Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 1: confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
Speaker 1: your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, February eleventh, twenty twenty five, and we
Speaker 2: are seventy two days away from the NFL Draft in
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Speaker 2: got Brian brought us, Zach Walchuck, Tommy Yarsh, Chris Beam
Speaker 2: in the back.
Speaker 3: Of Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Glad you're with us today for a back in session
Speaker 2: draft show act.
Speaker 3: That's the way I want to put it. We've been
Speaker 3: all over the place.
Speaker 2: Tommy and I were out at the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 2: Mobile missed a couple of shows, had our radio row
Speaker 2: out there for a little bit, and then you guys
Speaker 2: were at the Super Bowl during radio row out there
Speaker 2: in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: How was that, gentleman?
Speaker 3: It was amazing. We certainly had a lot of good guests.
Speaker 3: It was buzzing out there. The Cowboys news never ceases
Speaker 3: to amaze me. We had Michael Walking around there, Brandon Aubrey,
Speaker 3: Zach Martin got to chat with EMMITTT. Smith. That was
Speaker 3: an absolute blast. So it was good, dude. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's unfortunate the end result of the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 3: hate to see the filthy Eagles in your own division
Speaker 3: get to win. But it's always a blast being a
Speaker 3: part of Radio Row and it was fun seeing Tommy
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great hanging out with you guys, And
Speaker 5: you know, I appreciate the you guys letting me hang
Speaker 5: around and the table and sit down for a little
Speaker 5: while because we didn't have spots, so you know, you're
Speaker 5: just kind of walking around. But the table I did.
Speaker 5: I did, and I crashed the They didn't have a
Speaker 5: no loitering sign in Philadelphia next door, I was crashing
Speaker 5: them too, But no, it was a great time. There's
Speaker 5: a lot of people walking around there, so we got
Speaker 5: to get a lot of good content and even some
Speaker 5: draft stuff too, so I'm sure we'll get into that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought it was really interesting to what Emmitt
Speaker 4: Smith said on about he wouldn't take genty because he
Speaker 4: doesn't think the coaches can use genty the right way.
Speaker 4: So that's interesting to me that you know that, and
Speaker 4: that seems to be a very very popular theme right now.
Speaker 4: Is Gent's spot where he seems to be falling is
Speaker 4: Dallas at twelve. We'll see what happens ahead of you,
Speaker 4: you know. But it was very interesting that to me,
Speaker 4: I keep saying that, but it just I mean, he
Speaker 4: was adamant that. He's like, listen, you don't know if
Speaker 4: he's guys are going to use him the right way.
Speaker 4: This team's not ready for him. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I have a plan. I was like, damn, I go
Speaker 4: that's you know, I'm I'm about getting good players. I'm
Speaker 4: about getting great players. I think that kid's a great player.
Speaker 4: And to me just adding that, but to hear him
Speaker 4: say that, it was very Uh, it was very eye opening.
Speaker 4: Not shocking, but eye opening for sure.
Speaker 2: With Emmett's saying that though it's not like it's it's
Speaker 2: somebody with him, it's not Gospel's, but.
Speaker 4: It's somebody Jerry listens to it.
Speaker 3: But does he know exactly what this coaching staff is thinking?
Speaker 4: That's the problem? Am I right about that? Zach? Was
Speaker 4: that the that what he was trying to kind up
Speaker 4: wint out.
Speaker 3: He has pointed out the lack of a plan. Maybe
Speaker 3: the lack vision. I do wonder, you know, has he
Speaker 3: been following the coaching hires as closely and he's a
Speaker 3: busy man. I mean no disrespect to Emmett, but I
Speaker 3: would think I feel better now than I did a
Speaker 3: month ago, absolutely that they would take in Ashton Genty
Speaker 3: and he would be in a position to succeed. When
Speaker 3: you think of what Clayton Adams brings to the table,
Speaker 3: the new Kansas State coach Riley coming in here, I
Speaker 3: think that shot. He's done an excellent job building this
Speaker 3: staff and putting a blend of new voices, new ideas
Speaker 3: from the college level, but also some trusted NFL voices
Speaker 3: as well to where now I do think they would
Speaker 3: have a plan drafting Ashton Genty. I think a month
Speaker 3: ago Emmett's point was spot on, sure, But now I
Speaker 3: think this team, if there's one thing that I'm confident in,
Speaker 3: They're are going to focus on running the football. And
Speaker 3: it's not just speak like we've kind of heard no
Speaker 3: offense under Mike McCarthy the last couple of years. I
Speaker 3: think this is going to be taken into action, at
Speaker 3: least from the Highers so far well.
Speaker 2: And Brian Schottenheimer, at least from the outside. Look again,
Speaker 2: he's hiring guys to put them in positions to be
Speaker 2: successful by doing what they do best. Because Schottenheimer, I
Speaker 2: could be completely wrong because we've never seen him as
Speaker 2: a first year head coach. He's going to have to
Speaker 2: figure out a lot of it in his own right.
Speaker 2: But I don't see him as the overarching it's my
Speaker 2: way or the highway sort of head coach. Not yet,
Speaker 2: not to that point yet, And I think at times
Speaker 2: that was what Mike McCarthy fell into, as a my
Speaker 2: way or the highway head coach. He's bringing in guys
Speaker 2: like Adams, He's bringing in guys like Riley that are
Speaker 2: going to help do what they do best, what they
Speaker 2: did at Arizona, what they did at Kansas State, and
Speaker 2: that could possibly bode well.
Speaker 4: Ford Wells too. Standing over Lunda Wells in around and
Speaker 4: he knows how to run.
Speaker 5: The football, no doubt, and kind of to go off
Speaker 5: of that point, every staff hire they've made, I feel like,
Speaker 5: is tipping their hand towards Hey, our offensive identity is
Speaker 5: going to be all about running the ball. I mean,
Speaker 5: you look at what Connor Riley did at Kansas State.
Speaker 5: You think about how well they ran the ball with
Speaker 5: DJ Giddens and Avery Johnson as a kind of a
Speaker 5: dual threat quarterback there, Clayton Adams, what he was able
Speaker 5: to do with James Connor out with the Cardinals in
Speaker 5: Arizona and then Derek Foster, and how he was able
Speaker 5: to have Alvin Kamara have a career year last year.
Speaker 5: And he's had a good track record of developing. So
Speaker 5: that makes Ashton Genty all the more likely. I feel
Speaker 5: like at that twelve spot, the question is does he
Speaker 5: get there? Yeah, because now you're starting to see him.
Speaker 5: He's already a great player, and everybody knows he's a
Speaker 5: great player, and I think that in the last couple
Speaker 5: of weeks he's kind of moved up if anything. So
Speaker 5: you know, you wonder is a Chicago going to gamble
Speaker 5: on him at twelve? Maybe the Raiders at six, if
Speaker 5: they feel like they can wait for a quarterback until
Speaker 5: the later rounds, or if they get a you know,
Speaker 5: if they go to free agency for the quarterback. Chicago
Speaker 5: at ten, Chicago at ten, Yeah, that would make a
Speaker 5: lot of sense. But I've had a lot of conversations
Speaker 5: recently with folks around the Boise State program about Genty,
Speaker 5: I'm completely sold. I think this Obviously, the on the
Speaker 5: field stuff is the real deal. But the characters there,
Speaker 5: the character is absolutely there, and everybody speaks very glowingly
Speaker 5: about him. And we ran into him briefly at the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl two and he he said it before, he
Speaker 5: wants to be in Dallas. He played at lone Star
Speaker 5: High School, so he said it'd be cool to wear
Speaker 5: a star on his helmet.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But I think, to me, this is the problem
Speaker 4: that you run into and the reason why you're starting
Speaker 4: to see him come up the board. People are figuring
Speaker 4: out this draft. The top of this draft that's kind
Speaker 4: of wonky. Yeah, you know, there's really one or two
Speaker 4: guys that you would really hang your hat on. I
Speaker 4: don't think there's an offensive lineman, you know. And I
Speaker 4: found out to talking to some people about you know,
Speaker 4: Josh Simmons his knee. It's a Betel attendant and it's
Speaker 4: not good. Oh, and so that's where you're at with that.
Speaker 4: Will doctor Cooper and those guys, you know, how will
Speaker 4: that medical come off of the combine here at the
Speaker 4: end of the month, you know, will he get a
Speaker 4: clean bill of health. How long will it take for
Speaker 4: him to be ready? You know, I just think there's
Speaker 4: so much uncertainty at the offensive line spot. You know,
Speaker 4: you talk about running the ball. Will Dallas make the
Speaker 4: commitment to go ahead and drafting another offensive lineman? You know?
Speaker 4: And do you even want to draft another offensive lineman
Speaker 4: when you don't know? You know some of this group.
Speaker 4: Do they play tackles, do they play guard? It is
Speaker 4: not how we've seen the offensive lines of past drafts.
Speaker 4: And I think that the reason why guys like Genty
Speaker 4: and Carter and people like that they're talking about him
Speaker 4: so high, maybe even Graham from Michigan the defensive tackle
Speaker 4: these are to me or players that are that are
Speaker 4: you can hang your hat on everybody else in the
Speaker 4: top of that draft ahead of Dallas and even where
Speaker 4: Dallas might be picking. Uh, it might be a little
Speaker 4: bit of a like okay, here we go. Hang on
Speaker 4: your ear boy. You know we're you know, we're gonna draft,
Speaker 4: and you know that's the way it is. I think
Speaker 4: the further you get back into the draft, maybe you
Speaker 4: have a little bit more of that sense of calmness
Speaker 4: about your board, but the big top of your board
Speaker 4: is probably going to be a little chaotic right now.
Speaker 2: When you're trying to look for the sure thing, you
Speaker 2: don't want to make a mistake. You not want to
Speaker 2: make a mistake because you can see how that'll set
Speaker 2: you back.
Speaker 4: And this is why to me, like a guy like
Speaker 4: Ashton Genty, if you look at him and people say,
Speaker 4: aren't you worried about the carries, well, you know, if
Speaker 4: you go back and look at the history and we
Speaker 4: work with a guy Ive three the Fan, Gavin Dawson
Speaker 4: went back and looked at college carries for backs and
Speaker 4: you know, a heavy workload and on, it doesn't affect
Speaker 4: them if you look at the names and the numbers
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. So no, I don't worry about that.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to draft the best football player at twelve.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to do, regardless of the position,
Speaker 4: and it just so happens that Ashton Genty might be
Speaker 4: that guy. You could talk all you want about position
Speaker 4: value and all that crap, but when you look at it,
Speaker 4: you know you're trying not to make a mistake with
Speaker 4: that first pick. You're trying to get the guy that
Speaker 4: can help you right now. And so that's why I
Speaker 4: would you know, I have so many questions about this
Speaker 4: offensive line, not the Cowboys offensive line, the college offensive line.
Speaker 4: When you start to tell me about here, I'm wearing
Speaker 4: University of Texas colors. Banks, Tommy, you could tell me
Speaker 4: all about the kid. You know, I still have questions
Speaker 4: about him as a player, I really do. And I
Speaker 4: have questions about my LSU guy Campbell, and I can't
Speaker 4: I you know, Booker, the guard from Alabama seems to
Speaker 4: be my best guard right now unless I move Banks
Speaker 4: to So you know, there is a lot of things
Speaker 4: that these teams are having to deal with right now.
Speaker 4: And this is why to me, Ashton Genty does make
Speaker 4: a lot of sense because I feel like he is
Speaker 4: the best player with the least amount of holes in
Speaker 4: him and probably the least amount of bust factor to
Speaker 4: his game.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, and I don't want to
Speaker 5: get us too far off track. Does that top heaviness
Speaker 5: in this draft and only there being a smaller.
Speaker 4: Questions not top heavy questions? Questions, questions?
Speaker 5: Does that make you want a parachute back from twelve?
Speaker 3: Not if one of those dudes are there, Like if
Speaker 3: Genty's there, Yeah, there's like probably four or five guys
Speaker 3: there there. I'm not peris there has to have it
Speaker 3: has to be the sure thing. But otherwise, yes, it does.
Speaker 3: We'll take to our point.
Speaker 4: Then we're sitting there, all right, We're sitting there in
Speaker 4: the draft and where we've laid chum in the water
Speaker 4: the last few days. We're told everybody, hey, listen, see
Speaker 4: your guy, come on, we'll we'll listen to We'll take
Speaker 4: calls and all that. Okay, they take Carter, they take Graham,
Speaker 4: they take McMillan, they take Genty. Who we trading up for?
Speaker 4: Who we trading up for? You know, if I'm in
Speaker 4: the back of the draft and I'm thinking who am
Speaker 4: I going to, there's got to be a player there
Speaker 4: that they want. Yeah. See that's what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't want to sit there and bail and not
Speaker 4: get value for my pick. That's what I worry about
Speaker 4: the most. Dallas did it. They got away with it
Speaker 4: with the Travis Frederick Draft. They lost the player ahead
Speaker 4: of them, They blew the hatches. They went for the
Speaker 4: bottom of the ocean. They went from eighteen to thirty.
Speaker 4: They should have got a second round pick. They got
Speaker 4: a third round pick because they were willing just to
Speaker 4: get out of there, for just to get out of there.
Speaker 3: Here's the scenario in which I consider doing this, and
Speaker 3: it's to get another running back. I'm starting to becoming
Speaker 3: and I've talked to Brian about this on our show.
Speaker 3: I'm nervous. You're going to see a high run on
Speaker 3: running backs here, and it's for everything we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Running backs are going to be some of the safest
Speaker 3: players here. When you look at cale, the best players
Speaker 3: on the board. Yeah, at Amrion Hampton out of North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Even Trevon Henderson out of Ohio State is getting first
Speaker 3: round type of buzz right now because people look at
Speaker 3: him think his game is going to translate. He's going
Speaker 3: to be a better NFL pro than he was in college.
Speaker 3: He dominated the college football playoff the pass protection. He's
Speaker 3: a three down back and you look at kind of
Speaker 3: and I phrased as you're navigating minefields here. I don't
Speaker 3: want to just take a risk and a guy like
Speaker 3: a Shamar Stewart from A and M. I'm having a
Speaker 3: big time difficulty with him crush at the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 3: I watch the tape, I'm like, man, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of nerves here. There's a lot of physical traits that
Speaker 3: you like about the kid. There's splash plays, but I'm
Speaker 3: not seeing the gold down out consistency. No Walter Nolan, right,
Speaker 3: And where am I playing Shamar Stewart? Is he a
Speaker 3: defensive end for me? Is he a five technique for
Speaker 3: another team? See a three tech for I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't feel great about that. But if I'm moving back,
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, now, are you going to have one of
Speaker 3: those backs there at forty four? So if I take
Speaker 3: the parachute, it might be thinking, you know what, even
Speaker 3: if it's not matching the trade chart, I can pick
Speaker 3: up an extra three. Maybe I can make up for
Speaker 3: my four. But I'm probably doing so thinking I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go ahead and just take Kale Johnston. Iowa, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: fill my running well.
Speaker 4: Why why do I feel like though that that Johnson
Speaker 4: and Andre and the guy at Hampton and those guys
Speaker 4: are all gonna be gone? And maybe it might be
Speaker 4: Henderson at forty four, and Henderson might be gone before
Speaker 4: forty four. See and if on my board now I'm
Speaker 4: picking a third round back at forty four, you know now,
Speaker 4: I don't know how you guys have your board set
Speaker 4: up right now, or how you have your your stack.
Speaker 4: But to me, all of a sudden, I'm like thinking,
Speaker 4: I was thinking running back at forty four. I was thinking, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe Henderson, Henderson. I might be lucky to have anybody
Speaker 4: in this on my board. In the second round, I'd
Speaker 4: be looking for four running backs. Four running backs could
Speaker 4: be gone. Yes, when when I get to forty four. Now,
Speaker 4: if it doesn't happen that way, okay, here we go.
Speaker 4: But I gotta be prepared that those running backs are
Speaker 4: better than you know. I think there's a good group
Speaker 4: of one technique defensive tackles. I think there's some cornerbacks
Speaker 4: that you can look at right there and be comfortable with.
Speaker 4: You know, those are kind of the positions I haven't linebacker, no,
Speaker 4: you know, but see if I'm bailing, what am I
Speaker 4: looking to get if I bail? Maybe maybe the guy
Speaker 4: and we just had this really, you know, this conversation
Speaker 4: about wide receiver earlier before the show was about does
Speaker 4: now does Golden come in the picture from Texas? Sure?
Speaker 4: You know, does all of a sudden, note, you're probably
Speaker 4: gonna lose three receivers. Golden will probably be the fourth
Speaker 4: receiver on my board. But if you get if you
Speaker 4: drop down, say from twelve to you know, to twenty,
Speaker 4: and start and pick up a couple of picks, try
Speaker 4: and get your four back, maybe get another three. Now
Speaker 4: now we're sitting there. Now, now we're looking at Golden
Speaker 4: and and maybe maybe somebody.
Speaker 2: Risks from all miss Yeah, I think there's a couple
Speaker 2: of names there. The one thing I want to ask about,
Speaker 2: because you're not making me feel great about.
Speaker 3: The gent even being there at twelve?
Speaker 2: So is there an under the radar position that we
Speaker 2: could possibly see available or even a possibility at twelve?
Speaker 3: Is there a guy at corn?
Speaker 2: Is there anybody a cornerback that you would feel comfortable there?
Speaker 2: Or is that a parachute out? Same thing with edge?
Speaker 2: Is there an edge I'm sure you would feel comfortable
Speaker 2: with or is that a parish?
Speaker 5: The only corner that I would be happy with a
Speaker 5: twelve unless Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: Just somehow shocking Lee drops ye.
Speaker 5: Would be jodd a Baron from Texas. That would be
Speaker 5: the And I don't think they're going to take him
Speaker 5: that high, or anybody would take him that. I think
Speaker 5: he's that good of a player. I think he's a
Speaker 5: top ten player in this class, but I don't know
Speaker 5: if he's if he's going to be their guys totalized.
Speaker 3: I've seen some mixed like scouts. I think bottom round
Speaker 3: in the versatility he brings to you.
Speaker 4: Oh, I watched one hundred and seventy pound guy play
Speaker 4: at Kansas Corn. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant, Yeah, I love like Ryan. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I think twelve. It's probably going to be high for
Speaker 3: some teams. But that would be the only corner because
Speaker 3: you've got you got Revel's coming off in a cl
Speaker 3: notre Dame Kiper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a bad You don't think Will Johnson
Speaker 2: from Michigan's going to be there.
Speaker 4: See everybody has Will Johnson, Will Man I do not have.
Speaker 4: I don't have Will Johnson. I think it's gonna come
Speaker 4: down to how fast Will Johnson can really really run.
Speaker 4: I think there's times when you watch him play zone
Speaker 4: and all that and you're totally comfortable. You can watch
Speaker 4: him with last year cover Marvin Harrison and feel good
Speaker 4: about that or you know, but I will Will Johnson
Speaker 4: started as one of these this guy's and now he's
Speaker 4: this guy. Stark started as one of this guy, and
Speaker 4: now he's one of these guys. You know. That's what
Speaker 4: Michael Williams started out as one of this guy and
Speaker 4: now he's this guy. You know, I just named three guys.
Speaker 4: I really don't feel totally comfortable. I feel more comfortable
Speaker 4: with Stark's over Johnson over Michel Williams. If you had to,
Speaker 4: if you had to, just hey, what did you see
Speaker 4: on tape? Yep? You know I can say if I
Speaker 4: if I traded back, if I traded back, I would
Speaker 4: consider Starks the safety.
Speaker 3: I consider Starks. I'd look at some of these defensive
Speaker 3: tackles to one text, like a Kenneth Grant. Grant Kenneth
Speaker 3: Rant come into play there. I do like Derek Harmon.
Speaker 3: Harmon's my number two guy. I wonder how they feel
Speaker 3: about him. But the one edge.
Speaker 4: Nolan scar the hell out of me. If but and
Speaker 4: I think he could be great, they could. There's absolutely
Speaker 4: be great.
Speaker 3: He I mean, the athleticism that he's got is going
Speaker 3: to tantalize people. And you saw some of that in
Speaker 3: the in the practices out in mobile right. I just
Speaker 3: didn't see the consistency, but I can see the flashes
Speaker 3: as to what people would love man flash. But to me,
Speaker 3: I mean I put Nolan in the second round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw more consistency from Schamar Stewart out there
Speaker 2: than I did from Walter Nolan. The only edge play.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would pound the table for Mike Green.
Speaker 2: And I've talked to him. You've talked about that.
Speaker 3: You know, Green would be an edge And if Jalen
Speaker 3: Walker was there at twelve, See.
Speaker 2: I'm a little I like Mike Green a lot, but
Speaker 2: I'm a tiny bit worried about his longevity as well,
Speaker 2: just from not seeing Yeah, a little banged up throughout
Speaker 2: sometimes it's in the Sun Belt. He also played in
Speaker 2: the Sun Belt. And are you going to take a
Speaker 2: guy in the top twelve that you feel good about that?
Speaker 2: Who's I mean he had a great Senior Bowl week,
Speaker 2: don't He started at Virginia though he did?
Speaker 3: He did, yeah, and he and he dominated it. I
Speaker 3: mean like it would be. Hey, Khalil Mack played at Buffalo, right,
Speaker 3: true to me?
Speaker 2: To me, that dude, just you think that's the same
Speaker 2: player though every potential Mac that played at Buffalo, there's
Speaker 2: or five for sure for sure.
Speaker 4: And you have to watch the Marcus where I saw.
Speaker 3: The dominance from Mike Green when I watched him to
Speaker 3: where I'm not worried about that, but but I see
Speaker 3: the argument. Jalen Walker is interesting to me though, like
Speaker 3: if he was there at twelve because he if seems
Speaker 3: to see him as an off ball guy, that's somebody
Speaker 3: that can cover two needs for it.
Speaker 5: That's gonna be my question. Where do you guys see Walker?
Speaker 3: I see him as an edge.
Speaker 5: I see him as an edge too, But I think
Speaker 5: you can kind of have some fun with him when
Speaker 5: you look back at the specifically the Texas game where
Speaker 5: they played in the in the regular season. What they
Speaker 5: did with him kind of as a spy, I thought
Speaker 5: was really interesting. It kind of reminded me of what
Speaker 5: the Cowboys did with Demarvion Overshot. And that's not a
Speaker 5: player comp by the way, right right, I'm just comparing
Speaker 5: the schematically what they did, just kind of having him
Speaker 5: lurk around there, and I mean, he's he's QB spying
Speaker 5: quinn Ewers. Quinn Ewers is not a runner, but he's
Speaker 5: still there. At any time quinn Ewers was outside of
Speaker 5: the pocket, he just gave him hell and that's why
Speaker 5: he had, you know, such a good game. And there
Speaker 5: was one snap where when they when Texas brought in
Speaker 5: Arch Manning, who is known for his speed and known
Speaker 5: for his ability to get away. He chases him down,
Speaker 5: he runs them down and brings him down for a sack.
Speaker 5: So I think that his speed kind of gives you
Speaker 5: that element. But what what does he give you at edge?
Speaker 5: Does he give you a consonant ability to win at edge?
Speaker 5: Would be my biggest question.
Speaker 4: Betides, there's going to be a problem. That's what the
Speaker 4: scouts will tell you, though. I mean, he might just
Speaker 4: get He's a hell of a player, he might get
Speaker 4: beat down if you play him full time edge, he
Speaker 4: might get beat down, like he just remember saying that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I talked to I talked to a couple
Speaker 4: of scouts that have the Southeast and you know, I said, hey,
Speaker 4: what about Walker, and a couple of them we're talking, Hey,
Speaker 4: inside linebacker, off ball linebacker, situational type of rusher.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: But you could play him, like you said, Tommy, you
Speaker 4: could play him in coverage, you could play him downhill,
Speaker 4: you could play him off the edge. You know, there's
Speaker 4: a lot to like about him as a particularly as
Speaker 4: a player. But man, the picks just ahead of me
Speaker 4: are scaring the hell out of me, you know, not
Speaker 4: from the fact that they're going. I'm kind of hoping
Speaker 4: though some of these guys do go, so I don't
Speaker 4: have to worry about it, you know that. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, but I think there's some people, and this
Speaker 4: is going to sound crazy, I think some people out
Speaker 4: there that are hopeful that Genti's off the board before
Speaker 4: Dallas picks. People just don't want just people, just people
Speaker 4: in joke, nobody. There's people that like, do not want
Speaker 4: Dallas to take a running back in the first round,
Speaker 4: and they're just hopeful, Wow, if Dallas, if Gent's off
Speaker 4: the board, that takes Jerry out of the mix from
Speaker 4: having to make that call, you know. I mean they're thinking, like, well,
Speaker 4: you know, hey, if if we if we take him, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be too happy about that. That's some people.
Speaker 4: If he's not there and we don't have to make
Speaker 4: that decision, you know, but you're gonna have to live
Speaker 4: if he goes somewhere else and shows up, you know,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to live with that.
Speaker 2: It'll be Barkley two point zero again. You know, you
Speaker 2: didn't have a chance to draft him.
Speaker 4: But no, it would give.
Speaker 3: It would give kind of that same thought of like, man,
Speaker 3: you could have done.
Speaker 4: So okay, let me ask you this. This is just
Speaker 4: how real quick, how much we got time? We're good?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, we can go a little bit, all right,
Speaker 3: real quick, okay.
Speaker 4: On my third round board Sampson, Tennessee, Harvey, UCF, Junkins,
Speaker 4: Ohio State, Neil, Kansas, Scautaboo, Arazon running backs all third round.
Speaker 4: If you had to take one of those guys at
Speaker 4: forty four, who would you take?
Speaker 3: Name those it one more time?
Speaker 4: Sampson, Tennessee, Harvey, UCF, Jenkins, Ohio State, Neil Kansas, Scautaboo
Speaker 4: from Arizona State. That's on my board. But if I
Speaker 4: had to take one of those guys, I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Genti's gone, Hampton's gone, Henderson's gone, Johnson's gone.
Speaker 4: If say I had to take a running back out
Speaker 4: of that group, which group? Which guy would you take?
Speaker 2: Either Samson or Johnson? Samson from Tennessee or Johnson? You
Speaker 2: have no shot at oh you're saying he's off the board.
Speaker 2: He's off the board. Sampson, Harvey, Jenkins, Neil Scataboo, I
Speaker 2: would do Samson. It'd be Harvey or Judkins for me,
Speaker 2: and I think I think i'd go with Harvey.
Speaker 4: Wow, why'd you say that with clinched teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because honestly, the guy that i'd wait on is
Speaker 3: the Case State back.
Speaker 4: Oh see Gettings drives me nuts because I don't think
Speaker 4: he could run fast. I love him.
Speaker 3: DJ Giddens, Yeah, I love him. I like, I don't
Speaker 3: think Judkins runs fast, but I think he's faster than
Speaker 3: I kind of.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: So I saw him run away from some people.
Speaker 2: I kind of like Blue and Brooks. Blue from Texas
Speaker 2: and Brooks from Texas.
Speaker 4: Tech's interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, see Brooks, I think he's gonna go way later
Speaker 3: because he can't run.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, but.
Speaker 3: He's a three down back. But I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: taking him at forty four.
Speaker 4: Okay, here's a big difference.
Speaker 5: If we're talking about three down backs, then you take
Speaker 5: Judkins from Ohio State. That would be my pick. But
Speaker 5: if you kind of want more versatility, I'd take Devin
Speaker 5: Neil from Kansas. I think he's one of the better
Speaker 5: receiving backs, if not the best receiving man.
Speaker 4: Why do you guys hate Dylan Samson from Tennessee. I don't.
Speaker 4: I got it. I got him. I got him. On
Speaker 4: top of all, I think he's better than all that's
Speaker 4: an explosive player right there. Yeah, and I love jas.
Speaker 3: He's a creator and you don't have that.
Speaker 4: He is a creator.
Speaker 3: People argue for Harvey all day though, But I like
Speaker 3: Harvey's a creator too. I just don't think he has
Speaker 3: that same juice that Samson does. He lets you know
Speaker 3: that Samson's got rear juice. Yeah, some of the running
Speaker 3: backs this draft, but I think Harvey probably is the
Speaker 3: second most explosive out of the guys that you named
Speaker 3: for me. And he's also tough as hell, Like he
Speaker 3: could be the Bucky Irving of this draft.
Speaker 4: You could also eat a sandwich off the top of
Speaker 4: his head. He could.
Speaker 3: But I'll fight for that K State kid man. And
Speaker 3: you got their offensive line. Man, somebody knows better.
Speaker 4: Put your name next. Seriously, though, what do you think
Speaker 4: he's gonna run four or five?
Speaker 7: Five?
Speaker 4: I think it's fetch I think.
Speaker 3: He'll be a little faster than you're giving him credit.
Speaker 4: Four or five. I mean you go four, four nine.
Speaker 4: I tell you what I'm gonna go four five for him.
Speaker 4: We send you to Manhattan. You can time him and
Speaker 4: get him at thirty eight. Arm, I'm gonna go quick
Speaker 4: flicker on this boy. That's a that's a drivable distance.
Speaker 4: We see. Yeah, watching I do a show, as people know,
Speaker 4: and and Wotch loves Gettings.
Speaker 3: I like him too.
Speaker 4: He loves him and I and I'm watching him get
Speaker 4: fetched and I'm like, man, I can't do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah I can't.
Speaker 4: I mean I I don't have him. I like I said,
Speaker 4: I like Hunter from Auburn a lot a lot more
Speaker 4: and I like the Dark. I like Hunter alone.
Speaker 3: The Runners is a tough runner.
Speaker 4: Now I can't say his last name mcgonig. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: just magic Guynguy, Guy, I'll never.
Speaker 3: I'll remember that now, Manungang God for your time.
Speaker 4: Guy.
Speaker 3: That's a good last name.
Speaker 8: Guy.
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Speaker 3: we come back.
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Speaker 2: with a good friend of ours, mister Kevin K. T.
Speaker 5: Turner.
Speaker 2: Hey Kazel, I'm trying to find his tweet where to go?
Speaker 2: Maybe he deleted it. His question ered, is did watching
Speaker 2: the Eagles defensive line dominate the line of scrimmage Sunday
Speaker 2: make you want to rule out taking a running back
Speaker 2: in round one and lock in some more defensive line
Speaker 2: or offensive line help. So, I think we've already kind
Speaker 2: of established covered about the offensive running back and offensive line.
Speaker 2: The defensive line was dominant. Does it shift your thinking
Speaker 2: somewhat in that first round about possibly taking a defensive
Speaker 2: lineman because of the way the Eagles dominated up front.
Speaker 5: I'm of the opinion that you can never spend enough
Speaker 5: capital on your line of scrimmage, so offense or defensive
Speaker 5: line in the first round with this running back class.
Speaker 5: If you wait till the second or the third, even
Speaker 5: if there is a run, I think you can you
Speaker 5: can get by. I think you can. You can look
Speaker 5: for a Hampton or a Caleb Johnson in the second round.
Speaker 5: You can look for, you know, a Devin Neil or
Speaker 5: an Olie Gordon or some of the other guys we
Speaker 5: talked about TOAJH Brooks, Damian Martinez from Miami's the name.
Speaker 5: We didn't mention. You could wait for that in the
Speaker 5: third round, and I think you can get by. But
Speaker 5: if we're talking about defensive line first round, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm still gonna stand on the table for Walter Nolan.
Speaker 5: I understand, you know, the concerns and you guys' points,
Speaker 5: but I think I think this.
Speaker 4: Guy is the real deal.
Speaker 5: He's got real power. Yeah, you know, he's hard to
Speaker 5: block one on one. That's the problem is so much
Speaker 5: of his tape he's getting double team and triple teamed,
Speaker 5: and even at the Senior Bowl. I mean he's got
Speaker 5: two three guys on Himkyle, and we talked to him.
Speaker 5: The first question I asked him was how sick and
Speaker 5: tired of you or being double teamed?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like, and he thought he was going to see single
Speaker 2: coverage or I guess man to man and quite a
Speaker 2: bit during the Senior Bowl and he was disappointed to
Speaker 2: realize he got triple team at one point.
Speaker 5: He didn't. He just didn't. And so you know, I
Speaker 5: think that's a testament to what he can do. And
Speaker 5: again I understand the concerns and he's not the biggest guy.
Speaker 5: He's more of an athlete. But I would love with
Speaker 5: Walter Nolan, you know, in the first round, I would
Speaker 5: you know, I would be fine with the Kelvin Banks
Speaker 5: from Texas. He's my OT one. I think he's the
Speaker 5: best tackle in this draft. And you can have the
Speaker 5: discussion about whether or not you want to move him
Speaker 5: to guard. I think that you know, wherever you put
Speaker 5: him on there, you got your best five out there,
Speaker 5: You got your best five offensive lineman out there, and
Speaker 5: you make it work. And Banks, I think he's fine
Speaker 5: as Yeah, I think he's good as a tackle.
Speaker 3: You know, the safest offensive lineman in this draft is
Speaker 3: it's Donovan Jackson from Ohio State. I have zero doubt
Speaker 3: that dude's going to.
Speaker 2: Be a good NFL player at guard, at guard or
Speaker 2: at guard for sure.
Speaker 3: At tackle, what he did in the playoff was very impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he handled some really good rushers. Donovan Jackson's the
Speaker 3: guy that we haven't talked about a lot, and at
Speaker 3: twelve it might be a little rich, but in an
Speaker 3: offensive line class that we're like, I don't know, is
Speaker 3: this guy at guard? This dude's done it both and
Speaker 3: he's played at a high level. I think he is
Speaker 3: a plug and play if you want to move him
Speaker 3: at right guard, if Zach Martin retires, if you end
Speaker 3: up in a situation where you end up reshuffling. I
Speaker 3: think Jackson is a guy that's going to be a
Speaker 3: good pro and I don't have a question mark about
Speaker 3: that about him missing. Like, if I had to go
Speaker 3: offensive line, I think that's the dude that I would
Speaker 3: bank on. If my job is on the line and
Speaker 3: I can't miss, I think i'd probably put Donovan Jackson
Speaker 3: on the top of my list.
Speaker 4: Toma like Jackson too, Tommy, would you take Nolan over Banks?
Speaker 5: It's a good question.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm trying to gauge where you are here. You
Speaker 4: take Banks over Okay, Okay, now I know I don't
Speaker 4: have to take Nolan. I would definitely take Banks over
Speaker 4: Nolan because he's not going to fight for Nolan over Banks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so you would take Banks, I would take Banks. Would
Speaker 4: you take.
Speaker 5: Will Campbell?
Speaker 4: Yeah? L s U.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying Joey's Banks your top lineman.
Speaker 5: Banks is my top tackle. Okay.
Speaker 4: Where do you have Booker from Alabama at guard?
Speaker 5: Best guard?
Speaker 4: Yeah? He's my number one guard.
Speaker 5: To then Jackson's too.
Speaker 4: Okay. If I told you I had Banks over Booker
Speaker 4: at guard.
Speaker 5: At guard, I'd agree with you.
Speaker 4: Okay, Banks over Booker.
Speaker 5: Hasn't played a snap of guard in college. His second
Speaker 5: college game ever was against Will Anderson shut him down. Yeah,
Speaker 5: as a fresh true freshman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you watch some of the late playoff stuff.
Speaker 4: There was some struggle.
Speaker 3: I think he was battling with that with an ankle.
Speaker 5: He's battling an ankle, and quinn Ewers didn't really help
Speaker 5: him out a lot.
Speaker 4: Come on, Tommy, talk me off this ledge.
Speaker 6: But I.
Speaker 3: Like some of that, like play fighting through some injury,
Speaker 3: like we got to we just had conversations about the
Speaker 3: guy they just took in guiding right, like differences about
Speaker 3: being hurt, uh and injured? Are there any of those
Speaker 3: same question marks with Banks?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. This guy's gonna play if he can see.
Speaker 4: I like what you guys are talking about with Jackson
Speaker 4: from Ohio State because.
Speaker 2: I love I mean, that kid to me is like
Speaker 2: and you said a little growing on me and more
Speaker 2: you said a little rich for twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you're talking about a trade back scenario.
Speaker 2: Or just even at twelve, we've seen if they have
Speaker 2: a guy that they like and they would stand on
Speaker 2: the table for they would be fine drafting him a
Speaker 2: little bit higher than the rest of the league sees them.
Speaker 3: They've done that at offensive line before they did alignment.
Speaker 3: Reach that I'd reach on him. That would be your
Speaker 3: that would be my guy to reach. Interesting.
Speaker 4: Okay, how about way real quick? Yes, Zach Booker or
Speaker 4: Grant Michigan tackle booker Booker, Ty Williams, Ohio State Booker.
Speaker 2: Booker, Harmon Harmon. Okay, so Harmon's your number one. He's
Speaker 2: my number two guy behind Mason Graham. Wow, Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: all's waldough asked the question, and of course, Brian, you're
Speaker 2: the creator of this term ice cream draft. Yeah, ice
Speaker 2: cream flavors. It's all about different flavors of ice cream songs.
Speaker 2: You do the work, enjoy the ice cream exactly. Is
Speaker 2: this draft the biggest example of an ice cream flavor draft?
Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of names, but the same names
Speaker 2: will not be viewed the same through the eyes of
Speaker 2: many different people.
Speaker 3: Is there another draft that you remember like this?
Speaker 4: Nope, I don't. I mean, we've had some. This draft
Speaker 4: is as wonky at the top of it as I
Speaker 4: can imagine, because I have in my mind. I your
Speaker 4: offensive tackles, we just went through those. We just went
Speaker 4: through your guards. There's no centers to speak of in
Speaker 4: this thing. The running backs, I mean, pick a flavor,
Speaker 4: Pick a flavor. I tried to get you guys there
Speaker 4: at forty four to take one of my guys, and
Speaker 4: you know I got. I got three different flavors from
Speaker 4: you guys. Yeah. So yeah, it's going to be that
Speaker 4: way with the edges. It's going to be that way
Speaker 4: with the defensive tackles. Cornerbacks. You want a tall one,
Speaker 4: you want a skinny one, you want a short one.
Speaker 4: Want one that plays zone, you want one that plays man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean they're pretty much a it's pretty much a
Speaker 4: kind of pick your flavor group when it comes to
Speaker 4: this draft. So yeah, it's I can't remember one that's
Speaker 4: been It's kind of a bad situation to be up
Speaker 4: at twelve right now, to be honest with you, without
Speaker 4: the without the depth, without the depth, I think this
Speaker 4: is what we're like.
Speaker 3: Dang, and I'd like to be in the top five
Speaker 3: there maybe so I can just know.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm going to get as Graham, get Carter
Speaker 4: or Graham, one of those guys, and you'd feel great
Speaker 4: about it, you know. And hell I felt great about
Speaker 4: Simmons until I heard he was a Betel attendant. He sinks,
Speaker 4: you know, and then I'm like, Okay, now I don't
Speaker 4: feel so great. But here we are, uh.
Speaker 2: Ask Coofax asked the question, if the Cowboys trade for
Speaker 2: a veteran wide receiver, we're not allowed to say names here,
Speaker 2: we're not veteran wide receiver. Would that allow them to
Speaker 2: go elsewhere like defensive tackle, running back, offensive line in
Speaker 2: any order through those first three rounds.
Speaker 4: Or would you still want to draft a wide receiver? Okay,
Speaker 4: let me ask you the question, what are we giving up?
Speaker 4: And we don't know it's okay, what's your level of
Speaker 4: comfort for using one of your picks to go get
Speaker 4: a wide receiver one of your top three because you
Speaker 4: don't have a four. Yeah, it would have to be.
Speaker 4: I think I would feel pretty good.
Speaker 5: I think that if you're looking at twelve, you know,
Speaker 5: in a Buka Matthew Golden, if you look at forty five.
Speaker 4: I'm asking, what are you willing to give up? Trade?
Speaker 4: And like, okay, we're minus our four right now.
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm not I'm not sending that third because then
Speaker 2: we're sitting on the board watching all these names rattle
Speaker 2: off over and over.
Speaker 4: And okay, we're probably not getting a great I got.
Speaker 4: I got a bunch of fives, so I definitely guys,
Speaker 4: sound like, okay, you guys, sound like then we just
Speaker 4: need to draft. I don't draft. I think I would draft.
Speaker 4: All right, I like it. There we go, Yeah, answer
Speaker 4: that question. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, if you want to go a receiver in the
Speaker 3: first round, you name a Mech egg Book guy.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 3: I think's he'd be a tremendous compliment. If you want
Speaker 3: to go in the second Golden in.
Speaker 4: That mixed too. By the way, at twelve, Golden should
Speaker 4: be in that mix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Golden, Golden's a hell of a player. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've got him as my wide receiver. If you traded back,
Speaker 3: if I moved back, I'd absolutely take Golden. If he
Speaker 3: was there at forty four, that'd be a dream. How
Speaker 3: do you stay?
Speaker 4: I don't think. How do you stack him?
Speaker 3: I've got McMillan one, Hunter at two, because I've got
Speaker 3: Hunter on my board is both a wide receiver and
Speaker 3: a corner. I got him in my top corner. I've
Speaker 3: got it a little interested. I'm I'm, I'm that's that's
Speaker 3: high in my opinion. I love receiver. Yeah, he's my
Speaker 3: corner one. I think for wide receiver, he's he's just
Speaker 3: a playmaker. He is, but a second on Hunter as
Speaker 3: a wide receiver. Okay, I've got a Booka at three,
Speaker 3: Burden at four, Golden at five. Okay, those are my
Speaker 3: top five guys.
Speaker 4: How much did Besh help himself from the seniors? Helped him?
Speaker 2: Bes Besch put himself like at forty four, if they
Speaker 2: took me, it's a great story. But that guy's tough
Speaker 2: now watching like we talked yesterday.
Speaker 3: We saw mak where it was Higgins the Iowa state
Speaker 3: wide receiver going second. I'd take Besh over Higgins any day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got mcmill and one, Burden two, Golden three,
Speaker 5: Trey Harris, Ole Miss four, an Oak of five.
Speaker 4: What's your love with these old miss kids?
Speaker 3: Like I got Harris at six right, Like I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think that like that stack looks bad because
Speaker 5: like a book at five, if he's the fifth receiver,
Speaker 5: whoever's getting him is getting a steal. Like there's not
Speaker 5: a ton of separation between those guys. I just love
Speaker 5: the film on Trey Harris. I think he was fantastic
Speaker 5: when he was healthier.
Speaker 2: The uh that's the one one bugaboo for Trey Harris
Speaker 2: that I have health is the health was a concern
Speaker 2: and his route running wasn't perfect.
Speaker 3: But I can I think you can teach route running.
Speaker 4: Do we got that save on Williams too high from
Speaker 4: t I think I'm not high on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he kind of had a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks where he was buzzing. And now you're seeing Jalen
Speaker 3: Royal's bats. His teammates overtaking him. The guy that does
Speaker 3: nobody talks about is uh a Yoman or out of
Speaker 3: Soca Stanford. He's underrated, man. Yeah, he just finds ways
Speaker 3: to get open. He's not flashy, great and he's great.
Speaker 4: And terrible terrible quarterback player, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wide catch radius six two two ten. That's a
Speaker 3: true X for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I wonder now with the new receiver coach like
Speaker 3: Tes Johnson, does he get a bump at least in
Speaker 3: the Cowboys mind Oregon?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, and in that dude, the quick feet, I mean,
Speaker 3: what he did at the Senior Bowl was really impressive,
Speaker 3: But for me, I thought he was more of a
Speaker 3: third round guy too.
Speaker 4: Voch tried too, tried to put me in a choke
Speaker 4: hold on that one too.
Speaker 2: I have him in the third, Yeah, I still have
Speaker 2: him in the third. A lot of the stuff he
Speaker 2: did at the Senior Bowl was great and I loved it.
Speaker 2: I saw somebody and I thought this was very accurate.
Speaker 2: I would give credit if I've remembered who it was.
Speaker 2: They called it TikTok routes where he was one on
Speaker 2: one and it was That's what a lot of it
Speaker 2: looked like it was sloppy footwork, just trying to get open.
Speaker 3: But he's so athletic that once he grains it in,
Speaker 3: he probably still has.
Speaker 2: His speed is next quick, next level, and you got
Speaker 2: that change of direction, his lateral ability, it's impressive.
Speaker 4: But yeah, guy would put him in a third.
Speaker 5: He's got the footwork to where when you refine that
Speaker 5: and you get him to NFL routes and not TikTok routes,
Speaker 5: he's going to be I.
Speaker 2: Have him as wide receiver eight right now. I like
Speaker 2: that range for them. I have him at eight, all right.
Speaker 2: A couple of questions there. One more before we take
Speaker 2: our break. Not that you would want to, but since
Speaker 2: we're in the Dallas media market and crazy trades apparently
Speaker 2: happen here, Ben wants to ask, what is, in y'all's opinion,
Speaker 2: the realistic trade value of one Micah Parsons?
Speaker 3: What is the trade value?
Speaker 2: What would you need to see if you got the
Speaker 2: right offer draft weekend in order to make it happen.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we want to go down this path.
Speaker 4: Being and we work on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I
Speaker 4: just hot from my fans.
Speaker 5: I can't think of anything that would make me want
Speaker 5: to do just.
Speaker 3: A hypothetic but that, but that could be the answer
Speaker 3: to is I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to be a minimum of two first.
Speaker 3: I think that's like, I'm not talking to you if
Speaker 3: you're not at least willing to pony up two ones and.
Speaker 2: This year or multiple years. Does it have to be
Speaker 2: two ones right now? It can be a one this year,
Speaker 2: it can be a one next year, but it's going
Speaker 2: to be more than that. But we're not even I'm
Speaker 2: not even Yeah, we're not chatting if you're not willing
Speaker 2: to at least go to first. What would if I
Speaker 2: were to call you right now and just say, hey,
Speaker 2: I've got to first, what else would you need?
Speaker 4: Anybody have to? Well, you're gonna have to. It's gonna
Speaker 4: probably be there's nobody has two first, right yeah, because it's.
Speaker 3: I'll take a one this year, give me a one
Speaker 3: next year. I mean, honestly, I'm like, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get three ones if I can for a guy.
Speaker 4: Like I'll tell you what if you're a team, if
Speaker 4: you're a team that has a one and a good
Speaker 4: young wide receiver. Mm hmm, I consider going I would
Speaker 4: consider taking a pick, and I would consider taking a player,
Speaker 4: maybe the player at need. I would consider taking a one.
Speaker 4: Who are your linebackers? Who are your young linebacker?
Speaker 3: Linebacker?
Speaker 2: A corner?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Who are your young defensive tackles? Yeah? Who you know?
Speaker 4: I'm maybe hunting another? Maybe a guard. Who who's your
Speaker 4: You got a young guard there that I kind of like.
Speaker 4: I would consider instead of taking the next year's one,
Speaker 4: I would try and get a player right now that
Speaker 4: I know could help me play. It be a starter,
Speaker 4: So then I could take that one and then go
Speaker 4: ahead and use the player they gave me. But it
Speaker 4: have to be a young player that I kind that
Speaker 4: I thought enough of that I think could be a starter.
Speaker 4: So maybe a wide receiver, maybe an offensive lineman, maybe
Speaker 4: one of these defensive tackles, maybe a linebacker with it.
Speaker 4: Once I would probably look at right now.
Speaker 5: If I'm even thinking about it, which I'm not clarify.
Speaker 5: I look at the trade that Carolina and Chicago had
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, where Carolina trader for the
Speaker 5: number one overall pick to take Bryce Young, Chicago got
Speaker 5: back a first and a second in the twenty three
Speaker 5: draft of first and a second in the twenty four
Speaker 5: or first in the twenty four draft. They use that
Speaker 5: on Caller Williams that a twenty five second round pick
Speaker 5: and DJ Moore. So if you give me a proven
Speaker 5: wide receiver to first two seconds, I'll at least but
Speaker 5: I'm still not to see.
Speaker 4: This is the thing that teams probably would not want
Speaker 4: to do this make a trade with you like that
Speaker 4: for because they're going to give you a one or
Speaker 4: maybe multiple ones, and they're going to have to pay.
Speaker 3: The player they have to turn around and give them,
Speaker 3: So that that would be.
Speaker 4: That was going to be something that probably is going
Speaker 4: to deter teams from doing it. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: I would be very open to, like looking at your
Speaker 4: roster and picking a player off your roster to go
Speaker 4: along with that one is what I would consider.
Speaker 2: So you would you would be okay with it not
Speaker 2: being multiple ones? Yes, if the players, if the player works.
Speaker 4: Now, if it's a situation where you feel like that
Speaker 4: that you know, maybe you maybe the next year's one.
Speaker 4: I would like to get somebody that I could get
Speaker 4: right into my system and help me pick fill a
Speaker 4: hole that I could kind of use that player as
Speaker 4: kind of like a one or two that I don't
Speaker 4: have to spend, you know that I could, I could,
Speaker 4: I could don't have to draft that position. Now I've
Speaker 4: got a guy, you know, I've got the one to
Speaker 4: draft a position or potentially even trade up to twelve.
Speaker 4: Take what you got and move that thing up. And
Speaker 4: if you want to try and replace him with Carter
Speaker 4: or somebody like that, by all means, that's that's probably
Speaker 4: the avenue you want to go. Yeah, it's interesting, it
Speaker 4: really is. It's gonna have to replace him though, Yes
Speaker 4: you have to because he's he would be gone.
Speaker 3: And then you've got d Law that's a free agent. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden pass rushers up. Then that's
Speaker 3: your time one of your number one needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to happen there. All right, we're
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Speaker 2: we've been watching recently getting back on the air.
Speaker 3: Who's who have you watched recently that stuck out to
Speaker 3: you as a DJ?
Speaker 2: Gettens from Kansas State for Zach Wolcheck, is that the
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Speaker 2: We got Zach Bullsht, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the
Speaker 2: back of Kyle Yeomans. I want to know, since we've
Speaker 2: been away, we've been doing Senior Bowl, we've been super Bowl,
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl, whatever it. Maybe over these last couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: who's let's catch up a little bit. Who's been the
Speaker 2: best guy you've watched over the last couple of days. Tommy,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you, maybe not the best guy, but
Speaker 2: the most fun guy. Ola Dejo, Yeah, U c l
Speaker 2: a edge.
Speaker 5: This kid is phenomenal. We talked to him with the
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl, and you know, when you look at the
Speaker 5: start of the season, they kind of used him at
Speaker 5: linebacker and figured out very quickly that that's not where
Speaker 5: he was best, so they moved him outside linebacker. He
Speaker 5: talked about it, and after that he was he was
Speaker 5: on when the rest of the season finished, with seven sacks.
Speaker 5: I think he played the best in UCLA's biggest games.
Speaker 5: You know, you look at the Penn State game that
Speaker 5: he played against Minnesota, which guy's got a good offensive line.
Speaker 5: They've got urs Thry the tackle that we've talked about
Speaker 5: a couple of times late in the season against usc
Speaker 5: Is when he was at his best, and then at
Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl he kind of showed that he can
Speaker 5: be versatile and moving a bunch of different places. He's
Speaker 5: built like a Greek god. I mean, he just looks fantastic,
Speaker 5: and you know, whether it be off the edge or
Speaker 5: whether he moved inside, And he was talking to us
Speaker 5: about how he likes kind of moving along the inside
Speaker 5: when he's against the guards in the center, just because
Speaker 5: they're the least athletic lineman on the field and he
Speaker 5: takes full advantage of that. And he did all week
Speaker 5: in Mobile. So if you guys haven't watched him yet,
Speaker 5: I definitely would. I'm gonna go and find his official measurement,
Speaker 5: but I think it's around like six three two fifty.
Speaker 5: He's got long arms. Hold on. I'm pulling it up
Speaker 5: here right now.
Speaker 2: If there was just why you find that, if there
Speaker 2: was one guy that I could have said improved his
Speaker 2: draft stock in my eyes more.
Speaker 3: It was him.
Speaker 4: It was Ola Dea Joe, and I think it was
Speaker 4: old Joe. Yeah, Bejo Joe.
Speaker 3: I asked him that after Joe Joe Yeah, with a
Speaker 3: it's like a banjo.
Speaker 4: Ok Joe, good Joe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, Mighty Joe Young.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is that what it is?
Speaker 4: What are you trying to confuse everybody?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I joined like everybody's explaining that you're over there like
Speaker 4: playing Mighty Joe Young.
Speaker 3: I love Mighty Joe Young. It's hell of a MOVIEJD
Speaker 3: go back, DJ Giddons, Baby, that's my dude.
Speaker 4: Yes, he was Brian so wrong about that. Won't be
Speaker 4: the first time.
Speaker 3: Golly, you really do need to get your eyes checked.
Speaker 3: I need a new prescription over there.
Speaker 5: You measured in at six zero two six two sixty
Speaker 5: one pounds uh nine six eight hands, thirty three inch
Speaker 5: arms and eighty inch wingspan.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a nice wing span. Oh, I'm telling you
Speaker 3: he's physically right.
Speaker 5: A lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Did you guys watch Johnny Walker Junior out of missoo?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Great name Shrine Bowl?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, so stood out to me in the Shrine Bowl practices. Listen,
Speaker 3: this guy's got some men to him. He's slippery, he's
Speaker 3: dominating everybody on one v ones and you watch him
Speaker 3: captain nine and a half sacks at missoo, pretty good
Speaker 3: against the run, can set the eggs. Played well in
Speaker 3: the big games, Yes he did. Johnny Walker Junior, number fifteen.
Speaker 3: If you want to watch the Missouri Tiger tape, I
Speaker 3: know Brad Sham has it for you. Just ask Stags
Speaker 3: has got you Johnny Walker Junior. And there were several
Speaker 3: guys that stood out the Shrine Bowl, but in terms
Speaker 3: of just edge rushers, he might have been the top
Speaker 3: guy for me.
Speaker 2: Listen, yeah, Brian knows this, Zach, you know this because
Speaker 2: we've been the NOBU before. What's what's mister Jones's drink
Speaker 2: of choice?
Speaker 3: Johnny Walker blue?
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: He has the chance to be the to do the
Speaker 3: funniest thing Aaron. But he's really he's a good player.
Speaker 2: But it would be he's he's worth it. It would
Speaker 2: be kind of a mid round pick. Is something that
Speaker 2: would be interesting. You need an edge rusher.
Speaker 4: I like that, Johnny.
Speaker 3: I like that Johnny Walker Junior. I like him.
Speaker 4: Good player. Darius Alexander from Toledo has been my.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the real deal. He's a safety, right yeah,
Speaker 5: defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm thinking of the different to least another defensive
Speaker 3: tackle we've got.
Speaker 4: This kid physically looks the part. He's got the traits.
Speaker 4: He plays with power. He can rock these mac blockers
Speaker 4: off the line of scrimmage, and he put him in
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl. He was rocking those guys as well,
Speaker 4: you know, those guys from the other schools, the big schools.
Speaker 4: But there's some snaps where he does come off the
Speaker 4: ball a little tall, but he will walk his guy
Speaker 4: back into the quarterback. He can be tough to handle
Speaker 4: one on one. I think the thing is one of
Speaker 4: the best things I see about him is playing that
Speaker 4: run one on one, double teams, it doesn't matter. He
Speaker 4: holds his ground, he works past blockers, he gets his
Speaker 4: feet in the ground, he uses his hands, he plays
Speaker 4: with leverage, the fit, the control, the lateral movement. I
Speaker 4: mean this kid right here. There's some questions. There was
Speaker 4: some questions about his motor talking to some scouts and
Speaker 4: how he might kind of run hot and cold. But
Speaker 4: when he is on he could be tough to deal
Speaker 4: with his kid's got huge potential. Darius Alexander defensive tackle
Speaker 4: three technique from Toledo, hundred and four pounds.
Speaker 2: Eighty two inch wingspan, rare big man interception to two
Speaker 2: this past season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love a good big man.
Speaker 3: Did he rumble a little bit in Rumble big Man?
Speaker 4: Rumble?
Speaker 3: Max and hook is the Toledo safety.
Speaker 2: I remember looking at him at the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 2: just saying like, Oh, there's another Toledo safety, thinking of my.
Speaker 4: Guy, Barry church beck In.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, anybody else that you guys want
Speaker 2: to hit on that you've watched recently.
Speaker 5: Stick with the defensive tackles. I like what I saw
Speaker 5: out of a nice peebles, a tech tackles. He you know,
Speaker 5: at with the Hokies. He was kind of more of
Speaker 5: like a past rushing guy in the interior, but I
Speaker 5: thought he was great against the run of the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: He had a couple of good days of practice. So
Speaker 5: that would be one another one that stuck out to me.
Speaker 5: In a defensive tackle class that we're talking about that's
Speaker 5: pretty loaded. I mean, the only thing that would concern
Speaker 5: me is he's a little bit smaller. He's only six
Speaker 5: foot to eighty nine seventy seven inch wingspan, So I
Speaker 5: think that's that's worth the concern. But played pretty well.
Speaker 4: I thought, I like that one.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put Zi alex Ander on the table.
Speaker 4: Brian, you're LSU tiger? Yeah? Uh do you? I was
Speaker 4: I was going to ask you a good corner. I
Speaker 4: meant to text you about it. Do you like what
Speaker 4: he brought to LSU?
Speaker 6: Just?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 3: General, I know we had some ups and down.
Speaker 4: He did and you know, you guys remember you maybe
Speaker 4: you don't. There was a player that Cleveland took in
Speaker 4: the third round in the twenty two draft called Martin,
Speaker 4: named Martin Emerson. Yeah, yeah, okay, this kid reminds me
Speaker 4: of the state, right, Yeah, he reminds me.
Speaker 3: He's been pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he reminds me a little bit of Martin Emerson
Speaker 4: the way he plays. And so, I mean, he's played corner,
Speaker 4: he's played safety in his career, and you know he's
Speaker 4: he's a transfer from Southwestern Louisiana. The length, the size,
Speaker 4: all that stuff is really kind of impressive about him.
Speaker 4: But I think the thing about is he doesn't have
Speaker 4: really much ketchup speed or deep speed. And there were
Speaker 4: a couple of receivers that really just ran right by him,
Speaker 4: and it struggled to catch up. Watching the Old Miss game,
Speaker 4: the USC game, and the Alabama game. It's kind of
Speaker 4: ran by him a couple of different times, and I
Speaker 4: kind kind of that worries me a little bit about him.
Speaker 4: But at six is what I'm working on right now.
Speaker 4: I haven't updated my measurements from the same Bowl games
Speaker 4: and stuff like that yet. I don't think he played
Speaker 4: in the end. Yeah, well, okay, within six I've got
Speaker 4: he's got the size, he's got the length down the field,
Speaker 4: competitive player. I just don't know about the I think
Speaker 4: the lack of speech will show up at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: I have the same thing, says not a flyer with
Speaker 2: his speed will give up separation if he loses at
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. Needs some seasoning when it comes
Speaker 2: to spacing in zone coverage and timing at the line.
Speaker 3: Uh. And then he's got had a little bit of
Speaker 3: an injury history.
Speaker 4: Those are my cons.
Speaker 3: My pros are all around corner with a mean streak
Speaker 3: of toughness. He plays downhill. He had a big hit
Speaker 3: in that South Carolina game.
Speaker 4: I watched that.
Speaker 2: He worked downhill they gave it to a tight end
Speaker 2: in the flat, and he came and laid the hammer
Speaker 2: on the tight end. Much bigger player than he was.
Speaker 2: Didn't look like it left little concern. After returning from
Speaker 2: that injury, still elevated his game. Controlled on the boundary
Speaker 2: with fluid hips and great length. Frame would fit well
Speaker 2: in any scheme because he, like you talked about it
Speaker 2: as the link he has. The frame consistency was the
Speaker 2: first thing I looked at. If he was on the field,
Speaker 2: I thought he played pretty well other than giving up
Speaker 2: that separation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just doesn't have the speed.
Speaker 4: He doesn't need to run at the combine. He waits,
Speaker 4: he needs to wait till they have their pro dam
Speaker 4: bat baton rouge, do it, run downhill a little bit,
Speaker 4: do the best. It's funny, you said, Martin Emerson. He
Speaker 4: was one of the guys that kind of had in
Speaker 4: my comp area. I put Jalen Watson on here. You
Speaker 4: remember him out of Washington State, plays for the Chiefs,
Speaker 4: plays agent player.
Speaker 2: He'll get burned every now and again, but he'll stay
Speaker 2: steady and he will help in the run game, right,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of when I and there, I think
Speaker 2: they're comparable in size. I haven't looked at Watson's size yet, uh,
Speaker 2: but they were kind of similar in that regard. I
Speaker 2: watched old Miss Alabama South Carolina. Kind of different or
Speaker 2: almost the same thing, just a different usc is what
Speaker 2: Brian did. But I wanted to bring him up because
Speaker 2: I was impressed with him. And if Dallas is looking
Speaker 2: for a second round, third round corner at forty four,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would be uber upset about it
Speaker 2: if he's there in the third, I would be ecstatic.
Speaker 3: If he's your picking the third.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you guys watch Jordan Phillips, the defensive lineman
Speaker 4: from Maryland. Just saw kick ass Shrine Bowl him and West? Okay,
Speaker 4: and then what did you like more? Just real quick?
Speaker 5: C J.
Speaker 7: West?
Speaker 9: She's c J.
Speaker 4: Wes Moore. I got West over Phillips. That's why I
Speaker 4: was gonna ask you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like CJ.
Speaker 4: Wes Moore, but Jordan Phillips is good.
Speaker 3: Jordan Williams is an offensive tackle slash guard out of
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech, and I asked Dane about him because I
Speaker 3: thought he was my best the best offensive lineman at
Speaker 3: the Shrine Bowl practice. East a pole out of Washington State.
Speaker 3: Another interesting guy, can swap left right tackle. But Jordan
Speaker 3: Williams like body type to me, moves really well, quick feet,
Speaker 3: won a lot of the one on ones like you're
Speaker 3: playing those practices like the defensive tackles you mentioned. Phillips
Speaker 3: and West had some big dudes like Nizzier. Stack House
Speaker 3: out at Georgia was another one of these guys.
Speaker 4: Uh New center was huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got his name. But to me, Jordan Williams, you're
Speaker 3: talking about day three, you want to take a flyer
Speaker 3: on a kid? I asked Dan, like, where do you
Speaker 3: think he'll go? Frounce five through seven, six, six, three,
Speaker 3: fifteen does have some injury issues, which I think is
Speaker 3: what's gonna knock him on this. But he just played
Speaker 3: all thirteen games this past year at right tackle, third
Speaker 3: team all acc there for the Yellow Jackets. I'm a
Speaker 3: fan of his as a flyer on Day three. I
Speaker 3: think there's athleticism there that you can work with pretty
Speaker 3: good hands, and I was impressed with him during those
Speaker 3: practice drills on the one v ones.
Speaker 5: Speaking of the Shrine Bowl, what do you guys think
Speaker 5: of Tyler Barron out of Miami.
Speaker 4: Boy, I struggled with him a little bit I thought
Speaker 4: that to me with Tyler Baron, though there was some
Speaker 4: It's one of those where you watch him play really
Speaker 4: really well for two or three plays and then he
Speaker 4: doesn't play well at all and then rush down the
Speaker 4: middle and things like that. I wanted to like him initially,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't warm up to him. He probably deserves
Speaker 4: to be higher on my board than is because I
Speaker 4: think I had him in the fourth round, and I
Speaker 4: know there's a lot of people that think that he
Speaker 4: might be second or third round guy. But the tape
Speaker 4: I watched, I just could not warm up up on
Speaker 4: him at all, to the point where I was like,
Speaker 4: where's this consistency with him?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was underwhelmed with what he did want like
Speaker 5: Miami at my but I thought he had a good
Speaker 5: week at the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 4: He was solid at the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 2: But there's so many inconsistencies on his tape and he
Speaker 2: doesn't have anything that just stands out if it's almost
Speaker 2: like the Master of.
Speaker 3: None sort of scenario, like he doesn't have one thing crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, you would think that he you know, he
Speaker 4: would make more plays, and he just didn't.
Speaker 3: Those linebackers were good at the Shrine Bowl the cow
Speaker 3: Kids like Teddy Buchannon. He was pretty impressive to me.
Speaker 4: Williams.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean both. I mean you look at all.
Speaker 3: So now now they're pumping out some good or U
Speaker 3: c LA. She's been there pumping out some good linebackers
Speaker 3: in this draft. I liked Chandler Martin as a Day
Speaker 3: three flat mephis Memphis jack dude.
Speaker 4: He had one.
Speaker 3: He had one of the plays of the week, just
Speaker 3: ripping a ball away from a wide receiver. Chandler Martin stocky,
Speaker 3: shorter to kind of build, but thumper.
Speaker 2: He had an interception in their bowl game too, in Frisco.
Speaker 2: He was just down the road. They're playing West.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Had he had a He had like eleven tackles in
Speaker 2: a pick in the game and ended up playing well.
Speaker 2: He played well from Memphis all year long and just
Speaker 2: never really got the spotlight draft wise because he's small.
Speaker 3: It's like five to ten.
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna measure five to ten. But he's yeah,
Speaker 2: he schway's downhill. He'll make it happen. All right, gentlemen,
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