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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 2: SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. And it is a Friday, Sure is here

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, and it's a Friday before the start of

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Speaker 1: training camp.

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Speaker 2: Matt, how about that we'll be deep into it this

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Speaker 2: time next week, you know, certainly wautiful day here feels

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Speaker 2: like camp psyched.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to get out there. Of course

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Speaker 1: you will. You will not be here early Monday next week, right,

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Speaker 1: So that will be myself and Rob King the really

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Speaker 1: anointed voice of the Steeler.

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Speaker 2: Love it. Congrats to Rob. We've gotten to do a

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Speaker 2: lot with him over the last few or so and

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Speaker 2: he's filled in for me when I was in Turks

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Speaker 2: and Caicos a couple of weeks ago. You guys had

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Speaker 2: some bang up work. And congrats to him. I think

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Speaker 2: he's be great in this job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, really happy for king Er that that he

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Speaker 1: get the job. And you know, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: as much respect as I have for Bill Hill Hillgrove

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Speaker 1: and I have the utmost respect for Bill Hillgrove. I

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Speaker 1: think Rob King will carry that torch very well.

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Speaker 2: Very very well. Yeah. I think all of you that

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Speaker 2: are uncertain or don't know will be very happy with

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Speaker 2: the selection. And I think he's gonna do great work.

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot of football with him over the

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Speaker 2: last year or so. I used to I hosted a

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Speaker 2: Monday night show with him and Wolf during the season

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Speaker 2: where we'd recap the games and then you and I

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Speaker 2: did a Thursday video for Steelers dot Com down to

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Speaker 2: the facility and we had like a pre conversation before

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Speaker 2: that too, previewing the games. And now he knows what

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Speaker 2: he's talking about. It would be good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so I think a fine choice there to

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Speaker 1: to again carry the torch. It's it's amazing, you know

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Speaker 1: when you talk about the play by play guys, you

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Speaker 1: talk about the Steelers, Yeah, in the in the head coaches,

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Speaker 1: right in my lifetime, they've only had this will be

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Speaker 1: the third.

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Speaker 2: Three, right, right, So as of now you've seen two

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Speaker 2: Jack flying ye.

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Speaker 1: Jack was there my first year on the beat. He

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Speaker 1: was still he was still doing the games and and

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Speaker 1: and a very good play by play guy obviously on

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Speaker 1: his in his own right, then Billy took over and

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Speaker 1: now Kinger.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So how many years of Fleming did you overlap.

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Speaker 1: With It would have been just just the one year,

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Speaker 1: I think, and Billy's done it that long Bill Billy

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Speaker 1: started in ninety four.

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Speaker 2: It was ninety four. Wow, Okay, I was a Pitt

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Speaker 2: Johnstone at that point, you know, had no clue this

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Speaker 2: would be my career. Unbelievable. What a career he's had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable. And and you can still of course here

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Speaker 1: Billy doing the pit games, but won't be doing the

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Speaker 1: Steelers this year. It will now be Rob King and

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Speaker 1: which that's a great choice with Rob all the luck

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Speaker 1: in the world. I think he'll do a great job

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Speaker 1: and that.

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Speaker 2: You guys are gonna like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We also have our training camp run down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's dig in, so looking at.

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Speaker 1: What the sn R broadcast schedule will look like starting yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: during the weekdays when they when the Steelers have their

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Speaker 1: ten thirty am practice time, from nine to ten thirty am,

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Speaker 1: you'll have the training camp report with Bob Labola and

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Speaker 1: shirtless Tom Opferman.

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Speaker 2: Good good, they're a good team.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. From ten thirty to eleven thirty am, you'll have

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Speaker 1: Training Camp live with Mike Pursuda and Max Starks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I assume they'll be watching practice on the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that will also be a Steelers video with that

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Speaker 1: one as well.

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Speaker 1: And then from eleven thirty to one thirty you'll have

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Speaker 1: in the locker Room with the Craig Wolfly, Max Starks, and.

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Speaker 2: Wes Uler No west is joining nice yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 1: And then from one thirty to three you'll have the

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Speaker 1: drive with me you yeah, and the aforementioned Rob King.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We're letting them sit in with us this year. Absolutely. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: On the weekends a little different only camp, the schedules

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Speaker 1: a little more expanded. So from this will be when

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Speaker 2: The Saturday or Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So from nine to ten you have the Training

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Speaker 1: Camp report with labs in tom Off. FROMMKA ten to

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Speaker 1: twelve is in the locker Room with Wolf, Starks and wesk.

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Speaker 1: Twelve to two will be live from Latrobe with Rob Keshueler.

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Speaker 2: Nice yea.

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Speaker 1: Two to three is Training Camp Live with Mike Persuda

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Speaker 1: and Max Stark's Steelers video team. And then from three

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Speaker 1: to five. You get the drive with myself in just

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Speaker 1: the two of us, just the two of us all

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Speaker 1: the weekends, but we do the three to five slot.

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Speaker 1: Way should be able to call a little practice.

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Speaker 2: End to the good stuff at the end of practice

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Speaker 2: probably too, So that's great. I don't mean to like

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Speaker 2: break news or if this isn't true, but I do

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Speaker 2: think there might be video of us this year too.

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Speaker 2: There's been some talk. There's been talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Looks like they're looking from the looks of this, are

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Speaker 1: going to shoot the training camp live thing, don't I

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Speaker 2: Been kicked around by if that's you know, legit yet

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Speaker 2: or not. So no, I can't wait. I'm psyched about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to family vacation, rest up a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and then dive in the deep end at Latrobe. But

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Speaker 2: Saint and they're always great hosts for the team and

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Speaker 2: us and everybody too.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely look really looking forward to, uh to kicking that

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Speaker 1: off starting on Thursday. Absolutely, Steelers making a little news yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something happened.

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Speaker 1: Uh they bring back Tyler Matakaevich inside linebacker. Really special

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Speaker 1: teams ace. Absolute, Yeah, and I think you know that

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Speaker 1: move Uh. Some some people may look at that and go, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what's going on. That's that's another inside linebacker

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Speaker 2: It shocked me a little when I read it the

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Speaker 2: shock me now the more I did get into it.

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Speaker 1: They've they've carried special teams guys in the past. I mean,

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Speaker 2: In a big way.

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Speaker 1: So you bring in a guy like Matta Kayevich, who

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I did a bunch of homework on it afterwards,

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Speaker 2: and it amazes me. He played four years in Buffalo. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was quicker than I thought. You know, I remember,

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Speaker 2: I feel like they signed him initially.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a three year deal. Then they

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Speaker 1: signed them to another deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and their Special Teams captain much like a Killer Brew.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's one of the just like he was here.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best special teamers in the league.

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Speaker 2: Those four years combined in Pittsburgh and then the four

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Speaker 2: in both locations on defense. Yeah, he was a really

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Speaker 2: good linebacker in college, but that's not why you signed.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has your four to three inside linebacker in college

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Speaker 1: who has one hundred and fifty tackle that's him. Everybody

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, super productive, but just doesn't have the traits

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Speaker 2: you want out there on a defense time and time again. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but if you got your starters and your third guy

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, so, I mean he's capable.

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Speaker 1: That was the problem when when Ryan Shazier first got

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Speaker 1: coming in to replace Shazier. So they were really down

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Speaker 2: Right, So to dig further into it, you know, I

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Speaker 2: initially thought, I'm like, they really need that guy because

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Speaker 2: they're obviously very very deep at inside linebacker. But this

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Speaker 2: almost doesn't even matter with the inside linebackers. In my opinion.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's at least four ahead of them. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's great news for Mark Robinson's chances, but

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll.

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Speaker 1: See realistically, they could keep six if they want could Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So what I really looked into, though, is who

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Speaker 2: on this team has played special teams?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no Boykin, there's no Pierre, and I'm

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Speaker 2: still having a hard time coming up with five cores dudes,

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Speaker 2: and they just added another. Now you have two great

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Speaker 2: I looked into Mike Coel Prewitt's special teams background. He's

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Speaker 2: done kickoff return and that's it. And I would imagine

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Speaker 2: you got a lot of special team snaps you need

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Speaker 2: to find homes for, which is why the signing happened.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no doubt about it. I mean, and I think,

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Speaker 1: the kickoff role.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Tacklers defensive minded, yeah right, much like killer brew.

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Speaker 1: Guys who understand how to again, how to how to

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Speaker 2: Know, zone type.

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Speaker 1: Of play because that's what it's going to be now ye.

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Speaker 2: Which also brings me to Mark Robinson because he was

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Speaker 2: third or fourth on the team and special team snaps

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Speaker 2: last year. And I don't know if he was good

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Speaker 2: but I never heard he was bad and he never

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Speaker 2: got bent, so he probably was adequate or good. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he does stick around. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, last year they kept six wide

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Speaker 1: receivers by that week. Happen because one of those core

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Speaker 1: Now you know, maybe this signals that, hey, you're only

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Speaker 1: you're only keeping five.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I would assume so, and unless you make a

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Speaker 2: trade for one or something in between. But that could mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, the other tough news for the other dudes.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a while since the team and most

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Speaker 2: excuse me, most teams do have a core special team

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Speaker 2: or amongst your wide receivers. Yeah, and they're they're.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have that guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they do either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even the special team or the tight ends,

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Speaker 2: it's really just Hayward. None of the backs are going

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Speaker 2: to be There's not a Benny Snell.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, Jaylen Warren still doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's running down to kick tackling anybody, though,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if you can get a as we've seen

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Wally. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio. Matt

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Speaker 1: Steelers getting ready to go to training camp here yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd take a look in these next two

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, So not like all the dudes that

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Speaker 1: So a quarterback last year, we'll start start there. It

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Speaker 2: Lead the team in preseason snaps. I don't know they're

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a throw at all.

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Speaker 1: To how you felt coming out of I mean again,

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Speaker 1: two seasons as Justin Fields did his entire time in Chicago.

437
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 2: And also brought the team back often, you know, those

438
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 2: fourth quarter victories.

439
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,879
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm with you, and that Kenny Pickett is

440
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,440
Speaker 1: a bust or is you know, can't play any at all?

441
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, I think that there were some things last

442
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 1: year that for whatever reason, held him.

443
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Speaker 2: Back, including an injury. Yeah, yeah, right, I mean I

444
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 2: would love this again. I would love to see him

445
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 2: in this offense we're about to see for an extended stretch,

446
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 2: to see what he looks like, you know.

447
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,720
Speaker 1: But I also know that at the end of the

448
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 1: year when Mason Rudolph was in there, the offense look better.

449
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 2: Than no question about it, no question about it. And

450
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 2: Fields is also very talented. Yeah, I mean, I'm not

451
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 2: even sure Fields versus Picket how I would handle that,

452
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of who I'd rather have, probably Fields,

453
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 2: But we'll see, I mean, we'll see.

454
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: I mean Fields has more upside.

455
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 2: And say, if anyone's going to be the answer to

456
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 2: compete in the in the AFC with those quarterbacks, it's Fields. Yeah,

457
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 2: you know, okay, but I'm still going to take this

458
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 2: group over even breaking camp liked about Kenny.

459
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: The group running back last year was Nause Harris, Jalen Warren,

460
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: Anthony McFarland. This year naj Harris, Jalen Warren, Cordero Patterson.

461
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 1: Then you got Michael p Ryan, you got Dejuan Edwards,

462
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ward, Aaron Shampkin.

463
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 2: Michael p Rhy might not be a total throw away either. Yeah,

464
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he's at least been in the league. My

465
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: opinion of Harris and Warren really haven't changed. If anything,

466
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: they've increased. Yeah, and I'll take Patterson over McFarland, although

467
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: McFarland was splashy last year in camp. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

468
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: he's not with anybody, is he.

469
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe that he is. Yeah, I don't believe

470
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Speaker 1: that he is. But yeah, I'm with you. I mean,

471
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, Patterson is a more established player.

472
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: He's been a league a long time. You know how

473
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Speaker 2: to help an offense.

474
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Speaker 1: And you know, remember too, McFarlane was your kick returner.

475
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: I think to start last year. Now you got Patterson

476
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: doing that.

477
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 2: Which is much better. And the rules are different, of course,

478
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,239
Speaker 2: but I would have loved to see mcfarlande with these

479
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 2: rules too.

480
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: I just would have loved to see McFarlane stay healthy.

481
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hard to count on.

482
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Speaker 1: Because you know, when he did play to your point,

483
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: he did make splash plays.

484
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: They did. And I remember Camp he was making a

485
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: lot of plays as a receiver downfield, you know what

486
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: I mean. He was starting to develop as a pass catcher.

487
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't landed.

488
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: Protection, has never been as forte. Yeah. That makes it tough, and.

489
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a running back position is difficult.

490
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, you know, it really is. It's not

491
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: all over room. There's a lot of them out.

492
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Speaker 1: There wide receiver. Last year you had Deontay Johnson, Allen Robinson,

493
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Speaker 1: George Pickens, Miles Boykin, Calvin Austin, and Gunner Olshefsky.

494
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: I'll take that group.

495
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: This year it's George Pickens, Van Jefferson, Calvin Austin, Scottie Miller,

496
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Speaker 1: Roman Wilson, Quez Watkins, des Fitz, Patrick Marquez, Callaway, Deuce Watts,

497
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 1: Jerray Jenkins, and Jacob Copeland.

498
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: So I like Pickens more now than then. Yeah, there's

499
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Speaker 2: nobody that competes with Deante for number two. Though, in

500
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Speaker 2: terms of I'll be honest.

501
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: With you, I like the depth from this year's group,

502
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: the depth of the guy beyond the two starters, whoever

503
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Speaker 1: those may be.

504
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: But my opinion of Alan Robinson at camp break time

505
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: was higher than any non Pickins receiver. Now, I wasn't

506
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: one right about that.

507
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: I don't know the mine was just having watched him

508
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: on a daily Mike.

509
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: I thought he was. We kept talking about throwing the

510
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: midfield war receiver blocking. I thought they got a pretty

511
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: nice trade out of him, and it wasn't one hundred

512
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: percent right. I mean, his season was not all that

513
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: exciting and he's not dangerous, and I think his career

514
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: is basically over. But I will definitely take that version

515
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 2: over this or that group over this.

516
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: I think people are looking at that, and you remember,

517
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Speaker 1: if you looked at it last year, that group was

518
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: looked at was maybe, I don't know, the fifteenth best

519
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver room in the league, somewhere in that Raims fair.

520
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

521
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when I look at it there, what's

522
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, Miles Weekend and Gunner ol Chewsky.

523
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: I know that's I was about to bring that up,

524
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: like like we've had a good special teams conversation.

525
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: Cut better receivers. Yeah, this year than those two guys.

526
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 2: Just say, there's four or five from this year's group

527
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: that would have beat those dudes out. Yeah, yeah, no,

528
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: I won't fight you on that, but if you had Deontay,

529
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: I think it's a conversation.

530
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, get me right, and I get that. Yeah, there's

531
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Speaker 1: nobody there who has been as productive as Deontay Johnson.

532
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: But outside even the top three, and if we're being

533
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 2: kind with three last year, those guys weren't impact players. No. Well,

534
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: Austin's both. I mean he's both.

535
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 1: But he has sixteen catches last year.

536
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I just hope there's more this year.

537
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, I mean, and last year was

538
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: essentially his rookie year, so.

539
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: Right, you know we're getting crunch time with him or

540
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: a year three?

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, already a tight end last year, Pat Frarmouth, Connor Hayward,

542
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: and Darnel Washington.

543
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: Okay, it's the same, but you've had him Michael Preuitt,

544
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: which I don't know what to think of, to be

545
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: honest with you. I mean, he's more of a blocker,

546
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: but he's been around the block and he knows the

547
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: system and he can run a little.

548
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: We also know a little bit more about Rodney Williams

549
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: than we did a year ago.

550
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: The best of special teams Conmerca. He was really good

551
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: on special teams, and now he's got one more roster spot,

552
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: the hurdle to be in the mix. I mean, there's

553
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Speaker 2: another guy that could be ahead of him. But to

554
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: be fair, I might have been higher on Friarmuth in

555
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: Washington then than now. I mean, I had great hope

556
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: for them, not that they stink, it's not what I mean.

557
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: It's just I expected bigger seasons from both those.

558
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: My opinion on Fararmouth hasn't changed one I owed. I

559
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: still think he's a good football player. The injuries aside,

560
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: and I also think that I mean, they got I believe,

561
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: if my memory memories right here, the tight ends were

562
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: targeted ninety three times last year. The year before that,

563
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: Fararmuth was targeted ninety eight times by himself.

564
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So.

565
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that the catches for the not it

566
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: was not necessarily their fault.

567
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: I think.

568
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I think the quarterbacks weren't throwing the football to the

569
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: tight ends, so there was a reason.

570
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: Tight end design stuff I didn't love either. There was

571
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: a lot of him chipping an edge and just like

572
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: turning around one yard downfield you know that didn't play

573
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: to his strengths either. Yeah, by no means am I

574
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: that more down on fire mouth now than then?

575
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: I Some people are, some people are. He's hurt every year.

576
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: If you look at it, he's he missed one game

577
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: I think in each of his first two seasons. I

578
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: mean that's not at that position. You know people used

579
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: to say talk about that with George Kittle. Oh yeah, yeah,

580
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean that position beats you up. I'm gonna say,

581
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: though the tight end rooms will wash for me. I'm

582
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's noticeably better this year or worse.

583
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: I just think I with a year under his belt,

584
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: I think we'll see more from Darnel Washington, you know.

585
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: And I hope he gets down the field a little

586
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: bit more and more of a red presence. Third and four,

587
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: he turns around five yards out.

588
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know he's people saw his combine.

589
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: Ubers and they maybe got a little and got.

590
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: A little too excited about him. I think he is

591
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: a very specific I think he's a blocking tight end

592
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: who happens when he gets he's not I know he

593
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: timed at four or five something or something like that

594
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: at the combine. That's not who he.

595
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Is, my build up speed guy, That's what I say.

596
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: I bet his flying twenty, his last twenty is where

597
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: that way faster after he really starts churning, which makes

598
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: you say, hey, stretch to seem a little bit and

599
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: get them churning a little bit. But that means he's

600
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: not blocking more, you know what I mean?

601
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what he does better.

602
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: He's not super twitching, and I think he.

603
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: Did get better as a blocker as the season went

604
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: on last year.

605
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, and it will be probably better better, I

606
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: think rookie learning. Yeah.

607
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: To me, when I look at that position, I fa

608
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: have the factor that into you know, he's got a

609
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: year under his belt now, has got two years under

610
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: his belt. Now. I think they both have a better understanding.

611
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: Of sure what it takes to sports.

612
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, alrighty, let's move on offensive line. Well, last year

613
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: you're you're looking at Dan Moore, Broderick Jones, Isaac Samalo,

614
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: Mason Cole, James Daniels, Nate her Big Chukes a corps

615
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: for then you also, of course had the young guys

616
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: Spencer Anderson and.

617
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Cook made Dylan Cook.

618
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming out of camp this year. I mean you

619
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: had Zach Frazier, had Troy Fatanu to that group.

620
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: It's better, It's got to be better. I mean, you

621
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: throw McCormick in the mix, Anderson's back, her BIG's back.

622
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: You know a lot of your depth, dudes. I mean,

623
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: Chukes might be a starting left tackle for the Patriots

624
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: this year. But I'll roll my dice with the other guys.

625
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that one's close. That one

626
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: to me is lopsided as any conversation we've had.

627
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Yet again, much much like the you know, you know

628
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: Broderick Jones last year, if you remember, didn't start the

629
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: first and a half of the season. Now he's got

630
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: a year under his belt.

631
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, these at this point should be better. Yeah. Yeah,

632
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: And if again, if they're rewind to the day camp ended,

633
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: what our brain set was was maybe we'll see Jones

634
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: this year. You know, he looks impressive in practice and

635
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: see him walk around the lunch room. He's pretty darn impressive.

636
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: You know, but we didn't really know.

637
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: Last ten games of last season, the Steelers averaged one

638
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five yards rushing per game. Had they

639
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: done that the entire season.

640
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Is that when he took over pretty close.

641
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: Pretty close close, they would have been the second leading

642
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: rushing team in the league. Ye having Baltimore at all

643
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: without getting anything like Baltimore does from the quarterback.

644
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And a lot of it was inserting him

645
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: in the lineup. And yeah, no, I'm excited about the

646
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: run blocking.

647
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, when people automatically wanted to want

648
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: to throw Dan Moore Junior out of the lineup to

649
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: the starting lineup. His run blocking is not garbage. Yeah,

650
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: it's actually really good.

651
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think we're all going to agree we'll

652
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Speaker 2: take this group of linemen over that group of linemen.

653
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Mason Cole or Chokes is horrible,

654
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: these guys that aren't here NFL. But I'll roll the

655
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: dice with the high picks without questions.

656
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Mason Cole struggled last year.

657
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you know it.

658
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: Just that is what it is.

659
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Speaker 2: There's a stat I just wanted to throw out there

660
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: that I heard this morning about Arthur Smith's offense last year. So,

661
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: Bijon Robinson's a great player and we know that, but

662
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: Bijeon Alger and Corddell Patterson all at each one of

663
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: them averaged over four yards of carry verse eight or

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Speaker 2: more man boxes.

665
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Speaker 1: That's hard to do. It's really hard to do.

666
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: And their line's really good. But a lot of that scheme,

667
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, and hey, maybe Beijeon's better than any back

668
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: on either team, but Harrison Warren can hang with Algier

669
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: and Patterson's Patterson and you know they're better than Algier. Frankly, Yeah,

670
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: but I mean that's nine man boxes, ten man boxes,

671
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: eight or more. They averaged four yards of carry from

672
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: each running back. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It's really good. Yeah, really good. Absolutely, that's the offense.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a look at the defense when we come back.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're to

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Speaker 1: the Drive on Stlur's Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson, and we're taking

678
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Speaker 1: a look at the Steelers roster from coming out of

679
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: training camp last year as compared to the roster as

680
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: they head to camp today and kind of some of

681
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: the things we think about these year. We just did

682
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Speaker 1: the offense, let's star the defense, Matt, and we'll start

683
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: with the defensive line last year was well, pretty much

684
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: the same up front, Larry Ogunjobi, Keanu Benton. You have

685
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward, you have Montrevius Adams in there, Isaiah Louder, Milk,

686
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Armam Watts, Braden for Hako. For Hoko, I should say,

687
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: actually he didn't make the starting No, he was practice John. Yeah,

688
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: then you had Demarvin Lel as well. This year you

689
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: got Ogunjobi, Yout Benton, Cameron Hayward, Louder, Milk, Adams, Dean

690
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Lowry is a big change to Marvin le L Forjoko

691
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: is back Logan Lee a six round draft pick into

692
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: that group, and then Jacob Slade, Jonathan Marshall and Wellington Prevale.

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Speaker 2: So trying to be as fair as possible here without question,

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00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Benton's worth more now than then. I mean, like stock

695
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: wept through the roof. I mean more than as much

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00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: as anyone on the team. I mean he looks like

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00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: a foundational player where we were just excited out of

698
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: bottom off Wisconsin tape and some practice stuff. I'm hoping,

699
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm hoping Lowry's as good as Watts.

700
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: Wats was really good last year. I thought he played

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00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: quality snaps.

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Speaker 1: Lowry in his career has been a better player.

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00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: I think you had a better career. Yeah, but if

704
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: he if you get the same production out of him

705
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: as he did Wats last year, I'll take it. I mean,

706
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: so that's kind of a wash that maybe I.

707
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: Have a better opinion of Montsravious Adams too.

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00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good year too. Watson Adam,

709
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: I'll kick their coverage to me. Yeah, louder Milk and

710
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Leal have not lived up to what you want from them,

711
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: so their stock has gone down. To be fair, you

712
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: have to say cam stock went down. I mean we

713
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: were looking at him as one of the best defensive

714
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: players on the planet and you didn't get that from him.

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Speaker 2: And now he's a year older in age matters and

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Speaker 2: Ogunjobi to me kind of is what he is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's ever going to be the

718
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: eight sac guy you hoped or any of those type

719
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: of things. And I think a rotation is good for him.

720
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: He's useful. I mean, he's going to be on the

721
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Speaker 2: field a lot. He's not a liability. But I don't

722
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: think him as high on him right the second as

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00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: I was three and sixty five days ago. So that's

724
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Speaker 2: about a wash to me, okay, you know, because the

725
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: Benton stuff is big.

726
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember last year when when they started

727
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: the season, Benton was not a starter.

728
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, yeah, And so I hope people don't think

729
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: like Williamson thinks Cam's washed. No. I mean, if he

730
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: was a ninety seven last year, it happens to be

731
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Speaker 2: his number now he's in ninety three with a question mark,

732
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, I mean or whatever. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, an outside linebacker. You of course had t J. Watt,

734
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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, you had Alice high Smith, Nick Herbig.

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Speaker 2: I don't think my opinion on what and Highsmith has

736
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: changed at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now you got your Rose, you get her Big,

738
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you got Jery Moon, You've got Kyraen Johnson, David Parles.

739
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: I definitely like her Big more now than before, in

740
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: a similar Benton like manner. But he was pretty promising

741
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: in Camp two.

742
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: He was, he had a good preseason.

743
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just the fact Golden's there is enough to

744
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: put it slightly towards last year and the four here

745
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: I don't think is on the team.

746
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Speaker 1: Remember too, what was coming off an injury prone or

747
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Speaker 1: an injured previous season, but he's also a year older.

748
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Speaker 1: Now I look at that as a wash. Yeah, I

749
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Speaker 1: look at that as a wash because I think her big.

750
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Speaker 1: To your point, I feel better about him now, like.

751
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: They really think he's a three.

752
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean actually heading into the season,

753
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: he was more of the four.

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00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: He was the four. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And another actually

755
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: we should have mentioned him he was He led the

756
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: league in special the team in special team stabs. Yeah.

757
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: I assume that will still be in the mix for him,

758
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: maybe less if he's in a rotation more. And frankly,

759
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: it's not even worth concerning yourself with because you could

760
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: call Golden Tomorrow or someone just like him, and you know,

761
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: even this thing out might happen to win the camp

762
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you it. Inside backer last year, Cole

764
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Holcombe kwant Alexander A. Landon Roberts, Marvin Mark Robinson and we.

765
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Speaker 2: Were pretty excited about that top three and we were right. Yeah,

766
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: I mean they when they were on the field, they

767
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: were a very very useful top three. Robinson I thought

768
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: was at this time a risk to get cut. He

769
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: was kind of at a career crossroads and he came

770
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Speaker 2: on the positive side of it. But of course you'll

771
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: take this group. Yeah, you know, that same group minus

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Speaker 2: the Hulcombe injury, plus Queen and Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, really just traded Kwant Alexander for Queen

774
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: and Wilson.

775
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: I mean I like Roberts now better than then too.

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00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean I thought he was a fine player, but

778
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: he outkicked his coverage.

779
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Speaker 1: He's really good for them.

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00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he saved the day a lot. Yeah.

781
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Let's move on to safety. Got Making Fitzpatrick, He

782
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: got to Shaun Elliott, Miles, Killerbrew, demonte k Z, Nathan mcdryan, wats.

783
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna called Watts of safety now. I think that's

784
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: what they're Yeah.

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00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I think that's what the plan is there. Last year,

786
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: you know you were looking at Making Fitzpatrick, kz kean O'Neil, Miles, Killerbrew,

787
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: and he also had Trenton Thompson in there, although I

788
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: think that was later in the season.

789
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did he make the opening day roster? I can't remember.

790
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: I think he was a practice guy. Yeah, end up

791
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: being useful because they needed him. Yeah. I'm not trying

792
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: to be mean to him, but I was not high

793
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: on Neil then and that's really the only difference. You know.

794
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: Well, and Killer Brew was All Pro last year as

795
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: a special teams.

796
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: Guy, right, I mean we knew he was a great

797
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: special teamer, and he was even better than that this

798
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: past year. I mean, I.

799
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: Guess second league in special teams tackles, you know.

800
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's to me, it's not the same as

801
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: a Cam situation.

802
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: But can go back make it? Yeah, he didn't go backwards.

803
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: He didn't have as good as year as he had

804
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: this year.

805
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: But I don't think my opinion will change. No, he's

806
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: I'm worried about me, that's not at all. I'm more

807
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: worried about Cam than Manka for obvious reasons. He was older,

808
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: you know. I mean that's that's the way it goes.

809
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: So this group's better. I mean, if you're throwing Elliott

810
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: on last year's group, well, swop out Neil Elliott is

811
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: kind of what they did, really it is. Yeah, And

812
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: and I think Casey's a three.

813
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: I think that's really yeah.

814
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a big nickel, Yeah.

815
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, cornerback. Well, last year, coming out of camp, it

816
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: was Levi Wallace, Patrick Peterson, James Pierre, Joey Porter Junior.

817
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: Your nickel corner Chandon Sullivan.

818
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: That sounds really bad right now. It really does, it

819
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: really does, Like I mean, especially not knowing Porter was

820
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: about to be like a defensive player at rookie your

821
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: type guy, like, of course we liked him in camp

822
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: and everyone's psyched. He's Joey's kid, and they drafted him,

823
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: and it's not like we didn't notice him last year.

824
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: And he looks like a condor And at that point

825
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: Trice was heard too. At least Trice is healthy now

826
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: or presumably Yeah.

827
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you and you also again added another good

828
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: young player to that group with Darius Rush.

829
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Rush was not involved traded for Jackson Porter Stock went up,

830
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: You're way faster, Yeah, way fast.

831
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: And even you know, okay, so he's still Cam Sutton.

832
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: We've got to count he's going to be on the roster.

833
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you you know, you got Grayland Arnold,

834
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: Beanie Bishop, and Josiah Scott as guys who are going

835
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: to be competing for that Nickel job.

836
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: Can one of them be Sullivan hopefully better? Yeah, but

837
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: I think you could probably get the same thing.

838
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: Grayland, Arnold and Josiah Scott are really no different than

839
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Channon's Sullivan right. Yeah, they've played snaps in the slot

840
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL, right.

841
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: And they're not going to Pro Bowls or Hall of

842
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: Fames or anything, but they could give you what Sullivan does.

843
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: I hope maybe he can upgrade there and you probably

844
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: do it mid midway through the season. Yeah, I mean,

845
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna the Sutton thing has to count, right, ros.

846
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: I definitely think. I mean, I think people are selling

847
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Dante Jackson way short me too.

848
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: You know, Like I had a conversation where like the

849
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: worst team in the league was gonna cut him. Why

850
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: do the Steelers want this bump? I'm like, that doesn't

851
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: necessarily that's a short sighted way of looking at him.

852
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, like, first of all, I don't think there's

853
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: the smartest organization in the league. Secondly, he's gone through

854
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: like five different defensive systems there, and it's gonna be

855
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: a lot more stable. And they know exactly they fits

856
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: this system.

857
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: They've wanted him for a couple of years now because

858
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: he fits this system.

859
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're not implying he's Rod Woodson or Melbourne, No,

860
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: but I'll roll the dice over Peterson or Wallace with him.

861
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he is he an upgrade over lev Wallace.

862
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. I think so, not just because

863
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: he's faster, but that helps. It's unhurt pretty important aspect

864
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: of playing corner.

865
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: Kind of a big deal.

866
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

867
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trading out a four four guy for a

868
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, a four to seven guy.

869
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I think you're saying Wallace is the four four

870
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: you No, Peterson isn't either anymore. Yeah, right, No, they

871
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: were looking back. That was not the great plan counting

872
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: on that group of corners.

873
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know, we talked previously about the

874
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Speaker 1: special teams guys, and Cameron Johnston is a huge, massive

875
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: grade massive there, how about that? So I wrote about

876
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: this in my five for Friday. Cameron Johnston's net average,

877
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: his net last year was better than the Steelers regular

878
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: punting average.

879
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: Really, so the one I came up with which I'd

880
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: never heard of, so don't quote me. I don't even

881
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: know what it means. But in the back of the

882
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: Football Outsiders Almanac, they have a punt net over expectations,

883
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: which I assume means if you're punting from the fifty

884
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: is different than punting from your own end zone. You

885
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: can't just let it fly. Well, HARVD was last in

886
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: the league and Johnson was six best. Yeah. I mean

887
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: it's a clear upgrade.

888
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, just just in terms of the consistency.

889
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going to be better. I would

890
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: hope weather.

891
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that was really my biggest problem with Presley

892
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Harvim was the consistency. He just didn't know what to

893
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: expect kick to kick.

894
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 2: And we talked about it for what three training camps

895
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: a road boys. He fun to watch in.

896
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: Camp, he was there's no I think it's one of

897
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: the reasons why they didn't want to bring him back

898
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: again this year, because.

899
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Because he's tea by that. Yeah. Yeah, you watch him

900
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: in camp. For me.

901
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Once he's kicking the ball sixty yards, it's hanging in

902
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: the air for five seconds and makes.

903
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: A different noise. It's like shot out of a cannon. Yeah,

904
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: I mean he can boom it.

905
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: And then you get into November and it's like he's

906
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: kicking zone. He kicks at twenty yards.

907
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't do it. But this dude's a like like

908
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: we said, and I think they now have a top

909
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: three kicker, a top three kickoff returner, two of the

910
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: top ten pure special teamers, and a top ten punter.

911
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: Maybe the top best punter. I don't know, I mean,

912
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't where to put him on the punter ranks, but.

913
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Make an argument coming off the season that he had

914
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: that bos was the best kicker league last.

915
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: Year, and quarter ro Patters might be number one.

916
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: He had two misses last year, and if you remember,

917
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: one came after he had made the fifty five yarder

918
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: right right, and then they pushed him back in another

919
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: five yards because they because they said was a SAA

920
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: mal who lined up yeah, and the neutral zoner right

921
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: with yeah, and he missed the great year. And I

922
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: don't know if Tucker had a kick made a kick

923
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: over fifty yards last year.

924
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: I was being conservative with those ranks, you know, like

925
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: you're at the top of the league in all those

926
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: categories now special team wise, so obviously that may might

927
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: be as big upgrade as I spot absolutely right there

928
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: with inside linebacker O Line.

929
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you got maybe the best kick kickoff

930
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: returner in NFL history, and you can ridiculously upgraded your

931
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: punning game.

932
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Speaker 2: If you call all those guys specialists, and by that

933
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: I mean killer Brew, Matty Kaevich, Patterson, not just the

934
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: long snapper and the people that kicked the football because

935
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 2: they really are specialists. They're not linebackers in safeties and

936
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, they'll play some offense in some defense.

937
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: But I'll take that group of the league times one thousand.

938
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's the difference is Yeah. I think again,

939
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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: We're always optimistic this time of year. I mean they're

941
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Speaker 2: going seventeen and oh you know, right.

942
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: But nobody but does it does look other than other

943
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: than wide receiver. Yeah, it's I think is better across

944
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Speaker 1: the board or at least.

945
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: Or at least a wash, at least a yeah. Right.

946
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: I mean there's a couple of spots where it's like

947
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: about to say, yeah, d line, there's not that much

948
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: changes and stuff like that. I agree, I agree.

949
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

950
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly. That's going to do for our number

951
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: one of the drive.

952
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: Just imagine if a Rice or a Rush or a

953
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: Trice or somebody like that. Yeah, like, or they find

954
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: another Warren that's an undrafted safety or whatever, and like

955
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: there's somebody to be named later that's going to make

956
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: us splash in the next couple of weeks.

957
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then we'll be there to watch all that.

958
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be back with.

959
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: More here on the drive. We'll be back with our

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Speaker 1: number two right after this