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I am Joshua PE Warren, 16 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you 17 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, and weird experiments 18 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more on 19 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: this edition of the show, Zombies, Scary or Silly. I'm 20 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: starting this podcast by letting you know right up front 21 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: that I have never really been into zombies. I have 22 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: known people who are absolutely terrified of them, but to me, 23 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: the concept of zombies has always just seemed kind of silly, 24 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: scary looking, yes, no doubt, but still just a little 25 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: too far fetched for me to take seriously. I just 26 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: was not all that interested, and so I don't think 27 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: I have ever done a podcast featuring zombies. And when 28 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: I realized that a few days ago, I decided that 29 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: if I could dig into zombies and find a way 30 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: to make them an interesting topic for me, well, then 31 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: hopefully it would do the same for you. Now, don't 32 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: get me wrong, I have read all about them throughout 33 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: my life, and even before doing research for this show. 34 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew more about zombies than the average person. 35 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we've all seen at least one movie 36 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: or TV show featuring a kind of zombie. But the 37 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: meaning of the word zombie has changed dramatically over the years. 38 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: As I will explain, zombies were once considered helpless, soulless slaves. 39 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: A person who became a victim who had been zombiefied, 40 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: sometimes even as a punishment. There was absolutely nothing to 41 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: fear from a zombie. That was the point. They were helpless, 42 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: and now most people think of zombies as attackers, as 43 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: humans that have transformed into some kind of flesh eating monsters. 44 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: So it's almost a complete one eighty really, and that's 45 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: a weird twist and actually kind of unexplained. I'm going 46 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: to get into that. But when it comes to movies, 47 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: the very first feature length zombie film was White Zombie, 48 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: released in nineteen thirty two starring Bela Legosi. It has 49 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: been a long time since I saw that movie. I 50 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: don't remember a lot about it, but it's about a 51 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: young woman's transformation into a zombie at the hands of 52 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: an evil voodoo master, and of course be La Legosi 53 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: stars as the zombie master. So that is a good 54 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: example for you of the zombie being a person who's 55 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: been victimized and turned into this helpless thing. However, all 56 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: that kind of changed in nineteen sixty eight when George A. 57 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: Romero's movie called Knight of the Living Dead came out. 58 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: In that case, and this is kind of interesting, I'll 59 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: dig more into that movie later, they were never called 60 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: zombies in that movie. They were called goules apparently, But 61 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: later the beings in that movie were being described as zombies, 62 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: and that was when they were attacking people and eating them, 63 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: and that just sort of completely shifted this whole idea 64 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: of zombies from being this sort of passive type of 65 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: being into this very aggressive, scary thing that's coming in 66 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: to invade and kill you. Odd how all that happened. 67 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: So you know how the creatures in contemporary zombie films 68 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: came to be called zombies, It's not fully clear. And 69 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, Romero used the term ghoul in his original scripts, 70 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: and it seems like that later on some of the 71 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: media started using the word zombie, and then of course 72 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: he picked it up, and then he started using it 73 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: as well. But anyway, all that said, I was thinking 74 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: about how I was going to approach this topic, because 75 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: there are some really interesting, realistic aspects of zombie lore 76 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: that I find most intriguing. I actually bought this book. 77 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: It's over three hundred pages and it's called Everything You 78 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Ever Wanted to Know About Zombies, and I guess it's 79 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: written by the top zombie scholar. His name is Matt Mock. 80 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: I guess I'd say he pronounced his last name m 81 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: og K, with a foreword by Max Brooks. Do you 82 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: know who Max Brooks is Max Brooks is one of 83 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: the top experts on zombies and zombie lore. And he, 84 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: oddly enough, is the son of filmmaker Mel Brooks, who 85 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: of course has known for his comedy classics like Young 86 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles. And his mother was Anne Bancroft, 87 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: and she's no longer with us, but she was a 88 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: very popular actress. So their son, the son of Mel 89 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: Brooks and Anne Bancroft, is Matt Brooks, and he writes 90 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: all this stuff about zombies. Let's see here, he wrote 91 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: World War Z and Oral History of the Zombie War. 92 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: That's just kind of one of those funny, weird things 93 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: that some people don't know about. So I have this 94 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: book here that just really is kind of like the 95 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: Bible on the history of zombies. I'll refer some to 96 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: that a little bit later, but first off, let's just 97 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: get down to some basic definitions. According to Wikipedia, a 98 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: zombie is a mythological undead corporeal revenant. Let me let 99 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: me pause there for a second. Okay, well, I think 100 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: we all know what undead means. Corporeal means you actually 101 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: have a physical body, So we're not talking about some 102 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 1: phantasm like casper here, and a revenant is an animated corpse. 103 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: The word revenant is derived from the old French word 104 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: mean that means returning. Right, So that said, we're talking 105 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: about an undead, corporeal revenant created through the reanimation of 106 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: a corpse. It says zombies are most commonly found in 107 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: horror and fantasy genre works. The term comes from Haitian folklore, 108 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: in which a zombie is a dead body reanimated through 109 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: various methods, most commonly magical practices in religions like voodoo. 110 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: Modern media depictions of the reanimation of the dead often 111 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: do not involve magic, but rather science fictional methods such 112 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: as carriers, fungi, radiation, mental diseases, vectors, pathogens, parasites, scientific accidents, 113 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: et cetera. And goodness knows, I'm not going to break 114 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: it down into all those little categories because this really 115 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: would be a you know, like a four hour podcast. 116 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: But it is believed that well there there are various 117 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: opinions about the origin of the word zombie, but many 118 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: authors compare it to the Congo word vumby which that 119 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: actually means a ghost, a revenant of corpse, something that 120 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: still retains the soul versus a well. Actually, I guess 121 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: it has something to do with like whether or not 122 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: you have a soul. It's that kind of thing, all right, 123 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: So that's what we think it probably comes from. But 124 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: if you go down here and you start looking into 125 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: some of the beliefs, like the very original traditional beliefs here, 126 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: zombies are featured widely in Haitian rural folklore as dead 127 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: persons physically revived by the act of necromancy or a 128 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: sorcerer or witch. And a zombie remains under the control 129 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: of the witch they call them a bokor it looks like, 130 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: remains under the control of the witch as a personal slave, 131 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: having no will of its own. And so right there 132 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know again this idea that it 133 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: is it's a helpless entity. So that's kind of like, 134 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, what the tradition goes back to. And this 135 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: is not just from Haiti though, I mean there are 136 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: people from out you know, from throughout that general part 137 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: of the world as well as Africa that all have 138 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: some kind of a belief system that revolves around this, 139 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: and I think that is best exemplified by this book 140 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: that was made into a movie called The Serpent and 141 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: the Rainbow. I know some of you have at least 142 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: seen this movie. The book was written in nineteen eighty 143 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: five and the movie came out in nineteen eighty eight. 144 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: And it's a really interesting story, and it's based on 145 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: well what supposedly happened to a real man who became 146 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: a zombie and then escaped and was able to rejoin 147 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: us and tell everybody what that experience was like when 148 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: we come back. I'm going to give you the facts 149 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: on that case. It's a wild story and a great 150 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: place to really start seeing your teeth into the mystery 151 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: of the zombies. 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Welcome 171 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 172 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Coast to HIM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, 173 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your 174 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: wormhole brain from my studio in sim City, Las Vegas, Nevada. 175 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: Wherever he is Golden End every night is silver a 176 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: gietato zoomme. And when you look at this whole overview 177 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: of the sort of pop culture history of zombies, says here. 178 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: One of the first books to expose Western culture to 179 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: the concept of the voodoo zombie was W. B. C. 180 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: Brooks The Magic Island, published in nineteen twenty nine. Never 181 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: heard of that one. But then, of course they say. 182 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: A new version of the zombie, distinct from that described 183 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: in Haitian folklore, emerged in popular culture during the latter 184 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: half of the twentieth century. This interpretation of the zombie 185 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: as an undead person that attacks and eats the flesh 186 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: of living people is drawn largely from George A. Romero's 187 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: film Night of the Living Dead from nineteen sixty eight, 188 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: which was partly inspired by Richard mathe novel I Am Legend. 189 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: And of course from here you know that that gave 190 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: rise to like Dawn of the Dead, Return of the 191 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Living Dead, and then it all just really takes off. 192 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: Who doesn't love Michael Jackson's thriller video, right, And then 193 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: you start working your way into the nineties Resident Evil, 194 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: House of the Dead. My goodness, this Sean Down of 195 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: the Dead remake Sean of the Dead. Of course, the 196 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Walking Dead franchise comes out of that. I mean, it 197 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: just goes on and on and on. But when we 198 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: go back to that original story about you know what 199 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: is zombie was in Haiti Going back to who knows 200 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: who is this something that could have been around for 201 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: thousands of years, hundreds of years, I don't know, but 202 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: it takes us to this story from well. Like I 203 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: mentioned The Serpent in the Rainbow. That was a book 204 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: published in nineteen eighty five and made into a movie 205 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: by Wes Craven in nineteen eighty eight. The full title 206 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: of the book was The Serpent and the Rainbow, A 207 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: Harvard Scientist's Astonishing Journey into the secret societies of Haitian voodoo, 208 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: zombies and magic. And it was written by Wade Davis, 209 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: who is still alive, by the way, and still conducting 210 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: research at sixty nine years old. Now. Wade Davis is 211 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: an ethno botanist. Now ethno botany is the study of 212 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: a particular region's plants and their practical uses through the 213 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: traditional knowledge of a local culture and people. So you're 214 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: going there and you're really digging into the relationship between 215 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: people and their indigenous plants there. And in the late 216 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, this scientist, Wade Davis, read a newspaper article 217 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: about the supposedly true story of a man in Haiti 218 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: named Clivius Narcis. And this man had supposedly been a 219 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: zombie slave for at least two years before escaping. So 220 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: here is the story as I understand it. So in 221 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: a nutshell, this man in Haiti, Clarvious Clervius and his brother. 222 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: They lived in this very remote part of Haiti, and 223 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: they got into a prolonged land dispute. They were arguing 224 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: over some piece of land and it got more and 225 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: more heated, and eventually Clarvius's brother got a local witch 226 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: doctor involved to help him. Apparently Clivious was drugged. So 227 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: that's the idea of the story, is that Clivius's brother 228 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: got a witch doctor and they conspired and they drugged 229 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: Clarvious in some manner. He doesn't remember what happened, but 230 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: he did remember feeling some agonizing pain at some point, 231 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: and also at some stage in this although he was 232 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: fully conscious, he found that he was lying somewhere completely paralyzed. 233 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: In fact, two American trained doctors pronounced this man dead. 234 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: They issued an official legal death certificate, and Clivious actually 235 00:18:53,440 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: remembers being nailed into a wooden box and being buried, 236 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: although he could do nothing about it. So eventually this 237 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: witch doctor dug him up. At that point, Clarivius was 238 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: able to walk roughly, and he was led off to 239 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: a sugar plantation in the jungle, where he was constantly 240 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: fed drugs that kept him completely submissive in this kind 241 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: of groggy state. And for two years he was forced 242 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: to do manual labor in the fields and menial jobs 243 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: around the house. And then one day Clarvius found the 244 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: witch doctor lying there dead in the living room. And 245 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: at that point Clarvius wandered away from the plantation and 246 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: eventually made it back to his hometown, where he scared 247 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: the heck out of everybody, of course, including his brother. 248 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that they reconcile that situation. Well, anyway, 249 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: Wade Davis, he read all about this and so he 250 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: was just absolutely amazed. He flew to Haiti and he 251 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: interviewed Clarvieus in person. He examined the death certificate, and 252 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: Wade Davis was convinced that this story was true. And 253 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: as he continued his research, Wade finally met a witch 254 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: doctor who knew how to do this, how to turn 255 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: people into zombies. And of course the witch doctor did 256 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: not want to reveal the secrets, so Wade paid him 257 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: a lot of money and finally the witch doctor relented 258 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: and gave Wade some bags of the quote zombie powders 259 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: used to drug people and put them into this zombie state. 260 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: So Wade Davis took one of these powders to the 261 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: lab at Harvard, gave it to some rats, and shortly 262 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: thereafter the rats looked as if they had died. However, 263 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: some extremely sensitive you know EEG type brain wave machines 264 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: there showed that the rats still had brain activity and 265 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: that they were very much alive, but they just looked 266 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: at just like Clarvius had claimed he experienced. So Wade 267 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: analyzed the primary powder and he said that he found 268 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: it primarily contained a chemical derived from the pufferfish. You 269 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: know what a pufferfish is. It's the fish that blows 270 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: up and it's got the spines all over it. And 271 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: then another one of the powders, the one that kind 272 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: of keeps you in a slave state, the one that 273 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: you would be given, you know, after you are revived, 274 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: so to speak, and you're the one that keeps you 275 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: as zombie, is derived from a plant called Datura stramonium 276 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: or zombie cucumber. Turns out, you may have heard of 277 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: this plant. Called gemsen weed, and these powders, the one 278 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: from the puffer fish and the gemsum. These powders are deadly, 279 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: especially the puffer fish powder. So if indeed this is 280 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: what was being used, the witch doctor would need to 281 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: know just the right dose to administer to create the 282 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: zombie state without killing the victim. And you know that's 283 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: not an easy task. I mean, you're talking about having 284 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: to size up each person as an individual. Now, there 285 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: are those who criticize way Davis's work, but I think 286 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: he may have given us the best explanation for the 287 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: origin of these true zombie stories from Haiti. By the way, 288 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: in the legends of Voodoo, the serpent is the symbol 289 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: of Earth and the rainbow is the symbol of heaven, 290 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: and between the two all creatures must live and die. 291 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: But because he has a soul, they believe man can 292 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: be trapped in this terrible place kind of like a 293 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: like a limbo or whatever, a purgatory, And that's sort 294 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: of what the whole zombie idea is about. So again, 295 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: the serpent in the rainbow presents this case of this 296 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: man He's Clarivius is dead. Now who you know said 297 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: that this the zombification was the result of this complex 298 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: interaction between these these powders and these hallucinogens and such, 299 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: and that very much fits into what you know, the 300 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: Haitians claim was happening when they would encounter real zombies, 301 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: which is where this whole thing took off. Now let's 302 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: fast forward. Let's get back to Night of the Living Dead, 303 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: because all the way up until Night of the Living Dead, 304 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: zombies were pretty much described as behaving just like Clairviews did. 305 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: So Night of the Living Dead was made, like I said, 306 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, and at that time, George A. Romero, 307 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: I don't think he'd ever made a movie before. Actually 308 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: he was twenty eight years old. This movie was made 309 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: for one hundred and twenty thousand dollars and it grossed 310 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: over thirty million dollars. Can you believe that? Okay, time 311 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: for a break. When we come back, I'm going to 312 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: tell you more about what that movie did. And then 313 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: also I'm going to tell you about, yes, some well 314 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: the closest thing to zombies that I have ever personally witnessed. 315 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: And then finally I'm going to get around to what's 316 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: my conclusion about all this zombie stuff, and then I 317 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: have another cool update for you. I'm Joshua P. Warren. 318 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 319 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be 320 00:25:27,520 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: back after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things 321 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and cost to Coast AM Peronormal Podcast Network. 322 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And this is 323 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: the show where the unusual becomes usual. Night of the 324 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: Living Dead, released in nineteen sixty eight, is a movie 325 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: about a group of strangers trapped in a farmhouse who 326 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: find themselves fending off a horde of recently dead flesh 327 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: eating ghules. And it was it was an independent horror film, directed, photographed, 328 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: and edited by twenty eight year old George A. Romero, 329 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: and it was written by him and John Russo. And 330 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, it was one of those things like 331 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: they just barely scraped the money together, around one hundred 332 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars, which, by the way, even by 333 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: today's standards, that would still be less than one million 334 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: dollars by today's money here in twenty twenty three. So 335 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: one of those typical stories you hear like they barely 336 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: scraped all this money together. They got all these investors 337 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: and then knocked it out of the ballpark because that 338 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars turned into over thirty 339 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: million dollars for this little black and white movie. I mean, 340 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: can you believe that? That's just the amazing thing about movies. 341 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: When you make one, there is a chance, however small, 342 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: however small, that you can turn just a little, grainy, 343 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: low budget film into a gold mine. And so that 344 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: was one of the most profitable movies ever made. That 345 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: should tell you something right off the bat about this 346 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: odd connection that people feel to this concept of what 347 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: we now consider zombies. And you know what's funny is 348 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: that Romero said that when he was writing his part, 349 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: and this was pretty you know, I know we had 350 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: a co author, but this is pretty much his thing. 351 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: He said he drew heavy inspiration from Richard Matheson's novel 352 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: called I Am Legend that was published in nineteen fifty four. 353 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: That's a horror novel about a plague that ravages a 354 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: futuristic Los Angeles and the infected people and I Am 355 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Legend become these vampire like creatures and prey on the Uninfected, 356 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: and when discussing the creation of the movie Night of 357 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: the Living Dead, Romero once said, quote, I had written 358 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: a short story which I basically had ripped off from 359 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: Richard Matheson's novel called I Am Legend end quote, and 360 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: he went on to say, I thought I Am Legend 361 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: was about revolution. I said, if you're going to do 362 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: something about revolution, you should start at the beginning. I mean, 363 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: Richard starts his book with one man left. Everybody in 364 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: the world has become a vampire. I said, we got 365 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: to start at the beginning and tweak it up a 366 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: little bit. And I couldn't use vampires because he did. So. 367 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: I wanted something that would be an earth shaking change, 368 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: something that was forever, something that was really at the 369 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: heart of it. And I said, so what if the 370 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: dead stop staying dead and the stories are about how 371 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: people respond or fail to respond to this? That's really 372 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: all the zombies ever represented to me. And as a 373 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: matter of fact, interestingly enough, you know well, Richard Matheson's 374 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: novel I Am Legend appeared in some official film adaptations 375 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four, The Last Man on Earth in 376 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, as the Omega Man, and of course 377 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: the two thousand and seven release I Am Legend, and 378 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: Mathieson said he was not impressed by Romero's interpretation, said 379 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: he thought it was kind of cornball. But he also said, well, 380 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: George Romero is a nice guy, and I don't harbor 381 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: any animosity toward him, So I guess that's a good thing. 382 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: But you know, again, it goes back to what I 383 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: was telling you earlier. George A. Romero used the term 384 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: google in his original scripts, and then in later interviews 385 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: he used the term zombie, and then after that, well, 386 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: the word zombie is used exclusively by Romero in his 387 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: script for his sequel Dawn of the Dead in nineteen 388 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: seventy eight, according once in Dialogue, and so, according to Romero, 389 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: film critics were very influential in associating that term zombie 390 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: to his creatures, and he just eventually accepted that link, 391 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: even though he remained convinced that zombies actually corresponded to 392 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: the undead slaves of Haitian voodoo, as depicted in the 393 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: movie White Zombie with Bella Legosi. Isn't this kind of weird, 394 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: like how that connection was just made and they just 395 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: kind of went with it. Well, anyway, we'll never understand 396 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: precisely how that connection was made, I guess, but that 397 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: shows you the journey that the zombie has taken. Now, 398 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to my own personal experiences with so 399 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: called zombies, I will tell you that, of course, I 400 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: spent a good fifteen years exploring in Puerto Rico, and 401 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: I just outright lived there for five years, and Boquerrone 402 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: on the south western side of the island in Caborrojo, 403 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: and one of the I guess you know, one of 404 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: the more significant towns that was close to me was 405 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: called Myos. And when I was living in Puerto Rico, 406 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: there was this terrible drug fad, if you will, that 407 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: was going around. For some reason, a lot of these 408 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: downtrodden Puerto Ricans were getting a hold of horse tranquilizers. 409 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: And I can't remember what all the official names are 410 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: for this stuff, but there are quite a few horses 411 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. I mean, you got to be careful 412 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: when you're driving around at night because sometimes you'll come 413 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: around a tight curve and there'll just be like five 414 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: or six guys on black horses there, and you know, 415 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: no lights or reflective vests and so horse tranquilizers were 416 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: pretty prevalent, and during that period of time, people started 417 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: taking horse tranquilizers just you know, as the latest drug 418 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: to get off on. And but I mean, I'm telling you, like, 419 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: this is not something that like the kids would do 420 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: for fun. This was the people who you know, were 421 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: living in and alleyways. I mean, it's like the lowest, 422 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: most terrible level of It's basically a form of slow suicide. 423 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: When you start taking things like that, it's like people 424 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: who got hooked on I guess heroin and meth and finnel. 425 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, the weird thing about these horse tranquilizers is 426 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: that sometimes you would encounter one of these people and 427 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: it was so eerie because when they would take it 428 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: at a certain times, they would reach a point where 429 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: they would absolutely freeze in place and looked exactly like 430 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: a statue. So and I mean they are standing up 431 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: on two feet. I mean you would see people that 432 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: look like they were walking and in mid stride, boom, 433 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: somebody hit the pause button and I don't even know how. 434 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 1: They would stay that way sometimes apparently for at least 435 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: an hour, and their eyes are open. But it's like 436 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: their soul is gone. It kind of reminds me of 437 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: those figures from Pompeii. But I had a friend who 438 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: was a skateboarder and his name was Rafael, and one 439 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: day he goes, man, look at this video. Was he 440 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: was skating downtown and there were one of these people 441 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: frozen in position like that, literally like right handback, left 442 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: hand forward, one foot forward, eyes open, just standing there 443 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: frozen on these horse tranquilizers. And as he was skating 444 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: on his skateboard, he took out his cell phone and 445 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: he filmed the person and then he kind of skated 446 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: around the person a little bit, and it kind of 447 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: had that matrix effect where it looks like the person is, 448 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: you know again, like frozen in time. And then you 449 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: see all these angles and people. People in Puerto Rico 450 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: said they these are the zombies. These are the horse 451 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: tranquilizer zombies. And there have been documentaries made about it. 452 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: I know the National Geographic Channel did a whole thing 453 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: about that phenomenon, so that was talking about disturbing and weird. 454 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: I still don't understand exactly how that happened. Maybe I 455 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: didn't even go back and look it up again for 456 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: this podcast but I guess I need to. I like 457 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: to go back and say, like, what's the latest on that? 458 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: And while on Earth did it have that effect on people? 459 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: Another interesting connection that I have to so I guess 460 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: the world of zombies is that, of course, you know, 461 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: I own, I created, and I own the Haunted Boulder 462 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: City Ghost and UFO tour here in it's outside of 463 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada, about thirty minutes from Las Vegas, a 464 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: Boulder City, and we have everybody meet us at a 465 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: place called beer Zombies, which is a really cool joint 466 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: where the guy who created it as an artist and 467 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: he now he's a brewer and an artist, and so 468 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: he just brands everything with zombie imagery and he's got 469 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: a very successful franchise here. I don't know if you 470 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: call it franchise. He got a chain, I guess I 471 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: should say, of these places called beer Zombies around Las Vegas. 472 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: And so if you ever take the Haunted Boulder City Tour, 473 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: you'll be meeting up at Beer Zombies. That's Haunted Bouldercity 474 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: dot com. That'd be a great thing to do this fall, 475 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: of course, But when we come back, I also want 476 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: to tell you about an odd and unexpected run in 477 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: I had with well, I don't want to say I 478 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: had a run in. I saw Woody Harrelson one time 479 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: and it was connected to the Zombie Land movie. And 480 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: then I'm just going to give you my final thoughts 481 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: on this whole zombie business. And then I have a 482 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: very interesting update for you. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're 483 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 484 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. 485 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of 486 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 487 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P One. 488 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: And now it's not much of a story really, it's 489 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: just something weird I thought about when the movie zombie 490 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: Land came out starring Woody Harrelson. I just so happened 491 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: to be in Chicago and when they were having the premiere, 492 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: the Zombie Land premiere. When was that like two thousand 493 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: and nine, Yeah, two thousand and nine, And so I 494 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: was not at the premiere, but I was actually there 495 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: working on a television show and I ended up passing 496 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: through the area where they were having the premiere, and 497 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: so you know, I just got a glimpse of whatdy 498 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: Harrelson at the Zombie Land premiere. I love that story. Okay, 499 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: so final thoughts, what are we gleaning from all this? 500 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: Now that I've given you some context for the whole 501 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: zombie phenomenon, let me go back first off to this 502 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: book Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Zombies by 503 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: Matt Mock. He has a section here called Final Thoughts, 504 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: and here is one of the things that he writes. 505 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: The modern zombie evolved from vampires, not from the soulless 506 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: voodoo slaves that share their name. But unlike vampires, the 507 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: walking dead don't carry with them the baggage of old 508 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: world superstitions and myths. They aren't supernatural, superhuman, super strong, 509 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: or particularly super anything. Just the opposite. Zombies are grossly 510 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: natural in their rotting flesh, imperfect brains, and limited physical abilities. 511 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: They don't pretend to be anything more or less than 512 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: what they are. But what they are is the end 513 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: of the world. Well, maybe that's why I don't like 514 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: the zombie thing so much, because I don't like thinking 515 00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: about the end of the world. Maybe I just don't 516 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: believe in the end of the world because I know 517 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: that I'm not going to be here forever. None of 518 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: us are. We're all going to die. But I think 519 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: the world is going to continue to exist with people 520 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: in it because the world was put here to serve 521 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: a purpose. It's a big classroom, and no matter how 522 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: good or how bad things get, my feeling is that 523 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: the end of the world scenario is just not that 524 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: interesting to me. And that's why I'm not a big 525 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: doom and gloomer. I have a real I mean, I'm prepped. 526 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm prepared for anything that happens. But all right, that said, 527 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: let's get into my ultimate conclusion from everything that I've 528 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: given you and everything we've been thinking about, let's get 529 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: back to the big traditional ideas of a zombie. So 530 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: silly or scary, Well, the original concept of the zo 531 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: zombie is truly terrifying because it is apparently real, especially 532 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: if we're to believe the story from the Serpent in 533 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: the Rainbow. I mean, we're talking about the idea that 534 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: you could be absolutely helpless to being secretly drugged by someone, 535 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: and that drug paralyzes you to the point that others 536 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: believe you are dead. And then you are buried alive, 537 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: even though you're still conscious. Now, if I stopped right there, 538 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: it would be one of the most horrible things you 539 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 1: could imagine happening to you. But then it goes even 540 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: further into you suffering underground in your coffin until someone 541 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: digs you up and then enslaves you the rest of 542 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: your life and you are physically incapable of doing anything 543 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: about it. It is truly a fate worse than death, 544 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: so obviously to call that scary is an understatement. However, 545 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: the newer version of the zombie as a soulless home 546 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: invading brain eater, you know, almost like a human shark. 547 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: It would be scary if it were real, but since 548 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: it is not, then I can't help it. I just 549 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: do consider it silly. Now, that does not mean that 550 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be scared to death if someone in a 551 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: zombie outfit came crashing through my window. Of course, it 552 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: would scare the Jesus out of me. But that is 553 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: why I arm myself. And I'm pretty sure that no 554 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: matter how scary a zombie outfit may look, and it's 555 00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: probably not bulletproof. So are zombies silly or Scar. Well, 556 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: my answer is both depending on the type of zombie 557 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: we are talking about. And I guess that's the best 558 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: I can do for you on zombies. And I hope 559 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: that you found that interesting and thought provoking at very 560 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: least now I've done a zombie podcast. Moving on, here 561 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: is the other thing I wanted to tell you about 562 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: that I think is pretty interesting. So you know, I 563 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the podcast, and I mentioned this at 564 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: least you know once on every show, that if you 565 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: subscribe to my free E newsletter you get to participate 566 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: in special experiments. Well, recently I sent out an E 567 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: newsletter and I said, hey, I'm going to do a 568 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: version of a Roulette wheel experiment here in Las Vegas 569 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: that I've never done before. And the idea is that 570 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: you you get to participate for free. You just have 571 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: to go to this link, which I sent through my 572 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: E newsletter, and you have to tell me what space 573 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 1: you think is going to hit the next time I 574 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: go to a roulette Will. Because a typical American roulette 575 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: will has thirty eight spaces, and thirty six of them 576 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: are either red or black, and they're also numbered one, two, three, four, five, six, 577 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: seven up to the number thirty six, and then there 578 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: are two green spaces, and one of those spaces has 579 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: got a zero and the other has a double zero. 580 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: So whatever happens on a wheel like that, you're going 581 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: to hit one of those thirty eight spaces. And so 582 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: if you bet on one of those spaces and it hits, 583 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: then you get paid thirty five times whatever you bet 584 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: on that. So, for example, if I put a dollar 585 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: on one of those spaces and it hit that space, 586 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: and then you know they spend the wheel and you 587 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: know the ball lands on that space, well then they 588 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: give you thirty five dollars. If you put one hundred 589 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: dollars on one of those spaces and they spend the 590 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: wheel and the ball hits that space, well now you 591 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: get three hundred and uh what did I? What did 592 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: I just say? If you put if you put one 593 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: hundred dollars, you get thirty five hundred dollars. I've done 594 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: that before numerous times. So you put one hundred down, 595 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: you get thirty five hundred dollars. But I want to 596 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: go to that wheel and I want to put down 597 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars on one of those spaces and they 598 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 1: spend the wheel and if the ball hits the space 599 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: that I put the one thousand dollars down on, then 600 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: they would give me thirty five thousand dollars just like that. 601 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: And so what I thought would be cool would be 602 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 1: to do an experiment where I involve my audience and 603 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: I say, if you pick the number that I put 604 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: the thousand dollars on and it hits, I'll split it 605 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: with you. So you'll get seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars 606 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,280 Speaker 1: and I'll get seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars. But before 607 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: I I've got confidence in you, you have to prove 608 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: that you can do this. So we have round one 609 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: where everybody gets to go and pick what space it's 610 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: going to be. Is it going to be numbers one 611 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: through thirty six or zero or double zero? And then 612 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: from there you do it a second time and that's 613 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: round two, and the people who get it right the 614 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: second time get to move on to round three. And 615 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: by round three, I mean I'm thinking only one person 616 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: will get it, and that is the person who is 617 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: going to split the thirty five grand with me. When 618 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,280 Speaker 1: I go at stage four and put the thought thousand 619 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: bucks down, So I put this out there, and I 620 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,399 Speaker 1: mean hundreds of people from all over the world participated, 621 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: and well, the weirdest thing is that fifteen percent of 622 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: the people picked the number seventeen. That's a huge margin. 623 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? I don't know for sure. 624 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: I have a theory as to why that may be. 625 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: But why do you think that is? I don't want 626 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: to tell you what my theory is right now, but 627 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: why do you think fifteen percent of the people picked 628 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: the number seventeen? Well, anyway, I did it, and the 629 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: winning number was twenty nine. Eight people guests twenty nine, 630 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: and those eight people are now moving on through the 631 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: rounds and pretty soon, hopefully one of us, well one 632 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: of you, one of those people will have seventeen thousand, 633 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: five hundred. 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