Speaker 1: This is Brack.
Speaker 2: We've spoken to him before. I don't like the term
Speaker 2: life coach, but that's what he is. But it's sort
Speaker 2: of like a term that gets shade because it seems
Speaker 2: like sort of faux spiritual, touchy feely, weird, seminar ish.
Speaker 1: But Brack is actually a life coach. He's the real deal.
Speaker 3: I'm almost trained myself to kind of listen to what
Speaker 3: people aren't saying, right, but you know that that's what's
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, so that I can so that I
Speaker 3: can direct people in a really clear way of kind
Speaker 3: of are they doing the right thing with the right
Speaker 3: person in the right situation.
Speaker 2: Because they're presenting to you off of what they want
Speaker 2: you to hear, but you're seeing what is I'm listening to.
Speaker 3: I'm listening to what they're not saying. A lot of
Speaker 3: times that makes sense. Yeah, So I think that's probably
Speaker 3: a good, probably a good you know, entree to the conversation.
Speaker 2: So a lot of these young girls that are you
Speaker 2: know on my page, they're going through breakups, they're dating,
Speaker 2: they're hooking up, they're navigating all of it. And from
Speaker 2: the book the Rules to even the dating coach saying
Speaker 2: it's you're the CEO, to the matchmakers, lean into your
Speaker 2: feminine energy to all of this.
Speaker 1: To Christian Gray, all.
Speaker 2: Like you can easily say don't play games, and you
Speaker 2: can easily say you should play games. Like where do
Speaker 2: you stand on some version of a gamification or strategy
Speaker 2: but not like what it should be, what it really
Speaker 2: is the fact that we're all you know, people want
Speaker 2: things they can't have, People want to have sex with
Speaker 2: the person they can't have. There can't not be a
Speaker 2: game in a strategy, but there can't only be a
Speaker 2: game in a strategy. So what is the answer to
Speaker 2: all of that? Are things just going to end up
Speaker 2: the way they're supposed to do? Or could you literally
Speaker 2: not end up with your life partner because you didn't
Speaker 2: play enough of a game and he ended up with
Speaker 2: someone else or she ended up with someone else.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love this conversation just because.
Speaker 2: You are a big player. You are a big player,
Speaker 2: so you've seen both sides of it. You've seen commitment,
Speaker 2: meaningful commitment and meaningful fucking.
Speaker 3: Around, absolutely right, So I love the conversation just because
Speaker 3: people keep trying to create logic where logic doesn't exist
Speaker 3: or consistency. A lot of times rather than deal with
Speaker 3: the contradictions that life really is. And so someone can
Speaker 3: say to you, you're too tolerant of the situation, and
Speaker 3: then the next sentence they can say you're not tolerant enough,
Speaker 3: and both both statements are true on some level, depending
Speaker 3: on the situation. So the same thing is true with like, oh,
Speaker 3: you have to have some sort of strategies that work out,
Speaker 3: and at the same time, it's got to be spontaneous, right,
Speaker 3: you know, so all of those contradictions to your saying
Speaker 3: someone's playing has to play games or they have to
Speaker 3: do something, you know, in order to kind of get
Speaker 3: their ball across the goal line, and at the same
Speaker 3: time like no games. Both of those statements at some
Speaker 3: point are absolutely valid, right, And depending on what's appropriate
Speaker 3: to the situation, the statement is valid. So it's not
Speaker 3: just unilateral like this is the only way to think,
Speaker 3: or this is the only way to be. It's like
Speaker 3: I think when you're really creative and healthy, you're you're
Speaker 3: using all kinds of skills and tools and different things,
Speaker 3: and they could look contradictory, and yet there they're also
Speaker 3: serving the situation in a powerful way. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: I think that all of those things like I do
Speaker 3: I lean in, do I back off? Do I do
Speaker 3: I collaborate? Do I diffuse? Do I initiate? Do I lead?
Speaker 3: All of those are elements that you need to have,
Speaker 3: tools that you need to have to be effective in
Speaker 3: whatever the situation requires, as opposed.
Speaker 2: To right like anything like anything else, you can't It
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like the most bizarre analogy ever, like they make.
Speaker 2: They have divorce agreements and custody agreements that people really
Speaker 2: lean into the letter of the law, but then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's some weird loophole about what holiday
Speaker 2: falls on what day, and then you realize you're gonna
Speaker 2: have eleven days in a row with your kid and
Speaker 2: it might not be fair to the other parent. It
Speaker 2: wasn't written into the agreement. The spirit of the agreement
Speaker 2: is to be there for the kid, but you have
Speaker 2: to use some adult logic back and forth and how
Speaker 2: to be flexible with it. And if someone can't, they're
Speaker 2: going to suffer and it's going to fail. So you're
Speaker 2: saying like you could take one thing from a book
Speaker 2: of the rules and one thing from you and a
Speaker 2: life coach and a dating coach. But then in the
Speaker 2: moment you have sex with some of the first ten
Speaker 2: minutes because you've never been more attracted and you could
Speaker 2: still end up married to them.
Speaker 1: Might not be the ideal thing to do, but life happens.
Speaker 3: And all those rules like Okay, I'm gonna have sex,
Speaker 3: it's I'm gonna wait three months before I have sex, right,
Speaker 3: you know, And I'm not saying anything about mine, but
Speaker 3: mostly you know, I mean, you know, I I remember
Speaker 3: and Mike feel probably hate this story, but I remember
Speaker 3: picking up our first date with Jen and I'm picking
Speaker 3: her up and and I said, where's your overnight bag?
Speaker 3: And She's like, what the hell? I said, I said,
Speaker 3: where's your overnight bag? She says, are you crazy? I said,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna. I'm just telling you, you're gonna want
Speaker 3: an overnight bag. You're not using my toothpaste, my tooth
Speaker 3: bust and my toothpape. Yeah yeah, So and so her
Speaker 3: roommate was really funny. She goes, maybe you're gonna maybe
Speaker 3: you should take your overnight bag, right, And so we did.
Speaker 3: We had sex the first night. I'm sure mother would
Speaker 3: hate this story and genlemen, but but the point is
Speaker 3: is that we've been together thirty four years. So it's
Speaker 3: got a function of you know, when and what and
Speaker 3: when people find strategize that you know, someone can have sex,
Speaker 3: you know they're gonna wait three months and then the
Speaker 3: next day the person leaves. So it's never about you know, timing,
Speaker 3: and it's about communication. It's about relationship. It's about the
Speaker 3: sensibilities match. You know that you kind of want the
Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, I don't necessarily think, you know,
Speaker 3: marriage is supposed to go the distance, and some people,
Speaker 3: you know, they do go that, they do go the distance.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's why every seven years, you know,
Speaker 3: you kind of review to see how we're still in
Speaker 3: the same page. Do we still want the same things? No,
Speaker 3: we still have the same philosophical sensibilities.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then some people get to a certain age and
Speaker 2: they're pot committed. I mean, I hear that a lot
Speaker 2: with a lot of friends, like they're in this They've
Speaker 2: got this partner. It's not perfect, but some other schmuck's
Speaker 2: going to have some other problems and they're pot committed,
Speaker 2: you know. And I find that a lot of men
Speaker 2: that I meet, there's a thing going on with men
Speaker 2: that I'm meeting in their fifties that I've.
Speaker 1: Seen across the board.
Speaker 2: First of all, I've said before and here, I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of fifty men in their fifties who have
Speaker 2: full custody of their kids because there was some sort
Speaker 2: of agreement in their household. It seems like the woman
Speaker 2: wanted the life, wanted the money, the man worked hard.
Speaker 2: These dynamics were set, and then the woman is bored
Speaker 2: because it's sounded good on paper, and they're out partying
Speaker 2: and they're wanting purpose, they don't have it. They're drinking,
Speaker 2: they used to be hot, and they spin out. They
Speaker 2: get really they get addicted to something and they end
Speaker 2: up sucking their lives up and losing custody because they're
Speaker 2: trying to find their own things. So that's one dynamic.
Speaker 2: It's not that extreme because I met three men who
Speaker 2: had full custody their kid and I was shocked.
Speaker 1: Okay, because that's just.
Speaker 2: Another thing that happens is men saying, like, I'm a
Speaker 2: very involved dad, Like they want the extra cookie, they're
Speaker 2: over compensating, they have to be super dad, and like
Speaker 2: they can't breathe in, they can't balance. They don't have
Speaker 2: the work life balance that people always ask women about
Speaker 2: because they like can even be with their kids and
Speaker 2: do nothing else, or their kids aren't with them, and
Speaker 2: then they can do everything and party, and like they
Speaker 2: can't mix the two. They have this weird thing that
Speaker 2: no one talks about. And the third dynamic that I've
Speaker 2: noticed is that men at a certain age, no matter
Speaker 2: how much money they have, no matter whether they've made,
Speaker 2: matter whether they've gotten it on their own or they
Speaker 2: found it or they sold companies or whatever, no matter
Speaker 2: how much money they have, when faced with a successful
Speaker 2: woman or not, they have this like later mid life
Speaker 2: crisis where they just they're still healthy, they're still young
Speaker 2: enough in their mind, and they have something to prove.
Speaker 2: They have to do it again, or they have to
Speaker 2: make it big, or they're the emperor. They had no clothes,
Speaker 2: like all these things I'm seeing in men that are
Speaker 2: not something that I would have seen dating forty year
Speaker 2: old when I was thirty two. It's like something happening
Speaker 2: in like like fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first of all, were we're living a
Speaker 3: lot longer. You know, you're hearing so much. Okay, he's
Speaker 3: just lived to one hundred. He'd lived to one hundred
Speaker 3: and fall, right, So so adolescence has gotten completely extended.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's why I'm saying it's a mid life
Speaker 1: crisis later and.
Speaker 3: It's like, you're now fifty, you know, fifty is you
Speaker 3: know you're still a kid? Yes? I mean I had, but.
Speaker 2: You didn't think that when you were young. You wanted
Speaker 2: to be at X place. When you're a fifties you
Speaker 2: thought you'd be soon retiring. And then you're there, You're
Speaker 2: like no, oh yeah, like yeah that's why.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I got another I got another fifty years
Speaker 3: right to do this? So what am I going to
Speaker 3: do with all this time?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So it's it's changed dramatically. I had one of my
Speaker 3: clients he went out with young they went out with
Speaker 3: like I think there's like three couples and and two
Speaker 3: of the couples were much younger. And he's very successful
Speaker 3: and he's older and has you know, has a good
Speaker 3: deal of money. And he and they split the l
Speaker 3: split the bill. Right when I went to dinner and
Speaker 3: I said, are you out of your mind? And he said,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? I said, first of all,
Speaker 3: you need to be generous more. You've got more, you've
Speaker 3: got more resources, got more access, you know, you should
Speaker 3: pick that up. They're much younger than you are, right,
Speaker 3: And he said, well, I just thought we were all
Speaker 3: out together. You're not the same age. You are not
Speaker 3: the same age, and you think you are, but you're not.
Speaker 3: And then you finally realize, oh, he's trying to be younger,
Speaker 3: he's trying to do something in a certain way. So
Speaker 3: there's all these different elements that are taking place, right,
Speaker 3: and you know all that, As I said, the traumas
Speaker 3: come into play. So if your father didn't take care
Speaker 3: of you in the same way he wasn't there, you're
Speaker 3: going to maybe be overcompensate and be there, you know,
Speaker 3: for your child in a way that's you know, way
Speaker 3: over compensated, right. And and so those traumas come into
Speaker 3: play all the time in terms of what you didn't get,
Speaker 3: you know, what you wish you had, and then what
Speaker 3: you're going to try and correct and and part of
Speaker 3: that is evolutionary, right, and all of us. Part of
Speaker 3: that is reactive and and determining which is you know,
Speaker 3: which is which, and which is what you know, uh
Speaker 3: and and and what what's appropriate to the situation. And
Speaker 3: I think is really you know the game and and
Speaker 3: you know what men are. Men are in a really
Speaker 3: interesting including myself, right, even though much older than fifty. Right,
Speaker 3: we're in a very different place and what's required of
Speaker 3: us is a very different situation, right and and and
Speaker 3: between the Me Too movement where women have got much
Speaker 3: stronger voice and there's there know you you know, there's
Speaker 3: not you can't excuse, you can't fuck with gas lighting,
Speaker 3: you know women in the same way. So men are men,
Speaker 3: and their power and where they are and with a
Speaker 3: stand and their voice and who they are is in
Speaker 3: flux at this point, right and and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's an interesting time. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at because I have younger kids. I have a twenty
Speaker 3: year old son and an eighteen year old daughter. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at their relationships and how they are. They're much
Speaker 3: more fluid. They have a much more interesting, uh dynamic
Speaker 3: between their friends.
Speaker 1: In terms of everything is or isn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not so it's not so compartmentalized, right and defined,
Speaker 3: yeah and defined and uh and so I always see
Speaker 3: that that's true, that that the generation before, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of pioneer something and then someone else, the other
Speaker 3: generation gets a benefit of what has been pioneered, right,
Speaker 3: and uh, if I look at our this generation of
Speaker 3: people that's on the planet, everything's in question, like how
Speaker 3: you parent, you know, you know, satisfaction a career, what
Speaker 3: you do you know, being a relationship. There's more and
Speaker 3: more and more scrutiny about everything that we do. Now
Speaker 3: we're unpacking all that stuff that was when it was
Speaker 3: happening in the fifties and the forties, it was just
Speaker 3: like this is the way it is. Now everything's in question,
Speaker 3: and so it makes it makes it, It makes it
Speaker 3: for a very uncertain time. So you have to have
Speaker 3: have to have much more facility in uncertain times, like
Speaker 3: how can I be creative and inventive, you know with
Speaker 3: all the things that are moving on, you know between
Speaker 3: the you know climate, you know the global you know
Speaker 3: global crisis, climate crisis, and you know all the different
Speaker 3: fluctuations and that includes you know what you know, where
Speaker 3: do we where do we land as a gender? You know,
Speaker 3: given I'm no longer that you know or or what
Speaker 3: my father was. So but I like the I like
Speaker 3: these kinds of situations. I like the breakdowns. I like
Speaker 3: the disruption.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do you these are all these things
Speaker 2: as people say it's supposed to be hard.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be that hard.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be pa you know, difficult, but it's
Speaker 2: not supposed to be painful. Like our relationships work in
Speaker 2: your estimation.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a that's a definitive. Yes, they requite. Now
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that you have to have psychologue and
Speaker 3: people don't know the difference between you to talk.
Speaker 2: About that because you're not supposed to be suffering. It's
Speaker 2: why I say, it's like you're stretching and yoga, but
Speaker 2: you're not in pain, so let's break like, so let's
Speaker 2: talk about that.
Speaker 3: So discomfort like to you know, when my core confusions,
Speaker 3: discomfort and suffering are core confusion. You don't want to
Speaker 3: suffer because suffering is the resistance to any kind of
Speaker 3: real communication and what's going on. It's like, really, as
Speaker 3: a commentary on, I don't like that and I don't
Speaker 3: want that. So suffering is something discomfort is actually something
Speaker 3: that you're integrating. You know, you're creating with, you know,
Speaker 3: you're you're generating. It's it's it's got, it's got. You know,
Speaker 3: suffering is more of a passive you're kind of like
Speaker 3: passively you get more passive a lot of times when
Speaker 3: you're suffering. You know, when you're uncomfortable, you'll be more generative.
Speaker 3: So so I think that that understanding that you know
Speaker 3: that that's there's no redeeming value in suffering at all.
Speaker 2: Well, how does someone know if they're suffering or they're
Speaker 2: just they're just uncomfortable? What is suffering? They're not sleeping,
Speaker 2: they're depressed, Like, what's suffering?
Speaker 1: What's I mean?
Speaker 3: I think that if you're kind of internal complaint all
Speaker 3: the time about the way things.
Speaker 1: Are and what chronic or cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good, right, you know, and you're you're constantly
Speaker 3: you know, resisting something. You're mostly saying no to to
Speaker 3: to life in lots of different ways. Right, So it's
Speaker 3: like it's.
Speaker 2: Not vibing with who you fundamentally are. You don't feel
Speaker 2: it's not sitting right, you're not digesting it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I think that. But if you're at
Speaker 3: me is a relationship designed to suffer? No, that's not
Speaker 3: the context of it. Right. There's gonna be discomfort, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be challenges, there's gonna think, there's gonna be things,
Speaker 3: as you said, that you can't foresee or forecasts that
Speaker 3: come up that you have to collaborate on and figure
Speaker 3: out and work out. But there always has to be
Speaker 3: better times than worse times. That's kind of the deal,
Speaker 3: meaning got it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. That's good for people to know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there always have to be better times than worse times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean and so and but if what's been
Speaker 3: familiar to you in your family of origin is to
Speaker 3: suffer and to have difficult times, a lot of times
Speaker 3: you replicate those by.
Speaker 1: The way totally.
Speaker 2: I think about like the enthusiasmin character on Curby Enthusiasm.
Speaker 2: It's like your fucking fat fuck Like I know friends
Speaker 2: that the way they speak to each other, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're disgusting, I'm not sleeping next, Like they talk to
Speaker 2: each other like that, and it's sort of just like.
Speaker 1: Their own language.
Speaker 2: That one comment to me that was anything they say
Speaker 2: by nine o'clock on a Tuesday morning, I'd be out.
Speaker 2: So it's just like a different construct, different dynamic going
Speaker 2: on there. Yeah, and it might be that everybody's like
Speaker 2: just the baseline is different. They don't even it doesn't
Speaker 2: even mean the same thing as it means. They could
Speaker 2: take fifty pills and not feel anything like it's just different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so I do. But do to your question,
Speaker 3: do I think it's there's work? Yes, But but you
Speaker 3: have to know, as I said before, what's evolving, what's
Speaker 3: gaining traction, what's spinning your wheels? And a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't have I have tools or critical thinking in
Speaker 3: terms of what's a conversation that really evolves, goes somewhere,
Speaker 3: builds something, And what's one of those that look like
Speaker 3: an acid trip you at eight hours and it just
Speaker 3: looks like, you know, you're just going over the same territory.
Speaker 2: You're not getting anywhere. Yeah, and that's a great one.
Speaker 2: That's a definition of sanity.
Speaker 3: And people really need to know the difference between an
Speaker 3: effective conversation and a conversation that really grows and develops
Speaker 3: and ones that's just the psychological isn't a psychological loop?
Speaker 2: And that is so speaking to everyone what you're saying,
Speaker 2: like you're saying, you and I have a conflict.
Speaker 1: We have something.
Speaker 2: It could be recurring, it could be new, and you
Speaker 2: just want to get it off your plate, like you
Speaker 2: just we were talking about it, but you're just like
Speaker 2: talking about it because I want to talk about it
Speaker 2: it's bothering me. You want to get it off your plate,
Speaker 2: and it's not. That's not back to the thing about evolving.
Speaker 2: Evolving is like, let's you're feeling something. I'm feeling something.
Speaker 2: Let's go through this storm and figure out why and
Speaker 2: like get to the other side.
Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And the hardest thing that the hardest thing is for
Speaker 3: people to recognize when they're threatened, when they're in a
Speaker 3: reactive situation in an intimate relationship, shame in business, it's
Speaker 3: very hard, especially the subtle ones, especially in the shallow
Speaker 3: end of the pool. It's very difficult for people to
Speaker 3: recognize that they're threatened. And now they think they're having
Speaker 3: an intelligent conversation when they're having a conversation from fear
Speaker 3: or shame.
Speaker 1: Give me an example of that.
Speaker 3: Well, i'll give you an example. It just happened. So
Speaker 3: it's just happened with me. So as I had to
Speaker 3: get a colin Osky like a few days ago, right,
Speaker 3: four days ago, right, and so I was really I
Speaker 3: was really nervous about it. And I'm and I've had
Speaker 3: like five you know, he's kind of you know, so,
Speaker 3: and I was nervous, you know, and I'm not normally
Speaker 3: nervous about these things. So I was really nervous about it.
Speaker 3: And so I was coming after Jen a little bit.
Speaker 3: I was coming after my wife, you know, with logic,
Speaker 3: and it seemed like logic cause I was thinking, but
Speaker 3: under the lying was this, you know this fear right okay,
Speaker 3: and and my and and so.
Speaker 2: About that about something completely different. You just honor asked
Speaker 2: about something different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, asked about something. It was like, you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't big, but she said, what's really going on is
Speaker 3: what's really going on with you? Because this is not
Speaker 3: what's going on with you? What is it? And then
Speaker 3: I just broke down and I said, you know, Richard,
Speaker 3: my very good friend, he died of stomach cancer like
Speaker 3: three months ago, and we had a we had we
Speaker 3: had a FaceTime the day before he died, and so
Speaker 3: and so I just had this super sphere like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get this calling me and something's gonna something's
Speaker 3: gonna go right, And then I got to communicate what
Speaker 3: was really there. It's a real conversation, right, and break down,
Speaker 3: and then she could take care of me, because you
Speaker 3: can't take care of someone when you're under attack. So
Speaker 3: you know, and that's a lot of times there's no
Speaker 3: way that I can take care of you if I'm
Speaker 3: if you're if I'm the one that's being attacked, right,
Speaker 3: so she could then reach out and take care of
Speaker 3: me and get me, you know, and I's fine. I
Speaker 3: was kind of totally liberated. So those are So that's
Speaker 3: an example of a real, real conversation that's really going
Speaker 3: on as opposed to something else that looks logical or
Speaker 3: looks like something else. And people don't realize when they're threatened.
Speaker 3: They don't realize that a react to state. And that's
Speaker 3: so essential because people keep having conversations and then people
Speaker 3: you know, I always think that you know that that
Speaker 3: that women listen literally in a lot of ways and
Speaker 3: men speak in abstract and you think it would just
Speaker 3: be the opposite. So, you know, so if I'm having
Speaker 3: a conversation with Jen about something, she's going to listen
Speaker 3: literally like that, Oh, that's totally that's that's really what
Speaker 3: he's talking about, yes, right, when in fact I'm talking
Speaker 3: about something else. And that's including like dating and sex
Speaker 3: and a hundred other things. But that's a whole that's
Speaker 3: a bunch bigger.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting.
Speaker 2: That's very that's so true that you would think it
Speaker 2: would be the opposite. Yes, or well, one thing has
Speaker 2: been proven clear. Yet again, critical thinking is definitely at
Speaker 2: the top of your resume.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: This is amazing, really good, Breck Like, I love this. Wow, Okay, yeah, Brack,
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's good.
Speaker 2: And the fact is that, like, I just want to
Speaker 2: say something about Breck like and my guests come on
Speaker 2: this rollercoaster because I literally there's no foreplay, there's no lube,
Speaker 2: and never is there something.
Speaker 1: I never looked down at.
Speaker 2: A piece of paper that the producers have thought maybe
Speaker 2: we'd want to talk about, or whatever the guest thought.
Speaker 2: We just get into a conversation and it goes for
Speaker 2: this long, It could go for five hours about just
Speaker 2: all the stuff that I hear from you guys, from
Speaker 2: your comments, from anything.
Speaker 1: It's just wild.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Breck, thank you for playing along because it
Speaker 2: just goes.
Speaker 1: Do you like it?
Speaker 3: I really love it. It's really fun. I mean, I
Speaker 3: mean so crazy, because you know, it's a It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, for us, we can never complain about the cold.
Speaker 3: So for some reason, my office a cold, so I'm
Speaker 3: just freezing but other than that, I've loved you. It's
Speaker 3: a fantastic conversation, right, It's.
Speaker 2: Just it's also it's very creative because there's no planning. Ye,
Speaker 2: So all right, Well, love you, Breck, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: That was awesome.