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Speaker 1: wild journey, But the whole thing might not have happened

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, sed me what.

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Speaker 3: I Central America has been transformational because of the politics.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Her arm has got the most beautiful tattoo I have

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Speaker 1: So that's a recording of a live show of the

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Speaker 1: podcast Latino USA. It's hosted by journalist MARIAA. Joss and

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Speaker 1: she's interviewing Salvadorn comedian Marcella Ullo, who has a giant

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Speaker 1: tattoo of Oscar Romero's face on her arm. You should

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Speaker 1: google it. It's fantastic. And it was that tattoo and

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Speaker 2: I first heard about.

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Speaker 1: Her a couple of years ago on Twitter and completely

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Speaker 4: My thing is you know, when you meet people and

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love your outfit. I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, I sit down with Marcella and talk

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Speaker 5: You listen to episode one.

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Speaker 1: You know that Like your tattoo was a big point

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you also for doing this podcast. Literally, the

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Speaker 4: I was fortunate that my parents always brought him up.

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Speaker 4: I actually just found an old paper that I wrote

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Speaker 1: Really nailed it, Like so much of history is the

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Speaker 5: It is a really beautiful tattoo.

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Speaker 5: So when did your parents leave El Salvador? What year?

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Speaker 4: What Yeah, I did not know that that I didn't know. See,

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Speaker 5: It's in episode three. We cover it in episode three.

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Speaker 4: Well, I didn't know that. That is bombshell news to me. God, Modesto.

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Speaker 4: Everybody knows somebody in Minesta. That's what they always say.

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Speaker 4: my god, I want okay, I got to look into this.

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Speaker 1: And that's the crazy thing is that, like there's so

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And I also feel like, I we're so close

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Speaker 1: My conversation with Marcella Aguayo. I really hope that you know,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that was when I saw tweet the other

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Speaker 4: That's why I got the tattoo, because I wanted it

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Speaker 1: In front of a whole group of people in broad daylight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not all governments, Okay, girl, I mean, And we're

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Speaker 4: seeing it now right If it wasn't for TikTok, who

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Speaker 4: to instant sharing like we are. It's a privilege. The

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Speaker 4: Internet is a privilege. And because it's like, imagine if

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Speaker 4: what would happen? Imagine if they hadn't killed him in

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Speaker 4: front of a massive people, Imagine if they had poisoned him,

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Speaker 4: Like there's so many it's so insane to think about.

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Speaker 4: But when it's such an egregious act, a mass in

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Speaker 4: it if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

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Speaker 5: Oh I'm so glad I get to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, this was very cool.

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