1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm John Tucker. Here 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: are these stories we're following today. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 3: John. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 4: The drop in stocks we're seeing around the world comes 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 4: ahead of President Donald Trump's planned announcement of tariffs on Wednesday. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 4: White House officials had insisted earlier this month the levies 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 4: would be more targeted, with some nations being excluded, but 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 4: on Air Force One last night, the President pushed back 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 4: on that idea. 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 5: You'd start with all countries, so let's see what happens. 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 5: There are many countries. I haven't heard a rumor about 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 5: fifteen countries, ten. 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 4: Or fifteen those countries. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 5: Essentially all of the countries that we're talking about wouldn't 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 5: be talking about all countries and. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: Not a cutoff. 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: President Trump's indicated the plan will go beyond matching tariffs 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 4: that other countries slap on US imports to include things 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: like value added taxes and regulations. At the White how 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: caes is unfair. 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: And President Trump also threatening secondary terraces on buyers of 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: Russian oil if Vladimir Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: with Ukraine. In an interview with NBC News, the President 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: said he was very angry with Putin for questioning Ukrainian 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: President Filadimir Zelenski as a negotiating partner, but he's softened 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: his tone with Putin on Air Force One. 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to go back in this squad. 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 5: I've known him for a long time. We've always gotten 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 5: along well. He considered Zliski not credible. He's supposed to 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 5: be making a deal with him, whether you like him, 32 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 5: where you don't like him, So I wasn't. 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: Happy with that. 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: At the same time, President Trump pressuring Zelenski to agree 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: to a deal on critical resource access, saying if Ukraine 36 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: backs out of the Rare Earth's deal, he's got quote big, 37 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: big problems and John. 38 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: President Trump's push for a ceasefire in Ukraine's drawing praise 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: from his allies on Capitol Hill. Republican Senator Mark Wayne 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: Mullen reacted on NBC's Meet the Press. 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 6: President Trump makes very clear where his positions are on 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 6: all situations, but he's wanted to go through diplomacy first 43 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 6: before anything else takes place. So him having a friendship 44 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 6: or trying to have a relationship with Russia before this 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 6: goes to this place was a right move. Now he's 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 6: saying he's done. 47 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 4: That was Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma on 48 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 4: NBC's Meet the Press, which you can hear every Sunday 49 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: on Bloomberg Radio. 50 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: And President Trump also were refusing to rule out running 51 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: for a third term. He told the NBC there are 52 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: methods that would allow him to rug in. When I 53 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: asked about it on Air Force One, the President had 54 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 2: this to say, you want to talk about. 55 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 5: It, I'm just telling you I have had more people 56 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 5: say please run again. I said, we have a long 57 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 5: way to go before we even think about that. 58 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: The twenty second Amendment to the Constitution limits presidents to 59 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: just two terms. It was an act at after Franklin 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 2: Delano Roosevelt was elected to a fourth term in nineteen 61 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: forty four. 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: Turned back to markets now, John, As we said, futures 63 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 4: and stocks around the world are sliding as we begin 64 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 4: a new trading week. In Japan, the nik correction territory, 65 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: and as you mentioned, gold once again is trading at 66 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: a record heading into today's session, the S and P 67 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: five hundred is down more than five percent. That's in 68 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: contrast to stocks in Europe. They are higher by twelve 69 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: percent for the quarter. Bloomberg Intelligence Diructor of Equity Research, 70 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: Tim craighead has more on the divergence. 71 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 7: After years clearly of a tech driven tech lad rally 72 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 7: in the US outperforming basically everything, this has been a 73 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 7: three month period where we've had deep seek meet a 74 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 7: German bazouka in terms of spending, meets Donald Trump tariffs, 75 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 7: and it's those three factors that have turned tech on 76 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 7: its head, have ignited optimism that we're not going to 77 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 7: let this crisis in Europe go to waste, and we're 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 7: actually going to get some collaboration and integration and movement. 79 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: That's Tim Craig of Bloomberg Intelligence. The risk of tarifflink 80 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: damage has propelled the S and P five hundred to 81 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: its worst quarter since twenty twenty two, wiping five trillion 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: dollars off its value from a record high in. 83 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: February, and Nathan Goldman Sachs is cutting its S and 84 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: P five hundred target for a second time this month. 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: They're citing higher recession risk and towerf related to uncertainty. 86 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: The team, led by David Costin now sees the benchmark 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: to ending the year around five seven hundred points versus 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: their previous estimate of sixty two hundred. The new target 89 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: implies gains of just two percent from Friday's clothes. It's 90 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: among the lowest on Wall Straight, according to data compiled 91 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: by Bloomberg. 92 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: Of course, John one of the hardest hits stocks during 93 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 4: the recent selloff has been Tesla, and at a town 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 4: hall event in Wisconsin, the CEO Elon Musk acknowledged his 95 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 4: job as head of President Trump's effort to cut the 96 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 4: size of government is having an impact. 97 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 8: It's costing me a lot to be in this job. 98 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 8: What they're trying to do is put massive pressure on me, 99 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 8: and I has I guess to to you know, I 100 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 8: don't stop doing this. Well, you know, my Tesla stock 101 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 8: and the stock of everyone who hostess has gone went 102 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 8: roughly in half. I mean it's a big deal. 103 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: Elon Musk's personal wealth has dropped by more than one 104 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 4: hundred billion dollars this year as Tesla shares have slumped 105 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 4: forty five percent from last year's peak. Musk spoken Wisconsin 106 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: ahead of a state Supreme Court election tomorrow. 107 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: And finally, the head of France's National Rally Party, Marie Leapin, 108 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: has been convicted of embezzlement by a Poaris court and 109 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: it threatens the far right leaders possible twenty twenty seven 110 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: bid for president. She and her party are found guilty 111 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: of diverting millions of euros in EU funds to finance 112 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: activities related to their domestic agenda. Lapan denys wrongdoing, claims 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: the prosecution is seeking her political death. As she puts it, 114 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: the judges still reading out their decision this morning. If 115 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: she enters the race, Lapen would currently be the leading 116 00:05:53,160 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: candidate to replace Emmanuel mccron in twenty twenty seven, five 117 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: h seven Right now at Wall Street, and it's time 118 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: for a look at some of the other stories making 119 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: news in New York and around the world. And for 120 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: that we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. Michael, good morning, 121 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: Good morning John. 122 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: The death toll from the seven point seven magnitude earthquake 123 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: that hit me and mar has passed seventeen hundred as 124 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: more bodies have been pulled from the rubble. A government 125 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: spokesman says that another thirty four hundred have been injured 126 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: and more than three hundred are missing. The earthquake occurred 127 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: Friday near the country's second largest city. The World Food 128 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: Programs Director in me and Mar Michael Dunford is calling 129 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: on the world to help with urgent and immediate humanitarian services. 130 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: This isn't a country that already was experienced a humanitarian 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: catastrophe because of an ongoing civil conflict, a civil war 132 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: that has been raging now for four years. Muslim organization 133 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: says seven hundred worshipers who were in mosques for Friday's 134 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: prayers during the holy month of Ramadan killed and some 135 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: sixty mocks collapsed or were damaged. A tragic car crash 136 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, New York, over the weekend is throwing the 137 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: spotlight on habitual speeders, with multiple states now considering ways 138 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: to crack down that includes installing devices and cars that 139 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: prevent them from exceeding the speed limit. Police say thirty 140 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: two year old Miriam Uremi was behind the wheel when 141 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: she rear into a car and then struck and killed 142 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: thirty four year old Natasa Sodra and her two daughters, 143 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: ages five and eight. Sadra's son is in critical condition. 144 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: Police say Uremi was driving with a suspended license, and 145 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: records show she racked up more than ninety tickets in 146 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: the past, and that includes fifteen school zone speeding tickets 147 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 3: and red light tickets. In just the last year, loane 148 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: storms brought freezing rain and down trees and snapped power 149 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: lines in Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, and Ontario, Canada. More than 150 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: nine hundred thousand electricity customers lost power on Sunday. Utah 151 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: is now the first date demand fluoride in drinking water. 152 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: A recent foreign study brings the debate that claims too 153 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: much fluoride could be harmful to children's cognitive development. Toxicologist 154 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: doctor Stephanie Whitmer, the. 155 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 9: CDC has conducted high quality research that tells us fluoride 156 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 9: is really great for our dental health. Dental hygiene. It 157 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 9: strengthens enamel, It remineralizes our teeth, prevents de kay, it 158 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 9: combats cavities, it fights bacterial growth. We know fluoride is 159 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 9: good for our teeth. 160 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: Doctor Whitmer says matting fluoride and drinking water may impact 161 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 3: low income families who may not have access to high 162 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: quality dental care. Global News twenty four hours a day 163 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now Michael 164 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: Barr and this is Bloomberg. 165 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: John All right, Michael, thanks very much. Yeah, that brings 166 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: us to find ten all springtime. Now for the Bloomberg 167 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: Sports Update and for that, Good morning, Dan Schwartzman. 168 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 10: Good morning, John and Nathan. For the first time since 169 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 10: two thousand and eight, and for just a second time 170 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 10: since the NCAA tournament expanded to sixty four teams back 171 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 10: in nineteen eighty five, all four number one seeds reaching 172 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 10: the final four. Yesterday, Houston dominated Tennessee sixty nine to 173 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 10: fifty to win the Midwest Region, while Auburn outlasted Michigan 174 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 10: State seventy to sixty four. 175 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 11: We shall talk at fifteen. 176 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 10: Thanker listens straight music on a three ref You called 177 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 10: it right there. That's courtesy of CBS. Auburn winning the 178 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 10: South Region. Both teams joined Florida and Duke, who both 179 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 10: advanced On Saturday. Yankees improved to three and oh. Yankee 180 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 10: bats continue to slug home runs in another dominated and 181 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 10: win over the Brewers. 182 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: Free to count on arn Judge. One man out, driven 183 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: deep to leftfield. He's done it again, see ya, A 184 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: monster two run home run. Can't keep him in the park. 185 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: Two to one, Yanks. 186 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 10: That's courtesy of Yes Yanks. Knock off the Brewers twelve 187 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 10: to three. Yankee bats hit four more home runs in 188 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 10: the game. They now have fifteen on the season. Aaron 189 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 10: Judge another big game, hitting that three run homer, his 190 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 10: fourth homer in the past two games. Match with an 191 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 10: off day, they open up a three game set versus 192 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 10: the Marlins tonight Miami. Elsewhere, Nationals beat the Phillies five 193 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 10: to one, Red Sox lose at the Rangers three to two. 194 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 10: Orioles fall to the Blue Jays three to one. While 195 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 10: padre startered Nick Pavetta gives up just one hit in 196 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 10: seven innings in San Diego's five nothing win over the Braves. 197 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 10: NBA Action Nick's Pete Portland one ten to ninety three Warriors. 198 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 10: They've now gone eighteen and five since acquiring Jimmy Butler. 199 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 10: Golden State dominates the Spurs one hundred and forty eight 200 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 10: to one oh six, and the NHL Alexevechkin scoring is 201 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 10: eight hundred and ninetieth goal in the Capital's eight to 202 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 10: five loss to the Sabers. Ovi's now just five goals 203 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 10: away from passing Wayne Gretzky as a league's all time 204 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 10: leading goal scorer. That's your Bloomberg Sports Update. I'm Dan Schwartzman, 205 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 10: John and Nathan. 206 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius Exam 207 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 208 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Day Break. 209 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 4: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. With two days to go 210 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: until President Trump's promised Liberation Day of reciprocal tariffs, he 211 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: is now saying all countries need to be unnoticed, tamping 212 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: down some of the speculation that the tariffs WI announced 213 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 4: on April second could be limited in scope. 214 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 5: They ripped us off like no countries ever been ripped 215 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 5: off in history, and we're going to be much nicer 216 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 5: than they were to us. But it's substantial money for 217 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 5: the country, NEVERTHELEDS. 218 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 4: And that was the President speaking of Board Air Force 219 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 4: one last night. For the very latest, we are joined 220 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: by Bloomberg's Kevin Whitelaw. Kevin, of course, there has been 221 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: so much messaging around whatever the President is going to 222 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 4: announce on Wednesday, This talk from Treasury Secretary Scott Besson 223 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 4: that there might be a focus on what he's called 224 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: the Dirty fifteen. Now it seems the President is kind 225 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: of walking even that back a little bit. Good morning, 226 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: Good morning. 227 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 228 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 11: Obviously, this is something where I think there are two 229 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 11: different dynamics going on. One is there is a tussle 230 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 11: within the administration itself over exactly how to proceed. There's 231 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 11: a clamp within the Trump orbit that wants to go 232 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 11: super hard, super big on tariffs, and then there are 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 11: others that are very worried about the market impacts and 234 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 11: want to do a more gradual and incremental kind of approach. Obviously, 235 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 11: Trump's instincts seem to be to go big, but you know, 236 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 11: look until we actually see it, until we understand it, 237 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 11: until we see the numbers and exclusions and everything else, 238 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 11: you know, we're not going to really know. I think 239 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 11: the other dynamic is, frankly, the market just wants to 240 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 11: believe it isn't going to be too big, and so 241 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 11: I do think there's just a sort of a sense 242 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 11: of people out there that just want to believe that 243 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 11: this isn't going to be as dramatic and disruptive a 244 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 11: shift as Trump seems to be promising. 245 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: How much is the president watching the market reaction based 246 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 4: on what he's been saying in his public commentary, Yeah, 247 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 4: I don't think we. 248 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 11: Know for sure, but we do know that he does 249 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 11: frequently gauge you know, his you know, sort of his 250 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 11: the market does matter to him as a benchmark, and 251 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 11: there are times where he's very concerned about it. So 252 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 11: you know, you could see something where if so, if 253 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 11: he goes big in the market really really does tank, 254 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 11: he could end up adjusting it. I mean, keep in mind, 255 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 11: we have seen this before. He announces big things, he 256 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 11: does big things and then walks them back and adds 257 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 11: exclusions and everything else, or you know, does a temporary 258 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 11: suspension or so you know. Again, I think there are 259 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 11: still a set of people that are hoping this is 260 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 11: a negotiation or are hoping that if there really is 261 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 11: a big negative reaction that Trump will recalibrate. Both of 262 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 11: those things are possible. But you know, Trump has shown 263 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 11: that he's really does seem to believe broadly and deeply 264 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 11: in the idea of tariffs, and you know, he could 265 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 11: be trying to do something that's sort of a longer 266 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 11: term shift than I think maybe the market is fully 267 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 11: prepared for. 268 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: And does that idea that the president sees tariffs as 269 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: a negotiating tactic play into some of the comments that 270 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: we've been hearing from him around the Russia Ukraine ceasefire, 271 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 4: talking about secondary tariffs on Russian oil buyers if Vladimir 272 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 4: Putin doesn't come to a deal with Vladimir's Lenska. 273 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 11: Well, you know, it is interesting you are getting a 274 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 11: sense that that suddenly his frustration is building with Moscow 275 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 11: in a way we really haven't seen that much yet. 276 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 11: Most of his ire up to now has been directed 277 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 11: towards towards Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky. But this time, you know, 278 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 11: he's I think feeling tested by by Putin, and I 279 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 11: think he's realizing that that his ambitions of a quick 280 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 11: cease fire i e. You know, in the next few 281 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 11: weeks are slipping away. Is as Putin just doesn't seem 282 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 11: to be all that interested in it. And obviously I 283 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 11: think that a lot of other people watching this say that, 284 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 11: you know, the the you know, Trump has done so 285 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 11: many things that essentially encourage Putin to take a hard 286 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 11: line that it is going to be very difficult for 287 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 11: him to move him off of that. 288 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: And in our last minute, Kevin, what's the political consequence 289 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: potentially of some of this latest commentary from President Trump 290 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: that he's not ruling out the idea of seeking out 291 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 4: a third term, which in the the least the twenty 292 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: second Amendment of the Constitution seems to be a non starter. 293 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think the Constitution is really quite clear on this, 294 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 11: and I think everyone has gone back at various points 295 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 11: in the past couple of months to look at it 296 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 11: to understand it. So it's very, very hard to understand 297 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 11: what he's saying, other than you know, perhaps the constitutional amendment, 298 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 11: which you know is clearly not going to happen. That 299 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 11: is something Democrats have the easy ability to block and 300 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 11: the Congress, let alone in the States, So it's not 301 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 11: you know, I don't think he's ever explained what he's 302 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 11: meant by this. He has toyed with this before, and 303 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 11: you know, I don't think we know. 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