WEBVTT - Lara Olsen Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>So if I am, If my wife and I are

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<v Speaker 1>in for the night and it's time to like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna watch a movie or whatever, we typically

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<v Speaker 1>uh change into comfy pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, everyone about that who doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I this is only about this is like once

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<v Speaker 1>a week for me. I'm not. I don't even take

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<v Speaker 1>off my boots. How I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I keep my teens on and then yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But so the other night, I was like, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a comfy pants night. And I went in my drawer

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<v Speaker 1>and I pulled out my app prey board.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, okay, explain you explained you started a coy

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<v Speaker 4>maybe a dozen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, it was in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 4>It was early two thousand because Greg and I have

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<v Speaker 4>to live with my brother here. Yes, my brother Greg

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<v Speaker 4>spent some time in Thailand and he found these Thai

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<v Speaker 4>fishermen pants, right, which are these big like yoga e

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<v Speaker 4>com sie. You pull them up they are three times

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<v Speaker 4>your size. Then you fold them over and tie them

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<v Speaker 4>off and pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically they're so baggy and yes, they're amazing, And.

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<v Speaker 4>We did and we started this company called apprey Board Pants.

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<v Speaker 4>We had about four or five hundred pairs. Explain the

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<v Speaker 4>name oh, so Apprey But you know, so Greg was

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<v Speaker 4>always a bit big into like skiing and surfing and snowboarding.

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<v Speaker 4>So after you would ski, you would you would relax

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<v Speaker 4>and party, and it was called appray ski, Whereas like

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<v Speaker 4>you would go to the bar, you would take off

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<v Speaker 4>your ski trunk, so he wanted to call it Appray board.

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<v Speaker 1>It was after your.

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<v Speaker 4>Boarding, you get to throw on these awesome pants. And

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<v Speaker 4>so we made this company. And this is like all

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<v Speaker 4>pre social media, so we had no real way to

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<v Speaker 4>promote it, but we we you know, built the company.

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<v Speaker 4>We made up catalogs, We had a catalog shoot. I

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<v Speaker 4>think Shiloh's in them at one point in the catalog shoot.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I still have like three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 4>bears left.

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<v Speaker 1>They are so well designed because I have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from when I went to Thailand. I have like a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of purple Thai Fishermen pants which are just basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a giant piece of fabric and you tie it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you guys had like really nice thin fabric that's

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<v Speaker 1>super soft and huge pockets. Yes, I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>I can put books in here. It was perfect.

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<v Speaker 5>This is gonna weigh down the pants that you can Daniel,

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<v Speaker 5>did you gave me a pair? I didn't have a

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<v Speaker 5>pair in the early ots, but you have recently given

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<v Speaker 5>me a pair. Uh, and I love them, But I

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<v Speaker 5>really think you we need to put three hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>fifty pairs of those on Pod meets World Show.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably go pretty quickly. Actually, I mean they're.

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<v Speaker 5>Comfortable, they have a piece. They'd have a piece of

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<v Speaker 5>your past history writer Rider and I are only expecting

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<v Speaker 5>our two thirds cuts. No, but seriously, like you, there's

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<v Speaker 5>no people. They're great pants, They're super comfortable. You made

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<v Speaker 5>them in pretty colors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, there was.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what was funny is my girlfriend at

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<v Speaker 4>the time was Jen Morrison, who went on to then

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<v Speaker 4>Starr in Once upon a Time and all these big shows,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was like, I'll be in your catalog.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like she's the catalog model.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a copy of the catalog? I think

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<v Speaker 2>I have eight thousand, okay of the mook.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we shouldn't change like we should the business, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you buy a pair of the pants, you

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<v Speaker 1>also get a catalog.

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<v Speaker 6>Or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like Shiloh, my brother Greg's in them.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember Shiloh is in it?

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<v Speaker 4>My trainer at the time, Scott Dolea is all like,

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<v Speaker 4>we all went to the beach and did this big.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know who else is in them? Darcy, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it is it's Shiloh and guys, I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to put this on. We need to put

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<v Speaker 2>these up.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, if I told Susan that we were

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<v Speaker 4>getting rid of the oppery board, I think she'd want

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<v Speaker 4>to renew our vows. Like, yeah, they are all perfectly

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<v Speaker 4>still packaged and ready to ship. We've got all of

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<v Speaker 4>them folded and tagged. They're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we have them in sizes from small to

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<v Speaker 1>very small.

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<v Speaker 2>They're two hundred and fifty dollars each. You can get

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<v Speaker 2>yours now it's a world show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so funny. I'm going to need a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a pair to cover the actual cut.

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<v Speaker 2>That So yeah, no, we got your still got a bunch.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, if you'd like to sell them, they're there,

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<v Speaker 3>so we got we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have the inventory.

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<v Speaker 6>Doble.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you liked them. That's good. That's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I am the creepy guy, by the way, who will

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<v Speaker 4>lie on my bed watching TV with my jeans and

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<v Speaker 4>my socks and I've been walking around you guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't you feel like the germs of the outside are

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<v Speaker 5>on your clothes and like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I feel like if I'm like not wearing

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and socks, I feel like I'm not ready to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with life. It's like it's too and.

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<v Speaker 5>You've got to be ready to deal with life at

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<v Speaker 5>all times.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>We run outside, yeah, sure, okay, but like you could

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<v Speaker 5>still go outside in your appery board pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 5>I am an immediate almost an immediate come when I

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<v Speaker 5>know I don't have to go out anymore, even if

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<v Speaker 5>that's say three pm, if both my kids are home

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<v Speaker 5>from school and we don't have plans to have to

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<v Speaker 5>go to softball but you know, baseball practice or karate

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<v Speaker 5>or something like that. I am an immediate out of

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<v Speaker 5>my outdoor clothes into my indoor closed person. I've only

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<v Speaker 5>recently had to start wearing shoes inside because we have

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<v Speaker 5>hardwood floors in the entirety of our house and I

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<v Speaker 5>developed metal sargia, which is the sargia it's a pain

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<v Speaker 5>in the ball of my foot, and not just necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>in the ball but in any of that part under

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<v Speaker 5>your toes, that that foot pad under your toes.

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<v Speaker 1>See, being barefoot is a really big problem. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>have to update your wiki feet now?

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<v Speaker 2>I do? I have to have hit your wiki feet.

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<v Speaker 7>You know what?

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm thinking of getting is those naked feet,

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<v Speaker 5>those shoes that look like feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my friend has those and we're not friends anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, That's what I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>No one will want to be just for my indoor shoes.

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<v Speaker 5>I have indoor shoes and outdoor shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have plantar fasci itis, but in the.

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<v Speaker 5>Feet of your foot, correct, correct, And so from walking

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<v Speaker 5>around barefoot and hardwood floors for too much. I was

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<v Speaker 5>like reading all about it, like, well, what am I

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<v Speaker 5>going to do about this? And the number one cure

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<v Speaker 5>was icing and wearing shoes, and so I care.

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<v Speaker 3>Never McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 4>It's never McDonald's for donuts, right, exactly, never donuts.

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<v Speaker 1>No, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, you went to McDonald's the other day,

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<v Speaker 4>is the chicken Big maca officially out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yet I didn't know. I didn't see that. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not see that on the menu. It wasn't there, Jensen said,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't there. So welcome to pod meets World.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Daniel Fisher, I'm Writer Strong, and I'm Wilford.

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<v Speaker 5>When the name Lara Olsen appeared on the schedule for

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<v Speaker 5>Podmets World, we quickly message Jensen, asking who the heck

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<v Speaker 5>is this guest. Is it some obscure rapper he's trying

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<v Speaker 5>to sneak onto the podcast. Is it a background actor

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<v Speaker 5>who stood by the blood Drive sign once and looked

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<v Speaker 5>directly into the camera. No, it was actually writer Laura Runnels,

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<v Speaker 5>Proving that we aren't the only ones who've grown up

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<v Speaker 5>over the past thirty years. Some of our co workers

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<v Speaker 5>also got married. Laura Runnels now Olsen join the writer's

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<v Speaker 5>room for season five, alongside her writing partner Patricia Carr

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<v Speaker 5>and Dove headfirst into the show with their names attached

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<v Speaker 5>to three important scripts from that season, The Sabrina the

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<v Speaker 5>Teenage Witch, time Traveling tie in Noguts No Cory, the

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<v Speaker 5>Ski Lodge Nightmare for Tapanga, Heartbreak Corey easily one of

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<v Speaker 5>the most discussed episodes of all time, and finally they

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<v Speaker 5>got the teleplay credit for First Girlfriend's Club, the almost

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<v Speaker 5>revenge Murder of Sean in a Scary Boatouse.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, their impact.

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<v Speaker 5>Was felt immediately Laura would stay with Boy Meets World,

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<v Speaker 5>an early stop on her impressive resume, through season seven,

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<v Speaker 5>and after the finale, she would go on to work

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<v Speaker 5>as a writer, producer, and showrunner on hit after hit,

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<v Speaker 5>from Riba to Private Practice to Life Unexpected to even

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<v Speaker 5>Kim Possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, yes, I didn't know that cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Finding a gap on her IMDb page is about as

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<v Speaker 5>difficult as finding a casino I haven't been to. And

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<v Speaker 5>now she is working in a whole new nostalgia, tasked

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<v Speaker 5>with rebooting Baywatch for a new generation, something we will

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<v Speaker 5>definitely ask her about, and now with a whole new name.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the podcast, writer Laara Olsen.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome. So good to see you. Good to see you

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<v Speaker 2>guys too.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, I feel like we are on set again.

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<v Speaker 5>You haven't changed a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I know well, you guys.

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<v Speaker 10>I watched those three episodes you guys wanted me to watch,

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<v Speaker 10>and I was same to you, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, my god, they look it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good to see you.

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<v Speaker 5>And before we jump into talking about Boy Meets World,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to talk a little bit about the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that your resume looks like you worked exclusively in cartoons

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<v Speaker 5>before you got to us Extreme, Ghostbusters, Jumanji, Cat Dog.

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<v Speaker 5>How did you break into that side of the business

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<v Speaker 5>as a new writer.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I just got an assistant job, so I like,

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<v Speaker 10>I needed I needed to pay my bills. Somebody said, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>this animation thing, this guy needs an assistant at Sony,

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<v Speaker 10>so I got a job working there. They were like,

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<v Speaker 10>why do you want to work here? Because I had

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<v Speaker 10>I have an MFA from UCLA and playwriting, and I

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<v Speaker 10>was like, I need to pay my bills. So They're

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<v Speaker 10>like okay. But my boss there was very open to

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<v Speaker 10>I was just like, can I come sit in the

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<v Speaker 10>room when you guys are talking? Could I take a

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<v Speaker 10>stab at that seat? So I was just like volunteering

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<v Speaker 10>to do that all the time. And then he was

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<v Speaker 10>really supportive of me and Patty as well. So we

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<v Speaker 10>got like, do you guys want to do an episode?

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<v Speaker 10>And we got put with somebody not of Jumanji, but

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<v Speaker 10>initially this other guy who was really annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so Patty was also working at Sony.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I was, but Patty and I were working together.

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<v Speaker 10>We had done one other job before that, which was

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know, you guys probably don't remember this, but

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<v Speaker 10>there was a USA up all night. Yeah, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>I forgot who the actress was. But she did these

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<v Speaker 10>little wrap arounds of late night movies on us.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember this. I do remember this.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And so we wrote some of those and got

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<v Speaker 10>paid like two hundred dollars. We were like, so, but

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<v Speaker 10>she got us that job. So when I got the animal,

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<v Speaker 10>when I got volunteer, when I got the offer for

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<v Speaker 10>the animation thing, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought her with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, So who was the person at Tony from Animation?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah, Ron was there. Like, well, that's how I

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<v Speaker 10>got to cat Dog is through the Sony connections, because

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<v Speaker 10>let's see, I'm not cat Dog. Sorry, Kim Possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I didn't know you wrote it, Kim Possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I knew that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that.

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<v Speaker 10>That's awesome, but it was that's a small world. So

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<v Speaker 10>like we were even while we were on Boy Meets World,

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<v Speaker 10>we were still writing animation because we needed to like

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<v Speaker 10>bridge the gap of income in between on the hiatus,

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<v Speaker 10>so we would write a few animation things. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>so this guy got saddled with and he really wasn't happy.

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<v Speaker 10>It was so clear that he was like, uh, find

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<v Speaker 10>And then we turned in our draft and he was

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<v Speaker 10>like what And we got so much work for him

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<v Speaker 10>from him, so we got That's where. He was an

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<v Speaker 10>editor on Extreme Ghostbusters and he did Starship Troopers and

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<v Speaker 10>he'd like anybody that was ever looking for writers, he

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<v Speaker 10>would recommend us. He did Cat Dog and then he

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<v Speaker 10>knew the guys who were doing Kim Possible, so he

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<v Speaker 10>recommended us over there.

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<v Speaker 5>So you and Patty Patricia Carr were a writing team.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you always want a writing partner? Did you like

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<v Speaker 5>having a writing partner?

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<v Speaker 10>I loved having a writing partner. Patty and I went

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<v Speaker 10>to high school together, so when she moved out here,

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<v Speaker 10>we realized that we were both out here. We were

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<v Speaker 10>very young, and we both wanted to write for TV.

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<v Speaker 10>So we said, let's trade our spec scripts and give

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<v Speaker 10>each other notes, and so we did, and we had

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<v Speaker 10>written the same spec Roseanne like the same a store,

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<v Speaker 10>the same beast story. So we were like, either we're

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<v Speaker 10>both hacks or fine that we should write together. So

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<v Speaker 10>we threw out that we wrote two specs and one

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<v Speaker 10>of them is what got us the job on Boy

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<v Speaker 10>Meets World. I think it was a mad about you

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<v Speaker 10>but we got an agent off of that, and then

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<v Speaker 10>we got a meeting off of that, and we actually

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<v Speaker 10>got called in to meet on you wish Yes, but

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<v Speaker 10>then they said, I think Michael was like, would you

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<v Speaker 10>be interested in being on Boy Meets World? And we're

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<v Speaker 10>like yes, So we ended up getting on Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 10>Worlds and like it all happened pretty quickly once we

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<v Speaker 10>wrote the two new specs that well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>For our dear listeners who are not necessarily writers or

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<v Speaker 5>even in the entertainment industry, could you explain how being

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<v Speaker 5>a writing team is different than say, someone whose name

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<v Speaker 5>might appear alone on a script.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, you split a salary now, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were yep, there you go.

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<v Speaker 10>We were We were both aware that at the time

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<v Speaker 10>when we started, women would get hired because they had

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<v Speaker 10>to hire a woman. Yeah, it was like there was

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<v Speaker 10>this mandate of you got to hire a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>There at least needs to be one woman in this room.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, so we were like, you know what if there's

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<v Speaker 10>two of us. We even had T shirts made with

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<v Speaker 10>two women's holding pens. I wish I still had one

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<v Speaker 10>that said exploit us. So anytime that we had a

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<v Speaker 10>meeting or something, we would leave our T shirt like

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<v Speaker 10>you get two women for the cost of one woman.

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<v Speaker 10>So I don't think that's why we got hired in

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<v Speaker 10>the world. I think they liked cinner material and stuff,

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<v Speaker 10>But I think that that that was our feeling of,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, doing that. And then when you work with

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<v Speaker 10>somebody that you work well with, it's it's nice because

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<v Speaker 10>for many reasons you had, like you have somebody to

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<v Speaker 10>like experience the the success with who's experiencing your same success,

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<v Speaker 10>so that you're not like bragging or you're not like

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<v Speaker 10>you're just you're just like we did we have a success.

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<v Speaker 10>This is exciting.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>And then at the same time, when something is annoying,

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<v Speaker 10>you can complain to each other but not get like

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<v Speaker 10>that person's not going to go repeat what you said

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<v Speaker 10>right to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a confidant, a built in confidant.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And we really we worked very creatively well together,

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<v Speaker 10>and it made us be able to do things very quickly.

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<v Speaker 10>We wrote a lot of scripts on Boy Meets Worlds

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<v Speaker 10>after our first script that everyone was like excited about,

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<v Speaker 10>like what this doesn't suck yay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>I think we experienced that a lot so we could

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<v Speaker 10>write quickly, and so we wrote three or four episodes

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<v Speaker 10>the season that we were there. I think, so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Had you watched Boy Meets World before you came.

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<v Speaker 10>In, No, I hadn't. I knew of it, but I

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<v Speaker 10>was in my twenties, so I was not the target

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<v Speaker 10>audience for it. Every relative I had who was in

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<v Speaker 10>college or younger, I mean I was like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 10>a couple of years out of college. I wasn't that old.

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<v Speaker 10>But everybody in college or younger, every relative I had.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, what this is so cool?

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<v Speaker 10>We got so excited. And that's why I don't have

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<v Speaker 10>any of my swag left from the show, because I

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<v Speaker 10>gave it to the to the youngsters. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>not that much, but like the kids that were like,

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<v Speaker 10>what the jack Like my my young niece wore that jacket.

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<v Speaker 10>You guys remember that jacket? Yeah, so she had that,

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<v Speaker 10>so kudos at school and stuff because of it. But

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<v Speaker 10>they would just like contact me about, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 10>Cory kissed that right. They would just get so excited.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember your first interview? Do you remember interviewing

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<v Speaker 1>for the job I do.

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<v Speaker 10>It was with Mark and Mark Mark Butman and Hard

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<v Speaker 10>best game, Okay, And we went in and they had

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<v Speaker 10>read or we had a Mad about You script and

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<v Speaker 10>they liked it. So we talked about that script and

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<v Speaker 10>then it was there going to be their first time

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<v Speaker 10>running a show, so they were talking about what they

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<v Speaker 10>wanted to do with the show. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 10>just very friendly. We just all like laughed and talked

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<v Speaker 10>about comedy and about the show. Like I mean, we

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<v Speaker 10>had by that time watched a bunch of episodes, so

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<v Speaker 10>I believe we cause you guys were gonna well Eric,

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<v Speaker 10>Eric had graduated and so it was like we were

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<v Speaker 10>talking about oh and he's going to go to college

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<v Speaker 10>and what they wanted to do with that and stuff

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<v Speaker 10>like that. It was very friendly and it was like

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<v Speaker 10>it was our very first meeting that we had ever

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<v Speaker 10>had to staff, and we felt like, oh, this went well.

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<v Speaker 10>And then like on the drive, like we got an

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<v Speaker 10>offer right away.

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<v Speaker 2>So it did it had Okay, it had gone well.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you started in season five, Mark and Howard

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<v Speaker 1>were the showrunners. They were running over, yeah, because.

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<v Speaker 10>Michael had gone over to run you wish and Mark

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<v Speaker 10>and Howard were running the show. They had been on

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<v Speaker 10>the whole time, right, they had.

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<v Speaker 1>Been on second second season second Okay.

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<v Speaker 10>So yeah, they were running the show and then they

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<v Speaker 10>left at the point when Michael came back over. Right,

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<v Speaker 10>I wasn't in on whatever like was behind that decision,

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<v Speaker 10>but they but I think like Michael came back over

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<v Speaker 10>to run it and so whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever that happened in the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, again, it happened during the ski Lodge episode,

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly, Yes.

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<v Speaker 10>Because on the credits when I was watching these episodes again,

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<v Speaker 10>the Valentine's episode they did the story for and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat you wrote it.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you guys are fast right this one, right, so

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<v Speaker 10>we had their story or like we had there they

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<v Speaker 10>did the outline and.

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<v Speaker 5>You had already written the ski Lodge episode, and so

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<v Speaker 5>they were like, you're the perfect people to fill in now,

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<v Speaker 5>yes and write the second half.

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<v Speaker 4>So wait, writer, then the when because you at one

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<v Speaker 4>point said that Mark and Howard came out and said

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<v Speaker 4>they they were leaving, and they did it, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I don't remember the see, so it was

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<v Speaker 3>during which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we were filming an episode, and I probably

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<v Speaker 1>what happened is you wish had been canceled because we're about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, halfway through the season and they only did

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<v Speaker 1>so many and so Michael was like, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to boy this World, and Mark and Howard

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<v Speaker 1>were like, we're going to go on to other things

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<v Speaker 1>because they wanted to do adult shows anyway, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>they they came and made this like, you know, announcement.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of all said goodbye and yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>them coming to say and I was like, what, they're

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<v Speaker 1>leaving you? And then Michael was back.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait.

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<v Speaker 4>So then as you were writing the Ski Lodge episode, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>what about.

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<v Speaker 1>Me did you hate?

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<v Speaker 3>And why did you think I was such a bad actor?

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<v Speaker 2>Because he's not in that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious. I'm curious about like decision.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm guessing that you probably I don't remember because it

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<v Speaker 10>was so long ago, but I'm guessing you did have

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<v Speaker 10>a storyline that probably got cut for time that would

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<v Speaker 10>be yes, because we like, like you were so good

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<v Speaker 10>to write for because you could do anything, and as

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<v Speaker 10>a matter of fact, like we would give you stuff

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<v Speaker 10>sometimes it was so ridiculous and you would just be

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<v Speaker 10>like okay, you know, like I like one memory, like

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<v Speaker 10>it didn't end up on the show, but there was

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<v Speaker 10>an episode where everybody you probably I may have talked

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<v Speaker 10>about this when I saw you on the strike line,

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<v Speaker 10>but where Eric doesn't know how to read. I don't

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<v Speaker 10>know if you remember that, but I do table read.

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<v Speaker 10>It was at the team and you were sounding out

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<v Speaker 10>words and you were just like.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, and you know, like after that table read was

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<v Speaker 12>the only time that you ever were like, so, could

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<v Speaker 12>I not do that storyline?

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<v Speaker 4>We?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean college, I think I know how to read.

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<v Speaker 5>Mister sounds really bad. If Eric doesn't even know how.

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<v Speaker 2>To read, Eric can't read, I don't remember this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh god.

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<v Speaker 4>That sounds like a very That would have been an

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<v Speaker 4>eighties very special episode back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh now, how I mean, if if you, if you'd

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<v Speaker 4>talk about this, because I don't, We don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it didn't at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Did the dynamic in the room change when Mark and

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<v Speaker 3>Howard were no longer running it and Michael came back?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, yes, just in the sense that Michael. It didn't

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<v Speaker 10>change with the rest of the writers. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 10>it was not like a big oh my, it was

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<v Speaker 10>just sort of it was all handled like I had

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<v Speaker 10>no idea, but I was also the lowest on the

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<v Speaker 10>totem pole at that point, so we were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>and then Michael was there. It wasn't like a whole

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<v Speaker 10>scene or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, And it did

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<v Speaker 10>seem like for them they had gotten the show running

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<v Speaker 10>experience out of it and then it was like, yeah,

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 10>like they're moving on just saying they wanted to. They

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<v Speaker 10>were interested in doing more adults, not adult.

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<v Speaker 1>But like grown ups.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Was it collaborative in the room? Did like was everybody

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<v Speaker 5>pitching together? Did you feel welcome as the newer writer

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<v Speaker 5>on the on the cast?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>That is one thing about that show is there was

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<v Speaker 10>not a hierarchy, especially once Michael was there, because it

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 10>was Michael and then it was everybody else. We're all equal,

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:40.000
<v Speaker 10>and Michael was very, very encouraging of people pitching and

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.479
<v Speaker 10>like there was never any wrong pitch, you know there

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 10>have been in other comedy rooms. It was a very

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 10>it was a very like we worked long hours, but

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 10>it was a very nice room in my experience. I

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 10>was also just Patty and I were so thrilled to

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 10>be there, so we were like we would sweep the

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:57.919
<v Speaker 10>floors if they need us to.

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Were were you guys the only women?

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<v Speaker 10>No, so Barbie Feldman had also gotten and moved up

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 10>because she had been a Barbie Adler now because she

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.919
<v Speaker 10>had been an assistant to Susan somebody Susan. Yes, she

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 10>was not on the staff when I was there, so

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 10>I didn't know her that well. And then Erica on

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.440
<v Speaker 10>Talfa was a Disney fellow and then she got put

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<v Speaker 10>on the staff.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so when did Erica come in? She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come until like maybe water a fifth season, right.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think she was fifth or sixth, Like she

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<v Speaker 10>might have been an intern on the fifth season and

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.879
<v Speaker 10>then got putting on put on staff on the sixth. Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 5>Was there a character that spoke most to you, especially

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<v Speaker 5>as one of the you know, rare female voices we

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:48.919
<v Speaker 5>had on the show. Was there a specific character you

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 5>really like related to or felt like spoke to you?

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 10>Probably? I'm trying to think you guys were all so

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 10>good and easy to write for. That's that's the thing. Like,

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 10>But I think Patty and I were pitching stories for

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 10>Tipanga a lot, like just getting more of the not

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.400
<v Speaker 10>just the girl as a prop, not that the show

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 10>ever did that. But it's like not like, oh, how

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 10>is Topanga going to work into Corey's story, but like, oh,

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 10>what's tapanga side of this too? Yes, what's going on

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 10>with Topanga? I think? And Idelson was also there. I

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 10>just want to.

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<v Speaker 2>We had quite a few Season five, quite a few

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:30.120
<v Speaker 2>women voices.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so, so I think we brought that sensibility and

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 10>just our experiences in life as women. We were able

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 10>to have Topanga and Angela also have a point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>Men and women have different points of view on stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on.

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<v Speaker 10>So and then I guess, yeah, Maitland. What was her

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 10>character's name, Rachel, Rachel. Yeah, I just I think of

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 10>her as Maitland, So yeah, Maitland too once she came

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 10>out because she was season.

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<v Speaker 1>Six, six, six or seven.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, if you watch Dancing with the Stars, I

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 9>can say this and Krena will probably say the same thing.

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that we had great dancing chemistry.

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.479
<v Speaker 9>Then you need to be listening to sex lies and

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 9>spray tend my partner Arden.

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>He was so intense that meaning really nervous.

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>With Cheryl B. Kenneda didn't wear a lot of clothes.

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>No, she was, she did, she did super ankles Warm.

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<v Speaker 9>Get the behind the scenes of what goes down on

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 9>and off the dance floor.

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 11>Dancing with the Stars breaths body image issues for women.

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>The thinner you are, the more attention you end up

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>getting on that show.

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 9>Injuries my phone wings, Hey Christian, Hey business, Yeah, I

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.159
<v Speaker 9>saw you dancing with the Stars. I saw what happened

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 9>to your arm, and I have the perfect guy.

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 4>To fix it.

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<v Speaker 10>Honestly, got to Clara, I'm trying to survive. I'm just

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 10>trying to like make it out out of this season.

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Ego, she wanted to kill me. It was real bad

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>insecurity on the show.

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 11>It was like everyone was talking about my weight and

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 11>it really affected my confidence so much for like years.

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>To come, and betrayals.

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 14>Because of that one betrayal, I knew this is probably

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 14>my last season.

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<v Speaker 9>Listen to Sex, Lies and Spray Stands with Cheryl Burke.

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0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:36.240
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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so your first episode is season five, episode six,

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 5>No Guts, No Corey and absolutely Insane TGIF tie in

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 5>that involves us time traveling to World War two. This

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 5>had to be the deepest end in all of television

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 5>to jump into what do you remember from that week?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, so it's more than just that story because and

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 10>I don't know if you guys ever knew this before

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 10>there was the Cat tie in. Patty and I had

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 10>outlined a Thanksgiving episode that was like, well, no, we're

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 10>not going to do that. We're not doing Thanksgiving, We're

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 10>going to do a Titanic episode tie in with Titanic.

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 10>But Titanic had not come out. So we did a

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 10>whole thing with Titanic and Corey AND's Panca being on

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 10>Titanic or something, and then they were like, no, Titanic's

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 10>not going to do well, and that was from Disney.

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 10>He's like, oh, that's well, nobody will know what this is.

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 2>No one's going to get that one. That's a flop because.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>The movie was supposed to be a flop because it

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>was gone, like everybody's talking about it in Hollywood is

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>like a disaster.

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so that got thrown out, and so then there

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 10>was the crossover episode, and nobody else wanted to do

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 10>that one because because it's crazy Cat traveling through so

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 10>and then not only that, but so then Patty and

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 10>are like we'll do it. But we were also like

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 10>still like our other episodes, like yeah, no Thanksgiving, no Titanic.

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 10>We like, we'll do the crossover. We're fine. And then

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 10>all of the TGIF shows had to pick a time

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 10>period right, and the other shows snapped up the fifties

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 10>and the seventies, and in the nineties.

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 15>They told us we could do the eighties right exactly,

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 15>so we knew, like the eighties like that wasn't a

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 15>thing at that point. We were joking like, oh yeah,

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 15>look at us with our can of new coke, Like, what.

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Are you talking right?

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>What's the eighties now?

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 10>Eighties would look like the eighties now, But in the

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 10>nineties it was just like what are you going to

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 10>do in the eighties, we tried to do the twenty

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 10>I think somebody else had done the twent like all

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 10>the interesting decades were gone, so we're like, okay, so

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 10>world Wars. So that's how we got World War Two.

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 10>And also Eric's first storyline on that episode, do you remember.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 4>That I do this is the one because this is

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 4>the only time I remember coming in and saying okay.

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 10>So then that was yeah, that was the blood And

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 10>then they.

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about the blood.

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 10>There was a storyline that I don't remember the full

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 10>extent of, but it had to do with Eric thought

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 10>he would do his part by donating blood, and so

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 10>he was just like going, We're like donating lots and

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 10>lots of blood, and there's blood. So there were like

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 10>but that's that was what I remember. We ended up

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 10>having to pull out because it wasn't tasteful or something

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 10>like that.

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 4>Now, so when you were told you could pick your well,

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 4>essentially you have kind of the forties left, so you're

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 4>doing World War two?

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Was this also all based.

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Around the idea that they were going to be pumping

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 4>up a night of Sabrina?

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Right? Yes?

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 10>Yes, Now that was an ABC mandate. Is they wanted

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 10>to do a crossover with the Cat because Sabrina, Like,

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 10>they really liked doing crossovers.

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I think there was there were they liked synergy.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 10>Yes, yes, so they knew they came up with the

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 10>idea that the cat was going to go into every episode. So, uh,

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 10>the cat did? I don't even was was Family Matters?

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 4>No, it was gone by this point. It was gone

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 4>by so we figured out Family Matters had been moved

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 4>to NBC or something prime time. Okay, so that the

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 4>night started with Sabrina and then goes off.

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Then we're next, and then you Wish, You Wish and

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 3>teen Angel.

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 10>Yeah wow, yeah, okay, so you wish I had preference

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 10>over the decade to.

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Boy, yeah, you wish got to pick.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>So we were the only non last, always last. Every

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>time we got to pick something, we were always the

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>last people.

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 4>I know.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 10>But you know what, the joke is on everybody because.

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>No one talks about those other episode.

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Here we are.

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 3>We're doing a you Wish podcast next, So.

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna go for one month.

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I know.

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>One thing.

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 10>One thing that we did talk about in the room

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 10>about the forties was oh, this will be great hair.

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>For t and wardrobe. Oh yeah, I missed. I missed

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>my calling for decades.

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah.

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 5>So then your second episode of the season is Heartbreak Cory,

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 5>an incredibly iconic episode and the introduction of the great

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 5>Linda Cardellini as Lauren. The Ski Lodge is quite possibly

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 5>the most mentioned episode to me.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, do you remember.

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 5>Where this entire storyline was born? What was the dialogue

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 5>in the writer's room about every aspect of the storyline?

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 10>Okay, I don't know if I have all those details,

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 10>but I know that Patty and I were instrumental in

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 10>pitching like what if he kisses somebody else? Okay, like

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 10>in what that level could be, like is it just

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 10>an emotional thing? Is it actually a kiss? And I

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 10>think it Like one thing that happened to is once.

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 10>Look because we were sitting in the casting room when

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 10>Linda Cartelini came in and everybody was like, oh my god.

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 10>So once she was cast also it was easy to

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 10>see like, oh, she's not a villain. This is like

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 10>that there was a way to play that for like, oh,

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 10>Corey really loves to Panga, but this girl is great,

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 10>So yeah.

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I love that.

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 5>Linda herself was one of the reasons we get such

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 5>an episode. One of the things we loved about it

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 5>is that there is no telling from the writing or

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 5>audience reaction to the audience about how they're supposed to

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 5>fit feel She's not supposed to be a villain.

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 2>She is just a.

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 5>Great girl who has real feelings for Corey, and Corey

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 5>has real feelings for her, and you can see how

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 5>they could have a great relationship.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>And is that bad? Is that good?

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 5>We don't It doesn't really lean you one way or

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 5>the other. You have to decide for yourself, which really

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 5>plays in the episode.

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 10>Yes, and I think what you guys were talking about

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 10>before is that appealing to like the sensibility of how

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 10>that would make women go what would I do in

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.240
<v Speaker 10>that situation? Too? So it's not just like, oh, Corey,

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 10>what's you going to do? It's like, oh my god,

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 10>what's Tapanka gonna do?

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 7>What?

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 10>You know? And really play that and also, oh, we

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 10>understand like Lauren and what she did, and she didn't

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 10>do anything wrong she you know, but.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>We talked about this.

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 6>Right, We talked it on her feelings specifically, the first

0:34:56.480 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 6>time we walk into the ski lodge, it is Corey

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 6>into Panga together.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 4>There she is knowingly going after another woman's man.

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 5>But she doesn't have a responsibility to anyone who has

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 5>a responsibility's.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 10>She is also just doing her job to begin with.

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Which, by the way, she's this poor girl is on

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 4>twenty four hour ships.

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>She's there for three days strength that's three days straight.

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 10>I noticed that too. Rewatching did not occur to me.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 4>This poor girl is running the entire lounge by herself

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 4>and now has met this man and has been up.

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>For three days. But that's the other thing.

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 4>We talked about, is that that's what great television does.

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my wife I got again because you hated

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 4>me as an actor and hated my talent. I wasn't

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 4>in this episode. So I got to sit back and

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 4>just watch this as a fan. And I'm not sure

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 4>since it aired if I'd ever seen it. And I'm

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 4>sitting there watching it with my wife, and there was

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.919
<v Speaker 4>times you were pausing it and having these conversations where

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 4>it's like, wait a minute, and then were we looked.

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>At each other's like, but that's what That's what good

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 1>TV is supposed to do. You're supposed to have the

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.240
<v Speaker 1>different points of view, You're supposed to have these discussions.

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to did she do anything wrong? Okay, who

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>was responsible? Well it's his fault, yes, but she was complicit.

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh it was great. So fully enjoyed it.

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 10>And you know, I don't know, thinking back to before

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 10>that point, if the show had really done little arcs,

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 10>that that might have been one of the first times

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 10>that there was an arc of are they going to

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 10>like what's happening with them? Are they going to get

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 10>back together? That like stretched over several episodes, and then

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 10>we were doing more of that as the show continued,

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 10>because it worked really well, I think.

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 4>But then okay, so then that leads to my next question,

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 4>which is, because we just watched the next one, you

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 4>did the first First Girlfriend's Club, and so whose idea

0:36:55.680 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 4>was it to not then make fine being the letter

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 4>the a story of that storyline. It's like you left

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 4>us hanging, and then we wanted to jump into that one,

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 4>and that seemed to be kind of pushed to the

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 4>side and just kind of bracketed the episode. Wait, now

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.760
<v Speaker 4>you remember how that happened?

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 10>No, I because that was in all of the change

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 10>over there.

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, the Bluntman and bus gang leading.

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 10>And I think, I think, I think what happened is

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 10>initially I don't know for sure, so this all may

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 10>be not true. So I'm supposing, in combination with like

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 10>deep memory that the Valentine's episode they had wanted to

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 10>do a thing with with Sean and it was like

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 10>a first girl like First Wives Club was.

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 2>A big movie, so doing that.

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 10>And so that had been the focus of that episode.

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 10>But then off of how well the other episode had gone,

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 10>it was like, let's put this in there too, Like

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 10>let's let's gutch on that because it's it's a Valentine's

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 10>Day episode. But we already had like the girl, like

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 10>those three girls, and I think those girls had all

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 10>been former. I wasn't on the shoe, but they had

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 10>all been former, like yeah, ventures Sean's and stuff too,

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 10>So yeah, that would that would be my guess as

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 10>to why that happened. And then we leaned more into

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.759
<v Speaker 10>it moving forward if I'm remembering correctly, because there was

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 10>a episode. Oh yeah, I don't remember all of the

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 10>other ones, but I remember, And then Lauren came back

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 10>at some point.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she comes back.

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 5>Now it may be that hindsight is twenty twenty and

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 5>even just based on what you said there, where like, oh,

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.799
<v Speaker 5>this first episode of Corey having this emotional connection and

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 5>a kiss with Lauren felt like it went well, And

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 5>yet in the planning of the season maybe wasn't anticipated

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 5>to be as big of a moment as it turned

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 5>out to be, so much so that the following episode

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 5>was going to be a Sean and Angela Valentine's Day episode.

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 5>But did you feel a lot of pressure tackling such

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 5>a big moment in Corey into Panga's relationship In hindsight,

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 5>of course, it's the most talked about aspect of the

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 5>Corey to Panga relationship.

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know that we would have known that

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 2>at the time. So did it feel pressure filled?

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.479
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think the way that we didn't break

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 10>stuff too much in advance on that show, okay, And

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 10>I mean at the time too, like that shows just

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 10>weren't done like that because you had to do so

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 10>many It was just like what's next, what's next with

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 10>the right can we They didn't have the same kind

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 10>of arcs, So I think it was more like a

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 10>standalone situation, especially in sitcom. But I think Michael was

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 10>very aware. I mean, we could hear the audience reaction too,

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 10>so like when we were shooting the show, you were like,

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 10>oh my god.

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, people are reacting.

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 10>People are really reacting to this, And so yeah, I

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 10>guess we were following through before it was even on

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 10>the air and following through on that and that was

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 10>probably coming from you know, Michael of like in the

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 10>room too, But like Michael would have been the one

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 10>to go, we got to do, we got to follow

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 10>through on this, and we would all then pitch and

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 10>you know.

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what the sort of like rules of

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Weymeet's world were like what were the discussions in the

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 1>room as far as like, this is what's going to

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>happen with Corey into Panga, this is going to be

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Sean and Angela's storyline. Did you guys have guiding principles

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>or sort of like commandments going forward?

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 10>Like with pitching storylines, it worked differently, like when there

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 10>were arcs, then you would pitch you know, like what

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 10>could be the next step in the arc. But otherwise

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 10>a lot of times people would just share stories. And

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 10>I think that's where the people that were like the

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 10>younger people on staff, which I was one of at

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 10>the time, we would pull so many things from our

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 10>lives because we were just high school wasn't that far before.

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 10>So we would talk, oh, our friend had this happened

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 10>in high school? Or this happened in high school, and

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 10>maybe Topanga could have this happen. And then there were

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 10>a lot of there was a lot of you know,

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 10>interact with Feenie. What lesson could Peenie teach everybody? There

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 10>was the family element was important on the show too,

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 10>Like Alan would factor a lot into like, oh, the

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 10>father or son's relationship and then when when Eric and

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 10>Jack and Rachel were there too, that would be like, okay,

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 10>they would have a like that would kind of be

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 10>broken separately. But then sometimes we would come back and

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 10>talk about what about an episode about brothers, Like everybody

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 10>would just kind of pitch. It would be like, do

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 10>you know the term blue skys? Is any bit ever

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 10>use that before?

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Like blue skys?

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 10>Just like pitch anything, like yeah, really see what Yeah they.

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 4>Do at Google where they paint it's the the the

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:46.439
<v Speaker 4>ceiling is painted blue.

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>It's the Blue Sky Room.

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 10>So you go go in there and you're like, what

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 10>about this? What about this? And so? And then when

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 10>something would land that would seem like, oh, this is

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 10>a story, then we would like break it out a

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 10>little bit more like a B story or something like that.

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.959
<v Speaker 1>So there wasn't a plan like coming into season five,

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.240
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be the season where this happens

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>by the end or no, wow, okay no.

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.439
<v Speaker 10>In fact, the beginning of season five that was when

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 10>Mark and Howard we're doing it for the first time.

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 10>That was just really episode by because those episodes were

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 10>more just like episode by episode. Bob Tischler was new

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 10>on the staff at that point, too.

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, do you remember a specific storyline or a

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 4>script you really wanted to do where you thought the

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 4>room wanted to do that got you know, traction, and

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 4>then all of a sudden, it's like, no, we're not

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 4>going to do that.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 10>Well the Thanksgiving episode, I don't even remember what the

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 10>story was, but we liked it, and then it was

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 10>for whatever reason, like Thanksgiving was.

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Not happening, Thanksgiving's not hit fit Like, yeah, ABC, I.

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 10>Think it was like, we don't want to do Thanksgiving

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 10>episode because then it's like a syndication thing.

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Like they want Evergreen.

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 10>Yes, exactly, but we liked whatever we had done on

0:42:53.680 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 10>that outline. But usually I feel like there was one

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 10>episode and I don't know which one it was, that

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 10>that was kind of far along in the process and

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 10>ABC was like, you know what, we changed our mind,

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 10>we don't want to do that episode. It was I

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 10>don't think it was one I was writing, and so

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 10>then we had to start a starting over doing another.

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 4>Oh, he dick, What's what's the craziest pitch for one

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 4>of the characters of Boy Meets World that you remember?

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.439
<v Speaker 4>Because Eric not being able to read is a pretty guy.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 4>I apparently got all the way to the table read,

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 4>which is I.

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 10>Still remember you sounding out words and I forget I

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 10>think Shack taught you, like Jack was going to teach

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 10>you to read or something like that, and you were like,

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 10>reading is fun. Wasn't the lesson you took away? That

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 10>was probably the craziest, the craziest, and that I can

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.720
<v Speaker 10>remember because afterwards it was like all of the writers

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.760
<v Speaker 10>were like what were we all thinking?

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 2>How did we let this go?

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 4>Because read Eric's like reading his acceptance letter to college,

0:43:56.280 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 4>He's reading, He's doing all these different things, so oh god.

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>That's weird.

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 10>Yeah yeah, And like in the room too, we would

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 10>do table reads in the room, like Michael would always

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:10.239
<v Speaker 10>play Corey, like Barbie would always play Topanga, like we

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 10>all had. I don't even remember who I ever was,

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 10>Like I think I got switched around to different things,

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 10>but who played who played shot?

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 4>Matt Nelson played Eric Eric.

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 10>I think when Mark and Howard were there, Mark played Eric.

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 10>Mark and Howard would both play Eric, and I think

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 10>Manel played Erek.

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember.

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 10>I think like Eric was just like all the work.

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 10>But what like I would just do like, oh to

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 10>Panga's mom, you're his mom, you know, or stage directions

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 10>or something, but we read it in the room with

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 10>the right Eric doesn't know how to read, and we're still.

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 5>Like, that's definitely one of those slap happy things that

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 5>you guys are cracking up at and you're going, we

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 5>have to keep it in. It's so goofy, it's so funny.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 5>And then of course you at the table read and

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 5>you go, ABC's never going to let us put this

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:02.879
<v Speaker 5>on the air.

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's say it was also.

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, quite seriously.

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 10>There was also there was one and I don't remember

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 10>what season is Michael's Kids. There was one thing where

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 10>there was like a writer's room for someone. Yes, okay,

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 10>there was a writer's room and the writers were all

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 10>so young and Michael's kids were going to be the

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 10>writers and Jeff's kid and we were there until I

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 10>think three in the morning pitching lines so that could

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 10>have a write a line, oh boy, And and the

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 10>kids were so nervous, like on the day, I think

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 10>the kids were so nervous. But it was, you know,

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 10>Michael really wanted all the kids to have an equally

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 10>excellent line, and there were four of them, so it

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 10>was something about like you guys are.

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 5>Yes, and then probably no one got their line out

0:45:58.120 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 5>on the day because then we all have.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 10>To rewrite it.

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, a bunch of writers having to pitch lines for

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>writers on a TV show who are going to be

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 1>played by children.

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.840
<v Speaker 10>Yes, like but that like the thing was when we

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 10>had to be there late like that, there was always

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.479
<v Speaker 10>like some food of some kind.

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, They said you, well, yeah.

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 10>Get some excellent food from somewhere.

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>And that was your that was your recompensation.

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So you're in the room the first time you

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 4>hear Corey and Topanga are going to be married. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>how does that go over? And what do you feel

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<v Speaker 4>about that situation?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 10>I wrote that episode two, which you probably did, you know, Okay,

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 10>I think that got floated and I don't remember who

0:46:55.680 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 10>floated it, and it seemed like that makes sense. Like

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 10>and also though, if we're going to get them married,

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.399
<v Speaker 10>they should stay married. So and we had to run

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.760
<v Speaker 10>it by is ABC okay with them getting married because

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 10>like we weren't. The feeling I think was, let's not

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 10>get them married and have them break up and get

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 10>back together again, right right?

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 5>Because are we comfortable saying they're going to be married

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 5>for the rest of the run of the show.

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<v Speaker 10>Right, because that's not fun when people are breaking up,

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 10>that's fun.

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>That's fun when it's not as serious.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, And we also knew and they're not going to

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.279
<v Speaker 10>have a baby, like, we don't want anybody to be

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:35.319
<v Speaker 10>having a baby. That's not fun to see. We don't

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 10>want to necessarily be pregnant to Panga, you know. Like

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 10>so I think it felt like the fans would probably

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.799
<v Speaker 10>enjoy it in a sort of like wish fulfilly kind

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.759
<v Speaker 10>of way of like, oh, they love each other and

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 10>they get married in college and it's so great, And

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 10>I think that was that was true.

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<v Speaker 1>And we also there was no pushback.

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 4>There weren't other people going like, you can't marry they're eighteen,

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 4>they just graduated high school, we can't marry them off.

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think we had all of those conversations,

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 10>and that's what the parents represent, you know, just like yeah,

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 10>and also just the idea of when you're young, and

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 10>we were young too, but like you do these things.

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 10>The grown ups in the room had the perspective of

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 10>you don't know what you're getting into when you get

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:28.360
<v Speaker 10>married at nineteen years old, but the younger staff members

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 10>were like, well, yeah, but you also like I could see,

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 10>I could see I could see having done that. I

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.319
<v Speaker 10>didn't hear, you know, but like you do those kinds

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 10>of things because you do feel like it's going to

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 10>last forever and you know so Wow.

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0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 5>I want to go back to First Girlfriend's Club for

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 5>a second, because this was something we talked about when

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 5>we watched the episode. What would the outcome have had

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:11.320
<v Speaker 5>been if no one showed up for Sean?

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 2>What were the girls going to do?

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<v Speaker 10>I think when I rewatched it, it was also like, yeah,

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 10>I think the goal was save Angela from being in

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:29.720
<v Speaker 10>a relationship with this guy who's just going to break

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 10>his break her heart.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, But so what were they going to make Sean do? Say, Okay,

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 5>I'll break up with Angela.

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 10>Just like keep him from showing up on the date.

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 10>Then she would get mad and realize, oh, he breaks

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 10>his promises, okay, so that he would he would break up.

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 10>I don't think they were gonna they were handcuffing that

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 10>to like hurt him, but to just hold him in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>It's still more believable than ordering ten dozen roses the

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:01.240
<v Speaker 4>night of Valentine's Day to Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, one other, one other question.

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 5>And it makes sense now knowing that it was an

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:13.280
<v Speaker 5>idea started by Mark and Howard and then got handed

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 5>off to you to finish writing. But another major plot

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:21.120
<v Speaker 5>hole that that we noticed is that Angela sent the

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 5>bouquet to the guy's apartment and Sean reads the note

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:29.880
<v Speaker 5>out loud, no Angela, and then the guys go without

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.359
<v Speaker 5>Angela to the boat house and Angela goes, why don't

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:34.759
<v Speaker 5>they take Angela with them?

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>And go, wait, he's meeting you at the boat house.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know, Okay, I don't know because my husband

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.360
<v Speaker 10>and I watched all the episodes and we were both like,

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 10>why were they We must not mention this. Yeah, we

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 10>got to sneak off right away and deal with that

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 10>without involving her, like why why.

0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was We were like, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>So knowing now, I'm really glad that that that we

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 5>talked about, that that this was when Mark and Howard left,

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 5>because we also that was a that was a plot

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 5>hole for us in even just the history of Boy

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:09.720
<v Speaker 5>Meets World.

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>We knew they leave at some point.

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 5>I wonder if we'll know when that was when the

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:19.839
<v Speaker 5>season comes around, and now we know, so, okay, then

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 5>you leave us after Boy Meets World is over, and

0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 5>you basically never stop working. You have a small return

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:30.239
<v Speaker 5>to some animated projects, including Vickim Possible show we talked

0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 5>about in two.

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Thousand and two.

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 5>But then you find yourself on the very successful Reba.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you happy to get back onto a sitcom?

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:42.879
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean we we we went boy Meets World

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 10>and we did a show called Daddio.

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay or was that No?

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 10>That was Daddy. We did Daddio. So we did have

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 10>a show in between, and for some reason that doesn't

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 10>always show up on IMDb, but Daddy always just have

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.879
<v Speaker 10>a season. So we did some more animation to fill

0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 10>in the income the gap. Yeah, and then we did

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 10>Riba for five years then till death, and then we

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 10>didn't get staffed. So that was eleven years of sitcom

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 10>and then we switched over to hour long, but we

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 10>went onto Reba was created by Alison Gibson Montgomery, who

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 10>came on on season six a Boy Meets World. She

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 10>actually brought some people that she had liked working with

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 10>on Boy Meets When Ellen and Rob left Boy Meets World,

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 10>Allison came in. Allison was on season six and seven.

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 10>She created Riba, and she brought Patty and I and

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:39.160
<v Speaker 10>also Gary Miller. I think that was the only people

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 10>from Boy. So we went over onto Riba and so

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:45.400
<v Speaker 10>it was like it was really fun. That was a

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:49.719
<v Speaker 10>really fun show where I have had really great experiences

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 10>on sitcoms, like I've been like with the casts especially

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 10>most of the shows that I worked on had tremendous

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.719
<v Speaker 10>not just talent, but just lovely people, you know, So

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:06.680
<v Speaker 10>that it was it was fun to go to set.

0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 10>It was fun to talk to the actors. It was

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.240
<v Speaker 10>very collaborative. It was like a mutual respects back and forth,

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:16.000
<v Speaker 10>like we know what they can do, they trust. I

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 10>don't know that I'm that I'm correct. You guys may

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.759
<v Speaker 10>have all been like, what are they thinking? Like that

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 10>you trusted you guys were, Yes, but that you that

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 10>you trusted also that we were going to fix something

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:32.759
<v Speaker 10>if it wasn't working. Yes, So that that Riba had

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.239
<v Speaker 10>that also in Daddio, which was short lived, which just

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 10>didn't get the viewership to stay on the air, but

0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:42.360
<v Speaker 10>it was the same thing there. So yeah, I really

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.840
<v Speaker 10>like working on sitcoms and switched over to hour long

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.960
<v Speaker 10>because there were just fewer of them. Yeah, yeah, and

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 10>then yeah, and when I look at the shows like

0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 10>the lasting popularity of Boy Meets World and of Riba.

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 10>I go, why aren't people making sitcoms right? Because they're

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 10>hugely they're you know, they just they when it takes

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 10>a while to necessarily nail one down that has the

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 10>right chemistry, because you really have to have that chemistry

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 10>with the with the cast. But when you get that,

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 10>there's nothing like it. Its like you feel like you

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.200
<v Speaker 10>know them in a way that I don't think that

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 10>you have that even with great dramas. I don't feel

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 10>like I know the people in succession like they're my friends,

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 10>like I like watch them, but it's not, you know, well.

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.279
<v Speaker 4>I think one of the reasons unfortunate is all the

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 4>greatest sitcoms of all time, like literally you're talking about

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 4>the Office and Mash and Cheers, all of them needed

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.640
<v Speaker 4>a time to build their audience, Seinfeld, These shows that

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 4>are almost going to be canceled, every single one of them,

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 4>and nobody gives anything the time to grow anymore. So

0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:52.400
<v Speaker 4>if it's not not a hit on the second night,

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 4>you're done. And it's like, that's just not how sitcom works.

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 4>You gotta you build your audience, You move a night,

0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.839
<v Speaker 4>you do this, you find and then you get these

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:03.480
<v Speaker 4>huge hits and they just don't allow anything to grow anymore.

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 10>So no, and you also have to for live comedy

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 10>like that, you start to learn on the staff. And

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.359
<v Speaker 10>when we came on Boy Meets World, we already knew

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:16.239
<v Speaker 10>because you guys, it was established. But it takes a

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:20.280
<v Speaker 10>minute to see what the actors do really well because

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 10>and then you start writing for the actors, and then

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 10>you also start to see, oh, I was wouldn't have

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 10>anticipated that dynamic, you know, between these two, like they're

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:34.240
<v Speaker 10>funny when they're like trying to do a project together,

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 10>Like all of these things that you find over the

0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.279
<v Speaker 10>course of say, I don't know, it's not that many episodes,

0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 10>but like seven eight episodes you started. Oh, it takes

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 10>a little while to get that, to get that going,

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.280
<v Speaker 10>and at the same time that the audience is getting

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.280
<v Speaker 10>to know the show.

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 5>And you have to do that for every season because

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 5>at the start of every season, now you've aged up,

0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.239
<v Speaker 5>you've added a new character, and now you have to

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 5>like reconc figure what are those dynamics and how is

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 5>this all working?

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:03.919
<v Speaker 2>What's what's funny here?

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 10>Right?

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you still work with Patty?

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:08.880
<v Speaker 10>No, I mean Patty and I are still friends. We

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:12.719
<v Speaker 10>stopped writing together I guess it's about seven years now,

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 10>because when you split a salary, it's fine when there's

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 10>twenty two to twenty four episodes, but there's things were

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 10>going to even network shows were like, yeah, twelve episodes,

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 10>ten episodes, like, it's just not sustainable of a way

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 10>to earn a living. And so we split very amicably.

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 10>But I see her. I see her fairly often. I

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 10>saw her. Wee can have ago, We go to lunch

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:42.040
<v Speaker 10>all the time, we talk on the phone, so it's

0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 10>it's and we really enjoyed working in comedy, and we

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 10>liked working an hour long too, but our heart was

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 10>always with live comedy. There's something that's just so great

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 10>about that audience feedback. And with my masters in play writing,

0:57:56.880 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 10>that's what I always wrote that. It's why I went

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 10>into TV. I would write half hour long comedies that

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 10>took place on one set and I wasn't thinking about that.

0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:12.200
<v Speaker 10>That's just what I would end up doing when I

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 10>was writing, and I because and then I would go here,

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:21.120
<v Speaker 10>and there's just something like it's that laughter when it's

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.920
<v Speaker 10>my words but it's not me, and that the actors

0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:27.800
<v Speaker 10>are taking it and making it so much funnier than

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 10>I could have even imagined, and the director is involved

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 10>it like there's something that's just so I don't feeling fulfilling.

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.880
<v Speaker 10>But it's even more than that. It's just it's just

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 10>like it's not transcendent, because that sounds like, well it's not.

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 10>It's not transcendent something, but it's it's it's so wonderful

0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 10>to have that immediate reaction. It feels like love is

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 10>what it feels like.

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:56.600
<v Speaker 1>You were you a television fan growing up? Yes, what

0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 1>were your favorite jokes?

0:58:57.880 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 10>Well, I would sneak to watch a lot of shows.

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<v Speaker 10>I liked Charlie's Angels, and my dad would only let

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<v Speaker 10>me watch I had, Like he would circle in the

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<v Speaker 10>TV guide today you have one half hour. So I

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<v Speaker 10>would watch like the first half hour of Charlie's Angels.

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<v Speaker 10>Then I would arrange mirrors, like to reflect a TV

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<v Speaker 10>in a room, and I would pretend like I'm in

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<v Speaker 10>the bathroom, but really I'm like watching the mirrors. And

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<v Speaker 10>Three's Company another one that I wasn't supposed to watch

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<v Speaker 10>because it was you know, men and an adult living together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>but I would. My brother was sick and so my

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<v Speaker 10>parents would have to go take him when they were

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<v Speaker 10>learning to do dialysis for him, so opportunity. While they

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<v Speaker 10>were gone, you'd watch eight hours of TV the company

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<v Speaker 10>was running. In the mornings. I would watch that. I

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<v Speaker 10>Love Lucy, always watch that. The Jeffersons. Every day school.

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<v Speaker 10>I would come home, watch one episode of The Jeffersons

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<v Speaker 10>and then go do my homework. So, yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 10>all uh Gomer Pyle used to rerun I don't know

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<v Speaker 10>if that's funny at all. Brady Bunch I loved.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were old school sitcom.

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<v Speaker 6>I love that.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And I wouldn't watch for like, you know, fifteen

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<v Speaker 10>hours or something, but it would just be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>this is on, Yeah after school, I'll watch with my

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<v Speaker 10>grandma for an hour. I'll watch on my own. My

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<v Speaker 10>parents loved Mary Tyler Moore and Bob Newhart, so we

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<v Speaker 10>would watch those Like those would just go over my head.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't understand why they were funny when I was little,

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<v Speaker 10>but I loved watching them. But yeah, like a little

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<v Speaker 10>bit of mash but that was really over my head.

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<v Speaker 10>I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you when you graduated with your MFA and

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<v Speaker 1>you decided to try your hand at writing a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>half hour sitcom, did it just come instinctually or were

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<v Speaker 1>you aware of like oh I need to learn this

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<v Speaker 1>ructure or break this down or was it just in you.

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<v Speaker 10>It was a sort of a combination of both. Like

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<v Speaker 10>you get a hold of scripts and you look at, okay,

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<v Speaker 10>how long is it? How is it formatted? But I

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<v Speaker 10>had like oh, Roseanne was another one I watched a

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<v Speaker 10>lot and mad about you. But you would just watch

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<v Speaker 10>them get a sense for like, okay, what what do

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<v Speaker 10>they do with this show? You know, who has a

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<v Speaker 10>story in the B story? How many beats? How many

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<v Speaker 10>pages does it have to be? What breaks look like?

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<v Speaker 10>And then you would just imitate it right. But with

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<v Speaker 10>the with the ability to write comedy, which I think

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<v Speaker 10>is there's a musicality in to it. And that's how

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<v Speaker 10>I can usually tell because after a while, when you

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<v Speaker 10>write comedy, you don't really know when you've read it

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<v Speaker 10>again and again and again, you're like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 10>if it's funny, So I have to rely on that.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like this this rhythm yea, they go like okay,

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<v Speaker 10>and when I think, oh, something's not working there, it's

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<v Speaker 10>because there's like one little beat missing. So that's where

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<v Speaker 10>the instinctive stuff comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's talk Baywatch for a second.

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<v Speaker 5>It has been in the news all month because of

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<v Speaker 5>the documentary, but you have been tasked with show running

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<v Speaker 5>the reboot, which is a massive job and dare I

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<v Speaker 5>say a little bit of a tricky one in twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four. So what can we expect from the return

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<v Speaker 5>of the red bathing suit.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it is not picked up. I'm writing the pilot.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm actually I don't even know what I'm supposed to say.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm writing the second episode right now, okay, because that's

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<v Speaker 10>part of like the whole thing. I usually read a

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<v Speaker 10>pilot and then you write a second episode and then

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<v Speaker 10>they decide. So when my agent approached me and said,

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<v Speaker 10>would you be interested in readbooting Baywatch? I was like

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<v Speaker 10>yes because and then I was like, what I remember

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<v Speaker 10>about Baywatch was, oh, here they are on the beach,

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<v Speaker 10>Like this is just like a happy, a happy thing

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<v Speaker 10>that I watch.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>After I was cocktail way sing at the Laugh Factory,

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<v Speaker 10>I would come home and I would turn on Baywatch

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<v Speaker 10>and it was just like, oh, okay, here I am

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<v Speaker 10>watching Baywatch. And I didn't really remember any specifics, but

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<v Speaker 10>I do remember people in red bathing suits.

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<v Speaker 3>Slow motion running on the beach, Ye running on the beach.

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<v Speaker 10>So I wanted to capture that element of nostalgia. I

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<v Speaker 10>wanted to come into it from a female perspective, so

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<v Speaker 10>I won't give anything away there, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 10>be like, Okay, a woman, let's what's the woman coming

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<v Speaker 10>into this? And then I just I wanted to I said,

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<v Speaker 10>I wanted to make it more diverse, like not just

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<v Speaker 10>the diversity of the cast, but the diversity of the

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<v Speaker 10>kinds of beaches that there are. It's not just right,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, there's Malibu, but there's also Venice and there's

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<v Speaker 10>also Santa Monica, just like more just make it contemporary

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<v Speaker 10>that way, and then base everything on characters like that

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<v Speaker 10>we care about the character and that that's really what

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<v Speaker 10>was driving the show in my pitch of what I

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<v Speaker 10>wanted to do with it, And just make everybody very

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<v Speaker 10>real and it's a grounded soap, but still have humor,

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<v Speaker 10>have action, have people making mistakes, like just make them

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<v Speaker 10>real people. And I wanted everybody that was a lifeguard

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<v Speaker 10>to be there for a personal reason, not just because

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<v Speaker 10>they look good in a bathing suit, because like peop

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<v Speaker 10>look good in a bathing suit, but like you know,

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<v Speaker 10>so like, oh what drew people? Because when you learn

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<v Speaker 10>a little bit more about it, lifeguarding is really it's

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<v Speaker 10>mostly you know, you're helping somebody stepped down a sting, right,

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<v Speaker 10>But then it's dangerous, like you're risking life and you

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<v Speaker 10>have to be ready to risk your life. And it's

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<v Speaker 10>actually goes through the it's a branch of the fire department.

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<v Speaker 10>And I don't know if it's a branch, if that's

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<v Speaker 10>the right word, but it is maybe a subdivision, yes,

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<v Speaker 10>So so like that's a it's a calling for the

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<v Speaker 10>people that do it part time, for the kids that

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<v Speaker 10>are in the summer and stuff. A not isn't necessarily calling,

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<v Speaker 10>but it's like a it's a career. And so I

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<v Speaker 10>just you know, wanted to lean on Diress a little

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<v Speaker 10>bit too and just be a show that you were

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<v Speaker 10>tying into the characters. But then it was also fun

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<v Speaker 10>to watch because it's the beaches are beautiful and the action,

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<v Speaker 10>the action is exciting, and so so far it's been

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<v Speaker 10>a really like it's the development process always takes things

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<v Speaker 10>a little bit like it's a winding path. But the

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<v Speaker 10>core of what I pitched, and I pitched something not

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<v Speaker 10>to try to get the job. So I pitched something

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<v Speaker 10>that I would be like, I would be interested in

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<v Speaker 10>writing this, and I could write this, so what would

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<v Speaker 10>I want to do. So that that was my approach,

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<v Speaker 10>and I just kept being surprised that I was making

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<v Speaker 10>it to the next level because I was like, this

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<v Speaker 10>is a huge property. Yeah, oh okay, yeah, I'll go like,

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<v Speaker 10>I will go now talk to this person. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 10>will do a little bit more and come back in

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<v Speaker 10>and talk to Oh okay, I will you know. So,

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<v Speaker 10>and then it was down to the final few people

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<v Speaker 10>and I was pitching it to Fox and I was

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<v Speaker 10>just like, and there's no way I'm getting this, And

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<v Speaker 10>then I did. And it wasn't because I don't didn't

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<v Speaker 10>believe in myself or anything. It was just like, this

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<v Speaker 10>is such an iconic right right sho, So I like,

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<v Speaker 10>surely many people will want to do this show. There's

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<v Speaker 10>like a lot of good writers out there. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>so I have been I have really I have really

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<v Speaker 10>liked the process so far, and I don't know when

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<v Speaker 10>I will find out if it's picked up or not.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, congratulations on getting this far and we look forward

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<v Speaker 5>to the announcement that it's making it to air, we

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<v Speaker 5>will all celebrate you all.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it about middle aged X smokers who are horribly

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<v Speaker 4>out of shape trying to run?

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<v Speaker 16>So I first, okay, I actually I actually did like

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<v Speaker 16>check and see how like oh could I looked at

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<v Speaker 16>all of you guys to see like their thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we didn't get putting that in bathing Zoo. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really great talking to you.

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<v Speaker 5>So coming onto the show in season five, here we are.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you ever think we would still be talking about

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<v Speaker 5>Boy Meets World years?

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<v Speaker 10>And I am so thrilled because I loved working on

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<v Speaker 10>the show and at the time when we were on

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<v Speaker 10>the show, like I don't think that ABC understood we

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<v Speaker 10>were in the top ten when I was season five,

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<v Speaker 10>season six, we were in the Sometimes it would be

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<v Speaker 10>like number three for the week is Boy Meets World,

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<v Speaker 10>And then we were somehow not promoted, like there would

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<v Speaker 10>be banned for all the Friday night shows except for

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<v Speaker 10>Boy Meets World. I know it would be like what

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<v Speaker 10>the you know you would have when we went into

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<v Speaker 10>meetings after Boy Meets World, it would be like, uh,

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<v Speaker 10>like I just don't mention that you were in Boy

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<v Speaker 10>Meets World because it was a kid like it was

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<v Speaker 10>thought of as a kid's ship show. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 10>have really just been so pleased at the lasting power

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<v Speaker 10>of it because, like I I think I rewat it

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<v Speaker 10>now and I'm like, it makes you laugh. I like

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<v Speaker 10>it has heart to it in a way that's not just.

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<v Speaker 3>The adult actors are just amazing, amazing.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, well Feenie is like so good, and I

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<v Speaker 10>think and you guys were so good. Like the chemistry

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<v Speaker 10>with you guys was was so good. And as you

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<v Speaker 10>guys were getting older too, like sometimes child actors don't

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<v Speaker 10>mature into great adult actors, but you all did. Just

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<v Speaker 10>so I want to tell you something. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 10>tell you something. You're too young.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you, you've saved it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're too old.

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<v Speaker 10>You're right right middle, You're right. No, no, you're right

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<v Speaker 10>in the middle of the ages of the Like it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>You saved it.

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<v Speaker 10>Have you saved it? The lead guy is like.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty eight, I'm forty eight.

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<v Speaker 10>You are not forty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>I am forty eight. I just turned forty eight.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh okay, well then see, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Want me go cast your show. You don't want me.

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<v Speaker 10>I hope, like I hope that doesn't get taken out

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<v Speaker 10>of context what I said, I did really like every

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<v Speaker 10>every totally we.

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<v Speaker 5>Are we are No, Laura was so great to see you.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you had a heart out. We wanted to respect.

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<v Speaker 10>Right now because it got real scheduled, so like I

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<v Speaker 10>don't need to keep you guys, but like I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So then why don't you want to something?

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<v Speaker 10>D just went south? But yeah, you guys, you guys

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<v Speaker 10>going back to Boy Meets World. As you matured, you

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<v Speaker 10>were such like you guys could all do comedy, you

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<v Speaker 10>could all do drama, you could all do like play

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<v Speaker 10>any moment like it was just it was great. And

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<v Speaker 10>then so so I really have loved that generations have

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<v Speaker 10>continued to discover it. And I was on a show

1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:33.880
<v Speaker 10>called Mixology. It was a short lived show on ABC.

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<v Speaker 10>It was a half hour drama about people who meet

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<v Speaker 10>in a bar. And there were the more experienced writers

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<v Speaker 10>and then which I was one of at that time,

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<v Speaker 10>and then they brought in some youth because it was

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<v Speaker 10>like the young so that they could talk about what

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<v Speaker 10>it's like going to a bar and hitting on people.

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<v Speaker 10>And so there was a guy on the staff who

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<v Speaker 10>was on Friends, and then there was me and Patty

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<v Speaker 10>on Boy Meets worlds and the youth were like, oh

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<v Speaker 10>you on Friends, that's nice, okay, but you guys were

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<v Speaker 10>on Boy Meets World, so like show. And then at

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<v Speaker 10>that moment, I was like the hipsters because they were

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<v Speaker 10>all like the young woman's world. I think that this

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<v Speaker 10>is going to be a thing. And there was also

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<v Speaker 10>a time Patty sat on a there was a thing

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<v Speaker 10>a bunch of women were talking about, like women's health issues,

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<v Speaker 10>like what we had done some stuff on nine O

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<v Speaker 10>two one OHO with some women's health issues. So so

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<v Speaker 10>it was all of these women writers who were talking

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<v Speaker 10>about how you put women's health issues on shows and stuff,

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<v Speaker 10>and so it was like they all talked about the

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<v Speaker 10>storylines and then the questions opened to the audience. Hey,

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<v Speaker 10>so my question is for Patty Carr, So you wrote

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<v Speaker 10>on boy Meets World. And she was like what and

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<v Speaker 10>that just like everybody just kept happing questions about Boy

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<v Speaker 10>Meets World, boy mes World and yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was like, yeah, we conventions, we have the

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<v Speaker 4>and we have the greatest most loyal fans, greatest fans.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely new fans. My kids have both watched the shows.

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<v Speaker 10>My kids have both watched Boy Meets World. Then Girl

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<v Speaker 10>Meets World, then Boy Meets World again. But just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>they love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great show. We were all lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 5>We are thankful that you came and recapped some of

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<v Speaker 5>your time there with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We would love to have you back.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you stayed with us for seasons five, six,

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<v Speaker 5>and seven, so we will have you back again.

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<v Speaker 10>I'd love to come back. And it's so good to

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<v Speaker 10>see your faces. It was good to see you guys

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<v Speaker 10>on the strike line too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all right, thank you so much, good to see you.

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<v Speaker 10>Bye bye you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, so much fun.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't I can't believe that there wasn't more of

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<v Speaker 5>a episode, like a season arc.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, yeah, I think maybe that was unique

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<v Speaker 1>to season five because you look at season four and

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<v Speaker 1>there were like there were more plans as far as

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<v Speaker 1>but the shake up in the room to start season

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<v Speaker 1>five and the shake up, shake ups in the cast,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of a chaotic. It seemed like it

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<v Speaker 1>was a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Little episode to episode exactly what we said.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wrote, I wrote only a single episode of

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<v Speaker 4>Girl Meets World, but I had to go then after

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<v Speaker 4>when I was pitching the idea and outlining it and

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<v Speaker 4>then writing the script. I had to go to Michael's

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<v Speaker 4>apartment with all the other writers where the entire season

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<v Speaker 4>was laid out. So that was obviously something that they changed,

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<v Speaker 4>because I mean, it was this episode's going to lead

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<v Speaker 4>to this episode, and we read all we read through

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<v Speaker 4>everybody's script. It was like they were all done by

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<v Speaker 4>the time the season started, at least at least four

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<v Speaker 4>you know, move forward enough to know where the storyline

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<v Speaker 4>was going. So maybe it was just the chaos of

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<v Speaker 4>Michael leaving, Michael coming back, you know, Blutman and bus

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<v Speaker 4>Gang taking over them leaving, We're bringing in these characters

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<v Speaker 4>were not that they just kind of went, you know

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<v Speaker 4>it for a season, let's just fly by the seat

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<v Speaker 4>of our pants ours.

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<v Speaker 1>And we kind of caught that vibe a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you've.

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<v Speaker 4>Got that coupled with a brand new director that none

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<v Speaker 4>of us have worked with, who's doing the bulk of

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<v Speaker 4>the shows, at least at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning of the season, you felt.

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<v Speaker 2>That, I mean I felt like a rocky shake up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it did.

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<v Speaker 4>It felt a little discombobulated all the way through, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's catching its stride now, but you felt that at

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning of season five, especially coming off of season.

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<v Speaker 2>Four that was so so serialized.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes that it just yeah, you definitely felt it.

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<v Speaker 4>But the thing that throws me is it also shows

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<v Speaker 4>psychologically how much of a difference there was between us

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<v Speaker 4>and the writers, because when I look at it, Laura

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<v Speaker 4>and I were like basically the same age.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she's a little bit older than me, but

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<v Speaker 3>not much.

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<v Speaker 4>And in my head they were the writers, so she

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<v Speaker 4>was way older than me because she was on the

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<v Speaker 4>writing staff, when.

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<v Speaker 1>Really that wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 4>There were people that were like not that much older

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<v Speaker 4>than us that were helping to write the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so funny.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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