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Speaker 1: hey girlfriend, So I just watched uh your new videos.

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Speaker 1: Damn you look good from the neck up. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: pretty good, sister. I thought you looked good from the

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Speaker 1: top of your head to the tip of your toes. Well,

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Speaker 1: I feel good, you know. You know, as girls, you know,

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Speaker 1: we go back and forth lock to with us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: mine's mostly going forth, not going back so much, you

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Speaker 1: know what. I'm on a new program called give Yourself

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Speaker 1: a Break. There you go. Yeah, that's the program we

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Speaker 1: all need to be on. Back to you, back to

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Speaker 1: your music, Back to this new song that we're playing.

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Speaker 1: Keeps me alive. I love it. I love the the hunting, soulful,

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Speaker 1: just love that pours out that well. I'm trying this

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Speaker 1: new thing called vulnerability. Sideline Winona is tender headline. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to be well, we're out. We're already alpha females.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're running our own business. We're doing things

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Speaker 1: our way because we somehow got the message that we

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, one day, my kids left

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is life. This is this is

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Speaker 1: started to write and record songs that come very close

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Speaker 1: to my situation in life, as we are autobiographical and

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Speaker 1: as an artist. I don't know, I just let it fly.

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Speaker 1: I guess I just started singing from a different place.

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Speaker 1: This is the deal. You know. The heart has all

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Speaker 1: I have this angst time in my life where I

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Speaker 1: remember singing from my toe nails from a place of pain.

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Speaker 1: I had, you know, years where I was flying high

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Speaker 1: You're not a victim. I know you. I know that

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't negate the fact that there was incredible

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Speaker 1: And you know that's just weird, Delilah, that's just a

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Speaker 1: And you're right, it's a strange, uh life to try

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Speaker 1: love you. I love you too. Dwilah, slow down and

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Speaker 1: live some more. Where you live