1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast, The Browns Thursday edition, my lame attempt 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: to come up with a clever title for the day 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: before Black Friday coming up. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: joins me to look ahead to Sunday's game against the 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, and we'll also discuss some other hot topics, 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: including what lap thinks the Bengals should have done on 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: fourth and three last week with a game on the 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: line in Baltimore. I'll have a locker room conversation this 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: week with tight End c j Uzama, and in our 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Know the Faux segment, we'll talk to Zack Jackson, who 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: covers the Browns for The Athletic and is always a 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: great guest on our Bengals radio shows. All of that 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: is straight ahead, but first, here is a quick reminder 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: that you can have the latest edition of this podcast 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: on iTunes, Stitcher, or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: since the Turkey oven bag. So if you're listening to 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: this podcast on Thursday morning and plan to cook a 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: giant turkey in the oven without the bag. Run to 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: the store right now and get one. In my experience, 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the meat is more moist, the turkey cooks faster, and 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: perhaps best of all, it makes the clean up a 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: million times easier. So enjoy the feast and the football. 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: The Bengals have six games left, including two against the 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Over the last few years, facing the Browns 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: men an easy victory. The Bengals have won the last 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: seven meetings, and most of those games have been blowouts. 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: The closest game was a thirteen point win, and the 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: average score in those seven victories was thirty to nine. 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 1: The Bengals are only favored by three at home this Sunday, 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: and it's time to discuss the matchup and much more 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap. There are three 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL, the Saints, Rams, and Chiefs, currently 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: averaging thirty five or more points per game, and when 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: the Rams and Chiefs played each other on Monday Night 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: Football this week, the final score is fifty four to 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: fifty one. Is that where the NFL is headed? And 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: what constitutes a good defense these days? Man, that's a 40 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: great question. Damn that game was historic in so many ways. 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the first time a team scored fifty or 42 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: more and lost in NFL history. That tells you what 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: the NFL is about in this era. But when you 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: look at it, there were three defensive touchdowns. Twenty percent 45 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: of the points were scored by the defense in that 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: football game. So that's what defenses have to do in 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: this era. The Bengals, you know, did have scored four 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: defensive touchdowns, two and one quarter by defensive line more 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: instrumental in the victory over the Miami Dolphins. So you 50 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: not only have to take it away, you have to 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: take it and score. And it's because so many points 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: are going up on the board, and you know, guy 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: like Aaron Donald has a dominant performance with two sacks, 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: two forced fumbles, you know, two touchdowns off of those. 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: But and you look at it, you say, how can 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: you say that guy was a great defensive player in 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: that kind of a football game. But when it's a 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: track meet like that, if you just interrupt the momentum 59 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: somehow with a defensive stop, you know, or a takeaway 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: and then if you get a takeaway score combination, you know, 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: that's what really is necessary. Almost in this ear of 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: the National Football League. I mean, it used to be 63 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators have goals they put up on the board, 64 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: and one of them with seventeen points or less, that's 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: winning football. That's not the number anymore. That's unrealistic. I 66 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: think it's probably twenty four less lap. A lot of 67 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Bengals fans had trouble with Cincinnati throwing the ball to 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Cody core on fourth and three at the end of 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: the game in Baltimore. I'll give you my opinion, then 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: I want yours to me. If he's on the field 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: and he's open, throwing to him, it's not a bad decision. 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Hit him right in the hands. He's got to catch 73 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: the ball. I think the bigger question is why has 74 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: he on the field. Would you have been better off 75 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: to have odd and Tate out there? That's my opinion. 76 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: How about you? Yeah? I agree that Andy Dalton when 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: he looked at the play pre snap, he saw one 78 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: on one coverage. He saw his guy Corps working against Humphrey, 79 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: who's a first round pick. Great corner. Humphrey held him. 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: You have to fight through it. The ball got on 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: top of a Corps quicker than he anticipated because he 82 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: was held me out to fight through it. I mean 83 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: you could see the white and the one in his 84 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: sixteen number getting stretched. He fought through it, and by 85 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: the time he got to to find the ball, it 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: was a lot closer to him than he thought, and 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: it kind of surprised him, I think. But I don't 88 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: give a damn. You gotta catch it. That's an NFL thrill. 89 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: That's right on the money. You have to be an 90 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: NFL player and catch that football. He didn't, and you 91 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: know he had. He had another drop this season wide 92 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: open in the middle of football field that you know 93 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: now it starts. Is this problematic? But my opinion, Dan, 94 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't care, Cody core untap you should have in 95 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: that situation they had second and three, third and three, 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: fourth and three. They started the game with Giovanni Bernard 97 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: and Joe Mixon on the field because they're they're best 98 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: offensive players. In that situation, you put your best offensive 99 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: players on the football field. You started the game saying 100 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: mixed in Giovanni Bernard detached them using as the fire 101 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: do it. Then all you need is three yards on 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: one of those plays in in my estimation, to have 103 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: one of those guys on the sideline for any of 104 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: those three snaps, and they were on the sideline for 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: all of them. I think some mistake did not get 106 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: your best offensive playmakers on the field at a key 107 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: time in the game. At that point, you're trying to 108 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: keep the drive alive. I can see, you know, Andy 109 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: went deep. He tried to get to Zama on second 110 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: down because he thought, this might be my chance to 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: take it. I think there's Ross deep on second down. 112 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: Then use Zam on third down. And he thought, you know, though, 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: I know I'm four down, so I'm going to try 114 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: to take my shot, you know, move it and work 115 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: at the clock's working against a little bit. But on 116 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: fourth down, you got to get the first down. So 117 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: if you go that route on second and fourth down, 118 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: you got to get your backs in there, who are 119 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: used to run in those type of routes. They're your 120 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: two best get the ball in your best offensive playmaker's hands. 121 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: And in my mind, for that football game, the way 122 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: they were down, you know, no aj no Malone, whatever, 123 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: those two guys should have been on the field trying 124 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: to get the ball in their hands. Let's talk about 125 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: the Hugh Jackson factor. It's going to be a big 126 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: story this week. How real is the huge advantage if 127 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: there is one? Yeah, to me, I think, you know, 128 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: you can gather a lot of information just you know, 129 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: taking tape study, film study, and you can get tendencies 130 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: and percentages, and you know, there's so much it information 131 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: now and there's so many you know, different services that 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: are analyzing and overanalyzing. The analytics are like off the charts, 133 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: so you can dive into all that stuff. We're Hugh 134 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: I think comes a plus is he understands the mindset, 135 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: the personality, the mentality of the players and the coaches. 136 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: He was just with them. He just got stabbed in 137 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: the back by one of them. Who's the head coach. 138 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: You know, the other guy get fired. But you know 139 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: Greg Williams got the head coaching job. And I think 140 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Greg Williams is a brilliant defensive mind. But I do 141 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: think Hugh, having worked with Greg Williams, will have an 142 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: idea of what he's thinking and how he's thinking and 143 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: things that go along with it. Greg Williams is already 144 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: on record saying we're not going to change all of 145 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: our calls and all of our language because of Hugh Jackson, 146 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: and I agree with that. Because I've been in situations 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: where a guy comes from in the other team and 148 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: you say, hey, give me some mentel. You know, let 149 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: me let me know the calls. You can you can 150 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: false call, you can handle that so well. I remember 151 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: being in a game where defensive player we made a call, 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: but it was a dummy call and we didn't do 153 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: what that call dictated based on what the information was 154 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: given to them by the former teammate of ours, and 155 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: they were pissed. I mean, they went up to that player. 156 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: So now it's like, hey, if you're going to cheat 157 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: on the test, you know, you better make sure. You know, 158 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to. Very rarely do you go in 159 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: the game with the answers before the test is given, 160 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: you know. So in my mind, the best thing to 161 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: do is line up, read your keys, play defense, line up, 162 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: read the configuration, defensively block them. Don't get over sweat 163 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: away with you know, Oh, I'm trying to pick up 164 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: the code. Crack the code. You know, I know the calls. 165 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: Don't get hung up on that stuff. I mean, it 166 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: can be a little bit of a factor, but don't 167 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: get it so detailed. And so, you know, a big 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: a deal in that football game. But you know, I 169 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: do think overall, he knows what bothers Baker Mayfield. He 170 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: coached them. He knows things that could potentially bother him. 171 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: You know, he knows the type of things that Greg 172 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: Williams doesn't like to have to defend. I mean, those 173 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: are the things you sat in meetings with the coaches, 174 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: you sat in meetings with the players. You're trying to 175 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: develop this young quarterback getting ready to play in the 176 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: National Football League. So yeah, that's part of it. The thing, 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: the thing. Two things in this game though, are interesting 178 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: to me, Dan and this with Baker Mayfield. It's another 179 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: case of this is the first pick of the draft. 180 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: Jameis Winston was the first pick of the draft. Didn't 181 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: go well for Jamis Winston. Hopefully it goes as poorly 182 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. But fourteen of the sixteen games they're playing 183 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: against a first round draft pick at quarterback. Fourteen of 184 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: the sixteen games everybody in the division they're playing first 185 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: round picks. Baltimore had three first round picks at quarterback, 186 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: two of my Heisman Trophy winners. When in NFL history 187 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: is that ever happened? All three of them first round 188 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: picks two Heisman's playing against another Heisman guy, Jamis Winston, 189 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: Heisman guy. You know, the only two non first round picks. 190 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Drew Brees first pick of the second round walking into 191 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and Denver doesn't have a first 192 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: round pick at quarterback, but every other game first round pick. 193 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty interesting. The other thing in this 194 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: football game, I can't think of another game where both 195 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: the head coaches are also the defensive coordinators. I mean, 196 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: for different reasons. It's a little bit different twist. You know, 197 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: one head coach is relieved the coordinators and interim head coach, 198 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: but he's the head coach and he's calling defenses. Marvin Lewis, 199 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: let's go with his defensive coordinator. He's the head coach. 200 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: He's calling defenses. I can't remember another game in NFL 201 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: history where the head coaches were both calling the defenses 202 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: in the same game. That's very rare. There's a couple 203 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: of rare things, you know, going on in this football game. 204 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: For sure. The Browns have had the number one pick 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: in the draft each of the last two years. Baker 206 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: Mayfield this year, Myles Garrett last year. Furthermore, they had 207 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: two first round picks this year and three first round 208 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: picks last year. Is all of that young talent starting 209 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to show. I think it is because John Dorsey, the 210 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: blue collar football guy that worked with Ron Wolf up 211 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, has running the show. And he was 212 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: the beneficiary, the beneficiary of a lot of cap dollars 213 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of raft picks courtesy is Sashy Brown 214 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: and that in company that messed the franchise up. But 215 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I think they're on the right track. They have a guy, 216 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: a football guy that is picking more wisely and soundly 217 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: in terms of his draft picks. And it's going to 218 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: be a matter of time. I mean, I think they're 219 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna be They're gonna be something to be reckoned with. 220 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: I think Baker Mayfield might end up being a more 221 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: mobile Drew Brees type guy. And when when you look 222 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: at the game against Atlanta, he went seventeen for twenty 223 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: and uh and they ran the ball you know down 224 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons throats with Chubb. You know another pick, 225 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: third round pick, who is you know, he's a violent guy. 226 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: He's a hammer. He runs the ball hard. Their offensive line, 227 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: the interior of their offensive line played every snap last year. 228 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: You know, their linebacker. Two of their linebackers played every 229 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: snap last year. Showburt was a walk on it Wisconsin 230 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: who's now first alternate to the Pro Bowl. Baker Mayfield 231 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: was a walk on at Texas Tech and Oklahoma. So 232 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: they like those kind of guys that are proving themselves 233 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: and are you know, team guys, And that's that's what 234 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to build with the character or the football team. 235 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, even going back to college days, don't 236 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: let Baker Mayfield out of the pocket moving to his right. 237 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: He throws on the run as well as anybody. You 238 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: have to if you get him out of pocket, you 239 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: have to make him go left, make him reset himself, 240 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: throw back across his body. Do not allow him to 241 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: go to the right and be fluid with that on 242 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: the run thrill that he has. He is coffin neils 243 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: in that area. Sometimes the stats don't add up. The 244 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: Browns are number two in the NFL and forcing turnovers 245 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: with twenty five. Their turnover ratio is plus twelve. There 246 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: are three teams other than the Browns that are plus 247 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: ten or better and they're all in first place, the Rams, 248 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: the Bears, and the Redskins. So why are the Cleveland 249 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Browns three six and one. That's a great question, Dan. 250 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: I mean some of it is look at who they played, 251 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: Like the Bengals. They tied Pittsburgh twenty one twenty one 252 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: in the opener. They lose to New Orleans only allowing 253 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: twenty one points to the New Orleans Saints and lose 254 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: the football game. So they played Pittsburgh, they played New Orleans, 255 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: they played Baltimore beat them in overtime. We know what 256 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: kind of team Baltimore is. The team the game that's 257 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: the outlier is Philip Rivers lit them up. I mean, 258 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: you look at the tape of what they did, what 259 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Greg Williams did to the New Orleans Saints and Drew 260 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: Brees unbelievable. You look at the tape of what he 261 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: did against the LA Charges and how Philip Rivers took 262 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: them apart. It just doesn't compute. It's like, what's the 263 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: secret sauce? How can he be so good against Ben 264 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger Drew Brees and then the LA Chargers light you up. 265 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat him in over time twenty 266 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: six twenty three because of the way they can throw 267 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: the football. They lose to Pittsburgh on the road, they 268 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: lose to Kansas City get lit up thirty seven twenty one. 269 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: So in a lot of cases, it's kind of like 270 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: the Bengals, if they didn't have all those takeaways, they 271 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: were given up half a hundred in a lot of 272 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: those games. The takeaways kept them in games against those 273 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: teams that the Bengals didn't have takeaways against and got toasted. 274 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: So I think I think the takeaways made them more respectable, 275 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, in some games. And that's almost what happened 276 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I mean, the Bengals go eight quarters against 277 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens and don't turn the ball over. They were 278 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: plus one. They had they had eight or seven stoppages 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: of drives by turnover in fourth down stops. Seven drives 280 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens had that didn't end the kick. That's why 281 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: they beat them and came close to beating them a 282 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: second time because offensively and defensively on a snap by 283 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: snap basis, they weren't good enough to be in that 284 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: football game against the Baltimore Ravens. Turnovers, you know, and 285 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: stops on fourth down really helped. So sometimes it prevents 286 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: a blowout. Turnovers can say you know, it's not as 287 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: bad as it could have been because you got extra possessions. 288 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: Final topic. Baker Mayfield the Cleveland browns thirtieth starting quarterback 289 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety nine thirty The Bengals have had nine 290 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: during the same time period. But you got to know 291 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: them a little bit when you were still doing Big 292 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: tw games and he was playing at Oklahoma. Yeah, and 293 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: Bob Stoops gave me an assignment. I was doing a 294 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: spring game, his first spring game there as a starter, 295 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: and Bob Stoops said, hey, Dave, do me a favor, 296 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: will you? Will you? And you're a prep here, you know. 297 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: I flew in on Friday or whatever it is Friday 298 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: morning and practices and you know, interact with the players. 299 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: And in the spring game Saturday, he said, can you 300 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: try to find somebody that has a negative thing to 301 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: say about Baker Mayfield. I don't care if it's offense, defense, 302 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: or special teams. I mean I went all three phases. 303 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: I went fifty year, seniors, true freshman, everything in between. 304 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: Not one guy had anything negative to say about Baker Mayfield. 305 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: And that's the thing about Baker Mayfield. He's got swagger, 306 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: but it's controlled swagger. You know, and he backs it 307 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: up and he's got tremendous leadership, and he throws the 308 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: ball straight. I mean, he is accurate. He's just accurate. 309 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: You know, Drew Brees as a unicorn with his accuracy. 310 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: But Mayfield, I mean, he went seventeen for twenty against 311 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta and Chubb ran the ball down their throat. I 312 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: mean this the Cleveland Browns throwing that Atlanta Falcon take. 313 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: They're pretty good. Atlanta's not very good, as we know, defensively, 314 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: but they handled them. And h Baker Mayfield, he's he's 315 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: a leader of men, There's no question about it. Joe Mixton, 316 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: Jordan Evans, those those guys that I talked about, talked 317 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: to for that spring game, they love them. Then they 318 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: love him now. Baker Mayfield is president of everything in 319 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: their minds, you know, and that that that speaks volumes 320 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: about not only the kids tangibles, you know, with the 321 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: accuracy and his football intellecting, but his intangible as his 322 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: leadership and all that sort of thing. He's the real deal. 323 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: I think they start they start pretty good. Their pretty 324 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: good gold and we know Dan that the Bengals had 325 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: him number one on their board as a quarterback because 326 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: of his accuracy. In this league, you have to throw 327 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: it straight and you have to have accuracy and anticipation 328 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: and put it in tight windows, not just windows, portholes, 329 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: little things. And he can do that, do that. Plus 330 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: he can move, He can get out of trouble. You know, 331 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in the pocket, you know, with a little 332 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: quick jackhammer feat you know by in time. Baker Mayfield 333 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: can do that stuff. He has great pockets sense, pocket awareness, 334 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: and if that dude gets out a pocket, you better 335 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: make sure he's going to his left when he gets 336 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: out to his right on the run. Gold He throws 337 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: on the run going his right as accurately as well 338 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: as anybody I've seen. So you can't let him do 339 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: that to you. Thanks Lap. The Bengals defense is struggling 340 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: to put it mildly next to last in points allowed, 341 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: thank you Tampa Bay lasting yards allowed last versus the run, 342 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: next to last versus the pass. But as a result, 343 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals offensive struggles have flown under the radar. Take 344 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: away a thirty seven point outburst against Tampa Bay. Again 345 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: the team that's dead last in points allowed, and the 346 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: Bengals have not scored more than three offensive touchdowns in 347 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: a game since week or in Atlanta, the game where 348 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: Tyler Eifford got hurt. AJ Green's app since in the 349 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: last two games has obviously been a big factor, and 350 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: even though aj didn't practice on Wednesday, it appears likely 351 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: he will be back this week. C j Uzama has 352 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: been dealing with a sore shoulder but has been able 353 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: to play, and I spoke to the Bengals tight end 354 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: this week in the locker room with Bengals tight end 355 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: c j Uzama, what's your Thanksgiving? Like? My Thanksgiving is 356 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: eating all of my grandma's food. She's come up and 357 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: cooked for me the past four years and even in 358 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: college that was the case. So, um, this year, are 359 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: gonna go to Geo's house. Grandma, Mom and Dad are coming. Um, 360 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Mom heats up some some decent stuff, but Grandma's gonna 361 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: be cooking a lot of it. I'm sure Geo's mother 362 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: in law will make a little something too, But yeah, 363 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: it's just Grandma's cooking all the time. Go Grandma, Oh, 364 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: go Grandma. She's she's she's the best chefinder. All right, 365 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about the Browns this week, coming off of 366 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Buy like the Ravens were last week. Is that a 367 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: disadvantage at this stage of the season, Um, disadvantage for 368 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: you facing a fresher team. Uh. You know, anytime you 369 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: get a week off, that obviously helps you know, Nickson bruises, 370 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: and that helps you for our team as well. So yeah, 371 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: I mean I think you know, it gives them an 372 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: extra week to prepare for us. It gives them an 373 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: extra week to heal up a little bit and obviously 374 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: game playing a little a lot more um for this 375 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: for this game. But I don't think I see that 376 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: as a disadvantage for us. I think that you know, 377 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: obviously they're going to come in and um, a little 378 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: fresher maybe, but you know, we're coming off of a 379 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: loss where we're off, so I think that kind of 380 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: fuel fuels our fire a little more. We're trying to 381 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: see Ja Yuzama looking at their defense. They're giving up 382 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of yards, but they've got twenty five takeaways, 383 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: second best in the NFL. When you watch that on tape, 384 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: How are they getting so many takeaways? Well, I think 385 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: one of the things that we kind of discussed today was, um, 386 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: they've been in quite a few overtime games and that 387 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: equa to a whole another game that they played. So 388 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: the yards that they're giving up, you know that you 389 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: can factor that into that. You can factor in UM 390 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: that and with the takeaways as well. But you know 391 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: they're flying around the ball. Um. You know, like you said, 392 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: they have a lot of turnovers, they have a lot 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: of interceptions, a lot of force bumbles, FuMB of recoveries, 394 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: and I think that they're just playing to the whistle. 395 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: And you know some people kind of get laxed with 396 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: the ball and UM, whether it's the quarterback and making 397 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: a wrong reed, whether it's the receiver you know, late 398 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: into play just um, you know, kind of giving up 399 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: on a ball, or whether it's running run of thinking 400 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: that he's gonna go down and doesn't. Just just things 401 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: like that. So we're gonna have to make sure that 402 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: we played at the whistle, play hard. UM. I mean, 403 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: they fly after the ball. That's one thing that you 404 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: can tell about their defense is um, you know, all 405 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: all of them players, where's a defense attack or running 406 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: twenty yards down field, they're all trying to get after 407 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: the ball. Last year, Jabrol Peppers, their free safety played 408 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: so deep and sometimes you wouldn't even see him on 409 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: the screen. Are they still doing a lot of that? Yeah, 410 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're mixing in certain certain things 411 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: like that. They it's the same, you know, same concepts, um. 412 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: And obviously we're expecting them to change up, um some 413 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: things because you know, we have few here and I'm 414 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: sure some of the calls and some of the things 415 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: that they have planned. And again that's where this extra 416 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: week helps them. UM. But yeah, I mean there are 417 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: certain certain players where you look back and you're like, yeah, ten, 418 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: and then you see the back of you and you're like, oh, no, 419 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: he's he's He's back there somewhere. So the Hugh factor 420 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: is real, I think for both teams. I mean for us, 421 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we want to win it fo you you know, Um, 422 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: he was here when I was here, and I have 423 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: a massive amount of respect for him, and UM, you know, 424 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my best to to win this for 425 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, not not only the organization and for our season, 426 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: but for for him. So um. And obviously you know 427 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: they want to they want to beat their former coach. 428 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it's it kind of 429 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: holds you for for both sides, Um, both teams. Last 430 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: thing for c j Uzama. You've gone from four and 431 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: one to five and five, but they're five teams in 432 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: the AFC tied at five and five, fighting for that 433 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: final playoff spot. What is the mindset in this room 434 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: right now? Mindset is to go, I want to know 435 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: this week and you know, UM, we know that we 436 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: control our own destiny. We know that. UM. Personally, for me, 437 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: I know that we have the opportunity to you know, 438 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: go eleven and five and you have to start with 439 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: this week and you have to go one to know 440 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: this week, and you can't overlook any opponent. And UM, 441 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: I think the mindset is we got to come out 442 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: here and we have to assert ourselves offensively. I mean 443 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: I can't obviously I can't speak for the defense because 444 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: I've fended a bunch of the offensive meetings, but UM, 445 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: I know that we we've got to We've got to 446 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: do better. We've we've got to put points on the board. 447 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: The way this league is going. I mean, you guys 448 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: watch the Money Night game. It's it's ridiculous how many 449 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: points can be scored at anytime. So we know that 450 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: as an offense, we have to step up and and 451 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, we can't put our our defense in certain 452 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, situations, and we have to be able to 453 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: move the ball on score um at will like we 454 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: know we're able to. That's the bluck this week and 455 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: joy Gramma's cookie. Thank you appreciate it. C J ranks 456 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: fourth on the Bengals in receptions with twenty four, including 457 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: a pair of touchdowns. Now time for this week's Know 458 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: the Faux segment. Zack Jackson covers the Browns for The 459 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: Athletic and joined Dave Lappam and me on the Bengals 460 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: Game Plan Show. I started our conversation with what seemed 461 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: like an odd question, considering that the Browns only have 462 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: four wins in the last three years, but after studying 463 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: Cleveland's roster, I asked Zach if the Browns have a 464 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: glaring weakness. I think in the secondary they're still pretty 465 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: vulnerable to the past. A lot of teams are you 466 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: guys know the feeling right, But the Browns arrows pointing 467 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: up and they're much better now that we know how 468 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: low the bar was. You mentioned the recent history, but 469 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: the roster is better, the vibe is better, and you 470 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: look at the future, you see a bunch of guys 471 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty five who seem to be pretty good. 472 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: They're all under contract, They're going to have more good 473 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: draft picks, they're going to have more salary cap space. 474 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: And if they finally have their quarterback and if Myles 475 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: Garrett and denzil Ward are even close to as good 476 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: as we think they can be, Yeah, and the Browns 477 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: are definitely set up finally maybe for a good future. 478 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Um, Greg Williams did a conference 479 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: call whether US this morning, and I know, I know 480 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: many times up there in Cleveland he's talked about, Um, 481 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: he's a lifer, he's a football lifer, and he's talked 482 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: about his coaching tree and it's bigger than the all outdoors. 483 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: There's not a player or a coach in the NFL 484 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: he hasn't coached or played with, you know, played with 485 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: or coached with. He's a funny guy that way. But 486 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, obviously you hear the confidence, but you hear 487 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: the pride too. I mean, this guy he's all about football, 488 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: isn't he. I laughed, Dave, because about five miles from 489 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: my house and Akron, there's a John Heisman statue and 490 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: I say he coached with Greg too. Give listen to Greg. Yeah, no, um. 491 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: He was obvious early on in the season that having 492 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: this defense in a second year under Greg, they were 493 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: to take a leap, and I think a lot of 494 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: guys have been better than most thought. But giving him 495 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: the chance to stick around has been a huge deal. 496 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: And then when you know, with everything that went on, 497 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: he becomes the interim coach, and guys have responded to him, 498 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not sure he's a real candidate 499 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: for the job, but we don't know what's going to 500 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: happen in the next six weeks. I don't know what's 501 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: going to happen in the next four quarters. But Greg 502 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: has in his group have outperformed just about every expectation 503 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: to this point. And whoever that new coach is, I 504 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: think is going to have to take a long look 505 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: trying to keep Greg because guys are obviously playing for him, 506 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: and they've built some guys who are fit for his system. 507 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: We are talking to Zach Jackson, who covers the Browns 508 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: for the Athletic. Let's talk about Baker Mayfield. What does 509 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: he do well at this stage of his career and 510 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: where is he still a work in progress? Well? He's 511 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: super accurate. I think the most important encouraging thing for 512 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: the Browns is that Baker has been everything they advertised 513 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: him to be from accuracy, charisma, Guys play for him, 514 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: he does the extra work. He does all of those things, 515 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: so you know, teams can take away his passing lanes 516 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: because the height is an issue, and you know the 517 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: offense has changed, there's a different play caller. The receiving 518 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: corps has been up and down, mostly down. They traded 519 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: their running back at mid season. All of that, they've 520 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: had different guys to play left tackle. So you can 521 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: get to Baker by keeping him in the pocket, and 522 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: he's got a long way to go, just because like 523 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: anybody does, it's on their ninth start in the NFL. 524 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: But I think the Browns are super encouraged because they 525 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: see the traits that they believe that he has. I mean, 526 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: he's he's a rocket too, so when you let him 527 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: out of the pocket, he is extremely accurate, and when 528 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: he has time to see in the seal, he is 529 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: not afraid to throw it to anybody or challenge anybody. 530 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: He's shown that. Yeah, there's no doubt. I did a 531 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: couple of his games when he's in college, and even 532 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: in college when he got out of the pocket, going 533 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: to his right deadly now to his left in it, 534 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, he's right here and a guy so left 535 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: is a little more difficult for everybody. But he is 536 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: so good thrown on the run to his right, I 537 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: mean as good as I've seen in terms of accuracy 538 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: and velocity and all that. So you cannot let him 539 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: escape to his right. But let me ask you about 540 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: this big, big deal here in Cincinnati. Everybody's reacting. He 541 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: was asked about you know, Hugh knows so much about 542 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: the offense, kind of I'm paraphrasing here, knows so much 543 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: about is that going to be an issue for the 544 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: football game on side? He said no, and he was 545 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: a follow up quest He is, no, I mean no, 546 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: were you there? Did you see? You know? All we 547 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: see is the written word. What was his overall reaction? 548 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: What did he look like? Was he being started? What 549 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: was there any humor involved? Was it? What was the delivery? 550 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: What was it all about? He was being baker. He 551 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: is built for this, and he dictates the media interviews. 552 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: So he was trying to say, stop asking me the 553 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: same question five different ways. But he was also trying 554 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: to say, we have no fear and guys gravitate today. 555 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think he is the guy that when 556 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: he's on your team, you love him, and when he's 557 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: not on your team, you can't wait to see your 558 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: team pounding. I think he's always been that way. I 559 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: think the chip on his shoulder has helped carry him 560 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: this far. And I you know, he just this is 561 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: his makeup. I think guys have to be genuine as 562 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: the challenges get bigger, and this is what he is. 563 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: He's an overcomer, He's an overachiever. So I don't know 564 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: what his stealing is. I don't know what the Browns 565 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: can do to put better people around him, but man, 566 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: all things considered, it'd be hard to give him anything 567 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: but an A for the work that he's done this far. 568 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't even let him practice with the 569 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: number ones in training camp. Six weeks of training camp. 570 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: The only time he played with the number ones was 571 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: an emergency situation in a preseason game. And he comes 572 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: in in the second quarter of a game that they're 573 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: getting killed and he just does this, and then the 574 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: next week they score thirty five or thirty eight. And 575 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean so it hasn't all been great, and it 576 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: won't be for any rookie, but he has been like 577 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: every challenge he's been up for, and he's had two games, 578 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: two and a half games where you're like, wow, like, 579 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: this guy is already a really good quarterback. There's no 580 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: doubt he has a chip on his shoulder as big 581 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: as a two by four. There's no time about that. 582 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: Do you think the fact that Hugh made that decision 583 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: not to even let him practice with the number ones 584 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: all through training camp? Do you think there was a 585 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: little bit but not ill feeling, but do you think 586 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of come on, coach, you 587 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: know what's up. What was the relationship like with Baker 588 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: and you through that? Yeah? I definitely think there was. 589 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he struggled in the spring because that's what 590 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: rookies do, right. Their lives changed, the playbooks change, everything's 591 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: thrown at him, and he came to camp and all 592 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden it was like, hey, Baker's looking like himself. Now, 593 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Baker's got a little swagger tune. Chance didn't come there, 594 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: So you know, David, I can't speak specifically on what 595 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: it was, but obviously there was Hailey versus Hugh Right, 596 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: there was Josh Gordon, there was Tyrod Baker. There was 597 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: all of this going on, which had been so brown 598 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, so there were riffs, there were conflicts, but 599 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: when he started playing, like I said, he looked like 600 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: he had been doing forever and like he had had 601 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: every opportunity. And it has continued that West of the 602 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: last game was his best game, and we'll see where 603 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: he goes from there. We are talking to Zack Jackson, 604 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: who covers the Browns for The Athletic. You can follow 605 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: him on Twitter at Akron Jackson. I want to follow 606 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: up on Hugh Jackson. How do the Browns players in 607 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: general feel about Hugh. You know, people here have made 608 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: a big deal that there wasn't much social media reaction 609 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: when he was fired, But I don't think that he 610 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: lost the locker room. I think guys respected him. I 611 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: think what happened more than anything was that it just 612 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: went bad and that he shouldn't have come back for 613 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: this year. And I just think John Dorsey finally said 614 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: to the has one, we have eight games left and 615 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: we have such a young team that we need to 616 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: make this change now because these games are so important 617 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: for evaluating these guys in terms of how we can 618 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: compete going forward and what is best for these guys 619 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: going forward. You know, there were putting day there were 620 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: thirty one new players on this team from last year. 621 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of guys never even knew 622 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson, right, some of them been here two weeks 623 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: or two months, something like that. But I just think 624 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: it was time for the Browns to say, Okay, we 625 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: finally are building a core. We know this isn't going 626 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: to work for myriad reasons, so let's just cut it 627 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: off now, get evaluations out of these guys and go 628 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: forward starting a gene. Greg Williams could not been more 629 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: effusive in his praise of Joe Schaulburn said, maybe the 630 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: smartest linebacker, smartest defensive player he's ever been around. He's 631 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: been around a lot of players, just ask him, and 632 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: he's coached a ton of guys. So I'm looking at 633 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: the leader of the offense, Baker Mayfield, walk on Texas Tech, 634 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: walk on Oklahoma. Joe Schulberg sounds like the leader of 635 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: the defense walk on at Wisconsin. Kind of blue collar, 636 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, really earning it is the Cleveland organization. Is 637 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: that what they want to portray the image of It 638 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how these guys got here, it's why they're 639 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: doing once they get here. I absolutely think so, Dave. 640 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: And when you watch the Browns, whether you or a 641 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: football lifer like you and Greg, it is obvious City 642 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: defense is committedly different when Joe in the field and 643 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: when he's not. He paid every snap and twenty one 644 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: straight games before he got hurt, and they're still susceptible 645 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: to the big play. You know, some of that is 646 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: greg gambling nature, but when Joe wasn't in there, they 647 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: were a lot more susceptible to the big play. He 648 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: just is so smart and covers so much ground and 649 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: is so athletic. You know, he's only about two hundred 650 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds playing middle linebacker. I think that's 651 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: today's NFL, but it allows you know, he stays away 652 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: from the big guys and he covers a lot of 653 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: ground in a hurry, and that makes him a really 654 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: important past defender and a guy who can make up 655 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: grounds when they ground when they do get fooled on 656 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: a screen or something like that. 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