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Speaker 12: the only time that you ever were like, so, could

444
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Speaker 12: I not do that storyline?

445
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Speaker 4: We?

446
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean college, I think I know how to read.

447
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 5: Mister sounds really bad. If Eric doesn't even know how.

448
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: To read, Eric can't read, I don't remember this.

449
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh god.

450
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Speaker 4: That sounds like a very That would have been an

451
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 4: eighties very special episode back in the day.

452
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's funny.

453
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Speaker 4: Oh now, how I mean, if if you, if you'd

454
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Speaker 4: talk about this, because I don't, We don't know.

455
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Speaker 1: Maybe it didn't at all.

456
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Speaker 3: Did the dynamic in the room change when Mark and

457
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Speaker 3: Howard were no longer running it and Michael came back?

458
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Speaker 10: Well, yes, just in the sense that Michael. It didn't

459
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Speaker 10: change with the rest of the writers. It wasn't like

460
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Speaker 10: it was not like a big oh my, it was

461
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Speaker 10: just sort of it was all handled like I had

462
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Speaker 10: no idea, but I was also the lowest on the

463
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 10: totem pole at that point, so we were like, oh,

464
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Speaker 10: and then Michael was there. It wasn't like a whole

465
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Speaker 10: scene or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, And it did

466
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Speaker 10: seem like for them they had gotten the show running

467
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 10: experience out of it and then it was like, yeah,

468
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Speaker 10: like they're moving on just saying they wanted to. They

469
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Speaker 10: were interested in doing more adults, not adult.

470
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Speaker 1: But like grown ups.

471
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

472
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Speaker 5: Was it collaborative in the room? Did like was everybody

473
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Speaker 5: pitching together? Did you feel welcome as the newer writer

474
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Speaker 5: on the on the cast?

475
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Speaker 13: Yeah.

476
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Speaker 10: That is one thing about that show is there was

477
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Speaker 10: not a hierarchy, especially once Michael was there, because it

478
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Speaker 10: was Michael and then it was everybody else. We're all equal,

479
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 10: and Michael was very, very encouraging of people pitching and

480
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Speaker 10: like there was never any wrong pitch, you know there

481
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Speaker 10: have been in other comedy rooms. It was a very

482
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Speaker 10: it was a very like we worked long hours, but

483
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Speaker 10: it was a very nice room in my experience. I

484
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 10: was also just Patty and I were so thrilled to

485
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Speaker 10: be there, so we were like we would sweep the

486
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Speaker 10: floors if they need us to.

487
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Speaker 1: Were were you guys the only women?

488
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Speaker 10: No, so Barbie Feldman had also gotten and moved up

489
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Speaker 10: because she had been a Barbie Adler now because she

490
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Speaker 10: had been an assistant to Susan somebody Susan. Yes, she

491
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Speaker 10: was not on the staff when I was there, so

492
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Speaker 10: I didn't know her that well. And then Erica on

493
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Speaker 10: Talfa was a Disney fellow and then she got put

494
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Speaker 10: on the staff.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so when did Erica come in? She didn't

496
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Speaker 1: come until like maybe water a fifth season, right.

497
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think she was fifth or sixth, Like she

498
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Speaker 10: might have been an intern on the fifth season and

499
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Speaker 10: then got putting on put on staff on the sixth. Gotcha?

500
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Speaker 5: Was there a character that spoke most to you, especially

501
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Speaker 5: as one of the you know, rare female voices we

502
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Speaker 5: had on the show. Was there a specific character you

503
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 5: really like related to or felt like spoke to you?

504
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Speaker 10: Probably? I'm trying to think you guys were all so

505
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 10: good and easy to write for. That's that's the thing. Like,

506
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Speaker 10: But I think Patty and I were pitching stories for

507
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 10: Tipanga a lot, like just getting more of the not

508
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 10: just the girl as a prop, not that the show

509
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 10: ever did that. But it's like not like, oh, how

510
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 10: is Topanga going to work into Corey's story, but like, oh,

511
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 10: what's tapanga side of this too? Yes, what's going on

512
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Speaker 10: with Topanga? I think? And Idelson was also there. I

513
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 10: just want to.

514
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Speaker 2: We had quite a few Season five, quite a few

515
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Speaker 2: women voices.

516
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so, so I think we brought that sensibility and

517
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 10: just our experiences in life as women. We were able

518
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Speaker 10: to have Topanga and Angela also have a point of view.

519
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: Men and women have different points of view on stuff.

520
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: Come on.

521
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Speaker 10: So and then I guess, yeah, Maitland. What was her

522
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Speaker 10: character's name, Rachel, Rachel. Yeah, I just I think of

523
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 10: her as Maitland, So yeah, Maitland too once she came

524
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 10: out because she was season.

525
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Speaker 1: Six, six, six or seven.

526
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, if you watch Dancing with the Stars, I

527
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 9: can say this and Krena will probably say the same thing.

528
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Speaker 1: I don't think that we had great dancing chemistry.

529
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 9: Then you need to be listening to sex lies and

530
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 9: spray tend my partner Arden.

531
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Speaker 2: He was so intense that meaning really nervous.

532
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: With Cheryl B. Kenneda didn't wear a lot of clothes.

533
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Speaker 2: No, she was, she did, she did super ankles Warm.

534
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 9: Get the behind the scenes of what goes down on

535
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 9: and off the dance floor.

536
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 11: Dancing with the Stars breaths body image issues for women.

537
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: The thinner you are, the more attention you end up

538
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: getting on that show.

539
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 9: Injuries my phone wings, Hey Christian, Hey business, Yeah, I

540
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 9: saw you dancing with the Stars. I saw what happened

541
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 9: to your arm, and I have the perfect guy.

542
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Speaker 4: To fix it.

543
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Speaker 10: Honestly, got to Clara, I'm trying to survive. I'm just

544
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 10: trying to like make it out out of this season.

545
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: Ego, she wanted to kill me. It was real bad

546
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: insecurity on the show.

547
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 11: It was like everyone was talking about my weight and

548
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 11: it really affected my confidence so much for like years.

549
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: To come, and betrayals.

550
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Speaker 14: Because of that one betrayal, I knew this is probably

551
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Speaker 14: my last season.

552
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 9: Listen to Sex, Lies and Spray Stands with Cheryl Burke.

553
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: New episodes every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

554
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 15: My name is Cheryl Burke and I approved this message.

555
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Speaker 5: Okay, so your first episode is season five, episode six,

556
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 5: No Guts, No Corey and absolutely Insane TGIF tie in

557
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: that involves us time traveling to World War two. This

558
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 5: had to be the deepest end in all of television

559
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: to jump into what do you remember from that week?

560
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 10: Well, so it's more than just that story because and

561
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 10: I don't know if you guys ever knew this before

562
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 10: there was the Cat tie in. Patty and I had

563
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 10: outlined a Thanksgiving episode that was like, well, no, we're

564
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 10: not going to do that. We're not doing Thanksgiving, We're

565
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 10: going to do a Titanic episode tie in with Titanic.

566
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Speaker 10: But Titanic had not come out. So we did a

567
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 10: whole thing with Titanic and Corey AND's Panca being on

568
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 10: Titanic or something, and then they were like, no, Titanic's

569
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 10: not going to do well, and that was from Disney.

570
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 10: He's like, oh, that's well, nobody will know what this is.

571
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: No one's going to get that one. That's a flop because.

572
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: The movie was supposed to be a flop because it

573
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: was gone, like everybody's talking about it in Hollywood is

574
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: like a disaster.

575
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that got thrown out, and so then there

576
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 10: was the crossover episode, and nobody else wanted to do

577
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 10: that one because because it's crazy Cat traveling through so

578
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 10: and then not only that, but so then Patty and

579
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 10: are like we'll do it. But we were also like

580
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 10: still like our other episodes, like yeah, no Thanksgiving, no Titanic.

581
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 10: We like, we'll do the crossover. We're fine. And then

582
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 10: all of the TGIF shows had to pick a time

583
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Speaker 10: period right, and the other shows snapped up the fifties

584
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 10: and the seventies, and in the nineties.

585
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Speaker 15: They told us we could do the eighties right exactly,

586
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Speaker 15: so we knew, like the eighties like that wasn't a

587
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Speaker 15: thing at that point. We were joking like, oh yeah,

588
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 15: look at us with our can of new coke, Like, what.

589
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: Are you talking right?

590
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: What's the eighties now?

591
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 10: Eighties would look like the eighties now, But in the

592
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 10: nineties it was just like what are you going to

593
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Speaker 10: do in the eighties, we tried to do the twenty

594
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 10: I think somebody else had done the twent like all

595
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 10: the interesting decades were gone, so we're like, okay, so

596
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Speaker 10: world Wars. So that's how we got World War Two.

597
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Speaker 10: And also Eric's first storyline on that episode, do you remember.

598
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Speaker 4: That I do this is the one because this is

599
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Speaker 4: the only time I remember coming in and saying okay.

600
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Speaker 10: So then that was yeah, that was the blood And

601
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 10: then they.

602
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Speaker 2: Tell us about the blood.

603
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Speaker 10: There was a storyline that I don't remember the full

604
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Speaker 10: extent of, but it had to do with Eric thought

605
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Speaker 10: he would do his part by donating blood, and so

606
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Speaker 10: he was just like going, We're like donating lots and

607
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 10: lots of blood, and there's blood. So there were like

608
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 10: but that's that was what I remember. We ended up

609
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Speaker 10: having to pull out because it wasn't tasteful or something

610
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 10: like that.

611
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Speaker 4: Now, so when you were told you could pick your well,

612
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Speaker 4: essentially you have kind of the forties left, so you're

613
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Speaker 4: doing World War two?

614
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Speaker 1: Was this also all based.

615
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: Around the idea that they were going to be pumping

616
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Speaker 4: up a night of Sabrina?

617
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Speaker 1: Right? Yes?

618
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Speaker 10: Yes, Now that was an ABC mandate. Is they wanted

619
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Speaker 10: to do a crossover with the Cat because Sabrina, Like,

620
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 10: they really liked doing crossovers.

621
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Speaker 2: I think there was there were they liked synergy.

622
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Speaker 10: Yes, yes, so they knew they came up with the

623
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Speaker 10: idea that the cat was going to go into every episode. So, uh,

624
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 10: the cat did? I don't even was was Family Matters?

625
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: No, it was gone by this point. It was gone

626
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: by so we figured out Family Matters had been moved

627
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: to NBC or something prime time. Okay, so that the

628
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: night started with Sabrina and then goes off.

629
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Speaker 3: Then we're next, and then you Wish, You Wish and

630
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Speaker 3: teen Angel.

631
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Speaker 10: Yeah wow, yeah, okay, so you wish I had preference

632
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Speaker 10: over the decade to.

633
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Speaker 2: Boy, yeah, you wish got to pick.

634
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Speaker 1: So we were the only non last, always last. Every

635
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Speaker 1: time we got to pick something, we were always the

636
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Speaker 1: last people.

637
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Speaker 4: I know.

638
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 10: But you know what, the joke is on everybody because.

639
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Speaker 2: No one talks about those other episode.

640
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: Here we are.

641
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: We're doing a you Wish podcast next, So.

642
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: It's gonna go for one month.

643
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know.

644
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: One thing.

645
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 10: One thing that we did talk about in the room

646
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 10: about the forties was oh, this will be great hair.

647
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Speaker 2: For t and wardrobe. Oh yeah, I missed. I missed

648
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: my calling for decades.

649
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.

650
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 5: So then your second episode of the season is Heartbreak Cory,

651
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 5: an incredibly iconic episode and the introduction of the great

652
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: Linda Cardellini as Lauren. The Ski Lodge is quite possibly

653
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: the most mentioned episode to me.

654
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Speaker 2: Yes, do you remember.

655
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 5: Where this entire storyline was born? What was the dialogue

656
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 5: in the writer's room about every aspect of the storyline?

657
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 10: Okay, I don't know if I have all those details,

658
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 10: but I know that Patty and I were instrumental in

659
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 10: pitching like what if he kisses somebody else? Okay, like

660
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 10: in what that level could be, like is it just

661
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 10: an emotional thing? Is it actually a kiss? And I

662
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 10: think it Like one thing that happened to is once.

663
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 10: Look because we were sitting in the casting room when

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Speaker 10: Linda Cartelini came in and everybody was like, oh my god.

665
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Speaker 10: So once she was cast also it was easy to

666
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 10: see like, oh, she's not a villain. This is like

667
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 10: that there was a way to play that for like, oh,

668
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 10: Corey really loves to Panga, but this girl is great,

669
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 10: So yeah.

670
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.

671
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: Linda herself was one of the reasons we get such

672
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 5: an episode. One of the things we loved about it

673
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: is that there is no telling from the writing or

674
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 5: audience reaction to the audience about how they're supposed to

675
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: fit feel She's not supposed to be a villain.

676
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: She is just a.

677
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 5: Great girl who has real feelings for Corey, and Corey

678
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 5: has real feelings for her, and you can see how

679
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: they could have a great relationship.

680
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: And is that bad? Is that good?

681
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 5: We don't It doesn't really lean you one way or

682
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 5: the other. You have to decide for yourself, which really

683
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 5: plays in the episode.

684
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 10: Yes, and I think what you guys were talking about

685
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 10: before is that appealing to like the sensibility of how

686
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 10: that would make women go what would I do in

687
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 10: that situation? Too? So it's not just like, oh, Corey,

688
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 10: what's you going to do? It's like, oh my god,

689
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 10: what's Tapanka gonna do?

690
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 7: What?

691
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 10: You know? And really play that and also, oh, we

692
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 10: understand like Lauren and what she did, and she didn't

693
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 10: do anything wrong she you know, but.

694
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: We talked about this.

695
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 6: Right, We talked it on her feelings specifically, the first

696
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 6: time we walk into the ski lodge, it is Corey

697
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 6: into Panga together.

698
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: There she is knowingly going after another woman's man.

699
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 5: But she doesn't have a responsibility to anyone who has

700
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 5: a responsibility's.

701
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 10: She is also just doing her job to begin with.

702
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, she's this poor girl is on

703
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: twenty four hour ships.

704
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: She's there for three days strength that's three days straight.

705
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 10: I noticed that too. Rewatching did not occur to me.

706
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: This poor girl is running the entire lounge by herself

707
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: and now has met this man and has been up.

708
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: For three days. But that's the other thing.

709
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: We talked about, is that that's what great television does.

710
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: I mean, my wife I got again because you hated

711
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: me as an actor and hated my talent. I wasn't

712
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: in this episode. So I got to sit back and

713
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: just watch this as a fan. And I'm not sure

714
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 4: since it aired if I'd ever seen it. And I'm

715
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: sitting there watching it with my wife, and there was

716
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 4: times you were pausing it and having these conversations where

717
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: it's like, wait a minute, and then were we looked.

718
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: At each other's like, but that's what That's what good

719
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: TV is supposed to do. You're supposed to have the

720
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: different points of view, You're supposed to have these discussions.

721
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: You're supposed to did she do anything wrong? Okay, who

722
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: was responsible? Well it's his fault, yes, but she was complicit.

723
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh it was great. So fully enjoyed it.

724
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 10: And you know, I don't know, thinking back to before

725
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 10: that point, if the show had really done little arcs,

726
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 10: that that might have been one of the first times

727
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 10: that there was an arc of are they going to

728
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 10: like what's happening with them? Are they going to get

729
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 10: back together? That like stretched over several episodes, and then

730
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 10: we were doing more of that as the show continued,

731
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 10: because it worked really well, I think.

732
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: But then okay, so then that leads to my next question,

733
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: which is, because we just watched the next one, you

734
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: did the first First Girlfriend's Club, and so whose idea

735
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: was it to not then make fine being the letter

736
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: the a story of that storyline. It's like you left

737
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: us hanging, and then we wanted to jump into that one,

738
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: and that seemed to be kind of pushed to the

739
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: side and just kind of bracketed the episode. Wait, now

740
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 4: you remember how that happened?

741
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 10: No, I because that was in all of the change

742
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 10: over there.

743
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Right, the Bluntman and bus gang leading.

744
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 10: And I think, I think, I think what happened is

745
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 10: initially I don't know for sure, so this all may

746
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 10: be not true. So I'm supposing, in combination with like

747
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 10: deep memory that the Valentine's episode they had wanted to

748
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 10: do a thing with with Sean and it was like

749
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 10: a first girl like First Wives Club was.

750
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: A big movie, so doing that.

751
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 10: And so that had been the focus of that episode.

752
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 10: But then off of how well the other episode had gone,

753
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 10: it was like, let's put this in there too, Like

754
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 10: let's let's gutch on that because it's it's a Valentine's

755
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 10: Day episode. But we already had like the girl, like

756
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 10: those three girls, and I think those girls had all

757
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 10: been former. I wasn't on the shoe, but they had

758
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 10: all been former, like yeah, ventures Sean's and stuff too,

759
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 10: So yeah, that would that would be my guess as

760
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 10: to why that happened. And then we leaned more into

761
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 10: it moving forward if I'm remembering correctly, because there was

762
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 10: a episode. Oh yeah, I don't remember all of the

763
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 10: other ones, but I remember, And then Lauren came back

764
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 10: at some point.

765
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: Yes, she comes back.

766
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 5: Now it may be that hindsight is twenty twenty and

767
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 5: even just based on what you said there, where like, oh,

768
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 5: this first episode of Corey having this emotional connection and

769
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 5: a kiss with Lauren felt like it went well, And

770
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: yet in the planning of the season maybe wasn't anticipated

771
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: to be as big of a moment as it turned

772
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: out to be, so much so that the following episode

773
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: was going to be a Sean and Angela Valentine's Day episode.

774
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 5: But did you feel a lot of pressure tackling such

775
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 5: a big moment in Corey into Panga's relationship In hindsight,

776
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: of course, it's the most talked about aspect of the

777
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 5: Corey to Panga relationship.

778
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: But I don't know that we would have known that

779
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: at the time. So did it feel pressure filled?

780
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 10: I mean, I think the way that we didn't break

781
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 10: stuff too much in advance on that show, okay, And

782
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 10: I mean at the time too, like that shows just

783
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 10: weren't done like that because you had to do so

784
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 10: many It was just like what's next, what's next with

785
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 10: the right can we They didn't have the same kind

786
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 10: of arcs, So I think it was more like a

787
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 10: standalone situation, especially in sitcom. But I think Michael was

788
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 10: very aware. I mean, we could hear the audience reaction too,

789
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 10: so like when we were shooting the show, you were like,

790
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 10: oh my god.

791
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: Right, people are reacting.

792
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 10: People are really reacting to this, And so yeah, I

793
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 10: guess we were following through before it was even on

794
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 10: the air and following through on that and that was

795
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 10: probably coming from you know, Michael of like in the

796
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 10: room too, But like Michael would have been the one

797
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 10: to go, we got to do, we got to follow

798
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 10: through on this, and we would all then pitch and

799
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 10: you know.

800
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember what the sort of like rules of

801
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: Weymeet's world were like what were the discussions in the

802
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: room as far as like, this is what's going to

803
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: happen with Corey into Panga, this is going to be

804
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: Sean and Angela's storyline. Did you guys have guiding principles

805
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: or sort of like commandments going forward?

806
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 10: Like with pitching storylines, it worked differently, like when there

807
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 10: were arcs, then you would pitch you know, like what

808
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 10: could be the next step in the arc. But otherwise

809
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 10: a lot of times people would just share stories. And

810
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 10: I think that's where the people that were like the

811
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 10: younger people on staff, which I was one of at

812
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 10: the time, we would pull so many things from our

813
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 10: lives because we were just high school wasn't that far before.

814
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 10: So we would talk, oh, our friend had this happened

815
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 10: in high school? Or this happened in high school, and

816
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 10: maybe Topanga could have this happen. And then there were

817
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 10: a lot of there was a lot of you know,

818
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 10: interact with Feenie. What lesson could Peenie teach everybody? There

819
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 10: was the family element was important on the show too,

820
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 10: Like Alan would factor a lot into like, oh, the

821
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 10: father or son's relationship and then when when Eric and

822
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 10: Jack and Rachel were there too, that would be like, okay,

823
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 10: they would have a like that would kind of be

824
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 10: broken separately. But then sometimes we would come back and

825
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 10: talk about what about an episode about brothers, Like everybody

826
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 10: would just kind of pitch. It would be like, do

827
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 10: you know the term blue skys? Is any bit ever

828
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 10: use that before?

829
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: Like blue skys?

830
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 10: Just like pitch anything, like yeah, really see what Yeah they.

831
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 4: Do at Google where they paint it's the the the

832
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 4: ceiling is painted blue.

833
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: It's the Blue Sky Room.

834
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 10: So you go go in there and you're like, what

835
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 10: about this? What about this? And so? And then when

836
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 10: something would land that would seem like, oh, this is

837
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 10: a story, then we would like break it out a

838
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 10: little bit more like a B story or something like that.

839
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a plan like coming into season five,

840
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: this is going to be the season where this happens

841
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: by the end or no, wow, okay no.

842
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 10: In fact, the beginning of season five that was when

843
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 10: Mark and Howard we're doing it for the first time.

844
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 10: That was just really episode by because those episodes were

845
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 10: more just like episode by episode. Bob Tischler was new

846
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 10: on the staff at that point, too.

847
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, do you remember a specific storyline or a

848
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: script you really wanted to do where you thought the

849
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 4: room wanted to do that got you know, traction, and

850
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, it's like, no, we're not

851
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: going to do that.

852
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 10: Well the Thanksgiving episode, I don't even remember what the

853
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 10: story was, but we liked it, and then it was

854
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 10: for whatever reason, like Thanksgiving was.

855
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: Not happening, Thanksgiving's not hit fit Like, yeah, ABC, I.

856
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 10: Think it was like, we don't want to do Thanksgiving

857
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 10: episode because then it's like a syndication thing.

858
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: Like they want Evergreen.

859
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 10: Yes, exactly, but we liked whatever we had done on

860
00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 10: that outline. But usually I feel like there was one

861
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 10: episode and I don't know which one it was, that

862
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 10: that was kind of far along in the process and

863
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 10: ABC was like, you know what, we changed our mind,

864
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 10: we don't want to do that episode. It was I

865
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 10: don't think it was one I was writing, and so

866
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 10: then we had to start a starting over doing another.

867
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh, he dick, What's what's the craziest pitch for one

868
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: of the characters of Boy Meets World that you remember?

869
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 4: Because Eric not being able to read is a pretty guy.

870
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: I apparently got all the way to the table read,

871
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: which is I.

872
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 10: Still remember you sounding out words and I forget I

873
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 10: think Shack taught you, like Jack was going to teach

874
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 10: you to read or something like that, and you were like,

875
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 10: reading is fun. Wasn't the lesson you took away? That

876
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 10: was probably the craziest, the craziest, and that I can

877
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 10: remember because afterwards it was like all of the writers

878
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 10: were like what were we all thinking?

879
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: How did we let this go?

880
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 8: Yeah?

881
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 4: Because read Eric's like reading his acceptance letter to college,

882
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: He's reading, He's doing all these different things, so oh god.

883
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: That's weird.

884
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, And like in the room too, we would

885
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 10: do table reads in the room, like Michael would always

886
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 10: play Corey, like Barbie would always play Topanga, like we

887
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 10: all had. I don't even remember who I ever was,

888
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 10: Like I think I got switched around to different things,

889
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 10: but who played who played shot?

890
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: Matt Nelson played Eric Eric.

891
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 10: I think when Mark and Howard were there, Mark played Eric.

892
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 10: Mark and Howard would both play Eric, and I think

893
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 10: Manel played Erek.

894
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't remember.

895
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 10: I think like Eric was just like all the work.

896
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 10: But what like I would just do like, oh to

897
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 10: Panga's mom, you're his mom, you know, or stage directions

898
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 10: or something, but we read it in the room with

899
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 10: the right Eric doesn't know how to read, and we're still.

900
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 5: Like, that's definitely one of those slap happy things that

901
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 5: you guys are cracking up at and you're going, we

902
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 5: have to keep it in. It's so goofy, it's so funny.

903
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 5: And then of course you at the table read and

904
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 5: you go, ABC's never going to let us put this

905
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 5: on the air.

906
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: Let's say it was also.

907
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, quite seriously.

908
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 10: There was also there was one and I don't remember

909
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 10: what season is Michael's Kids. There was one thing where

910
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 10: there was like a writer's room for someone. Yes, okay,

911
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 10: there was a writer's room and the writers were all

912
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 10: so young and Michael's kids were going to be the

913
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 10: writers and Jeff's kid and we were there until I

914
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 10: think three in the morning pitching lines so that could

915
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 10: have a write a line, oh boy, And and the

916
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 10: kids were so nervous, like on the day, I think

917
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 10: the kids were so nervous. But it was, you know,

918
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 10: Michael really wanted all the kids to have an equally

919
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 10: excellent line, and there were four of them, so it

920
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 10: was something about like you guys are.

921
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 5: Yes, and then probably no one got their line out

922
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 5: on the day because then we all have.

923
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 10: To rewrite it.

924
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: Anyway, a bunch of writers having to pitch lines for

925
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: writers on a TV show who are going to be

926
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: played by children.

927
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 10: Yes, like but that like the thing was when we

928
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 10: had to be there late like that, there was always

929
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 10: like some food of some kind.

930
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: I was going to say, They said you, well, yeah.

931
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 10: Get some excellent food from somewhere.

932
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: And that was your that was your recompensation.

933
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 4: Okay, So you're in the room the first time you

934
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: hear Corey and Topanga are going to be married. Yes,

935
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 4: how does that go over? And what do you feel

936
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 4: about that situation?

937
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: Well?

938
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 10: I wrote that episode two, which you probably did, you know, Okay,

939
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 10: I think that got floated and I don't remember who

940
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 10: floated it, and it seemed like that makes sense. Like

941
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 10: and also though, if we're going to get them married,

942
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 10: they should stay married. So and we had to run

943
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 10: it by is ABC okay with them getting married because

944
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 10: like we weren't. The feeling I think was, let's not

945
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 10: get them married and have them break up and get

946
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 10: back together again, right right?

947
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 5: Because are we comfortable saying they're going to be married

948
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 5: for the rest of the run of the show.

949
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 10: Right, because that's not fun when people are breaking up,

950
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 10: that's fun.

951
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: That's fun when it's not as serious.

952
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 10: Yes, And we also knew and they're not going to

953
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 10: have a baby, like, we don't want anybody to be

954
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 10: having a baby. That's not fun to see. We don't

955
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 10: want to necessarily be pregnant to Panga, you know. Like

956
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 10: so I think it felt like the fans would probably

957
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 10: enjoy it in a sort of like wish fulfilly kind

958
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 10: of way of like, oh, they love each other and

959
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 10: they get married in college and it's so great, And

960
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 10: I think that was that was true.

961
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: And we also there was no pushback.

962
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: There weren't other people going like, you can't marry they're eighteen,

963
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: they just graduated high school, we can't marry them off.

964
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 10: I mean, I think we had all of those conversations,

965
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 10: and that's what the parents represent, you know, just like yeah,

966
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 10: and also just the idea of when you're young, and

967
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 10: we were young too, but like you do these things.

968
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 10: The grown ups in the room had the perspective of

969
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 10: you don't know what you're getting into when you get

970
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 10: married at nineteen years old, but the younger staff members

971
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 10: were like, well, yeah, but you also like I could see,

972
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 10: I could see I could see having done that. I

973
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 10: didn't hear, you know, but like you do those kinds

974
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 10: of things because you do feel like it's going to

975
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 10: last forever and you know so Wow.

976
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 13: Jenny Garth, Jana Kramer, Amy Roeboch and TJ. Holmes bring

977
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 13: you I Do Part two, one of a kind experiment

978
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 13: in podcasting to help you find love again. If you

979
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 13: didn't get it right the first time, it's time to

980
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 13: try try again, as they guide you through this podcast

981
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 13: experiment in dating.

982
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,600
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983
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 11: do teach, Actually, I think I finally got it right.

984
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 11: So take the failures I've had the second or even

985
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,280
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986
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,320
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987
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Speaker 14: Twenty nine years ago, Kelly Taylor said these words, I

988
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 14: choose me. She made her choice. She chose herself when

989
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,920
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990
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,399
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991
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 8: Holmes, and we are well not necessarily relationship experts. If

992
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,319
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993
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,480
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994
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,719
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995
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996
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Speaker 11: your podcasts.

997
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 5: I want to go back to First Girlfriend's Club for

998
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 5: a second, because this was something we talked about when

999
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 5: we watched the episode. What would the outcome have had

1000
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 5: been if no one showed up for Sean?

1001
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: What were the girls going to do?

1002
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 10: I think when I rewatched it, it was also like, yeah,

1003
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 10: I think the goal was save Angela from being in

1004
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 10: a relationship with this guy who's just going to break

1005
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 10: his break her heart.

1006
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 5: Right, But so what were they going to make Sean do? Say, Okay,

1007
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 5: I'll break up with Angela.

1008
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 10: Just like keep him from showing up on the date.

1009
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 10: Then she would get mad and realize, oh, he breaks

1010
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 10: his promises, okay, so that he would he would break up.

1011
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 10: I don't think they were gonna they were handcuffing that

1012
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 10: to like hurt him, but to just hold him in place.

1013
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

1014
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: It's still more believable than ordering ten dozen roses the

1015
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 4: night of Valentine's Day to Lawrence.

1016
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: Okay, one other, one other question.

1017
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 5: And it makes sense now knowing that it was an

1018
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 5: idea started by Mark and Howard and then got handed

1019
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 5: off to you to finish writing. But another major plot

1020
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 5: hole that that we noticed is that Angela sent the

1021
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: bouquet to the guy's apartment and Sean reads the note

1022
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 5: out loud, no Angela, and then the guys go without

1023
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 5: Angela to the boat house and Angela goes, why don't

1024
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 5: they take Angela with them?

1025
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: And go, wait, he's meeting you at the boat house.

1026
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 10: I don't know, Okay, I don't know because my husband

1027
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 10: and I watched all the episodes and we were both like,

1028
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 10: why were they We must not mention this. Yeah, we

1029
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 10: got to sneak off right away and deal with that

1030
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 10: without involving her, like why why.

1031
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: Yes, it was We were like, wait a minute.

1032
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: So knowing now, I'm really glad that that that we

1033
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 5: talked about, that that this was when Mark and Howard left,

1034
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 5: because we also that was a that was a plot

1035
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 5: hole for us in even just the history of Boy

1036
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 5: Meets World.

1037
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: We knew they leave at some point.

1038
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 5: I wonder if we'll know when that was when the

1039
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 5: season comes around, and now we know, so, okay, then

1040
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: you leave us after Boy Meets World is over, and

1041
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 5: you basically never stop working. You have a small return

1042
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 5: to some animated projects, including Vickim Possible show we talked

1043
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 5: about in two.

1044
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: Thousand and two.

1045
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 5: But then you find yourself on the very successful Reba.

1046
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 2: Were you happy to get back onto a sitcom?

1047
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we we we went boy Meets World

1048
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 10: and we did a show called Daddio.

1049
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: Oh okay or was that No?

1050
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 10: That was Daddy. We did Daddio. So we did have

1051
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 10: a show in between, and for some reason that doesn't

1052
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 10: always show up on IMDb, but Daddy always just have

1053
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 10: a season. So we did some more animation to fill

1054
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 10: in the income the gap. Yeah, and then we did

1055
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 10: Riba for five years then till death, and then we

1056
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 10: didn't get staffed. So that was eleven years of sitcom

1057
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 10: and then we switched over to hour long, but we

1058
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 10: went onto Reba was created by Alison Gibson Montgomery, who

1059
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 10: came on on season six a Boy Meets World. She

1060
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 10: actually brought some people that she had liked working with

1061
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 10: on Boy Meets When Ellen and Rob left Boy Meets World,

1062
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 10: Allison came in. Allison was on season six and seven.

1063
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 10: She created Riba, and she brought Patty and I and

1064
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 10: also Gary Miller. I think that was the only people

1065
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 10: from Boy. So we went over onto Riba and so

1066
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 10: it was like it was really fun. That was a

1067
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 10: really fun show where I have had really great experiences

1068
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 10: on sitcoms, like I've been like with the casts especially

1069
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 10: most of the shows that I worked on had tremendous

1070
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 10: not just talent, but just lovely people, you know, So

1071
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 10: that it was it was fun to go to set.

1072
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 10: It was fun to talk to the actors. It was

1073
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 10: very collaborative. It was like a mutual respects back and forth,

1074
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 10: like we know what they can do, they trust. I

1075
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 10: don't know that I'm that I'm correct. You guys may

1076
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 10: have all been like, what are they thinking? Like that

1077
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 10: you trusted you guys were, Yes, but that you that

1078
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 10: you trusted also that we were going to fix something

1079
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 10: if it wasn't working. Yes, So that that Riba had

1080
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 10: that also in Daddio, which was short lived, which just

1081
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 10: didn't get the viewership to stay on the air, but

1082
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 10: it was the same thing there. So yeah, I really

1083
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 10: like working on sitcoms and switched over to hour long

1084
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 10: because there were just fewer of them. Yeah, yeah, and

1085
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 10: then yeah, and when I look at the shows like

1086
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 10: the lasting popularity of Boy Meets World and of Riba.

1087
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 10: I go, why aren't people making sitcoms right? Because they're

1088
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 10: hugely they're you know, they just they when it takes

1089
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 10: a while to necessarily nail one down that has the

1090
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 10: right chemistry, because you really have to have that chemistry

1091
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 10: with the with the cast. But when you get that,

1092
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 10: there's nothing like it. Its like you feel like you

1093
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 10: know them in a way that I don't think that

1094
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 10: you have that even with great dramas. I don't feel

1095
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 10: like I know the people in succession like they're my friends,

1096
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 10: like I like watch them, but it's not, you know, well.

1097
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons unfortunate is all the

1098
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: greatest sitcoms of all time, like literally you're talking about

1099
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: the Office and Mash and Cheers, all of them needed

1100
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: a time to build their audience, Seinfeld, These shows that

1101
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 4: are almost going to be canceled, every single one of them,

1102
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 4: and nobody gives anything the time to grow anymore. So

1103
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: if it's not not a hit on the second night,

1104
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 4: you're done. And it's like, that's just not how sitcom works.

1105
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 4: You gotta you build your audience, You move a night,

1106
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 4: you do this, you find and then you get these

1107
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 4: huge hits and they just don't allow anything to grow anymore.

1108
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 10: So no, and you also have to for live comedy

1109
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 10: like that, you start to learn on the staff. And

1110
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 10: when we came on Boy Meets World, we already knew

1111
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 10: because you guys, it was established. But it takes a

1112
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 10: minute to see what the actors do really well because

1113
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 10: and then you start writing for the actors, and then

1114
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 10: you also start to see, oh, I was wouldn't have

1115
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 10: anticipated that dynamic, you know, between these two, like they're

1116
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 10: funny when they're like trying to do a project together,

1117
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 10: Like all of these things that you find over the

1118
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 10: course of say, I don't know, it's not that many episodes,

1119
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 10: but like seven eight episodes you started. Oh, it takes

1120
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 10: a little while to get that, to get that going,

1121
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 10: and at the same time that the audience is getting

1122
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 10: to know the show.

1123
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 5: And you have to do that for every season because

1124
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 5: at the start of every season, now you've aged up,

1125
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 5: you've added a new character, and now you have to

1126
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 5: like reconc figure what are those dynamics and how is

1127
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 5: this all working?

1128
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 2: What's what's funny here?

1129
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 10: Right?

1130
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: Do you still work with Patty?

1131
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 10: No, I mean Patty and I are still friends. We

1132
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 10: stopped writing together I guess it's about seven years now,

1133
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 10: because when you split a salary, it's fine when there's

1134
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 10: twenty two to twenty four episodes, but there's things were

1135
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 10: going to even network shows were like, yeah, twelve episodes,

1136
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 10: ten episodes, like, it's just not sustainable of a way

1137
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 10: to earn a living. And so we split very amicably.

1138
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 10: But I see her. I see her fairly often. I

1139
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 10: saw her. Wee can have ago, We go to lunch

1140
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 10: all the time, we talk on the phone, so it's

1141
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 10: it's and we really enjoyed working in comedy, and we

1142
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 10: liked working an hour long too, but our heart was

1143
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 10: always with live comedy. There's something that's just so great

1144
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 10: about that audience feedback. And with my masters in play writing,

1145
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 10: that's what I always wrote that. It's why I went

1146
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 10: into TV. I would write half hour long comedies that

1147
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 10: took place on one set and I wasn't thinking about that.

1148
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 10: That's just what I would end up doing when I

1149
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 10: was writing, and I because and then I would go here,

1150
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 10: and there's just something like it's that laughter when it's

1151
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 10: my words but it's not me, and that the actors

1152
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 10: are taking it and making it so much funnier than

1153
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 10: I could have even imagined, and the director is involved

1154
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 10: it like there's something that's just so I don't feeling fulfilling.

1155
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 10: But it's even more than that. It's just it's just

1156
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 10: like it's not transcendent, because that sounds like, well it's not.

1157
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 10: It's not transcendent something, but it's it's it's so wonderful

1158
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 10: to have that immediate reaction. It feels like love is

1159
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 10: what it feels like.

1160
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: You were you a television fan growing up? Yes, what

1161
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: were your favorite jokes?

1162
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 10: Well, I would sneak to watch a lot of shows.

1163
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 10: I liked Charlie's Angels, and my dad would only let

1164
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 10: me watch I had, Like he would circle in the

1165
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 10: TV guide today you have one half hour. So I

1166
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 10: would watch like the first half hour of Charlie's Angels.

1167
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 10: Then I would arrange mirrors, like to reflect a TV

1168
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 10: in a room, and I would pretend like I'm in

1169
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 10: the bathroom, but really I'm like watching the mirrors. And

1170
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 10: Three's Company another one that I wasn't supposed to watch

1171
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 10: because it was you know, men and an adult living together. Yeah,

1172
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 10: but I would. My brother was sick and so my

1173
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 10: parents would have to go take him when they were

1174
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 10: learning to do dialysis for him, so opportunity. While they

1175
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 10: were gone, you'd watch eight hours of TV the company

1176
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 10: was running. In the mornings. I would watch that. I

1177
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 10: Love Lucy, always watch that. The Jeffersons. Every day school.

1178
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 10: I would come home, watch one episode of The Jeffersons

1179
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 10: and then go do my homework. So, yeah, I like

1180
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 10: all uh Gomer Pyle used to rerun I don't know

1181
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 10: if that's funny at all. Brady Bunch I loved.

1182
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were old school sitcom.

1183
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 6: I love that.

1184
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I wouldn't watch for like, you know, fifteen

1185
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 10: hours or something, but it would just be like, oh,

1186
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 10: this is on, Yeah after school, I'll watch with my

1187
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 10: grandma for an hour. I'll watch on my own. My

1188
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 10: parents loved Mary Tyler Moore and Bob Newhart, so we

1189
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 10: would watch those Like those would just go over my head.

1190
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 10: I didn't understand why they were funny when I was little,

1191
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 10: but I loved watching them. But yeah, like a little

1192
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 10: bit of mash but that was really over my head.

1193
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 10: I couldn't.

1194
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: So when you when you graduated with your MFA and

1195
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: you decided to try your hand at writing a you know,

1196
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: half hour sitcom, did it just come instinctually or were

1197
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: you aware of like oh I need to learn this

1198
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: ructure or break this down or was it just in you.

1199
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 10: It was a sort of a combination of both. Like

1200
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 10: you get a hold of scripts and you look at, okay,

1201
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 10: how long is it? How is it formatted? But I

1202
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 10: had like oh, Roseanne was another one I watched a

1203
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 10: lot and mad about you. But you would just watch

1204
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 10: them get a sense for like, okay, what what do

1205
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 10: they do with this show? You know, who has a

1206
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 10: story in the B story? How many beats? How many

1207
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 10: pages does it have to be? What breaks look like?

1208
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 10: And then you would just imitate it right. But with

1209
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 10: the with the ability to write comedy, which I think

1210
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 10: is there's a musicality in to it. And that's how

1211
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 10: I can usually tell because after a while, when you

1212
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 10: write comedy, you don't really know when you've read it

1213
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 10: again and again and again, you're like, I don't know

1214
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 10: if it's funny, So I have to rely on that.

1215
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 10: It's like this this rhythm yea, they go like okay,

1216
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 10: and when I think, oh, something's not working there, it's

1217
01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 10: because there's like one little beat missing. So that's where

1218
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 10: the instinctive stuff comes in.

1219
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk Baywatch for a second.

1220
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 5: It has been in the news all month because of

1221
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 5: the documentary, but you have been tasked with show running

1222
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 5: the reboot, which is a massive job and dare I

1223
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 5: say a little bit of a tricky one in twenty

1224
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 5: twenty four. So what can we expect from the return

1225
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 5: of the red bathing suit.

1226
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 10: Well, it is not picked up. I'm writing the pilot.

1227
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 10: I'm actually I don't even know what I'm supposed to say.

1228
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 10: I'm writing the second episode right now, okay, because that's

1229
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 10: part of like the whole thing. I usually read a

1230
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 10: pilot and then you write a second episode and then

1231
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 10: they decide. So when my agent approached me and said,

1232
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 10: would you be interested in readbooting Baywatch? I was like

1233
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 10: yes because and then I was like, what I remember

1234
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 10: about Baywatch was, oh, here they are on the beach,

1235
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 10: Like this is just like a happy, a happy thing

1236
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 10: that I watch.

1237
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 5: You know.

1238
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 10: After I was cocktail way sing at the Laugh Factory,

1239
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 10: I would come home and I would turn on Baywatch

1240
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 10: and it was just like, oh, okay, here I am

1241
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 10: watching Baywatch. And I didn't really remember any specifics, but

1242
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 10: I do remember people in red bathing suits.

1243
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 3: Slow motion running on the beach, Ye running on the beach.

1244
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 10: So I wanted to capture that element of nostalgia. I

1245
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 10: wanted to come into it from a female perspective, so

1246
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 10: I won't give anything away there, but I wanted to

1247
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 10: be like, Okay, a woman, let's what's the woman coming

1248
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 10: into this? And then I just I wanted to I said,

1249
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 10: I wanted to make it more diverse, like not just

1250
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 10: the diversity of the cast, but the diversity of the

1251
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 10: kinds of beaches that there are. It's not just right,

1252
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 10: you know, there's Malibu, but there's also Venice and there's

1253
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 10: also Santa Monica, just like more just make it contemporary

1254
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 10: that way, and then base everything on characters like that

1255
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 10: we care about the character and that that's really what

1256
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 10: was driving the show in my pitch of what I

1257
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 10: wanted to do with it, And just make everybody very

1258
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 10: real and it's a grounded soap, but still have humor,

1259
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 10: have action, have people making mistakes, like just make them

1260
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 10: real people. And I wanted everybody that was a lifeguard

1261
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 10: to be there for a personal reason, not just because

1262
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 10: they look good in a bathing suit, because like peop

1263
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 10: look good in a bathing suit, but like you know,

1264
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 10: so like, oh what drew people? Because when you learn

1265
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 10: a little bit more about it, lifeguarding is really it's

1266
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 10: mostly you know, you're helping somebody stepped down a sting, right,

1267
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 10: But then it's dangerous, like you're risking life and you

1268
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 10: have to be ready to risk your life. And it's

1269
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 10: actually goes through the it's a branch of the fire department.

1270
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 10: And I don't know if it's a branch, if that's

1271
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 10: the right word, but it is maybe a subdivision, yes,

1272
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 10: So so like that's a it's a calling for the

1273
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 10: people that do it part time, for the kids that

1274
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 10: are in the summer and stuff. A not isn't necessarily calling,

1275
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 10: but it's like a it's a career. And so I

1276
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 10: just you know, wanted to lean on Diress a little

1277
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 10: bit too and just be a show that you were

1278
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 10: tying into the characters. But then it was also fun

1279
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 10: to watch because it's the beaches are beautiful and the action,

1280
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 10: the action is exciting, and so so far it's been

1281
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 10: a really like it's the development process always takes things

1282
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 10: a little bit like it's a winding path. But the

1283
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 10: core of what I pitched, and I pitched something not

1284
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 10: to try to get the job. So I pitched something

1285
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 10: that I would be like, I would be interested in

1286
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 10: writing this, and I could write this, so what would

1287
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 10: I want to do. So that that was my approach,

1288
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 10: and I just kept being surprised that I was making

1289
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 10: it to the next level because I was like, this

1290
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 10: is a huge property. Yeah, oh okay, yeah, I'll go like,

1291
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 10: I will go now talk to this person. Okay, I

1292
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 10: will do a little bit more and come back in

1293
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 10: and talk to Oh okay, I will you know. So,

1294
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 10: and then it was down to the final few people

1295
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 10: and I was pitching it to Fox and I was

1296
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 10: just like, and there's no way I'm getting this, And

1297
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 10: then I did. And it wasn't because I don't didn't

1298
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 10: believe in myself or anything. It was just like, this

1299
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 10: is such an iconic right right sho, So I like,

1300
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 10: surely many people will want to do this show. There's

1301
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 10: like a lot of good writers out there. So yeah,

1302
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 10: so I have been I have really I have really

1303
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 10: liked the process so far, and I don't know when

1304
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 10: I will find out if it's picked up or not.

1305
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 5: Well, congratulations on getting this far and we look forward

1306
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 5: to the announcement that it's making it to air, we

1307
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 5: will all celebrate you all.

1308
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 4: Is it about middle aged X smokers who are horribly

1309
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 4: out of shape trying to run?

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Speaker 16: So I first, okay, I actually I actually did like

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Speaker 16: check and see how like oh could I looked at

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Speaker 16: all of you guys to see like their thing.

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Speaker 2: And we didn't get putting that in bathing Zoo. It's

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Speaker 2: really great talking to you.

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Speaker 5: So coming onto the show in season five, here we are.

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Speaker 5: Did you ever think we would still be talking about

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Speaker 5: Boy Meets World years?

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Speaker 10: And I am so thrilled because I loved working on

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Speaker 10: the show and at the time when we were on

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Speaker 10: the show, like I don't think that ABC understood we

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Speaker 10: were in the top ten when I was season five,

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Speaker 10: season six, we were in the Sometimes it would be

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Speaker 10: like number three for the week is Boy Meets World,

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Speaker 10: And then we were somehow not promoted, like there would

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Speaker 10: be banned for all the Friday night shows except for

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Speaker 10: Boy Meets World. I know it would be like what

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Speaker 10: the you know you would have when we went into

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Speaker 10: meetings after Boy Meets World, it would be like, uh,

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Speaker 10: like I just don't mention that you were in Boy

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Speaker 10: Meets World because it was a kid like it was

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Speaker 10: thought of as a kid's ship show. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 10: have really just been so pleased at the lasting power

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Speaker 10: of it because, like I I think I rewat it

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Speaker 10: now and I'm like, it makes you laugh. I like

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Speaker 10: it has heart to it in a way that's not just.

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Speaker 3: The adult actors are just amazing, amazing.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, well Feenie is like so good, and I

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Speaker 10: think and you guys were so good. Like the chemistry

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Speaker 10: with you guys was was so good. And as you

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Speaker 10: guys were getting older too, like sometimes child actors don't

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Speaker 10: mature into great adult actors, but you all did. Just

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Speaker 10: so I want to tell you something. I'm going to

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Speaker 10: tell you something. You're too young.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, you've saved it.

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Speaker 1: You're too old.

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Speaker 10: You're right right middle, You're right. No, no, you're right

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Speaker 10: in the middle of the ages of the Like it's like.

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Speaker 2: You saved it.

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Speaker 10: Have you saved it? The lead guy is like.

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Speaker 1: Forty eight, I'm forty eight.

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Speaker 10: You are not forty eight.

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Speaker 3: I am forty eight. I just turned forty eight.

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Speaker 10: Oh okay, well then see, you don't.

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01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: Want me go cast your show. You don't want me.

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Speaker 10: I hope, like I hope that doesn't get taken out

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Speaker 10: of context what I said, I did really like every

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Speaker 10: every totally we.

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Speaker 5: Are we are No, Laura was so great to see you.

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 5: I know you had a heart out. We wanted to respect.

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Speaker 10: Right now because it got real scheduled, so like I

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 10: don't need to keep you guys, but like I'm fine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So then why don't you want to something?

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Speaker 10: D just went south? But yeah, you guys, you guys

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Speaker 10: going back to Boy Meets World. As you matured, you

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Speaker 10: were such like you guys could all do comedy, you

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Speaker 10: could all do drama, you could all do like play

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Speaker 10: any moment like it was just it was great. And

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Speaker 10: then so so I really have loved that generations have

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Speaker 10: continued to discover it. And I was on a show

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Speaker 10: called Mixology. It was a short lived show on ABC.

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Speaker 10: It was a half hour drama about people who meet

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Speaker 10: in a bar. And there were the more experienced writers

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Speaker 10: and then which I was one of at that time,

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Speaker 10: and then they brought in some youth because it was

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Speaker 10: like the young so that they could talk about what

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Speaker 10: it's like going to a bar and hitting on people.

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Speaker 10: And so there was a guy on the staff who

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Speaker 10: was on Friends, and then there was me and Patty

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Speaker 10: on Boy Meets worlds and the youth were like, oh

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Speaker 10: you on Friends, that's nice, okay, but you guys were

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Speaker 10: on Boy Meets World, so like show. And then at

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Speaker 10: that moment, I was like the hipsters because they were

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01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 10: all like the young woman's world. I think that this

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Speaker 10: is going to be a thing. And there was also

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Speaker 10: a time Patty sat on a there was a thing

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Speaker 10: a bunch of women were talking about, like women's health issues,

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Speaker 10: like what we had done some stuff on nine O

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Speaker 10: two one OHO with some women's health issues. So so

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Speaker 10: it was all of these women writers who were talking

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Speaker 10: about how you put women's health issues on shows and stuff,

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Speaker 10: and so it was like they all talked about the

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Speaker 10: storylines and then the questions opened to the audience. Hey,

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Speaker 10: so my question is for Patty Carr, So you wrote

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 10: on boy Meets World. And she was like what and

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 10: that just like everybody just kept happing questions about Boy

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Speaker 10: Meets World, boy mes World and yeah.

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Speaker 4: So it was like, yeah, we conventions, we have the

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Speaker 4: and we have the greatest most loyal fans, greatest fans.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely new fans. My kids have both watched the shows.

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Speaker 10: My kids have both watched Boy Meets World. Then Girl

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 10: Meets World, then Boy Meets World again. But just like, yeah,

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Speaker 10: they love it.

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Speaker 2: It was a great show. We were all lucky to

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Speaker 2: be a part of it.

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Speaker 5: We are thankful that you came and recapped some of

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 5: your time there with us.

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Speaker 2: We would love to have you back.

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Speaker 5: I know you stayed with us for seasons five, six,

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Speaker 5: and seven, so we will have you back again.

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Speaker 10: I'd love to come back. And it's so good to

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Speaker 10: see your faces. It was good to see you guys

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Speaker 10: on the strike line too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, thank you so much, good to see you.

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Speaker 10: Bye bye you guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, so much fun.

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Speaker 5: I can't I can't believe that there wasn't more of

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Speaker 5: a episode, like a season arc.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think maybe that was unique

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Speaker 1: to season five because you look at season four and

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Speaker 1: there were like there were more plans as far as

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Speaker 1: but the shake up in the room to start season

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Speaker 1: five and the shake up, shake ups in the cast,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of a chaotic. It seemed like it

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Speaker 1: was a little.

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Speaker 2: Little episode to episode exactly what we said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wrote, I wrote only a single episode of

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Speaker 4: Girl Meets World, but I had to go then after

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Speaker 4: when I was pitching the idea and outlining it and

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Speaker 4: then writing the script. I had to go to Michael's

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Speaker 4: apartment with all the other writers where the entire season

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 4: was laid out. So that was obviously something that they changed,

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Speaker 4: because I mean, it was this episode's going to lead

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Speaker 4: to this episode, and we read all we read through

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 4: everybody's script. It was like they were all done by

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Speaker 4: the time the season started, at least at least four

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 4: you know, move forward enough to know where the storyline

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 4: was going. So maybe it was just the chaos of

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Speaker 4: Michael leaving, Michael coming back, you know, Blutman and bus

1439
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Speaker 4: Gang taking over them leaving, We're bringing in these characters

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Speaker 4: were not that they just kind of went, you know

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 4: it for a season, let's just fly by the seat

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Speaker 4: of our pants ours.

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Speaker 1: And we kind of caught that vibe a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And when you've.

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Speaker 4: Got that coupled with a brand new director that none

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Speaker 4: of us have worked with, who's doing the bulk of

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Speaker 4: the shows, at least at the.

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Speaker 1: Beginning of the season, you felt.

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Speaker 2: That, I mean I felt like a rocky shake up.

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: Yes it did.

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 4: It felt a little discombobulated all the way through, and

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 4: it's catching its stride now, but you felt that at

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 4: the beginning of season five, especially coming off of season.

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: Four that was so so serialized.

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Speaker 3: Yes that it just yeah, you definitely felt it.

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Speaker 4: But the thing that throws me is it also shows

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 4: psychologically how much of a difference there was between us

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01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 4: and the writers, because when I look at it, Laura

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Speaker 4: and I were like basically the same age.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's a little bit older than me, but

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Speaker 3: not much.

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Speaker 4: And in my head they were the writers, so she

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 4: was way older than me because she was on the

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Speaker 4: writing staff, when.

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Speaker 1: Really that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 4: There were people that were like not that much older

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Speaker 4: than us that were helping to write the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so funny.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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Speaker 5: of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us

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Speaker 4: Podmets World is nheart podcast producer and hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 4: Wilfredell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman,

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Speaker 4: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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