Speaker 1: So if I am, If my wife and I are
Speaker 1: in for the night and it's time to like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna watch a movie or whatever, we typically
Speaker 1: uh change into comfy pants.
Speaker 2: Of course, everyone about that who doesn't.
Speaker 1: Well, I this is only about this is like once
Speaker 1: a week for me. I'm not. I don't even take
Speaker 1: off my boots. How I am.
Speaker 3: I keep my teens on and then yeah.
Speaker 1: But so the other night, I was like, no, it's
Speaker 1: a comfy pants night. And I went in my drawer
Speaker 1: and I pulled out my app prey board.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, okay, explain you explained you started a coy
Speaker 4: maybe a dozen years ago.
Speaker 2: Wait, it was in the nineties.
Speaker 4: It was early two thousand because Greg and I have
Speaker 4: to live with my brother here. Yes, my brother Greg
Speaker 4: spent some time in Thailand and he found these Thai
Speaker 4: fishermen pants, right, which are these big like yoga e
Speaker 4: com sie. You pull them up they are three times
Speaker 4: your size. Then you fold them over and tie them
Speaker 4: off and pants.
Speaker 1: Basically they're so baggy and yes, they're amazing, And.
Speaker 4: We did and we started this company called apprey Board Pants.
Speaker 4: We had about four or five hundred pairs. Explain the
Speaker 4: name oh, so Apprey But you know, so Greg was
Speaker 4: always a bit big into like skiing and surfing and snowboarding.
Speaker 4: So after you would ski, you would you would relax
Speaker 4: and party, and it was called appray ski, Whereas like
Speaker 4: you would go to the bar, you would take off
Speaker 4: your ski trunk, so he wanted to call it Appray board.
Speaker 1: It was after your.
Speaker 4: Boarding, you get to throw on these awesome pants. And
Speaker 4: so we made this company. And this is like all
Speaker 4: pre social media, so we had no real way to
Speaker 4: promote it, but we we you know, built the company.
Speaker 4: We made up catalogs, We had a catalog shoot. I
Speaker 4: think Shiloh's in them at one point in the catalog shoot.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I still have like three hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: bears left.
Speaker 1: They are so well designed because I have, you know,
Speaker 1: from when I went to Thailand. I have like a
Speaker 1: pair of purple Thai Fishermen pants which are just basically
Speaker 1: like a giant piece of fabric and you tie it.
Speaker 1: But you guys had like really nice thin fabric that's
Speaker 1: super soft and huge pockets. Yes, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: I can put books in here. It was perfect.
Speaker 5: This is gonna weigh down the pants that you can Daniel,
Speaker 5: did you gave me a pair? I didn't have a
Speaker 5: pair in the early ots, but you have recently given
Speaker 5: me a pair. Uh, and I love them, But I
Speaker 5: really think you we need to put three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty pairs of those on Pod meets World Show.
Speaker 1: They probably go pretty quickly. Actually, I mean they're.
Speaker 5: Comfortable, they have a piece. They'd have a piece of
Speaker 5: your past history writer Rider and I are only expecting
Speaker 5: our two thirds cuts. No, but seriously, like you, there's
Speaker 5: no people. They're great pants, They're super comfortable. You made
Speaker 5: them in pretty colors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was.
Speaker 4: And you know what was funny is my girlfriend at
Speaker 4: the time was Jen Morrison, who went on to then
Speaker 4: Starr in Once upon a Time and all these big shows,
Speaker 4: and she was like, I'll be in your catalog.
Speaker 1: So it's like she's the catalog model.
Speaker 2: Do you have a copy of the catalog? I think
Speaker 2: I have eight thousand, okay of the mook.
Speaker 1: Because we shouldn't change like we should the business, you know,
Speaker 1: so if you buy a pair of the pants, you
Speaker 1: also get a catalog.
Speaker 6: Or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it's like Shiloh, my brother Greg's in them.
Speaker 1: I can't remember Shiloh is in it?
Speaker 4: My trainer at the time, Scott Dolea is all like,
Speaker 4: we all went to the beach and did this big.
Speaker 1: But you know who else is in them? Darcy, Wow,
Speaker 1: it is it's Shiloh and guys, I'm serious.
Speaker 2: We need to put this on. We need to put
Speaker 2: these up.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, if I told Susan that we were
Speaker 4: getting rid of the oppery board, I think she'd want
Speaker 4: to renew our vows. Like, yeah, they are all perfectly
Speaker 4: still packaged and ready to ship. We've got all of
Speaker 4: them folded and tagged. They're beautiful.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have them in sizes from small to
Speaker 1: very small.
Speaker 2: They're two hundred and fifty dollars each. You can get
Speaker 2: yours now it's a world show.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny. I'm going to need a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a pair to cover the actual cut.
Speaker 2: That So yeah, no, we got your still got a bunch.
Speaker 3: But yes, if you'd like to sell them, they're there,
Speaker 3: so we got we.
Speaker 1: Have the inventory.
Speaker 6: Doble.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked them. That's good. That's good.
Speaker 4: I am the creepy guy, by the way, who will
Speaker 4: lie on my bed watching TV with my jeans and
Speaker 4: my socks and I've been walking around you guys.
Speaker 5: Don't you feel like the germs of the outside are
Speaker 5: on your clothes and like.
Speaker 1: No, no, I feel like if I'm like not wearing
Speaker 1: shoes and socks, I feel like I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: deal with life. It's like it's too and.
Speaker 5: You've got to be ready to deal with life at
Speaker 5: all times.
Speaker 1: You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: We run outside, yeah, sure, okay, but like you could
Speaker 5: still go outside in your appery board pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 5: I am an immediate almost an immediate come when I
Speaker 5: know I don't have to go out anymore, even if
Speaker 5: that's say three pm, if both my kids are home
Speaker 5: from school and we don't have plans to have to
Speaker 5: go to softball but you know, baseball practice or karate
Speaker 5: or something like that. I am an immediate out of
Speaker 5: my outdoor clothes into my indoor closed person. I've only
Speaker 5: recently had to start wearing shoes inside because we have
Speaker 5: hardwood floors in the entirety of our house and I
Speaker 5: developed metal sargia, which is the sargia it's a pain
Speaker 5: in the ball of my foot, and not just necessarily
Speaker 5: in the ball but in any of that part under
Speaker 5: your toes, that that foot pad under your toes.
Speaker 1: See, being barefoot is a really big problem. Do we
Speaker 1: have to update your wiki feet now?
Speaker 2: I do? I have to have hit your wiki feet.
Speaker 7: You know what?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm thinking of getting is those naked feet,
Speaker 5: those shoes that look like feet.
Speaker 1: Oh my friend has those and we're not friends anymore.
Speaker 2: Exactly, That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I don't thinking.
Speaker 5: No one will want to be just for my indoor shoes.
Speaker 5: I have indoor shoes and outdoor shoes.
Speaker 1: So I have plantar fasci itis, but in the.
Speaker 5: Feet of your foot, correct, correct, And so from walking
Speaker 5: around barefoot and hardwood floors for too much. I was
Speaker 5: like reading all about it, like, well, what am I
Speaker 5: going to do about this? And the number one cure
Speaker 5: was icing and wearing shoes, and so I care.
Speaker 3: Never McDonald's.
Speaker 4: It's never McDonald's for donuts, right, exactly, never donuts.
Speaker 1: No, exactly.
Speaker 4: By the way, you went to McDonald's the other day,
Speaker 4: is the chicken Big maca officially out?
Speaker 2: Yet I didn't know. I didn't see that. I did
Speaker 2: not see that on the menu. It wasn't there, Jensen said,
Speaker 2: wasn't there. So welcome to pod meets World.
Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fisher, I'm Writer Strong, and I'm Wilford.
Speaker 7: Hey everyone, Amy Roboch here along with TJ Holmes, and
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Speaker 5: When the name Lara Olsen appeared on the schedule for
Speaker 5: Podmets World, we quickly message Jensen, asking who the heck
Speaker 5: is this guest. Is it some obscure rapper he's trying
Speaker 5: to sneak onto the podcast. Is it a background actor
Speaker 5: who stood by the blood Drive sign once and looked
Speaker 5: directly into the camera. No, it was actually writer Laura Runnels,
Speaker 5: Proving that we aren't the only ones who've grown up
Speaker 5: over the past thirty years. Some of our co workers
Speaker 5: also got married. Laura Runnels now Olsen join the writer's
Speaker 5: room for season five, alongside her writing partner Patricia Carr
Speaker 5: and Dove headfirst into the show with their names attached
Speaker 5: to three important scripts from that season, The Sabrina the
Speaker 5: Teenage Witch, time Traveling tie in Noguts No Cory, the
Speaker 5: Ski Lodge Nightmare for Tapanga, Heartbreak Corey easily one of
Speaker 5: the most discussed episodes of all time, and finally they
Speaker 5: got the teleplay credit for First Girlfriend's Club, the almost
Speaker 5: revenge Murder of Sean in a Scary Boatouse.
Speaker 2: In other words, their impact.
Speaker 5: Was felt immediately Laura would stay with Boy Meets World,
Speaker 5: an early stop on her impressive resume, through season seven,
Speaker 5: and after the finale, she would go on to work
Speaker 5: as a writer, producer, and showrunner on hit after hit,
Speaker 5: from Riba to Private Practice to Life Unexpected to even
Speaker 5: Kim Possible.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I didn't know that cool.
Speaker 5: Finding a gap on her IMDb page is about as
Speaker 5: difficult as finding a casino I haven't been to. And
Speaker 5: now she is working in a whole new nostalgia, tasked
Speaker 5: with rebooting Baywatch for a new generation, something we will
Speaker 5: definitely ask her about, and now with a whole new name.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the podcast, writer Laara Olsen.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, oh.
Speaker 2: Welcome. So good to see you. Good to see you
Speaker 2: guys too.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I feel like we are on set again.
Speaker 5: You haven't changed a day.
Speaker 2: I know well, you guys.
Speaker 10: I watched those three episodes you guys wanted me to watch,
Speaker 10: and I was same to you, like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my god, they look it's so funny.
Speaker 2: It's so good to see you.
Speaker 5: And before we jump into talking about Boy Meets World,
Speaker 5: I want to talk a little bit about the fact
Speaker 5: that your resume looks like you worked exclusively in cartoons
Speaker 5: before you got to us Extreme, Ghostbusters, Jumanji, Cat Dog.
Speaker 5: How did you break into that side of the business
Speaker 5: as a new writer.
Speaker 10: Well, I just got an assistant job, so I like,
Speaker 10: I needed I needed to pay my bills. Somebody said, oh,
Speaker 10: this animation thing, this guy needs an assistant at Sony,
Speaker 10: so I got a job working there. They were like,
Speaker 10: why do you want to work here? Because I had
Speaker 10: I have an MFA from UCLA and playwriting, and I
Speaker 10: was like, I need to pay my bills. So They're
Speaker 10: like okay. But my boss there was very open to
Speaker 10: I was just like, can I come sit in the
Speaker 10: room when you guys are talking? Could I take a
Speaker 10: stab at that seat? So I was just like volunteering
Speaker 10: to do that all the time. And then he was
Speaker 10: really supportive of me and Patty as well. So we
Speaker 10: got like, do you guys want to do an episode?
Speaker 10: And we got put with somebody not of Jumanji, but
Speaker 10: initially this other guy who was really annoyed.
Speaker 2: Wait, so Patty was also working at Sony.
Speaker 10: No, I was, but Patty and I were working together.
Speaker 10: We had done one other job before that, which was
Speaker 10: I don't know, you guys probably don't remember this, but
Speaker 10: there was a USA up all night. Yeah, it's like, oh,
Speaker 10: I forgot who the actress was. But she did these
Speaker 10: little wrap arounds of late night movies on us.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this. I do remember this.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And so we wrote some of those and got
Speaker 10: paid like two hundred dollars. We were like, so, but
Speaker 10: she got us that job. So when I got the animal,
Speaker 10: when I got volunteer, when I got the offer for
Speaker 10: the animation thing, it was.
Speaker 2: You brought her with you.
Speaker 4: Yes, So who was the person at Tony from Animation?
Speaker 1: I'm just curious.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, Ron was there. Like, well, that's how I
Speaker 10: got to cat Dog is through the Sony connections, because
Speaker 10: let's see, I'm not cat Dog. Sorry, Kim Possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I didn't know you wrote it, Kim Possible.
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I knew that.
Speaker 10: That's awesome, but it was that's a small world. So
Speaker 10: like we were even while we were on Boy Meets World,
Speaker 10: we were still writing animation because we needed to like
Speaker 10: bridge the gap of income in between on the hiatus,
Speaker 10: so we would write a few animation things. But yeah,
Speaker 10: so this guy got saddled with and he really wasn't happy.
Speaker 10: It was so clear that he was like, uh, find
Speaker 10: And then we turned in our draft and he was
Speaker 10: like what And we got so much work for him
Speaker 10: from him, so we got That's where. He was an
Speaker 10: editor on Extreme Ghostbusters and he did Starship Troopers and
Speaker 10: he'd like anybody that was ever looking for writers, he
Speaker 10: would recommend us. He did Cat Dog and then he
Speaker 10: knew the guys who were doing Kim Possible, so he
Speaker 10: recommended us over there.
Speaker 5: So you and Patty Patricia Carr were a writing team.
Speaker 5: Did you always want a writing partner? Did you like
Speaker 5: having a writing partner?
Speaker 10: I loved having a writing partner. Patty and I went
Speaker 10: to high school together, so when she moved out here,
Speaker 10: we realized that we were both out here. We were
Speaker 10: very young, and we both wanted to write for TV.
Speaker 10: So we said, let's trade our spec scripts and give
Speaker 10: each other notes, and so we did, and we had
Speaker 10: written the same spec Roseanne like the same a store,
Speaker 10: the same beast story. So we were like, either we're
Speaker 10: both hacks or fine that we should write together. So
Speaker 10: we threw out that we wrote two specs and one
Speaker 10: of them is what got us the job on Boy
Speaker 10: Meets World. I think it was a mad about you
Speaker 10: but we got an agent off of that, and then
Speaker 10: we got a meeting off of that, and we actually
Speaker 10: got called in to meet on you wish Yes, but
Speaker 10: then they said, I think Michael was like, would you
Speaker 10: be interested in being on Boy Meets World? And we're
Speaker 10: like yes, So we ended up getting on Boy Meets
Speaker 10: Worlds and like it all happened pretty quickly once we
Speaker 10: wrote the two new specs that well, yeah.
Speaker 5: For our dear listeners who are not necessarily writers or
Speaker 5: even in the entertainment industry, could you explain how being
Speaker 5: a writing team is different than say, someone whose name
Speaker 5: might appear alone on a script.
Speaker 10: Yes, you split a salary now, and we.
Speaker 2: Were yep, there you go.
Speaker 10: We were We were both aware that at the time
Speaker 10: when we started, women would get hired because they had
Speaker 10: to hire a woman. Yeah, it was like there was
Speaker 10: this mandate of you got to hire a woman.
Speaker 2: There at least needs to be one woman in this room.
Speaker 10: Yes, so we were like, you know what if there's
Speaker 10: two of us. We even had T shirts made with
Speaker 10: two women's holding pens. I wish I still had one
Speaker 10: that said exploit us. So anytime that we had a
Speaker 10: meeting or something, we would leave our T shirt like
Speaker 10: you get two women for the cost of one woman.
Speaker 10: So I don't think that's why we got hired in
Speaker 10: the world. I think they liked cinner material and stuff,
Speaker 10: But I think that that that was our feeling of,
Speaker 10: you know, doing that. And then when you work with
Speaker 10: somebody that you work well with, it's it's nice because
Speaker 10: for many reasons you had, like you have somebody to
Speaker 10: like experience the the success with who's experiencing your same success,
Speaker 10: so that you're not like bragging or you're not like
Speaker 10: you're just you're just like we did we have a success.
Speaker 10: This is exciting.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And then at the same time, when something is annoying,
Speaker 10: you can complain to each other but not get like
Speaker 10: that person's not going to go repeat what you said
Speaker 10: right to somebody else.
Speaker 2: You have a confidant, a built in confidant.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And we really we worked very creatively well together,
Speaker 10: and it made us be able to do things very quickly.
Speaker 10: We wrote a lot of scripts on Boy Meets Worlds
Speaker 10: after our first script that everyone was like excited about,
Speaker 10: like what this doesn't suck yay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I think we experienced that a lot so we could
Speaker 10: write quickly, and so we wrote three or four episodes
Speaker 10: the season that we were there. I think, so great.
Speaker 2: Had you watched Boy Meets World before you came.
Speaker 10: In, No, I hadn't. I knew of it, but I
Speaker 10: was in my twenties, so I was not the target
Speaker 10: audience for it. Every relative I had who was in
Speaker 10: college or younger, I mean I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 10: a couple of years out of college. I wasn't that old.
Speaker 10: But everybody in college or younger, every relative I had.
Speaker 2: Was like, what this is so cool?
Speaker 10: We got so excited. And that's why I don't have
Speaker 10: any of my swag left from the show, because I
Speaker 10: gave it to the to the youngsters. I mean, you know,
Speaker 10: not that much, but like the kids that were like,
Speaker 10: what the jack Like my my young niece wore that jacket.
Speaker 10: You guys remember that jacket? Yeah, so she had that,
Speaker 10: so kudos at school and stuff because of it. But
Speaker 10: they would just like contact me about, oh my god,
Speaker 10: Cory kissed that right. They would just get so excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you remember your first interview? Do you remember interviewing
Speaker 1: for the job I do.
Speaker 10: It was with Mark and Mark Mark Butman and Hard
Speaker 10: best game, Okay, And we went in and they had
Speaker 10: read or we had a Mad about You script and
Speaker 10: they liked it. So we talked about that script and
Speaker 10: then it was there going to be their first time
Speaker 10: running a show, so they were talking about what they
Speaker 10: wanted to do with the show. I mean, it was
Speaker 10: just very friendly. We just all like laughed and talked
Speaker 10: about comedy and about the show. Like I mean, we
Speaker 10: had by that time watched a bunch of episodes, so
Speaker 10: I believe we cause you guys were gonna well Eric,
Speaker 10: Eric had graduated and so it was like we were
Speaker 10: talking about oh and he's going to go to college
Speaker 10: and what they wanted to do with that and stuff
Speaker 10: like that. It was very friendly and it was like
Speaker 10: it was our very first meeting that we had ever
Speaker 10: had to staff, and we felt like, oh, this went well.
Speaker 10: And then like on the drive, like we got an
Speaker 10: offer right away.
Speaker 2: So it did it had Okay, it had gone well.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when you started in season five, Mark and Howard
Speaker 1: were the showrunners. They were running over, yeah, because.
Speaker 10: Michael had gone over to run you wish and Mark
Speaker 10: and Howard were running the show. They had been on
Speaker 10: the whole time, right, they had.
Speaker 1: Been on second second season second Okay.
Speaker 10: So yeah, they were running the show and then they
Speaker 10: left at the point when Michael came back over. Right,
Speaker 10: I wasn't in on whatever like was behind that decision,
Speaker 10: but they but I think like Michael came back over
Speaker 10: to run it and so whatever.
Speaker 2: Whenever that happened in the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again, it happened during the ski Lodge episode,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, Yes.
Speaker 10: Because on the credits when I was watching these episodes again,
Speaker 10: the Valentine's episode they did the story for and then.
Speaker 1: Pat you wrote it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you guys are fast right this one, right, so
Speaker 10: we had their story or like we had there they
Speaker 10: did the outline and.
Speaker 5: You had already written the ski Lodge episode, and so
Speaker 5: they were like, you're the perfect people to fill in now,
Speaker 5: yes and write the second half.
Speaker 4: So wait, writer, then the when because you at one
Speaker 4: point said that Mark and Howard came out and said
Speaker 4: they they were leaving, and they did it, and.
Speaker 3: I think I don't remember the see, so it was
Speaker 3: during which makes sense.
Speaker 1: I remember we were filming an episode, and I probably
Speaker 1: what happened is you wish had been canceled because we're about,
Speaker 1: you know, halfway through the season and they only did
Speaker 1: so many and so Michael was like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: coming back to boy this World, and Mark and Howard
Speaker 1: were like, we're going to go on to other things
Speaker 1: because they wanted to do adult shows anyway, right, So
Speaker 1: they they came and made this like, you know, announcement.
Speaker 1: We kind of all said goodbye and yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: them coming to say and I was like, what, they're
Speaker 1: leaving you? And then Michael was back.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So wait.
Speaker 4: So then as you were writing the Ski Lodge episode, Yes,
Speaker 4: what about.
Speaker 1: Me did you hate?
Speaker 3: And why did you think I was such a bad actor?
Speaker 2: Because he's not in that one.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I'm curious about like decision.
Speaker 10: I'm guessing that you probably I don't remember because it
Speaker 10: was so long ago, but I'm guessing you did have
Speaker 10: a storyline that probably got cut for time that would
Speaker 10: be yes, because we like, like you were so good
Speaker 10: to write for because you could do anything, and as
Speaker 10: a matter of fact, like we would give you stuff
Speaker 10: sometimes it was so ridiculous and you would just be
Speaker 10: like okay, you know, like I like one memory, like
Speaker 10: it didn't end up on the show, but there was
Speaker 10: an episode where everybody you probably I may have talked
Speaker 10: about this when I saw you on the strike line,
Speaker 10: but where Eric doesn't know how to read. I don't
Speaker 10: know if you remember that, but I do table read.
Speaker 10: It was at the team and you were sounding out
Speaker 10: words and you were just like.
Speaker 12: Okay, and you know, like after that table read was
Speaker 12: the only time that you ever were like, so, could
Speaker 12: I not do that storyline?
Speaker 4: We?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean college, I think I know how to read.
Speaker 5: Mister sounds really bad. If Eric doesn't even know how.
Speaker 2: To read, Eric can't read, I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh god.
Speaker 4: That sounds like a very That would have been an
Speaker 4: eighties very special episode back in the day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's funny.
Speaker 4: Oh now, how I mean, if if you, if you'd
Speaker 4: talk about this, because I don't, We don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it didn't at all.
Speaker 3: Did the dynamic in the room change when Mark and
Speaker 3: Howard were no longer running it and Michael came back?
Speaker 10: Well, yes, just in the sense that Michael. It didn't
Speaker 10: change with the rest of the writers. It wasn't like
Speaker 10: it was not like a big oh my, it was
Speaker 10: just sort of it was all handled like I had
Speaker 10: no idea, but I was also the lowest on the
Speaker 10: totem pole at that point, so we were like, oh,
Speaker 10: and then Michael was there. It wasn't like a whole
Speaker 10: scene or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, And it did
Speaker 10: seem like for them they had gotten the show running
Speaker 10: experience out of it and then it was like, yeah,
Speaker 10: like they're moving on just saying they wanted to. They
Speaker 10: were interested in doing more adults, not adult.
Speaker 1: But like grown ups.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Was it collaborative in the room? Did like was everybody
Speaker 5: pitching together? Did you feel welcome as the newer writer
Speaker 5: on the on the cast?
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 10: That is one thing about that show is there was
Speaker 10: not a hierarchy, especially once Michael was there, because it
Speaker 10: was Michael and then it was everybody else. We're all equal,
Speaker 10: and Michael was very, very encouraging of people pitching and
Speaker 10: like there was never any wrong pitch, you know there
Speaker 10: have been in other comedy rooms. It was a very
Speaker 10: it was a very like we worked long hours, but
Speaker 10: it was a very nice room in my experience. I
Speaker 10: was also just Patty and I were so thrilled to
Speaker 10: be there, so we were like we would sweep the
Speaker 10: floors if they need us to.
Speaker 1: Were were you guys the only women?
Speaker 10: No, so Barbie Feldman had also gotten and moved up
Speaker 10: because she had been a Barbie Adler now because she
Speaker 10: had been an assistant to Susan somebody Susan. Yes, she
Speaker 10: was not on the staff when I was there, so
Speaker 10: I didn't know her that well. And then Erica on
Speaker 10: Talfa was a Disney fellow and then she got put
Speaker 10: on the staff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so when did Erica come in? She didn't
Speaker 1: come until like maybe water a fifth season, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think she was fifth or sixth, Like she
Speaker 10: might have been an intern on the fifth season and
Speaker 10: then got putting on put on staff on the sixth. Gotcha?
Speaker 5: Was there a character that spoke most to you, especially
Speaker 5: as one of the you know, rare female voices we
Speaker 5: had on the show. Was there a specific character you
Speaker 5: really like related to or felt like spoke to you?
Speaker 10: Probably? I'm trying to think you guys were all so
Speaker 10: good and easy to write for. That's that's the thing. Like,
Speaker 10: But I think Patty and I were pitching stories for
Speaker 10: Tipanga a lot, like just getting more of the not
Speaker 10: just the girl as a prop, not that the show
Speaker 10: ever did that. But it's like not like, oh, how
Speaker 10: is Topanga going to work into Corey's story, but like, oh,
Speaker 10: what's tapanga side of this too? Yes, what's going on
Speaker 10: with Topanga? I think? And Idelson was also there. I
Speaker 10: just want to.
Speaker 2: We had quite a few Season five, quite a few
Speaker 2: women voices.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so, so I think we brought that sensibility and
Speaker 10: just our experiences in life as women. We were able
Speaker 10: to have Topanga and Angela also have a point of view.
Speaker 1: Men and women have different points of view on stuff.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 10: So and then I guess, yeah, Maitland. What was her
Speaker 10: character's name, Rachel, Rachel. Yeah, I just I think of
Speaker 10: her as Maitland, So yeah, Maitland too once she came
Speaker 10: out because she was season.
Speaker 1: Six, six, six or seven.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, if you watch Dancing with the Stars, I
Speaker 9: can say this and Krena will probably say the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we had great dancing chemistry.
Speaker 9: Then you need to be listening to sex lies and
Speaker 9: spray tend my partner Arden.
Speaker 2: He was so intense that meaning really nervous.
Speaker 1: With Cheryl B. Kenneda didn't wear a lot of clothes.
Speaker 2: No, she was, she did, she did super ankles Warm.
Speaker 9: Get the behind the scenes of what goes down on
Speaker 9: and off the dance floor.
Speaker 11: Dancing with the Stars breaths body image issues for women.
Speaker 1: The thinner you are, the more attention you end up
Speaker 1: getting on that show.
Speaker 9: Injuries my phone wings, Hey Christian, Hey business, Yeah, I
Speaker 9: saw you dancing with the Stars. I saw what happened
Speaker 9: to your arm, and I have the perfect guy.
Speaker 4: To fix it.
Speaker 10: Honestly, got to Clara, I'm trying to survive. I'm just
Speaker 10: trying to like make it out out of this season.
Speaker 1: Ego, she wanted to kill me. It was real bad
Speaker 1: insecurity on the show.
Speaker 11: It was like everyone was talking about my weight and
Speaker 11: it really affected my confidence so much for like years.
Speaker 1: To come, and betrayals.
Speaker 14: Because of that one betrayal, I knew this is probably
Speaker 14: my last season.
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Speaker 5: Okay, so your first episode is season five, episode six,
Speaker 5: No Guts, No Corey and absolutely Insane TGIF tie in
Speaker 5: that involves us time traveling to World War two. This
Speaker 5: had to be the deepest end in all of television
Speaker 5: to jump into what do you remember from that week?
Speaker 10: Well, so it's more than just that story because and
Speaker 10: I don't know if you guys ever knew this before
Speaker 10: there was the Cat tie in. Patty and I had
Speaker 10: outlined a Thanksgiving episode that was like, well, no, we're
Speaker 10: not going to do that. We're not doing Thanksgiving, We're
Speaker 10: going to do a Titanic episode tie in with Titanic.
Speaker 10: But Titanic had not come out. So we did a
Speaker 10: whole thing with Titanic and Corey AND's Panca being on
Speaker 10: Titanic or something, and then they were like, no, Titanic's
Speaker 10: not going to do well, and that was from Disney.
Speaker 10: He's like, oh, that's well, nobody will know what this is.
Speaker 2: No one's going to get that one. That's a flop because.
Speaker 1: The movie was supposed to be a flop because it
Speaker 1: was gone, like everybody's talking about it in Hollywood is
Speaker 1: like a disaster.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that got thrown out, and so then there
Speaker 10: was the crossover episode, and nobody else wanted to do
Speaker 10: that one because because it's crazy Cat traveling through so
Speaker 10: and then not only that, but so then Patty and
Speaker 10: are like we'll do it. But we were also like
Speaker 10: still like our other episodes, like yeah, no Thanksgiving, no Titanic.
Speaker 10: We like, we'll do the crossover. We're fine. And then
Speaker 10: all of the TGIF shows had to pick a time
Speaker 10: period right, and the other shows snapped up the fifties
Speaker 10: and the seventies, and in the nineties.
Speaker 15: They told us we could do the eighties right exactly,
Speaker 15: so we knew, like the eighties like that wasn't a
Speaker 15: thing at that point. We were joking like, oh yeah,
Speaker 15: look at us with our can of new coke, Like, what.
Speaker 1: Are you talking right?
Speaker 2: What's the eighties now?
Speaker 10: Eighties would look like the eighties now, But in the
Speaker 10: nineties it was just like what are you going to
Speaker 10: do in the eighties, we tried to do the twenty
Speaker 10: I think somebody else had done the twent like all
Speaker 10: the interesting decades were gone, so we're like, okay, so
Speaker 10: world Wars. So that's how we got World War Two.
Speaker 10: And also Eric's first storyline on that episode, do you remember.
Speaker 4: That I do this is the one because this is
Speaker 4: the only time I remember coming in and saying okay.
Speaker 10: So then that was yeah, that was the blood And
Speaker 10: then they.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the blood.
Speaker 10: There was a storyline that I don't remember the full
Speaker 10: extent of, but it had to do with Eric thought
Speaker 10: he would do his part by donating blood, and so
Speaker 10: he was just like going, We're like donating lots and
Speaker 10: lots of blood, and there's blood. So there were like
Speaker 10: but that's that was what I remember. We ended up
Speaker 10: having to pull out because it wasn't tasteful or something
Speaker 10: like that.
Speaker 4: Now, so when you were told you could pick your well,
Speaker 4: essentially you have kind of the forties left, so you're
Speaker 4: doing World War two?
Speaker 1: Was this also all based.
Speaker 4: Around the idea that they were going to be pumping
Speaker 4: up a night of Sabrina?
Speaker 1: Right? Yes?
Speaker 10: Yes, Now that was an ABC mandate. Is they wanted
Speaker 10: to do a crossover with the Cat because Sabrina, Like,
Speaker 10: they really liked doing crossovers.
Speaker 2: I think there was there were they liked synergy.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, so they knew they came up with the
Speaker 10: idea that the cat was going to go into every episode. So, uh,
Speaker 10: the cat did? I don't even was was Family Matters?
Speaker 4: No, it was gone by this point. It was gone
Speaker 4: by so we figured out Family Matters had been moved
Speaker 4: to NBC or something prime time. Okay, so that the
Speaker 4: night started with Sabrina and then goes off.
Speaker 3: Then we're next, and then you Wish, You Wish and
Speaker 3: teen Angel.
Speaker 10: Yeah wow, yeah, okay, so you wish I had preference
Speaker 10: over the decade to.
Speaker 2: Boy, yeah, you wish got to pick.
Speaker 1: So we were the only non last, always last. Every
Speaker 1: time we got to pick something, we were always the
Speaker 1: last people.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 10: But you know what, the joke is on everybody because.
Speaker 2: No one talks about those other episode.
Speaker 1: Here we are.
Speaker 3: We're doing a you Wish podcast next, So.
Speaker 2: It's gonna go for one month.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: One thing.
Speaker 10: One thing that we did talk about in the room
Speaker 10: about the forties was oh, this will be great hair.
Speaker 2: For t and wardrobe. Oh yeah, I missed. I missed
Speaker 2: my calling for decades.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: So then your second episode of the season is Heartbreak Cory,
Speaker 5: an incredibly iconic episode and the introduction of the great
Speaker 5: Linda Cardellini as Lauren. The Ski Lodge is quite possibly
Speaker 5: the most mentioned episode to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you remember.
Speaker 5: Where this entire storyline was born? What was the dialogue
Speaker 5: in the writer's room about every aspect of the storyline?
Speaker 10: Okay, I don't know if I have all those details,
Speaker 10: but I know that Patty and I were instrumental in
Speaker 10: pitching like what if he kisses somebody else? Okay, like
Speaker 10: in what that level could be, like is it just
Speaker 10: an emotional thing? Is it actually a kiss? And I
Speaker 10: think it Like one thing that happened to is once.
Speaker 10: Look because we were sitting in the casting room when
Speaker 10: Linda Cartelini came in and everybody was like, oh my god.
Speaker 10: So once she was cast also it was easy to
Speaker 10: see like, oh, she's not a villain. This is like
Speaker 10: that there was a way to play that for like, oh,
Speaker 10: Corey really loves to Panga, but this girl is great,
Speaker 10: So yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.
Speaker 5: Linda herself was one of the reasons we get such
Speaker 5: an episode. One of the things we loved about it
Speaker 5: is that there is no telling from the writing or
Speaker 5: audience reaction to the audience about how they're supposed to
Speaker 5: fit feel She's not supposed to be a villain.
Speaker 2: She is just a.
Speaker 5: Great girl who has real feelings for Corey, and Corey
Speaker 5: has real feelings for her, and you can see how
Speaker 5: they could have a great relationship.
Speaker 2: And is that bad? Is that good?
Speaker 5: We don't It doesn't really lean you one way or
Speaker 5: the other. You have to decide for yourself, which really
Speaker 5: plays in the episode.
Speaker 10: Yes, and I think what you guys were talking about
Speaker 10: before is that appealing to like the sensibility of how
Speaker 10: that would make women go what would I do in
Speaker 10: that situation? Too? So it's not just like, oh, Corey,
Speaker 10: what's you going to do? It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 10: what's Tapanka gonna do?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 10: You know? And really play that and also, oh, we
Speaker 10: understand like Lauren and what she did, and she didn't
Speaker 10: do anything wrong she you know, but.
Speaker 2: We talked about this.
Speaker 6: Right, We talked it on her feelings specifically, the first
Speaker 6: time we walk into the ski lodge, it is Corey
Speaker 6: into Panga together.
Speaker 4: There she is knowingly going after another woman's man.
Speaker 5: But she doesn't have a responsibility to anyone who has
Speaker 5: a responsibility's.
Speaker 10: She is also just doing her job to begin with.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, she's this poor girl is on
Speaker 4: twenty four hour ships.
Speaker 1: She's there for three days strength that's three days straight.
Speaker 10: I noticed that too. Rewatching did not occur to me.
Speaker 4: This poor girl is running the entire lounge by herself
Speaker 4: and now has met this man and has been up.
Speaker 1: For three days. But that's the other thing.
Speaker 4: We talked about, is that that's what great television does.
Speaker 4: I mean, my wife I got again because you hated
Speaker 4: me as an actor and hated my talent. I wasn't
Speaker 4: in this episode. So I got to sit back and
Speaker 4: just watch this as a fan. And I'm not sure
Speaker 4: since it aired if I'd ever seen it. And I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there watching it with my wife, and there was
Speaker 4: times you were pausing it and having these conversations where
Speaker 4: it's like, wait a minute, and then were we looked.
Speaker 1: At each other's like, but that's what That's what good
Speaker 1: TV is supposed to do. You're supposed to have the
Speaker 1: different points of view, You're supposed to have these discussions.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to did she do anything wrong? Okay, who
Speaker 1: was responsible? Well it's his fault, yes, but she was complicit.
Speaker 1: Oh it was great. So fully enjoyed it.
Speaker 10: And you know, I don't know, thinking back to before
Speaker 10: that point, if the show had really done little arcs,
Speaker 10: that that might have been one of the first times
Speaker 10: that there was an arc of are they going to
Speaker 10: like what's happening with them? Are they going to get
Speaker 10: back together? That like stretched over several episodes, and then
Speaker 10: we were doing more of that as the show continued,
Speaker 10: because it worked really well, I think.
Speaker 4: But then okay, so then that leads to my next question,
Speaker 4: which is, because we just watched the next one, you
Speaker 4: did the first First Girlfriend's Club, and so whose idea
Speaker 4: was it to not then make fine being the letter
Speaker 4: the a story of that storyline. It's like you left
Speaker 4: us hanging, and then we wanted to jump into that one,
Speaker 4: and that seemed to be kind of pushed to the
Speaker 4: side and just kind of bracketed the episode. Wait, now
Speaker 4: you remember how that happened?
Speaker 10: No, I because that was in all of the change
Speaker 10: over there.
Speaker 2: Right, the Bluntman and bus gang leading.
Speaker 10: And I think, I think, I think what happened is
Speaker 10: initially I don't know for sure, so this all may
Speaker 10: be not true. So I'm supposing, in combination with like
Speaker 10: deep memory that the Valentine's episode they had wanted to
Speaker 10: do a thing with with Sean and it was like
Speaker 10: a first girl like First Wives Club was.
Speaker 2: A big movie, so doing that.
Speaker 10: And so that had been the focus of that episode.
Speaker 10: But then off of how well the other episode had gone,
Speaker 10: it was like, let's put this in there too, Like
Speaker 10: let's let's gutch on that because it's it's a Valentine's
Speaker 10: Day episode. But we already had like the girl, like
Speaker 10: those three girls, and I think those girls had all
Speaker 10: been former. I wasn't on the shoe, but they had
Speaker 10: all been former, like yeah, ventures Sean's and stuff too,
Speaker 10: So yeah, that would that would be my guess as
Speaker 10: to why that happened. And then we leaned more into
Speaker 10: it moving forward if I'm remembering correctly, because there was
Speaker 10: a episode. Oh yeah, I don't remember all of the
Speaker 10: other ones, but I remember, And then Lauren came back
Speaker 10: at some point.
Speaker 2: Yes, she comes back.
Speaker 5: Now it may be that hindsight is twenty twenty and
Speaker 5: even just based on what you said there, where like, oh,
Speaker 5: this first episode of Corey having this emotional connection and
Speaker 5: a kiss with Lauren felt like it went well, And
Speaker 5: yet in the planning of the season maybe wasn't anticipated
Speaker 5: to be as big of a moment as it turned
Speaker 5: out to be, so much so that the following episode
Speaker 5: was going to be a Sean and Angela Valentine's Day episode.
Speaker 5: But did you feel a lot of pressure tackling such
Speaker 5: a big moment in Corey into Panga's relationship In hindsight,
Speaker 5: of course, it's the most talked about aspect of the
Speaker 5: Corey to Panga relationship.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that we would have known that
Speaker 2: at the time. So did it feel pressure filled?
Speaker 10: I mean, I think the way that we didn't break
Speaker 10: stuff too much in advance on that show, okay, And
Speaker 10: I mean at the time too, like that shows just
Speaker 10: weren't done like that because you had to do so
Speaker 10: many It was just like what's next, what's next with
Speaker 10: the right can we They didn't have the same kind
Speaker 10: of arcs, So I think it was more like a
Speaker 10: standalone situation, especially in sitcom. But I think Michael was
Speaker 10: very aware. I mean, we could hear the audience reaction too,
Speaker 10: so like when we were shooting the show, you were like,
Speaker 10: oh my god.
Speaker 2: Right, people are reacting.
Speaker 10: People are really reacting to this, And so yeah, I
Speaker 10: guess we were following through before it was even on
Speaker 10: the air and following through on that and that was
Speaker 10: probably coming from you know, Michael of like in the
Speaker 10: room too, But like Michael would have been the one
Speaker 10: to go, we got to do, we got to follow
Speaker 10: through on this, and we would all then pitch and
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what the sort of like rules of
Speaker 1: Weymeet's world were like what were the discussions in the
Speaker 1: room as far as like, this is what's going to
Speaker 1: happen with Corey into Panga, this is going to be
Speaker 1: Sean and Angela's storyline. Did you guys have guiding principles
Speaker 1: or sort of like commandments going forward?
Speaker 10: Like with pitching storylines, it worked differently, like when there
Speaker 10: were arcs, then you would pitch you know, like what
Speaker 10: could be the next step in the arc. But otherwise
Speaker 10: a lot of times people would just share stories. And
Speaker 10: I think that's where the people that were like the
Speaker 10: younger people on staff, which I was one of at
Speaker 10: the time, we would pull so many things from our
Speaker 10: lives because we were just high school wasn't that far before.
Speaker 10: So we would talk, oh, our friend had this happened
Speaker 10: in high school? Or this happened in high school, and
Speaker 10: maybe Topanga could have this happen. And then there were
Speaker 10: a lot of there was a lot of you know,
Speaker 10: interact with Feenie. What lesson could Peenie teach everybody? There
Speaker 10: was the family element was important on the show too,
Speaker 10: Like Alan would factor a lot into like, oh, the
Speaker 10: father or son's relationship and then when when Eric and
Speaker 10: Jack and Rachel were there too, that would be like, okay,
Speaker 10: they would have a like that would kind of be
Speaker 10: broken separately. But then sometimes we would come back and
Speaker 10: talk about what about an episode about brothers, Like everybody
Speaker 10: would just kind of pitch. It would be like, do
Speaker 10: you know the term blue skys? Is any bit ever
Speaker 10: use that before?
Speaker 1: Like blue skys?
Speaker 10: Just like pitch anything, like yeah, really see what Yeah they.
Speaker 4: Do at Google where they paint it's the the the
Speaker 4: ceiling is painted blue.
Speaker 1: It's the Blue Sky Room.
Speaker 10: So you go go in there and you're like, what
Speaker 10: about this? What about this? And so? And then when
Speaker 10: something would land that would seem like, oh, this is
Speaker 10: a story, then we would like break it out a
Speaker 10: little bit more like a B story or something like that.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a plan like coming into season five,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the season where this happens
Speaker 1: by the end or no, wow, okay no.
Speaker 10: In fact, the beginning of season five that was when
Speaker 10: Mark and Howard we're doing it for the first time.
Speaker 10: That was just really episode by because those episodes were
Speaker 10: more just like episode by episode. Bob Tischler was new
Speaker 10: on the staff at that point, too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, do you remember a specific storyline or a
Speaker 4: script you really wanted to do where you thought the
Speaker 4: room wanted to do that got you know, traction, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, it's like, no, we're not
Speaker 4: going to do that.
Speaker 10: Well the Thanksgiving episode, I don't even remember what the
Speaker 10: story was, but we liked it, and then it was
Speaker 10: for whatever reason, like Thanksgiving was.
Speaker 1: Not happening, Thanksgiving's not hit fit Like, yeah, ABC, I.
Speaker 10: Think it was like, we don't want to do Thanksgiving
Speaker 10: episode because then it's like a syndication thing.
Speaker 2: Like they want Evergreen.
Speaker 10: Yes, exactly, but we liked whatever we had done on
Speaker 10: that outline. But usually I feel like there was one
Speaker 10: episode and I don't know which one it was, that
Speaker 10: that was kind of far along in the process and
Speaker 10: ABC was like, you know what, we changed our mind,
Speaker 10: we don't want to do that episode. It was I
Speaker 10: don't think it was one I was writing, and so
Speaker 10: then we had to start a starting over doing another.
Speaker 4: Oh, he dick, What's what's the craziest pitch for one
Speaker 4: of the characters of Boy Meets World that you remember?
Speaker 4: Because Eric not being able to read is a pretty guy.
Speaker 4: I apparently got all the way to the table read,
Speaker 4: which is I.
Speaker 10: Still remember you sounding out words and I forget I
Speaker 10: think Shack taught you, like Jack was going to teach
Speaker 10: you to read or something like that, and you were like,
Speaker 10: reading is fun. Wasn't the lesson you took away? That
Speaker 10: was probably the craziest, the craziest, and that I can
Speaker 10: remember because afterwards it was like all of the writers
Speaker 10: were like what were we all thinking?
Speaker 2: How did we let this go?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because read Eric's like reading his acceptance letter to college,
Speaker 4: He's reading, He's doing all these different things, so oh god.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, And like in the room too, we would
Speaker 10: do table reads in the room, like Michael would always
Speaker 10: play Corey, like Barbie would always play Topanga, like we
Speaker 10: all had. I don't even remember who I ever was,
Speaker 10: Like I think I got switched around to different things,
Speaker 10: but who played who played shot?
Speaker 4: Matt Nelson played Eric Eric.
Speaker 10: I think when Mark and Howard were there, Mark played Eric.
Speaker 10: Mark and Howard would both play Eric, and I think
Speaker 10: Manel played Erek.
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 10: I think like Eric was just like all the work.
Speaker 10: But what like I would just do like, oh to
Speaker 10: Panga's mom, you're his mom, you know, or stage directions
Speaker 10: or something, but we read it in the room with
Speaker 10: the right Eric doesn't know how to read, and we're still.
Speaker 5: Like, that's definitely one of those slap happy things that
Speaker 5: you guys are cracking up at and you're going, we
Speaker 5: have to keep it in. It's so goofy, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: And then of course you at the table read and
Speaker 5: you go, ABC's never going to let us put this
Speaker 5: on the air.
Speaker 1: Let's say it was also.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quite seriously.
Speaker 10: There was also there was one and I don't remember
Speaker 10: what season is Michael's Kids. There was one thing where
Speaker 10: there was like a writer's room for someone. Yes, okay,
Speaker 10: there was a writer's room and the writers were all
Speaker 10: so young and Michael's kids were going to be the
Speaker 10: writers and Jeff's kid and we were there until I
Speaker 10: think three in the morning pitching lines so that could
Speaker 10: have a write a line, oh boy, And and the
Speaker 10: kids were so nervous, like on the day, I think
Speaker 10: the kids were so nervous. But it was, you know,
Speaker 10: Michael really wanted all the kids to have an equally
Speaker 10: excellent line, and there were four of them, so it
Speaker 10: was something about like you guys are.
Speaker 5: Yes, and then probably no one got their line out
Speaker 5: on the day because then we all have.
Speaker 10: To rewrite it.
Speaker 1: Anyway, a bunch of writers having to pitch lines for
Speaker 1: writers on a TV show who are going to be
Speaker 1: played by children.
Speaker 10: Yes, like but that like the thing was when we
Speaker 10: had to be there late like that, there was always
Speaker 10: like some food of some kind.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, They said you, well, yeah.
Speaker 10: Get some excellent food from somewhere.
Speaker 2: And that was your that was your recompensation.
Speaker 4: Okay, So you're in the room the first time you
Speaker 4: hear Corey and Topanga are going to be married. Yes,
Speaker 4: how does that go over? And what do you feel
Speaker 4: about that situation?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 10: I wrote that episode two, which you probably did, you know, Okay,
Speaker 10: I think that got floated and I don't remember who
Speaker 10: floated it, and it seemed like that makes sense. Like
Speaker 10: and also though, if we're going to get them married,
Speaker 10: they should stay married. So and we had to run
Speaker 10: it by is ABC okay with them getting married because
Speaker 10: like we weren't. The feeling I think was, let's not
Speaker 10: get them married and have them break up and get
Speaker 10: back together again, right right?
Speaker 5: Because are we comfortable saying they're going to be married
Speaker 5: for the rest of the run of the show.
Speaker 10: Right, because that's not fun when people are breaking up,
Speaker 10: that's fun.
Speaker 2: That's fun when it's not as serious.
Speaker 10: Yes, And we also knew and they're not going to
Speaker 10: have a baby, like, we don't want anybody to be
Speaker 10: having a baby. That's not fun to see. We don't
Speaker 10: want to necessarily be pregnant to Panga, you know. Like
Speaker 10: so I think it felt like the fans would probably
Speaker 10: enjoy it in a sort of like wish fulfilly kind
Speaker 10: of way of like, oh, they love each other and
Speaker 10: they get married in college and it's so great, And
Speaker 10: I think that was that was true.
Speaker 1: And we also there was no pushback.
Speaker 4: There weren't other people going like, you can't marry they're eighteen,
Speaker 4: they just graduated high school, we can't marry them off.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think we had all of those conversations,
Speaker 10: and that's what the parents represent, you know, just like yeah,
Speaker 10: and also just the idea of when you're young, and
Speaker 10: we were young too, but like you do these things.
Speaker 10: The grown ups in the room had the perspective of
Speaker 10: you don't know what you're getting into when you get
Speaker 10: married at nineteen years old, but the younger staff members
Speaker 10: were like, well, yeah, but you also like I could see,
Speaker 10: I could see I could see having done that. I
Speaker 10: didn't hear, you know, but like you do those kinds
Speaker 10: of things because you do feel like it's going to
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Speaker 5: I want to go back to First Girlfriend's Club for
Speaker 5: a second, because this was something we talked about when
Speaker 5: we watched the episode. What would the outcome have had
Speaker 5: been if no one showed up for Sean?
Speaker 2: What were the girls going to do?
Speaker 10: I think when I rewatched it, it was also like, yeah,
Speaker 10: I think the goal was save Angela from being in
Speaker 10: a relationship with this guy who's just going to break
Speaker 10: his break her heart.
Speaker 5: Right, But so what were they going to make Sean do? Say, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'll break up with Angela.
Speaker 10: Just like keep him from showing up on the date.
Speaker 10: Then she would get mad and realize, oh, he breaks
Speaker 10: his promises, okay, so that he would he would break up.
Speaker 10: I don't think they were gonna they were handcuffing that
Speaker 10: to like hurt him, but to just hold him in place.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: It's still more believable than ordering ten dozen roses the
Speaker 4: night of Valentine's Day to Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Okay, one other, one other question.
Speaker 5: And it makes sense now knowing that it was an
Speaker 5: idea started by Mark and Howard and then got handed
Speaker 5: off to you to finish writing. But another major plot
Speaker 5: hole that that we noticed is that Angela sent the
Speaker 5: bouquet to the guy's apartment and Sean reads the note
Speaker 5: out loud, no Angela, and then the guys go without
Speaker 5: Angela to the boat house and Angela goes, why don't
Speaker 5: they take Angela with them?
Speaker 2: And go, wait, he's meeting you at the boat house.
Speaker 10: I don't know, Okay, I don't know because my husband
Speaker 10: and I watched all the episodes and we were both like,
Speaker 10: why were they We must not mention this. Yeah, we
Speaker 10: got to sneak off right away and deal with that
Speaker 10: without involving her, like why why.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was We were like, wait a minute.
Speaker 5: So knowing now, I'm really glad that that that we
Speaker 5: talked about, that that this was when Mark and Howard left,
Speaker 5: because we also that was a that was a plot
Speaker 5: hole for us in even just the history of Boy
Speaker 5: Meets World.
Speaker 2: We knew they leave at some point.
Speaker 5: I wonder if we'll know when that was when the
Speaker 5: season comes around, and now we know, so, okay, then
Speaker 5: you leave us after Boy Meets World is over, and
Speaker 5: you basically never stop working. You have a small return
Speaker 5: to some animated projects, including Vickim Possible show we talked
Speaker 5: about in two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and two.
Speaker 5: But then you find yourself on the very successful Reba.
Speaker 2: Were you happy to get back onto a sitcom?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we we we went boy Meets World
Speaker 10: and we did a show called Daddio.
Speaker 2: Oh okay or was that No?
Speaker 10: That was Daddy. We did Daddio. So we did have
Speaker 10: a show in between, and for some reason that doesn't
Speaker 10: always show up on IMDb, but Daddy always just have
Speaker 10: a season. So we did some more animation to fill
Speaker 10: in the income the gap. Yeah, and then we did
Speaker 10: Riba for five years then till death, and then we
Speaker 10: didn't get staffed. So that was eleven years of sitcom
Speaker 10: and then we switched over to hour long, but we
Speaker 10: went onto Reba was created by Alison Gibson Montgomery, who
Speaker 10: came on on season six a Boy Meets World. She
Speaker 10: actually brought some people that she had liked working with
Speaker 10: on Boy Meets When Ellen and Rob left Boy Meets World,
Speaker 10: Allison came in. Allison was on season six and seven.
Speaker 10: She created Riba, and she brought Patty and I and
Speaker 10: also Gary Miller. I think that was the only people
Speaker 10: from Boy. So we went over onto Riba and so
Speaker 10: it was like it was really fun. That was a
Speaker 10: really fun show where I have had really great experiences
Speaker 10: on sitcoms, like I've been like with the casts especially
Speaker 10: most of the shows that I worked on had tremendous
Speaker 10: not just talent, but just lovely people, you know, So
Speaker 10: that it was it was fun to go to set.
Speaker 10: It was fun to talk to the actors. It was
Speaker 10: very collaborative. It was like a mutual respects back and forth,
Speaker 10: like we know what they can do, they trust. I
Speaker 10: don't know that I'm that I'm correct. You guys may
Speaker 10: have all been like, what are they thinking? Like that
Speaker 10: you trusted you guys were, Yes, but that you that
Speaker 10: you trusted also that we were going to fix something
Speaker 10: if it wasn't working. Yes, So that that Riba had
Speaker 10: that also in Daddio, which was short lived, which just
Speaker 10: didn't get the viewership to stay on the air, but
Speaker 10: it was the same thing there. So yeah, I really
Speaker 10: like working on sitcoms and switched over to hour long
Speaker 10: because there were just fewer of them. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 10: then yeah, and when I look at the shows like
Speaker 10: the lasting popularity of Boy Meets World and of Riba.
Speaker 10: I go, why aren't people making sitcoms right? Because they're
Speaker 10: hugely they're you know, they just they when it takes
Speaker 10: a while to necessarily nail one down that has the
Speaker 10: right chemistry, because you really have to have that chemistry
Speaker 10: with the with the cast. But when you get that,
Speaker 10: there's nothing like it. Its like you feel like you
Speaker 10: know them in a way that I don't think that
Speaker 10: you have that even with great dramas. I don't feel
Speaker 10: like I know the people in succession like they're my friends,
Speaker 10: like I like watch them, but it's not, you know, well.
Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons unfortunate is all the
Speaker 4: greatest sitcoms of all time, like literally you're talking about
Speaker 4: the Office and Mash and Cheers, all of them needed
Speaker 4: a time to build their audience, Seinfeld, These shows that
Speaker 4: are almost going to be canceled, every single one of them,
Speaker 4: and nobody gives anything the time to grow anymore. So
Speaker 4: if it's not not a hit on the second night,
Speaker 4: you're done. And it's like, that's just not how sitcom works.
Speaker 4: You gotta you build your audience, You move a night,
Speaker 4: you do this, you find and then you get these
Speaker 4: huge hits and they just don't allow anything to grow anymore.
Speaker 10: So no, and you also have to for live comedy
Speaker 10: like that, you start to learn on the staff. And
Speaker 10: when we came on Boy Meets World, we already knew
Speaker 10: because you guys, it was established. But it takes a
Speaker 10: minute to see what the actors do really well because
Speaker 10: and then you start writing for the actors, and then
Speaker 10: you also start to see, oh, I was wouldn't have
Speaker 10: anticipated that dynamic, you know, between these two, like they're
Speaker 10: funny when they're like trying to do a project together,
Speaker 10: Like all of these things that you find over the
Speaker 10: course of say, I don't know, it's not that many episodes,
Speaker 10: but like seven eight episodes you started. Oh, it takes
Speaker 10: a little while to get that, to get that going,
Speaker 10: and at the same time that the audience is getting
Speaker 10: to know the show.
Speaker 5: And you have to do that for every season because
Speaker 5: at the start of every season, now you've aged up,
Speaker 5: you've added a new character, and now you have to
Speaker 5: like reconc figure what are those dynamics and how is
Speaker 5: this all working?
Speaker 2: What's what's funny here?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 2: Do you still work with Patty?
Speaker 10: No, I mean Patty and I are still friends. We
Speaker 10: stopped writing together I guess it's about seven years now,
Speaker 10: because when you split a salary, it's fine when there's
Speaker 10: twenty two to twenty four episodes, but there's things were
Speaker 10: going to even network shows were like, yeah, twelve episodes,
Speaker 10: ten episodes, like, it's just not sustainable of a way
Speaker 10: to earn a living. And so we split very amicably.
Speaker 10: But I see her. I see her fairly often. I
Speaker 10: saw her. Wee can have ago, We go to lunch
Speaker 10: all the time, we talk on the phone, so it's
Speaker 10: it's and we really enjoyed working in comedy, and we
Speaker 10: liked working an hour long too, but our heart was
Speaker 10: always with live comedy. There's something that's just so great
Speaker 10: about that audience feedback. And with my masters in play writing,
Speaker 10: that's what I always wrote that. It's why I went
Speaker 10: into TV. I would write half hour long comedies that
Speaker 10: took place on one set and I wasn't thinking about that.
Speaker 10: That's just what I would end up doing when I
Speaker 10: was writing, and I because and then I would go here,
Speaker 10: and there's just something like it's that laughter when it's
Speaker 10: my words but it's not me, and that the actors
Speaker 10: are taking it and making it so much funnier than
Speaker 10: I could have even imagined, and the director is involved
Speaker 10: it like there's something that's just so I don't feeling fulfilling.
Speaker 10: But it's even more than that. It's just it's just
Speaker 10: like it's not transcendent, because that sounds like, well it's not.
Speaker 10: It's not transcendent something, but it's it's it's so wonderful
Speaker 10: to have that immediate reaction. It feels like love is
Speaker 10: what it feels like.
Speaker 1: You were you a television fan growing up? Yes, what
Speaker 1: were your favorite jokes?
Speaker 10: Well, I would sneak to watch a lot of shows.
Speaker 10: I liked Charlie's Angels, and my dad would only let
Speaker 10: me watch I had, Like he would circle in the
Speaker 10: TV guide today you have one half hour. So I
Speaker 10: would watch like the first half hour of Charlie's Angels.
Speaker 10: Then I would arrange mirrors, like to reflect a TV
Speaker 10: in a room, and I would pretend like I'm in
Speaker 10: the bathroom, but really I'm like watching the mirrors. And
Speaker 10: Three's Company another one that I wasn't supposed to watch
Speaker 10: because it was you know, men and an adult living together. Yeah,
Speaker 10: but I would. My brother was sick and so my
Speaker 10: parents would have to go take him when they were
Speaker 10: learning to do dialysis for him, so opportunity. While they
Speaker 10: were gone, you'd watch eight hours of TV the company
Speaker 10: was running. In the mornings. I would watch that. I
Speaker 10: Love Lucy, always watch that. The Jeffersons. Every day school.
Speaker 10: I would come home, watch one episode of The Jeffersons
Speaker 10: and then go do my homework. So, yeah, I like
Speaker 10: all uh Gomer Pyle used to rerun I don't know
Speaker 10: if that's funny at all. Brady Bunch I loved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were old school sitcom.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I wouldn't watch for like, you know, fifteen
Speaker 10: hours or something, but it would just be like, oh,
Speaker 10: this is on, Yeah after school, I'll watch with my
Speaker 10: grandma for an hour. I'll watch on my own. My
Speaker 10: parents loved Mary Tyler Moore and Bob Newhart, so we
Speaker 10: would watch those Like those would just go over my head.
Speaker 10: I didn't understand why they were funny when I was little,
Speaker 10: but I loved watching them. But yeah, like a little
Speaker 10: bit of mash but that was really over my head.
Speaker 10: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: So when you when you graduated with your MFA and
Speaker 1: you decided to try your hand at writing a you know,
Speaker 1: half hour sitcom, did it just come instinctually or were
Speaker 1: you aware of like oh I need to learn this
Speaker 1: ructure or break this down or was it just in you.
Speaker 10: It was a sort of a combination of both. Like
Speaker 10: you get a hold of scripts and you look at, okay,
Speaker 10: how long is it? How is it formatted? But I
Speaker 10: had like oh, Roseanne was another one I watched a
Speaker 10: lot and mad about you. But you would just watch
Speaker 10: them get a sense for like, okay, what what do
Speaker 10: they do with this show? You know, who has a
Speaker 10: story in the B story? How many beats? How many
Speaker 10: pages does it have to be? What breaks look like?
Speaker 10: And then you would just imitate it right. But with
Speaker 10: the with the ability to write comedy, which I think
Speaker 10: is there's a musicality in to it. And that's how
Speaker 10: I can usually tell because after a while, when you
Speaker 10: write comedy, you don't really know when you've read it
Speaker 10: again and again and again, you're like, I don't know
Speaker 10: if it's funny, So I have to rely on that.
Speaker 10: It's like this this rhythm yea, they go like okay,
Speaker 10: and when I think, oh, something's not working there, it's
Speaker 10: because there's like one little beat missing. So that's where
Speaker 10: the instinctive stuff comes in.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk Baywatch for a second.
Speaker 5: It has been in the news all month because of
Speaker 5: the documentary, but you have been tasked with show running
Speaker 5: the reboot, which is a massive job and dare I
Speaker 5: say a little bit of a tricky one in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. So what can we expect from the return
Speaker 5: of the red bathing suit.
Speaker 10: Well, it is not picked up. I'm writing the pilot.
Speaker 10: I'm actually I don't even know what I'm supposed to say.
Speaker 10: I'm writing the second episode right now, okay, because that's
Speaker 10: part of like the whole thing. I usually read a
Speaker 10: pilot and then you write a second episode and then
Speaker 10: they decide. So when my agent approached me and said,
Speaker 10: would you be interested in readbooting Baywatch? I was like
Speaker 10: yes because and then I was like, what I remember
Speaker 10: about Baywatch was, oh, here they are on the beach,
Speaker 10: Like this is just like a happy, a happy thing
Speaker 10: that I watch.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 10: After I was cocktail way sing at the Laugh Factory,
Speaker 10: I would come home and I would turn on Baywatch
Speaker 10: and it was just like, oh, okay, here I am
Speaker 10: watching Baywatch. And I didn't really remember any specifics, but
Speaker 10: I do remember people in red bathing suits.
Speaker 3: Slow motion running on the beach, Ye running on the beach.
Speaker 10: So I wanted to capture that element of nostalgia. I
Speaker 10: wanted to come into it from a female perspective, so
Speaker 10: I won't give anything away there, but I wanted to
Speaker 10: be like, Okay, a woman, let's what's the woman coming
Speaker 10: into this? And then I just I wanted to I said,
Speaker 10: I wanted to make it more diverse, like not just
Speaker 10: the diversity of the cast, but the diversity of the
Speaker 10: kinds of beaches that there are. It's not just right,
Speaker 10: you know, there's Malibu, but there's also Venice and there's
Speaker 10: also Santa Monica, just like more just make it contemporary
Speaker 10: that way, and then base everything on characters like that
Speaker 10: we care about the character and that that's really what
Speaker 10: was driving the show in my pitch of what I
Speaker 10: wanted to do with it, And just make everybody very
Speaker 10: real and it's a grounded soap, but still have humor,
Speaker 10: have action, have people making mistakes, like just make them
Speaker 10: real people. And I wanted everybody that was a lifeguard
Speaker 10: to be there for a personal reason, not just because
Speaker 10: they look good in a bathing suit, because like peop
Speaker 10: look good in a bathing suit, but like you know,
Speaker 10: so like, oh what drew people? Because when you learn
Speaker 10: a little bit more about it, lifeguarding is really it's
Speaker 10: mostly you know, you're helping somebody stepped down a sting, right,
Speaker 10: But then it's dangerous, like you're risking life and you
Speaker 10: have to be ready to risk your life. And it's
Speaker 10: actually goes through the it's a branch of the fire department.
Speaker 10: And I don't know if it's a branch, if that's
Speaker 10: the right word, but it is maybe a subdivision, yes,
Speaker 10: So so like that's a it's a calling for the
Speaker 10: people that do it part time, for the kids that
Speaker 10: are in the summer and stuff. A not isn't necessarily calling,
Speaker 10: but it's like a it's a career. And so I
Speaker 10: just you know, wanted to lean on Diress a little
Speaker 10: bit too and just be a show that you were
Speaker 10: tying into the characters. But then it was also fun
Speaker 10: to watch because it's the beaches are beautiful and the action,
Speaker 10: the action is exciting, and so so far it's been
Speaker 10: a really like it's the development process always takes things
Speaker 10: a little bit like it's a winding path. But the
Speaker 10: core of what I pitched, and I pitched something not
Speaker 10: to try to get the job. So I pitched something
Speaker 10: that I would be like, I would be interested in
Speaker 10: writing this, and I could write this, so what would
Speaker 10: I want to do. So that that was my approach,
Speaker 10: and I just kept being surprised that I was making
Speaker 10: it to the next level because I was like, this
Speaker 10: is a huge property. Yeah, oh okay, yeah, I'll go like,
Speaker 10: I will go now talk to this person. Okay, I
Speaker 10: will do a little bit more and come back in
Speaker 10: and talk to Oh okay, I will you know. So,
Speaker 10: and then it was down to the final few people
Speaker 10: and I was pitching it to Fox and I was
Speaker 10: just like, and there's no way I'm getting this, And
Speaker 10: then I did. And it wasn't because I don't didn't
Speaker 10: believe in myself or anything. It was just like, this
Speaker 10: is such an iconic right right sho, So I like,
Speaker 10: surely many people will want to do this show. There's
Speaker 10: like a lot of good writers out there. So yeah,
Speaker 10: so I have been I have really I have really
Speaker 10: liked the process so far, and I don't know when
Speaker 10: I will find out if it's picked up or not.
Speaker 5: Well, congratulations on getting this far and we look forward
Speaker 5: to the announcement that it's making it to air, we
Speaker 5: will all celebrate you all.
Speaker 4: Is it about middle aged X smokers who are horribly
Speaker 4: out of shape trying to run?
Speaker 16: So I first, okay, I actually I actually did like
Speaker 16: check and see how like oh could I looked at
Speaker 16: all of you guys to see like their thing.
Speaker 2: And we didn't get putting that in bathing Zoo. It's
Speaker 2: really great talking to you.
Speaker 5: So coming onto the show in season five, here we are.
Speaker 5: Did you ever think we would still be talking about
Speaker 5: Boy Meets World years?
Speaker 10: And I am so thrilled because I loved working on
Speaker 10: the show and at the time when we were on
Speaker 10: the show, like I don't think that ABC understood we
Speaker 10: were in the top ten when I was season five,
Speaker 10: season six, we were in the Sometimes it would be
Speaker 10: like number three for the week is Boy Meets World,
Speaker 10: And then we were somehow not promoted, like there would
Speaker 10: be banned for all the Friday night shows except for
Speaker 10: Boy Meets World. I know it would be like what
Speaker 10: the you know you would have when we went into
Speaker 10: meetings after Boy Meets World, it would be like, uh,
Speaker 10: like I just don't mention that you were in Boy
Speaker 10: Meets World because it was a kid like it was
Speaker 10: thought of as a kid's ship show. Yeah, so I
Speaker 10: have really just been so pleased at the lasting power
Speaker 10: of it because, like I I think I rewat it
Speaker 10: now and I'm like, it makes you laugh. I like
Speaker 10: it has heart to it in a way that's not just.
Speaker 3: The adult actors are just amazing, amazing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, well Feenie is like so good, and I
Speaker 10: think and you guys were so good. Like the chemistry
Speaker 10: with you guys was was so good. And as you
Speaker 10: guys were getting older too, like sometimes child actors don't
Speaker 10: mature into great adult actors, but you all did. Just
Speaker 10: so I want to tell you something. I'm going to
Speaker 10: tell you something. You're too young.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, you've saved it.
Speaker 1: You're too old.
Speaker 10: You're right right middle, You're right. No, no, you're right
Speaker 10: in the middle of the ages of the Like it's like.
Speaker 2: You saved it.
Speaker 10: Have you saved it? The lead guy is like.
Speaker 1: Forty eight, I'm forty eight.
Speaker 10: You are not forty eight.
Speaker 3: I am forty eight. I just turned forty eight.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, well then see, you don't.
Speaker 1: Want me go cast your show. You don't want me.
Speaker 10: I hope, like I hope that doesn't get taken out
Speaker 10: of context what I said, I did really like every
Speaker 10: every totally we.
Speaker 5: Are we are No, Laura was so great to see you.
Speaker 5: I know you had a heart out. We wanted to respect.
Speaker 10: Right now because it got real scheduled, so like I
Speaker 10: don't need to keep you guys, but like I'm fine.
Speaker 3: Okay, So then why don't you want to something?
Speaker 10: D just went south? But yeah, you guys, you guys
Speaker 10: going back to Boy Meets World. As you matured, you
Speaker 10: were such like you guys could all do comedy, you
Speaker 10: could all do drama, you could all do like play
Speaker 10: any moment like it was just it was great. And
Speaker 10: then so so I really have loved that generations have
Speaker 10: continued to discover it. And I was on a show
Speaker 10: called Mixology. It was a short lived show on ABC.
Speaker 10: It was a half hour drama about people who meet
Speaker 10: in a bar. And there were the more experienced writers
Speaker 10: and then which I was one of at that time,
Speaker 10: and then they brought in some youth because it was
Speaker 10: like the young so that they could talk about what
Speaker 10: it's like going to a bar and hitting on people.
Speaker 10: And so there was a guy on the staff who
Speaker 10: was on Friends, and then there was me and Patty
Speaker 10: on Boy Meets worlds and the youth were like, oh
Speaker 10: you on Friends, that's nice, okay, but you guys were
Speaker 10: on Boy Meets World, so like show. And then at
Speaker 10: that moment, I was like the hipsters because they were
Speaker 10: all like the young woman's world. I think that this
Speaker 10: is going to be a thing. And there was also
Speaker 10: a time Patty sat on a there was a thing
Speaker 10: a bunch of women were talking about, like women's health issues,
Speaker 10: like what we had done some stuff on nine O
Speaker 10: two one OHO with some women's health issues. So so
Speaker 10: it was all of these women writers who were talking
Speaker 10: about how you put women's health issues on shows and stuff,
Speaker 10: and so it was like they all talked about the
Speaker 10: storylines and then the questions opened to the audience. Hey,
Speaker 10: so my question is for Patty Carr, So you wrote
Speaker 10: on boy Meets World. And she was like what and
Speaker 10: that just like everybody just kept happing questions about Boy
Speaker 10: Meets World, boy mes World and yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was like, yeah, we conventions, we have the
Speaker 4: and we have the greatest most loyal fans, greatest fans.
Speaker 10: Absolutely new fans. My kids have both watched the shows.
Speaker 10: My kids have both watched Boy Meets World. Then Girl
Speaker 10: Meets World, then Boy Meets World again. But just like, yeah,
Speaker 10: they love it.
Speaker 2: It was a great show. We were all lucky to
Speaker 2: be a part of it.
Speaker 5: We are thankful that you came and recapped some of
Speaker 5: your time there with us.
Speaker 2: We would love to have you back.
Speaker 5: I know you stayed with us for seasons five, six,
Speaker 5: and seven, so we will have you back again.
Speaker 10: I'd love to come back. And it's so good to
Speaker 10: see your faces. It was good to see you guys
Speaker 10: on the strike line too.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, thank you so much, good to see you.
Speaker 10: Bye bye you guys.
Speaker 2: Oh man, so much fun.
Speaker 5: I can't I can't believe that there wasn't more of
Speaker 5: a episode, like a season arc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think maybe that was unique
Speaker 1: to season five because you look at season four and
Speaker 1: there were like there were more plans as far as
Speaker 1: but the shake up in the room to start season
Speaker 1: five and the shake up, shake ups in the cast,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a chaotic. It seemed like it
Speaker 1: was a little.
Speaker 2: Little episode to episode exactly what we said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wrote, I wrote only a single episode of
Speaker 4: Girl Meets World, but I had to go then after
Speaker 4: when I was pitching the idea and outlining it and
Speaker 4: then writing the script. I had to go to Michael's
Speaker 4: apartment with all the other writers where the entire season
Speaker 4: was laid out. So that was obviously something that they changed,
Speaker 4: because I mean, it was this episode's going to lead
Speaker 4: to this episode, and we read all we read through
Speaker 4: everybody's script. It was like they were all done by
Speaker 4: the time the season started, at least at least four
Speaker 4: you know, move forward enough to know where the storyline
Speaker 4: was going. So maybe it was just the chaos of
Speaker 4: Michael leaving, Michael coming back, you know, Blutman and bus
Speaker 4: Gang taking over them leaving, We're bringing in these characters
Speaker 4: were not that they just kind of went, you know
Speaker 4: it for a season, let's just fly by the seat
Speaker 4: of our pants ours.
Speaker 1: And we kind of caught that vibe a little bit.
Speaker 1: And when you've.
Speaker 4: Got that coupled with a brand new director that none
Speaker 4: of us have worked with, who's doing the bulk of
Speaker 4: the shows, at least at the.
Speaker 1: Beginning of the season, you felt.
Speaker 2: That, I mean I felt like a rocky shake up.
Speaker 1: Yes it did.
Speaker 4: It felt a little discombobulated all the way through, and
Speaker 4: it's catching its stride now, but you felt that at
Speaker 4: the beginning of season five, especially coming off of season.
Speaker 2: Four that was so so serialized.
Speaker 3: Yes that it just yeah, you definitely felt it.
Speaker 4: But the thing that throws me is it also shows
Speaker 4: psychologically how much of a difference there was between us
Speaker 4: and the writers, because when I look at it, Laura
Speaker 4: and I were like basically the same age.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's a little bit older than me, but
Speaker 3: not much.
Speaker 4: And in my head they were the writers, so she
Speaker 4: was way older than me because she was on the
Speaker 4: writing staff, when.
Speaker 1: Really that wasn't the case.
Speaker 4: There were people that were like not that much older
Speaker 4: than us that were helping to write the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so funny.
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