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Speaker 1: I am all in, kiss you, I am all in

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Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Everybody, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: Scott Patterson here with the I Am all In Podcast

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Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio. Man, what an episode. Paris is burning.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more burning than Paris. I would say,

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Speaker 1: Max Medina and Laurel I are burning, Emily is burning

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Speaker 1: down at Laurel I. Rory is burning down at Paris

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Speaker 1: and burning her down, and man burning down Laureli. It's unbelievable. Listen, guys,

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Speaker 1: I hate to tell you. I told you so, and

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Speaker 1: I warned you about this, but um everything that I

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Speaker 1: thought would happen happened. It happened in one episode. I

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Speaker 1: didn't expect it this quickly. But my god, it was

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Speaker 1: like getting in the ring with Mike Tyson and you

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Speaker 1: just keep getting slugged and slugged and slugged, and there

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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, it all just came apart, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful thing to watch, wasn't it. It

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Speaker 1: It was just it was just lovely. Um I I

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to be right. It pains me to

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Speaker 1: see this very And here's the thing about Rory. She

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Speaker 1: is such a strong, young woman. That's the thing for

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Speaker 1: me that came through in this episode is her strength,

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Speaker 1: her strength that she has had to deal with all

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Speaker 1: of this, and especially it's sort of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: she comes in and and and cuddles her own mother.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who is the child? Who is the daughter

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Speaker 1: who's raising who? Here? Um? But I get I really

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Speaker 1: like the way this episod so uh really portrayed a

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Speaker 1: this because of course it's all been set up that hey,

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Speaker 1: your life? And it was really good dramay, it was

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Speaker 1: really more drama than comedy. But it was, my god,

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Speaker 1: that was powerful, powerful episode. I knew this was gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I was it just it just seemed like perfect set

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Speaker 1: blew up. Boy did it blow up? And the moment

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Speaker 1: the Paris came by and and saw those two you know,

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Speaker 1: neck in in the classroom. Boyn um. Anyway, Um, we

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Speaker 1: have a very very special guest and she's waiting in

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Speaker 1: the waiting room, and let me read a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Marrow Wilson. Okay, and you know her and your

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Speaker 1: love her. Marra Wilson is known for her childhood roles

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Speaker 1: in Mrs doubt Fire and Matilda. Mara's first book, Where

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Speaker 1: Am I Now? True Stories of Girlholding Accidental Fame, is

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Speaker 1: available from Penguin Random House. Marra Wilson will be joining us.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to talk to her. She is a Gilmore

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Speaker 1: Girls super fan and we will be back after these messages. Yeah, okay, everybody,

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Speaker 1: We're back. Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast. I

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Speaker 1: heart radio. We are going to bring in Marrow Wilson here,

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Speaker 1: who is a Gilmore Girls super fan and um a

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Speaker 1: very successful actress in her ow right. And there she is. Hello, Maura,

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Hi, Nice to meet you two.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited about that. I am very excited

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Speaker 1: about this too. After reading your resume and being aware

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Speaker 1: very well, and she was immediately like, I assume that

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan, We're glad to have you, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you're a Gilmore Girls super fan. What was it that

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Speaker 1: it really is, and it's it's kind of scary actually,

427
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: So it's a little strange. So yeah, I didn't like

428
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 1: when he appeared in the revival. I was like, shut

429
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: a flogan, go away, yeah, posing, posing, Yeah, I was like, wow, yeah, great, great,

430
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: Look we're talking about the characters here. We're not talking

431
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: about the people. We love the people. Well, the act

432
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: of the place isn't Matt, Matt Supreme, Matt zu Cree.

433
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: I saw him on the street like ten years ago,

434
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 1: walking down the street, and and um, I also saw

435
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: Danny Strong walking down the street I think, like in

436
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: that same neighborhood. And afterwards I was like, I was like,

437
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: is this like a Gilmore girl's neighborhood? But I saw

438
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: him walking down the street and he looked looked like

439
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: very handsome and nice, and I remember thinking like, oh man,

440
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: I feel so bad that I hate this guy's character.

441
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: He seems like a nice guy. Yeah he's got he's

442
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: gotta walk that Razor's edgy, you know. And I've loved

443
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: I've also loved my Loventimilian everything that I've seen him in.

444
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: And but but Jess, Jess, I struggled with. But don't

445
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: ever say that to a Jess fan, because Jess fans

446
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: are hardcore. Cut your head off. I think I also

447
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: was probably too old for Jess, Like I think if

448
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: I had seen him in UM, if I had started

449
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: watching the show when it first came out, you know,

450
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen fourteen, I think that I probably

451
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: would have loved Jess. But by eighteen I had By

452
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, when I started watching it, UM, I had

453
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: been in an arts high school, and I knew a

454
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: lot of guys like Jess, and I had dated them,

455
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: and I was done with them. You know. I was

456
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: just like, you like poetry, maybe you have a guitar,

457
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: like I don't care. I was just like I was

458
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: so over it, so over it, but yeah I was.

459
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, it wasn't that's great,

460
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: that's great. So I was like, I was like, you

461
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: had all that and you played baseball too, man, Like

462
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: I played through my sophomore year and I was so

463
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: annoyed by the coach. Um, yeah, I wasn't like a

464
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: jockey jock guy. Yeah, I enjoyed. I loved playing. I

465
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: was very good at it. But it just I just

466
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: didn't want to be that person that the coach wanted

467
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: me to be. That makes sense, That makes sense. Baseball

468
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: players and baseball coaches can be so hard. So yes,

469
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, and you're in a discipline where you know

470
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: your body is your instrument. It's it's tough, like acting.

471
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: As we break down this episode, as we talked about

472
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: this episode a little bit, where do you think it's going?

473
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: Where do you think? Uh? I mean, I can't even

474
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: Here's what I like. Here's here's what I started liking Max.

475
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: I like the way Max suffered. I like the way

476
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Max faced his consequences. I like the way Max said,

477
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: we need to take some time apart. This was devastating

478
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: for him. He almost lost the woman of his dreams,

479
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: and he almost lost his livelihood and he still might

480
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: lose his livelihood. Um, and as I stated earlier in

481
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: the podcast, this is this relationship between these two is

482
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: going to cost, could potentially cost him everything, and the

483
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: school could be liable, and it's just a giant mess

484
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: and what is going on and why is she doing this?

485
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: Can you justify this on any level? Can you explain

486
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: this to my dumbhead why anybody would do something like

487
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: this and put their child at this much risk in

488
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: the middle of this much of a maelstrom. Um, I mean,

489
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: I feel like and it's weird because honestly, I feel

490
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 1: like if it were if it were like a public school,

491
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: that happens, you know, that happens like, um, you know

492
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: where we're teachers, teachers and you know, parents and teachers,

493
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: they date like that. I've seen, you know, I've seen

494
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: that happen. People married, h you know, somebody married the

495
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: coach or the this or that that. But at someplace

496
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: like Chilton, I feel like there's this sort of and

497
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a class based thing or what,

498
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: because while I was watching this at first, I was

499
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, I was like, what's the big deal, Like, Okay, yeah,

500
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been making out at school, you know,

501
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: it could influence are grades and also but also it's

502
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: a it's a class thing. I think there's there's definitely

503
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: like you guys kind of can't mix and and for them,

504
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: it's probably a bit like a doctor dating a patient,

505
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: which you know, which really is like unethical. I mean,

506
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: it's not like a teacher dating a student, which is

507
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: you know, unethical and illegal. But but although that happens

508
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: to um, but um they were, I think, like, I

509
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: don't know, but I also think sometimes people people are

510
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: very good for each other, but it's just not the

511
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: right time, it's just not the right place. They're kind

512
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: of star crossed. But the thing is that I I

513
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: personally believe and I don't know if this is just

514
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: because I'm a Luke and Laura La kind of person,

515
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: and and uh, I think that like there was something

516
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: that just wasn't right with it. And I feel like

517
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: you can see it with Laura La. She keeps talking

518
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: about what a good guy he is. She keeps talking

519
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: about you know, she's like, he's a good guy. But

520
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe she's even using Rory as

521
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: an excuse. I think this is happening to me too,

522
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: where you meet somebody and they're really wonderful and they're

523
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: everything you want on paper, but there's just not the

524
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: comfort and the connection that you can see with her

525
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: and Luke in the previous episode where they understand each other.

526
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: And and that's the thing too, Like how comfortable Rory

527
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: is with Luke is one thing as opposed to um too,

528
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Rory being announcing you know, I'm comfortable with Max. I'm

529
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: totally comfortable with Max. You know. It's it's if you

530
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: really are. Do you feel that kind of comfort? I

531
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: think you don't really need to say it, and I

532
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: feel like that. So I feel like that is it

533
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: is is different. You know, that is something different. Um.

534
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: But then I'm also a big fan of stories where

535
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: people are like best friends and they go on to

536
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: UH to get married. And I've also seen that happen

537
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: in real life. It happened to a family member of

538
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: mine and UH, and it's very cute when that happens.

539
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: So so I like that narrative. I think a little

540
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: bit more than like this person is perfect on paper,

541
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: but you know, or or or we can't be together

542
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: because of you know, class reasons or job reasons or

543
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: something like that. I you know, I like the I

544
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: like the best friends slowly realizing their in love, you know,

545
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: because there that that comes with the foundation of trust

546
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: I think, as opposed to just kind of liking what

547
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: the other person stands for. Let me, and that's just

548
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: popped in them. Do you think that there's a part

549
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: of Lauraae, there's something inside her that longs to go

550
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: back to Hartford, longs to go back to the country club,

551
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: longs to go back and be accepted by her family

552
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: and live that life. Do you think that she has

553
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: any even a tinge of regret at what she did

554
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: at sixteen? What happened her at sixteen, that's a really

555
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: good and maybe that's why she's sabotaging the Max thing,

556
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: knowing full well it's not going to work out, because

557
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: of course it's not going to work out, And maybe

558
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: that's why there is this sort of undercurrent of I

559
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: don't know, sort of a sec there's a sort of

560
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: a hostile superiority, and you know, I don't I don't

561
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: want I don't want to mislead our listeners. I'm not

562
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: saying that she's hostile towards Luke, but she does have

563
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: this kind of way of I don't know, joking with

564
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: him that's a little too familiar sometimes, and that she

565
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: she hates herself for loving Luke and doesn't want to

566
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: admit it because he's too low down on the on

567
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: the class side for her. Well, that's something you see

568
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: because because Emily, I feel like, you know, and you

569
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: were talking about this in the last podcast episode, Emily,

570
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I feel like she does like Luke, but I think

571
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: she feels like she can't like Luke and that becomes

572
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: a source of conflict later on. She can't like him. Um,

573
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: But I think that I don't know, I don't think

574
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: that she wants to go back to it necessarily, but

575
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: I do think that she realizes in some ways that

576
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: she is dependent upon it in some ways, you know,

577
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: And and that's really the struggle for her is sort

578
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: of and that you know, and that can be kind

579
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: of that is something for a lot of people who

580
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: come from a privileged background. But don't you know, people

581
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: who like like people who who are very against how

582
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, their families made their money, maybe their families

583
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: made their money doing something unethical, but they're you know,

584
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: the kind of kind of like meato soprano kind of

585
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, I don't like where this money

586
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: is coming from, but I need it so I can

587
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: go on to to uh, you know, to to to

588
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: become a lawyer or become a doctor, become whatever it

589
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: is I want to do. She she does sometimes she

590
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: needs that money, and especially for Rory, I think, and

591
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. I think in some ways

592
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: she does want Rory to live that life, you know,

593
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: she she struggles. She doesn't want her to be a debutante,

594
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't want her to be doing all those things.

595
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: But I do think that she wants Rory to still

596
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: have those advantages. She wants her to go to Harvard.

597
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: Uh and and she knows that she's going to need

598
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: that connection. So I don't know if it's a want

599
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: so much as a need. I think subconsciously she knows

600
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: that she needs through her, she's going to should have

601
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: happened with her, Yeah, I think so. I I do

602
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: think that she does. And that's one of the struggles

603
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: I think in in the show too, is is you

604
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: know her her kind of and and I think that

605
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: she knows that in some ways that she's living vicariously

606
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: through Rory. And I think that's one of Louralie's biggest

607
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: internal struggles is trying not to do that so much,

608
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: which is you know, which is something I understood because

609
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: my mother had been an actor and then she you know,

610
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: later on I I when I started acting as a child,

611
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: my mom struggled every day to not be seen as

612
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: a stage mother because she was terrified and she was like,

613
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: I know, somebody's gonna be like, oh, you majored. You know,

614
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: you were in Northwestern theater major and your daughters and actress.

615
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Are you living vicariously through her? You know? So, so

616
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: that's something that I recognize. I think, Um, and uh,

617
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's it's um, I don't know,

618
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's so I do think that she probably

619
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: needs it. She knows that she needs it. Rory very

620
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: strong kid, very strong. Yeah. Um, And isn't it It's

621
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: interesting how all of these people's home lives are playing

622
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: out in dialogue and that the writing is paying attention

623
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: to this and how much it influences all these interactions

624
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: at children with these kids, because it's really just all

625
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: about what's going on at home that I've always said,

626
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: because I really like it's so funny because if you read,

627
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: like the first play that I wrote when I was

628
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: in college and like in graduating college, it was called people,

629
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: and you can see I think more girls and women's

630
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: there because the way that references are dropped and the

631
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: way people are talking over each other, and the way

632
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: that people are are doing these things. My my, I

633
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: remember my playwriting teachers even saying and like my progress report.

634
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: She's like, I know, we tease you a lot about

635
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: all your references, but and uh and it was true.

636
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: It was just but that was that was really so.

637
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: So it was a really big influence. But I've learned,

638
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: I think because I like, I saw a lot of

639
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: plays when I was living in New York, and I

640
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: would see some where they would be really clever dialogue,

641
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: but it wasn't good dialogue. It didn't reveal anything about

642
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: about these people. Like, um, I feel this way a

643
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: little bit about like Cole Porter songs, like all cool

644
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Porter songs are incredibly clever and funny, but very rarely

645
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: do they reveal anything about a character the way that

646
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: like a Sandheim song does, or even a Rogers and

647
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Hammerstand song or Rodgers and Heart song does. I'm a

648
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: big musical theater, so um so that's the kind of

649
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: thing or or like or like a lot of jazz songs,

650
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: do you know um so, so I think that that's

651
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: and and and it's okay if you're writing is just clever,

652
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: you know. But but Gilmer Girls, I think is is

653
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: a level of writing where everything, everything reveals a character

654
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: and everything, you know. Another one of my favorite lines

655
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: is when is when uh, Laura lies like you you

656
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't assume, because when you assume, and she's gonna say,

657
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: you make an ass out of you and me, But

658
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: then she realizes she can't tell that joke to Emily.

659
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: So she's just like, because you just shouldn't and she

660
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: holds back. And and that's the thing too, is that

661
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: is that so much of dialogue and I think you

662
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: see this with Luke, and you see this see this

663
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: later on with Jess. There's also what you're not saying,

664
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: So so that's that's another thing. There's there's it's something

665
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: that you're not saying that you're not saying, And I

666
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: mean the Woody banter. I love it. It's like popcorn

667
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: to me, but but you know, you have to be

668
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: you you. I don't know, there's there's so much sense

669
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: revealed in it, and that that's really what I love

670
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: about this show. What is your I'm gonna ask you

671
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: if that's okay, here we go. Who's your favorite character

672
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: who you relate to the most? Oh? Okay, um, let's see.

673
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: I I I don't know really who my favorite character is.

674
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: I I think I love Lane. Lane is great. Um,

675
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: I love Luke, but there's uh, I don't know. I

676
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: really love Paris. I think Paris is like one of

677
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: my favorite characters. But I feel like a lot of

678
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: my favorite characters and things are really like the most

679
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: earnest ones, you know. I think the most earnest ones

680
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: are always are always the funniest and and sometimes it's

681
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: characters who are very earnest and sweet and open, you know.

682
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: But sometimes it's earnest characters who are a bit too

683
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: too harsh uh and and uh. And I think Paris

684
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: is kind of one of those. Paris can't be anything

685
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: other than who she is, and that's really why I

686
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: love her. I I kind of have like a love

687
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: hate relationship with Emily because I I I hate the

688
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: way she upholds these like archaic things, you know, But

689
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: but I also I also love who she is as

690
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: a person, and I love the way that she loves Rory,

691
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: so you know, so that's really a thing. Uh Suki too.

692
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Suki is another earnest character that I really love. I

693
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I love, I do love the earnest characters. And and

694
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy is also a genius. So I loved seeing

695
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 1: her in this and then you know, ten years later

696
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: seeing her in Bridesmaids and can you ever Forgive Me?

697
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: And all of these things, and I'm just like, I'm

698
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: just like, gosh, she can do anything anything. Isn't it

699
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: amazing that Hollywood took this long to discover her when

700
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: she was doing that work one years ago? She was

701
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: doing that level of work years ago, and nobody cast

702
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: her in a film. Yeah, and you can, yeah, and

703
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: she does and she can. Yeah, she can do everything.

704
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: So I I I absolutely adore her. Um, I love

705
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I love Lauren Grandma's as Laura la I think and

706
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: and and I also love Edward A. Grahaman is as

707
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: like when he when he died, I I think I

708
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: actually said out loud, oh no, grandpa died like he

709
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: he felt kind of like everybody's grandpa. So so I

710
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: can't really choose. I can't really choose, Like, who do

711
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: I relate to? Um? I don't think I relate to

712
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Rory that much because I felt growing up like I

713
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: was kind of a screw up, like I was more

714
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: I think that I and that's probably not true, but

715
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: I was always told you have so much potential, why

716
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: are you wasting it? And I think that's because I was.

717
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: I was a very scattered brandchild. I I like, you know,

718
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I I in college they told me, you know, you

719
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: have a d h D. That's why you relate to things,

720
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: That's why you lose things, you know, So maybe that

721
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: was what was what it was. And I was very

722
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: I was very anxious. I was. I was always nervous.

723
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I was always anxious about it. So I think there's

724
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of Laura Lae. I think that I

725
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: also can do sort of the gruff but loving thing. Um.

726
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: I definitely have a besides. So I think that there's

727
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: especially as I good older, I relate to Luke more

728
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: and more. And I'm also very pragmatic and I think

729
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: Luke is too, you know, whereas Laurelai, I think is

730
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: like more whimsical. So UM, I don't know, maybe maybe

731
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like the child they would have had. Uh yeah,

732
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I but but because because I think I have kind

733
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: of both the the you know, the passionate aspect of

734
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: me and the loud, talkative thing. Um, I'm not a

735
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: coffee drink grama to drinker. But but yeah, but I

736
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: but I do also have a little bit of of

737
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Luke's practicality and roughness and uh, we're not gruffness, but

738
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: but grumpiness and uh and complains like I have. I

739
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: have both sides in me. I think a wide array

740
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: of character personalities to choose from. We can pick a

741
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: little bus is out of out of all of them.

742
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's an amazing array, it really is. Um.

743
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Another fan question, You're ready? Um, okay, So we're going

744
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: to get into this. Well, I think you've already expressed

745
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: how I probably have. I tend to I tend to ramble.

746
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: How you've you've expressed how you feel about Max Medina.

747
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: I have been very clear about how I feel about

748
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: even though we love Scott Corner. What is your favorite

749
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: Kirk Mick odd job. Oh my gosh, Um, I love

750
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: when he plays Jesus and he's so rude to Judas

751
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: in the in the Festival of Living Art. That was

752
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: his favorite character played by the way he came on

753
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: the podcast, he said he favored Jesus over everybody. I

754
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: love I love Sean Gun. Yeah, I love Sean Gun

755
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: in this um. One of the first episodes I watched

756
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: is the one where he's the projectionist and he they're

757
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: trying to show cool hand Luke but they can't. Um.

758
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: There's I love him as the as the dj at.

759
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: It was this wedding, yeah, where where he's just playing

760
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: like Kajagugu and and like wangng and and just like

761
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: all the Terrible eighties one whit wonders. Yeah, I I

762
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: loved I love him as. I love that too. I

763
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: think that's yeah, that's that's those are probably my favorites. Um,

764
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: I see what haven't we covered in the episode? Who

765
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: is your favorite character? Do you think right now? Emily? Yeah? Yeah,

766
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: Emily and Rory Yeah, Emily and Rory. I think I

767
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: think I kind of I don't know. I I think

768
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: that as I as I get older, I sort of

769
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: relate to Emily a little bit more. I mean I

770
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: think that she kind of when you grew up in

771
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: that kind of culture, I think you also there's a

772
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: limit to how much free will you have? Uh And

773
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: and I also think that I also think that Laura

774
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: I probably takes after her father a little bit more

775
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: because her father is somebody who takes risks and does

776
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: big things, whereas Emily isn't. Emily's like, Nope, there's a

777
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: code and I have to live by it. Um so

778
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: so that I think is something. You know, maybe that's

779
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: where Laurea lies, you know, impulsiveness and creativity comes from that,

780
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: even though you know, even though corporate she's a corporate wife.

781
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's uh, what is He's a VP of

782
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: a huge insurance company. I mean this guy is uh,

783
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he does he does so much. But yeah,

784
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: I think I also love and maybe it's because I

785
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: love Kelly Bishop, but I do feel like, like when

786
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: I was younger, I think I was like I was

787
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: like Emily so mean, but now I'm like, no, I

788
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: understand her more. I think, yeah, I have a question

789
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: for both of you. Yeah, okay, So it's a two parter.

790
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: Was Laura lia doing the right thing for herself for

791
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: Rory for whoever? When she was sort of pulling back

792
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: from Max and not returning his calls, and then they

793
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: have the incident in the school room where she's sort

794
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: of trying to break up with him by giving him

795
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: back the book. That's part one. Was she doing the

796
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: right thing? Part two? Did Max do the right thing

797
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: in the coffee shop at the end of the episode

798
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: by telling her or they need to take a break,

799
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: Because that was heart breaking for me. After she's now

800
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: endured all this embarrassment and he breaks up with her,

801
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god. So I'd love to hear

802
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: both of you talk about both those sort of those

803
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: those moments. I think she might have been doing the

804
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: right thing, but she didn't go about it the right way.

805
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be honest with somebody, and

806
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: and and she just kind of wasn't. I think she

807
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: wasn't as upfront about it as she could have been.

808
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, she she wasn't as as honest as she

809
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: could have been. And I understand that why she wasn't,

810
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: because that's a hard thing to do. That's a hard

811
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: thing to tackle. I I do think, Matt, I do

812
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: think Max did the right thing. But I don't know.

813
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: And I guess it's because maybe because I know where

814
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: it's going. But but I do think that I don't know,

815
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Like in my experience, anytime somebody says and then my

816
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: friend's experience. Anytime somebody says we need to take a break, Uh,

817
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: that means they are breaking up for good. But but

818
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: I think that uh, I don't know. I wonder if

819
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: she thinks maybe they will get back together or they

820
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: won't like and maybe he does need Sometimes sometimes people

821
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: do need time. But when they say, I don't know.

822
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: For some there's something about, you know, when they say

823
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: a break, that that it's not it's not working. So

824
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but also but also in some ways,

825
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, who cares, you know, just see where it goes.

826
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: She chose him because she knew it wouldn't work out.

827
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: She did it subconsciously. She knew that it was going

828
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: to cause problems. She knew she would always have an out,

829
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: She would have several people chewing her face off. Her mother,

830
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: uh first and foremost her daughter. I mean she she

831
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: did it to sabotage she she did it to get

832
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: out of it. And um, yes, I think Max did

833
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: the right thing. I really do. I think Max looks

834
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: relationships in the beginning, the first flush, which is what

835
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: they were, still in the midst of a very delicate things,

836
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: and they can I mean, you popped the balloon like that.

837
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: That's tough to go back from that. I mean, he

838
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: was deflated, no pun intended, like a pop and you know,

839
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: he had put so much effort into it. So I

840
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: really gained a tremendous amount of respect for him as

841
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: a man who had made a horrible decision. But now

842
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: I see how overwhelmed he was with his adoration of Laurela.

843
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: And he wanted it all. He wanted a family, wanted kids.

844
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that was it. That's what he had the

845
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: blinders on. And she burst the bubble and he's gone.

846
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: He was like, gosh, you know, it was supposed to

847
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: be perfect. This wasn't supposed to happen. And so now

848
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: he's questioning his own judgment. So it's it's it's just

849
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: a double negative for him, and of course he has

850
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: to retreat and sort of sort of feelings out. Now

851
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: I have two follow ups. Now I have two follow

852
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: ups because you guys are making me think. So my

853
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: first question is and and I'd love for both of

854
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: you to analyze it, because you both sort of have

855
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: suggested you don't like Max, where I love I like him. Now, yeah,

856
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I think I do like him. I do I do

857
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: like him more but but in some ways it's just

858
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: that he isn't Luke. So in the scene where Laurel

859
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: and Max are on like the cute date, they're at

860
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Max's house and they've obviously had like this cute dinner

861
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: that he cooked and they're like making out. Do you

862
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: feel the chemistry between them? Do you think they're a

863
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: good couple if you're just isolating that date? I feel

864
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: it from him. I think he Scott, we just I

865
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: think we just made the same face. We just made

866
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: the same were just made the same, like, you know,

867
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: kind of face. Earlier when he tried to put her

868
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: up against the wall and be passion I'm like, that's

869
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: not passion Yeah, I mean that's not at a level

870
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: of Luke and Laureli, because that's I don't know, Luke.

871
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like Lucas, a passionate person who

872
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: has to try not to be passionate. I think who

873
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: who hides it behind this sort of gruffness? And I

874
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: think that that's true of a lot of people who

875
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, especially people who have experienced a lot in

876
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: their lives or who had you know, Lucas the whole

877
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: thing with his dad and his sister, like he you

878
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: have to hide that sensitivity and that passion behind, but

879
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: behind sort of this layer of if not cynicism, but

880
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: like toughness. Whereas Max, I feel like, is is kind

881
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: of heart on a sleeve kind of guy, but he's

882
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: not super passionate. Max's Max as somebody. Yeah, Max isn't

883
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: a very passionate person, and Laurela is. Uh So then

884
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: I need to know what you guys saw this because

885
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: this because I'm like, I'm I love Max, So I

886
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: come from a place of like, he's doing this great.

887
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Except I do think he had one major misstep, although

888
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: I felt his pain, which is why he did it.

889
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: What did you guys think when he talks to Rory

890
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: to find out is she coming to parents night? And

891
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: she hasn't called me that? I was like, that demonstrates

892
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: that for me, just demonstrated how enamored he is of her.

893
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he cannot control himself. He puts her up

894
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: on a pedestal, I think, and that is dangerous. You can't.

895
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: You can't put someone up on a pedestal. They'll they'll

896
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: immediately fall or or or maybe they never will, but

897
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: but they will start to feel uncomfortable with it. And yeah,

898
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: and she did and she did, so I think that

899
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: that is something. Yeah, Max, Max gets kind of helpless

900
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: around her, and and I think that that's that's not good.

901
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people see that as

902
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: as love, but I don't think that it is. I

903
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: think it's sort of I think I think love needs

904
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: to be more mutual and on the same level. Right,

905
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: But I think he knows how to love. I think

906
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: he's a loving guy. I now get Yeah, I think

907
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: I think she needs to create conflict in every relationship

908
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: she has, or she gets board or that's just what

909
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: you may be right there. I felt more love when

910
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: you we're in the diner and said, drink your hot chocolate.

911
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: You lock up, we're going, let's go to the hospital.

912
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: To me, that was that was love. Yeah, it's I

913
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: think Max knows how to love to I just think

914
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: that ultimately it is a like on paper situation. He

915
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: should be everything that she wants, you know, but but

916
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: but she isn't. And and yeah, Marline maybe a little

917
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: bit immature at this age and and still thinking like

918
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: that she wants something, you know big, and I mean

919
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: she went for Christopher, and Christopher is is you know

920
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: hectic and all over the place and and inconsistent. So

921
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: we know that she she likes a little bit of

922
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: that because that is exciting to her. I I think

923
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: that she also matures, She also grows up a little

924
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: bit and blamer I mean, you can, but but you

925
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: can't blame her for wanting to have you know, dipper

926
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: tone in the water. She hasn't been in a relationship

927
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: for a while. It's true, why why can't she have it?

928
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: But my god, I just think Max was just sort

929
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: of a a test balloon or training wheels for Luke

930
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: to be able to ride. Luke. I could see that.

931
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: I think that he was great on paper. I think

932
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: I think that I think that he was a I

933
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that that he was that he

934
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: was a Yeah, I don't know. I think that he

935
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: was great on paper, but but ultimately not what she wanted.

936
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: And I think that with her and Luke, they are

937
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: on equal footing and they they you know, they kind

938
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: of respect each other. They do respect each other, and

939
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: they trust each other and on some level understand each other,

940
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: and they understand there's an acceptance of who the other

941
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: person is. There's an understanding and acceptance of who the

942
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: other person is. You don't have that really with with

943
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: Max and Laura because Max is putting Laura lay up

944
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: on a pedestal, and he's giving a lot, and he's

945
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: he's getting more than she's comfortable with, I think, and

946
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: she really likes him and really likes who he is,

947
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: but maybe doesn't particularly want it. So you don't have

948
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: the same the same thing that you have in the

949
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: live in Morelie relationship. I totally agree. Um, I just

950
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: think Max is uh, he's a mature, psychologically orientated her

951
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: human being. He's a challenge intellectually for her because he's

952
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: on the same level and he's probably more school better read. Obviously.

953
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: You know, she she went through her whole Michael Crichton thing.

954
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: It was a funny bit versus prost and and I

955
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: think she wasn't up to the challenge. So she sabotaged

956
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: and she chose him because she knew she wasn't going

957
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: to swim in those deep waters, because those are deep waters,

958
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: Max women, and he's a that's the real deal. That's

959
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: a that's a man in love laying his cards on

960
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: the table. And if it's mutual, it should be tough,

961
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: and it became not mutual, so anyway, very interesting. All right, Mara,

962
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: are you ready for rapid fire? Yes? Okay, where god

963
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: you rapid fire? And here we go. Ready? Countdown, ladies

964
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, one, two, three to one. How do you

965
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: take your coffee? You don't drink not at all. I

966
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: drink tea. When I do drink coffee, it is dec espresso. Okay,

967
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: can you smell snow? Um? I guess smell a lot

968
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: of weird things, so yeah, I can't. Actually, Okay, you've

969
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: already answered this, but i'll ask it anyway. Are your

970
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: team Logan, Jesser Dean and Jess when he's a grown up,

971
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: Dean when she's young? Not Logan, I might I'll ask

972
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: this question. Who's the daddy? Oh? What does that mean? Exactly?

973
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: Just the knocked up Rory? Oh? Unfortunately, unfortunately I think

974
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: it's Logan. Unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, I was. I was, Yeah,

975
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: I was, I was like, oh no, not Logan, Please

976
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: don't please, don't be Logan. But I think it probably is.

977
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Netflix has him all over there, you know, like

978
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: with the Gilmore Yeah, Logan together, yeah, best memory of

979
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: Gilmore girls. Oh? Um, I don't know probably watching it

980
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: with my brother and uh and us talking about the

981
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: strummy La La music Sam Phillips. Uh, show you're binge

982
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: watching right now? Show I've been watched, show I've been Oh,

983
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: let's see, Um well, I just finished The Sopranos, Uh

984
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: and Hacks. I loved Hacks. That that is a great,

985
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: great show. I really loved that show too, so um

986
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: so yeah, those are mine. But we might start up

987
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls again. I'm doing it. Yeah, first time.

988
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm loving it. Okay, are you ready to do a

989
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: re enactment scene? Did you know that you were going

990
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: to be asked to do this? I did not know.

991
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: I did not know. You want to just wing it?

992
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: You just want to go for it? Yeah, sure, that's cold,

993
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: cold ride. Yes, right. So what are your plans tonight?

994
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm going over to my friend Lane's house. Sounds good,

995
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: and you guys are dinner movie the usual? Right. This

996
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: is a little uncomfortable, Yes it is. But the thing is,

997
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: if things go well the way I hope things they're going,

998
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: we might do this again. Sit uncomfortably seeing seeing each

999
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: other outside of school. That's okay, I'm fine with this

1000
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: whole you and my mom thing. I'm glad. Well, better go.

1001
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you, Rory, you two. Mr Medina.

1002
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: Oh why don't you call me Max just when we're

1003
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: out of school? I don't think I can do that?

1004
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: Why not? It just sounds wrong, disrespectful. I mean, you're

1005
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: my teacher, Mr Medina, and if I start to think

1006
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: of you as Max, even as a part time Max,

1007
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: it just seems like it would get too confusing. How

1008
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: about then we'd come up with the non children names

1009
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: for each other when we're not in school. I'll call

1010
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: you Rebecca Rebecca, and you'll call me well, I look

1011
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: like a Norman to you. I'm sorry. Psycho was on

1012
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: earlier and it was just the first name that came

1013
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: into mind. I'll think of something else. How about Alfred?

1014
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: You know what? Norman's fine? Are you sure i'll make

1015
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: a legal change? Okay? Well, I better go? Okay, I

1016
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: hope you and Lane have a good time. Thanks. I

1017
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: would you give this to my mom for me? Absolutely? Thanks?

1018
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: Oh a Norman have her home by ten? I thought

1019
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: that was excellent. That's a cute line. That's a cute

1020
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: line there by the end. I like that. I like that. Yeah, yeah,

1021
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: and I think uh, I think we're I think thanks yeah, yeah,

1022
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, this has been so fun. What

1023
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: a great guest. You're fun to talk. Thank you, thank you,

1024
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: and thank you for your time. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1025
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: get your books and I'm going to read your books.

1026
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. I'm very interested in

1027
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: your perspective on things, and you were a very interesting guest.

1028
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: So thank you for coming on. Thank you. I think

1029
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: I even referenced Gilmore Girls a couple of times in

1030
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: my book. Yeah, I think I did. I know I

1031
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: did at least once. All right, thanks, it was the

1032
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: light meeting you. I hope you come back on. I

1033
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: would love to. Oh, please have me back on. I

1034
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: would absolutely love that. I think we're already sort of,

1035
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, kind of texting back and forth. We're gonna

1036
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: have her back on. Yeah, yeah, please do it, please

1037
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: do and yeah. And in the meantime, I think my

1038
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: sister and maybe my brother on the other side of

1039
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: the country and I will will start watching again because

1040
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: because we love it, we really do. I know, I'm

1041
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: having a great time watching. I've never seen it. I

1042
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: saw the pilot, and I saw Winter at the premiere

1043
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: and I've never seen the episode. People never believe that

1044
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: that actors do that. But I know when I was

1045
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: a screen actor, like, it was so hard for me

1046
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: to watch myself. I got so insecure. But and I

1047
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: can do it when I'm doing like animation because because

1048
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at myself, but I'm not judging the

1049
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: face that I've made. But but yeah, but it's hard

1050
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: to watch yourself. But this is such a great show.

1051
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't mind it. Twenty one years later, I'm far

1052
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: en off away from it now where I can actually

1053
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I feel that too. I definitely feel that too.

1054
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: I feel that when I look back on can you

1055
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: watch Mrs Doubtfire now? Because the whole time, all I've

1056
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: been wanting to say is goddamn kids too. I can now,

1057
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: But I used to be. I used to be. The

1058
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: only time I ever I think, voluntarily watched Mrs Doubtfire

1059
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: when I was a kid was it was on TV

1060
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: and I had the flu, And that was the only

1061
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: time that I wasn't like being like, oh my gosh,

1062
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have made that face. I shouldn't have done that.

1063
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have It was the only time I wasn't obsessing.

1064
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: I was on and I watched it and I had

1065
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: the flu and I was like, this movie is wanted

1066
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: to watch. I wasn't that bad A hundred and three

1067
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: degree fever. Yeah, so so I totally get it. So

1068
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: lovely to meet you, Scott. Yes, and we'll hopefully yes, yes,

1069
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, thanks so much to all of you.

1070
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 1: I had a good day. Yeah, all right. She was great.

1071
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: She's so smart. I like her heart, I love her

1072
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: and Mrs Doubtfire. I love Mrs Dolfire. She's so like

1073
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: I just want to keep listening to her talk. You know.

1074
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: It was smart. She's smarter than the three of us,

1075
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Not you, Scott, just the three of us.

1076
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: So Danielle spotted the clown pillow. I did not see it,

1077
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: but Danielle said she saw it. And I'll tell you

1078
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: the exact time code it was at. You nailed it

1079
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: down to the second, right, what's seen, what was happening.

1080
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: It's when Max came over, uh for the date, and

1081
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: he was talking to Roy the scene that we just

1082
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: re enacted. He was literally the clown pillow was literally

1083
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: right behind Max. Minta. You should get all of the

1084
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: time codes for all of the clown Pillow appearances and

1085
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: see if there's some kind of pattern. Oh, we could

1086
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: start something right now. And well, we could start something

1087
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: when you get the info. You know, I actually texted

1088
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: Riley the last time code of the last episode to

1089
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: give me one second. Let me snutes that would be

1090
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: creepy clown Pillow. There's there's a weird, maybe magical configuration

1091
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: about this. Maybe we could we could glean some secrets

1092
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: from the the creators of the show. Maybe we have

1093
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: to add up all the numbers and it comes to something. Well,

1094
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna go crazy trying to figure it out. It's

1095
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna yes, we're gonna just it's like a rube excuse.

1096
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: We've gotta figure it out now. Mind's on fire. I

1097
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: think there's no connection. It's just don't know until we

1098
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: get the numbers. We gotta get the numbers, and I

1099
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: gotta sit down late at nights and how many times

1100
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: we have seven seasons to look for that clown. Okay,

1101
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: so we don't have to do it today or next week,

1102
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: but we gotta get all the time codes on when

1103
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: the clown Pillows appear, because there's something to this I'm

1104
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: telling you there's a secret that we could uncover that

1105
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: could be the whole clue to this thing moving forward.

1106
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: I will make sure to jot down every time code

1107
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: of the clown fellow. Good more work. Was there anything

1108
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: we missed in this episode? I feel like you and

1109
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: Mark covered pretty much everything. There was one big one

1110
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: to what Suki and Jackson. Yeah, the love connection. That

1111
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: was a funny scene. Yeah, wasn't going to start. Wasn't

1112
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: that a great reaction on him and then his slow

1113
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: walk away? Have to re agrees to it? What that

1114
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: was brilliant? Great? I love them together. I love them together.

1115
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: And her what was she doing Ricky Martin? Oh yes,

1116
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: that's what she's That was justice with her little movements

1117
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: with her hands. Oh god, that's that. She is one

1118
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: of the best physical comedians I've ever seen. I mean,

1119
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. What show can she can make you laugh

1120
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: with a couple of different hand movements and a and

1121
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: a voice inflection. It's it's it's amazing. Um. Yeah, I

1122
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: think we pretty much covered the big moments. Yeah. I

1123
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: do like that we're seeing sort of some change in

1124
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: Paris and Rory's relationship. But that was so harsh when

1125
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: Paris starts whispering it in the lunch room and you

1126
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: hear it and you feel it just like going across

1127
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: the tables and just like it was like a wave

1128
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: coming at you, like a tidal wave coming at you. Um. Yeah,

1129
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: I would say this is like the episode that you're

1130
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,479
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, I get why Paris is super mean,

1131
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, like you get it. But but what's interesting

1132
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: to me about Paris is she knew she was facing

1133
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: a stronger person in Rory. Rory who was trying to

1134
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: make friends with her and offer her friendship if you

1135
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: ever want to talk, And yet Paris continued continued to

1136
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: be mean and nasty, and I know it's going to

1137
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: take a while for her to break that down if

1138
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: she ever does. But it's like, it's it's kind of

1139
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: beyond beyond. It's like, yeah, when, when when do you

1140
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: stop blaming the mommy's divorce and then start realizing that

1141
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: this is a truly disturbed individual. Totally wait. Fun fact

1142
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: fact that Paris's mother is played by Anne Gilles, who

1143
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: is also Kelly Taylor, Jenny Garth's mom on Beverly Hills

1144
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 1: nine O two one. Oh yep, I got that fun

1145
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: back for you, leaving us into culture. But I mean, truly,

1146
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a real it's a real

1147
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: balancing act for Paris, because you start to she starts

1148
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: to soften, you start to understand, or you start to

1149
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: your heart goes out to her a little bit, and

1150
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: then yet she she comes back with the nastiness and

1151
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, Okay, maybe it's not the parents. Maybe

1152
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: maybe she's just maybe they're divorcing because they want to

1153
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: get away from her. I don't want to say the

1154
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: word that sometimes comes to mind with Paris what starts

1155
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: with a be Oh, She's just beautiful, beautiful child. There

1156
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: you go, that's it, Riley. Riley knows right, what do

1157
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: we got? Riley? All Right, I'm Riley and this is

1158
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: your pop culture for the episode. So first we have Rory.

1159
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Arrigan, Ora, I said, and I'm Tanya Harding.

1160
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to do the whole shoelace coming, untied, nervous breakdown,

1161
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: let me start again, act in everything. Nancy Karragan is

1162
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: a form of figure skater and actress who won a

1163
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: bronze medal at the World Championship in the Olympics. Nancy

1164
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: was attacked in nineteen by Shane stant who was allegedly

1165
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: hired by her rival skater Tanya Harding's ex husband. She

1166
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: has a movie about her called Tania, played by Margot Robbie.

1167
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: Remember the famous or the infamous Nancy Karragan video post

1168
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: knee bashing, Why Why? The whole thing was just a

1169
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: hot mess, what a mess? And figure skating in figure skating,

1170
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: it was a hot, hot mess, the whole thing, Louise

1171
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: dumb girls, craves, smart men, it's the whole Marilyn Monroe

1172
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: Arthur Miller syndrome. So we've actually talked about this on

1173
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: the podcast. Before Marilyn Monroe married Arthur Miller on six

1174
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: the two were known to having a or lived relationship

1175
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: and people saw their marriage as a mismatch. Marylyn was

1176
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: a sex symbol and Arthur was an aloof intellectual who

1177
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: had thick glasses and unfortunately lost his hair. He finally

1178
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: had to google him to see what he looked like,

1179
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: because we've talked about him so much. She's not unattractive.

1180
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: He was a large, balding, commanding genius um, a man

1181
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: of letters, and they both had something that they wanted

1182
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: from each other. He wanted her because it was I guess,

1183
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, she was actually a remarkably talented person. Um.

1184
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: She was very good with comedy, She was very she

1185
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: was a really accomplished actress. Uh. And I think he

1186
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: recognized it. I mean, she left Hollywood to move to

1187
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: New York to get involved with Lee Strassburg in the

1188
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: actor's studio, and that's where they met. And something kind

1189
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: of cute about him holding up a picture. He's kind

1190
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: of cute, and they you know, I think she was

1191
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: underestimated by the studios, and you know, she really wanted

1192
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously as an actress. And and and

1193
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what she nominated for anything, but did

1194
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: she ever win any Oscars or not? What she ever nominated?

1195
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: Did she did? She was in a movie called I

1196
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: think Giant. Was that James Dean and maybe you know,

1197
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: maybe it was Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. I forget

1198
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: the name of the movie. But but I mean, really

1199
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: a very very skilled, uh and very intuitive actress. She

1200
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: really was. She could do anything. So I think, you know,

1201
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: obviously he was the leading intellectual in theater circles in

1202
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: New York at that time. Uh a much uh revered playwright.

1203
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: I mean he was Arthur Miller, for God's sake, a novelist,

1204
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: Wasn't you know? He was a novelist as well. Um,

1205
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: death of a salesman, that's no, yeah, that's nothing to

1206
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: scoff that it's nothing to you know, my god, Riley,

1207
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: what what what came next? Rory says, well, it's not

1208
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: the Rick James incident, but Hugh Grant should be feeling

1209
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: pretty good about himself. Two good ones nailed it so.

1210
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: Rick James is an American singer, songwriter, and record producer.

1211
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: His real name is James Ambrose Johnson, Jr. He started

1212
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: singing on the streets of Buffalo, New York at a

1213
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: young age, and James was arrested on charges of holding

1214
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old female hostage for up to

1215
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: six days. Yikes. But Hugh Grant Hugh Grant is award

1216
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: winning English actor known for roles in films, television series

1217
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: and more. He studied English at Oxford University before pursuing acting.

1218
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant was caught with a lady of the evening

1219
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: named Divine Brown, and the incident got even more notoriety

1220
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: when he went onto The Tonight Show with Jay Leno

1221
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: and said, what the hell were you thinking? So that

1222
01:05:54,760 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: that was a real coup for Jay Leno. Some the

1223
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: most famous films include About a Boy Notting Hill, Love Actually,

1224
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: and Four Weddings in a Funeral. And he was known

1225
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 1: for his nonchalant touch of sarcasm. What was that show

1226
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: I just watched where I was certain Hugh Grant didn't

1227
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: do it? But he did it. It was it was

1228
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: It was a guy Ritchie movie. No, this was the

1229
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: HBO show that was just on the undoing, the undoing.

1230
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: You've got to watch the undoing. He was a Chie movie,

1231
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: a wildly different character than he said. Yeah, you didn't.

1232
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: You barely even recognized him. I just ruined the ending

1233
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: of the undoing, so well, now I don't need to

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01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: see it. So he saved me time. You're good, Laurel.

1235
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: I says like a normal hello, not a like a

1236
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: here's Johnny kind of hello. So this catchphrase was made

1237
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: famous by Jack Nicholson in the film The Shining Jack

1238
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: Nicholson shouted here's Johnny at the burst through a bathroom

1239
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: door with a fireman's acts. This scene is known to

1240
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: be the most frightening scene in movie history, and the

1241
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: crew used sixty doors while filming this scene. Yeah, but

1242
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: where did it's referring to Ed McMahon and the Tonight

1243
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: Show with Johnny Carson. You know that. Oh my god,

1244
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: there's two. Here's Johnny. That's the original one. He's Johnny.

1245
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: Is the context of it? Yeah, that's Doc Severnsen and

1246
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: his orchestra. That are Which one were they referring to?

1247
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: What's the context of the quote? No, No, I think

1248
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: you're right, Riley. I think it was. I think it

1249
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: was maybe the Jack Nicholson one. But the original is

1250
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: Ed McMahon. But yeah, wait, read us the context that

1251
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: we can read us, a context and context oralized clote

1252
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: is like a normal hello, not like a here's Johnny

1253
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of. So I think Scott's right. Think yes, I

1254
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: think Scott's right. And we're not mad at you Riley

1255
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: for this, because we're not mad at We're not mad

1256
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: at you. But I think I think Scott is right

1257
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: that it's not a normal hello, it's a here Johnny.

1258
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was paid millions of dollars per

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Speaker 1: year to say, here's Johnny. Best sidekick in the history

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Speaker 1: of television. Yeah, Riley, you do it. No, you don't know.

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Speaker 1: That was mannk and Crazy do the Ed McMahon. Here's

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Speaker 1: Johnny not bad, here's Johnny. Oh my moving on, lorrel

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Speaker 1: I says, while you're the new Heather. Heathers is in

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Speaker 1: comedy teen film. The film portrays four teenage girls, three

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Speaker 1: of whom are named Heather. Famous actors in the film

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Speaker 1: include Shannon Dougherty, win An Own, a writer, and Christians. Later,

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Speaker 1: they brought the Heathers back in two thousand eighteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't do what It didn't work that the reboot.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay because the o G. Heathers was solid.

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Speaker 1: Rory says Felix, referring to The Odd Couple. Felix is

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Speaker 1: the main character portrayed by Tony Randall in the American

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01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: sitcom TV series The Odd Couple. Felix had PTSD from

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01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: his time as the Navy seal. The character is known

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Speaker 1: to be a neurotic, obsessive, convulsive nut. In two thousand

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 1: and fifteen, The Odd Couple was created as a reboot

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Speaker 1: with Matthew Perry's Oscar and Thomas Lennon as Felix, based

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Speaker 1: on the originals play Broadway smash hit that Neil Simon wrote.

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Speaker 1: And there was nobody, you know, Neil Simon is uh.

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Speaker 1: All comedy writers even working today worship at the altar

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Speaker 1: of Neil Simon. There was nobody that wrote whittier, funnier,

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Speaker 1: more heartbreaking dialogue than Neil Simon, the king of comedy writers.

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Speaker 1: Did knowledge Scott and Well, I mean I I performed

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Speaker 1: him in New York. I studied Neil Simon. Uh. I

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: think he wrote The Out of Towners too, that film

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Speaker 1: that wonderfully hysterically funny film with Jack Lemon, And I

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: mean Neil Simon, Plaza Sweet, all these great great old movies,

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Speaker 1: Walter Walter Math. Now, oh my God, doesn't get better.

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Speaker 1: Neil Simon doesn't get better, Laurel I says, Look, I

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Speaker 1: know it was bad, but this was a vicious hamster.

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Speaker 1: This was like Damian Hamster. So Damien is referring to

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Speaker 1: The Omen, a horror films starring Gregory Peck. There are

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Speaker 1: many incarnations of the Omen. The film's title was changed twice.

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: It was first called The Antichrist and then The birth Mark.

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Speaker 1: They thought production was cursed because of the spooky events

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: that would happen while filming like plane accidents and dog attacks.

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Speaker 1: You know what they they stole that stuff from The Exorcist,

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Speaker 1: which had real issues after, during and after filming. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm an Exorcist guy, right, Damien came after Exorcists, so

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01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: I grew up. My first real movie scare was my

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Speaker 1: mother allowed me to go see The Exorcist by myself

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01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: with my friends in an afternoon matinee and we were

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: green turned green with scared. The one so I was

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: of the Poulter geis Friday the thirteenth era. But the

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Speaker 1: one that really got me sideways recently, not that recently,

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Speaker 1: but like to the point where I couldn't breathe almost

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: how to leave the theater was saw Oh my God

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Speaker 1: original song. Oh but yeah, the Exorcist was messed up

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Speaker 1: on her head spinning. Yeah. But a great film because

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Speaker 1: it was really was a structured it was it was

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Speaker 1: it was the scary. The reason it was so effective

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Speaker 1: is because The Exorcist was based on a relationship between

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Speaker 1: a mother and a daughter and a mother losing her

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Speaker 1: daughter to the devil, and that was heartbreaking and it

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Speaker 1: was scary to watch. So Ellen Burston had this you know,

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Speaker 1: real Bravora performance in that watching her daughter turn into

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Speaker 1: a someone who possessed what what a what a horrifying film?

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Speaker 1: My god. Anyway, it was grounded in Mommy Daughter. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of like Yrmore girls crap out, So our

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Speaker 1: next one was actually referred to in our scene reenactment.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Psycho was on earlier and it was just

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Speaker 1: the first name that came to mind. So Psycho is

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty psychological horror thriller film directed by ALFREDY Hitchcock.

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Speaker 1: Alfred financed the film himself since Paramount was not into

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Speaker 1: the project. There's an iconic shower scene with Janet Lee

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01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: and Psycho was remade in shot for shot. It was

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Speaker 1: also Freddie him Mort played Norman Bates and the TV

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: show Bates Motel, and this was a prequel to Psycho. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the original extraordinary black. I love them all, I love

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Speaker 1: them all, I love bas Hotel. I didn't even mind

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Speaker 1: the Vince von remake. I love it all. I love

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Speaker 1: it on the Universal back Lot Tour total it's so good,

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Speaker 1: so good. The guy runs after you with like a

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Speaker 1: fake knife when you're on the tram. He ever for

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Speaker 1: Bates Motel, and it's always so scary. And you're like,

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01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: I know he's not going to actually stab me, but

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Speaker 1: you still freak out. I love it all. I love it.

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Speaker 1: So the title of our episode, Paris Is Burning, is

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: also a pop culture reference. So Paris Is Burning is

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: a American documentary film based on the dragball culture in

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01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: New York City. The film documents the origins of Vogueing

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: It dance, inspired by model poses inside the covers of

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01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: Vogue magazine. Can we play our game before we do

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: our favorite lines? Because I've been pretty pumped about this

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01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: game the whole show, because I feel like I might

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01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: I might, I might win. I have a chance. What's

1346
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: the game? We don't don't even Warren Scott. Let's just

1347
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: do it. Oh, I know what you're gonna do. Alphabet

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Speaker 1: dog names whatever ye dog names? Alphabet disease dogs they

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: were doing. I know Riley wants to do dog breeds,

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: horns and rainbows, but we need to do what was

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: on Gilmore was diseases. I'm ready for disease. I think

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Speaker 1: you'll go, So it'll go meet Scott, Danielle, Riley and

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Speaker 1: back around arthritis, um arrhythmia. No, you have to be

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: you have to do give you one more try ronchitis, yeah,

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: crowns dementia e oh god, um oh no, how much

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Speaker 1: time you go to me goes to me? And demetriosis? Um,

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: I was prepping te stuff, stalling, stop buying time? Um out? Okay?

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: So is it on me? Riley? Riley bs? I thought

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: Daniel just did she she didn't get anything. You gotta

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01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: do it now? You inherited f s hard fever a fever?

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Speaker 1: Dude sasease? What are you doing? Oh? Nice? Good? Save

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01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: gastritis age? Riley? Riley? We got out? Okay? So this

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01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: is a championship? Can I can I pinch it for Riley?

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: Hunts disease? What's it? What did you say? Hunt? What disease?

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01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: I think it's called Huntington's. It's not Hunts disease. And

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Speaker 1: I'm the winner. I'm the champion. Cannot get it away

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: with Hunts disease. I'm looking up Rain. I think it's

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Speaker 1: Huntington's Huntington's great game, though bad, I got my favorite

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Speaker 1: line ready. Though normally I would do a funny line,

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: but in this one, this is more emotional. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: try and deliver it. Well. Do you have any idea

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: how many people you've hurt. Forget me and my mother.

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: But what about Mr Medina? He likes you, Paris, he

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01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: compliments you, He holds your papers up for everyone to see,

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01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: and then you turn around and do something like this

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01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: to him. What is wrong with you? Forget it? I

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to understand. So good. Mine's also from Rory. Well,

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01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: I take some dance lessons because the way you express

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01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: yourself needs a little work. That was mine, You took mine? Yeah, Riley,

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01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: um mineus from your favorite character of all time, Max

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01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: and so loyal. Lie is describing her past men in

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01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: her life and uh he says, oh, so you have

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: a thing for pirates. Yeah. Um, I guess I have

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: to do a new line now since Danielle took my line. Um,

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be rare. He had some

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01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: great moments on the stairs in the argument with her mother.

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01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: What does she say about help me out here? I

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: don't know, but I have one other sidebar one. Emily

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01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: says kissing a teacher in a classroom on parents Day

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: and Laurel I says, well, they wanted us to get

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01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: more involved in school. Yeah, that's a good one, okay.

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Speaker 1: Scott we have a little bit of exciting news for you.

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: Tell me. Oh my god. And all I'm going to

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01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: say is one word, what Rune r Max Perlack. Oh man.

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01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: The guy's genius. He's funny, he's funny. He was great

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Speaker 1: on set. Guy. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah, run a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes and I think three. I think Max. Yeah,

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: that's a Max. That's so. Everybody watched Double Date. Watched

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Speaker 1: Double Date. We'll do okay, everybody. That's it for uh,

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Speaker 1: Paris is burning. Thanks everybody. This is Scott Patterson and

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Speaker 1: this is the I Am All In Podcast, I Heeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: We will see you soon. Bye ja hey everybody, and

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Speaker 1: don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am all

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