1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we hope to have a 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: better time at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium than the Jets. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Did last Sunday. Get on a plane soon. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with my friends 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrigue and Colleen Wolf. 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: We have had a news day here, Cola, lots. 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: Of news already. It's been an eventful morning so far. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: It is before we started taping. Of course, Jordan Robert 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Sala lost his job with the Jets. 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: Erry surprising. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: Drake May has already been named quarterback for the Patriots 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: this week against the Texans. That's less surprising. And all 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: of this is just getting in our way and of 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: our segment. Guys who rule, Guys who rule. 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: I know it. 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: So yes, well, we'll talk news. 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Little while first and then we'll get to different guys 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: who rule around the league or maybe just around the world. 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: I don't even know how creative you guys decided to. 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: Go with this. 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: And we'll can see preview TNF, which is a fun one. 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: This week Seahawks forty nine ers for the first place 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: in the NFC West. 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: Like, how are you guys? 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: Oh, feeling great? 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: You got your Philly sweatshirt on Bills play at two o'clock. 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 4: Very excited about that, significant consequences. 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: I know, what was your first reaction when you saw 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: the Jets let go of Robert Sala. 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: I was really surprised. 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday, you know, they got back from London 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: on Monday. They're two and three, one game out of 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: first like the Monday night football game against the Bills 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: is for first place. I did not see this coming. 35 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Neither did anyone covering the NFL. 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: Neither did Robert Sala. According to the reporting that's that's 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: out there right now. 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were reports that he was, you know, feeling 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: positive about their chances this week, went into the building 40 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: on Tuesday and was blindsided by the news. 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: And how couldn't you be in it? 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: And it's crazy because this is a team that, to me, 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: has a lot of connections with the media. 44 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: They're in New York, you got the. 45 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: Front office in terms of the GM, Joe Douglas, you 46 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: got Robert Sala, Like everyone has relationships here. 47 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone saw this coming. 48 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: Well, I don't feel like I'm not surprised by it. 49 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 5: I obviously there are tensions in that building and evidence 50 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 5: by the performance in London on a huge stage, and 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: Sala when he said that he wasn't panicked, nobody in 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 5: the building was panicked. I think he underestimated that a 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 5: little bit considering twenty four hours later he was fired. 54 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: So I don't know if someone Sam Darnold was maybe 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: the straw that broke the camel's back. 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 4: But it's, oh my god, it's the fire time. 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: I know. 58 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 5: I know the first time in Woody Johnson's twenty five 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 5: year tenure that a head coach has been fired during 60 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 5: the season. 61 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: So this is unprecedented even for the Jets. 62 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not something they've done it all. 63 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: They actually haven't done it as an organization since nineteen 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: seventy six. So that's why I'm surprised, because, like, what's 65 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: changed so much? It's also week six, That's what I mean, 66 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: So like what's changed? 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 4: And frankly, and I'm going to cite Ben Solak for 68 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: pulling the stats on this quickly over at ESPN. Since 69 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: the twenty twenty one season, Robert Sala's first season in 70 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: New York, the Jets defense ranks first in points per drive, 71 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 4: first and EPA per play and third and success rate. 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 4: Despite playing the fourth most snaps over that stretch because 73 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: they've been in terrible offensive situations. And this is that's 74 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: where I think the surprise comes from, is that there 75 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: is no question that Robert sala is a really, really 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: outstanding defensive coach. So I think living in that world alone, 77 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: perhaps that's where some of the surprise for him comes from. 78 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: But as we know, the ecosystem of that entire organization 79 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: at times seems to carry him along for the ride. 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: Less so of him or less so have him be 81 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 4: the one with the power and the control. That's what 82 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: it looks like from the outside. 83 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: It doesn't fix the offensive issues, and that's the problem. 84 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Right it just feels very personal. Let's listen to Robert, 85 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: I mean Woody Johnson rather than the Jets owner talking 86 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: about the expectations, and I guess this is what helps 87 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: explain why a move like this would happen only five 88 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: weeks into the season. 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 6: You know, I've been doing this twenty five years now. 90 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 6: This is probably the best team I've had in twenty 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 6: five years. I just spent felt that the best way 92 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 6: to go forward with a new direction and taking Jeff 93 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 6: Pulbrook and making him the interium head coach. I thought 94 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 6: that would get the most out of this team and 95 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 6: give us the best chance that we all want to 96 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 6: all want to have, which is going to the playoffs. 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: So Woody Johnson talking about this being the best Jets 98 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: team that he's had, potentially, it reminds me so much 99 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: of what Shad Cohn said before the season that this 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: is the best Jaguars team they ever had. And the 101 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: way I read into that is that that's what he 102 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: believes based on what he's hearing from the media. The 103 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: media has I think an impact on these moves sometimes 104 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: and what he's hearing from the front office. Joe Douglas 105 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: is out here the GM of this team. He's twenty 106 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: nine and sixty nine. I believe since he's taken over, 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: it's a totally preposterous record. And I know he took 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: over a twenty nine and fifty nine. Sorry, I want 109 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: to correct that. Twenty nine and fifty nine under Joe Douglas. 110 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: He took over a tough situation, but they haven't improved 111 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: much now. Robert Sala has a three fifty seven winning 112 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: percentage that is the worst among active head coaches with 113 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: at least fifty games except for Dennis Allen, but he 114 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: has one forty nine out of one sixty three coaches 115 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: all time with fifty games, so that's a pretty rough 116 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: record twenty and thirty six as well. But it goes 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: to I think believing the hype, and this tends to happen. 118 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: I think in New York, like, this is not that 119 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: talented of a roster. Why is this the most talented 120 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: roster in Jet's history because they. 121 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: Have Aaron Rodgers? 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: Because your GM potentially sold this idea that we fixed 123 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: this offensive line with like a future Hall of Fame 124 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: left tackle and draft bis like, is the offensive line 125 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: playing well? 126 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: I don't see it, Like they're not playing well. 127 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Is Aaron Rodgers playing at a better than like league 128 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: average level? Like, maybe that's an upgrade than over what 129 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: they've had at quarterback overall, But. 130 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: They didn't sign up for an upgrade. For just an upgrade. 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: That's the thing about you got to give it, that's 132 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: the thing that's I agree, But they didn't sign up 133 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 4: for an upgrade. And that's part of the problem is 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: that the thinking and the rationale here, the expectations seemed 135 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: to be incongruous with where the state of the roster 136 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: actually was right, and so it's sort of like, you know, 137 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: unstoppable force meets a movable object. The immovable object in 138 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: this case is you are going to give Aaron Rodgers 139 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: a little bit more time coming off that Achilles. And 140 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: yet you are thinking, as an owner probably and as 141 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: a as a staff, that change has to be made. 142 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 4: Where I'm confused is why that change wasn't made in 143 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: adjustments to the offense versus firing somebody who was still 144 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: running a significantly higher level defense year over year, even 145 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: though the offensive issues and not fixing them enough do have. 146 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: The head coach is partially to blame for that. 147 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, the line in Woody statement that jumped out at 148 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 5: me was when he was referring to Jeff Ulbrick and 149 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 5: said he's a tough coach who has the respect of 150 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 5: the coaches and players. 151 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: On this team. 152 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 5: I believe he, along with the coaches on the staff, 153 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 5: can get the most out of our talented team and 154 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: attain the goals we established in the offseason. Of course, 155 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 5: that could just be said in any instance, but considering 156 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 5: the circumstances, I'm reading a little bit between the lines 157 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 5: there with that, and you can see that there's an 158 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 5: issue within the coaching ranks with it. Maybe maybe it 159 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 5: is the respect of the coaches and the players that 160 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 5: was a problem. 161 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: Right, you have to only go back a couple of 162 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: weeks to think about the whole cadence issue publicly. 163 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: Yea a facial expression talking about the cadence issue too 164 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: between and Aaron Rodgers. 165 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: What about the hug and so about the hug? 166 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Right, there is the hands on the chest. 167 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: There was the awkward. 168 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: Rogers awkward hug, which if you're watching on YouTube you 169 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: can see that. And they made that into Hey, this 170 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: is no big deal, and I'm not saying that's the 171 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: biggest deal at all. And there's all these reports coming 172 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: out today that no, actually, Aaron Rodgers and Robert Sala 173 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: had a good relationship, and I'm sure like on the 174 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: face of it, it was good enough, But the reality 175 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: is you had a public back and forth in a 176 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: way that if you were emostally intelligent, which I think 177 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: both these men are, but I think Rogers knows, especially 178 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: that like he could have handled that in a different 179 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: way that didn't make his coach look bad publicly. And 180 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: all of that contributes the reporting around this firing indicates 181 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: that the Broncos loss was just like a stunner to everyone, 182 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: and just like, how long have you been in the NFL? 183 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: None of this is that stunning. Like, first of all, 184 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: the Broncos def is good. You're you're out there. It's 185 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: a week to week league. Like you lost the game, 186 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: it was by one point. Your offense actually looks, you know, 187 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: significantly better than the other team's offense, and your quarterback 188 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: look better for what it's worth in that game, and 189 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: it was a one point game in the NFL. If like, 190 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: your whole world is totally rocked by a one point 191 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: loss at home to a decent team. It's like you're 192 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: falling for the hype too much. Let's listen, as you 193 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: mentioned Aaron Rodgers and maybe the respect in the locker 194 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: room and all that. Woody Johnson was asked whether he 195 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: spoke with Rogers before this happened. 196 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 6: Well, I did talk to him the night before, but 197 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 6: we didn't discuss this, you know, specifically at all. I 198 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 6: mean we're basically talking about the previous game. And you know, 199 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 6: his breaking sixty thousand yards sixty doan yard record and 200 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 6: accomplishing that and sorry, I got hits so many times 201 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 6: and that and how was he feeling. And No, in 202 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 6: terms of whether I was going to do it or not, No, 203 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 6: we didn't discuss that. 204 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: I mean, just watching that game and seeing Aaron Rodgers 205 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 5: after he did pass the mark of sixty thousand passing yards. 206 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 5: It was in the middle of like one of the 207 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: worst spots during the game, and he was so frustrated. 208 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: And I remember we were watching it. 209 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: We're like, wow, he looks so thrilled to have this 210 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 5: milestone now, and it's just I mean, I don't know. 211 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 5: I can't lie and say that I'm not surprised that 212 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 5: this is happening. 213 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think too. Just to add on to 214 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: that a little bit, statistically, productivity wise, the defensive side 215 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: of the ball was not the problem with the defensive 216 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: head coach. And so if you're pointing to this being 217 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: a football decision or something to maximize the talent overall 218 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: on your roster and you're not making that change or 219 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: being patient with the side of the ball that is 220 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: actually the one having the issue or not quite meeting 221 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: the Again, extremely lofty expectation that just placed. When when 222 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: those expectations circle around a team, any team, it does 223 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: not matter what market you're in, it just clenches you down. 224 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: You feel it in every like microscopic layer of that building. 225 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 4: Whose expects maybe. 226 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: They like in the perfect world. 227 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: Here it's like it's a vibe change because Ulbrick is 228 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: a defensive coach too, you know, he's the defensive coordinator 229 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: and he's in the same tree. So not much as 230 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: changing from the more successful side. There's just like a 231 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: lot to push backcause. 232 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: I'm saying, you can't call it a decision made for 233 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: the best of the football team without acknowledging that the 234 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: offense was the one that needed more time. 235 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: And it was interesting. 236 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Jeff Olbrook said publicly today, we're going to take a 237 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: deep dive on potentially changing the offensive play caller. When 238 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: asked about that, I do I do not, he says, 239 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: I do not see changes in titles and positions. But 240 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: he's going to do a deep dive in trying to 241 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: improve whatever process there is, So who knows there there 242 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: could be some changes there. 243 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: That was it is talked about before the start of 244 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: the season. Was it not that they were going to 245 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: look at, you know, what the offensive roles were. 246 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: It was reported that they looked around at hiring someone 247 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: over Nathaniel Hockett. 248 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you could see Rogers visible frustration on the 249 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 5: field to get have him get the plays in faster. 250 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: I mean they kept cutting to him over and over again. 251 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 5: I just it feels very coincidental that Robert Sala this 252 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 5: last game of his as a head coach was against 253 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 5: Sam Donald in a loss, and his first game ever 254 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: as a head coach for the Jets was against Sam 255 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 5: Donald in a loss with the Panthers. 256 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: I have another one for you. 257 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: The last time Aaron Rodgers was under an interim head 258 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: coach was Joe Philben. 259 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: You might remember. 260 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mike McCarthy got fired about six years ago 261 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: now with Green Bay and Philbin finished out that season 262 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and the most exciting game in that little Philbin run 263 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: was a forty two to thirty six overtime win over 264 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: the Jets and Sam Donald. 265 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: It all comes back. 266 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 5: This is the Sam Darnold Podcast, everybody. 267 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: The one thing I would slightly push back about Sala 268 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: and the defense would be that they are playing well 269 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: this year. 270 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: I don't think they are. They're like twelfth in DVOA. 271 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: They've gone against the fifth easiest schedule in the league. 272 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: They haven't been as good as they've been in previous years. 273 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: But that also gets to my point where I disagree 274 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: with Woody Johnson about the most talented roster that they've 275 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: ever had, Like, this is the worst defensive line I 276 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: actually think Robert Sala's had because you're missing a Son Reddick, 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: you're missing Bryce Huff who's no longer there, and Quinn 278 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Williams isn't making the same impact that he had before, 279 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: whether that's all on him or he just doesn't have 280 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: as much help around him. Their defense, to me this 281 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: year has been pretty close to average, and they need 282 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: to be great and they've been okay. 283 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: They've they've been okay. 284 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: You also expect your offense to be great and the 285 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: two sides to compliment each other in that way. Again, 286 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: that's the incongruous expectation factor that we're talking about here 287 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: and so and I think if you're twelfth in DVOA 288 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 4: and you're missing a major pass rusher that you thought 289 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: you were going to have, and then other personnel and 290 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: you're still playing the Vikings, who have been one of 291 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 4: the most explosive offenses in the NFL, you're playing like 292 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 4: that in London where paid well, they're off the Vikings 293 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 4: offense was in knots and ways that we have not 294 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: seen in London, in front of everybody, in front of 295 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: the world. I think that that is again that's where 296 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: some of this becomes. That's where some of the quote 297 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: unquote surprise factor. Although I we could sense that this 298 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 4: has been clenching and clenching and clenching for some time. 299 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: It's do it in the off season though, because like 300 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: the thing is, if they're three and two, they don't 301 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: make this move. So it's just like because you lost 302 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: by one point, it just do it in the off season. 303 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: Then if you're that ready to fire Robert Salad, do 304 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: it in the office. 305 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 5: And then all the reports just surrounding this, with Jonathan 306 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: Jones saying that Robert Sala was considering firing Nathaniel Hackett. 307 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: That's juicy. 308 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 5: One the reports that Robert Sala was escorted out of 309 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 5: the building and that's not something that is typically done. 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 5: I just, you know, would be interested to find out 311 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: the real story here. 312 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: Joe Douglas, by the way, also reportedly in the last 313 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: year of his contract. Really hard to make a full 314 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 4: change mid season. If you're going to decide on one, 315 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 4: something has to say react with the language of the building, 316 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: not saying he's unsafe, not saying he's safe, just saying 317 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: that's the reporting out there. 318 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: I'll say he's unsafe. 319 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, coming into this year, this felt like the 320 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: biggest boom er bus season in the NFL that they 321 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: had to make the playoffs or else it was going 322 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: to be a clean house situation with Sala and Joe Douglas, 323 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: who's had a lot of time there and I think 324 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: gets a little extra protected because he's such a nice 325 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: guy that everyone loves, like in the media and around 326 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: and everything, and it just hasn't had the results there. 327 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: Especially there is something about that he was an offensive 328 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: lineman and he came in talking about it's all about 329 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line with the Jets, and that's been a 330 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: total failure since he's been there, been one of them. 331 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: I also say this respectfully, like Robert Sala became a 332 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: head coach for a reason. But you're also not going 333 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: to sit there and say, yes, you should be autonomously 334 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: choosing all of these different quarterbacks, like six different quarterbacks 335 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: in New York, Like that's the GM. The GM is, 336 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: you know. I'm seeing a lot of tweets that are 337 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: being sort of attributing that the quarterback misfunction dysfunction and 338 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: rotations and reshuffling, where it says Robert Salo went through 339 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 4: six different quarterbacks in New York. I'm like Joe Douglass 340 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 4: went through those quarterbacks too. I mean, this is this 341 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 4: is a shared situation, which is why I'm saying it. 342 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: Is interesting that is he drafted he drafted Zach Wilson. 343 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: There's layers to this, the fact that sala is considering 344 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: firing Nathaniel Hackett, who has that close of relationship with 345 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It's just it's messy, but that's been the 346 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: case for this organization for a while. They have one 347 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: winning season since twenty ten. They have not made the 348 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: playoffs since twenty ten. They have eight straight losing seasons. 349 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: That is hard to do in an NFL where everything 350 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: is set up for you to succeed. And yeah, it's 351 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: hard not to think. Just like Eric Mangini on on 352 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Fox last week's say, and he thought it was going 353 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: to be a big deal them playing in London where 354 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: the owner was an ambassador and a lot of important 355 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: people watching that game, and that that game would hold 356 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: a little extra weight. 357 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: And it turned out that way, and it does. It does. 358 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: That does remind me like Woody Johnson didn't hire Robert Sala. 359 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: That is always an important thing to remember, like who 360 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: hired who. It happened to be at a time when 361 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: he was no longer running the team. His brother, Christopher 362 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: Johnson was running the team. So you can only presume 363 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: that Woody Johnson will be picking the next full time coach. 364 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: We'll see if it's a GM. I still think this 365 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: team has a chance. 366 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 4: I mean, Jeff Wilbrids, it's a good coach. I'll say 367 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: that I watched him coach at the Senior Rowl this year. 368 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 4: I was sort of shadowing a couple scouts for a 369 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 4: project that I was working on for the athletic and 370 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: got to see how he runs things, how he operates, really, 371 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: how he connects with big. 372 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: Hard knocks pop. I loved Defaulbrick hard knocks. 373 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 3: He's awesome. 374 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a I think he's a really solid coach. 375 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 4: It's always hard when you're an interim and you and 376 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 4: it's like the organization is going to make whatever decision 377 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: it wants at the end of the day. Other than 378 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 4: in a very rare case such as the Antonio Peers 379 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 4: situation where the players really speak up, and so this 380 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: is a trial run for him, This is an audition 381 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: for him. He's a really solid coach, but we'll see 382 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 4: if this has a long term and a. 383 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: Former player too, so he'll get the respect on the players. 384 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Interim coaches are all about vibes and energy. You're not 385 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: going to change everything. And it's like Dan Campbell, fun 386 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: interim coach when he was in Miami. 387 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: Raheem was too. 388 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: Raheem great one. 389 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: Joe Vitt was a good one way back in the day. 390 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: Antonio Peers certainly no. 391 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: Even before it starts with a beat, Masaia Bisacia bump, 392 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 4: there got it. 393 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: Chaka who now is with the Packers, And Yeah, I 394 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: think this Jets team, if I had to guess where 395 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: they finish, it's about where I thought they would finish 396 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: to begin the season, which is about nine wins, eight 397 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: to nine wins, and that's probably not going to be enough, 398 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: but they could be in the mix. They win that 399 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: Monday night game against the Bills and they are tied 400 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: for first place. All right, let's go to the other 401 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: big news in the AFC East Patriots named Drake May 402 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback if you happen to listen to my 403 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: Monday Night recap with Bridget Connon. We kind of felt 404 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: this one coming. She's from Massachusetts, I'm from Massachusets. We 405 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: had a healthy debate back and forth. I said, enough 406 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: about this. I'm glad it is happening. 407 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 3: You guys are my favorite mass Thank you. 408 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad it's happening. I know it's a tough matchup 409 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: this week. Everyone's so worried that the football player is 410 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: going to have to play football. But I think he's 411 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: going to be fine in the end, even if he 412 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: has a completely terrible game like every game has been 413 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: for the Jacoby Brisent. 414 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 4: I just think it's one of the worst offensive lines 415 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 4: in the NFL. 416 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: That's the thing that I'm view. 417 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: I would say the. 418 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 4: Weres, Yeah, well, I mean there's like Cleveland for example. Yeah, 419 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 4: but this is there's a line I think, like, yes, 420 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: football players need to play football, but there is a 421 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: line that you cannot afford to cross with a young quarterback. 422 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 4: Since this is the Sam Darnold Podcast, we've seen it 423 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: crossed with players who still are developing, still need to 424 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 4: really have a clean environment around them in order to 425 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 4: actually operate and do football things. I think that if 426 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: you cross that line where playing football actually isn't playing football, 427 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 4: it's merely surviving, that's where you start to run into problems. 428 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 4: So if they can try to be. 429 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: That's at least total issue to me, at least try. 430 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: To build an environment around him that allows him to 431 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: at least get cleaner reps, then that's great. Football players 432 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 4: do need to play football, But again, there's a difference 433 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 4: between playing football and getting meaningful reps and simply surviving. 434 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: Like, when can you promise me they're gonna have some 435 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: clean reps in Foxboro twenty twenty seven, Like, there's no guarantee. 436 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 4: That it means why they were playing Jacobe Brissett. 437 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: Right, Like, but that's from what I've seen and what 438 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: I think they're Like, I agree, like Darnold was put 439 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: in a bad situation, but I've just seen so many 440 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: quarterbacks be put in the absolute worst situations and be 441 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: fine the next year. You really think that Alex Smith, 442 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: like Eli Manning, like some of the the worst situations 443 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: in NFL history, and if they're gonna have a career, like, 444 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: they'll still have a career, And he's probably in by 445 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: all accounts he's a He's a better football player than 446 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: Jacobe Brissett. 447 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 5: Really, you have as a rookie, He's going to come 448 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 5: in here behind this offensive line and an offense that 449 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 5: is so bad at scoring points and can't get anything going, 450 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, this rookie with no reps 451 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 5: is going to shine. 452 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: No, no, I don't think that's going to happen. 453 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: But I think I wants him to feel pain and 454 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: no better. 455 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: But I think experience not the Patriots. 456 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 4: But it's like, I think experience is good on too. 457 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: I think experience is a good thing. 458 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: For I agree with you. I am not young players like. 459 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: You put out these fourth round like their fourth Like 460 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: they've got rookies that have never played and don't know 461 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: what's going on on the offensive line. 462 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: Is it too early to put them out there? You 463 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like they have just as much responsibility. 464 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: I think that comparing that very uniquely disastrous situation up 465 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 4: front with other situations that have their own circumstances and 466 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: variables is probably not the way to go here. But 467 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: I think that again, I'm not disagreeing with you. He 468 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 4: needs to play football. I am not disagreeing with you 469 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 4: there I am simply saying there is a difference between 470 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: takings as meaningful reps that build something that actually advanced 471 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: the progress of a young quarterback who is developing, who 472 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 4: will one day run like lead that organization, and simply 473 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 4: surviving and simply developing bad habits because there is no 474 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: chance you're going to get anything to do other than 475 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: survive and protect yourself. 476 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: Is Drake may more mobile than Jacoby Brissatt. 477 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: I mean by a million factors? 478 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 5: Yes, So then maybe that ends up helping helping him 479 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: a little bit. 480 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: I think part of it is they're giving him all 481 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: these reps in practice, and this is just like little. 482 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 4: He probably looks it looks great. 483 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: The teammates are just kind of like, come on, bro, 484 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: like come on, play way they got. 485 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: It's a tough spot because you don't want to You 486 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: also don't want to be the quarterback who's like, oh, 487 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: they're shielding me, Like you can't you can't win win 488 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 4: over the lockerer. 489 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: Kobe's a good player, Like if he was with the 490 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: Browns right now, they would have a winning record. Like 491 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: him and Kevin Stefanski make beautiful magic like that, like 492 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: he can play football. 493 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: It is a brutal situation. 494 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 3: So Drake May gets his first start against the Texans. 495 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: That's going to be tough. Bless his heart, that's going 496 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: to be tough. 497 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: Blessed Jacoby Brisett's I do. 498 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: Think, and I know they're not thinking this, but this 499 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: is an entertainment product and no one wants to watch 500 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots. They're awful, like, and this gives people a 501 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: reason to watch. It's not the reason they're making this decision, 502 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: but I do think, like these guys are in it 503 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: to make money and have like a product like that 504 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: makes money, and like this team couldn't be less entertaining, 505 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: and Drake May is a reason to care and like 506 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: a reason to watch the rest of the season. 507 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: I think that alone. Hey, that breaks the tie. Let's go. 508 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: He'll be fine, all right, we are going to take 509 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: a quick break on the NFL daily. 510 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: I'm worried about him too, but it should be fun. 511 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 4: To get the crap kicked out of it. 512 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: Why would I want that? I think he's great, that's 513 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: going to happen. 514 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: I loved him as a prospect, so that's certainly coloring 515 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: my thinking in the preseason and the little time we had. 516 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's like a little scattershot, but you're 517 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: gonna see some fun games. 518 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: It is a one o'clock game, I believe on Sunday. 519 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: Look looking forward to that, looking forward to our guys 520 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: who rock segment, guys who rule, Maybe they rock. 521 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily. 522 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: It's a segment that's taken many different forms. It really 523 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: has gestations. 524 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: I've watched it grow up right in front of my eyes. 525 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: I've got a suitcase packed in the newsroom. I'm headed. 526 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I've heard on an airplane a lot. 527 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: Of stories about the suitcase. 528 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 5: Greg, it's you know what people are talking about. The 529 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 5: streets are talking here? 530 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: What about media? 531 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 5: And if you want to see that's next to a desk, 532 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 5: So it's the size of a I guess a standard desk. 533 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 4: It's a waist high desk. 534 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: Yes, if people want to check. 535 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 4: Out the standard height waist. 536 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: Gigantic suitcase, why not take a gigantic suitcase. I was 537 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: packing a normal suitcase and everything fit fine, and I 538 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: was like, well, what if I want to buy a 539 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff there for the family, for you guys. 540 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: You know you know, I'm buying a big old suitcase 541 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: to bring the stuff. 542 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 4: My arm I will accept gifts. 543 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: But yes, I am a small man, so having that 544 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: thing next to me, it's like my big brother. 545 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 4: My reaction when I want. When I saw him walk 546 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 4: into the newsroom today, it just brought me joy. 547 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: Now I'm annoyed. I am I'm ready for this segment. 548 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: It started out as what was it? Weird guys who rule? 549 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: Guys who rule? I don't even know who we were talking. 550 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: About the you know then guys who rule? 551 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: Guys who Thursday, your cousin is a weird guy who 552 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: rules in the nicest wave pop. But this is more, 553 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: this is simplified. 554 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 4: I was also an I p A text, Yes, yes, 555 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 4: from all the pablished, all of us mutual, I pas, 556 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 4: this is. 557 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: A great idea. 558 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: I was not drinking an IPA. I was working that 559 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: night with Daryon McCoy. I was I was making some 560 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: podcast magic. But I'm excited about this, Colleen. Why don't 561 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: you get us going? 562 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 4: All? Right? Guys who guys who rule? 563 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: The Harrison's from Minnesota. 564 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 5: Harrison Phillips and Harrison Smith arriving to London. Wait until 565 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 5: you see how they looked, looking like a peaky blinder's 566 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 5: absolute vision and they had the dark three piece suit 567 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 5: on the overcoats the Jeff Caps. If you check out 568 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 5: the Vikings Instagram, it has an incredible song playing. 569 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: It's raining. It's a whole vibe. 570 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 5: Harrison Phillips has a pocket watch, so they looked very London. 571 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: Shake here, but also kind of dangerous, which I like. 572 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 5: So maybe they could like rule the city, you like, 573 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 5: in some type of underworld that's going on in London. 574 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 3: That's sort of what I've played out in my head. 575 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 5: However, both Harrisons then went on to sack Aaron Rodgers 576 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 5: in that game. Harrison Phillips he had said that Rogers, 577 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 5: of all of the quarterbacks playing right now, is his favorite, 578 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: absolute favorite to play against because he's one of the 579 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 5: smartest out there. 580 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: So I love that he ended up taking him down 581 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: in London. 582 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 5: Also, he honeymooned Harrison Phillips in Europe this past summer 583 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 5: and said that he often got recognized, which I love 584 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 5: for him. And it's also just like a show of 585 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 5: how popular the NFL is everywhere, especially just as a 586 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 5: defensive tackle he's getting. 587 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: I can't imagine he would get recognized many places outside Minnesota, 588 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: but vis travel, I think they were probably out there 589 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: having that get. 590 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 5: Recognized, Yeah, Harry ninety nine on Twitter, he is. But 591 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: then Harrison Smith, Harry the hit Man. He also had 592 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 5: a sack of Aaron Rodgers celebrate it with the Belt 593 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 5: championship celebration that Dodgers double guess, the discount, double check. 594 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 5: And then there were all of these fun things that 595 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 5: I saw about him. How in the off season this 596 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 5: past off season, when free agency was approaching, he kind 597 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 5: of forgot that free agency was coming and he was like, oh, 598 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 5: I should talk to my agent about this because he 599 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 5: was working as a carpenter and a welder with his 600 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 5: brother in law. Wow, he also fixes bicycles and builds furniture, 601 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 5: and a couple of off seasons ago he bought a 602 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 5: plot of land and talked about renting bulldozers, digging ditches 603 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 5: and laying the wiring because that's the most fun thing 604 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 5: to do in the off season. So Harrison Smith and 605 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 5: Harrison Phillips the Killer Harry's I love them. 606 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: I can't believe how much Harrison Phillips rules. I mean, 607 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: listening to you talk about him for a while until 608 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: we got into some of the the track, what was 609 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: the thing at the very end that he was buying 610 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: the plot of land. 611 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: For the bulldozer. That's Alo the smith Okay, that's here. 612 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: He also has his pilot's license. 613 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: Like what they all kind of almost sounded like they 614 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: were Colleen's Like, if you were an NFL player, you 615 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: would maybe if you gee, if you were an NFL player, 616 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: you wouldn't forget that free agency was coming up because 617 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: you had some weird side job to try to. 618 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 5: I felt like it was so relatable and we're seeing 619 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, what time of. 620 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: Year is it again? 621 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: It's coming up so soon. 622 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: Summer of Harry. 623 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 624 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: I also like that we talked about a Vikings player 625 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: other than Sam Darnold. 626 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: All right, you got you go another guy. 627 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: I had one too, Vibes vibes alone Van Ginkel as 628 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: a Viking. But oh, I want to get to guys 629 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: to rule. I want to do get to a safety cluster. 630 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 4: First cluster of three safeties who I think totally rule. 631 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: Jakwan Brisker, Jesse Bates, Xavier McKinney. Big NFL wants you 632 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: to devalue the safety position, but these three players are 633 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 4: perfect representatives of the twenty twenty four defensive renaissance. They 634 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 4: are physical enough they can roll down to blitz er 635 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 4: defend the run. Although Xavier McKinney plays deep, they can 636 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 4: play in the slot. They are fast enough to rob 637 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 4: the field, and they're legitimately affecting games week after week. 638 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: Jawan Brisker hope he and Tommy Trumbull are both do 639 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 4: okay by the way, A sack of pressure, an interception, 640 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 4: two pass breakups, one force fumble, and forty tackles. Jesse Bates, 641 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 4: who Arthur Smith referred to him as when they were 642 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 4: getting ready for the matchup as the Falcons. Jason Bourne 643 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 4: said that the Steelers changed their entire offense to avoid 644 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: the middle of the field just to take out baits 645 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 4: sorry calling against the Eagles. Ice the game. He's got 646 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: three pass breakups, a pressure, a hurry to force fumbles, 647 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 4: an interception, thirty seven tackles, and Xavier McKinney has made 648 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 4: history as the first player on a new team to 649 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: have an interception in five consecutive games, and his DC 650 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 4: Jeff Hafley called him the best safety in the league. 651 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 4: These dudes are the new era of safeties and yet 652 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 4: somehow very vintage in a way as well. These dudes 653 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 4: freaking rule. 654 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: They do, they do rule and the safety position rules. 655 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: It's always ruled, and it's crazy to me to your point, 656 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: how undervalued it is. You can get a pretty mediocre 657 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: cornerback in free agency for more money than the top 658 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: of these safety market gets. I mean, McKinney ended up 659 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: getting paid pretty well, but when you compare it to 660 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: other positions, it's really not that much. 661 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: And I think you said it very well. 662 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: They are showing that they are way more valuable, let's say, 663 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: than like a slightly better than average corner I. 664 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 4: Agree one hundred percent. And they're being asked to do 665 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: more too. They're asked to play more positions. This is 666 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 4: the true hybridization of the defensive backfield. It's happening there. 667 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: You're watching more safeties play in the slot than ever before. 668 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 4: You're watching sub packages feature multiple safeties versus relying on corners. 669 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: And you have to because offenses are understanding that now 670 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 4: they're getting bigger and more physical and they're trying to 671 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 4: attack smaller defenses. Okay, well, enter guys like this who rule, 672 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: and they're saying no, they can do a variety of 673 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 4: different things, and they are actually the fact that they 674 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 4: are legitimately affecting games in this way is significant because again, 675 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 4: the position market wants you to think that they're just 676 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 4: sort of back there doing something every year. 677 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: I overrate them on the top one o one free agents. 678 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't overrate them. I know they ruled the 679 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: but relative to what they make on the open market, 680 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: it's like, all, I have so many safeties near the top, 681 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: and then they just sit out there on the market 682 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: and people, oh, fine, we'll sign them for. 683 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: Like eight million dollars. The running the defense pretty. 684 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 4: Much, that's Oh, I like how you put that? 685 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, very well said. 686 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know who doesn't rule is the concussion 687 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: spotter at the Bears game last week in the protocol 688 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: not to get serious hearing. 689 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: A fun segment. What the heck? Greg? 690 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Sorry, but it's like, this is the guy who's had 691 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: three different concussions now in his career, and you're not 692 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: protecting the players from themselves. He had to report it 693 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: the next day. That's a that's a bad job. And 694 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: I feel like we're seeing that. Let's get to something 695 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: more fun. Let's get to Brian Thomas junior. My god, 696 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: you know what rules? Speed rules? No one ran faster 697 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: on a football field then Brian Thomas junior on that 698 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: long touchdown pass against the Colts, which unfortunately got a 699 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: guy fired. The Colts cut their cornerback a day later 700 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: after giving up this touchdown, and that's not nice. And 701 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: it's nice to have great speed. We knew that about 702 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas. But the thing that really impresses me so 703 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: far this season are his hands and his versatility. 704 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: He is ready to go. 705 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: He's scoring touchdowns, but I went back watched his targets 706 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: and he's been really good on inbreakers. I'm not saying 707 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: he's Chris Godwin, but people thought he was this one 708 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: trick pony coming into the league. And he can run 709 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: routes and because of that speed, which is maybe the 710 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: best in the entire league, Like it's Tyreek Hill level speed, 711 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: it's Rashid Shaheed level speed. Look when he breaks off 712 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: his routes when he's doing some of these comeback routes 713 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: that I watch, like he's opened by five yards because 714 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: people are just so afraid and there's been a lot 715 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: of contested catches on the go balls. He has more 716 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: long receipt than any rookie in the league, almost in 717 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: any player in the league. He's averaging eighteen yards per catch. 718 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean he's in the top like seven or eight 719 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: of just yards in the league right now. Uh, he 720 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: is absolutely awesome, and yes, does does it help that 721 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: he's helped being to confirm my priors. Let's throw up 722 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: the tweet I had, yeah, you know before the draft, 723 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: when I wrote my only draft takes so far is 724 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: that you can't take Brian Thomas Junior too high? 725 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 4: Okay, fine, feeling good about. 726 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 2: Feeling good because you know who else who rules? I 727 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: roll with that. I'm sorry. I was not expecting. 728 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 5: Security had to escorre right out of building today. 729 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: This has been a lot of shows this week and 730 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: not a lot of sleep and packing. 731 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 4: Soup for lunch. 732 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love soup for lunch. 733 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: I to hud War Nosol and it. 734 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 4: Made you feel a little spicier than. 735 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: It was really spicy, and I love spicy food. No, 736 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: it was great. I just it was. 737 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: It was a lot, and I liked it. I just 738 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: didn't expect such an intense lunch. But I applaud the 739 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: huddle that was before this for going big. 740 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 4: Yes, intense intense show. 741 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 6: You know it was. 742 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: I was I was sweating that aggressive that pazzole was 743 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: the Brian Thomas Junior of the huddle's menu options like 744 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: big and bold and coming right out of the gate 745 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: as one of the best in the league. 746 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: And you got to recognize. 747 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 3: And you're getting on a plane right after this. I 748 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 3: hope you're okay? 749 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 4: Is that like a bad We talked about digestive food. 750 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: I was like, she thought soup would be good. Why 751 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: am I going over this with you guys? All right? 752 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: Give me another guy who rules, okay. 753 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 5: I we saw him last night on the field, and 754 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 5: he is not one of the players. He is one 755 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 5: of my absolute favorite figures in the entire NFL. 756 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 3: And no it is not Big Red. It is Steve Spagnolo. 757 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 3: I love Spags so much. 758 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 5: We know what he's been able to do with this 759 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 5: defense and how for so much years it was the 760 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 5: offense that was powering the Kansas City Chiefs, and then 761 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 5: at some point last year actually kind of from the 762 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 5: beginning of the season, the defense quietly started being the 763 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 5: engine of this team. And Steve Spagnolo, he is just 764 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 5: such an interesting person. He got married at the Vatican, 765 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 5: which is just like a really random fun fact. His wife, 766 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 5: Maria makes the most incredible Italian meatballs you've ever had 767 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 5: in your life. And Chris Jones frequently will request the 768 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 5: meatballs before big games, so she will make Chris Jones 769 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: some homemade meatballs and then he goes out and balls 770 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 5: out for Steve Spagnolo's defense. So he's just one of 771 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 5: the nicest guys in the world, and he's so talented. 772 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 5: I love to see his defenses thrive. 773 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 4: I love when he goes and tries to call timeouts. Yeah, 774 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 4: so he can't because he's not the head coach, but 775 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 4: he's like transported to another time and a simpler time perhaps, 776 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 4: or he could actually be the one to call the time. 777 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 3: He needs a shot. He needs a shot as a 778 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 3: head coach again. 779 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: Does he though he does because he was not well, No, 780 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: he wasn't. 781 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: And there are people in the in the RAMS building 782 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: at the time that would agree with you that that 783 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: he could have been a really good head coach. And 784 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: that was a brutal situation in Saint Louis for a 785 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: variety of reasons. They were personnel being part of it, 786 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: and yes, that hanging over them being another. But I 787 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: would push back and say when they showed those Super 788 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: Bowl wins he had last night on the Monday night 789 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: football yeah, broadcast. I was just thinking, like, wouldn't you 790 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 1: rather have Steve Spagnolo's career than virtually any head coach 791 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: of the last like twenty five years? Like isn't it 792 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: a good thing to be happy with what you do? 793 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: Maybe have like slightly less stress than that the headman does, 794 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: more job security because he's so good at what he does, 795 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: working for a great man and Andy Reid that he 796 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: loves with great players in a great situation, Like isn't 797 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: that better than basically any almost any head coach resume 798 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: and just life that you could come up with over 799 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: the last like fifteen years. 800 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: He's He's done it. 801 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 5: I know I've talked about this on the show before, 802 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 5: but it was just such a moment after the Super 803 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 5: Bowl when I grabbed him and the confetti was still falling, 804 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 5: and he had tears in his eyes, and he was 805 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 5: just like this defense is it. We're never all going 806 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 5: to be together again. And he just came from such 807 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 5: a like it almost felt like a dad place and 808 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 5: these were his kids and he was so happy and 809 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 5: so proud, but so it was so bittersweet for him, 810 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 5: and he just I mean losing lagarious need. He wasn't sure, 811 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 5: obviously about Chris Jones, and you know how important Chris 812 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 5: Jones is to that defense, but just those personal ties, 813 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 5: it just makes me like him so much more because 814 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 5: the game means so much to him and you can 815 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 5: see those relationships how they are. 816 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 2: In his life. 817 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 4: I do doubt that he'll get interviews, but I would posit. 818 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,919 Speaker 4: I would posit that he I think is wise enough 819 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 4: now to know the difference between jumping into a terrible job, 820 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 4: which we talked about. I mean, there's a lot of 821 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 4: them that can exist in specific, few in particular, and 822 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 4: jumping into a bad one versus you know, accepting and 823 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 4: really understanding the value of your own situation. I just 824 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 4: think he's he's you know, I don't want to see 825 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 4: call him old, but he's wise enough. He's old enough, 826 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 4: experienced enough to understand the difference between the two things 827 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 4: because of all the experiences he's had. I also love 828 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 4: that he reminds me of like someone who could be 829 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 4: running a surf shop and Ventura, Yes, you know, like 830 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 4: and then. 831 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 3: But they have the shorehouse down at the Jersey Shore. 832 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 4: Okay, so that's like there's something beachy there going on. Yeah, 833 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 4: there's something paddle board situation. 834 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: I love that, and they're getting better every week too. Defensively, 835 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: they're sort of the opposite of the Jets. They've had 836 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: the second toughest schedule for defenses, and so that's why 837 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: some of their numbers aren't like amazing. But now you 838 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: watch in a game against like a Saints team, which 839 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: isn't you know, quite as good, and they they dominate, 840 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: but they've had to play Baltimore, They've had to play Cincinnati. 841 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: These teams always get better as you go. And you're right, 842 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: You're kind of like if I had a Colleen Doll 843 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: and I and you you like pulled, you know, the 844 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: string at the back to mak or talk like Colt 845 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: stuff would come out and Steve Spagnolo stuff would come out. 846 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: There's always like every couple of months swinging in a 847 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: nice little Steve Stagnolo bag. 848 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 2: Season. 849 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 3: It's starting early this year. 850 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. All right, give us uh. 851 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 4: Okay i pat certain rules, rules, rules, rules rules. 852 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 3: That's a good one. 853 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 4: Two interceptions against the Raiders, including one hundred yard pick six, 854 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 4: during which he reached a top speed of twenty point 855 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 4: nine to two miles per hour according to next Gen Stats. 856 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 4: Four targets across forty coverage snaps, so highly productive on 857 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 4: the targets that he was given. I guess so he 858 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 4: has shadowed Mike Evans, dk met CAF, Garrett Wilson, George 859 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 4: Pickens and collectively allowed against those guys eight catch for 860 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 4: eighty five yards and then just two more receptions this 861 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 4: last weekend craze. He's not actually been targeted much because 862 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 4: why would you target him, but it's when he is. 863 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 4: It's a fifty two point seven passer rating. And guys, 864 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 4: this rules the most. Next Gen Stats always does these 865 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 4: matchup boxes on their website and they always go, you know, 866 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 4: Pat certain versus X receiver, Pats certain versus X receiver, 867 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 4: and from the Raiders game, it literally just says Pat 868 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 4: certain versus Raiders offense. This guy freaking rules. 869 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 2: He absolutely does. And I do like that more than 870 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: other positions. 871 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 1: It does feel like one cornerback always has the belt, 872 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: you know that more than other And maybe it's because 873 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 1: they like to talk it up and it's the bravado 874 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: of the position and you're just out there on an 875 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: island and there's always like one quarterback who has it 876 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: cornerback and right now it's it's certain. 877 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 4: I want him to does he have a cool nickname? 878 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 4: I want people to know. I'm not sure he's at 879 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 4: that status like lockdown lockdown status to where I think 880 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 4: he deserves. 881 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: There's so few players in the game that even get 882 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: a chance to that, Like Sauce Gardner could do that, 883 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: but they don't use him that way. 884 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 2: They well, I'm. 885 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 5: Certain that of certain bad. Yeah, it's fine, that's fine, 886 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 5: So you need to start somewhat. 887 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: That's fine, all right, you know who's not fine having 888 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: a trouble here. I'm not going to go under the radar. 889 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with c J. Stroud just because 890 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: there are few players in the NFL that I would 891 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: rather watch or hang out with, Like he might be 892 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: number one at the apex of just like, hey, if 893 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: you could just get a beer with a player c J. Stroud, 894 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: he just seems like an awesome guy. But also, if 895 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: there's one player I could choose to watch play the 896 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: quarterback position, and I think if I was starting a 897 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: team and just one quarterback I could have. I know 898 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great ones, it's c J. 899 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 2: Stroud. 900 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: I mean some of the plays that he made in 901 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: this Bills game and yeah, yeah, the two turnovers and 902 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: if you're watching it on YouTube, you can you can 903 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: see on the Kojis film just these throws into apps 904 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: tight windows. He's the type of quarterback I love. Like 905 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: to me, he sees the game so beautifully. He can 906 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: make every certain throw that you want to make, whether 907 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: it's touch, whether it's power. 908 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 2: The accuracy is crazy. He knows when to go for it. 909 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: He goes through his reads so fast, and I think 910 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: right now he and Nico Collins are playing so well. 911 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: It's totally covering up for a poor coaching job by 912 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: this Texans offensive staff. Like they are sloppy, not just 913 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: the penalties and the terrible run blocking, but even the 914 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: passing game seems a little disjointed. And there's a lot 915 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: of pressure in c J. Stroud's face and he just 916 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: makes it work and he would never blame if anything. 917 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: He is building everyone up around him. He seems like 918 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: a true leader. He is my favorite player in the NFL. 919 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Gino's there too, but just like he 920 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: is the dude c J. 921 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 4: Stroud, Yeah, he rules. And you know what I like 922 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 4: about him too, among many things, is that this is 923 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 4: you knew that the defenses of the league. We're going 924 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 4: to try to catch this offense this year. They were 925 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 4: going to try to do different things to try to 926 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 4: expose some of the weaknesses. Not having Joe Mixon also 927 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 4: really has hurt them as well. But in terms of 928 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 4: that lack of I guess cohesion that you're talking about, 929 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 4: you knew that they were going to try to disrupt 930 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 4: them in certain ways. But you have an elite problem solver, Yeah, 931 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 4: in c J. 932 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 3: Stroud. 933 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 4: Not only do you have an elite tool if you're 934 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 4: a coach, an elite tool with which to problem solve 935 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 4: because c J. Stroud is that person and player. But 936 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 4: he himself is doing that. He's not making he's not 937 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 4: repeating mistakes. Really very rarely do you see him make 938 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 4: the same mistake twice in one game. Let's let alone 939 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 4: twice in one season. And that's other than the fact 940 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 4: that he also he knows ball to the point where 941 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 4: his quarterback and league takes are excellent, and I love 942 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 4: that he like doubles down on them too, like he 943 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 4: knows that he's right, and it kind of he kind 944 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 4: of reminds me of you in a way. Greg knows 945 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 4: that he's right and doubles down. 946 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 2: Greg. 947 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 4: My god, we build him up just to break him 948 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 4: later in the show. That's you know, but yeah, he rolls. 949 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 4: I'm with you one hundred percent. 950 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 3: He gets better every single week, it almost seems like. 951 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 5: And the only thing I'm worried about now is Nico 952 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 5: Collins being hurt and how that kind of changes the 953 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 5: offense with all of the things that he's already making 954 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 5: up for. 955 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: I think it would have been natural for him to 956 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 1: take a little bit of a step back this year, 957 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: which with defenses preparing, and I think that is sort 958 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: of happening opposite him. But he is just too good 959 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: and too smart to let it happen to him individually. 960 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: Problem solver is a great, great way to put it. 961 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: Let's do a speed round before we go, so we'll 962 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: just be quick on the rapid fire. 963 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 2: Go for it. 964 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 3: This is super quick. I will let you guys listen 965 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 3: first to who my guy is that rules. 966 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 7: Here we go shucking down and gold Homes in the 967 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 7: gun the two in New Orleans, p Ryan in motion, 968 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 7: there's a shotguns, no, the fake run off, the quick forth, 969 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 7: the goal wanders to fin It's in or something on 970 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 7: the play by Saunders. He runs the big name the 971 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 7: ten he'arsold line twenty on the near side line thirty 972 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 7: kind of blocking from behind, the former chief is taken 973 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 7: down by sad Man. Got it on the look of 974 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 7: shit at the goal line on a pass intended for 975 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 7: Smith Schuster. 976 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,479 Speaker 2: A thick pick. 977 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 3: That's the part that I love the pick. 978 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 5: I mean, Kevin Harlan is my all time favorite broadcaster. 979 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 3: He comes up with these things right on the spot. 980 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 5: I mean, there are some of the most epic games 981 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 5: that I've listened to him call the black Cat that 982 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 5: came out the guest game. 983 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 3: I'll never forget that. 984 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 4: I love. 985 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 5: When I leave here on Monday nights, after I finished 986 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 5: the pregame show with Mooch, I always put on Westwood 987 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 5: One and I listened to Kevin Harlan and Kurt Warner 988 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,959 Speaker 5: on the call and it's my favorite. And I text 989 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 5: Kurt throughout the whole thing, and it's just Kevin Harlan. 990 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,439 Speaker 5: His voice is incredible. He's on it all the time, 991 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,240 Speaker 5: and he's funny. He's low key funny, maybe high key funny. 992 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 4: I know. 993 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, as he's making that call, he is thinking 994 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: in his head, thick pick, I have this in it 995 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: at the very end, and he's such a good broadcaster. 996 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: No fault of Ross Tucker there, who's filling in for 997 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,720 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, because. 998 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 4: I recognize Ross did a good job of letting him 999 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 4: take the. 1000 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: Lead there, absolutely, but Ross did kind of come in 1001 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: and stepped on the thick pick. So Kevin Harlan knows, 1002 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: I need to say it again to make sure everyone 1003 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: hears it. What a great call. 1004 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 4: I love it, I love it. 1005 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 2: I love it. 1006 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 4: Okay, I think that Tory Taylor the Bears, Oh yeah, rules, rules, rolls, 1007 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 4: rolls rules. He is a twenty seven year old rookie 1008 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 4: in Auzie who didn't start playing football until twenty nineteen. 1009 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 3: William is a football player. 1010 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 4: Famously, Williams famously texted him when he was drafted in 1011 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 4: the fourth round that they wouldn't be punting much. Plot twist. 1012 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 4: The Bears punted more through the first three three four 1013 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 4: games than any other team in the league. But he's 1014 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 4: single footedly ices teams by flipping field position. He iced 1015 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 4: the Rams game his four punts that day. Four of 1016 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 4: his punts that day were inside the ten, including the 1017 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 4: game ceiling one that landed at the eight. Jalen Johnson 1018 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,240 Speaker 4: said I haven't been that pumped up for a punt 1019 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 4: in a long time. 1020 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 2: Ah, I love it. 1021 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,280 Speaker 4: Tory Taylor rules. 1022 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: I love his attitude. I heard him say, I want 1023 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: to go out there and dominate the game when I 1024 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: have the ball. I get to have the ball like 1025 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: five to eight times a game. I want to dominate. 1026 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: You just don't hear punch your I absolutely love that. 1027 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: My last guy who rules is Brock Bowers. This guy's 1028 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: better than I think we expected coming into the NFL. 1029 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: That touchdown that he had his first career touchdown, that 1030 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: is one of the best first career touchdowns of all 1031 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 1: time to moss a guy like that and then race 1032 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: in for the long score. He I think has as 1033 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: much burst as any tight end in the history of 1034 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: the league, even just those little short routes that they 1035 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: were throwing to him on Sunday's game, Minshew, and his 1036 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: ability to go from zero to five is special. It's crazy. 1037 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: It is so much better than most wide receivers. I mean, 1038 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: and he's playing tight end. I really think he has 1039 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: a chance to be an All timer. And the more 1040 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,280 Speaker 1: I watch him, I just think he's really exciting. 1041 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 2: He rules. 1042 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 4: I'd call him a power receiver or something like a 1043 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 4: hybrid because he's going to be playing receiver, but he 1044 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 4: has the power and the strength and the ability of 1045 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 4: a tight end and can obviously do some things in 1046 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 4: the blocking service as well. But like we got to 1047 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 4: think of a different name, yeah, that position, because he's 1048 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 4: going to be doing things that are not But he's 1049 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 4: out there. 1050 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: He's playing tight end. They're using him all over the 1051 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: place and stuff. He's doing the thing where he's messing 1052 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: up the app they posing formations, he's playing a little fullback. 1053 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: He's blocking some too. He would probably rule a little 1054 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: more if he just came home, you know, and just 1055 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: shaved that head. But he's going strong O wow. 1056 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:42,720 Speaker 3: Personal attack. 1057 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 2: I mean, he knows it. He knows it. He's heard 1058 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 2: it a lot. 1059 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 3: Rock Bowers is incredible. 1060 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 5: They do need some type of subset though, in the 1061 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,280 Speaker 5: tight end category for these incredible pass catchers. And Daniel 1062 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 5: Jeremiah talked about brock Bauers leading into the draft how 1063 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 5: great and talented he is and how he should be 1064 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 5: taken as high as he ended up going. 1065 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: And I think he's already right there with the best 1066 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: players at his position as a rookie, which is wild 1067 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: let's take one quick break. We're gonna wrap up with 1068 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: little t NF preview after break, forty nine Ers Seahawks. 1069 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 4: Guys have a rule. 1070 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: All right, It's time for TNF Preview presented by Amazon 1071 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: Prime Video talking forty nine Ers Seahawks. Interesting timing for 1072 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: this game on Thursday night. I'm gonna miss it. I'm 1073 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: at least gonna miss the TNF recap. I know that 1074 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: both teams, I think, are coming off of humbling losses, 1075 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: losses that make you question your team inside the building, 1076 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: that maybe we aren't as good as we thought we were. 1077 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 1: Now they're facing each other three and two SEAHWK two 1078 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: and three forty nine Ers. We could have a situation 1079 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: Jordan where there's not a team in the NFC West 1080 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: with a winning record after Week six, which is pretty 1081 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: surprising for what we thought was gonna be one of 1082 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 1: the best divisions in football. 1083 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it still could be down the stretch. Guys 1084 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 4: get healthy on a couple of these teams. But this 1085 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 4: is this is gonna be an interesting game, not just 1086 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 4: because the stakes feel high in terms of needing to 1087 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 4: get back on track a little bit, but you can 1088 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 4: see certain flaws that might not be fixable just by 1089 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 4: getting people healthy, getting people back in the roster. On 1090 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 4: both sides, forty nine ers defense looks a little suspect, 1091 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 4: more suspect than we thought it was gonna look. And 1092 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 4: then on the converse, the pressure, I mean, it's just awful. 1093 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 4: You could see it start to wear, it wear a 1094 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 4: little bit on Gino, who's having to complete over fifty 1095 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 4: five percent of his throws under two point five seconds 1096 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 4: or less. He's been playing out standing football, but how 1097 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 4: sustainable is this when the tackles are not holding up 1098 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 4: in a big way? 1099 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: Sunday was crazy. His time to throw is like two 1100 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: point three in that game. He's like Aaron Rodgers out there. 1101 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: They're both just getting rid of the ball so quickly. 1102 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: And but Gino's not doing it because like he doesn't 1103 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: want to get hit. In fact, he's running better than 1104 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: ever he had. He's one of the has one of 1105 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 1: the most rushing values in terms of EPA and QBR 1106 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: in the league. 1107 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 4: But he's doing it to try to make positive plays 1108 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,359 Speaker 4: head right, because there's nothing else they can do because 1109 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 4: the pressure that the outsides, especially the interior, is given up. 1110 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 4: You know, some I think it's like thirty eight pressure 1111 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 4: or something like that. But the exterior is now, what 1112 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 4: really you know, at least you thought you know Charles 1113 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 4: Cross was going to hold up. But both of those 1114 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,400 Speaker 4: tackles are really struggling right now. 1115 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 2: They are. 1116 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 5: And I mean to your point, Greg, these the losses 1117 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 5: that they're coming off of. I mean, I was so 1118 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 5: surprised that the Seahawks lost to the Giants and that 1119 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 5: the Giants looked as good as they did. So the 1120 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 5: Niners though, too, I mean, blowing that lead. Now they're 1121 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 5: zero to two in the NFC West, they're oh and 1122 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 5: three in the NFC. All of this is going to 1123 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 5: factor into a potential tiebreaker at the end of the season. 1124 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 5: So this game is so massive it's almost like who 1125 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 5: is more desperate And it shouldn't be this high of 1126 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 5: stakes this early in the season, but it actually is. 1127 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 5: And the Niners are having massive red zone issues without 1128 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey. They can't figure that out. Six red zone 1129 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 5: trips only one touchdown. They were the best in the 1130 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 5: league last year in red zone efficiency. So there's just 1131 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 5: a lot of issues on both teams that they need 1132 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,359 Speaker 5: to figure out on a short week with a lot 1133 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 5: of injuries. 1134 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 4: And they can't even rely necessarily on their field goal 1135 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,080 Speaker 4: unit at this point, even if they do struggle in 1136 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 4: the red zone because Jake Moody has got a high 1137 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 4: ankle sprain and they had to go sign matthew Wright 1138 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 4: because they were in sort of a sudden change who 1139 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 4: was kicking the ball for US situation in the last game. 1140 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,720 Speaker 4: So even with the red zone, you can't be certain 1141 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 4: that they'll come away with points at all in that situation. 1142 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: Right, And the Seahawks probably look at the forty nine Ers, 1143 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,800 Speaker 1: if they're being honest, and say, hey, actually, this is 1144 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,080 Speaker 1: a team that we should be able to protect Gino 1145 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: Smith against. Yeah, they have Nick Bosa, but hopefully you know, 1146 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: Charles Cross can help there and you chip them when 1147 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,399 Speaker 1: he's on the other side. But other than that, it's 1148 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty thin in terms of the forty nine ers 1149 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: pass rush. And they had that one where you play 1150 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots and everyone feels good about their pass rush 1151 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,959 Speaker 1: after they play the Patriots. 1152 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 2: And then it's a comeback down to earth game. 1153 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,919 Speaker 1: They're a little banged up there, but they also lost 1154 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: Yetur gross Matos, who is playing at defensive tackle. I 1155 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't think they were as deep as they could have 1156 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: been to begin with, and then they've had injuries on 1157 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: top of that. So it's not the forty nine ers 1158 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: defense that you know that in theory you love. The 1159 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 1: Seahawks would love to run the ball. I think a 1160 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: little bit more and better. They are number one in 1161 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: the league the last month in terms of neutral like 1162 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: passing rate, which means on normal down and distance, they're 1163 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: just passing the ball all the time. You would like 1164 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: to see Kenneth Walker get involved, but yeah, partly because 1165 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,840 Speaker 1: they don't trust their their run blocking that much. I 1166 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 1: came away from these two games a little stunned, Like 1167 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: if you just watched it on red Zone a little bit, 1168 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: or you saw how the forty nine Ers blew a lead, 1169 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 1: or it was the field goal block in Seattle and 1170 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: you think, okay, well that sort of things happened. It's like, no, 1171 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: the Giants could have won that game by twenty They 1172 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,359 Speaker 1: dominated in both trenches. They were the better team by 1173 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: a good amount, and the Cardinals were similar. I think 1174 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were a better team that they who had 1175 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: some bad luck on a return touchdown and they still 1176 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: found a way to win that they kind of got 1177 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: physically manhandled. 1178 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 2: You just don't normally see that with the Fortunes. 1179 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 5: The Giants ran all over the Seahawks in this game, 1180 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy five rushing yards, where at the 1181 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 5: Giants they were averaging about eighty five rushing yards per 1182 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 5: game coming into this. They also didn't have Devin Singletary, 1183 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 5: so it was Tyrone Tracy who had one hundred and 1184 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 5: twenty nine rushing yards on eighteen carries. 1185 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 3: Like he went off. 1186 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, if there's one coach who I know is going 1187 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 4: to just hunker down and run the ball at somebody, 1188 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 4: it's going to be Kyle Shanahan. Mike McDonald's had to 1189 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 4: stand up there at the lectern and talk about unsound 1190 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 4: technical work and fundamentals and gap accountability in the run 1191 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 4: game almost every single week. Now, this was a defense 1192 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 4: that was supposed to make that area one of its 1193 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,280 Speaker 4: strong points. 1194 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: I look at their linebackers and it's a problem. They 1195 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,719 Speaker 1: got cooked by Brian Davil. Brian Dabel came in and 1196 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: there and was like, Hey, you guys are on a 1197 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: short week. We've had a little extra time from Thursday 1198 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,239 Speaker 1: night football, and he handed it to Mike McDonald. It 1199 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of the game to help get 1200 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald this job. Mike McDonald versus the forty nine 1201 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: ers when it was Ravens forty nine Ers on Christmas Day. 1202 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 2: I can't forget it. 1203 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: Because I was here and that matchup is what partly 1204 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: got Mike McDonald this job. Can he be the Shanahan killer? 1205 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: Can he be the McVey killer? Like we'll see when 1206 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: he plays the Rams this year, But that to me 1207 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: is fascinating. He does not have the players at linebacker 1208 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: that he had when he was with Baltimore. 1209 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,080 Speaker 2: No one really does. 1210 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: And or you know that the forty nine ers do, 1211 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,280 Speaker 1: frankly with Fred Warner, and so he's having to adjust. 1212 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: And they were a big time problem in the running 1213 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,319 Speaker 1: game and the passing game last week. 1214 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 4: The Seahawks rushing defense for the twenty twenty four season, 1215 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 4: they are allowing four point five yards per carry and 1216 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,759 Speaker 4: five rushing touchdowns so far. And this is going to 1217 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,399 Speaker 4: be a Kyle Shanahan forty nine Ers team. I don't 1218 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,399 Speaker 4: think we'll have any problem bring down and running the ball. 1219 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: Mason's looks awesome. I mean he had that fumble last week, 1220 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, he literally has more yards than any forty 1221 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,439 Speaker 1: nine ers running back in history, and I remember. 1222 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 5: When that first game that he came in and I 1223 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 5: was doing the pregame show for it, we were like, Okay, 1224 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 5: well it's gonna be just another one. 1225 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,920 Speaker 2: What should we pick it. 1226 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't feel good about the Seahawks right now, but 1227 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: I will pick them because that's what I want to 1228 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: root for. 1229 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 2: Really. 1230 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 3: They have their throwback uniforms too, though, fun nine. 1231 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 2: Those just need to become their unifor I love them. 1232 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 4: I'm going to pick the forty nine ers because Rock Purty, 1233 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 4: I think overall is playing really well. I think that 1234 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 4: perhaps you can consider last week more of an outlier 1235 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 4: game from him than how he has showed up across 1236 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 4: the season, inclusive to not having a lot of his 1237 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 4: skill players around him. So I do want to pick 1238 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,240 Speaker 4: the forty nine Ers in this game. It is interesting 1239 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,080 Speaker 4: you're hearing some reports out of there of he's feeling weird, 1240 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 4: just a little bit off, lots of moving parts. No, no, 1241 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,640 Speaker 4: the forty nine ers building as a whole things feeling 1242 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 4: a little weird, just generally off in terms of there's 1243 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 4: just been a lot of moving parts around that building 1244 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 4: so far, missing players, adding players back, you know, some 1245 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 4: long term injuries. But I do think that Rock Party 1246 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 4: is going to play better this week. 1247 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,360 Speaker 3: I am God, this is such a toss up this game. 1248 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the Niners right now, just because 1249 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,720 Speaker 5: I'm not sure about the Seahawks injuries that they have 1250 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 5: Rik Woolen, U Chena Nuosu Byron Murphy. I mean, these 1251 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 5: are significant players that aren't playing right now, and I 1252 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 5: mean they didn't they put out the estimated practice report 1253 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,400 Speaker 5: today and that would be a do not practice for 1254 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 5: them or didn't participate. 1255 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 3: So it's just that's going to be the determining factor. 1256 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got Nuosubak, who was supposed to be their 1257 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: best pass rusher for less than a full game, and 1258 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,880 Speaker 1: he is now going to injured reserve with a thigh injury, 1259 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: which was a new injury that it's good that you 1260 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: point that out. Talineo Hufanga is reportedly going to miss 1261 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: about a month or so with a risk injury, although 1262 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: his replacements looked really good. I thought Malik Mustafa has 1263 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: made some plays for them, so that's been a nice fine. 1264 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: That was this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video. 1265 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to watch the San Francisco forty nine Ers 1266 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 1: take on the Seattle Seahawks this Thursday on Prime Video. 1267 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 2: We do have some news. 1268 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,440 Speaker 1: Surprisingly at the end of this show, Derek Carr is 1269 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: expected to miss multiple weeks with the oblique injury that 1270 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 1: he suffered against the Chiefs. The Saints have two games 1271 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,440 Speaker 1: in the next nine days. One of them is against 1272 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, a big division game, and then the Sean 1273 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: Payton comes to New Orleans game, and they're not going 1274 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: to have Derek oh Car. 1275 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 3: That is a bummer. 1276 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: Really interested to see if they're going to start Jay 1277 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: Hayner or Spencer Rattley. 1278 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,680 Speaker 4: Well, Mike Garafalo is saying that Spencer Rattler is a 1279 00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 4: strong candidates and Derek Carr's absence and he site sources 1280 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 4: telling himself and Ian Rapaport that is awesome. 1281 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 2: That's good teamwork. 1282 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Thank you Jordan for helping us out there, because I 1283 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: really loved what I saw out of Rattler in the preseason. 1284 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,200 Speaker 1: He is not a normal fifth round pick. He is talented, 1285 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,600 Speaker 1: he's fun, he is gonna he's gonna throw that ball around. 1286 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna go against the Bucks 1287 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and Broncos. That is a tough assignment, but I think 1288 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: it'd be more interesting than Jake Hayner. And yeah, this 1289 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Saints team, which we were so excited about after two weeks, 1290 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 1: is staring at two and five, and this is how 1291 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,720 Speaker 1: you manage the season. 1292 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 2: You got to get one of those two games. You 1293 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 2: got to get the Sean Paton Bowl. 1294 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 1: How I'm looking forward to that TNF recap, also looking 1295 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: forward to this week's TNF recap. 1296 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 2: So it's that one. 1297 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: This game we just talked about that's gonna be covered 1298 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,520 Speaker 1: by Patrick Claybon and Nick Shook. Everyone that's listening here, 1299 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: if you haven't been hearing me talk about heading to London, 1300 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: I ask for your understanding with a little disruption. I 1301 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 1: like that each week on this show, we've had a 1302 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,840 Speaker 1: nice routine. M h, what a great crew. This is 1303 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: be your next Tuesday. 1304 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,040 Speaker 4: I love Tuesday. 1305 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 3: Just so that's our text change, so the listener is aware. 1306 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's the name of the text change. 1307 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,560 Speaker 1: So we got we got the preview show normally with 1308 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Patrick and Steve, we've got the recap show and it's 1309 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: the same every week, which I really like that regularly 1310 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,960 Speaker 1: as a listener, I like that too. But this week's 1311 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit different. I'm I'm heading 1312 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,440 Speaker 1: to a plane right now, heading over. 1313 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, lond waiting for him. 1314 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,320 Speaker 1: Yes, your suitcase, that tnfreecap will be taking care of 1315 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: by my friends Nick and Patrick in the middle of 1316 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,960 Speaker 1: the night. But before that happens, we're going to have 1317 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: a preview show going up a little bit earlier. And 1318 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I mentioned that because I'm going to actually tape it 1319 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,080 Speaker 1: at the Greenwood Sports Pub in London. And I don't know, 1320 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm just like throwing. 1321 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 2: This out here. Should I just have people come by 1322 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 2: if you want to? 1323 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 3: Are you asking us? 1324 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. 1325 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,040 Speaker 4: I'll be right there. 1326 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, if any listeners want to come by. Now, it's 1327 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 1: not going to be like a live show or anything, 1328 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 1: so maybe maybe show up like before and it'll just 1329 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,000 Speaker 1: be a nice place to have a beer. And then 1330 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: after we're done we could have some we can have 1331 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 1: some you know, beers or some fishing. 1332 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,400 Speaker 3: I had a meet up for at and when I 1333 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,240 Speaker 3: went to London, so. 1334 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: That that is at the Greenwood Sports Pub. It's Thursday afternoon, 1335 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,360 Speaker 1: so I know people are working. It's we're we're going 1336 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 1: to be taping and be there from about twelve to 1337 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,840 Speaker 1: three or so. But we'll be wrapping up between two 1338 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: and three pm. But come along, you know, help out 1339 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 1: the Bears Sports Pub. 1340 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 2: Why not. 1341 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of wild that they have an 1342 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,600 Speaker 1: official sports pub like it while they're over there, and 1343 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,000 Speaker 1: so that would be fun and it'd be fun to 1344 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,840 Speaker 1: meet some NFL Daily listeners. So that show's going to 1345 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 1: go up a little later in the feed than the 1346 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 1: previews show normally does, but it'll still be there pretty 1347 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,920 Speaker 1: early on Thursday, and then yes Sunday, it's going to 1348 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,840 Speaker 1: be a different crew for the recap show. 1349 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,880 Speaker 2: I'm excited to get some voices. I really love. 1350 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Ally Connelly is going to join me. Nat Kombs is 1351 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,320 Speaker 1: going to be on the show. Phoebe Schechter, who I 1352 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 1: work with at Sky Sports, is going to be on 1353 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 1: the show. So it's going to be a lot of fun. 1354 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,600 Speaker 4: I'll miss you, but I won't We'll see you next Tuesday, right, 1355 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 4: I know. 1356 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like they said, like, hey, how 1357 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,400 Speaker 2: do you want to do this trip? 1358 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,440 Speaker 1: I said, well, we can do it, but only if 1359 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,880 Speaker 1: it does not disrupt the Colleen and Jordan Shan interfere. 1360 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 4: This is such a pivot from his outbursts earlier. I know, 1361 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,760 Speaker 4: What's what's coming down down the pike here. 1362 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 2: I need to get you in my favor before before it. 1363 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 2: You never know what could happen. I hope I make 1364 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,360 Speaker 2: it back. All right, let's go. 1365 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: That was it for NFL Daily and yes, when it's 1366 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 1: time to head over to London, you know that football 1367 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:33,240 Speaker 1: is back. 1368 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 2: See you on the other side. Have fun.