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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Elizabeth Dunton.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't.

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Speaker 3: Wat Okay, So have you ever eaten so much meat

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Speaker 3: that you got the sweats?

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Speaker 2: No? Is that is that thing?

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Speaker 3: Meat sweats?

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Speaker 2: I've heard of meat sweats. I thought that was just

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Speaker 2: like a euphemism.

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Speaker 3: I've had meat sweats once, you sweats.

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Speaker 2: I was on a cruise you're on at.

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Speaker 3: My family, like was like, come along to this Mexican

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Speaker 3: riviera cruise and there was this steakhouse on the ship.

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Speaker 3: On the ship and I had a steak, but I

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Speaker 3: had like all this I feel like it had other

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Speaker 3: meats involved.

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Speaker 2: Other meats on a steak lamb shoved into the I knows.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember a whole lot other

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Speaker 3: than the fact that my brother and I looked at

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Speaker 3: each other and we're like, that was a lot of meat.

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Speaker 3: And I told him I think I'm going to start

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Speaker 3: sweating cream. No, but it was just like my body

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Speaker 3: like kind of just got too hot trying to like

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Speaker 3: digest all that heavy protein. You know, It's kind of

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Speaker 3: like if you eat a lot and then you get

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Speaker 3: cold because your body's like I have got to I

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Speaker 3: can't help the rest of you.

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Speaker 2: I've got to. Right, So.

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Speaker 3: You may not have had meat sweats, but I mean

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Speaker 3: you've gotten really sweaty before to like purposely not purposely, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: sometimes I get kind of sweaty.

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Speaker 2: Be a sport.

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Speaker 3: We're just just sitting there thinking about meat. And but

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Speaker 3: like some people get sweaty on purpose, right, So they

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Speaker 3: go to a sauna and they want to sweat it

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Speaker 3: all out, sweat out the toxin and like my toxes,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking like the meat, right, Like.

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Speaker 2: If you ate a bunch of meat, sweat and meat out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what if what if I pause it to you? Okay,

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Speaker 3: what if you went and you got purposefully sweaty and

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Speaker 3: then someone brought you sweaty meat when you were in there? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because you know what.

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Speaker 2: A sweaty meat, meat that will make me sweat.

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Speaker 3: Some meat just kind of presents as sweaty. Well, here's

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Speaker 3: what I'm thinking. Whopper with cheese is like a sweaty

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Speaker 3: kind of food.

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Speaker 2: I would describe that as a greasy meat.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go with grease is meat sweat Oh Okay,

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Speaker 3: So you're in there sweating it up and then someone's like,

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Speaker 3: here's whopper. What I'm trying to explain to you. In Finland,

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Speaker 3: there's a burger King that has a sauna inside, and

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Speaker 3: it's like you go in, you have it's a fifteen

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Speaker 3: person sauna. There's a shower room, a locker room, a

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Speaker 3: media lounge decorated like a burger king, like the colors

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Speaker 3: of it at all. Again it's in Finland. And then

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Speaker 3: they'll bring you food.

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Speaker 2: In the sauna. I don't have to take my food

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Speaker 2: into the sauna.

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Speaker 3: They come once you're like, fully drink.

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Speaker 2: I'm nude, sweaty, I could use a burger your.

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Speaker 3: Heart rate has increased. And then they're like, here's a whopper.

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Speaker 3: And some of these gross soggy fries.

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Speaker 2: Really help push the meat sweats out. Yeah, exactly, And

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Speaker 2: so it's like detoxing.

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Speaker 3: It's retoxing in there. And so Vice Magazine back in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen in the in the pre times, they went

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Speaker 3: and they said it was terrible, which like, oh, you're kidding,

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Speaker 3: no way, Uh. They have burger King towels, like it

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Speaker 2: That could be cool.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, they said it's terrible and that pretty much

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Speaker 3: the only people who go are journalists from around the world.

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Speaker 3: Cost it's the cost of hiring the sauna is like

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Speaker 3: three hundred euros, just like way more expensive than like

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Speaker 2: So I get to go get my burger, go to

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Speaker 2: a luxury one and be left alone. I don't just

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Speaker 2: sit there with fourteen strangers, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, but you know you can just shame, eat

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Speaker 3: and peace killed.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous, so ridiculous, you know it's also ridiculous. Sure, okay, everything, yeah,

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Speaker 2: everything under the sun and the sun itself. But imagine

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Speaker 2: a car, Elizabeth, one that was made famous by Hollywood, right,

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Speaker 2: an iconic car, truly iconic car, Herbie. Sure, but the

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Speaker 2: car maker of this car, he's one of our people.

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Speaker 3: One of our people, yes.

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Speaker 2: Because he was brought down by the old old triangle

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Speaker 2: of trouble. You and I both know it. Well. I'll

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Speaker 2: give you the three corners ego, a briefcase of cash

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Speaker 2: and of course cocaine. Elizabeth, You ready for the John

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Speaker 2: DeLorean store?

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, yes I am.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one percent ridiculous. Sure is you damn right now, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: I want to start up just with a game of

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Speaker 2: word association. Let's keep things fun and light. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say four words, and I want to hear your first

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Speaker 2: three associations. Back to the future.

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Speaker 3: Michael J. Fox.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Look at that. I knew you were

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Speaker 2: gonna say, Michael J. Fox. Ye, three words. Huh isn't

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Speaker 2: that amazing? How that is so synonymous?

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Speaker 3: Huey Lewis can go back in time.

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Speaker 2: I like that one. I got a second game for you, Elizabeth. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I've gotta say four phrases and you tell me what

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Speaker 2: they have in common?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: You ready? Common Bard owner of the San Diego Chargers,

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Speaker 2: part owner of the New York Yankees. The Kokayene plays

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Speaker 2: a wicked jazz saxophone.

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Speaker 3: Oh hello, Now what.

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Speaker 2: Do they all have in common? John DeLorean?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: He plays?

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Speaker 2: That's John Delaurian. My man was so much more than

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Speaker 2: just a humble car maker. John Delorian was a rare personality.

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Speaker 2: He was a force in late century America.

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Speaker 3: I thought that the thing that kept all those people

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Speaker 3: in common was tight underpants.

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Speaker 2: That too that you were, you would that we would

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Speaker 2: have accepted that as an answer. So one of his

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Speaker 2: fellow executives, j. Patrick Wright, he co wrote a book

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Speaker 2: with DeLorean. It's called On a Clear Day you Can

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Speaker 2: See General Motors. M hm. Anyway, he's at a DeLorean quote.

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Speaker 2: He once told me that he placed enjoying life very

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Speaker 2: high in his list of priorities, and he felt that

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Speaker 2: That is a very very understated way of saying. John

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Speaker 2: Dolorian was a peacock in a world of turkey. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's a good way to right. He definitely stuck out

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Speaker 3: It's all lea Coca exactly. Do you say his name?

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Speaker 3: That's how you have to.

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Speaker 2: Say it, Coca. Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I mean, it's the only polite thing

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Speaker 2: So imagine his birthday clown had a funeral. Right, that's

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Speaker 2: old John Delorian swanning around. But he wasn't always such

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Speaker 2: a wild personality. Turns out, in fact, he started out

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Speaker 2: quite the opposite. He was born John Zachary Delorian on

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Speaker 2: and Romania. I don't know where the Deloorian comes in,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, Delorian came into the world fittingly enough in Detroit,

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Speaker 2: home of the American auto industry.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: He would eventually revolutionize that one day, But at the

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Speaker 2: son of an auto worker, a man who turned wrenches,

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Speaker 2: and he manned the ratchets at the Ford plant. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I put that in terms.

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Speaker 3: You like, thank you, now I understand.

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Speaker 2: His father worked hard, drank card you know, he was

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Speaker 2: a hard man to love. And his mother also worked hard,

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Speaker 2: but she did without all the booze. She hard, no

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Speaker 2: I don't need all that. Oh she's high on life,

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Speaker 2: yeah exactly. And the family poor, very poor, like whooa

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Speaker 2: poor right, because dudes born in nineteen twenty five do

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Speaker 2: the math. Right. Delaurian was raised in the worst of

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Speaker 2: the Great Depressions as a child, right, small child. He

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Speaker 2: and then there's the Deloreans. Anyway, despite the bitter vite

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Speaker 2: after college, Delaurian he went to work in the car industry.

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Speaker 2: old Packard Motor Company. Do you remember them? They made

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Speaker 2: these big, beautiful sedans. Packard was a luxury audible bile

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Speaker 2: maker before World War Two. After World War Two, I had.

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Speaker 3: A Packard, Did you a thirty six Packerd? And I

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Speaker 2: I bet it was wood handles of steering wheel.

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Speaker 3: I mean just I it was the Oddly enough, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great, but that was a thrill that well,

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Speaker 2: as you probably then know, the Packard they close up

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Speaker 2: shop in nineteen fifty eight, but Delourian had left before

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Speaker 2: that two years before, in nineteen fifty six. So where

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Speaker 2: does he go after his time at Packard? He goes

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Speaker 2: to work at General Motors. At the time, GM was

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Speaker 2: He joins their Pontiac division, and that's where he becomes

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Speaker 2: Now by age forty he's a you know, he's a

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Speaker 2: Pontiac Division. Then he's named the manager of Chevrolet. Finally,

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Speaker 2: to get back to when he was working at Pontiac Division,

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Speaker 2: because I love that period of time, I really do.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that John Delorian created what we think

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Speaker 2: of as the muscle car era?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Really, that's him, That's his responsibility Deloureak. Nineteen fifty nine,

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Speaker 2: Deloreon he created the Pontiac Tempest and that changed the

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Speaker 2: this car is amazing. It's fast, it's sleek. Right, that

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Speaker 2: with the Pontiac Gto. That instant success. Kids love it, right,

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Speaker 2: instant classic Pontiac. They have like expected sales, it exceeded

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Speaker 2: it by five hundred percent. Really, kids loved it. You

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Speaker 3: Right, he doesn't understand that. The real power move, the

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Speaker 2: Well, at this point, he's got the groovy late sixties shirts,

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Speaker 2: So eventually nineteen sixty nine rolls around nice and he

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Speaker 2: So John Delaurien at this time forty four years old old,

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Speaker 2: let's just put money everywhere. Delori becomes part owner of

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Speaker 2: Right, he's doing all this like, oh, I'm gonna invest

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, at least he recognizes that then, totally.

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Speaker 2: Does he have kids at this point? I think he does?

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Speaker 2: Trade up exactly. I'm going bigger, lock it down. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did love that one. So one thing these

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Speaker 2: So Delorian he finds himself a workaround, right. He begins

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Speaker 2: made of cutting edge materials. Word quickly spreads that Deloorian

435
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: was back at it.

436
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 6: Right.

437
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, you know what's Delorian building? But you

438
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: know what this means for him? Right, He's broken his

439
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: termination agreement with Gas and they're are companies, so they're like, oh, sir.

440
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: They send out the lawyers. They tell him he's been

441
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: breach of his contract. The company no longer is now

442
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: legally required to honor his termination agreement. Poof, He's talked

443
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 2: out himself from his salary. He had a post termination

444
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: agreement where he was making his salary just powever law,

445
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: he'd lost it just by talking. So now Delourian middle

446
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: aged man, supermodel wife, no income. He sees the immediate

447
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 2: probs with this. He's like, I'm gonna have to change

448
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: this picture. He decided. If GM goes back on their

449
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 2: end of the deal, well so will John Dolorian. So

450
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: he decides, I will become their competitor, as he put

451
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven, if we were super super lucky

452
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,719
Speaker 2: and did everything right, we might someday have another BMW. Yeah,

453
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: so do you think that happened? No, you know it didn't.

454
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 6: Right.

455
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: Let's take a break, go and find out what Delourian

456
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: did do next and why it did not turn into BMW.

457
00:21:53,960 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Zaren, let's say you're John Doloorian. Okay, you're John Dolaurian. Sure, okay,

458
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: Well what do you do now?

459
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 3: I atone for everything I've done?

460
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you're not Elizabeth. How do you

461
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: make your secret dream car project happen?

462
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: Well? I buy some materials.

463
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: No, number, you're John Delorian, I get a ratchet. No,

464
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: you're John Delorian. You go and you can Margaret Thatcher, No,

465
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: you're not thinking big enough.

466
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 3: You are naming all the best people exactly.

467
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five he founded the DeLorean Motor Company, right.

468
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: But he needed investors, right, so he looks around for

469
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: some and he's like, oh, I know some. He finds

470
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: a few, especially one big investor. In nineteen seventy eight,

471
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: Delaurion made a deal with the British government. He's like,

472
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: you be my investor. They're like right eyoh.

473
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: He's like, look, Maggie, I know that you love denigrating

474
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: the workers, and I'm going to start a factor.

475
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: I want to give you some ye portunity together. So

476
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: the Brits, as you know, Elizabeth, they just endured a

477
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: really dicey economic decade, yeah or two, and the Brits

478
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: they look to the iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher to smooth

479
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: things over. She's there Ronald Reagan.

480
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 6: Right.

481
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: So anyway, Delaurien he goes over there and he sweet

482
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: talks the Brits into being his financial partner. The British government,

483
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: as you point out, they needed jobs. Dolorian had jobs.

484
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: He needed money, they had money. It was a match

485
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: made in con man heaving, Yeah. So Delaurian he tells

486
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: newly elected Margaret, that's your inter conservative British government. I

487
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: can build you a factory, design and produce a car,

488
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: employ two thousand people, all in eighteen months. They're like, oh,

489
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: we love it, we love it. It's fabulous. Right, So that

490
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: was exactly what the Iron Lady wanted to hear. Margaret

491
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: Thatcher was like, oh, this all sounds stupendous, mister Delaurien.

492
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: So what if we give you one million? No, no, sorry,

493
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: I make that one hundred million pounds? Oh I think

494
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: do you build a car factory in.

495
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: West Belfast, North Ireland?

496
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: And what do you say to that, mister Delaurien? My

497
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: Margaret Thatcher spot on? You ever heard? You're like, that's

498
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: so good.

499
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: I didn't even do it, that's spot on.

500
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: Delaurian was like, as they say in my country, you

501
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 2: got a deal, Mags. So the cost of the British

502
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: government how much one hundred and twenty million dollars? Wow,

503
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: leaving eighty million dollars for Delorian to come up with

504
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: on his own. So he's like, I've taken it down

505
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: from two hundred million down to eighty million. Good job, Delorian. Right,

506
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: So he's like, okay, where am I going to find that?

507
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: Laurian goes, I know some high roller investors. I'll just

508
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: cobble them together, maybe get some dentists from nebrascals. Put

509
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: this done. A couple days he goes out. He talks

510
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: to his drinking and carousing Budd's Johnny Carson, Sammy Davis, Janry.

511
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: He's like, I got this car project. You guys might

512
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: have heard about it. You want to get involved? Cars

513
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, totally. He gives them like a half

514
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: million dollars and Sam Dames was like, oh yeah, Dolly,

515
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: I like this idea. Here's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

516
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: He's like, I was kind of think a little bigger guys.

517
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

518
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, so it takes him a while. He gets

519
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: together all of investors' money and then he goes and

520
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: the BRIT's good to their word. They build the factory.

521
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty one, the Dolorean factory opens in dun Murray,

522
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: North Ireland, Northern Ireland. Rather yeah, the new factory ready

523
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: to mass produce the secret dream car, the DeLorean DMC twelve.

524
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: That's its official name. Did you ever want a Delorian?

525
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: By the way, when you were a kid and your

526
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: brother trap ever want one? If you won the lottery,

527
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: which I know you're still playing.

528
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: I know. Well, no, only if it gets over one billion.

529
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: Okay, well, whatever would you buy Travin, me and Producer

530
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: Day of our own Deloreans? Yeah, because I think I

531
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: can speak for the group. We would all like that.

532
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, right off the bat.

533
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: With the Delorian, there was a problem with it. It's

534
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: like a dream car. It's fun to talk about, fun

535
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: to like, oh, you should buy me one, but if

536
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: you actually owned one, that's a different, whole different question. Right, Well,

537
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: here was you talk about the price, but did you

538
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: know about this? No. In nineteen eighty one, a brand

539
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: new Corvette cost sixteen thousand dollars two hundred and fifty

540
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: eight dollars.

541
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

542
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Then nineteen eighty one a Pontiac Firebird cost thirteen two

543
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: hundred and four dollars.

544
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 5: Huh.

545
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: They're a new competitor, the DeLorean DMC twelve. It was

546
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: slated to sell for twenty five thousand dollars.

547
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: This sounds an awful lot like another drug addled megalomaniac

548
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: car guy in the world.

549
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: Do I know him? Does he exist? Now?

550
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: Yes?

551
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: Yes? There is certainly an analog.

552
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: Too, is an analog. They kind of the cars kind

553
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: of Look, we'll.

554
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: Come back to that because it's it's right there. You

555
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: are a spot caudinary tail. It should be just say,

556
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: it should be adjusted for inflation. That twenty five thousand

557
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: dollars car would be eighty three thousand dollars in twenty

558
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: twenty four dollars. I know you're like the conversion. I

559
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: love him now, DeLorean He's always meant to make himself

560
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: a luxury sports car, which isn't really a problem. We

561
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: do know there's Portia and there's Ferrari McLaren. You can

562
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: make a luxury sports car and people will buy it. Yeah,

563
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: how did it play out for Delorean's a new luxury

564
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: sports car. Well, as you just pointed out, we have

565
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: our modern analog. One might say the new Tesla cyber

566
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: truck and it's stainless steel design is a nod to

567
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: Deloorian and by one I mean Elon Musk. He said that.

568
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: He said that he's specifically wanted his truck to be

569
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: a shout out to the Dolore. Oh God, of course,

570
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: his cyber truck is the first stainless steel vehicle since

571
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: the DeLorean hit the road. Did you know that.

572
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: I did not know.

573
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: You know why that is. There's a very good reason

574
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: why that is that no one has been making cars

575
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: out of stainless steel.

576
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: I think that isn't it. It's like weight and also

577
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: body repair, like you have to remove.

578
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: Everything about it. Sucks, it scrat it's dings, it discolors,

579
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: it shows all the warps and like the flaws and

580
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: the anywhere it's been worked. At the same time, while

581
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: it may look cool and like on a drawing or

582
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: in a picture, up close does not usually look cool.

583
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: And also it's heavy as hell.

584
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: It's ugly as sin. Yes, And from what I understand,

585
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: my brother was telling me about how if you open

586
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: up a cyber truck trunk and then close it, there's

587
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: no there's no warning thing to like protect anything in

588
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: the way. So there's video of someone putting a carrot

589
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: in there and it just slices it clean in half.

590
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: So your fingers, if you put your hand in the

591
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: wrong place when.

592
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: The trunk, fingers bye bye, oh God.

593
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 3: And they're just so uly.

594
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: When I was a boy, I had my fingers stuck

595
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: in doors and trunks to so many.

596
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: Times I've totally had my finger slammed in the doors

597
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: and it's closed, and you're like screaming.

598
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: My dad was driving like seventies Cadillacts. So you imagine

599
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: you're four years old, you got your thumb stuck in

600
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: the door of a seventies Catillact. Youthing like, well, I'm

601
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: never getting that thumb back. He really would for the

602
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: cyber truck, that would be come gone. I'd be like, right,

603
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: cigar cutter.

604
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: Well, only clowns will drive that thing.

605
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, the famous car designer who drew up the dream

606
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: card that he's trying to imitate, his name is your

607
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: jetto Zario, right if you say so, Yeah, I want

608
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: to know what's wild that dude, Giazzario. He loves the

609
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: cyber truck. And I don't just think it's because it

610
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: bites his design. He's like, yeah, that thing is awesome,

611
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: looks just like my car. I do believe he really

612
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: likes it. Giazzario. He went so far as to call

613
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: the Tesla's cyber truck the Picasta of automobiles.

614
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like Picasso is all jacked up and faces.

615
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: Side depending on what period of Picasso.

616
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: For real, the cyber truck looks like it was like

617
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: an eight year old drew like their dream machine.

618
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Someone's like, all right, well to build it, and it says,

619
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: by it build it. So this Tesla cyber truck Giajario.

620
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: He called it quote hugely successful because people want to

621
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: stand out. That's what he expects it to be successful.

622
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: Wrong with society.

623
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: He also said the cyber truck quote does not represent

624
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: the search for harmony and perfection, but for emotion and robustness.

625
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to distinguish themselves. It's a market necessity, and

626
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: the cyber truck will surely be successful. I am sure

627
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: of it. I am convinced it will find its admirers.

628
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: So you guys have different opinions. I guess time will

629
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: tell Elizabeth now. To be fair, the DeLorean faced a

630
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: similar fate when it dropped. A lot of people are

631
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: very critical for starters. Making a car from scratch is

632
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: not easy. Elon Musk has found out car makers have

633
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: a huge skill set of a storehouse of r indeed

634
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: to draw up on, not to mention people who have

635
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 2: all kinds of knowledge and experiences. To build a car.

636
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: You need car people essentially, right Deloorian, He figures this out.

637
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: He knows this he's a car guy, so he's like, oh,

638
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: we need to get some car people. He tries to

639
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: but they're like, oh, I can't work with you my car.

640
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: Nobody could come work with him because remember the Americans

641
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: don't want to help their competition. So Delorian has to

642
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: turn to Portia and BMW. He's like, can you guys

643
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: help me? The German car designers like, oh yeah, if

644
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: you gets how can we help you. Delairen's like, I

645
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: want to build my dream car in Northern Ireland and

646
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to be made out of stainless steel, and

647
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: germanys were like yeah, is that just funny? No, but

648
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: oh yore not joking, this is for real. You want

649
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: to buy it? Okay, we sawt you were making very

650
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: funny joke, mister Delauri and okay was then we could

651
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: build you a prototype and like, I don't know to

652
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: take many years and he's like no, no, I need it now,

653
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: like would snap to it in American style, And they're like,

654
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we're not going to be able to do that.

655
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: So he turns to the Brits because the Brits were

656
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: like years, that's much too long.

657
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 7: You know.

658
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: We beat the Germans in world War two, we got

659
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: this and so he's like, yeah, tell you like that energy.

660
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: So the Lotus Group, the British car maker, they are

661
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: to help DeLorean build his prototype. John Dolori meanwhile, old

662
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: Maverick that he is. He's selling the hell out of

663
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: his new car, his new car company, his own genius.

664
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: He's much like in the og to Elon Muskin, this

665
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: way right, all sales not at the time. In nineteen eighty,

666
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: just prior to this, he told a journalist who'd profiled

667
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: him for an in flight magazine, remember those in flight magazines.

668
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: He said, quote, depending on the degree of integration, we're

669
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: capable of building anything from one hundred and twenty thousand,

670
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand cars in a year in

671
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: our North Ireland plant. Do you think that's true? That

672
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: does a lot of.

673
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 7: Cars, like of all the places to build a plant

674
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 7: like outside delphasty one, and you know, you know it's

675
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 7: going to be like shipbuilding at the time, where it's

676
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 7: like they're not going to hire the Catholics.

677
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Yes, there is definitely, So.

678
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: What I say is we get rid of that.

679
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: So interestingly enough, the IRA will come into the story,

680
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: thank god, So so Laurian Yea. He told that same

681
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: journalist that he also had plans for a new sedan.

682
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: After he gets his luxury sports car out there, he's

683
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: gonna have a sedan, and you know he wants to

684
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: get the normies, get them a car. So he says,

685
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: and I quote, probably have four golfing doors and be

686
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: like a five passenger with about the same interior accommodations

687
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: as a Mercedes four fifty sel going doors, going doors.

688
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: Can you imagine pulling into a parking lotless with the goalway.

689
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: That's from my point. So finally, nineteen eighty, the automotive

690
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: journalists they get their first looks at this new car.

691
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: They get to test drive this new car, the Delarean

692
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: DMC twelve. It is real. It's in front of them,

693
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: it's on the tarmact or like, give me the keys,

694
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm driving, Elizabeth. Why do you think this went?

695
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: Oh man that the test drives? Did it not go well?

696
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: Did they not drive very well?

697
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: Well?

698
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: Remember it's all out. I said it was stainless steel,

699
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: and that's really heavy. Yeah, I remember, I said, there's

700
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: the car's gold wing doors. Those are also heavy, like

701
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: super heavy.

702
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: The lines on the car were very sharp. They're not

703
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: soft lion.

704
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: No, it's not aerodynamic in that regard. No, No, the

705
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: DMC twelve is again it is supposed to be like

706
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: a BMW. That's what his analog was for it. Ideally.

707
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: He also compared it to the Jaguar XJS in terms

708
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: of the handling and the driving experience. Very liability. So

709
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: when the DMC hits the road, it was powered by

710
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: a French engine made by Renault. So Delorian made the

711
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: bold choice of making a sports car that wasn't particularly fast.

712
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: Right.

713
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: Yes, his DMC twelve topped out one hundred and ninety

714
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: five kilometers an hour. Now, if like me, you're not

715
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: good at these quick conversions, that works out to be

716
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty miles per hour. His sports car

717
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: top speed one hundred and twenty miles an hour.

718
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I bet you when you get it up

719
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: to one twenty it starts shimming. It's like I thought

720
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: it was breaking up and kept.

721
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Now as for the get up and go, like, how

722
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: quick did it start?

723
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: Right?

724
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: His car had none of that either, So bad top

725
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: speed and also no pickup at The Delaian sports car

726
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: went from zero to sixty in about ten seconds. Oh

727
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: your kids, that's like one of the little Toyota pickups.

728
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally so delorriy.

729
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: He's confident though, he's like, Americans are gonna love this.

730
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where this confidence is coming from. Maybe

731
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: the cocaine.

732
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: I don't like, you know what, They're not very bright,

733
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: he love.

734
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: He may be having to try to sell his dream car,

735
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: so he may be lying little. I think. All right,

736
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: So there's a huge problem with Delarean though, one that

737
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: I'd forgot to mention up till now, some whole thing

738
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: called timing, because there's something called the nineteen seventies oil embargo.

739
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: Oh oh my god.

740
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: That was followed by inflation and economics and a recession,

741
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: and then response Americans started wanting smaller cars. This is

742
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: where you get like the gas gozlers go bye bye,

743
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, everyone's like, I want to Honda.

744
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: I want to you go.

745
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: Cadillacs are out, you go start in. So delorious the

746
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: car remember tho oh jezu. Yes he's got his DMC

747
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: twelve made in Northern Ireland with British labor, with a

748
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: French engine, body, stainless steel. Super cool looking sports car

749
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: goes slow as hell, heavy as hell. Oh, by the way,

750
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: it's also it costs more than a Portion nine twenty

751
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: four if you were looking to buy one. So the

752
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: reviews from the automotive press predictably savage the car.

753
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what a zero to sixty on a

754
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: night of Portion nine twenty four was at the time.

755
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure, I don't know. I do don't know.

756
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: So we have a little more extra bad timing because

757
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: John Delorean's like, that's not enough for me. One of

758
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: his investors, the part owners of the company, Johnny Carson,

759
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: he goes out one night in nineteen eighty two, he's

760
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: driving his brand new DeLorean and he gets arrested in

761
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills for drunk driving. The next day, it's all

762
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: over the front pages. And that's what you call good press.

763
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: So in that first year DeLorean he hoped to sell

764
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: roughly twelve thousand cars. Can you guess how many he sold?

765
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Three thousand? No, he sold a quarter of what he

766
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: hoped to sell.

767
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: Three thousand. People out there, hat Delorian.

768
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: Now, if you might have guessed, Elizabeth, we've reached the

769
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: cocaine portion of this story.

770
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: Cocaine, you knew it was coming.

771
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: You know it, You can almost like see it on

772
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: the horizon marching forward. Now after this break and then

773
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: we should take a break, I'll tell you about how

774
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: John Dolorian got busted with millions of dollars of cash

775
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: in a briefcase and a boatload of booger sugar, all

776
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: because he wanted to save his car company.

777
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: Oh god, Okay, Elizabeth, I have to say first what

778
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: I've been doing to you in this in this recording session,

779
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: is that there's this guy Chad on Instagram who teaches

780
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: people how to say things in sign language that are like,

781
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: you know, non conventional. Oh yeah, So I admit that

782
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: I have been signing like terrible things to.

783
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: You, like I know what some of those mean.

784
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: It's so good, and I promise from this point forward,

785
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to stop.

786
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: He did not stop, you just you just did it.

787
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: My hand happened to touch my face.

788
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: WHOA, I just signed you need Jesus.

789
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: I know I know what the finger did. The palm

790
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: means stigma.

791
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: Anyway, I apologize. I want to apologize to the to

792
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: producer Dave. I'm sorry you had to see all that.

793
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 2: My eyes are burning.

794
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: To Okay, anyway.

795
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've reached the big crime of this story.

796
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: We really have ready to start acting, right, so I

797
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: can tell you this story.

798
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: We'll pull it together.

799
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Okay, we're ready to talk about one of your favorite subjects, cocaine.

800
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: So throughout the nineteen seventies, John Dolaurient and cocaine. They

801
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: had a great time, fabulous run. They were everywhere. They

802
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: were in New York discos together, they were in swanky

803
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: LA restaurants. They could be found in Fifth Avenue apartments,

804
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: in mansions in New Jersey, is Hollywood Hills homes. Anywhere

805
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: you looked, it was swanky, cool or fun, there was

806
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: cocaine and John do right. Sure.

807
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: I mean the thing is, it's like you're in the discothech,

808
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: you're doing this, you're you know, you're hanging out with

809
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: your every day Yes, we talk about all of this

810
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 3: all the time. Of the cocaine.

811
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Yes, the cocaine.

812
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: We talk about the cocaine. It's ridiculous. Of course it's

813
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: going to show up all the time.

814
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like the what's that fabric that

815
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: catches fire? That was big? Oh, polyester. It's like the

816
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: polyester of drugs. It's just going to show up in

817
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: all the worse everywhere. So eventually the long come the

818
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: nineteen eightiesuddly things change. Cocaine continues to kick it right,

819
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: but it's lost a bunch of it's cool. It gets

820
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: turned into crack and exactly, and Delarean he gets even

821
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: deeper in with this disco drug because even though disco's dead,

822
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, party's got to keep going. So where

823
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: were we? It's right nineteen eighty one DeLorean. He'd started

824
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: selling his dream car, the DMC twelve, no relation to

825
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: run DMC, and it's not going well.

826
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: What does DMC stand for?

827
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: Delarean Motor Company? The car get I just thought it

828
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: was Delorian, like Chevrolet Delorian Motor Company exactly, Bavarian Motorworks.

829
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: There you go, or Bob Marley and the Whalers.

830
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: Also the other one another name for that car. The

831
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: car gets ripped in the reviews, right, and they told

832
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: you automobile or press. They take turns dunking on it like, oh,

833
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: let me take a shot.

834
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: I love doing stuff like that.

835
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's one point where like uh car and Driver

836
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: magazine they do this big story big and they have

837
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: the brutal like title the Decline and Fall of the

838
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Dolorean Dream. The story has this illustration of a Doloreian car.

839
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: It sat out. It's so it's left to rust behind

840
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: a chicken farm. What's tires gone? It's just the portrait

841
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: of American failure. Oh yeah, it's great. They're just dunking

842
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: on this guy. Right, But his car's failure wasn't his

843
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: only trouble. Because Margaret Thatcher could read right. She was

844
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: a prolific reader that Mags. She's reading all the time, Elizabeth,

845
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: and she read the newspapers and so she knew the word.

846
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: On her partner, John Delaurian, he was making her and

847
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: her British government look big time foolish in the press.

848
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: They looked like they should be behind a chicken farm.

849
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: Why is that like such an I love that. That's

850
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: like a huge insult. Well, we all know the car's

851
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: stupid and it's falling apart in ps it's behind a

852
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: chicken farm.

853
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: So this was always a risk for Margaret that you

854
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: know that John Delorian would make her look foolish, But

855
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: now the risk was reality did that pretty well on

856
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: her own totally. But the British government they launched an

857
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: investigation and the financial improprieties at the Dolarean Motor Company.

858
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: What what Now? This is officially triggered right, this investigation

859
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: by Dolor himself because he'd gone to the brist and said, hey, guys,

860
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: I need like thirty million dollars? Can you just slip

861
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: me a cool thirty mil? And the Brits were like,

862
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: my good man, oh what did you do with the

863
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: money we've already given you? Where are the receipts for that?

864
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 6: So?

865
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh yeah, he walked away. So the

866
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: British investigation eventually they find no financial misdeeds. He's done fine,

867
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: no irregularities whatever. Delorian's good there. But Margaret Thatcher she's like,

868
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: I can't I can't afford to be made to look stupid. Yeah,

869
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: so she's like, I gotta cut my losses. So she

870
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: denies the bailout that he asked for. But not only that.

871
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: In February nineteen eighty two, the Brits up tied to

872
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: appoint a receiver to take over the DeLorean Motor Company's finances.

873
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: They're basically going, you're bankrupt. We've decided bankrupt.

874
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

875
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: So Delorian's like, oh wait, wait, any time. Let me

876
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: put together a deal. I'll buy it out of everything.

877
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we'll see what you can do, you know.

878
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: And so Delorian he's got to start scrambling. He's trying

879
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: to find new investors. You need big time money, right,

880
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: so Delaurian said, up that time, and I quote, I

881
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: began to spend every waking moment seeking investors. I cannot

882
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: afford to ignore anyone. Well, keep in mind he had

883
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: all sorts of famous, fabulously wealthy friends. But these people,

884
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: they're not fools. So DeLorean at this point is a

885
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: risky investment, right, just to say the least. But his

886
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: risk taking friends like Johnny Carson, Sammy Davis Junior, they've

887
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: already invested, so their bets already in. He's like, oh,

888
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: I can't go back to them. So he's down to

889
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: his last bets. And then one day, Elizabeth, he found

890
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: a wind of hope in the words of one of

891
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: his neighbors. His neighbors, of course, what luck, what serendipity.

892
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: He was willing to become a quote silent partner for

893
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: the DeLorean Motor company. The dude's name James Hoffman. Okay, Now,

894
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: James Hoffman was a curious person to go into business

895
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: with because at that point in his life he was

896
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: a convicted tax evader, a perjurer, and a cocaine smuggler.

897
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: So and his drug smuggler had recently been busted moving cocaine.

898
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: So when business wasn't good like at that moment, he

899
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: was also a paid FBI in foremant, so it was

900
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: a really dicey choice.

901
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

902
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: Anyway, Hoffman was facing charges for drug smuggling, so he

903
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: thought he could lessen his sentence if he brought the

904
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: FEDS a bigger fish or famous fish, like John Delaurian.

905
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: So he sets up his neighbor and then he goes

906
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: to the FBI and says, you'll never guess who approached

907
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: me about a coke deal.

908
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 7: What.

909
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: So the deal was this, Delaurian would front Hoffman a

910
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: cool two million dollars, which he would then use to

911
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: leverage sixty million dollar cocaine deal that they would both

912
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: then split cool thirty million dollars each. Boom boom boom.

913
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: Though while they plot in they plan this deals all together,

914
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: Hoffman's federal agent friends are recording everything, right.

915
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: So well recording, you say.

916
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: Yes, recording. So they're in a Washington, DC hotel room,

917
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 2: Delaurian and Hoffman are sitting around discussing their proposed coke deal.

918
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: All of it's recorded by the FEDS. There's one problem

919
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: with their proposed coke deal. Delaurian needed money. Delaurian didn't

920
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: have money. Yeah, so he's like, yeah, you just need

921
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: two million dollars. He's like, bro, I don't got two

922
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: million dollars. So he's like oh, He's like, you know,

923
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: I ain't liquid like that. So they're like, what do

924
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: I do? Finally he's like, well, you know, how about

925
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: maybe some stock or something. So on September fourth, nineteen

926
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: eighty two, Delaurian he met with Hoffman again at the

927
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: law enfont Plaza hotel in Washington, d C. Delorian updates

928
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: his partner on his plans. I've got good news. He

929
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: claims to have found the two million dollars he needs

930
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: to back the.

931
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: Coke deal right in the sofa Christians.

932
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: No, it's better than that. He got the money from

933
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: who he called very very tough guys. And that's a

934
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 2: quote quote very very tough guys as in the NOPE,

935
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: they were the IRA. He turned the IRA for a

936
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: two million dollar loan. He's like I'm trying to give

937
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: the Irish jobs. They're like in Northern Ireland, wrong side

938
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: of the line, mate, you're hitting me, yes, and it's

939
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: a time they're actively fighting Margaret Thatcher and her British cavalry. Yeah,

940
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: and then what years this nineteen eighty two.

941
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: We lost Bobby Sands eighty one, right.

942
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: This is a bit of a bad time, yes, exactly,

943
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: a bit of an interesting move for everybody involved, a

944
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: bit of a turnaround for DeLorean. He's like, now I'm

945
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: in business with the IRA try and working with Mags.

946
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: Yes, it goes to the opposite.

947
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: Said and I quote, I'm relying on you, saying that

948
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: there's no way of connecting me to this thing, and

949
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: hof and Hoffman assured him, you're not going to be

950
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: handling product. No, Delorian didn't won better and said, I'm

951
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a long way away.

952
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 3: All right, So he thinks that physical distance.

953
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: Ye, he'll be cool. Hoffman offered for Delorian to back

954
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: out of the deal if he was feeling skittish about

955
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: it. It was like, oh and Delorian, ever the mabbick. He

956
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: stayed true to his character and he told Hoffman, I

957
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 2: want to proceed so Delorian asked Hoffman at the coke

958
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: dealers and their financiers would consider taking some extra cash

959
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: in the form of stock in the DeLorean Motor company

960
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: is part of the deal. Like, maybe I could keep

961
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: one a million of this and give you guys one

962
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: million in stock. Hoffman. He goes back to his FBI

963
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: handlers and he tells them Deloorian's plan. I was like,

964
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 2: he wants to do. What Why would a coke dealer

965
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: want Delorian stock? Okay, fine, whatever, Tom will take the stock.

966
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't care. Just make the deal, right. So Hoffan

967
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: he goes back to Delorian and he tells them that

968
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: the fake coke dealers will take the Dolorian stock for

969
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: the cocaine. Delaurian's like, awesome, man, that's great news. Best

970
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: news I've heard all day. Now the hook is set,

971
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: So it's time for Delorian to meet the federal agents.

972
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: As the Washington Post put it, the federal agents posed

973
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: as quote a mafia drug financier and a quote drug

974
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: deal financing banker. So one is an FBI agent. One's

975
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: a Dee agent.

976
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: Right, he's the vice president of drug dealers.

977
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm telling you one thing I've learned federal agents love

978
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: improv they just don't get enough of it. They're always like,

979
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: just say yes and keep it moving.

980
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 3: Yes and yes.

981
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: And so with this loan from the IRA in hand

982
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: to buy the coke to save his factory, DeLorean set

983
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: the plan in motion. He phoned this dude, Bill Hettrick,

984
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: who was a drug smuggling pilot, and he tells, he's like,

985
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: I should tell you by the way, that these men

986
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: there are all using code words for their communication. But helpfully,

987
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: DeLorean he decides to decode them in real.

988
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 3: Time, so he like published a translation guide.

989
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: No, he said, and I quote Delaurian called Hettrick and

990
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: he told him, quote, they'd like to go ahead with

991
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: the monkeys a word for cocaine you had up in

992
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: San Francisco. That's so they're ready. They got the cash

993
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: and they want to go ahead and buy them the monkeys.

994
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: That is so good he's translating in real Amazing. You know,

995
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: why didn't this guy ever succeed.

996
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: Amazing, just naturally.

997
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 3: Think of how his life would have been different if

998
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: he hadn't have caught that like midlife crisis bug, or

999
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: if he'd talk to someone who was like, you know what,

1000
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: just stay the course, You've got a really great life. Yes,

1001
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: he'd still be married, you know, he'd be.

1002
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: Just his ego is bigger than his body could contain.

1003
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly.

1004
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: No.

1005
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: October eighteenth, the drug smuggling pilot does his run. He

1006
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: smuggled fifty five pounds of cocaine, delivered it. That's like

1007
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: a small child of cocaine.

1008
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, fifty five pounds.

1009
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he delivered it to a waiting federal agent and

1010
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: he was properly arrested. So now that they have their

1011
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: evidence in hand, the Feds give Hoffman the go ahead

1012
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: to spring their trap. So Hoffman he contacted Delaurian. It

1013
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: told him to meet him at a hotel room near

1014
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: Lax Airport in La de Laurian flew in from New

1015
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: York to seal this deal. Elizabeth, I'd like you to

1016
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: close your eyes as a close I'd like you to

1017
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: picture it. It's October nineteenth, nineteen eighty two. You're at

1018
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: the Sheraton Plaza l Rhina hotel near Lax Airport. It's

1019
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: an okay spot, fake nice whatever you Elizabeth are a

1020
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: bottle of French champagne. You're chilling in a silver terrein

1021
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: of ice waiting to be enjoyed. Hosts them a long,

1022
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: strange trip, bringing you from your beginnings into a champagne

1023
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: cave in France to an airport hotel in La to

1024
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: celebrate a coke deal. But whatever, Viva la France. Now

1025
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: they're in the silver taureine, where you're chilling in a

1026
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: bath of ice. You can see everything. There are a

1027
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: few men in the hotel room, all of them dressed

1028
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: in suits. They look like executives, except for one man

1029
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: with his dyed black hair, his open collar shirt and

1030
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: the gregarious air about him. You like him instantly, You're like,

1031
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: is he French? You the charismatic man. He lifts a

1032
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: briefcase onto the hotel bed and says he brought his

1033
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: part of the deal. He clicks open the briefcase. When

1034
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: they see the millions in cash, the other men laugh

1035
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: in the conspiratorial way. Then the unzip a duffel bag.

1036
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: One of the men reaches into the bag and flips

1037
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: out a package. You don't know what it is since

1038
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: you're a bottle of champagne, but I'll tell you it's

1039
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: a wrapped quilo of cocaine. If you could gasp, you would,

1040
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: But one of the men says, that's fifty five pounds

1041
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: of cocaine in the bag. As promised. He hands the

1042
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: kei low to the charismatic Man. He cuts it open

1043
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: and checks it. He does that knife tip trial of

1044
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: the coke bang you see on TV shows if you

1045
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: watch them, but.

1046
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: You're I don't watch your champagne bottle.

1047
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you don't watch TV anyway. It is

1048
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: indeed the real deal, uncut booger sugar. The charismatic man says, excitedly,

1049
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: this is better than gold. Gold weighs more than that,

1050
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: for God's sakes. Then he reaches for you. Your moment

1051
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: has come, Elizabeth. He lifts you up out of your

1052
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: ice bath and he peels away the foil. He untwists

1053
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: the cage that holds down your cork. Then, with a

1054
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: flourish and a twist, he pops you open. Your cork

1055
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: carrams off the hotel room ceiling and lands on the

1056
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: bed next to the briefcase of cash. The charismatic Man

1057
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: turns you on your side, and he empties your bubbly

1058
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: contents into waiting champagne flutes. The men all take up

1059
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: a champagne flute. They each raise their glass. The charismatic

1060
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: man says, I think it's gonna be wonderful for everybody,

1061
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: to a lot of success.

1062
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: For everybody, and the cocaine.

1063
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: Just before everyone is about to enjoy the tickle of

1064
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: your bubbles, the moment is shattered. The hotel room door

1065
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: busts open. An FBI agent coincidentally named Jerry West rushes

1066
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 2: into the room and tells the charismatic man he's under arrest.

1067
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: The men all set their champagne flutes down. Drat it all, Elizabeth.

1068
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: No one enjoys your bubbles. Your deliciousness goes unappreciated. Your

1069
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: sparkle is left to go flat.

1070
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to go live in the La Sewers soon.

1071
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: Hotel sink.

1072
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: You're going for the gutters. So that was a cokebuster,

1073
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Speaker 2: John Delorian. You ready for the bitter irony. Yes, Delorian

1074
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: didn't need the cocaine deal, because earlier that same day

1075
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: the British government announced that the DeLorean factory would be shuttered.

1076
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: There was nothing to save. This dream was already dead.

1077
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Speaker 3: Wow.

1078
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: After less than two years of production in Northern Ireland,

1079
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Speaker 2: the British built factory that housed the Delorian Motor Company

1080
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: closed its doors. Officially, how many Deloreans do you think

1081
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: were built? Elizabeth M. Nine thousand. It's estimated there about

1082
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: five to six thousand of these cars left on the

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00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: roads today.

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00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: Really or barn, I've seen one in the world.

1085
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been inside one. I guess you're kidding

1086
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: you have. I'm a car person. Yeah, I see pretty

1087
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: much all the major iconic cars. I've either seen one

1088
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: at a car show or like at a you know,

1089
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: like if I'm driving in the Midwest and you see

1090
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: one like at a car lot, I'm like, pull over,

1091
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: we gotta go see that dukes of hazard car trunk.

1092
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: Exactly where do you come up with?

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00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 7: So?

1094
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: Delorian's subsequent drug trafficking trial huge news. It's it really

1095
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: actually marked the beginning of a wave of high profile

1096
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: celebrity criminal trials. He was the one who marks the

1097
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: beginning that leads to like all the ones we know

1098
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: and currently going on. April eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, his

1099
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Speaker 2: trial begins. Naturally, DeLorean pleads not guilty. Sure he got

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Speaker 2: himself a good, good lawyer. He put together one hell

1101
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Speaker 2: of a defense. The trial lasted for three months, sixty

1102
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Speaker 2: three days of testimony. Elizabeth there was a ton of evidence,

1103
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: lots of videotape audio. Remember the Feds have been taping

1104
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Speaker 2: and recording everything they had hoarding. They had Hoffman and

1105
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: DeLorean talking cocaine and investments in money and stock, all

1106
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: of it on tape. So when Hoffman took the stand,

1107
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: he stayed there. He practically moved into the witness stand.

1108
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: He was on the witness stand for eighteen days straight.

1109
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, he laid out the whole story right. Meanwhile,

1110
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: there was DeLorean. He came into court every day on

1111
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: his arm with his supermodel wife. At this point he

1112
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: stopped dyeing his hair. His hair is pure white. Oh

1113
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: so he's iconic looking also, and yet he's also still

1114
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: the charming guy, right. Everyone kind of likes him. And

1115
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: also he'd recently converted to Christianity, because you know, he

1116
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: said this was due to his time spent reflecting as

1117
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: he waited a trial and prisoner in jail. The narrative.

1118
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: Delorean's lawyer, though, tells in court brilliant the Hoffman, he says,

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00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: approached Delaurian that his client the thought that this was

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00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: a legitimate investment, which is why he'd offered the coke

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00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: dealers stock he thought they were investors.

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00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: His lawyer argued that his client, Delorium, was actually the

1124
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: victim of a sinister plot, one hatched by an overreaching

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00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: federal agency and a lying, connithing, deceitful drug smuggling paid

1126
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: FBI and formant people were like, oh, tell me more.

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00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: The defense attorney, he alleged to the FBI, guys, they lied,

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00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: they falsified documents. They even backdated some of the documents

1129
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 2: to fit their narrative, which is all pretty much true.

1130
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: They also destroyed evidence and withheld other crucial evidence. Jury's

1131
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: lapping it up. The Delorean's attorney suggested the FBI was

1132
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: drawn by the flickering flame of fame, and like proverbial moths,

1133
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: the agents just couldn't help themselves when Hoffman brought them

1134
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: a chance to bust the ever famous John delori and

1135
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: the agents were like, it's on sign.

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00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm sure he was just irritating the gebers

1137
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: out of him, like he is me, And so they're

1138
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: just like, how can we get rid of him?

1139
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: They stop? You like to bring down some of the

1140
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: people with big humorists, right, yeah, So the defense attorney

1141
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: he went to work on Hoffman after his eighteen days

1142
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: of testimony, the Larean's attorney picks it all apart, makes

1143
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: it worthless. He argued that it was a pack of

1144
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: lies paid for by the FBI as part of their

1145
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: manufactured drug deal and staying operation. One of the main

1146
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: witnesses characters was now thoroughly assassinated. The defense moved on

1147
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: to a stafeablishing plausible doubt for his client. His attorney

1148
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: argued that Deloreian never committed a crime. Point to the

1149
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: crime he'd committed, He was only ever looking for investors.

1150
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 2: How is that wrong in America? Right? He's willing to

1151
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: consider taking money from unsavory characters. Yes, fine, okay, it

1152
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: was the IRA who cares, so it doesn't matter that

1153
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: there are alleged revolutionaries whatever. The defense rests. John Delourian

1154
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: never even took the stand. Elizabeth. Wow, they say, don't

1155
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: take this. I'm not take the stand. The jury convenes,

1156
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: they mull over the charges, they argue the details. What

1157
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: do you think was going to be their decision?

1158
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: I know because I told I mentioned it in another episode.

1159
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh the man, right, the.

1160
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: Man who pulled apart the FBI tapes. Yes, none other

1161
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: than Anthony pellicanna, that's.

1162
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

1163
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 3: Yes.

1164
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: So August sixteen, nineteen eighty four, after roughly twenty nine

1165
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: hours of deliberation, the jury returns a verdict of acquitted

1166
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: on all charges, with a verdict was read Delorian turns

1167
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: around Hugs' supermodel wife. Later, he told his attorneys a

1168
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: birthday present, it's just like Perry Mason, Perry Mason. The

1169
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: thing was that the jurors they did not like Hoffman,

1170
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: nor did they seem to enjoy his eighteen days of testimony.

1171
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: The thoroughness of that really backfired for defense. One juror

1172
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: said Hoffman was quote a shabby creep. Another juror cited

1173
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: what they felt was federal entrapment, and they said the

1174
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: way a government agents acted in this case was not appropriate.

1175
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: There was yet another juror who wanted to make it clear,

1176
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: I do not believe he was innocent, but the juror

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Speaker 2: then later added that it was specifically that he was

1178
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: not guilty. One other juror, she was in her twenties,

1179
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: and she was the youngest of all of them. She

1180
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: recalled the jury's deliberations inside the juror room, and she

1181
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: said a number of us cried, some of us lost

1182
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: a lot of sleep or a lot of weight, so

1183
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: to lawrence. Defense attorney Howard L. Whitesman later attempted to

1184
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: sum up his client right. He said, Don Delaurian quote

1185
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: is a very complicated individual who was willing to play

1186
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: close to the edge. Whitesman also said, and I quote

1187
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: he was very art, innovative, and a gambler. His arrogance

1188
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: and entitlement clouded his judgment. I've represented many people over

1189
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: the years, but John Delaurian had one of the most

1190
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: warped views of right and wrong. Gots his own lawyer

1191
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: a lawyer. So, after Delaurian beat the Feds, his supermodel wife, right,

1192
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: what does she do? She serves some divorce paper. She's like,

1193
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: I play my role. I'm out right. She had takes

1194
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: him to court. He'd also get sued by a group

1195
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: of his investors. It was not looking like nineteen eighty

1196
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: five would be a good year for John Delaurian, But then,

1197
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, a fun summer movie about a teenager

1198
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: who traveled back in time to the nineteen fifties and

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Speaker 2: a time machine made from a Delorian became one of

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00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: the biggest hit movies of the year and of the decade, Elizabeth,

1201
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: we finally reached the Back to the Future section of

1202
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: this story. That film single handedly saved the legacy of

1203
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: the DeLorean. It made the car iconic before Back to

1204
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: the Future, the DeLorean was a punchline. It was a

1205
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: cautionary tale.

1206
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: Why it was in the movie that it was a

1207
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: little bit of a joke.

1208
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's still become cool now. Otherwise we would

1209
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: not be talking about the DeLorean. It would be out

1210
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: there with the Yugo as a forgotten car.

1211
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: What's the other one?

1212
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: The which one?

1213
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: Tucker?

1214
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: Oh the Tucker? Yes, good call, right. It was decidedly

1215
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: uncool though, basically, and Michael J. Fox when he climbed

1216
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: in that time machine built by Christopher Lloyd faster than

1217
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: you can say, great Scott. The pair turned that Delaurian

1218
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: into the car we know today, which is cool enough

1219
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: that Elon Musk wants to make a truck out of it. Anyway,

1220
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: John Dolaurien, he sent handwritten thank you notes to the

1221
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: director Bob Zemeckis and screenwriter Bob Gail. The film was

1222
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 2: so successful that Delaurian was suddenly flushed with cash from

1223
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: toy license deals as well as licensing fees from the

1224
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 2: three films and the animated cartoon series. On March nineteenth,

1225
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, Delarean finally passed away, age eighty,

1226
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: from complications from a stroke. It was the end of

1227
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: a long and rebellious winding road. Little detail for you, Elizabeth.

1228
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 2: John Dolourian was buried wearing a black leather motorcycle jacket.

1229
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh god, I knew that reaction.

1230
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 3: The post life crisis.

1231
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: Yes, it continued till coming dead. So for a final word,

1232
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: John Dolreian summed up his own legacy to a journalist

1233
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: an interview in Playboy, and I quote, I think my

1234
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: ultimate sin, and it was really terrible, was that I

1235
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: had this insatiable pride. Looking back at it, I see

1236
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: that I had an arrogance that was beyond that if

1237
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: any other human being alive. And I gotta say it's

1238
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: a shame John Dolian did not live long enough to

1239
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: see Kanye West, because he would have felt so relieved.

1240
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: He's like, wha wait a minute, wait a minute, new

1241
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: data has come in. John Dolaorian ain't not eat number one. Yeah, anyway, Elizabeth,

1242
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

1243
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: I got a couple of quick ones. One, I like

1244
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: what the juror said that Hoffen was a shabby creep.

1245
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: Shabby is my new insult phenomenal to Doloreian gross shabby.

1246
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, there my ridiculed takeaway. I was always thank

1247
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: you for asking, Elizabeth, is I agree with you? Good

1248
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: points everything. So you want to hear you in the

1249
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: move for a talkback? Oh yeah, producer Dave hit It.

1250
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 6: Oh.

1251
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: Hello, chee.

1252
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 5: Hey guys, this is Teley Fox talks from Twitter, and

1253
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: I just wanted to share that while I was listening

1254
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 5: to the Blingering episode, every time Zarin said dog door Diana,

1255
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 5: I busted out, singing, those.

1256
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 6: Teams were made just for they're not gonna foot on me.

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 6: Do do donah no, dot do Diana, Yeah, dog do

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Speaker 6: do and.

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00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 5: Nah, hey guys, it's Telly Fox again. What I did

1260
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 5: not share was that apparently some of my coworkers heard me,

1261
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 5: so when I came into work the next night, I

1262
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 5: was asked if I was going to be serenading them again,

1263
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: which was super embarrassing and ridiculous.

1264
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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, all right, Well you can find us online

1265
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: always at ridiculous Crime on Twitter and Instagram. We have

1266
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: the website ridiculous Crime dot com. Obviously we'd like to

1267
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: talk back, so hit us up with them. Go to

1268
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: the iHeart app recorded talkback. Maybe you can hear yourself

1269
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: on the air. Always email us if you want Ridiculous

1270
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: Crime at gmail dot com. Start it, Dear Elizabeth, thanks

1271
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 2: for listening and we'll catch you next track. Ridiculous Crime

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaron Brenette, produced and

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: edited by Dave Doc Brown Cousten. Researched by Marissa Wait

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00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: why am I not? Doc Brown Brown? And Andrea Can

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Speaker 2: I be? Marty McFly song sharpened hear our theme song

1276
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: is by Thomas What was Crispin Glover's name in the movie?

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Speaker 2: That's me? Lee and Travis Then I am the time

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Speaker 2: Machine Dutton. The host wardrobe provided by Body five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Executive producers are Ben Damn, I wanted to be the

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Speaker 2: DeLorean Bowlin and know well I am the flux Capacitor

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