WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Browns Thursday 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.960 Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:12.600 Bengals Booth podcast, The Browns Thursday edition, my lame attempt 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.600 to come up with a clever title for the day 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.960 before Black Friday coming up. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.439 joins me to look ahead to Sunday's game against the 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.400 Cleveland Browns, and we'll also discuss some other hot topics, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.520 including what lap thinks the Bengals should have done on 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.920 fourth and three last week with a game on the 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.599 line in Baltimore. I'll have a locker room conversation this 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.199 week with tight End c j Uzama, and in our 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.640 Know the Faux segment, we'll talk to Zack Jackson, who 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.800 covers the Browns for The Athletic and is always a 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.479 great guest on our Bengals radio shows. All of that 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.479 is straight ahead, but first, here is a quick reminder 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.880 that you can have the latest edition of this podcast 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.520 delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.280 on iTunes, Stitcher, or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:07.319 since the Turkey oven bag. So if you're listening to 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.000 this podcast on Thursday morning and plan to cook a 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.679 giant turkey in the oven without the bag. Run to 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.440 the store right now and get one. In my experience, 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.520 the meat is more moist, the turkey cooks faster, and 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.120 perhaps best of all, it makes the clean up a 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.600 million times easier. So enjoy the feast and the football. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.480 The Bengals have six games left, including two against the 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.280 Cleveland Browns. Over the last few years, facing the Browns 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.360 men an easy victory. The Bengals have won the last 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.760 seven meetings, and most of those games have been blowouts. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.040 The closest game was a thirteen point win, and the 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.760 average score in those seven victories was thirty to nine. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.279 The Bengals are only favored by three at home this Sunday, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.760 and it's time to discuss the matchup and much more 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.480 with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap. There are three 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.360 teams in the NFL, the Saints, Rams, and Chiefs, currently 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.079 averaging thirty five or more points per game, and when 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.240 the Rams and Chiefs played each other on Monday Night 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.519 Football this week, the final score is fifty four to 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.840 fifty one. Is that where the NFL is headed? And 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.120 what constitutes a good defense these days? Man, that's a 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:25.120 great question. Damn that game was historic in so many ways. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.640 I mean, the first time a team scored fifty or 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.919 more and lost in NFL history. That tells you what 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.320 the NFL is about in this era. But when you 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.440 look at it, there were three defensive touchdowns. Twenty percent 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.600 of the points were scored by the defense in that 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.440 football game. So that's what defenses have to do in 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.600 this era. The Bengals, you know, did have scored four 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.000 defensive touchdowns, two and one quarter by defensive line more 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.840 instrumental in the victory over the Miami Dolphins. So you 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:54.800 not only have to take it away, you have to 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.760 take it and score. And it's because so many points 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.240 are going up on the board, and you know, guy 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.520 like Aaron Donald has a dominant performance with two sacks, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.160 two forced fumbles, you know, two touchdowns off of those. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.880 But and you look at it, you say, how can 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.880 you say that guy was a great defensive player in 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.560 that kind of a football game. But when it's a 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.840 track meet like that, if you just interrupt the momentum 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.160 somehow with a defensive stop, you know, or a takeaway 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.240 and then if you get a takeaway score combination, you know, 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:30.200 that's what really is necessary. Almost in this ear of 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.640 the National Football League. I mean, it used to be 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.600 defensive coordinators have goals they put up on the board, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.920 and one of them with seventeen points or less, that's 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.320 winning football. That's not the number anymore. That's unrealistic. I 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.760 think it's probably twenty four less lap. A lot of 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.920 Bengals fans had trouble with Cincinnati throwing the ball to 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.920 Cody core on fourth and three at the end of 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.040 the game in Baltimore. I'll give you my opinion, then 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.240 I want yours to me. If he's on the field 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.240 and he's open, throwing to him, it's not a bad decision. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:03:59.680 Hit him right in the hands. He's got to catch 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.320 the ball. I think the bigger question is why has 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.240 he on the field. Would you have been better off 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.520 to have odd and Tate out there? That's my opinion. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.760 How about you? Yeah? I agree that Andy Dalton when 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.920 he looked at the play pre snap, he saw one 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.080 on one coverage. He saw his guy Corps working against Humphrey, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.320 who's a first round pick. Great corner. Humphrey held him. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.680 You have to fight through it. The ball got on 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.960 top of a Corps quicker than he anticipated because he 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.440 was held me out to fight through it. I mean 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.160 you could see the white and the one in his 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.320 sixteen number getting stretched. He fought through it, and by 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.040 the time he got to to find the ball, it 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.600 was a lot closer to him than he thought, and 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.720 it kind of surprised him, I think. But I don't 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.520 give a damn. You gotta catch it. That's an NFL thrill. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.000 That's right on the money. You have to be an 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.039 NFL player and catch that football. He didn't, and you 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.440 know he had. He had another drop this season wide 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.440 open in the middle of football field that you know 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.719 now it starts. Is this problematic? But my opinion, Dan, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.640 I don't care, Cody core untap you should have in 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.640 that situation they had second and three, third and three, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.760 fourth and three. They started the game with Giovanni Bernard 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.800 and Joe Mixon on the field because they're they're best 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.400 offensive players. In that situation, you put your best offensive 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.839 players on the football field. You started the game saying 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.720 mixed in Giovanni Bernard detached them using as the fire 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.240 do it. Then all you need is three yards on 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.680 one of those plays in in my estimation, to have 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.800 one of those guys on the sideline for any of 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.560 those three snaps, and they were on the sideline for 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.480 all of them. I think some mistake did not get 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.719 your best offensive playmakers on the field at a key 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.479 time in the game. At that point, you're trying to 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.279 keep the drive alive. I can see, you know, Andy 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.000 went deep. He tried to get to Zama on second 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.440 down because he thought, this might be my chance to 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.839 take it. I think there's Ross deep on second down. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.560 Then use Zam on third down. And he thought, you know, though, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.520 I know I'm four down, so I'm going to try 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.440 to take my shot, you know, move it and work 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.920 at the clock's working against a little bit. But on 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.400 fourth down, you got to get the first down. So 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.839 if you go that route on second and fourth down, 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.040 you got to get your backs in there, who are 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.120 used to run in those type of routes. They're your 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:20.040 two best get the ball in your best offensive playmaker's hands. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.920 And in my mind, for that football game, the way 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.920 they were down, you know, no aj no Malone, whatever, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.440 those two guys should have been on the field trying 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.120 to get the ball in their hands. Let's talk about 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.080 the Hugh Jackson factor. It's going to be a big 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.000 story this week. How real is the huge advantage if 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.840 there is one? Yeah, to me, I think, you know, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.359 you can gather a lot of information just you know, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.479 taking tape study, film study, and you can get tendencies 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.039 and percentages, and you know, there's so much it information 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.599 now and there's so many you know, different services that 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.120 are analyzing and overanalyzing. The analytics are like off the charts, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.240 so you can dive into all that stuff. We're Hugh 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.360 I think comes a plus is he understands the mindset, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.599 the personality, the mentality of the players and the coaches. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.839 He was just with them. He just got stabbed in 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.559 the back by one of them. Who's the head coach. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.240 You know, the other guy get fired. But you know 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.280 Greg Williams got the head coaching job. And I think 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.160 Greg Williams is a brilliant defensive mind. But I do 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.640 think Hugh, having worked with Greg Williams, will have an 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.920 idea of what he's thinking and how he's thinking and 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.400 things that go along with it. Greg Williams is already 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.440 on record saying we're not going to change all of 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.840 our calls and all of our language because of Hugh Jackson, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.400 and I agree with that. Because I've been in situations 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.680 where a guy comes from in the other team and 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.640 you say, hey, give me some mentel. You know, let 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.000 me let me know the calls. You can you can 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.280 false call, you can handle that so well. I remember 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.960 being in a game where defensive player we made a call, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.040 but it was a dummy call and we didn't do 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.720 what that call dictated based on what the information was 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.400 given to them by the former teammate of ours, and 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.000 they were pissed. I mean, they went up to that player. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.680 So now it's like, hey, if you're going to cheat 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.480 on the test, you know, you better make sure. You know, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.240 you don't want to. Very rarely do you go in 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.040 the game with the answers before the test is given, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.480 you know. So in my mind, the best thing to 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.840 do is line up, read your keys, play defense, line up, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.760 read the configuration, defensively block them. Don't get over sweat 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.400 away with you know, Oh, I'm trying to pick up 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.720 the code. Crack the code. You know, I know the calls. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.240 Don't get hung up on that stuff. I mean, it 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.440 can be a little bit of a factor, but don't 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.480 get it so detailed. And so, you know, a big 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.000 a deal in that football game. But you know, I 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:41.120 do think overall, he knows what bothers Baker Mayfield. He 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.200 coached them. He knows things that could potentially bother him. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.400 You know, he knows the type of things that Greg 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.680 Williams doesn't like to have to defend. I mean, those 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.800 are the things you sat in meetings with the coaches, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.040 you sat in meetings with the players. You're trying to 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.160 develop this young quarterback getting ready to play in the 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:02.040 National Football League. So yeah, that's part of it. The thing, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.680 the thing. Two things in this game though, are interesting 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.880 to me, Dan and this with Baker Mayfield. It's another 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.280 case of this is the first pick of the draft. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.000 Jameis Winston was the first pick of the draft. Didn't 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.120 go well for Jamis Winston. Hopefully it goes as poorly 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.280 Baker Mayfield. But fourteen of the sixteen games they're playing 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.440 against a first round draft pick at quarterback. Fourteen of 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.240 the sixteen games everybody in the division they're playing first 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.120 round picks. Baltimore had three first round picks at quarterback, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.120 two of my Heisman Trophy winners. When in NFL history 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.440 is that ever happened? All three of them first round 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:40.160 picks two Heisman's playing against another Heisman guy, Jamis Winston, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.600 Heisman guy. You know, the only two non first round picks. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.240 Drew Brees first pick of the second round walking into 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.400 the Hall of Fame, and Denver doesn't have a first 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.560 round pick at quarterback, but every other game first round pick. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.160 I think that's pretty interesting. The other thing in this 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:02.040 football game, I can't think of another game where both 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.240 the head coaches are also the defensive coordinators. I mean, 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.520 for different reasons. It's a little bit different twist. You know, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.720 one head coach is relieved the coordinators and interim head coach, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.200 but he's the head coach and he's calling defenses. Marvin Lewis, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.760 let's go with his defensive coordinator. He's the head coach. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.160 He's calling defenses. I can't remember another game in NFL 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.520 history where the head coaches were both calling the defenses 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.240 in the same game. That's very rare. There's a couple 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.679 of rare things, you know, going on in this football game. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.559 For sure. The Browns have had the number one pick 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.520 in the draft each of the last two years. Baker 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.319 Mayfield this year, Myles Garrett last year. Furthermore, they had 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.319 two first round picks this year and three first round 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.600 picks last year. Is all of that young talent starting 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.880 to show. I think it is because John Dorsey, the 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.800 blue collar football guy that worked with Ron Wolf up 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.960 in Green Bay, has running the show. And he was 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.679 the beneficiary, the beneficiary of a lot of cap dollars 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.080 and a lot of raft picks courtesy is Sashy Brown 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.679 and that in company that messed the franchise up. But 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.640 I think they're on the right track. They have a guy, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.840 a football guy that is picking more wisely and soundly 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.920 in terms of his draft picks. And it's going to 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:16.640 be a matter of time. I mean, I think they're 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.000 gonna be They're gonna be something to be reckoned with. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.680 I think Baker Mayfield might end up being a more 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.280 mobile Drew Brees type guy. And when when you look 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.520 at the game against Atlanta, he went seventeen for twenty 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.240 and uh and they ran the ball you know down 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.840 the Atlanta Falcons throats with Chubb. You know another pick, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.480 third round pick, who is you know, he's a violent guy. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.880 He's a hammer. He runs the ball hard. Their offensive line, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.480 the interior of their offensive line played every snap last year. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.319 You know, their linebacker. Two of their linebackers played every 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.199 snap last year. Showburt was a walk on it Wisconsin 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.920 who's now first alternate to the Pro Bowl. Baker Mayfield 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.240 was a walk on at Texas Tech and Oklahoma. So 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.880 they like those kind of guys that are proving themselves 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.800 and are you know, team guys, And that's that's what 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.920 they're trying to build with the character or the football team. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.600 I'm telling you, even going back to college days, don't 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.480 let Baker Mayfield out of the pocket moving to his right. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.600 He throws on the run as well as anybody. You 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.200 have to if you get him out of pocket, you 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.600 have to make him go left, make him reset himself, 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.160 throw back across his body. Do not allow him to 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.199 go to the right and be fluid with that on 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.480 the run thrill that he has. He is coffin neils 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.320 in that area. Sometimes the stats don't add up. The 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.319 Browns are number two in the NFL and forcing turnovers 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.559 with twenty five. Their turnover ratio is plus twelve. There 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.880 are three teams other than the Browns that are plus 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.360 ten or better and they're all in first place, the Rams, 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.280 the Bears, and the Redskins. So why are the Cleveland 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.880 Browns three six and one. That's a great question, Dan. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.360 I mean some of it is look at who they played, 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.560 Like the Bengals. They tied Pittsburgh twenty one twenty one 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.440 in the opener. They lose to New Orleans only allowing 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.840 twenty one points to the New Orleans Saints and lose 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.120 the football game. So they played Pittsburgh, they played New Orleans, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.520 they played Baltimore beat them in overtime. We know what 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.280 kind of team Baltimore is. The team the game that's 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.320 the outlier is Philip Rivers lit them up. I mean, 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.040 you look at the tape of what they did, what 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.480 Greg Williams did to the New Orleans Saints and Drew 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.800 Brees unbelievable. You look at the tape of what he 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.400 did against the LA Charges and how Philip Rivers took 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.960 them apart. It just doesn't compute. It's like, what's the 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.640 secret sauce? How can he be so good against Ben 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.760 Roethlisberger Drew Brees and then the LA Chargers light you up. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.120 The Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat him in over time twenty 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.839 six twenty three because of the way they can throw 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.240 the football. They lose to Pittsburgh on the road, they 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.840 lose to Kansas City get lit up thirty seven twenty one. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.360 So in a lot of cases, it's kind of like 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.400 the Bengals, if they didn't have all those takeaways, they 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.120 were given up half a hundred in a lot of 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.439 those games. The takeaways kept them in games against those 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.960 teams that the Bengals didn't have takeaways against and got toasted. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.439 So I think I think the takeaways made them more respectable, 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.880 you know, in some games. And that's almost what happened 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.680 in Baltimore. I mean, the Bengals go eight quarters against 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.480 the Ravens and don't turn the ball over. They were 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:17.560 plus one. They had they had eight or seven stoppages 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:22.200 of drives by turnover in fourth down stops. Seven drives 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.240 the Ravens had that didn't end the kick. That's why 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.320 they beat them and came close to beating them a 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.400 second time because offensively and defensively on a snap by 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.600 snap basis, they weren't good enough to be in that 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.480 football game against the Baltimore Ravens. Turnovers, you know, and 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.600 stops on fourth down really helped. So sometimes it prevents 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.920 a blowout. Turnovers can say you know, it's not as 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.920 bad as it could have been because you got extra possessions. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:51.440 Final topic. Baker Mayfield the Cleveland browns thirtieth starting quarterback 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.560 since nineteen ninety nine thirty The Bengals have had nine 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.120 during the same time period. But you got to know 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.760 them a little bit when you were still doing Big 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.560 tw games and he was playing at Oklahoma. Yeah, and 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.760 Bob Stoops gave me an assignment. I was doing a 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.960 spring game, his first spring game there as a starter, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.880 and Bob Stoops said, hey, Dave, do me a favor, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.200 will you? Will you? And you're a prep here, you know. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.440 I flew in on Friday or whatever it is Friday 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.880 morning and practices and you know, interact with the players. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.480 And in the spring game Saturday, he said, can you 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.680 try to find somebody that has a negative thing to 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.320 say about Baker Mayfield. I don't care if it's offense, defense, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.160 or special teams. I mean I went all three phases. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.480 I went fifty year, seniors, true freshman, everything in between. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.600 Not one guy had anything negative to say about Baker Mayfield. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.760 And that's the thing about Baker Mayfield. He's got swagger, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.360 but it's controlled swagger. You know, and he backs it 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.760 up and he's got tremendous leadership, and he throws the 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.920 ball straight. I mean, he is accurate. He's just accurate. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.760 You know, Drew Brees as a unicorn with his accuracy. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.080 But Mayfield, I mean, he went seventeen for twenty against 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.720 Atlanta and Chubb ran the ball down their throat. I 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.840 mean this the Cleveland Browns throwing that Atlanta Falcon take. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.240 They're pretty good. Atlanta's not very good, as we know, defensively, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.680 but they handled them. And h Baker Mayfield, he's he's 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.000 a leader of men, There's no question about it. Joe Mixton, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.760 Jordan Evans, those those guys that I talked about, talked 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.320 to for that spring game, they love them. Then they 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.640 love him now. Baker Mayfield is president of everything in 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.480 their minds, you know, and that that that speaks volumes 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.960 about not only the kids tangibles, you know, with the 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.600 accuracy and his football intellecting, but his intangible as his 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.640 leadership and all that sort of thing. He's the real deal. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.440 I think they start they start pretty good. Their pretty 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.600 good gold and we know Dan that the Bengals had 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.760 him number one on their board as a quarterback because 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.280 of his accuracy. In this league, you have to throw 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.160 it straight and you have to have accuracy and anticipation 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.840 and put it in tight windows, not just windows, portholes, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.960 little things. And he can do that, do that. Plus 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.160 he can move, He can get out of trouble. You know, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.560 Lamar Jackson in the pocket, you know, with a little 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.000 quick jackhammer feat you know by in time. Baker Mayfield 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.920 can do that stuff. He has great pockets sense, pocket awareness, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.359 and if that dude gets out a pocket, you better 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.800 make sure he's going to his left when he gets 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.679 out to his right on the run. Gold He throws 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.720 on the run going his right as accurately as well 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.679 as anybody I've seen. So you can't let him do 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:31.040 that to you. Thanks Lap. The Bengals defense is struggling 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.280 to put it mildly next to last in points allowed, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.359 thank you Tampa Bay lasting yards allowed last versus the run, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.280 next to last versus the pass. But as a result, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.800 the Bengals offensive struggles have flown under the radar. Take 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.520 away a thirty seven point outburst against Tampa Bay. Again 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.439 the team that's dead last in points allowed, and the 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.080 Bengals have not scored more than three offensive touchdowns in 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.320 a game since week or in Atlanta, the game where 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.720 Tyler Eifford got hurt. AJ Green's app since in the 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.119 last two games has obviously been a big factor, and 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.919 even though aj didn't practice on Wednesday, it appears likely 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.560 he will be back this week. C j Uzama has 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.160 been dealing with a sore shoulder but has been able 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.880 to play, and I spoke to the Bengals tight end 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.119 this week in the locker room with Bengals tight end 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.840 c j Uzama, what's your Thanksgiving? Like? My Thanksgiving is 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.520 eating all of my grandma's food. She's come up and 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.760 cooked for me the past four years and even in 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.000 college that was the case. So, um, this year, are 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.840 gonna go to Geo's house. Grandma, Mom and Dad are coming. Um, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.400 Mom heats up some some decent stuff, but Grandma's gonna 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.640 be cooking a lot of it. I'm sure Geo's mother 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.000 in law will make a little something too, But yeah, 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.800 it's just Grandma's cooking all the time. Go Grandma, Oh, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.080 go Grandma. She's she's she's the best chefinder. All right, 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.840 let's talk about the Browns this week, coming off of 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.240 Buy like the Ravens were last week. Is that a 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:07.159 disadvantage at this stage of the season, Um, disadvantage for 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.520 you facing a fresher team. Uh. You know, anytime you 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.360 get a week off, that obviously helps you know, Nickson bruises, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.880 and that helps you for our team as well. So yeah, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.679 I mean I think you know, it gives them an 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.240 extra week to prepare for us. It gives them an 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.280 extra week to heal up a little bit and obviously 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.159 game playing a little a lot more um for this 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.159 for this game. But I don't think I see that 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.480 as a disadvantage for us. I think that you know, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.200 obviously they're going to come in and um, a little 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:36.960 fresher maybe, but you know, we're coming off of a 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.679 loss where we're off, so I think that kind of 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.040 fuel fuels our fire a little more. We're trying to 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.439 see Ja Yuzama looking at their defense. They're giving up 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.000 a lot of yards, but they've got twenty five takeaways, 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.000 second best in the NFL. When you watch that on tape, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.480 How are they getting so many takeaways? Well, I think 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.679 one of the things that we kind of discussed today was, um, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.560 they've been in quite a few overtime games and that 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.640 equa to a whole another game that they played. So 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.679 the yards that they're giving up, you know that you 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.439 can factor that into that. You can factor in UM 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.320 that and with the takeaways as well. But you know 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.520 they're flying around the ball. Um. You know, like you said, 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.199 they have a lot of turnovers, they have a lot 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.760 of interceptions, a lot of force bumbles, FuMB of recoveries, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.480 and I think that they're just playing to the whistle. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.399 And you know some people kind of get laxed with 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.080 the ball and UM, whether it's the quarterback and making 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.840 a wrong reed, whether it's the receiver you know, late 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.399 into play just um, you know, kind of giving up 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.560 on a ball, or whether it's running run of thinking 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.840 that he's gonna go down and doesn't. Just just things 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.159