening in a way that it just screamed

463
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Speaker 3: that listen, I trust Mike players. He gave them this

464
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Speaker 3: game to win or lose. He didn't do that three

465
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Speaker 3: years ago. They wouldn't do it. And ye Sunday he did.

466
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Speaker 3: And his players couldn't get it done against a really

467
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Speaker 3: good team and a really good defense. You know, they

468
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Speaker 3: dropped a couple of long balls that should have been caught.

469
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Speaker 3: Certainly they would have been great catches, but they should

470
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Speaker 3: have been caught. The fake punt in his own end

471
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Speaker 3: on four. But this team never would have done that

472
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Speaker 3: three years ago, no way, and he's calling he's in

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Speaker 3: do it now. It was an atrocity, and you can

474
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Speaker 3: you know they execuse like, come on, you gotta against

475
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Speaker 3: ten guys. They couldn't get it done. I mean, that's

476
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Speaker 3: that's embarrassing. But he put it on the in the

477
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Speaker 3: lap of his players and his coaches and the whole guy. Everybody,

478
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Speaker 3: let's do it. I trust you. And they ultimately they

479
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Speaker 3: lost by three points in the Division round of the playoffs.

480
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Speaker 3: But I'm telling you this, they it was right there

481
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Speaker 3: and they got there, because in the last six or

482
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Speaker 3: eight weeks of this season, that's how he was playing it.

483
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Speaker 3: He was he was like, listen, I trust you guys,

484
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Speaker 3: you got to make it happen. And certainly he's got

485
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Speaker 3: a guy like Josh Allen, it's easy to you know,

486
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Speaker 3: give him the car keys. But he also did it.

487
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Speaker 3: I think with his staff. He never did that three

488
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Speaker 3: years ago. I think he was doing different things and

489
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Speaker 3: making different decisions. Three years ago. I do not think

490
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Speaker 3: he's the same coach he was, and I think it

491
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Speaker 3: was evident in the way that game played out. And

492
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Speaker 3: now you can say, well, they didn't get it. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 3: they didn't get it done there, and it's a tough

494
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Speaker 3: league to win it. But I still think he was

495
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Speaker 3: doing it the right way, which three years ago I

496
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Speaker 3: think we all had doubts about that. And I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, what was written said about him during this

498
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Speaker 3: season was a reflection of the people who were here

499
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Speaker 3: two or three years ago. This guy is I mean,

500
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Speaker 3: even in the things he said today, he goes no,

501
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Speaker 3: he goes what you tell your team.

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Speaker 1: At that time, I told him we gotta go for it.

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Speaker 1: He never said that before, He never acted like that before.

504
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Speaker 1: He never.

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Speaker 3: I mean you Brian Daball bristled at the fact that

506
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Speaker 3: he didn't like doing that.

507
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't let him do that, right.

508
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of what the fear you get

509
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: now two years later, you get the feeling that he

510
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: was like keeping his thumb on these guys not now,

511
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: and certainly didn't. It wasn't the result they wanted. But man, oh, man,

512
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Speaker 3: he that's how you got it. This is how you

513
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: gotta do it. You got to go for it on

514
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Speaker 3: fourth there. You gotta take your swing and run the

515
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Speaker 3: fake punt, throw it deep on first and twenty when

516
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Speaker 3: you gotta have it, you know. I just I just

517
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Speaker 3: really think when I when I stepped back in yesterday,

518
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: we didn't really talk like this because I was, you know,

519
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: we were all in a kind of a bad headspace yesterday.

520
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Speaker 3: But man o, man, I I gotta I gotta say,

521
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Speaker 3: man I, I'm optimistic now about the odyssey that we've

522
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: been on with this head coach. It didn't work out

523
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Speaker 3: this year, but man o, man they did it in

524
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Speaker 3: a way that I think as a former player, man

525
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Speaker 3: that's how that's the thing I want to be a

526
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Speaker 3: part of. That's what I wanted to be like, give

527
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Speaker 3: me the chance, and I don't think he always did that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he did that in the past.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones and get some of your reactions.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna lead off today with Kyle in Toronto. What

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Speaker 2: do you got for us? Kyle?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just I love the show. I was

534
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Speaker 7: just wondering what the future holds for for Hide and Floyer,

535
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Speaker 7: Like they're getting up there, so I'm wondering if they're

536
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Speaker 7: gonna be back next year, Like what's going on with them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Micah Hyde said he's gonna need some time to

538
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: decide on his future. He would be entering his age

539
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: thirty three season, and quite frankly, I think this team

540
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: has to get younger in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 2: I love Michaeh Hide, I love Jordan Poyer. What they've

543
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: done for this organization will be remembered for a long time,

544
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Speaker 2: just the foundational players they were for the McDermott era

545
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Speaker 2: and how they were at the forefront of the culture

546
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Speaker 2: change here after seventeen years of no playoffs. They were

547
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Speaker 2: front and center in leading that and both have served

548
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Speaker 2: as team captains. Hyde's contract is up. He'll be entering

549
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: his age thirty three season. He's had a history of

550
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: neck injuries. It would not shock me if he calls

551
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Speaker 2: it a career. I don't know anything, but it would

552
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: not shock me if he calls it a career. He

553
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: probably needs some time to contemplate that. I don't know

554
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: if the Bills have the kind of camp space to

555
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: take on what I would deem to be a luxury signing,

556
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: like a veteran like Micah Hyde. And if the cap

557
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: rubber meets the road and you got to make a

558
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: difficult decision, Jordan Poyer saves you five million dollars on

559
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: the cap if you release him. He's entering the final

560
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: year of a two year, twelve and a half million

561
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Speaker 2: dollar contract. And we saw Poyer fill a different role

562
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Speaker 2: this year, especially after Milano went down. He was essentially,

563
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, a dime linebacker for lack of a better term,

564
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: and did very well. And I thought he had his

565
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: best game of the season last Sunday and it was

566
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Speaker 2: the best defensive player on the field for the Bills.

567
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: So maybe there's a role for him, but if they

568
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: have to trim some cap money. This is an example

569
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Speaker 2: of where Brandon Bean said, we have to are we

570
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: going to count on some younger people and some important

571
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Speaker 2: roles next year? Yes? Why because of the cap situation.

572
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: They can't have as many veteran experienced players on this

573
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: roster anymore. Josh's salary goes up exorbitantly on his contract,

574
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Speaker 2: and that can be massaged, but it's still going to

575
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: be a task, and it's gonna have to be pulled

576
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Speaker 2: from other areas, and unfortunately, I think the aging secondary

577
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: is one of those areas. So this this could very

578
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: well be the last time we see Hide in a

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Speaker 2: Bill's uniform, maybe even Poyer, depending on how things shake

580
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: out going into this offseason. That's why I think re

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: signing Taylor Rap is important because he's a free agent

582
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: that was here on a one year deal, and you'll

583
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: probably have to find the If both of those guys

584
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: are gone, you'll have to find the other safety somewhere else,

585
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: whether it's free agency or the draft. Yeah, I wouldn't

586
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: be Times are changing here.

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00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: We were a little bit surprised last year they got

588
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: poorer back because when it went in, oh yeah, we

589
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: thought he was thought he was gone. Some of that

590
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: may happen with some of the other free agents, you know,

591
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 3: that the Bills have here the twenty three guys were

592
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: talking about, but Poyer and Hide, I think at this

593
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: point it is up to them whether they come back

594
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: or not how badly they want to play again together.

595
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: But certainly you know their age and the miles on

596
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: their chassis. I mean, it's take it from a guy

597
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: who played through a moment like that in his career

598
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: a time or two. You really got to gather yourself

599
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: and ask yourself how bad you want to play again

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00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: at a time like a couple of days after the season,

601
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Speaker 3: because a lot of guys are like man, I need

602
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: some time to heal up and to get my mind right,

603
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Speaker 3: particularly in a disappointing end to a season.

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Speaker 1: So we'll find out more about that as it comes.

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Speaker 3: But if they I would say this, if both of

606
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: those or either of those guys come back, it will

607
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: be a team friendly deal.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here. When we come back.

609
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Speaker 2: More of your phone calls. Also an hour number two,

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Speaker 2: we'll have ESPN NFL analyst Dan Orlowski one last time

611
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Speaker 2: this season to kind of put an epitaph on the

612
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Speaker 2: Bills season and their performance in the AFC Divisional playoff game.

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Speaker 2: The loss to Kansas City when we return here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Colid of Health, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, A coach Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 2: and GM Brandon Bain addressing the media earlier today, and

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Speaker 2: we're kind of navigating our way through a lot of

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Speaker 2: those comments. I also want to get some of your

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Speaker 2: feedback as well as we head into the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four off season. And let's get back to the phones

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Speaker 2: at eight oh three, five point fifty. Got an open

623
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Speaker 2: line or two for you there if you wish to

624
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Speaker 2: chime in as well. Let's go to Ree in north Tonawanda.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Reese?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 9: Chris?

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Speaker 10: I just got a question, since apparently only one member

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Speaker 10: of the Bills media only wants to ask Brandon about

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Speaker 10: Sean McDermott's future. I just want to know what year

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Speaker 10: do you guys think that we need to learn to

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Speaker 10: execute narrative at the most calm postgame press conference out there?

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Speaker 10: A four year divisional exit?

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Speaker 2: What year?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 10: Too many years?

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Speaker 3: I don't think he'd take him as a group. I

638
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: think he'd take him individually. Recent I'll say this, I

639
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: just said it a minute ago. I think Sean McDermott's

640
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: a much different coach now than he was three years ago.

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: And the play calling defensively and offensively at the end

642
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: of this last game that they lost is proof of it.

643
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: They're throwing deep multiple times on a drive they gotta

644
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: have it. They ran a fake punt in their own end.

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00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: There was a you can point to more than a

646
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 3: handful just in the fourth quarter of coaching decisions that

647
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott never would have made three years ago. So

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00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: the point that I've made time and time again is

649
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: that this guy has learned all these lessons that we've

650
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Speaker 3: all lived through with him, don't throw them away and

651
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: starts from scratch with another guy and prove and know

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Speaker 3: that every time you get a swing at it, you got.

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Speaker 1: A chance to do it.

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Speaker 3: This is the team that hasn't been beat by more

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Speaker 3: than six points all season, regular season or playoffs.

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Speaker 2: That was the so and that was with an offense

657
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: stuff virtual for six weeks. They had to change your coordinator.

658
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: And then when you did change your coordinator, Brandon Bean

659
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: said it today, when you take over in the middle

660
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: of a season. You can't put tweaks on an offense

661
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: and put your stamp on it as a brand new coordinator.

662
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: You have to use what's already there and make the

663
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: best of it. This offense was a triage situation the

664
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: rest of the season. After Joe Brady took over and

665
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: they won six of their last seven and a playoff game.

666
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of sayings that have done that.

667
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: And I'll say this too, I'm he it took him

668
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: a minute to get their mind around what they're gonna

669
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: have to work with on defense. After three two all

670
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: pros and and a keep cog in the middle and

671
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: Daikwon Jones went down, you know, you got Milano, you

672
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: got Tredevius White, you got Daikwon Jones, all gone, von

673
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 3: Miller who can't play, and you know, and their defense

674
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: still was top two or three in sacks all year

675
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: and got a ton of turnovers, which is what we

676
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: thought we needed last year as this season was about

677
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: to take off. So yeah, I get it. People are impatient.

678
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: They're sick of sick to death of thinking this team

679
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: will never go bast the division around the playoffs, They're

680
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: always gonna be you know, they're always gonna be behind

681
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes. Well, you know, if it's about Pat Mahomes,

682
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: it's not about Sean McDermott. I mean, you're not gonna

683
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: find anybody who's gonna beat Pat Mahomes every single time.

684
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: He Joe Burrow's doing it. But they got their own

685
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: problems in Cincinnati. They're not even in the playoffs, so

686
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: they didn't get a swing at the can.

687
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: So I get it.

688
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: Everybody's sick to death of going to Kansas City and

689
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: getting beat and then we finally get them into our

690
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: building and you think, wow, this is gonna be it. Well,

691
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: I told you, but going in at the ain't that easy.

692
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be that easy, and it's not gonna

693
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: be So I'm yeah, I get it. Everybody's sick today. Well,

694
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: everybody convinced themselves because it's easy to say we'll never

695
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: beat Pat Mahomes and Nandy Reid never.

696
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think we can. I think, and

697
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I think in the future we will.

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00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Coach McDermott put his faith in his players in this

699
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: playoff game. As Steve pointed out earlier, they called three

700
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: shot plays in this game. The receivers were open, the

701
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: pass was on the money, and they dropped all three

702
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: of them. The defense started its fifth and sixth linebackers

703
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: thus far this season on the depth chart and started

704
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: their fourth and fifth outside corners. So you're deficient on

705
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: defense and they didn't play great defensively.

706
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 11: We know that.

707
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: So look, we're not making excuses. Those are facts. You

708
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: had your third string linebackers and your second and third

709
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: string corners out on the field against Patrick Mahomes and

710
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and one of the best play callers of

711
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 2: his era in Andy Reid. That's a that's a tough

712
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: road to home, man. Yeah, and there with two minutes left,

713
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: they got a chance to win the game. They have

714
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: the ball and they're on the Chiefs half of the field,

715
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: but execution failed them again. And I know people are

716
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: tired of hearing the same answer, but it's a fact.

717
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: That's the way football plays were there to be made,

718
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: and they did not make them.

719
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Speaker 3: And I'll say this too, it's not about being conservative

720
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: or because they were not.

721
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: They weren't.

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00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Mike High said in his locker clean out interview yesterday.

723
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: Somebody said, what's got to change? He goes, we just

724
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: got to play better. We's got to play.

725
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Speaker 3: Better, not the sexy answer, it's not a hot take.

726
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: And you gotta play better on that day.

727
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: We got T shirts.

728
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: I got T shirts that say you gotta play well

729
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: on that day.

730
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Speaker 3: And the Bills played well, just not well enough, you

731
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: know they You got to make a play when it

732
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: comes down to it, when it comes to crunch time,

733
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: you got to You got to be the person that

734
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: wants the ball and gets it and knows what to

735
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: do with it when you do get it.

736
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Tom in Webster next, what's up Tom?

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Speaker 9: I got a couple three questions. I don't recall on

738
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 9: Sunday hearing Oliver or Jones's name mentioned at all. I mean,

739
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 9: they were in the game, I'm pretty sure, but not

740
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 9: to be sarcastic, but they did seem to have disappeared

741
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Speaker 9: as a factor. So I wondered if it's the near

742
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 9: assessment the Chief's offensive line was that good that they

743
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 9: could neutralize them. They pretty well neutralized Rousseau and Apanessa.

744
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 9: Douglas showed up from the booth for a penalty kind

745
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 9: of holding. Second question, where do you see the future

746
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 9: for von Miller? And the third given all the injuries

747
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 9: that they've suffered. What's the conditioning program like in Buffalo. Yeah,

748
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 9: to me, they mitigated a little bit if they were

749
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 9: really in tap condition. I'm assuming they're in condition, but

750
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Speaker 9: maybe NAT strengthening the right parts for their batty. I

751
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 9: guess right.

752
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Speaker 2: I would say to answer your first question, Tom, and

753
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. The defensive line did not play well.

754
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: They got out classed in that game, and that was

755
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: a key component of how things turned out. In my estimation.

756
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: Steve and I said going into the game, the defensive

757
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: front had to dominate. They had to dominate this game.

758
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: They had home field advantage. Their pass rush could get

759
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: off because of the noise that would be in the stadium.

760
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: The Chiefs offense would have to go on silent count.

761
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: Their tackles are the weakness of the offensive front. But

762
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: guard to guard it's the best hand It's the best

763
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: trio in the league arguably, and they completely neutralized Aikwon

764
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: Jones and Ed Oliver and whoever else rotated in there. Yeah,

765
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: the defensive front they underachieved grossly in this game. After

766
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: a very good regular season. They needed to step up

767
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 2: to help cover the deficiencies behind them. In the back

768
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: seven and they failed to do that in a big way.

769
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Speaker 2: They were non factors. To your point, You're one hundred

770
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: percent right. It might have been the biggest shortcoming outside

771
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: of the missed big plays on offense in the entire game.

772
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: They were nowhere to be found. In a year where

773
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: they consistently delivered and closed out games, they were nowhere

774
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: near Patrick Mahomes. They could do nothing to stop the run.

775
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: It was a bad game to have a bad day.

776
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: They were needed more than any other too, the defense,

777
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: and they came up woefully short. There is no debating that.

778
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: What about the other things he's talking about conditioning and.

779
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: Talking about the the about von Millery won know about Vaughn.

780
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: I think I said it last. Vaughn made a couple

781
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: of tackles and for loss in this game. I do

782
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: think he was trending upward. At a and a player

783
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: of his age, it's going to take time to get back.

784
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: I think he does have gas in the tank. He's

785
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: going to be back here next year. He's gonna play

786
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: and I think he's gonna have a way better. And

787
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: I know it's not saying much because the bar is

788
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: low after the year he put together for the bills here,

789
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: but I think he's gonna have a much better year

790
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: and be much more a much bigger contributor next year

791
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: than he was able to be this year. And about

792
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 3: the injuries and the system, it may be something systemic,

793
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: I doubt it.

794
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: This is the same protocols and stuff they use.

795
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: For two years in twenty twenty one when they were

796
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: the healthiest team in the league in consecutive years. They

797
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: come back and two years last two years, and some

798
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: of it is and I hate to say it, listen

799
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: because I think some of it was just bad luck

800
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: by the surfaces they played on. They go to Detroit

801
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: and have struggle, They went to London, had a couple

802
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: of guys go down in London, and other teams who

803
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: played on that surface also suffered some injuries as well.

804
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: Jets turf is a problem also, and yes, right met

805
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: life is also a problem mask Aaron Rodgers.

806
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: So it's.

807
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: Yes, there might be something in it systemic about the

808
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: injuries and all that stuff, but I think it had

809
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: more to do with where the team played, the surfaces

810
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: they played on, rather than what they're doing inside the building.

811
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: In short, this is what being said on Von Miller today.

812
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: When asked about him, he said, Vaughn wasn't that von

813
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: Millery wanted to be when he came back, But you

814
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: saw that explosiveness coming back at the end of the season.

815
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: It didn't fire on all cylinders all the time, but

816
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: in his estimation, it was trending up again. It's a

817
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: contract that they really can't get out from under until

818
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: next offseason. They could always come back to the bargaining

819
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: table and renegotiate it, but we'll have to see what

820
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: comes of that. And then Sean McDermott did say with

821
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: the last two seasons being beat up, banged up and

822
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: injured going into the playoffs, they will take a deep

823
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 2: dive into why that occurred. After the two seasons prior

824
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: to that, to Steve's point, they were the healthiest team

825
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: in football, so what has changed there may just be

826
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: a byproduct of having an older roster, but that's what

827
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: they will examine this offseason. Got to take a break here,

828
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: but more of your phone calls when we return here

829
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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned, all right, Welcome back

830
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

831
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Speaker 2: Back to the phones. We go into Tom and Lackawana.

832
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

833
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Speaker 5: Tom Hey, I've got about three questions in a quick comment,

834
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 5: I just wondered, what is Trey White's cellar cap hit

835
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 5: for next year? And if he is showing progress before

836
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 5: the draft or after the draft, would then lead to

837
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 5: next year's draft pick? Or do you think Benford could

838
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: move to safety? And do you think they could get

839
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: a second or a third round pick if they tried

840
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 5: to trade Elam And what do you guys think of

841
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 5: Callahan as a coach for Tennessee.

842
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Okay, first, yes, Benford could move to safety. It's something

843
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: that's been discussed before. However, I think if Trey White's

844
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: recovery doesn't go as expected, that move could be preempted.

845
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: I think it's important that they re signed Taylor rap

846
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: because you don't know what the future of Micah Hyde

847
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: is and based on cap constraints, you may not be

848
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: able to keep Jordan Poyer, who would save you five

849
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: million dollars if you moved him off the roster as

850
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 2: he enters his age thirty two season. And I would

851
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: also say that concerning Callahan, it's a young coach who's

852
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: worked with a lot of good quarterbacks. Over the years

853
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: in his coach career in the NFL, and that was

854
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: clearly what was attractive to the Titans, who believe they

855
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: have their franchise quarterback in Will Levis.

856
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: And also Tradevius White's cap hit this year sixteen point

857
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: four million. That's not sustainable and it's dead cap if

858
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: you cut him or released him. It's ten million against

859
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: the cap anyway. But you could restructure that any way

860
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: you wanted to. If you wanted to save instead of

861
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: moving Benford to corner, you want or to safety, you

862
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: want to move Trey White to safety, you could restructure

863
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: all of his money and get and save millions on

864
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: the cap.

865
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Speaker 2: So it's all up in the air though, and they

866
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: said this today, we really won't know until Trey's back

867
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: on the field, right. You have to see what you

868
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: have in him as a player, Like can he still

869
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: play corner? I mean, those are two really major injuries.

870
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm the last person that's going to

871
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: doubt Tredavius White and a comeback. But they have to

872
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: see they know what it needs to look like on

873
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: the field to determine whether he can be a successful

874
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: NFL cornerback or a successful NFL safety and Trey is

875
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: kind of a wiry player, you know, there's not a

876
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: lot of thickness to his frame. I don't know. I mean,

877
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past him. I think he could

878
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: probably play safety if necessary. But they're not going to

879
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: know until he is back on the field what he

880
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: is and is not capable of, and only then will

881
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: they be able to make an educated decision on him.

882
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

883
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: And Benford, they're a little bit more probably aware of

884
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: what he is and what he can be because he's

885
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: still mostly healthy.

886
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then as for Elam, there were some interesting

887
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: comments on him today. Coach McDermott again cited down to

888
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: down consistency. He didn't deny that he flashed when he

889
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: got opportunities, as we know, those opportunities were few and

890
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: far between, and he said that they're looking what they

891
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: need from him now is series to series consistency of play.

892
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: I kind of don't know if that's completely fair. How

893
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: are you supposed to develop consistency in your game when

894
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: you're playing once every ten weeks, But that's another story.

895
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: And then Brandon Bean concerning Elim I want to get

896
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: this exact comment because I thought it differed in some

897
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: way from what coach McDermott said about him. So let

898
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: me see if I can find it real quick here,

899
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: he said. Guys develop at different rates. This is Brandon

900
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: Bean on elim. The foot injury bothered Kayyeer coming out

901
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: of camp more than most new and he wanted to

902
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: win the starting corner job, so he kept pressing forward.

903
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: He said, the best thing we did was put him

904
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: on ir and let our medical team get him healthy.

905
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: We saw flashes of what he can do. He was

906
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: rusty when he came back, but he's a pro and

907
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: he works hard. He'll come back compete. He has a

908
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: good skill set. Anything can be earned, and I know

909
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: he'll put the work in this offseason. Sounds like the

910
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: door is far more open for him to challenge for

911
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: a starting role in the secondary with Brandon Bean than

912
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: it does with Sean McDermott. So I would prefer they

913
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: keep him on the roster for two reasons. One, if

914
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: you want the flexibility to move Christian Benford to safety,

915
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: you need depth at corner, and at the very least,

916
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: Elim is depth number. Two, you don't know what Tradevious

917
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: White's gonna look like when he comes back from the

918
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: achilles injury. Can he still play corner? Can he even

919
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: play safety? If not, you're gonna be looking to have

920
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: somebody to fill the role. And if Benford's going to safety,

921
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: you're gonna need Elim because Douglas is the only other

922
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: guy under contract. Dame Jackson's a free agent.

923
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: The only way I think about trading Elam.

924
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: Is if you get a two, And I don't know

925
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: if you're gonna get that.

926
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna get that.

927
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 3: If you get a two, then you could replace him

928
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 3: with a kid that's even younger and fits your style

929
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: more maybe whatever whatever characteristics you're looking for, you just

930
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: get pick for him that you could replace him right

931
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: away with cheap labor. But the other than that, I

932
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: don't Yeah, you've corner, there's We've talked about money positions

933
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: all the time. It's quarterback, it's pass rusher, and it's cornerback.

934
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: Uh and a left tackle maybe, so everything other than that,

935
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: those are money spots. You've got to have as many

936
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: of those as you can get, particularly some that are

937
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: gifted athletically. So yeah, I'm very hesitant to let Elim

938
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: go a trade. If you trade him for a good

939
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 3: enough draft pick. Okay, I'll listen, but yeah, I don't.

940
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: Know if you still think he can be a good

941
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: player for you in this league. So hopefully he gets

942
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: that opportunity. Break time for us. We got dan Orlowski

943
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: coming up here in our number two ESPN NFL analyst

944
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: with his final appearance of the season here on one

945
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Stay tuned.

946
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: This one Bills Live, presented by Kalida Health.

947
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to hour number two on a Tuesday,

948
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: which all season long has meant one thing. ESPN NFL

949
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: analyst and former NFL QB dan Orlofsky joining us his

950
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: segment brought to you by Ellicate Hotels. Fans, round up

951
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954
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, Well, for Bill's fans, it's an end

955
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: of the road again in the divisional round. And you know,

956
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Steve and I have been acting as therapists for the

957
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: better part of the last couple of days, and it's

958
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: very hard for fans to come around to There were

959
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: execution issues that compromised the bills chances of winning this

960
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: football game. There was also some personnel availability issues that

961
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: didn't help either on the defensive side of the ball.

962
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: But they're like, they got no explosive plays. I mean,

963
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: how can you play this kind of football and expect

964
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: to beat the Chiefs? And I'm saying to them, there

965
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: were three explosive plays to be made, and the receiver

966
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: dropped the ball all three times. It's a different game

967
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: if one or two of those are caught.

968
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I feel for Bill's fans. I've become a

969
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 6: huge fan of obviously the organization Bill's Mafia, Josh. And

970
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 6: so you watch that game and how it ends. You

971
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 6: prefer to lose thirty five to ten and just get

972
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 6: whooped and get beat and say, hey, we weren't good enough.

973
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 6: But for to end that way, I'm sure as brutal

974
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 6: and bitter, you know, when you sit there and you

975
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 6: watch the explosion I've had. I had a lot of

976
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 6: people yesterday. Obviously I was on TV all day yesterday

977
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 6: trying to fight the good fight when it came to

978
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 6: some certain stuff, and I had multiple people say, well,

979
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 6: you know, Josh completed sixteen for sixteen passes at or

980
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 6: behind the line of scrimmage and only ten or twenty

981
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 6: ten for twenty down downfield. That's not good and it's

982
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 6: a learning moment for ever. Like my job is to

983
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 6: educate won three drops. You know, one of those three

984
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 6: drops swings the game. Two of them, specifically, the one

985
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 6: to shirtfield on third down swings in a lot because

986
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 6: it's points and then obviously steps is massive, so there's

987
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 6: points there attached to it. Two the reason why those

988
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 6: stats are the way they are is Kansas City came

989
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 6: into this game. They played a ton of man coverage

990
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 6: and they wanted to get in your face and come

991
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 6: after you. They didn't do that against Buffalo. They played

992
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 6: a ton of zone. They played a ton of two

993
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 6: high shell That's not surprising to anybody. And so to

994
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 6: sit there and like be frustrated with the lack of

995
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 6: explosive plays. When a defense plays a certain way to

996
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 6: you and you've begged the quarterback to play a certain

997
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 6: way against that defense, he then does both he and

998
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 6: the play caller, and we try to hold that against him.

999
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 6: That's just not how real life works. So, you know,

1000
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 6: part of the lack of explosive plays was Kansas City,

1001
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 6: which is adamant and hell bent on not allowing them,

1002
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 6: and then obviously those drops. So you know, in the

1003
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 6: context of like, how did you have to play that

1004
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 6: game both as a play caller and a quarterback, it

1005
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 6: was pretty stinking good and darn near flawless, and so yeah,

1006
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 6: I mean it's the drops were huge. You know, I

1007
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 6: said this yesterday, Chris. The difference of the game. One

1008
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 6: team's guys made plays down the field, one team's guys didn't.

1009
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 6: Like that's just the truth.

1010
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: What do you say that?

1011
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: Also, there's always the particularly in a situation where the

1012
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: Bills f themselves, where they've gotten to the same level

1013
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 3: of the play well, the same level of the playoffs

1014
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: for three years after going to the AFC Championship Game

1015
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: four years ago. Now they're kind of stuck at the

1016
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 3: divisional round and they've lost twice to Kansas City, lost

1017
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: once to Cincinnati, and now it's starting to look like

1018
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: this is a coach that can't get us over the hump.

1019
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: This is a coach and this is a staff that

1020
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: just doesn't know how to win that big one. At

1021
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: the end of that game, I saw very different Sean

1022
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: McDermott making coaching decisions than we did three years ago

1023
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 3: in the thirteen second game, where they played so their

1024
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: players wouldn't make a mistake, And yesterday I thought they

1025
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: played aggressive in those situations by going down the field

1026
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 3: they did trying the fake punt, when they did going

1027
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: forward on fourth down in their own end. I thought

1028
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: they did everything to put the put the game in

1029
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: the hands of their players and say, listen, you guys

1030
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 3: can win this.

1031
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1032
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 6: Yeah. I completely agree. A lot of people have made

1033
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 6: a big deal about the fake punt that that is

1034
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 6: the age old sports thing. If it works, you're the

1035
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 6: smartest person in the world, and we praise Dan Campbell

1036
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 6: for it. Dan Campbell does it a time. We praise him.

1037
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 6: But now whether the design of the play is I'm

1038
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 6: not a special team's you know a so I have

1039
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 6: no idea to comment on that, but I I had

1040
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: no issue with it if it works to the smartest

1041
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 6: coach in the world and you got the biggest guts

1042
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 6: in the world. And if it doesn't, hey, defense bail

1043
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 6: me out. Jordan Ployer obviously does. So. You know again, yesterday,

1044
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 6: you know, there was the idea of you know, Bill

1045
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 6: Belichick there and I was just like, dude, Sean McDermott

1046
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 6: coached his rear end off this year. Everybody knows what

1047
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 6: the injury issues that were part of this season and

1048
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 6: the decision to move on from Ken Dorsey to Joe,

1049
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 6: and you know that's a roll the dice and get

1050
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 6: this team to where they are. I just don't view

1051
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 6: it the same way as the people saying, well, he's

1052
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 6: gotten us to a point. I understand the context of

1053
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 6: it and some of the comparisons have people made, if

1054
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 6: people have made, I just I can only go off

1055
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 6: what I watched this year, and I think he coached

1056
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 6: his rear endolph. Now do I think he's immune to

1057
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 6: Like I talked about it a lot this season. It

1058
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 6: obviously was a huge part of this game with tarn

1059
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 6: I want to be very clear, Taron Johnson's outstanding. He's

1060
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 6: a tremendous nickelback. But their commitment to playing nickel all

1061
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 6: the time it hurt them again, And I think that

1062
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 6: is something if you want me to be honest about, like, hey,

1063
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 6: what can they do different? I do think that has

1064
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 6: to be a part of their offseason conversation of like, hey,

1065
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 6: you know, like at some point we got to be

1066
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 6: willing to match personnel's on defense, and maybe that means

1067
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 6: taking this player off the field for a certain time.

1068
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 6: So I do think that's a place where we could

1069
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 6: be critical of McDermott. But I thought they went to

1070
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 6: go win the game, and you know, unfortunately, you know,

1071
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 6: a player here or there, a kick here or there

1072
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 6: doesn't allow that to happen.

1073
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And yeah, you're referencing how Chiefs went into

1074
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: thirteen personnel there and sometimes the Bills didn't put the

1075
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: third linebacker on the field and kept Tearron out there,

1076
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: and it was a problem at times in the game.

1077
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts Dan on the job

1078
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: turned in by Joe Brady. It's never easy when you

1079
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: have to take over as a coordinator mid season. And

1080
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean, who addressed the media today, mentioned this as well,

1081
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: because you can't really tweak it and put your own

1082
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: stamp on it midway through the season. It's more of

1083
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: a triage situation on offense. And I kind of felt

1084
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: like that's what it looked like the rest of the way.

1085
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: So the fact that they won six out of their

1086
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: last seven after Brady took over and then won a

1087
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: playoff game on top of that, just your thoughts about

1088
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: the functionality of the offense, knowing the situation under which

1089
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: Joe Brady found himself.

1090
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 6: Spectacular. You know, I remember, you know, being on with

1091
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 6: you guys and maybe there were five and six and

1092
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 6: six and six, and you asked me, like, hey, can

1093
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 6: they can they get to the playoffs? And I don't

1094
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 6: know what I said. I don't know if I said

1095
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 6: yes or no. I said, I know this. If they do,

1096
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 6: it'll have to be the best stretch of quarterback play

1097
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 6: of Joshua's life. And I think you can make the

1098
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 6: case that, you know, performance wise, it got up there.

1099
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if he was as hot as some

1100
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 6: of his runs he's had. But then you saw the

1101
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 6: growth of the offense. You saw this offensive line become

1102
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 6: a strength, you saw James Cook kind of become a

1103
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 6: focal point. You saw Shakir become a massive piece. Obviously

1104
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 6: the development of the two tight ends are big parts

1105
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 6: of that as well. And so I think, if you

1106
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 6: I'm sitting here four days removed or three days removed,

1107
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 6: two days removed, whatever it is, and what's the focal

1108
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 6: point for the Bills this offseason, and which is outrageous question,

1109
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: I guess in and of itself, but I think you

1110
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 6: start with can you keep Joe Brady like you can

1111
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 6: you keep Joe Brady because there's no way that you

1112
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 6: watched that last six or seven games and you say, hey,

1113
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 6: our offense didn't perform better and more efficient in the

1114
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 6: midst of chaos. And then I think number two question becomes,

1115
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 6: and I know it's sensitive what's going on in the

1116
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 6: wide receiver room. You know, what do they view Stefan

1117
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 6: Diggs as both in production and pay? And then what

1118
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 6: is their view or planned with Gabe Davis. I think

1119
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 6: those that's the number one thing they have to move

1120
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 6: forward to, because Gabe not being there was a big deal.

1121
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what has transpired with Steph when

1122
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 6: it comes to his ability to go be that guy

1123
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 6: where the attempts were there. I don't know if the

1124
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 6: production was as dominant as it has been in the past.

1125
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Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of where they have to start.

1126
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: Right And I would agree with you, and we've been

1127
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: talking about what's going to happen. Certainly you've got to

1128
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 3: have somebody line up in Gabe Davis's spot. I don't

1129
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: think that person's probably on the roster at this point

1130
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: if you count Gabe as not being on the roster

1131
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: as well. I mean, there's always a chance that he

1132
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: comes back like Jordan Poyer did at a team friendly

1133
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: deal where the free agent market isn't what we thought

1134
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: it was going to be and he ends up coming back.

1135
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: Who knows.

1136
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: But there's no question they need to be more productive

1137
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: on a consistent basis at the number two wide receive

1138
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 3: if STEP's number one, the number two guy. Because there

1139
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: were too many games where Gave Davis had zero targets

1140
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 3: and zero catches and there was multiple as.

1141
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: A handful of six games.

1142
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: You can't you can't live.

1143
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 6: Like that, nah, not, you just not in that conference.

1144
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 6: I know that, you know, not not in that conference

1145
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 6: when you got you know, freakazoi exact quarterback on a

1146
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 6: on a weekly week, week to week basis, and you

1147
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 6: know you're gonna see them come playoff football time. And

1148
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 6: so yeah, I think that's just that their biggest like

1149
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 6: focal point plan specifically on offense is you know, how

1150
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 6: are they going to treat it and how are they

1151
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 6: going to attack it? And you gotta there's also positives though,

1152
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 6: you know, like I don't want to turn this into

1153
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 6: a bash the wide receiver or you know, Doom and

1154
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 6: gloom wide receiver group. But Shakiir's development, You're got to

1155
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 6: sit there and go mine. We got a really good

1156
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 6: slot player and then obviously Dalton was great and not

1157
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 6: Dawson is as reliable as as you can get at

1158
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,959
Speaker 6: that Titan spot. So there's a lot of really good

1159
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 6: at the pass catching group. But I do think, you know,

1160
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 6: you have to be candid and reassess where it is

1161
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 6: and where it has to get to.

1162
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, Brandon Bean, who spoke spoke to

1163
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: the media today, was asked about Steph specifically. Now what

1164
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: can he say publicly? He said Steph is still a

1165
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: number one receiver in their eyes, and he also added

1166
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: that they have to put weapons out there to keep

1167
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: teams from bracketing him and locking him down, but he

1168
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: believes that Steph can still play. I'm of the belief

1169
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: Dan that with Jabe Davis being a free agent, them

1170
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: in a cap situation that doesn't lend the ability to

1171
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: go out and get a free agent receiver who's proven.

1172
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: You got to get two receivers on the first two

1173
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: days of the draft, one who's an one who is

1174
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: elite physical traits and an alpha dog who can assume

1175
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: the nonumber one role by the time the leaves are

1176
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: off the trees next fall, because that is when Steph

1177
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: Dig's production drops off precipitously, It's happened each of the

1178
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: last two years. So let Steff be your number one

1179
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: the first half of the year next season, and then

1180
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: when he tails off, this new alpha dogs ready to go,

1181
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: and then get me another burner who can stretch the field.

1182
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: You got to get two on the first two days

1183
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: of the draft, as I see it, to retool this

1184
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: offense and give Josh enough weapons where you do have

1185
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: the execution you need this time of year.

1186
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I completely agree. We're actually talking about that specifically

1187
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 6: with Mel Kuiper on NFL Live today because you know this,

1188
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 6: this draft class at that spot is really good, and

1189
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 6: I know the high end guys, the Rome Odunzs of

1190
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 6: the world of Marvin Harrison's junior those aren't going to

1191
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 6: be in the conversation. So actually, my specific question to

1192
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 6: Mel today is, Hey, there's that group of wide group

1193
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 6: of teams that are going to be drafting like late

1194
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 6: teens and early to mid twenties. Give me the wide

1195
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 6: receiver in that group that is going to be the

1196
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 6: conversation for like the Arizona, Buffalo, Kansas City that you know,

1197
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 6: you think is going to be drafted there that is

1198
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 6: actually a better player than where he's going to be

1199
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 6: drafted just because of the way the draft balls or whatnot.

1200
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 6: So I'll be fascinated to see and hear who his

1201
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 6: answer is because I agree, like I think, you know,

1202
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 6: if we if we take the the viewpoint of the

1203
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 6: conference and we look at the quarterbacks and the people

1204
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 6: that they have, everyone's got their guys plural, you know,

1205
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 6: and and and I don't know, you know, especially when

1206
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 6: Gabe went out, if that was the case. And so

1207
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 6: I agree Chris, like, you know, if they're gonna still

1208
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 6: view Steph as that one, treat him as is, but

1209
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 6: you better get somebody that's ready to step in.

1210
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I realize this is only one stat

1211
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: and you can't treat him in the vacuum. But in

1212
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: terms of catch rate, here's the breakdown of the receiving

1213
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: Corps player by player. Your top three catch rate players

1214
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: on the Bills this year. Shakir eighty six points and

1215
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: he was sixth in the entire league. Cook Cook eighty

1216
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: one point five. We realize a lot of higher percentage

1217
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: throws for backs, Okay, take it with a grain of salt.

1218
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: Kincaid eighty point two. Those guys are all in the

1219
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: top twenty five of the entire NFL. Diggs, Yeah, I know,

1220
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: higher volume, you're gonna have more drops. But sixty six

1221
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: point nine for your number one receiver, that's his catch rate.

1222
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: And then Gabe Davis fifty five point six, one hundred

1223
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: and seventy seventh in the league. That can't be your

1224
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: number two receiver.

1225
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I totally agree. We're actually doing something again

1226
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 6: on NFL Live today, and you know, again our job

1227
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 6: is to be really critical. I still Steph is awesome.

1228
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 6: You know, he's he's awesome. But if you look at

1229
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 6: like this backstretch and just compare him in Shaki, it's like,

1230
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 6: I think they have relatively similar targets, but Shakira's got

1231
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 6: more yards, he's got more touchdowns, he's caught the ball better,

1232
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 6: he's got more bigger plays, and so like you have

1233
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 6: to watch the tape, and the tape kind of lends

1234
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 6: itself to have a thought. And then when the number matches,

1235
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 6: then you have a relatively good group of information to go, well, what.

1236
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: Do we do with this?

1237
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 6: And first of all, why is it that way?

1238
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: You know?

1239
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 6: Why? Is it because the player has dropped off? Is

1240
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 6: it because the system didn't allow it? Was it because

1241
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 6: our style of offense is the quarterback at fault? And

1242
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 6: then where do we go from here? I do? I

1243
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 6: think those are really big questions for them.

1244
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.

1245
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: One of the you talk about it, I know the

1246
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: stat line you're talking about Steph Diggs and Shakir in

1247
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: the last ten games, they've got identical yardage and identical catches,

1248
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: and Shakir has thirty seven targets, Diggs has eighty, Diggs

1249
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: has eighty. You know, so it's or maybe has forty seven.

1250
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: Targets here had forty more receiving yards.

1251
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: Right, so you know, just because of the efficiency of

1252
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: his catch rate. I got to ask you this too, one,

1253
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: you know, on a more general note. So you're looking

1254
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 3: at A has got Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

1255
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow coming back.

1256
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: Now they've got C. J.

1257
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: Stroud, who we kind of know something about, Uh, Trevor Lawrence,

1258
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 3: who's who's taking a step back this year, but we'll

1259
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: see Will Levis has stepped up and Tennessee's gonna roll

1260
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 3: with this guy. And he's got some physical capabilities. Anthony

1261
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 3: Richardson will be coming back, Deshaun Watson, and of course

1262
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 3: the last guy that I'm mentioning is Aaron Rodgers by

1263
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: the way, right, so this this AFC conference, dude, I

1264
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: mean yeah, when but let's face it, the last guy standing,

1265
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: the last four guys standing or Josh Allen, c J Stroud,

1266
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson, and they're all playing at

1267
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: a really high level. I mean there's like, there isn't

1268
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: a there is not a weakness in any of their games.

1269
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: And standing on the outside looking in is you know

1270
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, He's gonna come back and be there. I

1271
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: mean there's I mean, that's a that's five of the

1272
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 3: impossible play, you.

1273
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1274
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just there's no room at the top

1275
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 3: of the AFC unless you've got a guy.

1276
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, even these you know.

1277
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: A special guy.

1278
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, a special guy. They're not just guys, they're special guys.

1279
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: What can he generalize? What can he generalize about that?

1280
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, if anything it's.

1281
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 6: If you don't have one, you don't have a chance.

1282
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 6: That's if you don't have you might play a bunch

1283
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 6: of games in September and October. No, you don't have

1284
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 6: a shot. And I think, like, obviously I was wildly

1285
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 6: passionate yesterday. I feel like I have been for a

1286
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 6: while now, and that's why I get so like frustrated

1287
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 6: with well, this player can't get to do this or whatnot.

1288
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 6: And I'm just I understand. I take a lot of

1289
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 6: pride and in trying to educate and analyze and being

1290
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 6: honest about it. And I'm just like you you have

1291
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 6: we have no idea how good you have to be

1292
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Speaker 6: to even have a chance to have a shot. And

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Speaker 6: Buffalo is one of four or five. I mean even

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 6: some of the guys you named, Steve, they don't really

1295
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 6: need they need like to catch the break. You know,

1296
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 6: Buffalo has a human being who plays quarterback that only

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 6: only wants to but can. And that's why sometimes some

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 6: of the conversation around the dude, I listen, I've met

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 6: Josh once. Everyone thinks that we're like we're best friends.

1300
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 6: I've met him once. I'm just doing my job as

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Speaker 6: good as I can. Buffalo has a quarterback that can

1302
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 6: stand face to face with the best player in the

1303
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 6: league and beat him. Now, he hasn't. His team hasn't

1304
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 6: done it when it's mattered the most. But it hasn't

1305
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 6: been because the guy's crapped down his leg. It's just

1306
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 6: because he didn't catch the break. That's it. And so

1307
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 6: the conference is loaded. That being said, Buffalo is gonna

1308
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 6: go in at that position to the twenty twenty four season.

1309
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 6: And if you had the biggest hater on the planet

1310
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 6: and the guy that was most anti Josh Allen, he

1311
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 6: would say that the third best at that position in

1312
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 6: the conference at worst.

1313
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something. Yeah, I know you tweeted out his

1314
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: sixty three yard rope on a dime to Digs. I mean,

1315
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: he just catches that ball, could be a different football game.

1316
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1317
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 6: I mean, all time great throw man, unbelievable.

1318
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: Unbelievable stuff. Dan, You've been unbelievable all season long as well.

1319
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for all the insight. You've been a fantastic addition

1320
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: to the show. We've gotten a lot of great feedback

1321
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: on our social media channels for the insight you add

1322
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 2: so thanks very much for all that you've given us

1323
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: on the football side of the ledger this season. We

1324
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.

1325
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 6: No, it was an honor. You guys are great, good people.

1326
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 6: You guys talk ball as good as anybody. So as

1327
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 6: much as it was, you know, enjoyable for you, equally

1328
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 6: for me. So I'm thankful.

1329
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, hopefully you get some downtime after the

1330
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Enjoy the offseason. Man. All right, that's Dan

1331
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: Orlowski es be an NFL analyst who was kind enough

1332
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 2: to join us all season long and weigh in on stuff.

1333
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I hope for fans that just gives

1334
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 2: you a little bit of encouragement that when you hear

1335
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: the players on locker clean out day say, you know

1336
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: we're on the right track here. You know there is

1337
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: no hump to get over. It's just a matter of

1338
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: playing better in the game that counts the most. And

1339
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 2: as you just heard Dan says, it's about just getting

1340
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 2: the break, just getting a break somewhere, one of those

1341
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: three deep balls and you're making a catch.

1342
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: You've got good enough players on your on your roster

1343
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 3: as well that they can make those breaks.

1344
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: You know they can. They can seize that moment and

1345
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to do.

1346
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: You need the opportunity, you need you know, the it's

1347
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: hard to do, and it doesn't happen for everybody, but

1348
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 3: you know that's the Chiefs. I mean, this was it

1349
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 3: was a dogfight. It was it was a scrap here

1350
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, and the Chiefs came out on top. And

1351
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: you know they're gonna move on the bills.

1352
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: And I get it too. It there's only so much

1353
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 1: room at the top of the heap. And if you keep.

1354
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: Staying at the same level in the playoffs year after year,

1355
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 3: you start to get this idea that something's catastrophically wrong.

1356
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: It's not. It's I just it's not the case.

1357
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the case. Let's jump back on the

1358
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: phones here real quick. Get a couple of people in.

1359
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: We go to Steph in only d next. What do

1360
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: you got, Stephy Steve good?

1361
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, I just want to I'll touch base with the draft.

1362
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 12: I know you guys discussed it with di O there

1363
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 12: that uh, you know, we have to get some wide

1364
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 12: receivers into your asap. But how aggressive do you think

1365
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 12: Bean will be impossibly trading on some future second third

1366
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 12: sport to try and move up and get the guys

1367
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 12: that are available this year in the deeper wide receiver

1368
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 12: draft that he truly wants.

1369
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 9: I mean, we know it's deep.

1370
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 12: There's those five guys that are projected to be all

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01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 12: first rounders. But what do you guys think about that?

1372
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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to come down to this, Steff. Ultimately,

1374
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: it's going to come down to their assessment of the

1375
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: receiver class as a whole. If they believe there is

1376
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 2: a tremendous drop off from the top five or the

1377
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: top six or whatever that top tier group might be,

1378
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: and they don't think they're in range of getting one

1379
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 2: of those players, well, then yeah, trading away future draft

1380
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: assets to get to a place where they can get

1381
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 2: one of those players. I could see them doing that,

1382
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 2: especially knowing that drafting right behind them this year will

1383
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: be the Kansas City Chiefs, who you know, are in

1384
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 2: the market for receiver talent with the flop that Micole

1385
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 2: Hardman's been and the disappointment that Valdez Scantling has been,

1386
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 2: they need more than what they have. Not to mention

1387
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 2: the fact that Travis Kelsey's thirty three years old, so

1388
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: you and look, Bean has been aggressive. I think there's

1389
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: only one draft where he hasn't moved up in the

1390
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 2: first round. So I could totally see that, but it's

1391
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: going to be predicated on what he and his personnel

1392
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: department deem the strength of the receiver class to be.

1393
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: If they think there's an alpha male that could be

1394
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: in the second round because the class is that deep,

1395
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: well then they'll happily take them at the bottom round

1396
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: one and not move. But if it is a drop off, yeah,

1397
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:30,879
Speaker 2: they could be aggressive.

1398
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they trade, it's probably because they there is

1399
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 3: a spot where they want to they feel like they

1400
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 3: have to get to to make sure the guy they

1401
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 3: want is there. And I'll say this, if they make

1402
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 3: that trade, like to say, the draft is going to be,

1403
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 3: I don't know when it is exactly like April twenty eighth,

1404
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: late April. If they make that trade in early March,

1405
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 3: it's because they've gotten feedback or they got an idea

1406
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 3: that that guy's not going to be there. This draft

1407
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 3: is not that deep.

1408
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: They got to get up.

1409
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 3: Or if they do it early in this process to

1410
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 3: make sure they get one, you can bet that is

1411
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: higher on that priority list. If they wait, maybe do

1412
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: it on draft day, they might still work. But I

1413
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: don't think they'll feel the desperation running up to the draft.

1414
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 3: They'll feel like they'll be able to get it done

1415
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 3: if you know, and that happens when you feel like

1416
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some really good options no matter what

1417
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 3: happens that day, if they start to get an inkling

1418
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: that they're going to get left out in the cold,

1419
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 3: you can bet they'll make that move as soon as

1420
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 3: they feel that.

1421
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: Got to take a break here, but more of your

1422
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: phone calls when we return. We'll lead off with Mark

1423
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 2: and Jersey City, but got some open lines for you

1424
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: at eighth three, five point fifty, so chime in if

1425
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 2: you wish as we begin to take a look at

1426
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 2: the Bills twenty twenty four offseason and react to some

1427
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: of the comments from Brandon being a head coach Sean

1428
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: mcermoan today here on One Bill's Live, Stay tum All right,

1429
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: welcome to back to One Bill's Live final half hour

1430
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: the show here. Want to get some phone falls in,

1431
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: so we go as promised to Mark in Jersey City. Next,

1432
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: what's that Mark?

1433
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, gentlemen, Thank you, I was I just wanted

1434
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 4: to say that, you know, I appreciate you guys personally

1435
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 4: you get me through a lot of days. Thank you

1436
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 4: do for a lot of bills fans. And I know

1437
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 4: I can be annoying. I know, I know UCB, so

1438
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 4: I trust me. You can't express how much I appreciate

1439
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 4: you guys.

1440
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: Sure thing.

1441
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 4: And the digs drop, the digs drop, and the reason

1442
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 4: that's so does he score on that because the dB

1443
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 4: had fallen? I think he If he doesn't, he the

1444
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 4: guy following up maybe tackles him at what at work

1445
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 4: inside the ten?

1446
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1447
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: Justin Reed laid out to make a play on the ball.

1448
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: He's on the ground.

1449
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 3: I think he digs got tripped up by Red at

1450
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 3: the end. But you know, if you catch it's he

1451
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 3: gets tripped up, he's tackled. So he went down anyway

1452
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: after trying to make the catch. So I doubt that

1453
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 3: he would have scored, But yeah, it was. It was

1454
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: an enormous play. It would have been insight if he

1455
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 3: would have kept his feet. Certainly, it's a different world.

1456
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: This is a sixty three yard throw through.

1457
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 3: The right and the ball comes down inside the thirty,

1458
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 3: So he's down inside the twenty five, even if if

1459
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: he catches it, even if he falls, just like he did.

1460
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's automatically in fuel goal range, but he's

1461
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, he's down inside the twenty five, probably

1462
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 3: in the twenty.

1463
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 9: Two, and so.

1464
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's it's big.

1465
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 4: It was painful because I feel like they could have

1466
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 4: they had. The reason that really hurts is because there's

1467
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 4: eight and change left. If they don't put it in

1468
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 4: the end zone, they tie, and there's another possession that

1469
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 4: he had with two timeouts, I believe, And that's why

1470
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 4: I felt like that was that's what made it so paramount,

1471
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 4: because I think there was another possession to be had

1472
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 4: in there, because you got to believe Casey was going

1473
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 4: to go back and do something the way they were playing,

1474
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 4: and just I'll just finish up with I'm glad they're

1475
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 4: gonna even though Brady did a great job, you know,

1476
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: like you said, CB, you know, cobbling together what he

1477
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 4: could without his own playbook, and I don't believe that

1478
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 4: there was the horses to do the things that they

1479
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 4: want to do on offense. They they haven't been able

1480
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: to create separation offensively wide receive wise for almost two

1481
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 4: years now. And I do like they're going to get

1482
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: outside candidates though, to look around, so they're just not

1483
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 4: handed to him and do what they did with with Dorsey,

1484
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 4: do their due diligence, because you see guys get schemed

1485
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 4: open all the time in this league. I mean, very

1486
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,560
Speaker 4: very you just there's I mean, the Lions did it

1487
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 4: to steal the game with that that tight end, like

1488
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 4: their third tight end. I don't forget his name right

1489
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 4: or something, and it just I just wish that, you know,

1490
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 4: they had something a little more like a Bobby Slowick

1491
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 4: or somebody like that, somebody more from the Shanahan you know,

1492
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 4: easy button throw world. Thanks for taking my call, guys.

1493
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say that true. It's interesting what if

1494
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 3: you're going to say, for instance, you're gonna open this up.

1495
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 3: This is kind of a neat question. We could talk

1496
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 3: about this for a minute. What kind of pedigree would

1497
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: Bill's fans demand to hand their this prize cow and

1498
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: Josh Allen hand their prize cow over to this guy

1499
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 3: and make sure he's you know, he's a farmer, not

1500
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 3: a butcher.

1501
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1502
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: I will say when coach McDermott hired Rick Denison Dennison,

1503
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 2: it was because he wanted somebody from the Shanahan Tree

1504
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: in terms of that offense. He always felt that that

1505
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: offensive scheme was the most difficult for him to defend. Now,

1506
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: by no means was Dennison his first choice, his second choice,

1507
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: or even his third choice, But that was that was

1508
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: the aim.

1509
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: Now.

1510
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: He obviously went in a different direction after that, and

1511
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 2: with great success with the hiring of Brian Dable. But

1512
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 2: you wonder if he considers somebody from that Shanahan Tree

1513
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: again as an outside candidate. So it'll bear watching here

1514
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: and be interesting to see what comes of it going forward,

1515
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: because again I think to a certain extent, Brady was

1516
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: handcuffed with what he had to work with because it's

1517
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,959
Speaker 2: a it's not any kind of system he has operated

1518
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 2: prior to coming here. B As you just heard our

1519
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 2: last caller mark outline, not a ton to work with

1520
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 2: in terms of players who could naturally separate. That was

1521
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why the change happened in the

1522
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 2: first place, and then third mid season. You can't tweak

1523
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: it and change it dramatically and put your own stamp

1524
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: on it. It's not your system. You don't want to

1525
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 2: throw too much at the players, and you're just trying

1526
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: to win a football game. So That's why I use

1527
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: the word trioge. That's what they were doing. They were

1528
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 2: triage and the rest of the season on offense, and

1529
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: they did it to the tune of six wins out

1530
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 2: of their last set games, six in a row. I mean,

1531
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 2: it was I don't want to say it's monumental, but

1532
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: that is a pretty big haul to pull down the

1533
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: pike and win the division and go to the postseason,

1534
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: win the.

1535
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 3: Division from being six and six. One of the things, too,

1536
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 3: you got to remember is there's a lot of this.

1537
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: We don't have any and nobody. I didn't hear anybody

1538
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 3: ask Sean this today in his presser, but.

1539
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: You got to know.

1540
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 3: That Sean McDermot and Joe Brady are having conversations like, Joe,

1541
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: what's next with the offense?

1542
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? What happened this year?

1543
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: What does it need? What does it need?

1544
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: What do we need to do?

1545
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 3: What do you want to do that we weren't able

1546
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 3: to do this year? What were you trying to get

1547
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: to that we never made a comp you never accomplished.

1548
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 3: What's your vision?

1549
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: You know?

1550
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 3: Basically, what do we need from Josh? And what do

1551
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 3: we need more of from Josh? What do we need

1552
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: less of what kind of offense does he like?

1553
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: What can you give him?

1554
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 10: What?

1555
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: All that stuff, you know, conversation after conversation about you know,

1556
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 3: the evolution that's going to happen this offseason with the

1557
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: wide receiver room and a little bit of flux, and

1558
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 3: you got an offensive line that's pretty much intact running

1559
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 3: back live. Yeah, that looks like it's got its lead dog.

1560
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 3: No problem.

1561
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: Where we at.

1562
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 3: And those conversations will be part of I don't know,

1563
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 3: a finger quotes or whatever, the interview process for Joe

1564
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 3: Brady being staying or going, or whether they're going to

1565
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 3: put it out there to outside people or what. That's

1566
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: what Joe Brady brings to the table. He knows what

1567
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 3: this offense has done, where it came from, where it

1568
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 3: needs to go, what its problems were.

1569
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: That's huge.

1570
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: But when you start dangling other guys out there, and

1571
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 3: they've had some they've got a pretty good resume themselves,

1572
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 3: they've worked with some other quarterbacks, they've gotten more out

1573
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: of an offense. They come with a different point of view,

1574
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe it's like, you know, maybe we

1575
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 3: do need to make the change. I don't know, but

1576
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 3: all that stuff's got to be talking about, and a

1577
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 3: lot of it has already probably happened and we're not

1578
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 3: aware of the result.

1579
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see where it goes this offseason.

1580
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: Let's go to Gary and Wheatfield next. What's up Gary?

1581
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how are you doing? Hopefully everybody's over the depression?

1582
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 11: I know you two guys are. You're maya elixir? What's

1583
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 11: all I can say?

1584
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Happy to help?

1585
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's better than cocaine.

1586
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: I will take your word for it.

1587
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 11: All I can say is you gotta admit I don't

1588
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 11: know how many you know, well, we know how many

1589
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 11: Bills fans are. But has been let us down yet?

1590
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 11: I'm gonna say no, And I think being the bean

1591
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 11: counter is going to come through again. The team's gonna

1592
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 11: just level out, be the same team, hopefully better in

1593
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 11: some position. You know, who knows. We might get a

1594
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 11: gold hit, a gold knucket or a gold bar and

1595
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 11: a DT or whatever. But do you have a couple

1596
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 11: of rule questions real quickly? One the Miami game, when

1597
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 11: Surefield made that catch in the end zone off the helmet,

1598
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 11: if the ball hit the goalpost, is to play dead?

1599
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: Yes?

1600
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 11: Yes, okay, because I guess the goals to considered out

1601
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 11: of bounds. I would assume yeah, it's correct. Yeah, Okay.

1602
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 11: The other question is what is the purpose of the

1603
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 11: rule in the game yesterday or the game Sunday where

1604
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 11: if a player is half out of bounds and the

1605
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 11: ball touches his helmet, the ball is considered out of bounds.

1606
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 11: What's the purpose of that rule? Is that somebody do

1607
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 11: something that back in the day that did need to

1608
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 11: created this rule.

1609
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, uh, and Gary, here's the thing

1610
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 3: when you when you don't when if the ball is

1611
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 3: in play and somebody from out of bounds touches the ball.

1612
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: On an extension of the sideline by rule.

1613
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's the rule. If you touch the ball

1614
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: and you're out of bounds, the ball is out of bounds. Now,

1615
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: the reason for that is.

1616
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: Is I don't know if I'm exactly right, but I'll

1617
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 3: put it in a generalized terms. It opens up an

1618
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: enormous amount of unintended consequences if you don't keep the

1619
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 3: ball in play, if the ball is allowed to be

1620
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 3: touched by somebody out of bounds, because you could have

1621
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: a guy stand out of bounds and tip a ball

1622
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 3: out of bounds back into the end zone, one of

1623
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 3: your guys catches it. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's

1624
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 3: all of it.

1625
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: It has to, you know.

1626
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of different examples of that.

1627
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: A lot of them take place on special teams, which

1628
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: is why they have illegal touching.

1629
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: That's it opens up covering a kick.

1630
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 3: It opens up a multitude of unintended consequences, and it

1631
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 3: keeps it very simple and very straightforward that if a

1632
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 3: player is out of bounds and he touches the ball

1633
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 3: that's inbounds, the platter of the circumstances, a matter of circumstances,

1634
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 3: the ball's out of bounds. Now, I don't know if

1635
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 3: it's the truth. If there's a player out of bounds

1636
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: and he reaches in and touches the ball, like in

1637
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 3: another player whose inbounds has the ball, that's I think

1638
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 3: that's different.

1639
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: That's because someone else has possession. That's yes, that's possession. So,

1640
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: but if it's a loose ball and it touches anybody

1641
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: who has any kind of contact with the sideline or

1642
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: the end line, it is out of bounds. That players

1643
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: considered an extension of the sideline for some of the

1644
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: reasons that Steve outlined. Let's take a quick break here

1645
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: and try to squeeze in a phone call or two

1646
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 2: when we come back here on one Bill's Live. Stay tuned,

1647
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 2: Hime for a couple more phone calls here real quick.

1648
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: We'll go to Jason right. What's up, Jason, Jason, are

1649
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: you there?

1650
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm here, Chris, Yeah, go ahead, you're on.

1651
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 8: I just wanted to add my two cents to an

1652
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 8: answer you gave to the caller before. But how aggressive

1653
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 8: being might be in the draft? I think they just

1654
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 8: you know, a lot's gonna happen between now and the draft.

1655
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 8: But they've got a lot of position is in need.

1656
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 8: They have a need to get younger, and they have

1657
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 8: a need to get guys on cost controlled contracts, and

1658
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 8: I think you do that through the draft. So I

1659
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 8: wouldn't put any past Brandon based on his past history,

1660
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 8: but I'd be surprised if think it's too crazy and

1661
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 8: gives up too much draft capital this year, maybe even next.

1662
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 8: But anyways, that was just my two cents. Thanks for

1663
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 8: taking my call.

1664
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Jason. You know you're not wrong. I mean,

1665
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: they will have ten picks. Everybody. I think we're all

1666
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: under this pretty safe assumption that they're going to get

1667
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 2: a third round compensatory pick for the loss of Tremaine

1668
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: Edmunds and free agency, so that will get a third

1669
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 2: back because as you know, they traded their third way

1670
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: to acquire Rasul Douglas. But they should get the third

1671
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: back at the end of the round as a compensatory

1672
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: for Edmunds. So that would give them ten total picks.

1673
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 2: That's a lot of draft capital to work with, and

1674
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: they may need every single one of them, so it

1675
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: might have to be a future pick that they part

1676
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 2: with in twenty twenty five to move somewhere on the

1677
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 2: board where they feel they need to get a player

1678
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 2: that they can cover it. So we'll have to wait

1679
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: and see. There's there. Will got a long time between

1680
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 2: now and then play of time to talk about it.

1681
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna end up in Indianapolis before all this.

1682
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: Comes Oh yeah, it comes down. Let's go to Mark

1683
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 2: in West Seneca. We got Mark real quick, guys.

1684
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 13: I wanted to bring up the injury thing. I think

1685
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 13: the NFL owners have got to really start looking at

1686
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 13: this hard. I'm getting really frustrated with the game being

1687
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 13: war of attrition and when we get to the end

1688
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 13: of the season, and the Bills are not the only

1689
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 13: ones that you have a shell of the team that

1690
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 13: you had that you started with at the beginning of

1691
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 13: the year. Because there's so many injuries, I think they

1692
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 13: need to start looking at this as you know, they're

1693
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 13: going to eighteen games, so I think they should be

1694
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 13: looking at this as a six game segments, a bye

1695
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 13: week after week six, alternate AFC, NFC, work it into

1696
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 13: the schedule, same thing after week twelve. Maybe go to

1697
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 13: joint practices only at the beginning of the season. Maybe

1698
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 13: one preseason game and that's it. But because that, I mean,

1699
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 13: people are paying lots of money, hundreds of dollars for

1700
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 13: that game on Sunday to go watch a team that

1701
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 13: has half of their defense on the field. And we

1702
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 13: get how many quarterbacks went down this year. And I

1703
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 13: know there's no guarantees and guys get hurt all during

1704
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 13: the year, but they need these guys and I need

1705
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 13: to start getting some rest, all right.

1706
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 3: And I would encourage you to call back. This is

1707
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 3: a topic that we could go into deep because there's

1708
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 3: a lot in it. And you're right, they are going

1709
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 3: to go to eighteen games, but they're probably going to

1710
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 3: go right to the tasker plan.

1711
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,879
Speaker 2: Tosh has two bye weeks. Should also have expanded rosters

1712
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: to take the load off of the players that are

1713
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 2: under a tremendous demand all season.

1714
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 1: We've got a whole off season to talk about it.

1715
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 2: Mind. That's it for us today. We'll see you tomorrow

1716
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: at one