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Speaker 2: is like they make one layup and then they pick

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Speaker 2: you up full court again, and then they do it again,

427
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Speaker 2: and they do it again, and every time you turn

428
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Speaker 2: it over, they run it down your throat again, and

429
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Speaker 2: they play with so much pace and so much energy,

430
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Speaker 2: and they literally never let go of the rope in

431
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Speaker 2: the Knicks. As we've seen a ton of times in

432
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Speaker 2: the Piston series and even in the Celtics series, they

433
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Speaker 2: can have really sloppy nights where they get undisciplined, and

434
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Speaker 2: I think they'll pay the price against Indiana in this

435
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Speaker 2: matchup with that. Also, like to your point, I think

436
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Speaker 2: the Pacers are just playing really good basketball right now.

437
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Speaker 2: They're peeking at the tail end of the season. They've

438
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Speaker 2: been playing like this for the last couple months. Really,

439
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Speaker 2: They've been really cooking at this level. Tyrese Haliburton is

440
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Speaker 2: playing every bit as well as Jalen Brunson, just in

441
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Speaker 2: a different way because he's all like a Steve Nash

442
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: than he is a legit on ball scoring guard. Siakam

443
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Speaker 2: has a lot of similarities to og and Andobi. Aaron

444
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: Nee Smith is literally averaging fifteen points a game in

445
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Speaker 2: this postseason, and he's knocking every three down off the game.

446
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Speaker 2: He shoot over fifty percent on open threes in this

447
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Speaker 2: postseason run. Andrew Nemhart is just a playoff gamer who

448
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: can do a little bit of everything. Miles Turner is

449
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: shooting like forty five percent on threes in this postseason

450
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: like they are just everyone's playing super well. They go

451
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Speaker 2: like eight nine deep. They never stop coming at you.

452
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Speaker 2: I have a feeling this is the last thing I'll

453
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Speaker 2: say about it. It kind of reminds me Colling of the

454
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: of the Golden State Warriors back in the day, where

455
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 2: they play such a unique style that there's like this

456
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: shocking off phase at the beginning of each series where

457
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Speaker 2: it's like you're used to playing a certain type of

458
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Speaker 2: team and then all of a sudden, here come the

459
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Speaker 2: Warriors and they're running Stephan Clay through a million screens

460
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Speaker 2: and it's just bizarre, and they catch you off guard

461
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Speaker 2: and they go up two zero in the series, and

462
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're fighting upstream. The Pacers jumped

463
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Speaker 2: the Calves in Game one and that was I know,

464
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Speaker 2: get Garland didn't play. That's a good Calves team that

465
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Speaker 2: was at home. They got punched in the mouth by

466
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Speaker 2: the Pacers because they just they were not ready for

467
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Speaker 2: the way they play, and the same thing happened to

468
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Speaker 2: the Bucks in the first round. So like, I look

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Speaker 2: at it as a kind of series where Indiana probably

470
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Speaker 2: steals game one and then New York is fighting upstream

471
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Speaker 2: against a deeper team that never stops play playing hard,

472
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Speaker 2: that never plays their main guys big minutes, and I

473
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Speaker 2: just think it's going to be too much for them

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Speaker 2: to overcome. I do think the Knicks have a chance,

475
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Speaker 2: but I would make the Pacers a decent favorite.

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Speaker 1: Well. I think my take is if the games are

477
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Speaker 1: close late, I love New York shot making ability. I

478
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Speaker 1: think they're really good. I think they I think they're

479
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Speaker 1: very physical, they're well coached, they make shots that are

480
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Speaker 1: totally unselfish. But it's Brunson's team. I think if you

481
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Speaker 1: told me there were three, you know, three twelve point

482
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Speaker 1: games in the series, I'd take Indiana. Indiana can wear

483
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Speaker 1: you out, and but I think those I think of

484
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Speaker 1: the entire playoffs, if I had one kind of Wow,

485
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Speaker 1: it was Jalen Brunson and the Knick shot making in

486
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Speaker 1: multiple games against the Celtics, a good defensive team like wow,

487
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Speaker 1: and it really, Jason. It really made me look at

488
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Speaker 1: the Knicks differently from through a different prism. I really

489
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Speaker 1: felt all year, go get you, honest, get Durant. You

490
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Speaker 1: need a big piece, And I'm like, no, not really,

491
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Speaker 1: I think you need a piece. I don't think it's

492
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Speaker 1: a huge piece. I thought I thought Bridges, Oh, Gee's

493
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Speaker 1: just big and physical. And again the league now has

494
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Speaker 1: said we're gonna let guys like, oh, the league's stylistically

495
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Speaker 1: is playing right into what the Knicks do. I think

496
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Speaker 1: they need. I think they need. You know, can't doesn't

497
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Speaker 1: defend Mitchell Robinson, you don't trust offensively. I feel like

498
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Speaker 1: if you could morph and get you could get Listen,

499
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Speaker 1: didn't we talk.

500
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Speaker 2: About Harstein College like they should have just made some

501
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: sort of salary dumping trade with Julius if that's what

502
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: they were going to do, and just pick up Hartenstein

503
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: because he would literally be perfect as per few way

504
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Speaker 2: for this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he is. That's exactly right.

506
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Speaker 4: But I I I don't look at the Knicks as

507
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Speaker 4: needing a big swing. And a credit to the front office,

508
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Speaker 4: the executive suite, which was impatient for years, the Knicks

509
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Speaker 4: have made like McHale, Bridges I like the move, and

510
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: then halfway through the season, I'm like, that's a lot

511
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Speaker 4: of first for mcale Bridges, and then you watch in

512
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: the playoffs, You're like, a shit, now this works. He's

513
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Speaker 4: a really really good player and and he fits their culture.

514
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Speaker 2: So yeah, they the Knicks. It came together in the

515
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Speaker 2: right way for them late in the season. It started

516
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Speaker 2: with a couple of different things, and mostly it comes

517
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Speaker 2: down to me the conversation we were having earlier, which

518
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Speaker 2: is all season long. When I watched the Knicks, I'm like,

519
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Speaker 2: why are they bad on defense? They've got three really

520
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: good They've got three really good defenders on the floor

521
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Speaker 2: all season and like, and by the way, like McHale

522
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Speaker 2: Bridges wasn't very good on defense this season. You know,

523
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Speaker 2: Brunson and kat were abysmal most of the season on defense.

524
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Speaker 2: In this postseason, McHale has turned into one of the

525
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Speaker 2: better point of attack guys in the league. Ognobi's literally

526
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: been flying around like prime Kawhi making plays, and Jalen

527
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Speaker 2: Brunson outside of Game five against Boston, has been very

528
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Speaker 2: good defensively in this playoff run. So what's happening is

529
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: they're leveraging a higher level out of themselves defensively, and

530
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: they've been a great offense all year long, and so

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Speaker 2: it's really coming together in that way. I just worry.

532
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Speaker 2: To me, I just think the Pacers are a little

533
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: bit better. I just think they're a little bit better

534
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: on defense, they have a better rim protector, they're a

535
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: little bit better on offense, they're a little bit deeper.

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Speaker 2: That to me, is what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: That's why the t Wolves beat the Lakers. And I

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Speaker 1: mean that's really it. That's why the t Wolves beat

544
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Speaker 1: the Warriors. That I mean, if you say, well, they're deeper,

545
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Speaker 1: that's why OKC beat Denver. I mean the depth thing.

546
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Speaker 1: When you allow this level of physicality, it wears players

547
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Speaker 1: out even and I think I think you're seeing that depth.

548
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Speaker 1: Really in my entire life, there was always two things

549
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: that were true about the playoffs. It was more physical

550
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: and depth was overrated. You know, you play eight, you

551
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: trust seven, and it was like, oh no, it's more

552
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: physical and depth has been huge. I don't remember a year,

553
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Speaker 1: but we all know veterans tend to be kids, that's

554
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: kind of a given. But I don't remember a year

555
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: to me where it was like one of the first

556
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Speaker 1: punches is well they just have they have more levers.

557
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: And I think Indiana and ok C probably should win

558
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: this series because I never I mean when Denver won

559
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: the title, we didn't think I mean they had KCP

560
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: or Bruce Brown, we didn't. We didn't think depth, right,

561
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Yokich at the time was a poor defender. We didn't

562
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: think about. We just thoughtless't they have the best player

563
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: they've got. They were hitting on all cylinders, They had

564
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: enough good guys off the bench. Depth matters, and I

565
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Speaker 1: don't remember ever in my life being this big of

566
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Speaker 1: a factor in the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong.

567
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Speaker 2: I think I think the physicality plays a big role.

568
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think I think that the

569
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Speaker 2: depth is giving you the ability to withstand physicality. I mean, right, ultimately,

570
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: like Denver, Denver blew this series in Game four and

571
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: Game five, when they had fourth quarter leads and all

572
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: their stars looked exhausted down the stretch, while the thunder

573
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: Stars looked fresh and they were able to make plays.

574
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: The younger, more athletic, deeper team just came on strong

575
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Speaker 2: late in the game. I think the second thing that

576
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Speaker 2: the physicality has done, which has actually been pretty interesting,

577
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Speaker 2: is do you remember colling over the previous few years,

578
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Speaker 2: how we just had so many blowouts where like it

579
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: just felt like teams would go back and forth, like

580
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: blowing each other out. And I think one of the

581
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: things that the increased physicality has done is it's made

582
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: it really difficult to shoot threes because everyone's legs are cooked,

583
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Speaker 2: and like even in this game seven, you see like no,

584
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: no one's stepping. Like there's a whole lot of games

585
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: where teams are shooting twenty percent from three and it's

586
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: just a blood bath. And I think that's dragging the

587
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: games down into like everything's finishing. Every You're looking at

588
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: the clock and it's ninety three to ninety five with

589
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: eight minutes left, and it's causing for a lot of

590
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: great games.

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Speaker 1: This is a great point because and I think you're

592
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Speaker 1: right on, because I was talking about this the other

593
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Speaker 1: day as we were preparing for a show. I'm like, man,

594
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Speaker 1: just there's a lot of bad three point shooting nights.

595
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Speaker 1: And I couldn't quite pinpoint it. But again, I think

596
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Speaker 1: when you get into push push basketball and it's just

597
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: leaning on each other, teams are tired and it brings

598
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Speaker 1: the offense down, and I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: In fact, what it also creates is when you're not

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Speaker 1: hitting threes, you tend to you realize that the coaching

601
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Speaker 1: staff knows it. Longer the series goes, you start shooting fewer.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I never liked about three point

603
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Speaker 1: shots is it's not you can box out all you want.

604
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: The rebounds are long and weird and you can't. And

605
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: so you can have great position. But when you're playing

606
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Speaker 1: a more you know, a more physical game inside the arc,

607
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: you run like traditional fast breaks, you get you know,

608
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: a four foot carem, you get it the outlet. So

609
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of the fast break like, okay, see did

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Speaker 1: it about six seven times over a five minute stretch. Oh,

611
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: it looked like old playoff. It looked like old college,

612
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: high school, old seventies NBA fast break. Here's the point card.

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Speaker 1: Two guys in the wind wings fill in a guy's

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00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: backpedaling finished with dunks. Three point shooting is so weird

615
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: to me. I don't like the idea of you miss

616
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: and a ball Karam's twenty feet out to the corner.

617
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: It stops play. You come back up. I think, I

618
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Speaker 1: really do. This is a cliche, but it looks it's

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Speaker 1: giving me a little bit of a college feel and

620
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Speaker 1: a little bit of an old NBA feel. And I've

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Speaker 1: said this for years. I like the layered basketball more

622
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Speaker 1: than three point shooting basketball. And I think your point's

623
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: great is that the more you know, the unintended benefit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they thought about this, but the

625
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: more physicality, the lousier three point shooting, and the less

626
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: you scheme up three point shooting, you're scheming up baskets.

627
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: It feels like to me.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I think I think in general it's a

629
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: better version of what old basketball looked like. It's physical,

630
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: it's ugly, but you have the impressive skill level that

631
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: we have in the modern NBA, and so it's kind

632
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: of given us the best of both worlds. But I'm

633
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: super excited for OKAC Minnesota. I'm with you in the

634
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: sense that I have almost no feel for it, because

635
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: Minnesota was a team that was much better than their

636
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: regular season looked. If you talk to any Timberwolves fan

637
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Speaker 2: all season, they were like, we just weren't playing as

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Speaker 2: hard on defense as we did last year. Minnesota's a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Minnesota has some more veteran guys than you'd think,

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Speaker 2: Like Yalius is a VET, Rudy Gobert's a VET, Mike

641
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Conley's a vet. Like they're they're They've got some guys

642
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: that have been around for a little while, and so

643
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: they just kind of took it easy through the season.

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00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City everybody not named Crusoe, and their rotation is

645
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Speaker 2: twenty six or younger. They've just been going crazy all

646
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Speaker 2: eighty two games. And so they're two. There are two

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Speaker 2: teams that I think, Okay, So He's probably not as

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Speaker 2: good as they looked in the season. Minnesota is better

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Speaker 2: than they looked in the regular season. Two great defenses,

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00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: both anchored by both rim protection with Chet and Rudy Gobert,

651
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: and two big looks with Nazried as well as Isaiah Hartenstein,

652
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Speaker 2: elite on ball guard with size that can shoot over

653
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Speaker 2: the top like Anton Shay. Just which one of them

654
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: makes more jumpers over the top huge part of this

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Speaker 2: series because guess what, there's not going to be a

656
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Speaker 2: lot at the rim for either team in the series.

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Speaker 2: Role player shooting you. We just watched Lou Dort and

658
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: Cason Wallace and now Cruzo take a bunch of threes.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be Jaden McDaniels, It's going to be

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Speaker 2: Julius Randall, Nikhil, Alexander Walker, Dante DiVincenzo. I do think

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Speaker 2: there's a real like veteran experience advantage from Minnesota, but

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City also has home court advantage, and they're probably

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Speaker 2: just a little bit deeper, a little bit faster. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's that's gonna be a fun one, Colin, and

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Speaker 2: what like if we had to have the new guard

666
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Speaker 2: for a playoff quarter final four? These are pretty interesting series.

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Speaker 2: The Nicks and Pacers kind of hate each other. They've

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00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: played each other in the playoffs before. Shaver's ant is

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Speaker 2: literally the battle of the two best guards in the league.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I think this is gonna be an entertaining

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Speaker 2: quarter our semi final.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jason timp hoops tonight a little shorter version

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Speaker 1: as we get ready for the conference finals, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna watch the I'm gonna take Indiana and OKAC

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00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: just because of depth and the coaching options. I don't

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00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: feel great conviction. I feel I feel I think this

677
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: is Ant's moment. Aunt's knocked a lot of good guys

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Speaker 1: out of the playoffs. I mean, you start looking the

679
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: last two years, ANT has knocked a lot of legends

680
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs. But it's not just an SGA thing.

681
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: When you're watching them annihilate Denver in transition and in

682
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: the paint, I'm like, Jesus, it's just a it's ten player,

683
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean ten rotation. That's just unheard of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I leaned slightly towards Minnesota right now.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing I keep coming down to is

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Speaker 2: Jay Dubb. And again, I'm gonna watch a bunch of

687
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: film and I'll make my pick when I do my

688
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: series preview tomorrow morning. But Jay Dub was super inconsistent

689
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: in the series. Julius Randall's been fantastic in this postseason run. Geez,

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00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: I even think I trust I think I trust nas

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00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: Reed more to score the ball than Chet In terms

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Speaker 2: of over the top seating and stuff. I think I

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Speaker 2: trust Minnesota's experience. I'm leaning just slightly that way at

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Speaker 2: this point in time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Randall's been a revelation in and and I think

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: it was funny. I talked to Chris Finch off the

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00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: air about him. I said, well, what do you make

698
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: of this? He's like, he'll get there. He's not there yet.

699
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: This was like three months ago. He's like, he's gonna

700
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: get there, but we're asking him to do other stuff.

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00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: He's become a much better distributor. I mean, his assist

702
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: numbers are up, so it's like, and he's hitting three

703
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: point shots. So yeah, it's funny. Two nicks, the shot

704
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: making of Jalen Brunson and really a revelation in Julius

705
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: Randall are my two sort of wow. I could remember

706
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: when Julius Randall was a Laker. It was becoming a

707
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: three ball league, and I can remember going to a

708
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: Laker game saying, God, this guy's just a bit. He's

709
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: a house like this guy is his body. He's like

710
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old man, and thinking to myself,

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00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: and I remember the Lakers were cool on him because

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: he didn't shoot threes. And I'm like, yeah, but I'm

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00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: getting like eighteen and eight. He defends. He's always got

714
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Speaker 1: a smile on his face. Like I'm like, god, if

715
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: he's not an NBA player, Like, what is the league?

716
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: Remember when they said Zach Edy wouldn't fit and You're like, no, no,

717
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: Zach Eat. He's fine in the NBA. Like I remember

718
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: going to a Laker game watching him and thinking, dude,

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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's just really consist His energy is great,

720
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just like he's just he

721
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a pretty player. He was really old school. So

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Speaker 1: I always love when a guy's coachable and coaches coach hard.

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Speaker 1: I think Minnesota's done that with a couple of players,

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Speaker 1: Like they coach hard and the players are like they

725
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: digest it, they consume it, and it's I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think that. You know, when Kevin Durant and Kyrie

727
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: Irving said we don't need a coach, I'm like, guys, really,

728
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: come on, give me a break. Like the great players

729
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Speaker 1: all want great coaching. Come on. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Julius Ryandol piece too. He's just so physically imposing,

731
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Speaker 2: like he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I know Lebron was forty, but

733
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Speaker 2: he kind of kicked Lebron's butt athletically in that series

734
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Speaker 2: a few times, and like he ultimately that's to me

735
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Speaker 2: what makes him a good playoff player. I thought his

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Speaker 2: playoff struggles originally were a little overblown because he was

737
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: just injured. He was like either playing through an injury

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Speaker 2: or had just returned from an injury and was clearly

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Speaker 2: out of rhythm. He had a long runway this year

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Speaker 2: and was playing great right when he like he was

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Speaker 2: playing great when he got to the postseason. And he's

742
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Speaker 2: a decent passer who legitimately can battle for position and

743
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Speaker 2: make little short I'm shots in the lane that is

744
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: going to help an NBA team in the playoffs. It's

745
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Speaker 2: like he has a skill set that's kind of built

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Speaker 2: for this environment. And I actually think he's defended really

747
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Speaker 2: well in this postseason. And the one guy that I

748
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: was really worried about him defensively with Steph Curry, and

749
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Speaker 2: he got out of that matchup because of an injury,

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Speaker 2: so it worked out pretty fine for him.

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Speaker 1: First time in NBA history, we will have seven different

752
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: champions in a seven year stretch, and I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: Jason Timp hoops tonight as Olas.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Buddy, Good to see you, Colin, See you next week.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the season, there's only one team

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Speaker 1: that can call themselves NBA Champs, only one player that

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