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Speaker 1: thear of our lawd twenty twenty one. Bout a decade

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Speaker 1: from now, you'll look in your journal and it'll say,

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Speaker 1: dear Journey. Today College Football volunteerily steered itself right into

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Speaker 1: an iceberg and it didn't even realize. Don't worry. We've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of things to talk about tonight. There's

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Speaker 1: going to be some playoff, but there's going to be

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Speaker 1: about eighty percent of the show that is void of

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Speaker 1: playoff talk, because my theory is if you want it,

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Speaker 1: you can get it in like forty seven different places today.

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Speaker 1: But yes, true enough, we do have some things to

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Speaker 1: say about that, but also transfer a portal that stuff

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Speaker 1: that you guys have really cared about. You've been talking

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Speaker 1: some positives, but I think there are some negatives, and

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Speaker 1: there are some visible negatives, but then there are also

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Speaker 1: some things that may be a little bit beneath the surface.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna touch on some of those tonight. Also, the

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Speaker 1: Will must Champ email chain. He's been gone for a while,

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Speaker 1: so you may wonder what does Will Muschamp have to

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Speaker 1: do with tonight's show, well, nothing in and of himself,

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Speaker 1: but this week the State just kind of a newspaper

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Speaker 1: website in South Carolina got a a FOYA request finally granted,

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Speaker 1: and they got a lot of the emails, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the internals from Ray Tanner. The ad there and

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Speaker 1: what was going on via email at least behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes in the week leading up to his firing offers

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Speaker 1: a fascinating little glimpse, just a little peak for you

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Speaker 1: and I behind the curtain. But it also ties into

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Speaker 1: a much larger theme that you and I have talked

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Speaker 1: really chips away at the facade or facade as some

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Speaker 1: people would say. I'm not gonna mention names about how

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Speaker 1: thorough and how you know what, I'm gonna save. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna save the verbiage for a woman get to it.

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Speaker 1: But it's just it's fascinating. Let me call right quick,

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Speaker 1: who took a second and compiled some player development numbers today.

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Speaker 1: Baman Clemson, I don't think this is a shock to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Lead the way, there are just as many programs on

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Speaker 1: the other side, programs that have every major advantage or

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Speaker 1: should have every major advantage in the sport, and yet

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Speaker 1: they have squandered it. A lot of you would say, well,

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Speaker 1: the playoffs the problem. The structure of the postseason is

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Speaker 1: not the problem. The structure of athletic departments around here

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Speaker 1: may be the problem. But nevertheless, we'll dive into that.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to thank you because we're passing milestone

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Speaker 1: after milestone numerically. Some of them you can see, some

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Speaker 1: of them you can't, So I just ask you keep

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Speaker 1: them going. For instance, if you're watching the video right now,

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Speaker 1: at late kick. Josh, all right, let's dive into the show. Like,

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Speaker 1: like I said, we're going to talk about some playoff,

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Speaker 1: So what is the most responsible way for me to

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Speaker 1: dive in. Colin, you've seen the movie Volcano. I've seen

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Speaker 1: the movie Volcano. I was an hash and Volcano. Today

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there minding my own business. It's about noon,

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Speaker 1: scrolling through the eye Josh, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: there it is. There's the news. We got a college

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Speaker 1: Here the details. Well we'll go through the details together

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Speaker 1: in just a second. But what does Anna Hayesh have

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Speaker 1: She was the geologist, she knew what was up. And

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Speaker 1: You still got an active volcano. It's just got a

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Speaker 1: huge problem in college football. Nothing got solved today when

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Speaker 1: nothing's getting solved. You got one solution, and for every

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's coming to save college football, but

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Speaker 1: the season. But I digress. So the College Football Playoff

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Speaker 1: in other words, we're going to make more money. I

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Speaker 1: we have gone about this many times. It's why I'm

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Speaker 1: offer or a G five offer. Those kids would have

429
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Speaker 1: gotten those offers are now bumped down to maybe even

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Speaker 1: not having a spot and having to walk on or

431
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Speaker 1: getting a JUCO spot, and then their goal becomes to

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Speaker 1: get in college play a couple of years at the

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Speaker 1: FCS level and then I'm headed to the Power five level. Now,

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Speaker 1: no one's onder the misguided notion that that didn't already

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Speaker 1: exist to a certain extent. But be real, now, if

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Speaker 1: you're an FCS coach, what percentage of your roster were

437
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Speaker 1: you scared of losing every year? And then double it

438
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Speaker 1: or triple it? And that's going to be the new reality.

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Speaker 1: There is nobody of sound mind at least that says

440
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Speaker 1: this is a good thing for the sport of football.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the solution is, I mean, aside

442
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Speaker 1: from somebody has a Kumbaya come to Jesus moment tomorrow

443
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Speaker 1: and we arrive at a reasonable, acceptable conclusion on how

444
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Speaker 1: to handle the scholarship crisis in college football right now.

445
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Speaker 1: Until someone addresses that at transfer portal, it's got a

446
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Speaker 1: lot of unintended negative consequences that are starting to be felt,

447
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Speaker 1: and it's like a ripple effect. It's only going to

448
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Speaker 1: get bigger and broader. Let's dive into some emails, shall we.

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Speaker 1: This is really fun it makes me feel like I'm

450
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Speaker 1: running meet the press. Okay, it's like a year late. Though.

451
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Speaker 1: The Ray Tanner emails were finally provided via Freedom of

452
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Speaker 1: Information Act to the State dot Com this week in

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Speaker 1: case you missed it, I don't just assume that everyone's

454
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Speaker 1: world has been revolving around a Freedom of Information Act

455
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Speaker 1: in Columbia, South Carolina. So the State dot Com if

456
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Speaker 1: you want to read it's a multi part series. If

457
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Speaker 1: you want to read these yourself, it's on their website.

458
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Speaker 1: Ray Tanner's emails. He's the athletic director at South Carolina

459
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Speaker 1: when the whole must Champ saga was going on last fall.

460
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Speaker 1: Of course, as is usually the case, a Foyer request

461
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Speaker 1: got filed, and as is usually the case, the entity

462
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Speaker 1: this case South Carolina drug their feet for as long

463
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Speaker 1: as they could and then they finally released them like

464
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Speaker 1: this week or last week. There is no major bombshell here,

465
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Speaker 1: but there are several fascinating nuggets. Some apply to Carolina

466
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Speaker 1: and some are much broader than Carolina. The quick timeline

467
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Speaker 1: just to refreshify your memory, because we were kind of

468
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Speaker 1: following this pretty closely on the show at the time.

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Speaker 1: November seventh, South Carolina loses to Texas A and M

470
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Speaker 1: forty eight to three, and the heat is turned up

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Speaker 1: to ten on Will must Champ. Now, if you'll remember,

472
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Speaker 1: the following Monday, must Champ steps to the podium for

473
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Speaker 1: his normal Monday press conference and the assembled media there

474
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Speaker 1: they ask him, what do you think about your job

475
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Speaker 1: security right now? Have you talked to Ray Tanner? What's

476
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Speaker 1: the deal? What's going on? And Will must Champ said

477
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Speaker 1: he feels totally confident. He meets with Ray Tanner every week.

478
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Speaker 1: They frequently talk about the status of the football program.

479
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Speaker 1: And he was asked directly, are you worried? And he

480
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Speaker 1: directly said no. Six days later, he was fired following

481
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Speaker 1: a fifty nine to forty two loss the following Saturday

482
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Speaker 1: at Ole, Miss So, November sixteenth, Will mush Champ is fired. Now,

483
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Speaker 1: I want you to remember the day November tenth, So

484
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Speaker 1: we back up six days. That's the day that mush

485
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Speaker 1: Champ has the press conference. That's the day that he says, no,

486
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Speaker 1: I'm not worried at all. We had pretty good intel

487
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Speaker 1: on this, Okay, we had a couple of people really

488
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Speaker 1: plugged in, so I mean we were right on this.

489
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Speaker 1: I remember being pretty proud of the way we handle this,

490
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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. So November tenth, why is

491
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Speaker 1: that important? Well, it turns out that about the time

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Speaker 1: Will musk Champ was talking to the assembled media and

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Speaker 1: telling them, no, I'm not worried. Charles Bloom, who's sort

494
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Speaker 1: of the chief of staff there for Ray Tanner, he

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Speaker 1: emailed Ray Tanner a list and he I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: actually from the piece, it says. On the same day,

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Speaker 1: just a few hours later, Tanner received an email from

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Speaker 1: his chief of staff executive associate A. D. Charles Bloom.

499
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Speaker 1: Its subject line was coaches to screet and the body

500
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Speaker 1: of the email was a list of ten coaches and

501
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Speaker 1: coordinators in college football and their salaries. So which names

502
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Speaker 1: were on this list? I think when you see the

503
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Speaker 1: list we're about to show you, I'm going to read

504
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Speaker 1: it to you too. When you see this list, all

505
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, it'll make sense what leaked and when

506
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Speaker 1: it leaked, and which names were leaking. Tell me if

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Speaker 1: you've heard these names before. Brian Harson, he was at

508
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Speaker 1: Boise State at the time. Now he's at Auburn. Billy

509
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Speaker 1: Napier still at Louisiana. Mario Christabaul still at Oregon. Hugh Freese.

510
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Speaker 1: You know we heard of Hugh Freese. The big talking

511
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Speaker 1: point was is he a non starter or is he

512
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Speaker 1: a potential candidate? Well, he's on the list. Alabama offensive

513
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Speaker 1: coordinator Steve Sarkizan. What happened to him? Wan Oh? He's

514
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Speaker 1: head coach Texas now. Kendall Briles is the OC at Arkansas.

515
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Speaker 1: Luke Fickle head coach of Cincinnati, Jamie Chadwell Coastal Carolina,

516
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Speaker 1: Skip Holtz down at Louisiana Tech. Sunny Dyke's at SMU.

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Speaker 1: And as you listen to that list of coaches, as

518
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Speaker 1: I said, did it sound familiar? Did those names sound familiar? Now?

519
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Speaker 1: Of course the answer is yes, because I kid you not.

520
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Speaker 1: I have vivid memories of, at one point or another,

521
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Speaker 1: seeing every one of these names in either an article

522
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Speaker 1: citing an anonymous source, or a tweet about what someone

523
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Speaker 1: close to the situation was hearing, or a message board

524
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Speaker 1: post from a pretty informed and plugged in poster. It

525
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Speaker 1: just goes to show you, once you get a little

526
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Speaker 1: peak behind the curtain, it shows you how names start

527
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Speaker 1: to leak out. In other words, it's not always an

528
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Speaker 1: agent leaking his candidate's name out in order to get

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Speaker 1: him a raise. Sometimes it is, but sometimes the executive

530
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Speaker 1: Associate AD has sent an email and people find out

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Speaker 1: about the list of names and it gets leaked. But

532
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Speaker 1: here's the key, OKCU. I want to read you another

533
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Speaker 1: part from this in just a second, and I'm going

534
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Speaker 1: to extend independent of the South Carolina search now because

535
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Speaker 1: I want you to really understand what's going on behind

536
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Speaker 1: the scenes in a coaching search and the illusion that

537
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Speaker 1: I used to be under and maybe you're under still.

538
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but there is a misguided notion. I

539
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Speaker 1: had it for a long time until I got to

540
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Speaker 1: cheat and look behind the scenes a little bit. There

541
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Speaker 1: is a misguided notion that these coaching searches are well

542
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: oiled machines, and a lot of times they are anything.

543
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Speaker 1: But now again, I want to stress I'm not dunking

544
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Speaker 1: on South Carolina. Right now, I'm going to read you

545
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Speaker 1: a couple of more examples that sort of underline what

546
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: the process actually entails more times than not, a couple

547
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Speaker 1: of more excerpts from the piece from the State dot Com,

548
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Speaker 1: in this case, Bloom, Charles Bloom. The aforementioned Charles Bloom

549
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Speaker 1: told us He researched names he had seen on social

550
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Speaker 1: media or in mainstream media that had been floated as

551
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Speaker 1: hot names in college football, and he passed the information

552
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Speaker 1: along to Tanner. Now, it should be noted that's literally

553
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Speaker 1: all he did. He went on to say, I would

554
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Speaker 1: do this, This is standard practice. That list didn't mean anything.

555
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Speaker 1: It wasn't something that had been put together by several

556
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Speaker 1: powerbrokers that be. It was just a list, and I

557
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Speaker 1: just sent it on to him for whatever reason. Here's

558
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Speaker 1: another portion of this exert. The Saturday morning of the

559
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Speaker 1: Old Miss game. This is the last game must champ coaches.

560
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Speaker 1: As it turns out, Ray Tanner receives an email from

561
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Speaker 1: Eugene War, board member since three. Former chairman. War's email

562
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: simply contained a link to an article from the University

563
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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma student newspaper profiling assistant coach Shane Biemer. Now

564
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stress for the third time. The statements I'm

565
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Speaker 1: about to make are not specific to South Carolina. For

566
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: all I know, they nailed their head coaching search. But

567
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: I want to draw you back to the point I

568
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Speaker 1: was making. College football isn't a big mess right now. Today,

569
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Speaker 1: A lot of people think they took a giant step

570
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Speaker 1: towards solving that problem by expanding the playoff. The problem

571
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Speaker 1: is not attached to the postseason of college football. The

572
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Speaker 1: problem is attached to the decision making apparatus in many

573
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Speaker 1: athletic departments. In college football, you've got a huge issue

574
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Speaker 1: in that you've got people making critical hiring decisions that

575
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: are so ill equipped and misinformed on what it takes

576
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Speaker 1: to win, and things like, oh, I don't know a

577
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Speaker 1: student newspaper article or what's hot on social media. You

578
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Speaker 1: think I'm joking with you, I'm telling you more times

579
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Speaker 1: than not. That stuff is fat into the decision making process,

580
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: when in reality, any coaching search worth its salt is

581
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: totally closed off to what is trending in hashtags on

582
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Speaker 1: social platforms or what any kind of newspaper is writing.

583
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Speaker 1: If the people on Twitter and the people writing the

584
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Speaker 1: columns were good enough, that'd be run in the athletic department.

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Speaker 1: They're not. That's why they're covering you. You're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be working and operating at a little bit higher intellectual

587
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Speaker 1: or acumen level, or at least you're supposed to be

588
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Speaker 1: surrounded by people who do that. But that's not the case,

589
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Speaker 1: and so you get the hires wrong, and then you

590
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Speaker 1: dig holes that you can't get out of because you

591
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: got enough Alabama's and Ohio states in the world that

592
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: are freight trains well one hundred cars going the same direction,

593
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Speaker 1: and it creates this insurmountable gap. And instead of looking

594
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Speaker 1: in the mirror and saying, we did this to ourselves,

595
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Speaker 1: you use fancy enough language and you got a good

596
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Speaker 1: enough nomenclature that confuses people into thinking the system is

597
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Speaker 1: what holds us down. The system doesn't hold you down.

598
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Speaker 1: At Tennessee, the system haunt held Texas down, system hat

599
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Speaker 1: helds South Carolina down. Poor higher have held them down.

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Speaker 1: And this is a small microcosm of how it can

601
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: go wrong. Now let's circle back to the higher they

602
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: made at South Carolina. So they end up hiring Shane Beemer,

603
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: who was thought to be the leader in the clubhouse

604
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning. Now, as I've said before and

605
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Speaker 1: I'll say again, only takes one right hire to erase

606
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Speaker 1: a multitude of wrong decisions. Arkansas may have done it

607
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: with Pittman, Maybe South Carolina did it with Shane Biemer.

608
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Speaker 1: I got an email from Thomas who also wanted his

609
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Speaker 1: question included in the Late Kit Cast podcast, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to answer it here. He said, over the last

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Speaker 1: few months, has your opinion changed on Shane Beemer? Well, No,

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Speaker 1: my opinion hasn't changed. I've got a generally positive opinion

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Speaker 1: of him. I think that it could be a perfect

614
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: woven into the fabric higher for that specific job. Beemer

615
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: would be a terrible higher for the University of Washington

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Speaker 1: and could still be a great hire for Carolina. If

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Speaker 1: Sam Pittman does he fit at Arizona. Probably not fits

618
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: at Arkansas, though, so it's very important. Culture and community

619
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Speaker 1: and fit are infinitely more important college football than they

620
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Speaker 1: ever have been or will be at the NFL level.

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Speaker 1: If you can coach for the Chargers, you can coach

622
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Speaker 1: for the Patriots, you coach for the Oregon State Beavers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're fitting Auburn University. Just because

624
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: you succeeded in one place, you get how it works

625
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: through watching this show. You're big college football fan, you

626
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: get how it works. But the point is, no, my

627
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: opinion hasn't changed. I knew he'd come in and galvanize

628
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: the fan base. I mean, certainly the fan base got

629
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: him hired. That they were all on board with it,

630
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: which renders a lot of opinions. Moot, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, doesn't really matter what an outsider thinks if

632
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: the insiders and the community at large really loves the

633
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Speaker 1: hire because it's your program. It's not my program or

634
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: anyone else's program. It's your program. But I know he

635
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: galvanized the fan base. But listen, that's icing. You gotta

636
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: have the cake. So as we always say, the season

637
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: will eventually come. It could be rough this year for him,

638
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: but we're not talking about twenty twenty one as being

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00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: a judgment call on Shane Biemer. There is no must

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Speaker 1: win game this year for South Carolina. There will be

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Speaker 1: down the road, but right now, they got to get

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Speaker 1: people on campus, people being recruits, They got to go

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Speaker 1: on campus. There's been some excitement around that program. It

644
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Speaker 1: just you have to sustain it. Any firecracker can burn

645
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Speaker 1: for a little while. You got to have an inferno, man.

646
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Speaker 1: You gotta have something that burns and burns and burns.

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Speaker 1: And there's no way to know if they had that yet.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying about the South Carolina higher or

649
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Speaker 1: Josh Hipel at Tennessee. Any other new hire right now, right,

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Speaker 1: I want to wrap it up with just a really,

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Speaker 1: really good feature. I hope you looked at this today

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Speaker 1: on twenty four to seven sports dot com. If you did,

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Speaker 1: I would encourage you to weigh through all the playoff stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can click on that too, it helps, But I

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Speaker 1: want you to eventually get to the piece that Chris

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Speaker 1: Hummer put out today. Here's your incut column. So Chris

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Speaker 1: Hummer on twenty four seven sports dot com today he

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Speaker 1: starts talking about player development, and it is something we

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Speaker 1: talk about a lot. There are three aspects really that

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Speaker 1: win in college football, and two of them get talked

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Speaker 1: about a lot. One of them's recruiting, and one of

662
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Speaker 1: them is coaching. You know, execution, exus knows. But there's

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Speaker 1: this one in the middle, player development, and it does

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Speaker 1: get mentioned. But it's really hazy, it's really foggy. If

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Speaker 1: you were to nail someone down and say what is

666
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Speaker 1: player development? You get twenty different answers from twenty different people.

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Speaker 1: What is recruiting? It's easy. What is coaching? They think

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Speaker 1: it's easy. I guess player development it's all over the place.

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Speaker 1: So what Chris Hummer did was he said, let's try

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Speaker 1: and show you what it is numerically. Let's show you

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Speaker 1: what it is graphically, and not rite this moment, but

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Speaker 1: in just a second, Jesse's going to show you some

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Speaker 1: of the corresponding graphics surrounding this piece that are incredible.

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Speaker 1: So here's the least shocking takeaway from it. Bama and

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Speaker 1: Clemson are rolling folks, just rolling folks. Some of you

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Speaker 1: know some of what I'm about to tell you, but

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Speaker 1: even the hardcore fans out there, you know these programs

678
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Speaker 1: are good. Did you know they were this good? So

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Speaker 1: I got some numbers for you, and these are mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: So again, some of these you know already. You know

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Speaker 1: every recruiting class Nick Saban has had at Alabama has

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Speaker 1: won a title within three years. Again, let's pause to

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Speaker 1: let that summer, cause that's crazy. But you've heard that

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Speaker 1: by now. You've heard that every Bama team from eight

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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty has been ranked number one in the

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Speaker 1: A people at least one week out of their year. Crazy,

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Speaker 1: but you've heard that. The most mind blowing stat but

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Speaker 1: one that you've heard is Nick Saban has produced thirty

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Speaker 1: nine first round draft picks and he's lost twenty three games.

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Speaker 1: At Bama. That includes six the first year. That's probably

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Speaker 1: the craziest, one of the craziest stats in all the

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Speaker 1: sports I've ever heard. Okay, so Nick sab And has

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Speaker 1: rewritten the record books. But here's why you know. Alabama

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Speaker 1: has signed forty one draft eligible five stars since eight

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Speaker 1: And let me hit you with this number. Those players

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Speaker 1: have been drafted first round at a forty eight point

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Speaker 1: eight percent clip the rest of college football good teams,

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Speaker 1: bad teams eighteen point three percent. What does that mean, Well, essentially,

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Speaker 1: to break it down for you, a five star kid

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Speaker 1: who goes to Alabama is more than twice as likely

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Speaker 1: to go in the first round as going to any

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Speaker 1: other program in college football. That is how you win,

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Speaker 1: because you can a big budget can buy you a

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Speaker 1: lot of groceries, but you got to have a world

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Speaker 1: class chef to produce a meal like that, and they

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Speaker 1: got a world class chef in Tuscaloosa. But it's not

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Speaker 1: just Alabama. Now, if you look at the breakdown of

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Speaker 1: this article that Chris Hummer put together, Clemson is next

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Speaker 1: in line. And the thing about the Clemson breakdown is

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Speaker 1: they're very good right now. They're on top of the

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Speaker 1: world right now, but they don't have as big a

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Speaker 1: sample size as Bama. Bama had forty one I think

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Speaker 1: it was forty one draft eligible five stars, so five

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Speaker 1: stars stuck around the whole time. Clemson's I think, relatively speaking,

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Speaker 1: was only like twelve or thirteen. That number continues to

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Speaker 1: grow every year, so the sample size is smaller, but

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Speaker 1: it's really good with Clemson two. Since two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: ninety two percent of Clemson's five stars have been drafted.

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Speaker 1: Ninety two percent of them been drafted. That's number one

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Speaker 1: in America. That's better, percentage wise, even than Alabama. Now. Again,

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Speaker 1: the difference is the sample size is a little bit smaller.

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Speaker 1: It's way smaller. But again, it's been a theme throughout

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Speaker 1: the show tonight that I didn't really plan, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to hammer it one more time. There is a

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Speaker 1: horrific inverse to this whole trend, and that is what

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Speaker 1: happens when you can recruit but you can't develop them.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of you know where I'm

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Speaker 1: probably about to go. But Chris Hummer did a really

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Speaker 1: good job of just summarizing it graphically too. The horrific

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Speaker 1: inverse of this is Texas Texas since two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: has had twenty eight percent of their five star talent

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Speaker 1: get drafted. By comparison, Bama's five stars have been drafted

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Speaker 1: at a seventy five percent clip, Clemson's five stars have

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Speaker 1: been drafted at a ninety two percent clip. Ninety two percent,

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent, twenty eight percent at Texas. So again

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Speaker 1: I circle back around. Anyone who tells you that anything

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Speaker 1: out there about the system is involved in the ineptitude

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Speaker 1: at these programs need only look at these sorts of numbers.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who wants to talk about a legitimate fix, anyone

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Speaker 1: wants to talk about lack of parody in this sport,

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Speaker 1: you only need look at the ineptitude and the wrong

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Speaker 1: hires that have been made that don't know how to

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Speaker 1: develop the talent in this case even when they can

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Speaker 1: recruit it, which makes it triply bad. I mean, Matt

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Speaker 1: Campbell don't have a five star within one hundred miles

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Speaker 1: radius of Iowa State, and they're just churning out winning

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Speaker 1: season after winning season at Texas. The campus is littered

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Speaker 1: with them, and as you're seeing on the graphic, can't

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Speaker 1: do anything with them. Well, that's why a different staff

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Speaker 1: is at Texas now than it was. But man, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was incredible and it removes a lot of

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Speaker 1: the mystery. You know, if you want to know why

753
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Speaker 1: college football seems so predictable at the very top, it's

754
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: not because anything's broken, at least within the framework of

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00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: the system. Are broken in a whole lot of athletic departments.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing unique. I'll tell you what started to

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Speaker 1: separate the cream and had it really rise to another level.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years ago, everyone sort of did the same version

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Speaker 1: of workouts, football workouts. They varied, I mean, Nebraska did

760
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: different stuff in Florida, but by and large people were

761
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: focused on the same thing. It was speed and it

762
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: was strength and conditioning training. But when you started to

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Speaker 1: incorporate data, and you started to incorporate sports science, and

764
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Speaker 1: you had started to incorporate a really firm grasp and

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Speaker 1: understanding of the psychological and mental aspect of this game,

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Speaker 1: the big boys, the right ones, invested properly, they hired properly,

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Speaker 1: and what you saw all of a sudden is like

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Speaker 1: the hockey stick effect, and the gap became larger between

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Speaker 1: the haves and have nots, because the haves went and

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Speaker 1: got the proper people in position to develop in an

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Speaker 1: area that had previously not been cultivated. If you go

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Speaker 1: back to Alabama and you look at the quantum leap

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Speaker 1: they took just last year, Go look at Nasee Harris

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Speaker 1: play in twenty nineteen, and then look at and play

775
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Look at the explosiveness of DeVante Smith

776
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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and look at him in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: What changed, Well, they got a new sports science team

778
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Speaker 1: in there, and they had a grand total of like

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Speaker 1: half a season to work with those guys in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a pandemic, which, by the way, begs the

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Speaker 1: question what will they look like this year? Bunch of

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Speaker 1: unknown names to most of you, but now with a

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Speaker 1: full year and a half under that same structure. My

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Speaker 1: point is you got to invest properly. You cannot let

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Speaker 1: people get an edge on you. LSU started to get

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Speaker 1: an edge in various sports science categories over even Alabama

787
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Speaker 1: and the rest of the conference a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was one of many reasons that they surged in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. So when you say what is player development,

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00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: it's a whole lot of stuff. You better have about

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to spare if you ask what is player development,

792
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: because anyone who knows what they're talking about, it's going

793
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Speaker 1: to take that long to give you the right answer.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's about all we have for tonight. I

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Speaker 1: thought we were gonna go like two hours. We're fine, Okay,

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Speaker 1: We're good. A quick reminder, liking the videos on YouTube

797
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Speaker 1: helps us a lot, and also make sure you're following

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Speaker 1: at late Kick Josh, Instagram and Twitter. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff coming down the pike. We are not

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Speaker 1: far away from the theme of this show, well, not

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Speaker 1: the theme, the feel of this show changing a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens when we get towards the media day

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Speaker 1: season then fall camp. I mean, we really really go

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00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: hard around here, and so not that we're not right now,

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Speaker 1: but it's a totally different flavor and when we get

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Speaker 1: in the season, So you're gonna want to be on

807
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: those platforms cause as clearly as I can state it

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00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: right now, there's gonna be stuff there that is not here.

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Speaker 1: So until then, have yourselves a great start to the

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Speaker 1: weekend for a director of Americas College where Jesse and Brewden, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh paid thanks for watching, having a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: I got this