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Speaker 1: All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off now,

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Speaker 1: and appreciate you being with us. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you a little bit of the conversation on the CNN

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Speaker 1: this morning, and Clay, let's be honest, they kind of

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Speaker 1: need me, you know what I mean now all of

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Speaker 1: Florida voter circa two thousand. Like, oh man, they need

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Speaker 1: every single one they can get because every vote counts,

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Speaker 1: every viewer counts. Over there, they're having a rough one.

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Speaker 1: But I've also been seeing a lot of the way

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Speaker 1: they're trying to process this on CNN and the way

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to line up the arguments against now

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Speaker 1: they're really honed in. They've they made almost no noise

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Speaker 1: at all about Christy nom at DHS, which I think

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Speaker 1: is interesting. They're not she's not on the Democrats hate

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Speaker 1: talk about it. Tom Homan, well Tom super duper qualify

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Speaker 1: to do exactly what he does, So you know, they

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Speaker 1: they can't go they can't go after qualifications at all.

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Speaker 1: What are they really going to say we don't like

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Speaker 1: him because he's going to actually enforce the law. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's like an advertisement for him. They're going after hag

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Speaker 1: Seth and they're going after cash Betel a lot, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they're breaking through with any new

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Speaker 1: interesting over there as they try to deal with this

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Speaker 1: new reality and the reality this week of the Biden Pardon,

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Speaker 1: you had Jeffrey Tubin's.

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Speaker 2: He is he back?

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Speaker 1: At seeing I thought was he's back, He's back, He's back. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the infamous Tubin as perhaps he could be known. We

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Speaker 1: could come up with some other names, but this is

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Speaker 1: a family show, so we keep a family friendly on

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Speaker 1: the air. But Jeffrey Tubin the first thing you google

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Speaker 1: certain reasons. Some people are saying famous guy certain reasons.

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Speaker 1: And here he is pointing out that j six pardons

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Speaker 1: because this is on the upside of the Hunter Biden Pardon,

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Speaker 1: other than us getting to marinate in their agony. This

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Speaker 1: week overlooking like such idiots in the media. Ooh, there's

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Speaker 1: never going to pardon his son. Yeah, we knew he would.

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Speaker 1: But Clay, the possibility of JA six pardons going up

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Speaker 1: substantially is also tied to this. This is cut seven

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Speaker 1: to the point about the January sixth people have been convicted.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this kind of opens the door for that?

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Speaker 1: It makes it more likely, and I think it already

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Speaker 1: was likely.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're fifteen hundred people convicted in the you know,

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Speaker 3: broad January sixth investigation. Whether he pardons every single one

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Speaker 3: of them or just several hundred, I think is is

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Speaker 3: certain most of them have already most of them have

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Speaker 3: completed their sentences or they weren't sent instead of prison in.

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Speaker 1: The first place.

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Speaker 3: But there are several hundreds still in prison, including some

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Speaker 3: for extreme crimes of violence. Will Trump pardon them all?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, But I think the likelihood of a

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Speaker 3: substantial number of pardons went up today because.

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Speaker 1: Of what Biden did yesterday. I like that that's recognized

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Speaker 1: as a side effect, if you will, of the hunter

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Speaker 1: are many people we've talked a lot to Julie Kelly

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Speaker 1: We've consistently been highlighting the unfair treatment, the unjust treatment

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is one where if they were asking

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Speaker 4: me advice, I told you what my advice would have

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Speaker 4: say to the Trump team, do everything on day one

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Speaker 4: Because I don't want to be alarmist, but I think

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Speaker 4: the likelihood is you have to think about the trajectory

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Speaker 4: good chance of taking back the House in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Typically off president election years do not go well for

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Speaker 4: do everything in the first year everything. I want every

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Speaker 4: And a big part of this buck is you have

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Speaker 4: to pardon. I mean this clearly. I don't even want

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Speaker 4: anybody to misrepresent this. Every single January sixth defendant should

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Speaker 4: be pardoned on day one, every single one of them.

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Speaker 4: And this is important because they're going to say, what

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Speaker 1: Wipe it clean. If they were wearing BLM shirts and

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Speaker 2: We all saw it.

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Speaker 1: that disparity that occurring. People say, oh, it's about stopping

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Speaker 1: It's over.

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Speaker 4: This is with Buck Hunter Biden's pardon opened the door

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Speaker 4: January sixth, like Rachel Maddow like falling down like the

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Speaker 4: I think that's why they're so angry. Buck, the Hunter

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Speaker 4: Biden pardon cut their legs out from underneath.

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Speaker 1: You that what's the arguments they're supposed to make nowhere?

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Speaker 1: Where's this sort of sanctimonious lib who goes on TV,

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Speaker 1: Look it's about or to my we're really because I

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Speaker 1: think it's about your scumbag son raising tens of millions

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Speaker 1: writing that an NDA payment that was legal was like

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Speaker 1: That Donald Trump should face the music for a federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: is the justice system that these sanctimonious libs for years

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Speaker 2: We stand in defense of and they know Clay.

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Speaker 1: Unless you are a totally deluded lunatic, you see this

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Speaker 4: How about also a reassessment of Jan six.

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Speaker 2: Eighty one million votes. A lot of the people who

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Speaker 4: Six felt like Democrats cheated in the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 4: But I definitely think a reassessment.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think they're probably right about the eighty one million

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Speaker 4: But the fact that Kamal is seven million fewer votes,

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Speaker 4: look at the data. Does this add up. I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying I would pardon on day one, every single January

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Speaker 1: I think that he will. And if I'm wrong on

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Speaker 4: in the United States. It's not the seventy percent of

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Speaker 4: people that are going out there trying to catch bad

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Speaker 4: guys on a regular basis. It's the thirty percent in

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Speaker 4: management structure that is hard to get through. If you are.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who's taken over this organization, ron desentis is somebody

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Speaker 1: who understands what it is to go against the bureaucratic

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Speaker 1: blob in his case standing against the CDC during COVID

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Speaker 1: and the madness of Fauciism and all that, and also

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Speaker 1: really just whipping Florida into shape. I mean, not just

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Speaker 1: because I live here. This place. Florida just kind of

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Speaker 1: adds to its awesomeness every year now, and it's because

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Speaker 1: a lot of great people from all over the country,

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Speaker 1: particularly the Northeastern corridor, have moved to Florida because they

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Speaker 1: want more of what Florida has been offering. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying Ron knows results. He's gotten results in his state,

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Speaker 1: and he understands what Cash Battel is up against. And

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Speaker 1: I wanted you to hear Governor DeSantis's analysis of Cash

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Speaker 1: Battel at FBI Play fourteen.

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Speaker 5: Ashpattel understands the problems with the FBI, and he is

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Speaker 5: a reformer that will not be captured by the bureaucrats.

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Speaker 5: Contrast that to our current FBI Director Christopher Ray. We

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Speaker 5: remember when he got appointed back in twenty seventeen, he

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Speaker 5: immediately became a company man and was captured by that institution.

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Speaker 5: He has not reformed it in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 5: And so I actually think Cash has a lot of

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Speaker 5: very significant experience. That's important here, but put that aside.

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Speaker 5: You can be the smartest guy in the world. You

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Speaker 5: can have all this experience. If you don't understand that

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Speaker 5: the institution needs to be reformed. If you get captured,

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Speaker 5: then you're done. You're not gonna be effective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the whole game, right now, that's the whole,

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Speaker 1: the whole situation.

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Speaker 4: And this is why I would just reiterate, and I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna keep slamming it. I know you are. You got

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Speaker 4: to move fast and break things. And this is where

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Speaker 4: I worry a little bit. If you ask me, Okay, Clay,

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Speaker 4: what do you think about Elon and the they and

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Speaker 4: their attempt to make government more efficient?

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Speaker 1: We all need that to happen.

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Speaker 4: My concern is, I so Elon is the best to

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Speaker 4: ever create rockets to go to space. He is the

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Speaker 4: best to ever reconsider how to make a vehicle propel itself.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: He replaced the combustion engine. He has done two things

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Speaker 4: already in his life that people would have said to him,

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Speaker 4: you are crazy if you're trying to do it. My

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Speaker 4: concern is, when you're an executive, you can break things

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Speaker 4: and move fast. That's why I liked running my own

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Speaker 4: media company, not because I made every decision perfectly, but

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Speaker 4: because sometimes even making the wrong decision is better than inertia.

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Speaker 4: It's so I hate meetings. I hate meetings in government

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Speaker 4: and big business. All you do is sit in meetings

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Speaker 4: all day and talk about ideas of things you might

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Speaker 4: do instead of actually doing them.

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Speaker 1: My concern buck.

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Speaker 4: Is that Elon is just going to get impatient and

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Speaker 4: he's going to say this is so inefficient I can

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Speaker 4: do I can make things happen quicker in the private sector,

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Speaker 4: and he's just going to get burned out. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's why he's trying to get so many people

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Speaker 4: in positions and advocating for people who will move fast

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Speaker 4: and break things, because that's better than just sitting still.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Elon has signed up to be he

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Speaker 1: thinks the personal trainer for somebody who needs to lose

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty or thirty pounds, and the client's going

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Speaker 1: to show up on the first day and the client

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Speaker 1: where it weighs like twelve hundred pounds.

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Speaker 2: Like I think he has.

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Speaker 1: No idea the scope and slovenly, you know, nature of

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Speaker 1: the federal governments. I mean, I shouldn't say no idea.

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Speaker 1: He obviously he's taking the song because he understands. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, once you get in and you start to

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Speaker 1: look under the hood, it's going to get really ugly

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Speaker 1: really fast. So I do have I have that concern

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Speaker 1: about Elon and I think with cash at at FBI,

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Speaker 1: it's critical that he moves very quickly because this is

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Speaker 1: all going to get bogged down in politics really fast,

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Speaker 1: meaning you know, members of Congress are going to start

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Speaker 1: to lose their sense of urgency, you know, sense of urgency.

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Speaker 1: Karay and I went to a very you know, it

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Speaker 1: was kind of a holiday treat fir Ust went to

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Speaker 1: a very nice restaurant, a fancy place in New York,

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Speaker 1: and we actually got a tour of the kitchen and

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Speaker 1: they said, yeah, it was per se. I've never been

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Speaker 1: before it is.

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Speaker 4: Are they fans of the show? Why did you get

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Speaker 4: the tour of the kitchen? That's a nice additional benefit.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, because my wife is pretty and very nice. I

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Speaker 1: think that was why.

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Speaker 4: By the way, be it pretty and very nice can

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Speaker 4: get a woman very far. That's a very good combination.

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Speaker 1: I think they're like, she's pretty and she's very polite

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Speaker 1: and friendly to all the staff, so they gave us.

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Speaker 1: I bring it up though, because in this kitchen. This

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Speaker 1: is a three Michelin star restaurant, so there's only two

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Speaker 1: of them in New York City. And it look, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've never been before. We'd always wanted to go, we'd

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Speaker 1: never been to get a reservation. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: it's a special occasion place. People are there for their birthdays,

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Speaker 1: people are there for anniversaries, right, and that's really the

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Speaker 1: And they had one plaque on the wall, just randomly

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Speaker 1: one thing, sense of urgency, and that really stuck out

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Speaker 1: in my mind because that is apt to operate at

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Speaker 1: that level. I know you're saying, oh, it's like a kitchen.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you're working in a kitchen, No, it can either

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Speaker 1: be a Swiss watch or it can be total chaos. Right,

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Speaker 1: this place was a Swiss watch at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: This place was absolute precision, no surprise, one of those

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Speaker 1: famous restaurants in the world, Thomas Keller Place. Sense of urgency.

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Speaker 1: That is what should be in every government office everywhere

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Speaker 1: in the country, for whatever the mission is, whether you're

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Speaker 1: a Department of Agriculture, and if it doesn't make sense

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Speaker 1: to you why you should have a sense of urgency.

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Speaker 1: You either shouldn't be working there or the place shouldn't exist,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that is what they're

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Speaker 1: going to be fighting in the whole federal bureaucracy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's my thing in general with what I'm

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Speaker 4: afraid Elon is going to run into is, you know,

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Speaker 4: move fast and break things. Is the dynamic of many

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Speaker 4: of you out there that are entrepreneurs. Try something, it

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Speaker 4: might work. If it doesn't, you can pivot and try

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Speaker 4: something else. That is the entire concept, and it's the

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Speaker 4: antithesis of everything that our government has come to represent.

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Speaker 4: And so that's my concern with gosh, it's my concern

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Speaker 4: with anybody taking over these agencies, even if you have

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Speaker 4: the right ideas. There is and this is one whorse

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Speaker 4: Trump got to completely write, there is a swamp that

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Speaker 4: doesn't really want to do anything, at least in business.

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Speaker 4: In theory, the goal is to make a profit.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what the.

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Speaker 1: Goal is of most bit of most of.

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Speaker 4: Our government other than for those people to have jobs.

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Speaker 4: Like if you work at a for profit business, okay,

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Speaker 4: your job is to make money and create a bigger business.

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Speaker 4: That's very easy to understand. Everybody understands that concept. What

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Speaker 4: is the purpose of government? I don't know that there's

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Speaker 4: a good answer for huge swaths of our government.

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Speaker 1: You know Elon has has used this meme or has

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Speaker 1: reached me.

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Speaker 2: Did this meme?

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Speaker 1: The whole office Base? The Two Bob's timeless for gen

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Speaker 1: X and millennials. Office Space a very powerful movie for

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Speaker 1: Doge in that meme are getting a lot of use because, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you work at the Federal Department of Education, what

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Speaker 1: would you say you do here? And we're gonna speak

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Speaker 4: Sometimes the attacks people bring against you can actually serve

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Speaker 6: Cash Pateel is a guy who is really the pure

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Speaker 6: distillation of Maga energy. He is a loyalist to the

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Speaker 6: end of Donald Trump. His entire being, his entire public persona,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, whatever, we don't even hear his little the

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Speaker 1: pure distillation of Maga Clay. I mean, Cash is already

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Speaker 4: I sometimes I wonder are they really trying to ensure

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Speaker 4: We'll talk a little bit about that in the third Hour.

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Speaker 4: But it seems to me that right now all of

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Speaker 4: Trump's nominees would be on track to be confirmed, and

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Speaker 4: we'll see what sort of dirty laundry they can dig up.

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Speaker 4: But what I would point out to all of you

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Speaker 4: is the fact that they're coming after some of these

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Speaker 4: guys so aggressively is to me the purest distillation of

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Speaker 4: evidence of why they should get the job. Because if

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Speaker 4: MSNBC is excited about the nomination, that's not somebody that

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Speaker 4: I want anywhere near these jobs.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and more. Thanks for hanging with us,

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Speaker 1: Third Hour. Next