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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. To the list and now your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's.

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Speaker 1: It's a hump day edition of Talking Cowboys. As Seahawks

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Speaker 1: Week is upon us. The Falcons there in the rearview mirror.

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Speaker 1: It was a forty thirty nine win. You're back to

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Speaker 1: five hundred. But now it's time to take that next step,

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Speaker 1: to take that next benchmark moment and go up against

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, and we're Talking Cowboys. We're gonna break

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Speaker 1: it down for you for the next forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense versus the Seattle offense. How in the world

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Speaker 1: are we going to slow down? Russell Wilson heading into Sunday,

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Speaker 1: So glad you're with us here on Dallas Cowboys dot

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Speaker 1: Com and the various platforms in which were streamed. Isaiah

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Speaker 1: stand Back, our residence, super Bowl Champion, Rob Phillips, heck

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Speaker 1: My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeomans and Isaiah. You know one

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Speaker 1: thing I've always respected about you, specifically as a member

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Speaker 1: of this show, is because you do have that Washington allegiance.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have that that u W pride. We mentioned

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Speaker 1: it a little bit yesterday. You have that pride for

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Speaker 1: the great Northwest, and I respect that. But you still,

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Speaker 1: as a former cowboy in your own right, you found

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Speaker 1: a way to make that background specifically about the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: And you have a couple of Cowboys helmets up there.

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Speaker 1: You've got the helmet up there. Yeah, my first touchdown. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then I have another whoa, oh, whoa you got

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Speaker 1: you got of the kid in me it with you.

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Speaker 1: I swear that was a Cowboys helmet yesterday. It was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And now it's a Seattle Seahawks helmet hanging up on

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Speaker 1: the wall. For those of you who are listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast and not watching it on video, But there

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Speaker 1: is a Cowboys helmet the last it's a beautiful canvas

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Speaker 1: in the middle, and then a Seattle Seahawks helmet on

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Speaker 1: the right rock. It's just it's just the matchup. It's

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Speaker 1: the matchup. If you go to the Star, you go

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Speaker 1: the Star right off the atrium. It's got all the

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Speaker 1: helmets for the entire NFL. Whoever the Cowboys are playing.

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Speaker 1: It lights up Isaiah, Just Isaiah just brought the star

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Speaker 1: to the studios. Maybe standbacks that always liked you? Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you? Is that he does not have a Cleveland

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Speaker 1: browns helmet? So how did all of a sudden miraculously

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Speaker 1: does this Seahawks helmet show up on your wall? Now

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Speaker 1: tell me this. When you flip that your poster around,

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Speaker 1: is the space needle on the backside of him? Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, No, didn't get that custom burdens when we played.

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Speaker 1: When we played a Giants, okay, I played for the

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Speaker 1: Giants organization. We played a Patriots, I played for the

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Speaker 1: Patriots organization. Okay, to put the helmet over there to

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Speaker 1: my head if I you know, if that's the matchup

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Speaker 1: of the week and I have the helmet, why not? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Sattle? He's from Seattle, Suspi, Seattle. Come on,

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Speaker 1: I spend my whole life up there. You're pretty suspicious,

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Speaker 1: my god. Man, come on, hey, hey, Dallas paid me,

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Speaker 1: Seattle raised me. You know what I'm saying. Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: I like that. Oh that's a that's a pretty good saying,

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Speaker 1: but hey, we love you anyways, and we're ready to

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Speaker 1: talk about this matchup. No better person than talk about

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Speaker 1: this matchup for somebody who played for both teams, and

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what Isaiah Standback has done. But guys, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start this off by by looking at really

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Speaker 1: the offense for Seattle, and of course they're off to

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Speaker 1: a fantastic start. Russell Wilson just the fourth player in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era to throw at least nine touchdown

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Speaker 1: passes over the first two weeks of the season. Drew

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Speaker 1: Brees in two thousand and nine Super Bowl MVP season,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning in twenty thirteen won MVP that year, and

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Speaker 1: then Patrick Mahomes in twenty eighteen. Guess what he did

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Speaker 1: I think is just a travesty for all MVP voters

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Speaker 1: But he's making a case right now. He's making a

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Speaker 1: whenever he comes to Russell Wilson and you're looking at

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Speaker 1: planning to slow that down? Well, you said it. I

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Speaker 1: keeping him in the well. You've got you've got to

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Speaker 1: be disciplined in your rushes and don't let him get

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Speaker 1: scrambling up the middle two, which is why we talked

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Speaker 1: the first two weeks of the season, because the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: will admit it has been up to par so far. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so as we talk about this defense, right, the

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Speaker 1: thing that I've ever seen that has really slowed down

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, it really caused him issues, and that one

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Speaker 1: an interior pressure and the defensive end state discipline you

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Speaker 1: being able to spy him. The spy doesn't really work.

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Speaker 1: There's not many guys in the NFL that can really

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Speaker 1: not react to his to his moves right man to man, right,

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Speaker 1: if Russell wasn't decides to scramble, one guy's really not

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Speaker 1: right with a two way go with giving Russell wasn't

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Speaker 1: that they have. Right, They're going to have to show

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Speaker 1: because he can get out the pocket. But if you

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Speaker 1: causing all kinds of serve. So that's how you stop

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Speaker 1: Our big boys up. Frank got to show up now, Isaiah,

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Speaker 1: do you remember when they used to call Russell a

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Speaker 1: Now the bus driver has turned into a Formula one racer.

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Speaker 1: He is he is throwing the ball all over the

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Speaker 1: place and rob Like you said, that game last week

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Speaker 1: watching the strategy of football, it was all you needed

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Speaker 1: was in this one game. And you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the things that Russ can do? And Brian Schottenhammer is

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Speaker 1: mister unlimited as he's calling himself these days. Because what

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna come down to a few factors. And

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Speaker 1: And how do you do that? Just try and turn

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Speaker 1: the week man that you figure out where we are.

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Speaker 1: Because if you're basing it off of your performance versus

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Speaker 1: There's really no way to sugarcoat it. Whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: If you're able to get pressure, is it really that

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. But the thing about Russ is

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Speaker 1: he's back further than a lot of your taller quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: so much from Jeff throughout our time on the Draft

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Speaker 1: Show and just from listening to him throughout the early

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Speaker 1: parts of my career. Well, he got himself in a

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Speaker 1: little drama yesterday on Twitter, and it wasn't necessarily his fault.

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason why we're gonna bring this up

432
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Speaker 1: and talk about this, because I think he's right. Anyways,

433
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Speaker 1: he tweeted out and he said Everson Griffin hasn't been

434
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Speaker 1: good for the Cowboys at all. Yet remember that yet

435
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Speaker 1: word right there at the end. Well, normal tweet. He's

436
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Speaker 1: watching the twenty two as he does. He works extremely

437
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: hard at his craft and really gets to breaking down

438
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Speaker 1: these players, and he thought Everson Griffin wasn't the same

439
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: sort of player that he had seen on film prior

440
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: to his addition to the Cowboys. Well, Everson Griffin took

441
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: exception to that, and he comes back and he's pretty

442
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: vulgar in his first tweet. We can't really say that

443
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Speaker 1: one on air. But then he starts talking about, please

444
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Speaker 1: explain what I'm doing wrong in Week two of football,

445
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: and then the responses started flying in. He starts going off,

446
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Speaker 1: going back and forth really with Jeff Cavanaugh. They're talking

447
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Speaker 1: about what he's doing wrong, how he's evolving, and basically

448
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: it ends up in a back and forth conversation that

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Speaker 1: was picked up by TMZ plenty of different places, saying

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Speaker 1: he went quote unquote nuclear. I don't necessarily think it

451
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Speaker 1: was nuclear on either side. I think it was actually

452
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Speaker 1: a little bit of an exception at first, then morphing

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Speaker 1: into what ended up being actually very meaningful conversation between

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Speaker 1: the two and a lot of cool insight from Everson

455
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Speaker 1: Griffin side, talking about how his game is evolving, how

456
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: he's got slow hands, and how he's starting to turn

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Speaker 1: into the player that he wants to be. But my

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00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: question to you guys about the Twitter beef and about

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Speaker 1: what Jeff Kavanaugh initially said on Twitter about Everson Griffin

460
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Speaker 1: not playing well and Isaiah, I'm gonna start with you

461
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Speaker 1: on here. Was he right? And how can Everson Griffin

462
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Speaker 1: continue to progress as a pass rusher heading into Seattle Week? Hey, guys,

463
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Speaker 1: y'all hear that? Echo man? Yeah? Yeah, so no, he's

464
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: he's wrong, He's he's completely wrong. Yeah, Kavanaugh was wrong.

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, Everson Griffin has been a solid force for

466
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Speaker 1: his defensive aligne Now, now we talk about Everson Griffin

467
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Speaker 1: and you know, oh, you know, is he balling out?

468
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: Is he getting sacks left and right? No? But there's

469
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: so much more responsibilities for defensive alignment aside from just

470
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Speaker 1: simply getting sacks and tackles for losses. If you play

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Speaker 1: sixty games and if you play sixty snaps in a game,

472
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Speaker 1: you can I mean, if you grade out as a

473
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Speaker 1: B plus or A, you might not have a tackle

474
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Speaker 1: for a loss. You might not have a sack, right

475
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Speaker 1: because you you still carried out your responsibilities, you still

476
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: held your gap, You still got that guy off from

477
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: not allowing him to go up to the next level.

478
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Speaker 1: So there's so many, so many aspects of the game

479
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: that that that the average person doesn't see. Um. And

480
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: when he doesn't, when you don't know their responsibilities, you

481
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: can't sit up here and critique how well they've played. Now,

482
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: if they're getting drug and they're getting pancaked and and

483
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Speaker 1: ran out the club, okay, thrown out the club like

484
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Speaker 1: like like like Jeff from U Le Jazzy, Jeff from

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Speaker 1: Frens French, then that's then that's that's something else, right.

486
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Speaker 1: But everything Griffin has been there, he's we've called his name,

487
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: we've seen him be there, and you haven't seen him

488
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Speaker 1: get thrown her out. So I mean I think he's

489
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: he's he's wrong. Rob. I'm gonna let you take you're Hey, Rob,

490
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: you you're the writer, man, you're the guy that that

491
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Speaker 1: you know they pay to hear your opinion. Yeah, there's

492
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: no open locker rooms this year to have these kind

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Speaker 1: of conversations in a person um, And I've had a

494
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Speaker 1: couple of those in my day. Um Man, this made

495
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Speaker 1: TMZ really yeah TMZ. Yeah, I mean I don't think. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would say this, and I haven't talked

497
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Speaker 1: to players about this personally, but I would imagine that

498
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: this year criticism probably stings more than it would in

499
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: another year, you know, because players haven't had the time

500
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Speaker 1: to get ready. And I'm not I'm not making excuses,

501
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm just stating facts, and that's that's around the league.

502
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin signed right before the start of training camp,

503
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: didn't even have the virtual offseason program. And I get

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Speaker 1: that he's a vet, but um, you know, and I

505
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Speaker 1: respect what Jeff does. Jeff does the work and Jeff

506
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Speaker 1: puts time into his opinions. Um, but I will say

507
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: I got asked by the fan, right is that all

508
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: this was happening? And the thing that I did point

509
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Speaker 1: out was Everson Griffin had two pressures in the game

510
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: to get the Cowboys defense off the field and help

511
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: them win the football game to come back. Now, overall,

512
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: has the past rush been what it needs to be.

513
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: They've admitted no. Overall, it's not that it's we just

514
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: talked about it in the first semi and they've got

515
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: to get getting more pressure. But I would add, you

516
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Speaker 1: know what, in Everson had a bunch of tweets throughout

517
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Speaker 1: the morning. I guess the one that he that really

518
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: jumped out to me was actually something we said on

519
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: the show right before all this happened, and I think

520
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Heckman brought it up first. He said, it's all about

521
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: the trend line. Right. It's week two. They've had a

522
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: lot of injuries, there's a lot of new concept, there's

523
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot of new players. Let's judge the defense as

524
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: it goes here, because I think it's probably too early

525
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: to say this player or that scheme won't do it now.

526
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I know Jeff's just talking about what happened so far. Yeah,

527
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: but I think we've got to wait and see how

528
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: this defense evolves. Look, guys, look we family. Man, Guys,

529
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: we we family. We've been doing this together for a while,

530
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: and I can see to us brothers. You know, I

531
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: want to see I want to share something I have too.

532
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: We might. I wish you was in the studio because

533
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: we could whole hands at this point. But guys, I

534
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: have two phobias in life, and those are bears and people.

535
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: Bears is one, and people that don't blink you ask

536
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: me bears. Look, man, I have a feeling that I'm

537
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: a brother from o Cliff that will be eaten by bear.

538
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why, that's happening. But that's just me, right.

539
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: People that don't blink, Look, breathing is like blinking. You

540
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: don't have to tell yourself to breathe or blink. I

541
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: watched Everson Griffin d and Instagram video when he first

542
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: got with the Cowboys, and for admitted in thirteen seconds

543
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: he didn't blink. That told me everything I need to

544
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: know about Everson Griffin. I won't tweet anything about Everson Griffin.

545
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, if I see Everson Griffin

546
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: in the hallway, I'm going another way. So Cavanaugh, man,

547
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: you're a brave soul. I salute you and write home

548
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: it just happened here. I don't. I don't know what

549
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: I go in here. I don't know. Man. I won't

550
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: touch it. I won't touch Robbie. I caught bears and

551
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: people who don't blind. What are we talking about? I don't.

552
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: I don't touch it. I don't mess with it. It's

553
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: just something. Look when the last time you talk to

554
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: somebody that didn't blink for two minutes, I'm just last

555
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: time I ran into Dragonfly Jones. Okay, I don't blink,

556
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: get I mean, I understand, I understand the criticism, but

557
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, Everson Griffin said it correctly. Man,

558
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: He's just like, Look, I had been in long enough,

559
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: and it's hard to judge and tape based off of

560
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: how long I've been here. But I'm just telling you

561
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin for what I didn't know about him prior

562
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: to coming too the Dallas Cowboys. I know he's somebody

563
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: that you don't want to mess with on the football field.

564
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: He may be sweetest pie off of it, and I

565
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: doubt it. But at the same time, I just feel like,

566
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, that was a brave thing. That's a brave

567
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: thing to say about him in the The fact is

568
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: he didn't add him on it. He didn't like Everson

569
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Griffin isn't play. He just said Everson Griffin, and Everson responded.

570
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: So I'm sure Kavanaugh was like, WHOA, I wasn't expecting that.

571
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: And you know, in terms of keep my name out

572
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: your mouth, I mean, that's that's analogous to keep that

573
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: energy when I see you. So I'm just saying like

574
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: he got out of control fast. Yeah, And you get

575
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: the passion from both sides, and you also look at

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Speaker 1: with with Jeff Cavanaugh specifically, I mean, he is confident

577
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: in what he sees, he does the work, he's very

578
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Speaker 1: good at what he does, and I respect the hell

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Speaker 1: out of Jeff Cavanaugh. It's just the fact that it

580
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: was surprising that Everson Griffin did respond. It's nothing out

581
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Speaker 1: of the ordinary for Jeff Cavanaugh to to do a

582
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Speaker 1: film study and make an analysis and sometimes just players,

583
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I guess catch wind of and that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Now before we head into this final segment and we

585
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Speaker 1: take our second break, Rob on the other side of

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Speaker 1: Everson Griffin, still a lot of question marks about DeMarcus Lawrence.

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00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: I haven't personally heard anything, but do you have any

588
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: sort of update or have you heard anything specifically about

589
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: d law and his status moving into week three? You know,

590
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: just based off what Jerry said on the fan yesterday,

591
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: it didn't sound like he was too concerned about him.

592
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: So what that means for practice this week, I'm not

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00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. We'll talk to Mike McCarthy at what

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00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: thirty minutes or so and see what he does. But

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00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he was able to kind

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Speaker 1: of get in and out of the lineup in the

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00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: second half, I think is encouraging. The question is you know,

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Speaker 1: if he if he's active and he starts is one percent,

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Speaker 1: maybe a week between games what will help him out?

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Speaker 1: But I think we'll just have to see what he

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Speaker 1: does throughout the week of practice and hopefully he's ready

602
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: to go because the Cowboys could absolutely use his help

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Speaker 1: in the run game. And then also when it comes

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Speaker 1: to trying to keep Russell Wilson in the well and

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Speaker 1: keep him in the pocket and allow him to feel

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Speaker 1: that pressure who moving into his progressions and hopefully the

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Speaker 1: snakes in spiders along with the bears of Heckma, I've

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Speaker 1: been brought up in the break. We're going through our phobias.

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Speaker 1: Let us know your phobia. I guess I was just

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Speaker 1: I was just telling Heckma. I was just telling Hackma,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go to a specific place to find a bear. Man.

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Speaker 1: You can walk outside the Texas and find a snake

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Speaker 1: or a spider all that. Yeah, look, man, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what I saw. I just I just cannot deal

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Speaker 1: have told me, like Heckma, they have this thing called

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Speaker 1: bear repelling. It's to me that's seasoning for the bear

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Speaker 1: like I bear repelling. So Robert cow I have nothing

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Speaker 1: for you, man, I've learned so much about heck this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, people blinking bears extra revenue. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know where. I don't know what else to really

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Speaker 1: talk about. I just man, And here's the thing. Whether

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Speaker 1: you're giving it all like God, yeah, you are giving

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Speaker 1: segway there? Yeah, I just wanted to We're running out

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Speaker 1: of time here, but uh yeah, I will appreciate that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that. I'm sure they've loved it. Um moving

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Speaker 1: into one final segment of this offense for Seattle versus

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00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense, and I really want some education here

673
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: for those of you who really enjoy watching the linebackers.

674
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: And I'm specifically looking at you three because I'm not

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00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: a big linebacker film study guy. I'm more of an

676
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: offensive defensive lineman wide receiver Dbats was sort of dude.

677
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: But whenever it comes to last week, Joe Thomas was

678
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: fantastic in terms of the way that he stepped up

679
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: and filled the role for Layton vander Esh. Jalen Smith

680
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: played better in week two than he did in Week one,

681
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: but still I still think you're not seeing the best

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00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: from Jalen Smith as of yet. Whenever you're going up

683
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: against the team like Seattle and Rob We're gonna start

684
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: with you on this one. But whenever you're going up

685
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: against the teams like Seattle that likes to air the

686
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Speaker 1: football deep, that likes to throw it long, and likes

687
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: to let right now let Russ Cook, how do these

688
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: linebackers adjust and how do they find a way to

689
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: make an impact both in coverage and in the run

690
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: game against the guy like Chris Carson. Well, you're right,

691
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they have the deep threats down the field.

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00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Metcalf has been dynamic so far. Obviously Lockett's been doing

693
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: this for a lot of years. But just watching them

694
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: so far, I think they get all their guys involved

695
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: in all different levels of the field. I mean, I

696
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: think Chris Carson and Carlos Hide they'll use them on

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00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: swing passes, they'll get them involved in the short game,

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Speaker 1: and you know they've got a couple of tight ends

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Speaker 1: they like as well. This Ley's a good player, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Olson has done it for a lot of years. So

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to be situations where linebackers are

702
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: gonna be involved in coverage. And you mentioned some of

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Speaker 1: the job they did, you know, up front, maybe stopping

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Speaker 1: the run. They did a nice job I thought overall

705
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: against Atlanta. That's something to build on. What they did

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Speaker 1: in the running game. Like you said, Jalen was effective,

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Speaker 1: Thomas as well. There were some angles you watched maybe

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00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: they could have taken a better angle here or there.

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Speaker 1: But no, I think they've got to be They're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a key role in this game because while Wilson

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00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: likes to go down the field, they also set up

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00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: things down the field with some of that intermediate stuff too,

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Speaker 1: So they've got to be on point there. Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead. No, the linebackers have

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Speaker 1: the were cutout for him in this game. And that

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Speaker 1: they have brought up a point about tight ends in

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00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: twelve personnel and stacking their tight ends. Stacking tight ends

718
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: and Seattle does a really good job of that, and

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Speaker 1: it stretches your defense and puts your linebackers in those

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Speaker 1: one on one situations. And Jalen Smith first week, I

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Speaker 1: think everybody by committee was just kind of down on

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith and I think PFF, as Kyle pointed out,

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Speaker 1: grading him really low. But it was a complete one

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Speaker 1: eighty to the next week where he graded out in

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Speaker 1: the seventies and coverage and run defense, and so really

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Speaker 1: positive about that. But no one grades out perfect, neither

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Speaker 1: did Joe Thomas. But where he was was solid in

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Speaker 1: the run game. And as you know Seattle, they have

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Speaker 1: Carlos High, they have Carson, they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys and also Russell Wilson on those design runs. And

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Speaker 1: so for me, it's just the fact that Jalen Smith

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Speaker 1: is going to be in some one on one situations

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Speaker 1: with Olsen or maybe one on one situations with Carson,

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Speaker 1: and those will routes, and that's where I worry. It's

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Speaker 1: not that I don't believe that he's up to it.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like recognizing it, maybe taking a false

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Speaker 1: step here or there and getting out in coverage, maybe

738
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Speaker 1: his Achilles hill. But these guys are watching plenty of

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Speaker 1: tape on it, so they know exactly how Seattle is

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Speaker 1: gonna try and attack them. Yeah, just just be as

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Speaker 1: as playing as straightforward as possible. Uh straight no ice. Uh.

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Speaker 1: These the linebackers have problems this week. Uh. This backfield

743
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: is the most physical backfield that they faced this year. Um.

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00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: It's essentially it's equivalent to facing Brown right in the

745
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: first week against the Rams and how physical he was.

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Speaker 1: You have two guys that are just as physical as

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Speaker 1: Brown was. Um, but we saw how how how he

748
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: brought that hat right. So you have Carson and you

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Speaker 1: have carlos Hi who's running the ball like he like

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00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: he has a point to prove right now. Um. And

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00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: both of those guys are compact, they're thick, they have

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Speaker 1: some speed on them, and they're gonna they're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: it when they when they come. And that works to

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Speaker 1: advantage of our linebackers because the Cowboys linebackers Thomas and

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith, they they're they're at their best when they're

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Speaker 1: able to play downhill and be aggressive. So those two

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00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: powers coming together, we'll see how that turns out. The

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00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: problem is because Seattle runs the ball so efficiently, and

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Speaker 1: they will use Jaylen Smith and Joe Thomas's aggression against them. Right,

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Speaker 1: So as you start talking about their ability to start

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Speaker 1: coming downhill, Seattle's gonna handle about. Seattle will run the

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Speaker 1: ball the entire head for an entire series without throwing

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Speaker 1: the ball. Jesse get those linebackers to commit, and then

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Speaker 1: once Joe Thomas and Jalen Smith getting that instinctive mode

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Speaker 1: where they're now just responding and coming downhill, that's when

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Speaker 1: Greg Olsen gets behind you and eats. That's when Carson

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Speaker 1: runs on a wheel route when you're trying to come

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Speaker 1: up and lay a hat and he runs around you.

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Speaker 1: So that's what that's what really sets up, and that's

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Speaker 1: what makes this offense in Seattle. Seattle has never been

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Speaker 1: a lineup and throw the round type offense. Even though

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Speaker 1: they're throwing it more consistently now, it's still is off

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Speaker 1: of the play action. Seattle is a run first team,

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Speaker 1: So Jalen Smith and Joe Thomas are going to have

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Speaker 1: to really calm themselves down and be patient and be

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Speaker 1: poised because they will get lured into being set up

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Speaker 1: for big place. It's kind of like the Giants when

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Speaker 1: when Eli was in his prime. You know, they use

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Speaker 1: the run game and the Jacobs and the play action

780
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: everything to go deep and and it try to try

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00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: to soften the coverage up and take those deep shots.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of what you're seeing a little bit from

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Speaker 1: from Russ this year through two games. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: they gotta win second and three. I believe on a

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00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: second and three they threw a deep route. Man on

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Speaker 1: a second and three, I mean, that's that's naturally for

787
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: a defense is going to tell you that's a running down.

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00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: And on second and nine they'll run the ball. And

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Speaker 1: so what letting Russ cook is bringing a lot of

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Speaker 1: variation to their offense. And I think again, Mike Nolan

791
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: hasn't slept since Sunday, so there's a lot to look

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00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: more at this Seattle offense. And before I know, Cole

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Speaker 1: hasn't go. But but heck, when you when you allude

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Speaker 1: to these short the short distance you know, second down

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Speaker 1: and third down place sometimes even fourth down, when you

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00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: when key on an offense running the ball, these long

797
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: passes for Seattle are not low percentage pass plays like

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00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: they are from most quarterbacks in most teams. He throws

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Speaker 1: a ball such with such accuracy on deep balls that

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00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: guess what, it's not a risk to throw the ball

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00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: forty yards down the field on a sick and a third.

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Speaker 1: That is crazy to even hear you say that, because

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00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: that's not even conventional football, and he just he destroys

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00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: all of that. You're right, his deep ball is like

805
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: a handoffs. It's amazing the touch that Russell Wilson has. Yeah,

806
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: there were a couple plays in that Patriots game where

807
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: you couldn't have run down the field and set it

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00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: into a receiver's hands better than what Russell Wilson's throw

809
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: ultimately ended up being the fact that he was able

810
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: to hit those guys in stride so efficiently. It's a

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00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: little bit scary. But is this the scariest offense that

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys have seen so far? They've seen two really

813
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Speaker 1: good ones. I mean the Rams week one. Sure, they

814
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Speaker 1: were little dink and dunk, it was a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of a different look of an offense. You saw

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Speaker 1: a completely one eighty version of that with Matt Ryan,

817
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley last week. But where do the

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Speaker 1: Seattle offense rank in terms of teams that you're most

819
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Speaker 1: scared about? Him? Atma will go with you. First, I

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Speaker 1: believe what scares me about Seattle is their efficiency and

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Speaker 1: their balance. That's it. I mean, he's not putting up

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Speaker 1: those Matt Ryan four hundred yard three hundred whatever it

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Speaker 1: was that had him number one in the league last week.

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Speaker 1: He's not doing that. I mean he's finishing with two

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Speaker 1: eighty nine. But he's so efficient. He's completing eighty six

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Speaker 1: percent of his passes in his QBR is out of

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Speaker 1: this world. So it's just that they're balanced and Russell

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00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Russell is just so efficient. Yeah, this is the most

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Speaker 1: dangerous offense that that they faced so far. Now, as

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00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: we go forward, um, we'll see what happens, but as

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Speaker 1: of right now, this is the most dangerous. I know,

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Speaker 1: we would say the Rams were probably the most dangerous

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Speaker 1: early on. But you know the fact that Russell Wilson

834
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: just doesn't make mistakes that you know, and that alludes

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Speaker 1: to everything Hector said. Russell's not going to lose you

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Speaker 1: the game, which is why they used to call him

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Speaker 1: the bus driver back in the day, because hey, simply

838
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: manage the game and we win. Right, our defense will

839
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: help us win. Now it's like, hey, he still has

840
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: those same attributes, right, but now he has the ability

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00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: to call everything the way he wants to. And they're patient.

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00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: They are very very patient. They are not gonna feel rushed.

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00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: At no point in time do they feel like they're

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00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: out of the game. It doesn't matter how much you're up.

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00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna run it. They're gonna play action, and they

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00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: have weapons all over the field. You alluded to already

847
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: how he's spreading the ball all over the field. This

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00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: is this is what makes the team dangerous is the

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Speaker 1: over the top. That's a dangerous team. Yeah, they've got

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback of the three the Cowboys a face,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's close right now because of

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Speaker 1: what the ways he can beat you in different ways,

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Speaker 1: more so than Ryan or Golf not. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: But it's Russell Wilson Man. So it's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to see how they match up

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Speaker 1: with him because Yes, it's the best challenge they've had

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Speaker 1: so far. It's a benchmark game, it really is. For

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Speaker 1: lucky on that one. See if you can do it again,

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Speaker 1: See if you can replicate and continue to improve. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want this coaching staff to show me is

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Speaker 1: that you can improve as the season goes along. And

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Speaker 1: something that we were really frustrated with in the Jason

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Speaker 1: I think now you can take that identity and evolve

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Speaker 1: it as the season goes along. And this is a

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Speaker 1: great way to do it up against the best in

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Speaker 1: the NFC, and that's what the Seattle Seahawks are now.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow we're going to break down the Cowboys offense against

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Speaker 1: the Seattle defense, where I really do think the Seattle

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Speaker 1: defense is susceptible. Jamal Adams in his first game in

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Speaker 1: a Seahawks uniform against the Cowboys, his hometown team, will

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Speaker 1: break all of that down starting at nine thirty am tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: If you have questions, send them to us on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: We'll answer throughout the show and continue to break down

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Speaker 1: this three week three matchup as the Cowboys travel to

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Speaker 1: the Great Northwest. But that's it for Talking Cowboys Today

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Speaker 1: for Isaiah Stanback for Rob Phillips and heck Ma Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Chris Beam In the back, I'm Kyle

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Speaker 1: Yeoman's We'll see you Tomorrow with more Talking Cowboys. This

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