WEBVTT - Leslie Himmel: Opportunity in Real Estate Asset Bubble (Audio)

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<v Speaker 1>Hayes along with pim Fox, continuing our very special live

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast today from the midtown Manhattan offices of Eisener Amper,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the leading tax and advisory companies in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're gonna be talking, in fact to one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most prominent women in the New York City

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<v Speaker 1>real estate industry. She's become one of New York's most

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<v Speaker 1>active owners, having accumulated a substantial portfolio PIM of commercial

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<v Speaker 1>real estate holdings valued in excess of one billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>How was the number of one, Leslie Himmel, managing partner

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<v Speaker 1>Himmel and maron golf properties. But right now let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Charlie Parks Bird Business Flash and I thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much pim Fox, and thank you Kathleen Hayes. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a down day on Wall Street twenty nine minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead of that closing bell on this Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Final trading week for the month of September, SMP five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred index now down fifteen. That's a decline of seven

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<v Speaker 1>tenths of one percent. Banks financials declining today. Deutsche Bank

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<v Speaker 1>is down six point nine percent the down down one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thirty four points off of session lows, but down

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<v Speaker 1>seven tenths of one percent. Nas Stank is down eight

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<v Speaker 1>tenths of one percent. A federal appeals court has ruled

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<v Speaker 1>involves about fifty billion dollars of merchant fees annually. American

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<v Speaker 1>the lender. Deutsche Bank down now by six point nine percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oil producing nations have been considering limiting an output to

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<v Speaker 1>Crewde advancing today up two point six percent. West Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Intermediate of a dollar eighteen of barrel to forty five

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and sixty five cents Gold up to climbing two

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<v Speaker 1>tents of one percent to thirty nine and at three

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<v Speaker 1>from the offices of accounting and advisory firm Eisner Amper

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<v Speaker 1>as they prepare for their annual real estate Private Equity

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<v Speaker 1>Summit this Wednesday. Down appear sixty and there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be hundreds of private equity investors, real estate developers and

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<v Speaker 1>more talking about the real estate investment environment. So how

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<v Speaker 1>perfect that we have with us today one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most prominent women in New York City's real estate industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie Himmel, managing partner, founder at Himmel Amerngolf Properties. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, it's great to meet you. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>having me. So tell us a bit about your company,

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<v Speaker 1>what part of the real estate industry you specifically fit into.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Marengolf and myself formed Himmel and Marengolf Properties about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two years ago, and through the past three decades

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<v Speaker 1>have accumulated a privately held portfolio of secondary office buildings.

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<v Speaker 1>Were known for buying an emerging neighborhoods like Times Square

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<v Speaker 1>before before it became popular, Park Avenue South Back actually

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy nine, Uh down on no Ho soho.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything now has a name. We purchased something out in

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<v Speaker 1>Long Island City in six So we've been known for

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<v Speaker 1>buying properties emerging neighborhoods, renovating, repositioning and retending and then

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<v Speaker 1>holding them for the long term. We have continued in

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<v Speaker 1>this market we have a few billion dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 1>secondary office buildings. We are continuing to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time on renovating our properties, financing as much as

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<v Speaker 1>we can in the lowest interest rate environment that we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen, and getting ready for what we think is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a change of a cycle. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>delighted that sum If I have had a fantastic partnership.

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<v Speaker 1>Very unusual two individuals have a masked portfolio and stayed

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<v Speaker 1>partners for so long. UM. Steve Maradas probably my my

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<v Speaker 1>best friend and challenges me every day, is an engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and training. We have our own management and leasing company

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<v Speaker 1>that helps us keep those buildings full. The effort to

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<v Speaker 1>put together this whole portfolio, as you mentioned more than

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years. What would you do now if you were

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<v Speaker 1>just getting into the business, where would you be looking? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up every learning feeling like I am just

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<v Speaker 1>getting back into the business, as I wake up saying

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<v Speaker 1>what can I do today to increase my portfolio? UM,

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<v Speaker 1>my son's over at Jamestown Properties. I guess he's just

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<v Speaker 1>starting in the business. You can't really find properties as

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<v Speaker 1>much off market like we used to. UM, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're asking a really good question, because Steve Maronoff

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been asking how do we reposition ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>this year after building a war chest of a few

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollars of cash to go and buy as

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<v Speaker 1>the cycle starts to change, and where will those opportunities exist?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you where we think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen is the last few years we've had a rising

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<v Speaker 1>tide and an a rising tide. The operator is almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a janitor or a custodian, and it's they're important.

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<v Speaker 1>But asset values keep going up as interest rates change,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the twenty million square feet of property

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<v Speaker 1>gets added to the commercial stock in New York, we

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<v Speaker 1>believe that they'll be a little bit of a tide

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<v Speaker 1>going down. And that's when the operator becomes so important

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<v Speaker 1>than we become the captain of the ship and very

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<v Speaker 1>very important. So I would keep going at the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing in a slightly different energy level. So changes SoC

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the interest rate credit cycle, I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't aside Eric Rosingrand, president of Boston FED, who

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<v Speaker 1>I had a chance to speak to a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times out of the Jackson Whole FED conference in August

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<v Speaker 1>has given a couple of speeches lately his worry about

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<v Speaker 1>a commercial real estate bubble. Do you see anything like that?

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<v Speaker 1>And are you then kind of girding for this change

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<v Speaker 1>from pools of liquidity everywhere, very low rates around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Is something less generous? That's a great question, and the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that is yes. Trees do not grow to heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Interest rates don't stay at zero forever. Uh. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a chart last week at M and T s board

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<v Speaker 1>meeting where I'm on their board, where we had a

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<v Speaker 1>chart of all the negative yield bonds that are being

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<v Speaker 1>held in Europe. Um. We know this will change. And

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<v Speaker 1>what my concern is in real estate when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a zero interest rate environment, we just we just borrowed

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<v Speaker 1>for at fourteen sixty Broadway at three point six percent

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<v Speaker 1>interest only ten years. It's record lows. We love it,

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<v Speaker 1>but that might be causing an asset bubble, which, for

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<v Speaker 1>operators like ourselves, will create an opportunity to buy again.

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<v Speaker 1>That opportunity assumes that you've got the cash or the

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<v Speaker 1>wherewithal in order to execute. Are most people prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>that or is that an outlier? Do you find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>having to explain why you're holding money on the side.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Warren Buffett was a market timer and would

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<v Speaker 1>hold cash when he really thought it was president to

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<v Speaker 1>do so. Oh, and we're similar. A lot of our

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<v Speaker 1>competitors will finance. Maybe you don't want to have as

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<v Speaker 1>much cash on the sidelines. That's been our philosophy. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been frozen in the eighth inning for quite a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, perhaps we have some extra innings to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're ready to pounce when that market changes. Well pounds, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're looking forward to say how it goes it

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<v Speaker 1>Pouncings work pretty well for you so far. Great, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much. Leslie Himmel is a managing partner and

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of Himmel and Maringough Properties based in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. Talking about the future of New York City

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<v Speaker 1>real estate. Thank you very much for being in anticipation

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<v Speaker 1>of the fourth annual Yes Eisner and for Real Estate

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<v Speaker 1>Private Equity Summit taking place at Pier sixty on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>a preserve that's ready to raise interest rates. Very important

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<v Speaker 1>for the real estate market is our continue our special

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<v Speaker 1>live broadcast here at Eisner Emper. We're gonna look at

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<v Speaker 1>the bond market with Dan Fuss of BLOOMA. Blumas sales

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