WEBVTT - Eddie Jackson 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to It with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.039 Steve Smith Senior and I and this is cut to it. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.919 Good do it, Good do good. They's getting down to 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.720 do it. Good do it. We asked the questions you 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.200 always want to know, but no one ever asked, let's 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:30.000 cut to it. You heard them about it, then we're 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:40.519 about to let you know. It's all a backstage. Hey, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.400 if anybody listens to this podcast, all of our listeners 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.680 and you know, we all know about our quotes, and 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.880 you know, Steve's always got a book, and we're always 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.519 hearing things, and you know, very many of them are 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.800 very profound and our guests and joyous. I said many. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.880 I gave you the upside. I just think you just 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.959 get through. We just we just get to say how 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.040 we're feeling. And that's what what we love about this 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.679 show is we get to hear things and see things, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.839 and we're share them with guests and sometime with each other. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.039 But um, you know, I was listening to some guys 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.920 talk on on on a certain certain station, and um, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.080 one of the gentlemen that was talking said something to 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.399 me that resonated with me, and I thought that I 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.479 would ask you guys, even one of you've heard this before, 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.520 ask you, guys, when I say this, where does it 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.600 take your mind? At? What's it makes you think? Because 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:35.200 in my opinion, it can relate to business, parenting, um, relationships, sports, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.520 And it's really really simple quote and I'm gonna say 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.360 it to you and when y'all jump in first. We 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:49.120 can be demanding without being demeaning. What what? I saw 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.320 your eyes go up to you when I said that? What? What? 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.400 What hits you when you hear those words demanding without 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.880 being demeaning? I mean, just just just initially walking through it. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.840 It Basically you can still respect the person on the 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.600 other end while still getting the results you possibly want. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.200 So I think that, you know, a lot of times 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.680 there's always a a zero some type of mentality, especially now. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.600 Another reason why I've why I've taken a break from 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.639 social media, UM, because there's always a this or that, 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:23.959 there's a one side this side of your this, or 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.000 you're that you know whatever, red blue liver is always that. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.200 So we're in this world where it's it's one of 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.280 the other. So sometimes we think that you can be 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.320 um demanding and demeaning, you can be both and still 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.400 get the result that you want. So it's one of 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.240 those things. I just hear that and saying, yeah, you 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.160 can two things can co exist at the same time. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.600 You know, that's a great answer. I'm sitting here like 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.480 to challenge you with saying, and we're all, we're all 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.160 we've all played some level of sports, some of us 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.760 longer than others, and a professional league than others. But 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.679 you know, we've all done some kind of sports here. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.040 But when you think back, um, two coaches we've had, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.480 or you know, you know, I know tonight you're going 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.440 to pick up your daughter from from a swim meet. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:11.120 You know, how do you get the most out of someone, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.639 whether it be your daughter, whether it be a coworker, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.919 whether it be a teammate, Because a lot of times 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:18.840 how we go at him is man, you were sorry 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.440 last play, or hey me, you know that butterfly stroke 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.600 was terrible. You're know how to get better? Isn't that? 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.079 But some people? But it it depends on individual too, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.239 because that's why I said it's not zero some because 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.280 some people respond to that, right, So, whether you're being 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.600 coached away or some people respond to it. But I'm 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.200 just saying overall those two things can exist as long 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.240 as it's delivered in the right tone my hearing you 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:45.520 say that, or depending on the individual, depending on your age, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:51.800 m where you were, where you are raised geographically, and 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:57.760 then how you were raised in that community, what the 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:04.800 true expectations were in your household. That sometimes just demanding 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.400 something from someone can depend on their temperament, can be 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:14.760 just as or more severe and come across to those 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:20.240 individuals as demeaning mhm. And you can demean someone that 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:25.159 maybe from that that's from an area where what you know, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.840 there are duck water goes off their back no matter what. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:33.240 That you can demand and demean and they're unshaken. So 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.159 it really just depends on their temperament. You know what 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.719 I really believe, and I've said it before, you have 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:46.239 we have to be extremely careful that we don't allow 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:52.920 people's behavior to be witnessed or watched so critically that 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:59.559 that results into leaving those individuals feeling devalued. It's okay 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.800 to be the ending, right like if we got a deadline, 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.280 So no, I mean, I mean, at some point in time, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.640 you you gotta meet a result, right like you gotta 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.840 we gotta cross the finish line. We gotta deliver this 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.520 deliverable like whatever it is, so you can be demanding. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.200 I just think in the quote that Joe saying, you 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.159 also don't necessarily have to be demeaning in the context 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.840 of whatever relationship. Yeah, I'm not saying to me Bill 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.240 Belichick just made but Bill Belichick maybe the meaning to 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.440 someone that they're going to get the result of possibly 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.039 winning a championship. I'm just saying that. I just think 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.400 where we are today. I think where we are today, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:37.600 there are some people being demanding, and I think people 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:44.159 hide under the the notion of relationship. I think sometimes 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.920 people because I'm you know, I'm I'm around my kids, 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.839 Like you have two kids that was that are younger 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.719 than mine, so you're interacting with them differently contexts different 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.240 context is different. But I got a twenty four year 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.960 old tune to be one year old in a sixteen 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.960 year old who's gonna be seventeen this year, And there 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.000 are sometimes I'm literally scratching my head, going, man, this 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:13.760 is like when I was seventeen, you couldn't do that, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.840 Right when I was twenty four, you couldn't like you 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.159 cannot do and I'm not saying my kids are, but 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.920 I'm just saying other kids are. Subpar work. Yeah, subpar 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:31.320 work was not always accepted, but now, well I gave 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.320 it a try, so wouldn't you should be It was 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.360 like agree participation ribbons, yes, right, and it's like it's 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.520 okay to be demanding like And that's that's where I 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.200 was going with this. I mean, because we all got 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.760 all lathered up about this, because we all have so 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.640 many different experiences with that. Because I think if we 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.080 all go back to our younger adulthood, in our childhood 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.080 mostly has been demanded, mostly all of our coaches probably 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.800 leaning towards the demeaning hall. Don't get me started on 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.080 with right coaches. I mean, what did you call you? 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.640 I can't, I don't want. We're gonna need to gotta 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.000 ready for we gotta, we gotta eat, we gotta explicit 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.000 right that bad Yeah? Yeah, like coaches trying to get 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.240 him up out of there like some more did you 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.320 wasn't when you were playing basketball or football? Football? Because 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.440 I see a basketball game, I'll cut you out too 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.960 if I did. He say, you say, gosh, dang it, Gerard, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.920 like you to be okay on this play. If it 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.160 was a basketball coach, I could understand. Was at the 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:37.040 house one time. He hadn't played like two years. Tom 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:43.560 touchball like two years. It looked like and yeah, that 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.440 was likely. I'm not gonna lie. I looked at him, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.680 and once I warmed up, I was straight. But Horse, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.040 that first shot it was bad. I can admit that. 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.080 He said, black folks back. He said us back literally 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.320 does the ball in two years. Here's the last question 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:06.800 I had for that, though, Were you demanding or demeaning? 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.280 I laughed, my damn. So he looked. I said I had, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.600 I had. I had a card. As soon as I 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.400 played that card and touched basketball two years. He shot 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.920 at new He shot the ball. It was a straight 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.920 air ball, but it wasn't the white it was. It 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:29.400 was so it was so bad. I was like, you said, so, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.840 I can't remember what it was. I was shocked, though. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:38.440 I had a rebotal, quick relaxed, and weas were playing Horse. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.160 We were just like Horse. We were shooting like we 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.840 were shooting, and we shot on the court. And I 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.040 looked at I was like, it was bad. I'll take that. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.920 I'll take that. I just like, oh, my gosh, is 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:59.120 she a brother man, want to welcome to cut to 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:05.280 a podcast. The Jackson, a chef for Rising Star for 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:10.040 the Food Network, also played a former NFL player. Right 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.720 attended the University of Arkansas. I think they got a 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.200 football team some days, some years. I'm not sure. So 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.240 we're gonna get into that right Actually, yeah, we're gonna 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:28.200 get But we appreciate Eddie Jackson coming on the cut 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:35.200 to a podcast. I like to switch up so so 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.280 so Steve, you know where I'm at right now, you 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.880 and you talk, Be careful, be careful, I get some 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.520 tongue is come over there and run up in your 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:50.600 hotel and the boys way outside your way class. Oh yeah, 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.080 they don't play around. Now, they don't play around. So 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.920 is it? It's snowing out there right now? Now? I 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.760 actually know what, man. It is beautiful right now. It's sunny, clear, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:05.600 snow capped mountains probably about thirty five degrees thirty degrees. Yeah, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.400 that's some good, that's what. Still that's still are too 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.240 cold for me though I'm from Texas. It's cold, but yeah, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.920 it's good skiingamen. Man. We gonna get some ice breakers 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.480 right now. So if you can have the answer to 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:24.640 any question. What would that question be? What came first? 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.960 The chicken out the egg? What's your thesis on it? 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:44.520 The egg? What? I don't know it just who laid it? Somebody? 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.280 Things that make you go. I like that. That was 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:53.080 very good man. Being a chef. What's your cheat day food? 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.600 For me? Cheap day food for me is barbecue. I'm 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.840 from Texas, so you know, I'm known as the barbecue 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.600 but I do a little at everything. I'm a kind 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.600 of a global chef. Take a little bit of this, 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.520 a little bit that from my travels. But for me, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.040 it's been in Texas. Man. When I want to cheat, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.760 I'm going give me some barbecue, some briskets, some ribs, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.960 some macaroni throwing down. Man, let's get right into it. Man. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.360 Where are you? You know, where are you from? In 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.960 the place you call your hometown. So I was born 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.520 in a small town in Georgia called Americus, Georgia, which 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.440 is about two and a half hour south of Atlanta, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.199 But I grew up in Texas. I moved to Dallas 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.040 when I was about ten years old. So I grew up. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.079 I considered myself a Texas boy. Uh you know everything 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.959 that I love school and you know, really homed in 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.760 on my cooking and all that stuff kind of started 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.680 in Texas. So I raised in Dallas and now I 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.560 live in Houston. I've been in Houston by eight nine 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.000 years now, So Texas is it for me? All right? 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.280 So how would you describe you up bringing? Uh? For me? So, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.280 but I grew up in a in a household full 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.640 of when I was younger, you know, I was about 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.560 you know, from one to ten. I was raised by 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.760 my mom, right my dad was in the military and 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.959 so I didn't I didn't really meet my dad until 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.600 I was probably about eight or in between eight and ten. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.240 So you know, my mom had me at a really 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.680 young age, so, you know, raised by a single, single parent. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.280 But the good thing about that was that I was 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.599 in a small town back in Georgia. So this is 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.480 where my grandmother's were, my uncle's, my uncle's, my cousin. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.079 So you know that old saying where it takes a community, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.880 you know, village to to to raise the child. So 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.560 that's really what it was, you know what I mean. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.880 So I was always with my grandmother's. I was always 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.200 over to my aunt's house because my mother was really 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.720 young and she was still trying to. She was basically 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.560 still in school. My mom had me and she was sixteen, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.719 so she was still in school when I was one 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.200 and two years old. And the time that I was 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.360 in was rough. You know what I mean. It ain't 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.360 nothing to do there, you know, it ain't nothing to 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.840 do that but get in trouble and so what again, engagement, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.640 That's what I was doing. I was getting in trouble 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.880 left and right. Uh, you know to the point where 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.400 my mom was like, man, care, Uh, you need to 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.360 go be with your dad. You did, you need to 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.240 get some get right. So that's what happened. Um. You 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.880 know when when moved with my dad after he got 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.559 out the military, and I moved with my dad to Dallas, 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.680 and uh, man, that's the best decision that my mom 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.600 could have made. And that's the best thing that could 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.880 have happened in my life because I tried my stuff 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.800 that I was doing my mom. That first day I 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.640 got the Dallas, I never forget I tried that with 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.680 my dad. He punched me, squared my chest. He said 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.040 that that meant that she was doing back home and 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.640 it ain't gonna cut it here. They ain't gonna fly 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.760 here and that's the last time that my dad, you know, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.720 had to get on me. My dad big dude six 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:43.040 six to you know to sixty military, you know, hardcore guy. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.840 So so you said he punched you, but what he 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.920 did is he socked you. Yeah, he socked me. Put 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.640 them on you. Yeah, that's the one with the tears. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.880 Don't actually come out for about three minutes. The first 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:08.160 two millions and you can't. Oh no, Now, my dad 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:09.640 was man, you know, what to think about it, and 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.560 then my dad was military. My dad was an amazing 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.720 athlete as well. He was a McDonald All American. But 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.559 you know, that's the thing, so to think about it 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.440 was in the country, the mentality was different. So, you know, 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.040 my dad had a child and he was, you know, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.960 a senior in high school. He had scholarship offering. He 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.560 was a McDonald All American, you know, so he had 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.960 scholarship offers from everywhere. But my grandfather was you know, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.680 I didn't understand that education was so important. He made 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.720 him go into the military so he'd be able to 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.480 provide for you know, my dad took care of me 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.800 even though he wasn't around. He would always send money 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.520 and you know, I would talk to him all the time. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.160 I just didn't see him because you know, you know, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:48.920 he was all over the country, all over the world. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.680 Back then, technology was nothing compared to what it is today. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.080 Oh no, not at all. Man. I was born in 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.000 nineteen eighties, so you're talking seventy nine, seventy eight. Seventy 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.320 nine is one. You know, my mom was pregnant, so 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:02.960 my dad was my grandfather was like, you need to 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.600 go to the minature. You need to start pro biding 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.360 for this this child, not thinking, you know, going into 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.400 college and getting an education. Who knows what could have happened. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.440 So now were your only child, You've got any siblings? No, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.080 I have siblings, but you know, from my my mom 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.240 and my dad, I'm the only one. My dad ended 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.400 up ended up remarrying and having I got two brothers 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.400 and a sister and from my dad's marriage, and my 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.680 mom remarried and she has two daughters. But I'm the older. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:33.280 So you know, we haven't seen each other physically, right, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.880 even on zoom since pretty much when we you know 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.560 that one or two years that we played together. Yeah, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.800 and then now seeing you and and and admiring your 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:51.400 career on on on television, it makes me go backwards 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:57.240 right in my mind going, I never held a conversation Togo, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.480 do you like cooking? Right? And so you know it's 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.800 it's one of those I just as being a former 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.200 teammate or man. Take me down the journey of Eddie Jackson. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.200 How did you get how did you get here? Today? 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.400 From your perspective, not the highlights of what you think 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.240 everybody else you think that everybody wants to hear. I 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.000 want to hear your story. We want to hear your 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.320 story of how you got there because playing in the 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:31.280 NFL to cooking, Yeah, and a pretty damn good cook 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.560 and TV present, pretty personality on Food Network. Yeah, the 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.000 personality all that stuff. Now, I did hear that you 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.040 scared of Bobby Flame, but we'll get into that little 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:49.920 bit later. Yeah, I heard what you'd be like, Hey, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:56.240 you know the food talking now talking talking, Bobby said, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.800 you don't want know smoke, no smoke, beat he said, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:09.640 He saide, listen, he said, he said, And I slap barbecue. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.080 So look real talk though. So the thing was is 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.720 that so like I told you, I grew up in 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.840 in in Georgia and ironically, both of my grandmothers on 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.879 either side so my mom my mom's mom wasn't chef, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:30.040 and my dad's mom wasn't chef. Okay, you got You 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.840 can't just say grandma like we are you black? You 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.040 better tell your grandma's name. You gotta tell identified which 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.639 one because you know, you know, if it's who ever listening, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.639 say well, which grandma was you talking about? Because I 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.640 actually have two grandmas that are both named Betty. Really, yeah, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.520 you gotta distinguish which one you're talking about. So I'm 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.520 gonna tell you right now. These names I'm about to 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:01.040 say is the most interesting in red Mon days. I'm 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.320 from North Carolina. You ain't said nothing slip to Knda. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:08.920 You're talking my dad's ball, my dad's ball, any Ruth Jackson? 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:15.240 Ain't that bad? You kidding me? And then my mom mother, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.160 she's still alive. My dad's my dad's grandma, route Grandma Ruth. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:27.160 She passed away when I was a teenager. But Geraldine, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.600 Geraldine sounds like she was Naomi Gerdine sounds like she'll 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:36.840 pop you. Oh man. She popped me with a with 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.840 a pie roller one time. Oh snap, I got some 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.840 weight behind it, made the thing in it popped it. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.800 It rolls that gets that didn't pop. You don't get 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.560 popped by power roller. You got hit with a power roller. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:55.040 You know, get switch, you don't get you get hit 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.280 with a power roller. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's that's one. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.920 That's one of those. You get to hit whatever they 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.560 got handy. And that's what she had. The old school 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.520 names like because you don't see you. People don't have those, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.399 like you don't see someone named like Pernil anymore. No, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.399 but Pernell or Geraldine, like Geraldine looked, Geraldine sound like 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:21.320 a grandma and she and based off her history, Try 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.720 Geraldine if you want to. She whooped your ass so quick. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.000 You know she's gonna smell like being gay before you 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.040 to meet. Yeah you know, yeah, you already know. But no. 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.720 So my grandfather chefs. So I grew up in that household. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.640 I grew up. I grew up at a young age 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.160 around food. Um, Like on both sides. Whenever I would 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.320 go to my mom's house, it was always sent around food. Um. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.320 You know, for any type of celebration, weddings, funerals, graduation, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.320 it was always the biggest traffic ganza around food because 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.560 you know, the head of the household, my grandmother's they 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.639 were chefs, like really good chefs. And so the first 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.560 thing that I learned how to do was really cooked. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.600 Before I even started into sports. I would, uh, I 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.919 would cook with my grandmother, Geraldine, and she taught me 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.800 how to make biscuits when I was five years old, 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.000 like scratch made biscuits and make pies and stuff like that. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.439 Would make pies and Scratch made piecrusting, Scratch made cakes. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.080 So I was doing this when I was five and 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.240 six years old. I didn't really get into sports until 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.840 I really moved with my dad. So before I even 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.479 got into sports, food was like my thing. I just 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.200 love food. And my grant, my dad's mother, Andy Ruth, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.840 she was actually a private chef for President Jimmy Carter. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.400 Jimmy Carter is from the small time that I'm from, Plains, Georgia, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.200 which is right next to America's that's where he's from. 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.800 That's where he still lives today, and so she was 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.440 his private chef for a while. So that's what that's 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.200 what I was around, man, you know, for the first 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.560 ten years of my life was food, food, food, food, food, 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.719 And I always heard about my dad being this great athlete. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.240 They like, man, you you know, they would see me 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.280 running like, oh man, you got your dad in you. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.480 And I never knew. It wasn't any sports around. There 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.119 wasn't no little league, It wasn't. It was a small country. Know, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.760 we were raised. We were raised on the dirt road. 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.080 That was about it. Man. So when I moved my dad, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.760 when I really got into sports. But my dad wasn't. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.480 My dad is an amazing cook as well. He learned 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.200 from his mother. So that was really what we would do. Man. 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.280 He got me in the football, got me in the basketball, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:17.200 got me in the track. Um. But we would always cook, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.560 always cook. Every Saturday, we would cook, you know, whether 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.879 we were watching football, watching basketball. It was always sitting 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.000 around cooking. That's all I ever did. All I ever did. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.480 And so when I got the arket, so I got 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.040 a scholarships, arkis on I was. I was always cooked. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.080 I was a guy that was always cooking. So everybody 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.280 would come to my house because they knew, you know 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.560 how it is when you're in college. You know, you 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.080 even wroma new thles. But I was over there cooking 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.560 home cooked meals. So you know, it was always packed. 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.760 And my dad was like, looking, man, you sitting here 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.240 cooking all this food. But these guys, you need to 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.280 start selling plates. So I started selling five dollar plates 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.479 to all my teammates and little to goat boxes. They 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.200 were put in their orders at the beginning of the week, 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.600 meat low fried, chicken, bake, spaghetti, I mean barbecue, and 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.600 I would. I had a whole setup man at grills, 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.359 I had friars, and I was selling to my teammates. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.280 I'm trying to figure out how you got groceries. So 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:07.760 now that explains you. Was he was hustling, trapping, trapping 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.160 pace o the bend though. I would take that pair. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.320 I would take that pail, grint man and flip it 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:16.240 about three or four times, making meat loaf. This dude 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.040 was trapping meat loaf. Yeah, man, I was. I was 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:28.280 trapping meat loaf the window. 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