1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: M hm m h. Welcome back All the Smoke Takeover 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors Edition. Man, we're right here in the 3 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: beautiful Bay area for me and Jack. If the streets 4 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: could talk out here, we might not be sitting here 5 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: at all. Man. We want to welcome to the show 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: and really think, Um Bob Myers and obviously a guy 7 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: behind the camera, Raymond Ritter, for making this happen and 8 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: allowing us to come to the facility. Um, Bob, let's 9 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: get to it. Man, about ten years doing what you're 10 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: doing here, four rings in the last eight years. Tell 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: me what this experience has been like for you. That's 12 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: a big, big question. First of all, thank you guys 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: wanted to be on All the Smoke. Yeah, you know 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: from Afar. I never knew if it would happen. Um yeah, man, 15 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean you played here. You both played here. Uh 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: so you know more than the people listening or watching. No, 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: it was not Um, it just was not looked upon 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: as a great brand. And I grew up. I grew 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: up seeing some good things with with Molly and Timmy 20 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and uh Mitch, but that didn't last long. And then 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: what you guys did you know seven oh eight and 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: even the years leading up, like you saw did people 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: still talk about that, but we believe. I remember watching that. 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: I was in l A. And my wife's not a 25 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: big basketball person. So I turned on that game and 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: it was game one or game whenever. It was the 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: first home game three, and said, I could feel through 28 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: the TV the energy and building. I've never seen that 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: before and I've never seen it since. And I was 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: kind of like, come, come look at this, and She's 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: like what And I said, this is not normal, these 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: fans standing up and like what an hour before the game, 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: and so what I you know, I represented players, and 34 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: I knew it was I'm biased towards the Warriors growing 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: up here. And I was like, damn, if if we 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: could ever or if they could ever, I wasn't saying 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: we then if they could ever get something sustainable, the 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: place can explode. Because what that team went to the 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: second round had some clothes could have been taught maybe 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: a couple of moments like the playoffs give you. And 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: so when when Joe called me, when I met Joe 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: through Danny Ainge, he um, I met Joe and I said, hey, 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: I grew up a Warriors fan. Joe Lake up and 44 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: I said, if there's ever a job for me here, 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: I'd love to work here. And he's like, what can 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: you do? I said, well, I'm an attorney. I don't know. 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I said, I've been around the league a long time 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: represent I had Durrell right on the team at the time, 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: and I said, I just want to see this team succeed. 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: We left and I got in the car and my 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: dad said, how did that go? And I go, he 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: we didn't. Really, He's not gonna hire me because he 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: has a lot of other people. And so then three 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: months later he called me and when I he said, 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: you want a job here? And we talked like two days. 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: We figured out. I came in as an assistant gym 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of people when I took the job, 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: much like when you might have signed with the Warriors 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: or you did, a lot of people were like, why 60 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: would you go there? Like I don't know how you 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: felt when you got traded from Indiana, Like I don't 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: know if you were, like he wasn't happy at first. 63 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: I let him lie to you, right, but but it 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: was because you were like, I'm going there. So that's 65 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: who the Warriors were and they hadn't earned anything better 66 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: than that, and you guys helped make it better. But 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: I always thought maybe if we made the playoffs, we 68 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: could become a team that was respected, and that team 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: with Mark, we got there in twelve thirteen and beat 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Denver and then and then lost the Spurs. You could 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: see what might be. With Stephen Clay and Draymond starting 72 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: to show up, and with Harrison and Bogan was helped 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: helping out and a lot of good things going. And 74 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: Mark Mark came along and made us believe in ourselves, 75 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, when you're just beating down. And even with 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Stephan Clay, he was the first one to say, this 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: is the best backcourt shooting back. And if you guys 78 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: heard that, I heard that, and I was in the 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: building and I was like, come on, dude, Mark, slow down. 80 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: But I don't know if you might have heard the 81 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: same thing. And then like, dude, come on, best backcourt ever. 82 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: He was the first one to say that. And if 83 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: you're a player and your coach, especially Mark says that 84 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: about you, that that gave those guys confidence. So fast forward, 85 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: we lose and then Jermaine O'Neil, who you guys know 86 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: who I represented for a while we had him my 87 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: year where we brought in Nigod Dollar, we lost the Clippers. 88 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: You were not that we were. We lost the Clippers 89 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: in fourteen and Jermaine called me afterwards the next day 90 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: after we lost Game seven and l a. He said, man, 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: don't break up this team. And I was like, we 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: just lost in the first round, Like, what's so special 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: about this? And he said, and you played with him? 94 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: He said, UM, I've been in a lot of locker 95 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: rooms when you're losing the playoffs. I know what it's 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: supposed to look like. And that's what it's supposed to 97 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: look like. And I was like, look, I didn't play 98 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: in the NBA, so if you say so, and I 99 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, he had sixteen years in the league then, 100 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: so he kept the team. Let go Mark Steve came 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: in and Livingston came and so when Sean showed up. 102 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: We always wanted Sean, but we couldn't get him. And 103 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: I didn't think we're gonna win the championship that year. Um, 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: and we had a great year and it happened, and 105 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: we can Cleveland and Brown was game six, six games. 106 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: He took him six games, and they were banged up. 107 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: But the point of the whole thing is like, as 108 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, in your career, you didn't just show up 109 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: a really good player, like each day when no one 110 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: was watching, you were doing ship to make it better. 111 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: So that's the story of this and obviously steps the 112 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: biggest reason, Um Clay Draymond. You want to argue, who's 113 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: the next biggest reason Mark coming in? Um? And then 114 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: all the people that came along the way have all 115 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: made it what it is. It's the players like and 116 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: curries different. He's just so makes my job so easy 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: because just who the guy is. He's been on both sides. 118 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys played with guys 119 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: that when your dad played in the NBA, you just 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: look at it a little differently, Like it doesn't take 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: on this meaning that it shouldn't. Like you guys know 122 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: what playing means. It doesn't mean what people watch and 123 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: thinking it's different. You look at it because you did it. 124 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: If your kids did it, they're gonna look at it 125 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: differently than you did. They're gonna be like my dad played. 126 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they don't want it or need it, 127 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: but they're gonna have a different kind of balance because 128 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: they'll have been around it, like I don't know if 129 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: you guys grew up around the NBA, but like Curry 130 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: was growing up, he was meeting Vince's, meeting all these people, 131 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's, So when he got here, he was like, 132 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: this is my job. I got my life. But a 133 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: lot of players that show up they don't have that, 134 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: so they lose their mind, which I understand, like the money, 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: the fames, and and who's to blame a twenty two 136 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: year old who gets everything and and then doesn't make 137 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: the right choices. So it's Curry. Curry stability has been 138 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: the main reason. So where do I fit in? He 139 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: you guys could I mean, if if you were the 140 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: GM and you had him, it's almost like a cheap code, 141 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: and your responsibility is to not screw it up, do 142 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: not screw his career up. Now you could say that's easy, 143 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: It's not easy. Nothing's easy. But the best thing I 144 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: feel is like to watch him succeed, Not that I 145 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: don't want anybody else to succeed, but to see someone 146 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: that deserves so much success get it. And this last 147 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: year UM was the best for him. It answered all 148 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: the questions the people were putting on this guy. And 149 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: that's why. I think you saw him feel the way 150 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: he felt right because he was kind of like, can 151 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: you leave me? A lott like is this enough? Have 152 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: I done enough? You guys have a rare team construction 153 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: with superstar vets, great young core. Um, Like you said, 154 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: it's not easy, um, talk are the fans through the 155 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: process of what is Like you said, like you said, 156 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: you have Steph and then you have Clay, you have 157 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: Dre but you have to continue to I think when 158 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: you guys struggle a bit, obviously I had to do 159 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: with injuries, but you were grooming the next You didn't 160 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: just go out and I mean outside of Wiggins. You 161 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: went out and grab Wiggins, but it was you guys 162 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: developed your talent, and a lot of teams aren't patient 163 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: enough to do that anymore. Talk to us about that 164 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: process of kind of being able to construct what you 165 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: have and then being able to develop the young guys. Yeah. 166 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you guys, I think you've got kids 167 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: to play. You do, right, Okay, So let's what advantage 168 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: does your sons or daughters have by having you around? 169 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Like they've got an advantage, right, whatever it is, Like 170 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: it's more advantage than the other guy walking down the street. 171 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: So when you take a player in here, we like 172 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: to think we're gonna we got the best shot of 173 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: making them. Like with Wiggins, it's like he's you know, 174 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: he was labeled a certain things like Okay, let's see 175 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: what we can do. It's somebody said that's arrogant. It 176 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes we can't fix whatever is going on, but we 177 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: we will know if he hint. If we don't think 178 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: we can get him there, whether development wise or his 179 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: a vet, then we feel like we put him in 180 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: the best spot for it to make to probably happen. 181 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: Or maybe it's just like your kid if they don't 182 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: make it, what's their excuse? Like they got they got coaching, 183 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: they know the life, they got somebody that can tell them, like, 184 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: don't worry about that. If your kids don't make it, 185 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: it's almost like, well you weren't going to make it, 186 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: Like it's not don't look at me. So we feel 187 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: like that about who shows up here. We're like, listen, 188 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: we can give you the way to do it, you 189 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: still got to do it. So is that special? I mean, 190 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: you guys played. It's it's especially important when you're young 191 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: and you show up because if I dropped YouTube. I 192 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: don't know where you both started. You have to bounce 193 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: around a lot. You did kind of too, I think 194 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: so like if you you could tell me if I 195 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: had started there, it might have been a smoother pack. 196 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Like everybody blames the players when things don't go well, 197 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, I know, I know the team side, 198 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: like like we have as much to blame in many 199 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: situations that as a player, like a player to to 200 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: make it. Everyone says that player is no good, but 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: they don't say that team messed up their chance at 202 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: making this players something. And so that's you know what 203 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: that is though, That that I think is because of continuity, 204 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: like steps still here, Steve still here, Draymond still play, 205 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: still here. So when there's so much change in an organization, 206 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to sustain anything. And I would say that 207 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: part of keeping those guys in the full and it 208 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: ain't easy. You played, you were here, you're here. Yeah, 209 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: it's tough now in the NBA, like keeping a team 210 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: together is hard. That's refreshing to hear, though, ain't me 211 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: to cut you off. That's refreshing to hear that management 212 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: is thinking about developing the players because we talk about 213 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: how important it is to have vets on the squad now, 214 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: but when you got management thinking that's that's better, you know. 215 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: With the Wiggins situation in particular, I mean, he was 216 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: the first round pick and it had been very solid 217 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: but just maybe didn't live up to the hype that 218 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: people thought. But I know, getting a chance to be 219 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: here two different times, and how management was the second 220 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: time around, And similar thing I thought with Boogie too, 221 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: being able to give guys with labels of stereotypes thrown 222 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: into a system like this or from top to bottom, 223 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: it's ran a certain way and the energy is different. 224 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Us to tell people like off days people are in 225 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: here with the music blast and people just couldn't wait 226 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: to come like that's rare. You know. Sometimes in the 227 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: offside you won't see anybody, you know what I mean. 228 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: So I like, I think Bobby, you hit on the 229 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: head perfect being able to be put into this situation. 230 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna give everyone that showed them the path they 231 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: need to succeed. And I think Wiggins has been a 232 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: perfect example of just really taking advantage of that. And 233 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: I think it's funny like you bring up to Marcus, 234 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: he was here just for a year. De Marcus called 235 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: me a month ago and he said, uh, he said, 236 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: why am I not in the NBA. I said, you 237 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: want you want that answer? He's like yeah, I said, 238 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: because people are afraid of how you're gonna act. And 239 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: he's like why. I said, well, whatever the reason is, 240 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: it's here now. And I like to Marcus, like you 241 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: guys may know him or not, like he's just I 242 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: can't blame him for him because of all he's been through, 243 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: like like you said, the stability, yet what each life 244 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: life like, who's the same he is? What? He is? Fine? 245 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: And I said, but here's the issue. I said, you 246 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: have to be better than everyone, Like you have to 247 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: act better, like to get back. You can't just be average, 248 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: like you got to convince people. And that's not really fair, 249 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: But that's that's just what it is. Like I could say, 250 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: like maybe you two went through like like you had 251 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: that you couldn't just act like a normal player. Now 252 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: now you're swimming upstream and you're like, I'm not doing 253 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: any worse than the like, but you did that, but 254 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: you did that and now you got to overcome that 255 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, it's hard enough, but then you 256 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: did But that I remember that night Jermaine, we had 257 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: Jail and it was it was a Friday night, I 258 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: think it was a Friday night, and he called that 259 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: we aren't and and I remember that whole thing and 260 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: being like here in his side, and I know he 261 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: did a great show on it, right, he did. He 262 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: did a really nice job Netflix. But you guys, like 263 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't ever think the players part gets told right 264 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: because people can't comprehend, Like even now, players, do you 265 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: really feel safe like out there something you can it 266 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: can It's it's hard to feel safe when the people 267 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: are right there in an environment like that, anything can happen, 268 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, and how to judge how people act, you know, 269 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: and I know you probably would go back and do 270 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: it different. But in a situation like that, Jermaine was 271 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: like because he he had that was a long process 272 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: illegal or everything. Yeah, yeah, I had n't prepared. I 273 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: which I had n't prepared when we went and sat 274 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: down with the league to get our games and dudes, 275 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: because me and I had no idea. Yeah, oh it 276 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: was saying I hate out my child, but they reduced 277 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: his games Jermaine, it was, yes, but that's j jail though, 278 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: Like you played with him. You probably came a little 279 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: more wrong. I don't know, it was way wrong, but 280 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: you can see he had better representation to this here. 281 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Ron just in there like I just sweat. I looked 282 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: at my daughter and it was they looked at that. 283 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: It was called different color jacket boy. And that's good. 284 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: I didn't hear that part. That's that's a good one. 285 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: That's that's a good one. There's always been a saying 286 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: because we all came in in a similar age. You know, 287 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: you live by the three, you die by the three. 288 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: You guys were able to not necessarily be the first 289 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: one to do small ball, but be the first team 290 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: to win with small ball and shooting. Talk to us 291 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: about that. So shooting has become what it is now. 292 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't like when you guys played three shot shot 293 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: at but we did not like right now you'd probably 294 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: be shooting tan I was shooting four games, so now 295 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: that'd be eight. You'd be shooting eight game, which is 296 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: kind of crazy like that, which is great, but we 297 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: would be telling you don't shoot that pull up and transition, 298 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: do not do that, and you'd be like, first of all, 299 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: you might be like why and we tell you why, 300 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: and then we'd be like, get to the rim, get 301 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: behind the line. And there's a lot of reasons why. 302 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: You guys know that. That's just what the league is 303 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: and it's smart. It's kind of what you see in 304 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: baseball like home run, strikeout, Like we don't care if 305 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: you strikeout. It's just different fans. You have to ask 306 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: them what they think. I think sometimes people don't like it. Um, 307 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: we happen to have two of the best in the 308 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: world to do it, so it'd be dumb not to 309 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: do it. But I you know, it was interesting because 310 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: the league. I'd be being um, I wouldn't being truthful 311 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: to say, like we knew it was going that way, 312 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: but we had to play that way. Like we didn't 313 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: have a post up. We never had a post up guy. 314 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: Never like you guys probably played with guys that throw 315 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: the ball up. Germaine was like that throw them on 316 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: the block, let him go to work. That's who does that. Now, 317 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: you guys, I would tell you, like you gout like 318 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: that style of play. But then the interesting thing is 319 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: it went away. But you guys now like you could 320 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: play five, like you'd be playing four. But that would 321 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: be the value of YouTube, Like specifically you're sitting here 322 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: like I tell you, like your value. When we draft 323 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: a Draymond, it was like what does he do? What 324 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: position does he And we struggled with that. We were 325 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of like, he's at three, I mean he's he 326 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: had he had a triple double incology, he could pass. 327 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: We put him to pick a roll. No, he have 328 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: four nice small taller than him. He's really like six 329 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: six long. Um. If you guys were in the draft, now, 330 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: all that would be to your advantage would be like 331 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: he can play two, three, four, and you guys got 332 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean now you would have been paid more beyond 333 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: we've been going that. We was doing that, you were 334 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: doing it, you Nelly had you doing it. But like 335 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: he was looked upon, it was like it was a 336 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: gimmick and it was smart. And so then you saw 337 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: what d' antoni did a little bit with Stodomer at 338 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: the five and he had they had that team with 339 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: d out the four, and you saw how hard that 340 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: team was to defend. The difference that we figured out, 341 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: not me, the players was they could do that and defend, 342 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: Like I think that's what made your team. You could 343 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: defend like Baron could defend three four positions so strong. 344 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: You didn't have a guy to pick on, really, and 345 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: if you don't have you can I think you can 346 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: have one guy to pick on. You can't have to. 347 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: You can't have to. So you guys, now, if we 348 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: threw in the scrimmages going on right now, like you'd 349 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: switch everything and and and that's really valuable, like but 350 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: who the Clippers haven't playing the five? It's just and 351 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: so didn't we fell into that if we're being honest, 352 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: like when when Daily got hurt in Denver and then 353 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Draymond's are playing some four and then we saw what 354 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: drama could do at the five when we played Harrison 355 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: for Nicko dollar like a doll and Harrison. Were you 356 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: guys like that's three four or for three doesn't matter? Um? 357 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: And then play and stuff for the one too. But 358 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: then it became something that just worked. And history has 359 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: always written like in hindsight, you know people a lot 360 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: people go I noon in and really like, did you guys, 361 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: you guys even now when you guys were doing what 362 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: you're doing, I'm not sure you even knew what it was. 363 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: You just knew like this is fun, let's just play. 364 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: I can get your guy. You know, I can score 365 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: from here, I can dribble, a pass, shoot. And if 366 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: you play basketball and you guys are picking a pickup team, 367 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: you would pick all those guys. You're not picking the 368 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: big dude that can't do anything, and you'd be shooting 369 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: threes and getting to the rim and you'd be you 370 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: probably win. So it looks easier now, but it's hard 371 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: to get out of that mode of you're a three 372 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: and we sudden you were putting in a three man 373 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: and you can't play like I'm telling you. You guys 374 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: would play like you play five, which is which is dope, 375 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: I love it, which would be you know what, it 376 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: doesn't even matter. You wouldn't walk around like I'm a center. Right. 377 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: So it's worked, and everybody wants to do that. It's 378 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: just it's hard to find a team to do it. 379 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: Pieces question real quick je where you get to what 380 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: you get speaking a small book? Can you speak because again, 381 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: just being someone of the game, playing against this your 382 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: team that's here you know so much, and then getting 383 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: a chance to join him. Speak to the importance of 384 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: Draymond because I think he's one guy where the numbers 385 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: are so deceiving to me, he's going to be a 386 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, maybe five time, possibly six time chant 387 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: before he's done. Who knows um, But speak to his 388 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: importance on the court, off the court, his leadership, how 389 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: he walks that fine line that he crosses sometimes, but 390 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: that's also what makes him him. But just to his 391 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: importance to this team and the success. I mean, I 392 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: could say this about YouTube as well. You have to 393 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: have someone with an edge to win. You have to 394 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: have it, like I'd love to have all perfect Saints. 395 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: Makes my life easier, but we probably wouldn't win, you know. 396 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: So what he does is yeah, I mean he he 397 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: lives on the line. If you live on the line, 398 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: you're gonna cross. You guys lived on the line, So no, 399 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to be on it 400 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: now on your own. You're not trying to like buddy, 401 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: but he will be too though, you guys, are you 402 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: likee he is? So So I would say this for 403 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: the people. I would throw that back at YouTube because 404 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: I can't ever explain appropriately the value of a guy 405 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: like that because I don't play. So when you're on 406 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: a team, this is the only way I can look 407 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: at the answer your question simply if I'm if we're 408 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: going into a playoff game. We've had a lot of 409 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: playoff games, and I look into the locker room and 410 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I look around the room, your eyes will stop at 411 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: him and go, I'm glad he's on our team. And 412 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: if you're his teammate, you'll be sitting there I'm glad. 413 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: And I bet you guys got that too. I bet 414 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: you may not have known it. They might have told you, 415 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: but they're like, I'm glad Matt with us and Glad 416 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: Stevens with us. So I would ask you, like, you 417 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: tell me you played with him. What you say is 418 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: more important than me, Like it's more important what you 419 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: say about the people you played with, because I could 420 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: sit here and say all these things while Draymond is great, 421 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: And if you're sitting there going like I played with 422 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: this guy, like that's crap and it wouldn't mean anything. 423 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: But if you know what the value of it is 424 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: more than me, that's all that matters. Because you guys 425 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: are the ones winning and losing. So I can pretend 426 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: like I put together this great team and we gotta 427 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: figure it out, and you hate him, and this guy's 428 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: a loser and he's never want anything, and he doesn't 429 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: care because wants his money. We're gonna lose and you're 430 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: not gonna respect each other. So the thing about Draymond is, 431 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: and you know when you played Matt you never probably 432 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: got paid what you were worth. And I don't you 433 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: know you got more than he did, but you never. 434 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I bet and I know you're 435 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: doing your career now. I bet if there was a 436 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: survey of NBA players and you ranked who was respected 437 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: at the top, you're at the top. That's why you're 438 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: doing this. That's why people watch this. You might have made. 439 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: There's players that have made. They can't do this. You 440 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: know why, because people respect what you say? People respect? 441 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: So what's the value of that. You know, it doesn't 442 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: matter if you're the NBA does your your your peers do. 443 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: So when you talk about Draymond like there's a reason 444 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: he's guy's own podcast, there's a reason why when he 445 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: says something, everybody why is that? So what's the value 446 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: of that? So the value that in a team is huge. Um, 447 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: But you've got to understand, like that person, you know, 448 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: rest in peace, Kobe, but he lived on that like 449 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: age to like he didn't. He wasn't an easy team. 450 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: He made you show up a certain way, and if 451 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: you didn't, you didn't feel he didn't make he didn't 452 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: make it easy. He did not and he by the way, 453 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: he did everything he asked you to do. He did. 454 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: That's why it was so easy, so easy. He did 455 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: it more. He did it more than you could. He's like, 456 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: I'm asking you to do just come close to what 457 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing. Not like talent wise, but played. He played hard, 458 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: didn't skip games, didn't did that. I don't know that 459 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: he ever read, did he ever rest the game? I 460 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: mean at the very end, it's like you couldn't have 461 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: sat him down if you tried. So people like that, Um, 462 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: usually you're successful because most people aren't as competitive as him. 463 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: But people like that sometimes in life because of that competitiveness, 464 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: test the edge, right, it could be a gift den 465 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: But in professional sports, this this isn't easy out there 466 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: like you think winning is. You guys want like it is. 467 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't think people understand hard it just to get 468 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: to the finals. Like you see people, You see players break, 469 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: You see it fold and then and then people blame 470 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: you in the media kills him and you're like, you 471 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: don't know the pressure and you don't understand. That's why 472 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: the team. That's why when you win, the team celebrates 473 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: like they do because it is so And I don't 474 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: think anybody watching this and I don't even understand. I 475 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: only understand because I'm kind of close to it. But 476 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: to see the experience that a player gets from winning 477 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: the championship is the best thing ever. But nobody gets 478 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: to feel it but you, guys, But that's yours because 479 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: you went through it. You talk about the statue with Dre, 480 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: what I see for me is he's leading the league 481 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: and by far he's the top of league and passion 482 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: for the game, and that's what I love about him. 483 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: You see so many guys that's going through the motions. 484 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: I really don't care if they win, but used to 485 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: to see a guy like Dre who has the passion 486 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: we had as willing to fight to win games. You 487 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: don't see that no more in the game. So that's 488 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: why he's different. That's why he's a Hall of Famer. 489 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: That's why that's one reason why he's so successful on 490 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: his team, because he would do anything to win, and 491 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: there's very few guys in the game is willing to 492 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: do that? How do you so? So that's lost? That's 493 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: the winning part. So you guys got kids, How is 494 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: that not being taught to kids? Why is the step 495 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: back in the ninth night? What about did you win 496 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: the game? And like you see my YouTube and it's like, 497 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: well we lost, yeah, but do you see the step back? Yeah? 498 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: I saw the score. But where do you teach that? 499 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: How do you guys tell your kids? Like I don't 500 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't have I even think too. I mean, there 501 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: was a clip that went viral this summer of him 502 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: at U c l A. And it was after the 503 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: workout and everyone, you know when Rico Rico Hans make 504 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: everyone run and Dre said, there's probably thirty motherfucker's in here, 505 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: and like six people took the run like the springting 506 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: that it makes you do after after you're done serious 507 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: and it's just like you know, you know, I saw 508 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: a handful of you guys doing it, but like when 509 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: the cameras aren't on, when people aren't in the gym, 510 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: like do you really want it? Steps at the head 511 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: of a lot of those I'm saying, just like to 512 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: have that, like you said, that passion for everything you do. 513 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: And and that's why, like when people use the mamba mentality, 514 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: you guys don't do that, you're not hit, Like I 515 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: don't say that. I don't even say that. Nobody should 516 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: be allowed to say that. I'm sorry, like you knew 517 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: that there's nobody, like there's nobody, there's no your mamma, 518 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: No you're not. This guy was one of them. Listen, 519 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: we were on the crack before the sun came up, 520 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: and you in the weight room listing weight so hard 521 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: that I felt like I couldn't even shoot the cup, 522 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: like what's time to go shoot? I was like, mother funk, 523 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: I can't even lift my arms right now. But it's 524 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: like you said, it's an every day like his like 525 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: when people say that it bothered and I'm like, look, 526 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't pretend like I do that, but I'm like, 527 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: you don't to say that, like don't you throw that's 528 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: a throwaway line like this guy was like with him, 529 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that went with him, Like and you 530 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: can you can say, come up with something else. In 531 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: my opinion, like leave that one, like that's not whatever 532 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: music that's like it's over maybe like like that, I 533 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: like that Gardner Snake mentor, like you're not him and 534 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: you like kids saying that, like and I'm like what 535 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: I want to be? Like you can't any idea, that's 536 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: the thing. Do you have any you ever had a 537 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: guy came to where you wanting up? What's up? Man? 538 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: I ain't doing your family? Everybody good, come jump ball 539 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: here when you're shaking hand. That's Kobe like know you 540 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: yea to kill you and then kill you again and 541 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: then tell you about it later, exactly, he not many 542 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: guys want to take your will you want to take you. 543 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: Guys want to beat you. Not only guys want to 544 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: take your like make it so you like, you know, 545 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: never to try that again, Like how dare you try 546 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: to beat me? How dare you think you're gonna come 547 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: out here and be but nobody leaves, Like that's what 548 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that is not normally you know, so 549 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: I feel like for that for him and you guys 550 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: knew like that doesn't get said and not like that 551 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: part of him, great point and that part of him 552 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: like people, you played best player. You can rank guys 553 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: however you want. And and maybe Jordan was that way, 554 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: maybe Michael's that way. That's what he get it from. 555 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: But but but that's it. I mean, I don't. It's not 556 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: a knock on anybody else play. But that's a different 557 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's a different kind of thing. Since 558 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: four championships, four championships, anyone of your favorite? Yeah, I 559 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: mean the first one because it was like the world 560 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: I thought. I told my wife when I got the job, like, 561 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: if we could make the playoffs, then maybe we did 562 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: something that was the bar at the bar, you know, 563 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: we had a wall of all stars because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 564 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: But but but you can't understand, like playing you guys played here, 565 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: I felt like those championships for other teams, that's not 566 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: how you guys felt in your play. But just because 567 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: I grew up, you get beaten down sometimes and you're 568 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: kind of like, that's the Lakers, that's the Celtics, that's 569 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: the Bowls. So when we started doing that and getting closer, 570 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: it was almost like the momentum of that team. And 571 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: then and we just didn't know any better, Like that 572 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: was so so new and a new coach, and Curry 573 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: was becoming himself and Clay they were young, young team, 574 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: they were young. We we hadn't really been to the final. 575 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: We hadn't been to the Western Conference, so that one 576 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: was overwhelming. The last one though, like the kick, but 577 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: the Kevin one was like that was dominance, Like you 578 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: were there sixteen and one in the playoffs, Like is 579 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: that like I will tell you, like as a player, 580 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: that would have been unbelievable, Like we are kicking everybody's ass, 581 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: like everybody we're kid, We're not like there's no chance, 582 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: Like you've had teams like you're like that says it 583 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: is not. So that was still fun, but it was 584 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: almost like when you have like the best fighter in 585 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: the fight, you're like, we're gonna win. This last one 586 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: was more gratifying knowing that we were buried and came 587 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: back and watching guys like Wiggins and pool Clay come 588 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: back from the injury and stuff kind of answer some 589 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: questions that people I wanted to answer. You know too, 590 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: I suppose, but it was almost like the first it's 591 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: like if it's a movie, it was a nice I 592 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: hope it's not over, but it was some closure to 593 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: some things, like you were in a dynasty or that 594 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: was only because of Durant or Stephan never finals m 595 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: v P or you guys, these guys were heard. Yeah, 596 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: it's that's the it mattered. It was kind of and 597 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: not that you will say this like the media. You 598 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: guys are in the media like it's powerful. So for 599 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: the people say, I don't care anybody said. We all 600 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: care what somebody says. If we walk out of here 601 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: and your camera goes you suck today, why you know 602 00:30:51,960 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: your person? First of all, we get in. So the 603 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: last one, um, they're all great. You know they're not 604 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: They're not never bad. But the last one, um kind 605 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere, and uh, that was a 606 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: good one. If you could send a message to the 607 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Warriors fans and what would it be, thank you? Because 608 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they left us. That's the best part 609 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: about our fans, Like they care. They get piste when 610 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: we're not good or telling me we need a big guy, 611 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: and you know, but you know they're I don't have 612 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: any problem with passion, right, no problem with passion. Um. 613 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: So I would tell him like, thanks for thanks for 614 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: hanging with us. We didn't talk about smoking at all. 615 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna is that offline stuff. There's a lot I 616 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: can learn. I don't can we do it several you 617 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: use l a guy. We can tell you whatever you 618 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: need to know. You know, you got the expert on it, 619 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: so you're not experts experts, but right, come in real quick, 620 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: come on, this is someone who's been here how many years? 621 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: Stude is absolutely this is the gold standard right here 622 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: for just being a good person, you know what I mean. 623 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: Like obviously the title, you know it's important. But Ray 624 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: is just some of the guys that just even even 625 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: when you're here, obviously, but even when you leave, Ray 626 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: is someone that still treat you like family. And that's 627 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: something I always remember. Man, this guy is great. Many 628 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: We really appreciate you, bro. Yeah, I want to say 629 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: that too. I appreciate you and also the honest you know, 630 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: make even though we played oh seven, y'all still make 631 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: us feel like family, bring us back. That's and that's 632 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: something you know, a lot of guys are not attached 633 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: to NBA teams. They didn't win the championship there, right, 634 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: I want a championship to San Antonio, but I get 635 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: more love here and and you made me feel like 636 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: family here, So I want to do mad but I 637 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: appreciate it and thank you absolutely absolutely. Man, If you're 638 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: to get these guys out of troubles, talking about here 639 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: we have it's just a documentary. Let's bring out with 640 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: housing in here for Houston host for sure. We appreciate 641 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: you again. Thank you guys for allowing us to come 642 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: in and take some time with us. The hospitality is 643 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: always appreciated. And uh, we're looking forward to coming back 644 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: and doing some commentating for you guys. The players only 645 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: stuff right was talking to it. I mean that's a wrap. 646 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: Go to State Warriors take over. All the smoke is 647 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: in the building, man. We appreciate you. Bob Ray. You 648 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the I 649 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: Heart platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week.