WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: "Party Discipline" by Cory Doctorow, Part One

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media book Club, book Club, book Club, book

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<v Speaker 1>Club Club Club. Welcome to Coolson Media book Club, the

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<v Speaker 1>only book club that starts with asynchronous chanting, unless your

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<v Speaker 1>book club is as cool as ours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the New York Reviewer of Books does that, but

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<v Speaker 2>because they're all a bunch of fucking East Coast elites,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't let anyone hear their asynchronous chanting. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>find the staff of the New York Review of Books

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet and harass them at their real homes

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<v Speaker 2>until they send you audio of their chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Or go on an epic journey to find the staff

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<v Speaker 1>of the Book of Reviews or whatever it was, which

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<v Speaker 1>is an ancient artifact and not a person's job. You

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of options. So, as you probably guessed,

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<v Speaker 1>because you all are creepily aware of the sounds of

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<v Speaker 1>our voices, I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest

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<v Speaker 1>today is Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 2>You'r gosh darn toutin rutin right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you all are ready because we're starting a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new actual book. Today is gonna be another four parter,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how he started this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, we're finally doing the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Abrahamick God reached out to you a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months ago saying, you know, I've got this thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I wrote that might fit for your book club.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I kind of hesitated a little, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's put in the hours at this point he

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<v Speaker 2>deserves a shot, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like kind of inconsistent in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of places, and some of it's downright means spirited, other

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<v Speaker 1>parts shine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think this guy, I think he's got like

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<v Speaker 2>a temper, right. I feel like, you know, when he's

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<v Speaker 2>his best self, there's some pretty good moments. But man,

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<v Speaker 2>he really needs to take a nap or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we shouldn't judge people based on the worst

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<v Speaker 1>things they've ever done consistently over the course of millennia.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, only on the best things. But no, today

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about our other god, Cory Doctorow, who probably

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to be considered a deity at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I think he might fuck up some money

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<v Speaker 2>changers in a temple if he got the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>He would absolutely. Corey doctor Row is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite science fiction authors and has been for a long time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I have yet to read a Cory Doctor book that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like, but there's a lot of them, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't read them all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have not read his entire Ouvra. I've read

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<v Speaker 2>at least a dozen of his books, including walk Away,

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<v Speaker 2>which I understand this is related to. Yeah, walk Away

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<v Speaker 2>is one of my favorite books that I've read in

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<v Speaker 2>the last ten years, like top three or four, probably

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in there, along with your new book, The Sapling Cage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you mean the one that actually kickstarts tomorrow at

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<v Speaker 1>one pm Eastern and if you look for it by Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>June tenth, you will be able to back it on Kickstarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the one that you're talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Margaret, to me, time is a flat circle. I

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<v Speaker 2>have come unstuck from time like Billy Pilgrim from another

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite books by Bonnagat, which was not

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<v Speaker 2>written in the last ten years, and thus I am

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<v Speaker 2>unable to account for when things are. But that does

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<v Speaker 2>sound accurate to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, it's not a lot I keep track of,

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<v Speaker 1>but I keep track of the fact that I just

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<v Speaker 1>got out of a meetum with my publisher to do

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<v Speaker 1>the last minute getting the Kickstarter stuff together, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited about it. But what I want to get people

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<v Speaker 1>excited about is a novella, which is clearly if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at what I've written, my favorite form of writing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically a real short novel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Party Discipline and it's by Cory Doctro.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>It was first published by Reactor, which was then called

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<v Speaker 1>tour dot Com in twenty seventeen on their website. This

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<v Speaker 1>is set in the same universe as walk Away. For

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who's listening. If you haven't, go read walk Away.

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<v Speaker 1>It's way longer than this this one short.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any background we need to give the listeners

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<v Speaker 2>so that this will make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>This one it stands on its own.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Party Discipline by Cory Doctor. I don't remember how we

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<v Speaker 1>decided exactly to throw Communist Party. It had been a

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<v Speaker 1>running joke all through senior year, whenever the obvious divisions

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<v Speaker 1>between the Semizadas and the rest of us came too

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<v Speaker 1>close to the surface of Burbank High have fun at Stanford,

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<v Speaker 1>Come drink with us at the Communist parties when you're

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<v Speaker 1>back on break. The semi Zadas were mostly white, with

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<v Speaker 1>some Asians not the brown kind for spice. The non

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<v Speaker 1>Zadas were brown and black. And we were on our

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<v Speaker 1>way out out of Burbank Hi and out of Burbank too.

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<v Speaker 1>Our parents had lucked into lottery tickets buying houses in

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<v Speaker 1>Burbank back when they were only ridiculously expensive. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>were crazy. We'd be the last generation of brown kids

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Burbank High because the instant we graduated,

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<v Speaker 1>our parents were going to sell and use the money

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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere cheaper, and the leftovers would let us.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take a couple of mid range MOOCs from a

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<v Speaker 1>big ten university to round out our community college distanced degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>It was nearly time for finals May, and it was hot,

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred degrees every day, and we were all

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<v Speaker 1>a little crazy. There were the Romeos and Juliets who

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<v Speaker 1>are feeling the impending tragedy of their inevitable breakup. The

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<v Speaker 1>kids who knew they weren't cut out for university or

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't afford it, had no clue what they would do next.

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<v Speaker 1>The ones who had kept their noses to their screens

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<v Speaker 1>for four years, busting their humps to get top marks

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<v Speaker 1>and were just now realizing that none of it mattered

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<v Speaker 1>for shit. And then there was me. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with my bestie Cherell at the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the portables, by the old basketball court, where there was

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<v Speaker 1>a gap in the CCTV coverage that the school filled

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<v Speaker 1>with intermittent drone flybys. It was where the vapor kids

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<v Speaker 1>hung out, But I wasn't one of them. Even decaf

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<v Speaker 1>crack wasn't my idea of a good time. I just

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<v Speaker 1>like to be a little off the grid, because your

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<v Speaker 1>business is your business.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My cousin got laid off. Cherrell's smart fingernails were infected

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<v Speaker 1>with ransomware, again, refusing to work on payment touch points

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<v Speaker 1>and blinking in seizure time. She was awkwardly trying to

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<v Speaker 1>patch them, pressing each one's hard reset while tapping her

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<v Speaker 1>phone to it. But it was a job that really

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<v Speaker 1>needed a third hand, and since I'd told her that

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<v Speaker 1>this was going to happen, I refused to help. She

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting against the portable wall with her knees drawn

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<v Speaker 1>up and her phone balanced on them. Mikhail no Antoine,

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<v Speaker 1>the sheet metal guy. It had been decades since Lockheed

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<v Speaker 1>Martin left Burbank, but there were plenty of remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>its glory days, including all the metal shops that had

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<v Speaker 1>supplied it. Antoine had worked at three or four of these,

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<v Speaker 1>hopping around as they got shut down. Then he'd got

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<v Speaker 1>a job in Encino that meant a long commute but

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be a steady check. And Robert Evans,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what you can do with your steady check?

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<v Speaker 2>Spend it on the thing that gives us a steady check,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever happens to be advertised for this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment, it's almost like a cyberpunk thing itself

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<v Speaker 1>that this is cut through that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like we live in a cyberpunk dystopia, except

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<v Speaker 2>for I cannot get a move by wire system installed

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<v Speaker 2>in my central nervous system or titanium bone lacings, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm livid about that. Not yet, not yet, not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure someone will do a terrible version that play

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<v Speaker 1>ads inside your skull.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I would much prefer the shadow run version where

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<v Speaker 2>we randomly turn into mythical creatures. But we also have

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<v Speaker 2>laser guns, so somebody make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is the best of both worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. I want to vote for a dragon

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<v Speaker 2>for president. We had so many presidents that are more

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<v Speaker 2>depressing than a dragon.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, at least it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like these ads, unless you skip them.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. That job seems too good to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out they had a five year tax holiday from

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<v Speaker 1>Encino and it ran out this year. If Antoine had

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<v Speaker 1>been smart enough to look it up, he'd have known

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<v Speaker 1>that they weren't going to last pass July. She got

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<v Speaker 1>one fingernail done, moved on to the next one. What's

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<v Speaker 1>happened to the factory? She got another fingernail done, then

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<v Speaker 1>dropped her phone. Fucky darn. I kicked it back to

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<v Speaker 1>her thanks. I think she wedged the phone again and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to reset her third nail. That they're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>up and out. That was when a company's tax incentives

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<v Speaker 1>ran out, and then the company ran out too, shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down an arm's length subsidiary through fast bankruptcy and leaving

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<v Speaker 1>its creditors. The people who worked there say to sort

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<v Speaker 1>out the sale of its assets. Up and outs made

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<v Speaker 1>sense because companies were hollow. They leased everything and contracted

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<v Speaker 1>everything out. The leasing companies didn't beef because they had

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<v Speaker 1>a sweet loophole they could take a write off on

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment that was based on the full replacement value,

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<v Speaker 1>despite having already taken depreciation and fees for the whole

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<v Speaker 1>time the plant had run. We'd done a CIVIX for

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<v Speaker 1>Business unit on it as part of the curriculum on

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<v Speaker 1>generally accepted accounting practices. Of course, the people who worked

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<v Speaker 1>there often found themselves shot out of luck when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to their last paycheck, and sometimes that least equipment

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<v Speaker 1>would walk out the door. In the days running up

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<v Speaker 1>to the out and up and out, I was hungry

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<v Speaker 1>like always. Mom didn't believe in SCOP and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to piss her off, so I wouldn't eat out

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<v Speaker 1>of the vending machines at school. But that meant if

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't remember throw an apple in my bag, my

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<v Speaker 1>stomach would growl all the way to lunch. Got anything

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<v Speaker 1>to eat. She finished the fifth nail in her left

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<v Speaker 1>hand and fished in her purse and passed me some

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<v Speaker 1>leptin gum, which was supposed to enhance satiety and help

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<v Speaker 1>people like Charelle stick to the diets they had no

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<v Speaker 1>need to be on in the first place. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like to chew it, but my stomach was rumbling. I

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<v Speaker 1>unwrapped a stick and chewed it. It tasted like caramelized

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<v Speaker 1>hemi proteins, which is to say, cooked blood in a

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<v Speaker 1>good way, like a burger. Thanks to the transgenic yea

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<v Speaker 1>it was cultured with. My stomach stopped making noise. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it worked. Maybe it was the placebo effect. You sure

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Up and out? I tried not to sound

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<v Speaker 1>too interested. Cherrelle had a severe case of risk aversion.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl her side, I could have cut a thousand yards,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had been immune to it since ninth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, Charelle, just asking. It's a daydream. Communist parties

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<v Speaker 1>were one of my favorite daydreams to dream me and

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<v Speaker 1>my revolutionary comrades, and are funny Karl mark S beards,

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<v Speaker 1>liberating a whole factory under the noses of cops in

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<v Speaker 1>the town, running all those machines, and giving away free

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<v Speaker 1>shit until the feedstock ran out. My dream parties didn't

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<v Speaker 1>usually take place at a sheet metal factory. I liked

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of taking over a scop factory where they

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<v Speaker 1>made burgers or candy or ice cream, because then I

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<v Speaker 1>would be the person who gave everyone free candy or burgers.

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<v Speaker 1>Or ice cream, but I take sheet metal. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing going. I could learn my skills there.

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<v Speaker 1>And also Mama wouldn't kill me for the scop thing

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<v Speaker 1>if she found out. Damned health food crazies, Linney. She

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like her own mama when she warned, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't scared of her mama. I was scared of my mama,

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<v Speaker 1>and her mama sounded nothing like mine. Really, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>basis of our lasting friendship was my immunity to all

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<v Speaker 1>her secret weapons, which would otherwise burn you down in

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<v Speaker 1>your shoes the first time she spatted with you, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a daydream like. Saying it twice would make it more believable.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna ask someone else if I don't tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't you? I didn't deign to answer. I'll hold your

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<v Speaker 1>phone while you do your other hand. She tried the

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<v Speaker 1>side eye again, then she put it away and patted

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<v Speaker 1>the ground next to her. Hold my phone, then go on.

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<v Speaker 1>Once she'd done her right thumb, she said, it'sn't up

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<v Speaker 1>and out. Yeah, And a lot of the workers there

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<v Speaker 1>aren't happy about it. Wages have been really delayed lately.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of people owed a lot of back pay, especially

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<v Speaker 1>people who are out on sick pay. People got injured

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<v Speaker 1>on the job, can't go down to the payroll office

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<v Speaker 1>in person. O, there's talk talk. She shook her head.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to make me spell it out talk. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to run some shifts after the place shuts down,

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<v Speaker 1>sell things out the back door. Whatever they can make

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<v Speaker 1>back the money. They know they're going to be burned for.

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<v Speaker 1>In case you don't understand, Missy, that means no communist parties.

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<v Speaker 1>I sighed and moved her phone to the last finger.

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<v Speaker 1>No party, then, nope, forget a girl. Concentrate on graduating.

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<v Speaker 1>B students don't get scholarships. This was a running joke

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<v Speaker 1>between us, because A students didn't get scholarships either. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they did, but at a rate you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>be nuts to count on, like basing your life plan

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<v Speaker 1>on winning the lottery every ten years. Because there were

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<v Speaker 1>way way more kids with brokeass parents and sharp minds

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<v Speaker 1>than there were spaces left behind by the dullards who

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<v Speaker 1>made it into the university on quote merit and by

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<v Speaker 1>taking the quote no assistance required box on their applications.

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<v Speaker 1>I was an a student anyway. She called me that

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<v Speaker 1>night after mama's lights out, no phones, blackout time. My

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<v Speaker 1>little sister Tisha stared at me from her bed when

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<v Speaker 1>I took the call and mouthed, I'm telling I rolled

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes at her. She wouldn't tell. Titia was still

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<v Speaker 1>developing her low cunning, and there was plenty of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>i'd caught her in that she didn't want me blabbing

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<v Speaker 1>to mama. In retaliation, it's late, I whispered, your mama's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Cherrell's mama was strict too, but not about bedtimes. She

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<v Speaker 1>was an insomniac, and so were her kids, and she

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<v Speaker 1>taught them her coping skills of doing all their homework, showering,

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<v Speaker 1>laying out their clothes, and packing their lunches at two

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<v Speaker 1>am so they could rise twenty minutes before first bell,

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<v Speaker 1>pee and wash their faces and be on campus with

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<v Speaker 1>seconds to spare. You call me up after curfew to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that. Send a text next time Antoine called us,

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<v Speaker 1>all thought you'd want to know. I almost said, who's Antoine?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I remembered her cousin, the sheet metal worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you want to know what he said? Don't play game, Cherill.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to wake up my Mama Tisha staring

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<v Speaker 1>at me like she caught me strangling a cat too. Hi, Tisha.

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.439
<v Speaker 1>It was loud enough that Tisha heard it through the earpiece.

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<v Speaker 1>I winced high, Cherrelle, she mouthed and grinned. She says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Now what is it? Cherrell? Antoine called you said that.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, the reason the plant is shutting down so

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<v Speaker 1>fast isn't just about the tax credits. He said, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a wobbley in the shop, someone trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>everyone to sign a union card. Union organizing was a

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<v Speaker 1>fireable offense, had been since I was a little girl,

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<v Speaker 1>but that didn't mean it didn't happen, and if enough

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<v Speaker 1>of the workers signed a card, the factory wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to stop paying taxes until the California Labor Board

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<v Speaker 1>had completed its investigation. Antoine says the other workers are

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<v Speaker 1>pissed at the wobbley, not stupid at the bosses. Antoine

0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.520
<v Speaker 1>says that before all this, most of the employees didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really give a damn about the wobbley in her nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's got everyone thinking, got them thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>making an example of the plant. They get away with

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<v Speaker 1>this next time, they'll be even worse, hold up, get

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<v Speaker 1>away with what? Just listen okay. I realized she was excited,

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<v Speaker 1>really excited. The wobbly got deported born in America on

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<v Speaker 1>everything they sent her to Guatemala. Said her parents were

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<v Speaker 1>undocumented when she was born here, so that makes her

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<v Speaker 1>an anchor baby. Everybody is pissed, Like I said, they

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<v Speaker 1>know it's just bullshit, an excuse to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>her because she'd come sniffing around the shop. Antoine says

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<v Speaker 1>none of them gave a damn when she was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about helping them, but when she got deported for trying

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<v Speaker 1>out comes all this corny talk about it being on

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<v Speaker 1>American to shut her down. They're gonna let us have

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<v Speaker 1>a communist party. She made a sound between a squeal

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<v Speaker 1>and a cheer, and Tisha's eyes got wild. I cut

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<v Speaker 1>her my sternest look so she didn't jump right out

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<v Speaker 1>of the bed and tell Mama when she just heard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized with a sinking feeling, that I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to get my little sister involved. If

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't wanted to wrap me out, Mama would kill me.

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<v Speaker 1>The gravity of it fell down on top of me.

0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.400
<v Speaker 1>It was one thing to daydream about this another to planet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have to do a lot of googling. He's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those darknet googles that I can't even remember how

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<v Speaker 1>to reach, So that meant i'd have to get one

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<v Speaker 1>of those brainiac nerds at school to explain it again,

0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.960
<v Speaker 1>which meant they'd know I was looking up something forbidden,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that I'd be even more exposed. And you

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<v Speaker 1>aren't even listening to me, are you? Line uh nu

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<v Speaker 1>huh no, Sorry, chill just thinking it through. Damn are

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<v Speaker 1>we really gonna we are? You don't get us caught first.

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<v Speaker 1>Antoine met us at the Froyo place off San Fernando,

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<v Speaker 1>the sketchy part near the dead Ikea that had been

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<v Speaker 1>all cut up for little market stalls that were mostly empty.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't seen him since we've been freshman and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been a senior, and in the years since, he'd got

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<v Speaker 1>strangely grayish, his skin sagging off his face and his

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<v Speaker 1>hair shot with white, like he was an old man.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked like he hadn't been sleeping much either. He

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<v Speaker 1>made a sign at us, a thing with his hands

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<v Speaker 1>like the kids had done to pass messages around the

0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.159
<v Speaker 1>classroom back when we'd been kids. It took me a

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<v Speaker 1>second to remember that this one meant phones down, school

0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.119
<v Speaker 1>cops coming. I couldn't figure out what that was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to mean. But Charrell got it and reached into a

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<v Speaker 1>purse and shut her phone down. Now I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did the same. We'd both been infected before, of course,

0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.440
<v Speaker 1>drive by bad wear. That let some creepy Rando spy

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<v Speaker 1>on us through our phones. But then we got more careful.

0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>But he wasn't worried about Rando spying through our phone.

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<v Speaker 1>He was worried about cops. You think Burbank PD is

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<v Speaker 1>going to bother with you? I wanted to ask, but

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<v Speaker 1>the fact was maybe they would. Why not, once they

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<v Speaker 1>bought that kind of thing, why wouldn't they want to

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<v Speaker 1>use it every chance they got? I probably would. Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked us up and down, not like a perf,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a grown up judging a little kid. You

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<v Speaker 1>two are so young. I don't know if this was

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<v Speaker 1>such a good idea. Schreelle gave him an up and

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<v Speaker 1>down of her own. Antwine, we're only five years younger

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<v Speaker 1>than you. Fool smart too. Besides, it was Linai's idea,

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<v Speaker 1>not yours. That was news to me far as I

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<v Speaker 1>knew he'd had the idea told Cherrell and she'd said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Linaise said the same thing. But the way he shook

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<v Speaker 1>his head, I knew it was true. He'd got the

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<v Speaker 1>idea from me. That made me feel pretty badass. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>the truth. Okay, okay, your mama will kill me though

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<v Speaker 1>a twine. Okay, there's he lowered his voice. Forty five

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<v Speaker 1>of us and one guy. He says he spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>a wobbly and they're pissed about what happened to that girl,

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<v Speaker 1>and they say they'll help. We got all skills in hands.

0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.399
<v Speaker 1>We need to get it running, but we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how we get the word out without getting popped. Who

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to reach? I've been wondering about this myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know much about sheet metal except it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, metal that came in sheets. What would you

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<v Speaker 1>do with a bunch of that stuff around the house.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know either. Antoine looked anxious, more anxious. He

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.600
<v Speaker 1>dry washed those big knuckled hands. We can make just

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<v Speaker 1>about anything we got a file for, and there's plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of files out there. You want a fireplace around or

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<v Speaker 1>a new truck, bumper. We got you covered. Don't know

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.119
<v Speaker 1>many people who need a truck bumper, Chrell said, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Antoine gave her a shut up look that was brotherly,

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<v Speaker 1>reminding me that they'd been close since they were little.

0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.399
<v Speaker 1>There's all kinds of toys we can make, too, little

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<v Speaker 1>cars and shit. He looked at us, like, you think

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<v Speaker 1>that'll do it. I don't think we're going to strike

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<v Speaker 1>terror into the hearts of the investor class by giving

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<v Speaker 1>away little cars. Antoine, sorry, because that was the point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>give us all part, give them sorrows. I hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>thought about where sheet metal fit into that framework. He

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<v Speaker 1>shook his head. He knew it too. What were you

0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.719
<v Speaker 1>making Uber parts? He shrugged. Mostly for the vans, you know.

0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.520
<v Speaker 1>La Metro had been using the vans for most of

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<v Speaker 1>my life, though I could still remember when there had

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<v Speaker 1>been city buses before the contract went out to Uber.

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<v Speaker 1>The vans were boxing and indestructible, covered in some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of slippery treatment that you couldn't write on or mark,

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.439
<v Speaker 1>which gave off a funky musty smell, like old socks

0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.960
<v Speaker 1>when the sun baked it. But you know what won't

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<v Speaker 1>give off a funky musty smell Robert.

0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.360
<v Speaker 2>While the Washington State Highway Patrol might that's true. Some

0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.399
<v Speaker 2>complaints have been made, but yeah, nothing else, no one

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<v Speaker 2>else who advertises for us.

0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 1>We apply special cool zone media covering that anti bad smell.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've been told that the Chumba casino people have

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<v Speaker 2>excellent hygie.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm always too afraid to name them by name,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is stuck in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no reason to doubt the Chumba Casino people

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<v Speaker 2>on this, Margaret.

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<v Speaker 1>No, isn't it?

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:48.399
<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I would never tested them.

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<v Speaker 2>As a general rule, casinos are known for being incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>good at not having you smell things that are unpleasant.

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.720
<v Speaker 2>That's why you can chain smoke indoors in Vegas.

0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are known as plaices of hygiene.

0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Palaces of hygiene, and incredibly expensive air filtration systems.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's an ad for probably that, And Rebecca, I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the people mill around the Hawker's stalls, smelling the

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<v Speaker 1>Korean tacos and the papoosas cooking, and wondering whether any

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<v Speaker 1>of it was real food instead of scop. I'd skip

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast that morning, and I was hungry. The food was

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<v Speaker 1>probably scop, judging from the clientele, who were mostly homeless,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mama wouldn't approve, so I didn't eat, even though

0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:50.040
<v Speaker 1>my stomach growled. According to my science teachers, single celled

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<v Speaker 1>organic protein was safe and healthy. According to Mama, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a large scale experiment in feeding mutated bacteria to humans.

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<v Speaker 1>Mama liked to point out that rich people didn't need stop.

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 1>They didn't drink coffee m either, but that never stopped Mama.

0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>She also had a lapel pin that read, a foolish

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.959
<v Speaker 1>consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Mama is one

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<v Speaker 1>of a kind. The homeless were accompanied by their inevitable companions,

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<v Speaker 1>be lovingly tended rusting ancient shopping carts. It had been

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<v Speaker 1>years since it was possible to remove a shopping cart

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<v Speaker 1>from a grocery store without being caught, but the number

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<v Speaker 1>of people who used the carts as home locker and

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<v Speaker 1>pack mule had only grown in the years since, creating

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<v Speaker 1>fierce competition for the old dumb carts. These ones looked

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<v Speaker 1>particularly raggy. Antoine and Cherrell had kept talking while I

0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 1>stared at the carts, but eventually they followed my stare.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at them, and they looked back at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Those would be easy. Antoine sounded dismissive, so Cherrell said,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to make something hard or something useful. I

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<v Speaker 1>put my hand on his shoulder. Antoine, you make those,

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be making something that everyone will see every day

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years to come. His eyes glinted, Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked at the sky for a minute. I bet

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of ways we can improve him too.

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Bet there's designs for better ones like crazy too, from

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<v Speaker 1>the refugee camps.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him in a news clip or something that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>He grinned, and he was as handsome as he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a freshman and he was the captain

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<v Speaker 1>of the senior swim team. I told myself that the

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<v Speaker 1>flip flops in my stomach were hunger, not crushing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was only five minutes before final bell when the school

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<v Speaker 1>went on lockdown. We all groaned as our homeroom teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Pizitken, sprinted to the classroom door and swung down

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<v Speaker 1>the bar, slapping the button that pulled oar eyed the

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<v Speaker 1>classroom windows, including the little one in the door itself,

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<v Speaker 1>plunging the room into darkness. The groan made Pizitken glare

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<v Speaker 1>at us with his finger on his lips. Rule one

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<v Speaker 1>in lockdowns, no words, rule too. Silently build a shelter

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<v Speaker 1>of bullet absorbing furniture, and then hunker down. Nearly everything

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<v Speaker 1>in the classroom was made of waxed cardboard and wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about to stop any artillery, not even crossbows. Yeah, some

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<v Speaker 1>fools actually went on school shootings armed with crossbows. But

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<v Speaker 1>the room had once been a science lab and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a big work bench running the length of the

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<v Speaker 1>wall made of steel and concrete, with long plugged hookups

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<v Speaker 1>or burners along its length. Previous lockdown drills had established

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<v Speaker 1>that this was our designated shelter, so we shuffled behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that we weren't worried about getting shot, but

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<v Speaker 1>we also knew that lockdowns were nine times out of

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<v Speaker 1>ten hoaxes. Some fool center texts said gonna be at

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<v Speaker 1>school later, and it got auto corrected to guns be

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<v Speaker 1>at school later, and that tripped burbank SWAT's paranoid fusion

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<v Speaker 1>Center security AI. Then we all had to hide behind

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<v Speaker 1>the lab bench for half an hour while the toy

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<v Speaker 1>soldier squad did a sweep of the school, we hunkered

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<v Speaker 1>down and texted each other. The school deactivated its network

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<v Speaker 1>filters during lockdown so we could text status updates to

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<v Speaker 1>the cops or our last words to our loved ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and made dumb jokes. Our messages were interrupted every thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds by reminders to stay silent and vigilant broadcast on

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<v Speaker 1>the school's administrative emergency channel by the school Safety Office.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, there were the actual status updates,

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<v Speaker 1>officers en route, officers on site, North Wing sweep complete,

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<v Speaker 1>South Wing sweep, complete, portables sweep complete. More of this,

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<v Speaker 1>then all clear, All clear, All clear, followed by an

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<v Speaker 1>announcement out of every phone speaker in the room. Only

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<v Speaker 1>phones that ran the school Safety app would work on

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<v Speaker 1>school property, so we all ran it, But dang, it

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<v Speaker 1>was some creepy shit. I left the classroom thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>my homework and whether I was supposed to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>Tishae from band practice. And I was so lost in

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<v Speaker 1>my thoughts that I didn't noticed the guy in the

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<v Speaker 1>suit until he put a hand on my shoulder as

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<v Speaker 1>I was heading for my locker. Linney Walker just the

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<v Speaker 1>way he said it gave him away as a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt my heart rate triple yes, please come with me.

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<v Speaker 1>He steered me to the administrative office. The secretary on

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<v Speaker 1>the front desk pointedly didn't stare at me as he

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<v Speaker 1>led me into one of the VP's offices. The first

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<v Speaker 1>thing I noticed was my backpack on the desk, surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by its contents, and next to it Charrell's bag and

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<v Speaker 1>its contents too. That was when I noticed Cherrelle sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on a low sofa. The cop indicated the spot next

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<v Speaker 1>to her with a tilt of his head, and I sat.

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<v Speaker 1>The late afternoon sun slanting through the window caught the

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<v Speaker 1>huge fart of dusty air that escaped from its cushions.

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<v Speaker 1>When I settled in, Charrell coughed a little and caught

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<v Speaker 1>my eye. She looked scared, really scared. Which seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a good place for a cliffhanger, and therefore the place

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<v Speaker 1>that it ends this week. Yay. I think it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>how this was written in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that just from the actual pros.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's also like a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff about the expansion of homelessness, like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the like shopping carts have turned into these ancestral items

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<v Speaker 2>as the number of people in the streets have expanded,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the kind of acceleration of mass shooting

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<v Speaker 2>culture and the responses to it, particularly the bit about

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<v Speaker 2>a kid accidentally tripping the local pds AI scanning thing

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever by accidentally tweeting something that sounds like gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess all of that is stuff that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in twenty seventeen, if you're looking ahead, I

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<v Speaker 2>can see how Corey you know, kind of picked that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff out in a way that feels kind of prophetic.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah. And then also the person who gets

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<v Speaker 1>deported for labor or organizing, you know, as like an

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<v Speaker 1>anchor baby or whatever is like, I mean, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing that I mean, the right wing has

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<v Speaker 1>been on about for a long time, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean it happened in the twenties, right, Like you had

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<v Speaker 2>like wobbly as and anarchists who were like various kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, organizers get deported under some of the

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<v Speaker 2>laws at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then also just like specifically that like the

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<v Speaker 1>anchor baby thing, the you know, guaranteed US citizenship to

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<v Speaker 1>people born here is a thing that the right wing

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<v Speaker 1>is always howling and yelling about how they want to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of and I hope that one doesn't come

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<v Speaker 1>out true. I hope none of this comes out true

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<v Speaker 1>except people throwing communist parties where they get weird three

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<v Speaker 1>D printers on factory level to pronount free things for people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I guess I would prefer kids with

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<v Speaker 2>crossbows to kids with ar fifteens, but not because either

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<v Speaker 2>is good. It's just one of them is going to

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<v Speaker 2>kill fewer people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I wonder whether that's like a you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what they had access to. People will do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>or I wonder if at this implication that the way

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<v Speaker 1>that school shooters develop as like such a meme. Now

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<v Speaker 1>some people are just trying, like clever ways to go

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<v Speaker 1>be the worst kind of person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think there's probably a point there about how like,

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<v Speaker 2>if somehow, in some inconceivable way, we got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>all of the guns tomorrow, mass shootings like attacks like

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<v Speaker 2>that are still such a part of the culture that

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<v Speaker 2>people would find ways to carry them out. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they would. Yeah, Basically, anything I can imagine

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<v Speaker 2>is less deadly than what we currently have. But now

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a part of the culture, people would carry

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<v Speaker 2>out kinds of attacks with shit like crossbows that like,

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<v Speaker 2>if this hadn't developed into a meme the way it would,

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<v Speaker 2>they probably never would have started doing because this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>uniquely America. You know, Serbia's had a recent spate of

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<v Speaker 2>mass shootings, But like Serbia's mass shooting, I think every

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<v Speaker 2>country's mass shootings really are at this point patterned on

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<v Speaker 2>the way they work in America. So we don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to go into too much of a aggression on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, American exceptionalism. We're number one. We're number one about this.

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<v Speaker 1>No one else is really in the running. Well, next

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<v Speaker 1>week we're going to find out not the conclusion, but

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<v Speaker 1>part two of four of Party Discipline by Cory Doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what else, Corey Doctro wrote, He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a really sweet blurb for my book.

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<v Speaker 2>He did.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote a book called The Sapling Cage that we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about beginning and Monday, June tenth, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>It is available for pre order through Kickstarter. Comes out

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<v Speaker 1>in September, although one of the backer tiers is actually

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get sent a copy early because there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>advanced reader copies left over. But what Corey Doctor wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about my book, The Sapling Cage is a cracking, first rate,

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<v Speaker 1>epic coming of fantasy novel where the crisis of gender

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<v Speaker 1>identity only heightens the stakes and suspense of a propulsive,

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<v Speaker 1>page turning tale. A nice blurb just to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how writing is this weird thing of networking. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>know Corey Doctro and we met when he taught at

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<v Speaker 1>the Clarion West Writer's Workshop in Seattle that I went

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<v Speaker 1>to in twenty fifteen, And at that I had a

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<v Speaker 1>long conversation with him about my writing. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a couple of books out, but I was like

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of just finding my feet, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>a writer. One of the things that I really like

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<v Speaker 1>is he talked about how with science fiction and fantasy,

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<v Speaker 1>authors pride themselves on making sure that there's this plot,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this like engine that drives the story forward, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk about any ideas you want, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you attach it to plot, you're able to like keep

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<v Speaker 1>the reader engaged. In a way that has really stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with me and made me think about how I write.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's one of the reasons I like how Corey

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<v Speaker 1>writes so much. Right Like this story is about some

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<v Speaker 1>teens who want to get into some trouble, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also is like, here's the way that factories fuck over

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<v Speaker 1>poor communities, you know. Anyway, anyway, so y'all next week.

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