WEBVTT - Hamsters Can't Laugh (S1 E11, “Paris Is Burning”) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:17.680 I am all in, kiss you, I am all in 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.160 with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Everybody, it's uh, 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:28.160 Scott Patterson here with the I Am all In Podcast 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.760 from my Heart Radio. Man, what an episode. Paris is burning. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.520 There's a lot more burning than Paris. I would say, 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.879 Max Medina and Laurel I are burning, Emily is burning 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.760 down at Laurel I. Rory is burning down at Paris 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:51.839 and burning her down, and man burning down Laureli. It's unbelievable. Listen, guys, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:53.960 I hate to tell you. I told you so, and 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.600 I warned you about this, but um everything that I 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.080 thought would happen happened. It happened in one episode. I 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.040 didn't expect it this quickly. But my god, it was 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.480 like getting in the ring with Mike Tyson and you 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.800 just keep getting slugged and slugged and slugged, and there 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.119 it is. I mean, it all just came apart, and uh, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.319 it was just a beautiful thing to watch, wasn't it. It 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:26.320 It was just it was just lovely. Um I I 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.959 I didn't want to be right. It pains me to 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.240 see this very And here's the thing about Rory. She 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.160 is such a strong, young woman. That's the thing for 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.800 me that came through in this episode is her strength, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.400 her strength that she has had to deal with all 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.160 of this, and especially it's sort of like, you know, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.360 you put a cap on it at the end when 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.440 she comes in and and and cuddles her own mother. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.400 I mean, who is the child? Who is the daughter 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.480 who's raising who? Here? Um? But I get I really 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:03.160 like the way this episod so uh really portrayed a 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.600 single mother who needs to have a life outside of 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.280 this because of course it's all been set up that hey, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.400 she's you know, Rory's going off to Harvard or Gale 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.480 wherever she's going to go off to and what about 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:23.000 your life? And it was really good dramay, it was 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.440 really more drama than comedy. But it was, my god, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.919 that was powerful, powerful episode. I knew this was gonna happen. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:35.519 I was it just it just seemed like perfect set 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.480 up for something like this to happen. And it all 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.880 blew up. Boy did it blow up? And the moment 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.600 the Paris came by and and saw those two you know, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:52.600 neck in in the classroom. Boyn um. Anyway, Um, we 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.520 have a very very special guest and she's waiting in 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.280 the waiting room, and let me read a little bit 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.640 about Marrow Wilson. Okay, and you know her and your 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.440 love her. Marra Wilson is known for her childhood roles 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.200 in Mrs doubt Fire and Matilda. Mara's first book, Where 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.519 Am I Now? True Stories of Girlholding Accidental Fame, is 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:20.600 available from Penguin Random House. Marra Wilson will be joining us. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.720 Can't wait to talk to her. She is a Gilmore 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:33.360 Girls super fan and we will be back after these messages. Yeah, okay, everybody, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.200 We're back. Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast. I 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.480 heart radio. We are going to bring in Marrow Wilson here, 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.560 who is a Gilmore Girls super fan and um a 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.680 very successful actress in her ow right. And there she is. Hello, Maura, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.600 nice to meet you. Hi, Nice to meet you two. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.880 I am so excited about that. I am very excited 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.920 about this too. After reading your resume and being aware 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.800 of your my publicist emailed me and she knows me 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.880 very well, and she was immediately like, I assume that 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.600 you're gonna want to do this, and I wrote back 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.839 like yes in all caps. Immediately she knows, she knows 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:12.640 I'm a fan, We're glad to have you, and uh, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.720 you're a Gilmore Girls super fan. What was it that 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.599 initially captured you. You're a writer of some note now, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:23.520 so I imagine the writing grabbed you immediately. Definitely. You know. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.440 I I'm usually either I'm usually very behind the curb 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.720 on things, and I was kind of on Gilmore Girls too. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.080 I I didn't start watching it until like the fourth 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.720 or fifth season, and my brother John was a huge 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.440 student of it. Though he loved it. And John liked 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.280 a lot of of the like c w w B, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.080 you know, ABC Family, free Form, Fox Family kind of shows. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.080 He liked a lot of them, but Gilmore Girls was 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.920 was always like it always had a special place in 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.600 his heart. And I think at that time, I think 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.960 that I was like when at first from here, I 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.960 think I was like, uh, you know, I was kind 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.560 of like too much of a tomboy, and I was like, 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.200 this is and going to be something I want to watch. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.799 It's gonna be too girly. Later on I would realize 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.880 that I actually love girly stuff. But um, I started 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.479 watching it with him when he would like he was 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:10.880 he was in college at the time and he would 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.320 come home, and I would watch it with him, and 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.280 just the witty banter and just the way that everybody 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.120 talked and how fast it was, And it felt kind 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.760 of similar to my family because there was a lot 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.760 of in my family. There was a lot of talking 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.039 over each other and dropping all these references and dropping 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.840 all these quotes, and so that felt very familiar and 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.320 it felt very fun. So yeah, I think it really 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.919 was the dialogue, I think, and and writing dialogue is 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.880 one of my favorite things ever, probably because I grew 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.200 up on film sets and I spent a lot of 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.000 time listening to adults talk, so good dialogue really gets 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.880 to me. It. Uh, I absolutely love it. So that 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.560 that is something that I think is very important to 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.560 me and something that I I gravitated to right away. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.600 So many great characters, so difficult for a writer to 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:01.280 create so many distinct, unique voices in one care amazing. Yeah, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.200 there's so many. There's it's it's so interesting because the 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.360 rhythm is all very similar, I think, but everybody has 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.520 such a distinct voice, and there really isn't like a 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.760 weak link in in any of in any of the characters. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.600 Like you, you love all the characters, even even the 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.839 ones that you hate, you kind of love because they're 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.560 just so fully formed and they're so they're so fascinating 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.320 and they're so interesting in their own way. So I immediately, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.920 you know, when I started watching it, I was like, oh, 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.919 this is really good, and I don't know what I 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.479 was expecting. But I also love drama tase. I think 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.479 that I think that kind of and I write like 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.679 the stuff I right tends to be kind of drama esque. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.040 I think that there really isn't such a thing in 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.000 life as like a truly comedic or truly dramatic moment. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.200 There's like a seed of of you know, you find 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.800 the comedy in the sad, and there's always a bit 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.919 of tragic in the comedics. So I think drama tas 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.280 are are are like the sweet spot. They're very true 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.880 to life. Let's break down the episode a little bit. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.279 So you watched you watch the episode, yes I did. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.480 I did, And you know that the previous two episodes 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.440 I think are are like some of the best episodes 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.880 I think. So, so I watched those. I went back 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.640 and because I went to watch it, and I was like, Okay, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.360 but I need to go back and watch these two first, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.320 because I love these and uh. And my sister was like, 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.360 can we just watch Guilmard Girls from the beginning again? 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.760 And we might end up doing that. We might end 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.320 up doing that. Uh. And she was hesitant to get 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:23.840 into it too, but as soon as she got into it, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.240 she was like, Oh, this is the best show. I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.880 love it. And so it's something that means a lot 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.760 to both of us. Uh and uh. And but but 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:35.040 I think that that this character, this show, it's interesting, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.640 this this one episode has it focuses on one of 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.240 my favorite Gilmo Girls characters and one of my least 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:50.040 favorite Guilmo Girls characters. I don't like Max Medina. And yes, yes, okay, 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.520 because because he suffers from a terminal case of not 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:59.240 being Luke. Um, I am Luke and Laurela all the way. Uh, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.040 you know. And and but also for a long time, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.960 because I've seen Scott Cohen on other shows and I've 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.480 loved him on them. I loved him on The Americans, 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:08.920 and and so I was like, well, I know it's 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.560 not the actor. He's a great actor and the writing 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.080 is good, so what is it? And then I thought, oh, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.160 my gosh, he reminds me of my ninth grade English 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:21.200 teacher who was always kind of he tried. He this 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:22.960 was a guy who loved to talk about like how 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.800 nice and kind and emotional and enlightened he was, but 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.760 he was actually just kind of a big jerk and 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.040 he was and he really didn't like me. And I 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.240 really loved his class, but he really didn't like me. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.640 And I'm like, oh, he gives me big Mr you know, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.120 Mr h feelings. He he reminds me of him, and 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.800 I think that's what it is. I was. I mean, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.959 I was like going through a tough time, which honestly, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.760 like everybody is when they're fourteen, but you know, like 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.400 like things, there were a lot of big changes in 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.080 my life, and I was kind of struggling with my 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.480 identity and I I was I was a bit like 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.520 Laurel I. I was loud and I was obnoxious, and 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.720 I was always talking over everybody, and I would blurt 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.719 things out in class and I would embarrass myself and 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.760 I would embarrass my friends. And I think that I 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.720 was just too intense for him, and he didn't he 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.520 he didn't like that, and so he remember he kicked 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.959 me out of his class once because I've been talking 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.199 out of turn. Like too much. And he told me, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.120 he said, has anybody ever told you that you rubbed 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.960 them the wrong way? And I was like, what a 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.360 thing to say, And especially when it's especially when it's 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.959 coming from somebody who who's like all about psychology and 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.720 all about Freud and will be like, tell me about 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.360 your parents, tell me about your life, and like being 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.920 insulted by like a sensitive, a sensibly gentle person is 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.840 like the worst thing that can happen. And I had 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.280 a bit of Luke and me too, I was also 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.679 kind of I was also kind of grumpy, so uh 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.600 so I think that kind of that kind of put 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.280 him off, and you know that puts some people off. Um, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.480 so Max reminds me of him. But also he's just 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.440 not Luke. So so it's just like, you know, you 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.360 watch these episodes and and and Luke is like a 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.200 part of them, and and then oh and and then 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.280 you know, and then here's here's not again, So that 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.320 I think was part of it. And but Paris, Paris 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.920 is one of my favorite characters. She is so entertaining. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.840 So I loved I loved the Paris moments in this one, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.320 plenty of them. Uh yes, yes, what a what a 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.960 mean girl. But you know, and I know how they 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.480 try to justify it through the divorce, The horrible divorce 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.920 has a family in Paris and a second family in Paris. Yes, yes, 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.160 you know, I think some very famous people had second 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.360 families in Paris. Buck Fuller, I think had a family 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.040 and another family. There's you know, a lot of writers 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.280 had second families. I mean, it seems to be a 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.679 theme amongst the tortured creative souls. Yeah, they all had 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.680 like their their wives and their mistresses and yeah, and 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.240 a lot of them were in Paris, and I think 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.880 that that was kind of more that was that was 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.319 seen as like even more acceptable. Like here, you know, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.320 they would they would shame you for that, I feel like, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.200 but but in in France, you know, that was you know, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.400 that was seen as as acceptable. And and excuse me 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.600 to hear that, like like, um, amongst the royal family 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.120 and aristocratic people, it's considered kind of cool if you're 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.079 if you're like partners having an affair with somebody who's 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.600 like more aristocratic or more royal. Like some people said, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.760 like about Camilla Parker Bowls, like her husband was like 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.760 was like, well, she's sleeping with the prince and that's 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.360 cool because he's so high status. So but things are 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:26.240 very different in the US. But I love Paris, and 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.280 I just love seeing and I mean, this is one 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.319 of the few times that you see her mom and 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:31.719 and you kind of get a feeling that Paris was 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.240 actually raised by her nanny, you know, And and she 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.640 is very lonely. And and I think people who are 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.680 kind of born into chaos, they tend to maybe not 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.880 thriving chaos, but they're used to chaos, and they kind 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.080 of create chaos around them because that's what they're used 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:48.839 to and what that's what they that that allows them 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.120 to kind of have the upper hand. So really, one 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.760 of my favorite lines on the show ever, I think 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.600 is in a later season, uh, when Rory and Paris 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.360 are getting along and Emily says, now there's Paris. Are 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.880 you two friends? Never can tell? So I saw a 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.320 little bit of Emily in Paris's mother. Oh yeah, for sure, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.480 for sure. And there's a lot of there's a lot 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.200 of of there's a lot of oh my gosh, i's 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.120 gonna quote the show. There's a lot of Emily in Paris. Uh, 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.080 there is, though, there's they definitely and they understand each other. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.120 I think when they get together they kind of understand 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.080 each other. And Emily sometimes finds her I think a 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.320 little annoying. But I think it's that thing where you 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.880 can see another people what you don't like in yourself. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.880 You know, It's like looking in a mirror, and I 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.400 think that that's kind of what it is. You know 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.959 what I found really interesting about Emily scene with Laurela 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.040 when they come over for dinner and she wants to 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:46.280 confront about the kissing Maximndina, she was incredibly restrained. She 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.760 ramps it up, you know, something big is happening, but 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:54.920 she doesn't abuse the scene. As an actor, she doesn't 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.439 abuse that scene. She she really plays the exasperation beautifully, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.439 like I just don't understand you. Are you insane? Please 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.640 explain this to me, and gives her a chance to explain, 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.840 and she listens. She does listen. I think you're right. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.680 Kelly Bishop is great with that. She's very great with 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.480 with restrained, restrained emotions and restrained scenes. And that's something 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.920 I think I feel like you cadn't see in a 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.440 lot of her performances. You know, you can see that 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.959 in Dirty Dancing, to where she she always has a 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.560 look on her face like she wants to say something, 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.880 but she won't. You know, she wants to do something, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.080 but she won't. And you can hear that on you know, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.600 the chorus line cast album, just talking about her family 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.960 and things. So she think, I think, is she as 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.560 an actress is kind of a master of restraint and 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.280 she wants to do these things, but she she doesn't. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.200 But I think the difference between the difference between her 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.080 and Laura Lae is Emily sees all these restrictions in 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.600 place as an important thing and they are the way 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.800 that things are and you have to live by them. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.120 And Laura just hasn't. She hasn't ever seen that. She's 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.200 she's never understood why do we need to do this? 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.920 She's never understood the why of it? And Emily, Emily 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.800 is like, there there, there isn't a why, you just 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:04.280 do There's so much and and and I don't know, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.960 it's it's uh, it's it's such a great restrained scene, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.760 I think, And I don't know. You see, you see 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.000 one thing that's really nice about this episode as you 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.520 see these two you see Paris kind of having to 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.840 admit that she did something wrong. And you also see 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.880 you see Rory and and Laura Lee relating what you 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.040 see Rory having to take care of Laura Lie. I 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.440 think at the end of this episode, which is really interesting, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.080 and I think that this early in the show, that's 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.520 kind of the first time you see this. It's the 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.080 first time you see Paris sort of admit to to 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.240 a fault, to a flaw and be vulnerable. And it's 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.080 one of the first times you see that. And and 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.640 you know that that Rory sometimes take takes care of 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:46.960 Laura La, but it's one of the first times you 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.480 actually see it. What really shined through for me was 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:55.760 was Rory's strength, her her role, being able to stand 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.280 up to Paris in such a cool man, and being 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.720 able to stand up to her own mother, bargaining at 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.560 the table with her says well, I'm not returning the 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.440 book and screw you, and I'm going into my room. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.720 You're doing yourself. Yeah, she's a tough kid. She is 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.720 a tough kid, and and it you know, I think 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.680 that as she gets a little bit older, she kind 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.080 of she loses her way a little bit. She gets 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.400 she gets more anxious about herself and she second guesses, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.800 but at this age, she she has that and I 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.160 don't know, and I feel like I had a little 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.600 bit of that. I think a lot of people do. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.360 And I've actually seen interviews with like Lisa Whiles she said, Yeah, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.200 when I was young, I was very outgoing and believed 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.160 in myself, and then as I got older, I got shire. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.320 And I feel like Rory kind of does that as 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.120 a character too. But she is she's so strong and 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.320 it's not just taking care of her mother, but it's 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.680 it's also just it's also, yeah, her standing up for herself. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.880 She's a very strong sense of self at this age, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.400 which which is really remarkable. And and Laura I did 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.760 do Laura La, Laura La knew who she was. She 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.800 you know, she she you know, she she probably did 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.960 some things that you know, changed her life, and she she, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:15:59.800 you know, she did some things. I'm not going to 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.280 say it made a mistake because Worry is like a 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.040 wonderful child and she's and she always says like, look, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.920 I didn't really make a mistake. This is something that 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.680 you know, maybe I shouldn't have done, but I'm not 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.640 sorry that it happened. But I think that she uh 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.120 that she I don't know, it's it's uh, it's she. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.520 She also has a very strong sense of sense of self. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.920 Uh and and and so this, this whole this whole episode, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.600 I think and like, yea, so maybe I do like 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.760 this episode more than I thought, because it is it 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.280 is all about, uh, sort of having to come to 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.080 terms with who you are and your identity, especially with 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.160 with the idea of lore La letting Max into her 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.360 life and how resistant she is to that, you know, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.480 seeing how Rory turned out in the Revival, but she 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.920 was doubting herself, second guessing herself, not really her life 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.400 not working out. Do you think those seeds were planted 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.480 in this series right away? I don't know about right away, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.760 but I mean in some ways, I also think that's 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.960 a generational thing because I do know that a lot 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:06.320 of you know, because an extraordinary precocious beginning she had, 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.440 and now she's in this fancy private school, she's going 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.880 to Harbor you and what happened? I mean I think 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.000 a lot of yeah, a lot of kids. You know, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.640 a lot of kids like when they're told that they're 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.400 gifted when they're young, or when they're told that they're 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.920 talented when they're young, and I've experienced a bit of 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.920 this myself, because you know, I was sort of h 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.000 I started acting as a child, and I was kind 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.080 of it's a smaller pond back then. And as I 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:29.960 got older, you know, there were fewer and fewer roles, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.280 and part of it was just well there was more competition, 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.240 but and also and also it's harder to be an actor. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:37.960 I think for me, it was almost easier to be 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.840 an actor when I was younger, because children are afraid 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.560 to be vulnerable, whereas adults learned to be afraid to 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.199 be vulnerable. And I think that that is something that 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.840 that you know. But but I do also think that 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.600 it's a sort of generational thing. I'm not sure what 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.600 it was exactly, but I do feel like most people 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.679 I know, like in their mid thirties, are very unsure 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.200 of themselves. And I don't know if it's the world 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:00.840 that we grew up in or if it's the way 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:02.800 you know, but but I do feel like, like Rory 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.359 is um, there's a story is kind of what we're like. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:10.919 Sixteen year old girl who obviously is academically gifted, she 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.840 is psychologically prepared to deal with somebody in such a 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.280 cool manner as Paris. Who would have the wherewithal and 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.000 the psychological power and the skills to deal with the 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.040 Paris at sixteen years old. You have to be a 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.120 very smart, very cool character with a ton of experience 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.880 dealing with this kind of thing. And what she got 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.720 from dealing with It's like, how did she go wrong? 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.399 How did it go bad? How did she not? I'm 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.159 not saying it went bad, I'm just how did she 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.439 get lost? You know? It's interesting. I feel like, like 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.639 maybe because because Rory is very interprustionally smart, and I 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.320 think that she's smarter with other people than she is 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.280 with herself. And it makes me wonder like if she 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.720 had if she had like become somebody who helps other people, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.399 if she had focused on that, you know, she had 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.560 studied psychology or something instead of instead of journalism and 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.919 kind of like wanting to be a star. I feel like, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.280 you know, maybe that would have changed her. That would 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.359 have you know, that would have been it. I also 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.280 think that there was there were some men in her 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.639 life who kind of steered her wrong, which which you know, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.960 and I have my opinions on this too, and I 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.879 will admit I used to hate Jess. I used to 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.040 really hate him. I was like, you're so mean to Luke, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.120 You're so men to Laura, like you jerk Rory around. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.320 And I liked Dean at the beginning, you know, Uh yeah, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:30.240 I liked Dean and exactly. I think one of the 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.359 first episodes I watched in full actually was the pop 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.640 It episode, and I remember being like being like, why 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.840 is Luke so mean to him? And my brother was like, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.280 you have to go back and watch and find out 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.640 the sort of ups and downs that that happened there. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.840 And then I was like, oh, okay, that's that is 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.480 reasonable for him to hate him, and Lucas protective. But 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.959 but yeah, but but I felt like Jess kind of 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:56.200 came off the best in the in in in the Revival, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.120 I thought that he came off the best because he 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.520 has found him helf and he's not as angry anymore. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.040 And Dean is Deana is very sweet, but Diana's very 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.399 much I think a lot of us have like that 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.040 first boyfriend or that first girlfriend that you know, meant 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.840 a lot to us and really showed us a lot 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.080 of things and we learned a lot from them, and 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.320 and but we're glad we're not with them now, I 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.159 know that I do where I'm like where I'm like 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:19.520