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Speaker 1: Mmmmmmm. Welcome to the State of the Lakers podcast with Roj.

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Speaker 1: You guys know him as at Unwritten Rules on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Rog Good morning man, how are you doing so far today?

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Speaker 1: Good morning. We got the All Star break going on here,

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Speaker 1: so we're all kind of in a break as well. Um.

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Speaker 1: Drake dropped some music yesterday, so that was fun. I

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Speaker 1: saw you a slow listen to it. So so it's

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Speaker 1: a good morning here in Cali. Yeah. I woke up

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Speaker 1: at four twenty this morning, as I usually do on Monday, Wednesday, Friday,

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Speaker 1: to play basketball, and I was it helps to have

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Speaker 1: something like that when you're having trouble waking up in

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Speaker 1: the morning. Um. Since you and I last talked, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers had an impressive win against the Warriors, one that

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Speaker 1: you and I predicted based solely on the fact that

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Speaker 1: we knew Dennis Shudder was so valuable to everything that

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Speaker 1: the Lakers needed to do, especially as it pertained to

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Speaker 1: their roles and guys kind of slotting into their proper roles.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course, immediately after that, Marcusol goes into

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Speaker 1: health and safety protocols, which we don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: on with that yet, and Kyle Kuzma has a heel contusion,

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Speaker 1: and so right when we could have had a pretty

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Speaker 1: good indicator of the of the Lakers, you know, with

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Speaker 1: Dennis against the better team than the Warriors and the Suns,

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Speaker 1: they go out there completely undermanned and lay an egg

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Speaker 1: and lose to the Suns. And then Lebron sits out

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Speaker 1: uh the other day against Sacramento and they take a loss.

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Speaker 1: So not too much to take away from that. Fields

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Speaker 1: especially frustrating when you factor in the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Jazz have tricked off four their last seven games and

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Speaker 1: the Clippers have been losing, and there was kind of

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Speaker 1: an opportunity here to get back in the mix of things.

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Speaker 1: Could be worse at this point in the season than

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Speaker 1: being a half game back of first place and a

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Speaker 1: half game back of second place and in three and

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Speaker 1: a half games back at first, But it did feel

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Speaker 1: kind of like a missed opportunity. We are going to

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Speaker 1: save everything having to do with like a total season,

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Speaker 1: you know, rehash of the Lakers for next week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, as we're in the All Star break, uh,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna just kind of we'll we'll, we'll do

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Speaker 1: a mail bag. We're gonna do some player grades. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do everything under the sun, just kind of rehashing

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Speaker 1: the whole season, but we kind of want to focus

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Speaker 1: on But today we're gonna focus on just what happened

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Speaker 1: in this last week, and then we're gonna focus on

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Speaker 1: a little bit of what we think roster upgrades might

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Speaker 1: look like for the Lakers. So my first question for

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Speaker 1: Ross to start this off today is, yesterday I sent

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Speaker 1: out a pole and all I did was set out

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Speaker 1: a pole. People were mad at me, and I literally

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Speaker 1: just asked a question, okay, and the question was would

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Speaker 1: you trade talent Horton Tucker for PJ Tucker. Now, the

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Speaker 1: context of that simply was me thinking that there will

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Speaker 1: probably be some kind of bidding war and you might

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Speaker 1: have to give up THHD maybe, And I'm not even

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Speaker 1: saying necessarily that's the case, but I knew that was

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Speaker 1: an option, So I was just presenting the question. So

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Speaker 1: my question for you is what was your reaction when

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Speaker 1: you saw that poll that I sent up? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was like, that's gonna be a pretty one sided poll.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have a Laker fans. First of all,

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Speaker 1: everybody loves th HT here and the Lakers aren't in

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Speaker 1: like a desperation mode, right, Like, if they're in a

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Speaker 1: desperate mode, then yeah, um they would give up tail

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Speaker 1: Horton Tucker. But he's I feel like he's shown too much.

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Speaker 1: He's also a part of Clutch. I mean, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to send him to a franchise that's that's falling off. Um,

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Speaker 1: Like I saw the treads somebody put up treads for

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Speaker 1: tuckers like thirty six, you know what I mean? Like you,

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Speaker 1: I just I would not want to send out twenty

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Speaker 1: year old t HD for p J. Tucker. So when

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Speaker 1: I saw that, I was like, man, people are gonna

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Speaker 1: but I used to be that it was Kuzma, you know,

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Speaker 1: So the whole premise for my whole, you know, devil's

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Speaker 1: fact that the margin for error for the Lakers this

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Speaker 1: year is less than it was last year, which is

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Speaker 1: crazy because the Lakers got better. But the problem is

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Speaker 1: is everybody around the league got better. You know, the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: We we've kind of slandered them at length on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: in addition to other podcasts that have been on. But

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Speaker 1: the truth is is that with Nick Potuman and Surgebaka,

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Speaker 1: they're a better basketball team. Not to mention, any team

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Speaker 1: don't believe in p J Tucker necessarily as a as

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Speaker 1: But he's not keeping up with those wings at that

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Speaker 1: And I feel like the Lakers have players like that.

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Speaker 1: Um Wes Matthews is probably not as good a shooter,

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Speaker 1: there are a place that people are gonna want to

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Speaker 1: how much is he playing in a Brooklyn Net series? Guy? Really?

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Speaker 1: Like that's a team to me that I want to

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where you're looking at here. You

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Speaker 1: That's where my issue was with p J Tucker. So,

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Speaker 1: but how much is talent Horton Tucker going to be playing? Like,

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Speaker 1: are a number of different things that that make it complicated.

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Speaker 1: For instance, talent Horton Tucker's salary doesn't match up with

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Speaker 1: kind of like move that to anyone else. Um, I

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Speaker 1: wonder if that's more like the exception than the rule.

429
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Speaker 1: But um, the guy I was looking at his Blake Griffin,

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Speaker 1: I think we were going to kind of segue to him.

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Speaker 1: Um I went because NBA dot com you can go

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Speaker 1: and like look at every assist, right, so you can

433
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: go and look at guy's assist and they'll just video

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Speaker 1: out the assist and the look at is like they're

435
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Speaker 1: very generous with the assists. So like Blake Griffin would

436
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: have like a six assist game and four of them

437
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: are literally him just swinging to Jeremy Grant who does

438
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Speaker 1: like a three dribble move up and under layup, and

439
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he really didn't do anything with that,

440
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 1: and like a lot of them are of that. Or

441
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: he'll just like kick it to a shooter and he'll

442
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 1: pumping step back three and he'll get the assist for that.

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Speaker 1: So I went and try to rewatch the Laker Students game,

444
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Speaker 1: and that's the game I think Blake actually tried. I

445
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: think he's gonna try against those big, big opponents, and um,

446
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Speaker 1: what I saw is like it's a guy that he's

447
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: obviously lost his athleticism, but he's a guy who can

448
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: hit open threes, he can run a little bit of

449
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: pick and roll, he can handle it. Um, he plays

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Speaker 1: a lot out of the post, which I think kind

451
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Speaker 1: of fits this team. I would like to see him

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Speaker 1: next to a guy like a d That's the guy

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Speaker 1: I think I would like to go for. He's like

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Speaker 1: thirty two years old, kind of a really bad situation. Yes,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna like hundred percent check that, but I'm

456
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Speaker 1: pretty sure I checked that yesterday. Here's a reputation around

457
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Speaker 1: the league as a corpse. He's actually I gave him

458
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Speaker 1: an extra year. He's thirty one, so even even more. Yes, yeah,

459
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's crazy. So and I mean you

460
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: look at him. I mean he came to the league

461
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Speaker 1: even before DeAndre or after DeAndre Jordan. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: who's starting on the net. So I can see him

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Speaker 1: being a contributor. Again, he's a guy that's going to

464
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Speaker 1: get bought out. You don't have to really do much.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a like a low risk, high

466
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Speaker 1: reward kind of player. Um so yeah, I feel like

467
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Speaker 1: you that's the kind of guy. And again, like we

468
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Speaker 1: talked about with p J. Tucker, the minutes just aren't there,

469
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Speaker 1: Like Tres right now with all these guys out is

470
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Speaker 1: playing still played only twenty minutes of game with a

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Speaker 1: d out, Mark out still only playing like twenty five

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Speaker 1: minutes of game. So look, if you look at the minutes,

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Speaker 1: I just don't see they're being too many minutes there

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Speaker 1: to have on this team. That's the guy I would

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Speaker 1: like to see them go after, for sure. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating because like a Bloy Griffin move is kind

477
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Speaker 1: of an identity change for the team in a certain

478
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Speaker 1: sense because like you you you kind of tried to

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Speaker 1: to slot him into a combination of what you've been

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Speaker 1: giving minutes to uh to Keith and uh tres and Marcossol. Now, like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, like you can't count on on Blake Griffin

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Speaker 1: to be as you know, as active in rotations defensively

483
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: as him on tres Can. He doesn't have the motor,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the foot speed. Uh, you can't count

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Speaker 1: on him to be the same physical rim protector that

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Speaker 1: Marcos al is. He's not big enough, he can't jump

487
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: as high anymore. But what he does give you, in

488
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Speaker 1: my opinion, is kind of like a slightly better version

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Speaker 1: of what you've been getting from markueff Um. Like if

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Speaker 1: you think about what Mark Keith brings to the table,

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Speaker 1: which is like he's kind of a corner three point

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Speaker 1: shooter kind of guy. To He's he's done a good

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Speaker 1: job in post defense. He's that he has struggled in

494
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Speaker 1: in rotations. But if you if if the teams that

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Speaker 1: try to isolate markuef on the block like he actually

496
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Speaker 1: does a good job of holding his own. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think Blake would slot into that role perfectly. And

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Speaker 1: and I would argue that he's a little bit better

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Speaker 1: of a shooter and then a little bit better with

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Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. Is he as he puts

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Speaker 1: the ball on the floor. And again, everything has to

502
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Speaker 1: be quantified with the with the with the type of

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Speaker 1: shot quality that they're going to get. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are dead last and three point shooting over the

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Speaker 1: last fifteen games. The shoot about it's awful, awful, offul awful,

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Speaker 1: like horrific, horrific stuff. Um, but I think the main

507
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Speaker 1: reason for that has to do with the fact that

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Speaker 1: with a D out and with Lebron kind of being

509
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Speaker 1: on cruise control as of late, they're just not and

510
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Speaker 1: with Dennis being out for as long as he was,

511
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Speaker 1: they're just not putting any pressure on the rim, which

512
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Speaker 1: is not which is not creating the same high quality

513
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Speaker 1: looks that they were getting when A d was playing.

514
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Speaker 1: Because early in the season the Lakers shot well. And

515
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Speaker 1: so from that standpoint, like when everybody gets back, you know,

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Speaker 1: Blake Griffin is gonna be one of the guys that

517
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Speaker 1: gets left alone and you know, we're gonna transition here

518
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Speaker 1: in a minute to kind of talking about the Lakers

519
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Speaker 1: trapping defense. And you know, one of the points that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make is that you know, everybody talks with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers like you gotta make Eventually they're gonna make

522
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Speaker 1: these guys make shots because they're gonna, uh, they're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, trap Lebron or double Lebron and they're gonna

524
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Speaker 1: double a D. And the Lakers are gonna do the

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Speaker 1: same thing to other teams with their defense, which we're

526
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about in a minute. But the truth of

527
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Speaker 1: the matter is is that's how it's going to be

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Speaker 1: in a playoffs series. They're gonna they're gonna relentlessly attack

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Speaker 1: specific matchups with Lebron and a D and guys like

530
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Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, you know, are going to be able to

531
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Speaker 1: to make plays off the dribble in space as they

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Speaker 1: put the ball on the floor. And I think if

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Speaker 1: you can get him in the buyout market, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's obviously no way they're going to trade for him,

535
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Speaker 1: the salaries would be impossible, but if you could get

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Speaker 1: him in the buyout market, like I see him as

537
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: a pretty clean swap. The only thing that would get

538
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: trouble from there is then Markief almost entirely falls out

539
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: of the rotation, which makes it tough to kind of

540
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Speaker 1: figure out how you work that out because he's complained

541
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Speaker 1: in the past about not being in the rotation. Yeah,

542
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: and I think Blake would have to earn those minutes.

543
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, just on this team. He's not gonna come

544
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Speaker 1: here and kind of demand minutes, But you have to

545
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: earn those And if he's playing better than Markief, then

546
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: he plays. I mean that's just how it goes. Markief,

547
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: I think would understand that. Um, he started some games

548
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: in the bubble right in the playoffs and uh and

549
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: some games he didn't play. So that's how I see him.

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Speaker 1: Blake man like he was, he was a star in

551
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: this league. Like those kind of guys, I feel like

552
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: they're not just gonna go out off on a whip, right,

553
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: Like they're not just gonna fall out of the league.

554
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Like those guys want to prove something

555
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: we saw with Dwight Howard last year, and I don't

556
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: think Blake is even close. I think Dwight was a

557
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: lot closer to his athletic uh peak than Blake is

558
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: right now. But you know those kind of guys that

559
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: they know how to play, and uh, Blake's was never

560
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: like a great defender, but he's a smart defender. He

561
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: knows where to be, where he's supposed to be. He

562
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: doesn't put a crazy amount of pressure on the rim.

563
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Speaker 1: But what's interesting to me rewatching a few Pistons game,

564
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: which I don't recommend at all because those are not

565
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: fun games to watch, but people do send like doubles

566
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: at him still, which is kind of funny. Like, so

567
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: he'll go on the post and people will trap him, Yes,

568
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: and people will trap him even though like even the

569
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: numbers say again this the numbers test kind of thing,

570
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: but like the number say, shoot on turnaround jumpers. But

571
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: still people come and double him and he kicks it.

572
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: He makes the right play guys, cut off of it um. Again,

573
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: he gets some kind of what's called assists that he

574
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't get, but still like he makes the right

575
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: play um in those situations. So again, in that second

576
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: unit where offense is kind of struggling, I would like

577
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: him to kind of help that out. I think he

578
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: can be a he can be a secondary creator. But

579
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: when everyone's healthy. Yeah, I mean he might be a luxury,

580
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: but I think it's a guy that low risk, high reward.

581
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: Like you, you can if it doesn't work out, it

582
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, but he can kind of test it

583
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: and see if it does. Yeah, and you know he's

584
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: even setting basketball aside. Um. Blake's a star and he

585
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: belongs in l A, and I I it's on good

586
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: authority for many people that he wants to be here,

587
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: and thank God for Steve Bomber burning the bridge so

588
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: horrifically bad that he would never go back to the Clippers. Um.

589
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: So like I I would imagine. You know, I don't

590
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: have any intel on this, obviously I'm not the intel

591
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: kind of guy, but my gut tells me that he

592
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: will be a Laker um just by virtue of the

593
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: simple fact that there's intel out that he's gonna get

594
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: bought out and all signs point to l A. But

595
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: the one thing that's gets sketchy is there will be

596
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: a conversation with Rob Olinka and Frank Vogel at some

597
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: point talking about minutes. And as you and I both know,

598
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: there is there is significant evidence in NBA history of

599
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: buy out guys chasing minutes because they like to play basketball,

600
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: and so that'll be the interesting part. Like I, you know,

601
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: people would probably burn me at the stake for this too,

602
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: but I would consider trading Tres for some shooting if

603
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: I knew for a fact that Blake Griffin was coming, um,

604
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: just because of the fact that I think they only

605
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: have one additional buyout spot after Blake and uh um.

606
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: You know, in Montrese, to me, as good as he's

607
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: been this year, he's been exactly what we wanted him

608
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: to be, which is an innings eater, a guy that, yeah,

609
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: the Lakers on the short turnaround got blitzed by injuries

610
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: in COVID, And the truth of the matter is is

611
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Montrese was worth every penny to be the guy that

612
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: could eat up a lot of those minutes. But that said,

613
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: when push comes to shoves in the shove in the playoffs,

614
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see him as as that much of

615
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: an ass that whereas like you know, Blake's got tons

616
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: and tons of playoff reps and uh and his shooting

617
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: helps with spacing and that specific type of environment. And

618
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: then defensively they're not the same. But my guess is

619
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: that you could find a way to be similarly effective

620
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: with Blake defensively that you would with a mantres if

621
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, well my only issue, like I

622
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: saw a lot of like I would trade Tres on

623
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Twitter or whatever. Um, but I mean this is not

624
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: two K you know what I mean, Like we can't

625
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: like uh and also this is pleased with Clutch and

626
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: all those kind of factors go in and uh, yeah,

627
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: I just don't see it happened. He took a pay

628
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: cut to kind of be here, and I wouldn't even

629
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: think about it because there's just no way they're moving.

630
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: They're moving Tress, no chance at all whatsoever. But I

631
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't see it. It's it's way

632
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: too many things that would have to go wrong for

633
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: that to happen. Um, it was funny. I was seeing

634
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: like a Celtics fan being like, um yeah, I can't

635
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: even put Tristan Thompson trade room trade rorez because he's

636
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: a clutch guy and you can't screw over clutch, which

637
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was talking kind of facetiously,

638
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: but uh, that's kind of true. I mean these are

639
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: like relationships that people have built, you know, and it's

640
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: just no way that he was getting he would get

641
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: traded in my opinion, Um, he's he's a he's too

642
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: close with everyone, so I just don't see it, and

643
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: he's played too well. I just I just don't see

644
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: it happening. He's been as advertised and he hasn't complained,

645
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: he's he's done his role, so I just don't see

646
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: him getting moved. I would even argue he's been better

647
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: than I thought he would be. To be honest, it's

648
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: just it's more just like a fit thing. And you know,

649
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: and it may be as simple as like, you know,

650
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: because the Lakers shooting has been you know the problem

651
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: this last you know, a couple of months month really

652
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: and and really if you look at the way the

653
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: rosters built in their core lineups, you know, when k

654
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: CP is actually playing like k c P. You know

655
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: when when Wesley Matthews is shooting a league average like

656
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: he should at this phase of his career. Kyle Kuzma

657
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: has actually been better shooting the ball than he has

658
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: in years passed. When all these guys are actually playing

659
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: like themselves, they are what they should be, which is

660
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: an average three and shooting team that should shoot really

661
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: well at times because of the high quality at three

662
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: point shots that they get. So I I don't necessarily

663
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: see that as a problem. I'm just kind of floating

664
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: these kinds of things out there. In truth of the matter,

665
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: is with how old Marcosol is, and with how old

666
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin is, and with Anthony Davis being somewhat injury

667
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: prone this year, you know, Blake Griffin might be worth

668
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: having just for death at this position, which is which

669
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: is something to to uh uh to at least, you know,

670
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: takeing to to at least take a look at even

671
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: if you have to have a conversation with your players

672
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: and and be like, look like we're keeping you around

673
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: for debt um. So I wanted to talk about uh

674
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: you actually brought this up, so I should credit you,

675
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: but to talk about the Lakers defensive schemes. So you

676
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: had I'll let you actually lead this one off. So

677
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you had mentioned that you, uh had something you wanted

678
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: to say about the Lakers trapping the way they have

679
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: in the last couple of games. What did you have

680
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 1: in mind? Yeah, So it's funny because I remember when

681
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: we recorded last week, you said, uh, something like I

682
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: think fans are gonna be surprised how well they play.

683
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: When Shrewder comes back, I was like, well, I think

684
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: they'll play better and I think they played this good.

685
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: But just just like watching right but like, but for me,

686
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: like I focus on that Portland's and Warriors game because

687
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I feel like they really wanted those two and they

688
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: had all their guys pretty much there except for except

689
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: for a d obviously, and man, these trapped Like, to me,

690
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Stephan Dame are the most dangerous thirty plus shooters in

691
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: the league. Like, I don't know if there's anyone other

692
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: than that, maybe Luca when he's on, but Stephan Dame

693
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: to me are the ones you have to guard that

694
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: high up and uh, obviously step doesn't have the supporting

695
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: cast right now there this is Dame. But watching like

696
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Shrewder first of all, him chasing screens like this, Like

697
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: it's funny when people think about the trapping defense, they think,

698
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: like anyone can just trap, and it's just not It's

699
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: just not true that not every team can play this style.

700
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: So I was watching Shooter kind of chase Steph and

701
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Dame around these screens, and marcusol is at the level

702
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: of the screen, right, and you have Stephan Dame picking

703
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: the ball up like near half court, and now you

704
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: have like a four on three and I'm watching Lebron.

705
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: I forgot, like how much of a force Lebron can

706
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: be on defense when he's when he wants to. He

707
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: he hasn't really done it much this year, so you

708
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: kind of forget. But I think him and A d

709
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: are probably the best at this, and they're on the

710
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: same team kind of defending two guys at the same time. Obviously,

711
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: with the Warriors, I think he's played them a million times.

712
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: He knows their place. But even with even with the Blazers,

713
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 1: man he was blowing up those those coverages. So I

714
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: saw like the peak of what they can be. They're

715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: not gonna do that every night. They can't do that

716
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: every play, but just seeing their trapping schemes something they

717
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: have in their wallet that they've used last year that's worked, Um,

718
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's really cool to see it

719
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: see it work in these two games because I feel

720
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: like they really tried it. And again, this is all

721
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: without Anthony Davis, who to me is the the number

722
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: one in this who protects all things at the rim

723
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: and around around the basket. But yeah, I want to

724
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: see like your thoughts on that, because I really felt

725
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: like they wanted to defend those guys. Dame have like

726
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: twenty eight or some crazy number in the first half,

727
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: and then they really shut all that off in the

728
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: second half, and from there, I think they took that

729
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: into the Warriors game, and that Warrior's game was over

730
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: within the first five minutes. It was not a contest um.

731
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: So I want I wanted, you know, like, were those

732
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: shots that they were missing, like because they were giving

733
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: some open looks. I think Andrew Wiggins had a few

734
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: open threes and all that. But again, I feel like

735
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: they can control it. Right, if you just let Stephan

736
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Dame run high screen a role, they're gonna kill your

737
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: drop coverage and they're gonna kill your switches. But if

738
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: you can kind of control who's getting the shots, I

739
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: think because I was listening to the Warriors broadcast and

740
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they're just missing open looks, I was like, well,

741
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: there's a reason those guys are open right, making sure

742
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: Wiggins is the one taking the three with the hard

743
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: clothes out. So I kind of want to hear your

744
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: thoughts kind of on that. So, first of all, as

745
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: far as missing open looks go. I talked about this

746
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: specifically with Tommy yesterday, and it's actually a problem with

747
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: strictly analytical approach to two shot evaluation because they'll call

748
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: a shot a wide open shot because there's no defender

749
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: within six feet, but it doesn't account for how that

750
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: wide open shot was generated so or who it is.

751
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: So for instance, like if the shot is generated in

752
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: against the super physical def is that chases you off

753
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: the line and forces you into a couple of attacked closeouts.

754
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: By the time you're open, there's a fatigue element, you know,

755
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: in addition to the selective leaving of guys open. So

756
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: when you look at it's I don't think it's necessarily

757
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: a fair indicator of of of shot quality to just say, oh,

758
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: we have this many wide open shots, because if those

759
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: wide open shots are all in fatigued situations and all

760
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: given to average to blow average shooters, it's actually good defense.

761
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: And it always bothers me when analytics guys will undercut

762
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: a defense by saying like, oh, well, they're actually performing

763
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: way above uh they're expected three point shot quality defensively,

764
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: so they're benefiting from luck. So this defense actually sucks

765
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: Like that to me is that to me is dishonest,

766
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: and it just it just glosses over some basic, uh

767
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, principles of the way basketball actually works. And

768
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: as far as the trapping team goes. I brought this

769
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: up earlier. You know, the we talk about how teams

770
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: are gonna inevitably make Lebron and a D B passers, right,

771
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: that's just part of how playoff basketball works. Well, the

772
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that the Lakers have to

773
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: do the same thing to these other teams, especially in

774
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: the Western Conference, when you've got Dame and you've got

775
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray, and you've got Steph Curry, and you've got

776
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Here and Fox that you see

777
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: in a playing game or in the first round if

778
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: they happen to sneak in or there are just all

779
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: of these super super quick guards that are great at

780
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: at creating shots. I mean, Lou Williams is a guy

781
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: that they'll probably do it to some in the uh

782
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: in the Clipper series. But the truth of the matter

783
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: is is like that's their version of what some of

784
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: these other teams are doing to Lebron and A D.

785
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: When teams are doubling Lebron in the post or doubling

786
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: a d in the post. That's what the Lakers are

787
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: doing to these guards at the point of attack in

788
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: these pick and rolls. And so what I always look

789
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: at it as is you're you're accepting the fact that

790
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: you're going to give up a certain amount of shot quality,

791
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: whether it's a wide open shot for and Andrew Wiggins

792
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: or you know, a Nick Patuma or whoever it is

793
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: that ends up getting the shot. However, what you're hoping

794
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: is that the overall rhythm of the offense gets thrown

795
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: off by the fact that their star player, who usually

796
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: controls everything, is suddenly not getting the normal shot attempts

797
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and a bunch of inferior players are shooting the ball

798
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: more frequently. You hope that that throws them off. And

799
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: then secondly, this is something that you and I have

800
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: talked about at length, the Lakers thriving chaos they do.

801
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: And so you know the trap. The key with the

802
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: trap is, uh, if you aggressively trap out front and

803
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: you force the stepher a dame to throw a looping

804
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: like side arm kind of over the top pass to

805
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: the short roll guy, that time that it takes for

806
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: that past to connect is what allows you to pre

807
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: rotate or essentially like jump the gun in your rotations

808
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: and give yourself an advantage. And it almost allows for

809
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: that second defender on the on dame to get into

810
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: the flow and get back into the rotation. That's what's

811
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: so bad about this kind of half past thing that

812
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: they did for most of the first part of the season.

813
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: Or it's not a trap, but it's not drop coverage,

814
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: and you're basically just a no man's line because now

815
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: that pass to the short roll guy is a pocket pass,

816
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: and that hard bounce pass into that gap hits that

817
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: guy and you can't pre rotate, and now you're a

818
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: step behind through the whole process, and it just puts

819
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: you at a disadvantage. But the Lakers extensively used that

820
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: specific scheme against Portland last year and against Houston in

821
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and it worked. Then they had a problem

822
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: with with Denver having to do with the fact that

823
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: Yokis was so good in that short role. So they

824
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: did and this is what's so genius about it is

825
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: they put Lebron in that action with Anthony Davis, and

826
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: so they would run Yokis Murray pick and roll and

827
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: they would just switch it. And now Jamal Murray there's

828
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: a whole highlight reel of film of him trying to

829
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: attack Anthony Davis and Lebron and these isolations and and

830
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: not getting good shots, you know. And so that's what's

831
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: so devastating about what they do is they can trap

832
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: you and and survive in rotations. And if you're beaten that,

833
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: here are two of the best defensive players in the

834
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: world when they're engaged, and we're just gonna put them

835
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: on your two best players. Now, good luck running that

836
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: sort of action. Okay, you want to bring our worst

837
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: defender into the action, cool, I bet you he's on

838
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: your worst offensive player, and your worst offensive player isn't

839
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: smart enough to consistently beat us in that short role position.

840
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: Because that's the key. What makes the Warriors short role

841
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: work out of those traps is Draymond because he's making

842
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: the first play. What's making it work for Denver is

843
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: Yoki because he's making the first play. Portland Nurkics is

844
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: pretty good at it. But anybody else they put in

845
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: that spot, like like can't just can't make enough plays

846
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: out of that position. And so you actually that's what's

847
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: so beautiful about putting a Lebron in a D pairing

848
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: on your two best playmakers is now you've got to

849
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: run that action with an inferior playmaker and a guy

850
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: who's a little bit slow making a read and a

851
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: four on three. That's all it takes for your defense

852
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: to recover at that point. And the truth of the matter,

853
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: this is what's so nice about having Lebron in a

854
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: D two is Lebron and a d are so big

855
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: and physical that I don't care how many doubles you

856
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: send their way. They're still getting thirty points because of

857
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: their physicality around the rim, and there are specific spots

858
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: on the floor that it's suicide to double. But like

859
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: a guy like Dame or a guy like Steph, like

860
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: when you trap them, they literally have to give it up.

861
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: They don't have an option that's like, oh, I'll just

862
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: go post up, because that's the thing. If you try

863
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: to trap Lebron and pick and rolls, He's just gonna

864
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: go post up where it's a better spot for him

865
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: to attack double teams. Guys like Stephan Dame can't do that,

866
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: and so that that's kind of what I think is

867
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: so fascinating about the trapping defense is it's a specific

868
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: way to neutralize a star and force them to play

869
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: four on three in the back end. And as long

870
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: as you can force them to play four on three

871
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: with an inferior initiator, or you can switch that act altogether,

872
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: it allows them to shut down these teams. That's why

873
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: I think they looked so unbelievably dominant at stretches in

874
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. Right. And I like how you say,

875
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: like Anthony Davids kind of raises the ceiling for this defense. Right,

876
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: He's not like the the Anchors the speed right in

877
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: their guards. Their guards are fast as hell. Carusoe k

878
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: CP shrewder. Those guys are running around chasing Um, I

879
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: saw them. Depending they're the labor intensive guys in the defense.

880
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: They do the most work exactly. And it's all about

881
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: your point of attack defense, right. If you're just getting

882
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: blown by, it's gonna be hard to do anything. Um.

883
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: But they really keep guys in front of them. They stay,

884
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: they stay in front, and uh, that's the that's the

885
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: basis of this defense. You have Lebron also chasing around.

886
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: H posted a few clips against the Warriors and they

887
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: just took away every single action so the Warriors. The

888
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: Warriors are emotion offense. I know Warrior fans get mad

889
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: at that a lot that the Warriors are emotional offense,

890
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: but they're super heavy motion offense, and I feel like

891
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: that's where they have some wins because those are hard

892
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: to defend. Um. The Lakers are really good at switching

893
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: and getting out and I feel, I guess for t

894
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: HT struggles right because he's he is having trouble with

895
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: that kind of communicating and getting on the same page.

896
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: But when you have five guys that know what they're doing,

897
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: this team really locks in. And I was looking at

898
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: I think they still have like the third best defense.

899
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: I think Davis has missed sport teen games and in

900
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: those spoorteen games, they still have like third best defense

901
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: in the league, which is incredible. So they have the

902
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: first right now obviously overall, but just looking at it

903
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: in totality with the games he's missed. UM. So yeah,

904
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how they keep moving with that.

905
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: But it was awesome to see them lock in because

906
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: they haven't locked in in very many games this year,

907
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: but seeing see it against Portland and Golden State, I

908
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: feel like was a template they can use going going

909
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: forward well, and so to the to the point of

910
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: what you're talking about with the with the defense, like

911
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: there's there is a delineation in my opinion, between like

912
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: effort based regular season success, scheme based success, and then

913
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: like a playoffs ceiling success. So, for instance, there in

914
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: the regular season over the last two years, the Lakers

915
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: have actually been better defensively without a D on the floor. Now,

916
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't think a D actually hurts their defense. That's silly,

917
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: that's not at all what I'm saying. But in the

918
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: regular season, the effort of the guards at the point

919
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: of attack and in rotation and Frank Vogels scheming and

920
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: things along those lines, the consistency on that end allow

921
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: them to be an elite defensive team without Anthony Davis.

922
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: But then there's this whole other side of it in

923
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and the same thing goes on with offense.

924
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: We talked about you and I have talked about this

925
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: at length, Like offense is cute with like what Utah

926
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: is doing is cute, right, Like they're driving and kicking,

927
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: they're putting their you know, Rudy Gobert's roll into the rim,

928
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: and they're generating these threes or like what the Bucks

929
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: have done the last two years is like literally one

930
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: of the best offenses like ever that we've ever seen

931
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And but then all of

932
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: a sudden they get in the playoffs and that offense

933
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: like doesn't work, Like it just doesn't work. And the

934
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: it's because there's this delineation between the two. Like you

935
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: can try hard your way and just scoring points in

936
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: the regular season. You can try hard your way into

937
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: defending in the regular season, but once we get to

938
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs, there has to be like a tangible like

939
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: like identity to the way that that defense can succeed

940
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: against the best of the best. And you can see

941
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: that with the Lakers were like when like the truth

942
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: of the matter is when push comes to shove, If

943
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 1: you've got the Lakers down to one and you're going

944
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: into Game three and you think you've got a chance

945
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: to get to win there in the game is you know,

946
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: and it's a tie game in the fourth quarter, It's like,

947
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: here's what I know you're gonna see. You're gonna see

948
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: Dennis Showder hounding your point guard full court. You're gonna

949
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: see Alex Caruso flying around in rotations, You're gonna see

950
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: k c p out there flying around in rotations and

951
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: you've got Lebron and a d Good luck because when

952
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: that because when that group is out there, there's gonna

953
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: be nothing easy for you on anywhere on the floor.

954
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: And so you know that group, I don't even know

955
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: what their defensive rating is this year when the five

956
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: of them play together, and it's probably okay because with

957
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: the eight minutes have been weird this year because he

958
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been great. But the truth of the matter is

959
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: like when things really come down to that that moment

960
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: in a game, you know that specific lineup makes sense

961
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: in the way that they can guard. All three of

962
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: those guards are super quick and they play extremely hard,

963
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and they're great at the point of attack. Even Dennis

964
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: like will fight in a in a post mismatch, you know,

965
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: at least put in a position where the guy's a

966
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable, you know. But if I that, uh, you know,

967
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: a team like Utah for instance, it's like at the

968
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, like do you love Bogdanovitch out there?

969
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, guarding the other team's best player like Royce

970
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: O'Neil is pretty good, but he's not you know, he's

971
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: not that great in those specific matchups. You know, some

972
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: of the stuff doesn't make sense and translate to the

973
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: playoffs and and and then good luck on the other

974
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: end too, because you know what Lebron and n A.

975
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: D Are going to do to you offensively with that lineup,

976
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, with the spacing that it's provided. So it's

977
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: just different. It's important to draw the line between the two,

978
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, And and I like, I clearly don't think

979
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis hurts their defense in the regular season, but

980
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: but it's very it's obvious that what they can do

981
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: against the best of the best requires him to be

982
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: on the floor. Um yeah, anyway, yeah, yeah, exactly. And

983
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: their biggest trump card is a D at the five, right,

984
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: That's that's the one that no one's known in the

985
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: league has yet figured out how to stop. And I

986
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: don't don't see anything that has changed my mind on that.

987
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: Him and Lebron with the elite defense at the five,

988
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: them two can just run, screen and roll. They did

989
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: it I think against the Bucks to win that game.

990
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: They haven't really had to go and go to it

991
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, that's that's where it goes and you

992
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: have to stop that four out of seven. So I

993
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: saw something funny yesterday. I think it was a Raptors

994
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: fan was like telling Utah Jazz fans like a being

995
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: then one seed with Lebron in the same conference doesn't

996
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: really mean much because they've they've obviously been destroyed by

997
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: by Lebron a few times. So um yeah, I've seen.

998
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Seeing Lebron kind of shoot on Utah was kind of

999
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: hilarious considering they're the best team and they have like

1000
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: what eight losses and they've just run through the league.

1001
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see them play again. Utah obviously

1002
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: kicked our butt, but I want to see with a

1003
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: D healthy and see how that how that line up

1004
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: looks going forward. The as far as seeding goes, what

1005
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: matters most to me is not, uh, getting above Utah. Obviously,

1006
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I think it'd be fine. I mean, you don't What

1007
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: you don't want to do is put yourself in a

1008
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: situation where you know a guy's banged up and it

1009
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: has to sit out a game, and you lose a

1010
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: game in l A and now you've got to win

1011
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: two games in Utah. Like, you don't want to put

1012
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 1: yourself in that position, especially since knowing Utah, like, they'll

1013
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: probably have like fifty percent capacity fans by the time

1014
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: May and June coming around. So like I but but fortunately,

1015
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: like I think the Lakers are only a half game

1016
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: back being above everybody in the East. I don't know

1017
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: that for sure, but I think they are because I

1018
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: think Phoenix is a one full game ahead of them.

1019
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: And but anyway, so like, as long as they can

1020
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: have home court advantage against everyone else, I think it's

1021
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: worth going for. Uh, you know, because obviously against the Clippers,

1022
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: they'll probably have home games for every single game, but

1023
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, going into going into Milwaukee in the finals

1024
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: would suck, like if you had to do that four times,

1025
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: So like, why not at least go for it? But

1026
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: I agree with you, like Utah, Utah having home court

1027
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: isn't as big of a deal, and quite frankly, as

1028
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: you and I have discussed on this podcast a half

1029
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: dozen times, that it's just the worst possible matchup for them,

1030
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: And I don't think the Lakers are even the slightest

1031
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: bit scared of that particular matchup. But but I mean, uh,

1032
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what they go for. By

1033
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know if you saw, but the

1034
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: alert just came on my phone. Blake Griffin just got

1035
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: bought out. Oh really, Oh yeah, let's see. It's a

1036
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: six time also for Blake. Griffin has agreed to a

1037
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: contract by it with the Detroit Pistons and will become

1038
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent. Griffin has interest from many of

1039
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: the NBA's top playoff contenders and is expected to make

1040
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: a decision on his next team after conversations with prospective

1041
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: teams in the near future. That's very vague from for

1042
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure he knows where he's

1043
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: going in my opening, like those kind of those kind

1044
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: of people really know what they're know what's coming. I

1045
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: my gut is tell like, because it's just knowing Blake. Uh,

1046
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: why wouldn't he Why wouldn't he come here? I there's

1047
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: the thing again. The one thing that would throw it

1048
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: off would be minutes. Like all it takes is a

1049
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: team like Brooklyn calling Blake and being like, do you

1050
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: can play as much as you want here? You know,

1051
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: like something stupid like promising minutes? That could throw it

1052
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: off because the conversation with Frank and Uh and Rob

1053
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: is gonna go like this, Hey, Blake, you're our backup

1054
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: stretch five. That's what it is like the like Blake's

1055
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: not gonna take Mark out of the starting lineup, Like

1056
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: he's just not there. So you're backup five. You know

1057
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: there's minutes there, but you're a backup five. But if

1058
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: there's a contender out there that will look at him

1059
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: in the face and be like, dude, you're starting. You're

1060
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: playing twenty plus minutes a night. You know you can

1061
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: play as much as you want, but if you need rest,

1062
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: will rest you. Blah blah blah. That might be something

1063
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: that that could throw him out of the mix. But

1064
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: I certainly would like to like to see him in

1065
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: l A so quickly before we get out of here.

1066
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: You had mentioned so mean and I had a conversation

1067
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: about analytics, yeah, yesterday and you had mentioned that you

1068
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: had a follow up to that you that you wanted

1069
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: to ask, Yeah, because there's the stat that I always

1070
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: see people throw around, is this per thirty six minutes? Right?

1071
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: And I kind of fell into it too. I just, um,

1072
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: I just heard you guys yesterday though, was a good

1073
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: point where you're saying, like every shot is in the

1074
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: same shot, right, So you kind of have to uh

1075
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of fit in fatigue, and you know how long

1076
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: guys played or who's open or whatever. There's a whole

1077
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: bunch of factors that you know, numbers will never be

1078
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: able to quantify, and you can work with that with film. Right,

1079
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: those two go together. There shouldn't be some big war

1080
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: onto it. But like the thirty six minutes, I think

1081
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: it's fine for like players who play thirty minutes right,

1082
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: that to me it makes sense. It's really when I

1083
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: see like I saw like a James White, little James Wisen,

1084
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: which you know, I think he's gonna be good. But

1085
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I saw that James Wisen per thirty six someone posted

1086
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: he would be like twenty and twelve in per thirty six.

1087
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's never playing thirty six minutes. So like

1088
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: showing showing that James Wisen as averages twenty and twelve

1089
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: on a per thirty six just doesn't makes sense to me.

1090
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: Or like I saw what the Clippers that they posted

1091
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: like a Luke Kennard per thirty six, it was like

1092
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: sixteen four and like you know, like shooting, I'm like,

1093
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: he's never playing thirty six minutes. The average is nineteen.

1094
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't really make sense to me to put up

1095
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: per thirty six out for guys who will never play

1096
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: thirty six minutes. Like, it's just it's confusing to me

1097
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: when I see that, Like with the Lebron or like

1098
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: Paul George or those guys are gonna play thirty minutes,

1099
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: so their per thirty six kind of makes sense. It

1100
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: fits into their rotation, right, so you can kind of

1101
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: you can kind of predict what their numbers will be

1102
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: in that kind of thirty six minutes is kind of

1103
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: like the average what a superstar or like a full

1104
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: rotation starter plays, right, so it makes sense exactly. But

1105
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: when I see like rookies have per like rookies that

1106
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: don't play at all getting per thirty six minutes, who

1107
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: average like fifteen minutes a game. Basketball just doesn't work

1108
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: like that, where like if you get ten points in

1109
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: ten minutes, it means you'll make you'll get twenty and

1110
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: like another fifteen. Like that's what's confusing. What do you

1111
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: think about that kind of staff? That's that's kind of

1112
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: strange to me when I when I see it put

1113
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: out for guys who don't play rotate minutes, and I

1114
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: see like per thirty six for them like, yeah, that

1115
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: looks great, that looks awesome. You can do that with

1116
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: any rookie lee round. I'll go do their per thirty six.

1117
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: It's just doesn't really make sense for guys who will

1118
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: never get that that minutes this year. So for me personally,

1119
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: I've used it, uh mostly referring to stars who have

1120
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: been playing in lower minutes. So for instance, think like

1121
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: Janice last year. I think like early this year when

1122
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: Lebron is playing like thirty three minutes a game or whatever.

1123
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Where I agree with you that it's not necessarily the

1124
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: same translation for a rookie playing ten minutes a night.

1125
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: But here's where I would look at per thirty six

1126
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think it's perfect, but I

1127
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: think it is an indicator of your overall activity in

1128
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: those minutes. So let me give you an example. So

1129
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: for instance, like I played pickup basketball games this morning.

1130
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about these pickup basketball

1131
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: games that I played with this particular group of guys

1132
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: is we like quick games. So we played twos and

1133
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: threes to nine. So literally a game can end in

1134
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: three possessions if you don't defend. And what's interesting is like,

1135
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, I might average you know, four or five

1136
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: points per pickup game, but if there was a way

1137
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: to quantify it as a per thirty six, it would

1138
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: give an indicator of how productive I was in that

1139
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: specific young on one second, I'm having a nightmare said

1140
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: of luck in the last couple of weeks with my computers.

1141
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm telling him in um anyway, So the it gives it,

1142
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: h it gives a general indicator of what your productive,

1143
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: your production level was in those minutes. So again, if

1144
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: you we use Alex Cruso as an example, Alex Crusoe

1145
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: is going to be more impactful, not even statistically, but

1146
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: just in his overall effort and stuff. He's gonna be

1147
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: more productive in a seventeen minute outing than he is

1148
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: in a twenty seven minute outing. We've learned this now,

1149
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: you know that that was one of the things that

1150
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: was revealed during this Dennis Shrewder injury. However, you know, uh,

1151
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: if if if a guy, if if a guy. I

1152
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: if I play Trisan Thompson off the bench in Boston,

1153
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: and I play him for fifteen minutes a night, and

1154
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: in those fifteen minutes he's getting ten points and eight rebounds.

1155
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a fair a fair uh you know,

1156
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: representation of what he accomplished in that game, because what

1157
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: he really accomplished in that game is per thirty six,

1158
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: he averaged like he put up like twenty six and

1159
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: fourteen or whatever it is. I'm not sure where the

1160
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: conversion is there, but the and what that means is

1161
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: in his fifteen minutes, he was a wrecking ball. Now

1162
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't translate to him having been able

1163
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: to be a wrecking ball for thirty minutes, but it

1164
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: does show me that he was a wrecking ball for

1165
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: those fifteen minutes. So it's as with any stat, it's imperfect.

1166
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: You know, plus minus is imperfect. I hate plus minus

1167
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: in a single game, but I do believe in plus

1168
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: minus in the long term because I think that clearly

1169
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 1: shows that when this guys on the floor, the team

1170
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: has success for whatever reason, even fits against specific lineups

1171
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: and with specific role players next to him are specific

1172
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: supporting cast. But you know, one of the things I

1173
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: like about her thirty six is it's an indicator of activity. So,

1174
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: for instance, Damian Jones like, it'd be interesting to take

1175
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: a look at it, and I'll look it up real quick,

1176
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: but it's it's a quick indicator. Let's see real quick.

1177
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: Let's look up Damian Jones. So if Damian Jones is

1178
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: playing super limited minutes, so he's been playing ten point

1179
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: three minutes per game with the Lakers, it shows that

1180
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: he's only averaging four point seven rebounds. But if I

1181
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: take it as a per thirty six, he's at fourteen

1182
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: and nine, So I can relatively assume that his production

1183
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: in his limited minutes mimics that of a fourteen and

1184
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: nine type of player. That that's not amazing, but that's

1185
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: that's back up big type of production, right, So I'm

1186
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: getting I'm getting back up big level production out of

1187
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: Damian uh, Damian Lee in or like Damian Joel in

1188
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: those specific minutes. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure.

1189
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's no place for it obviously,

1190
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: And I think it does have something like if you

1191
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: have a guy that's playing twenty five minutes, I guess

1192
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: you can kind of extrapulate that out to thirty six, right, well,

1193
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: he would be in a rotation. I just see it

1194
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: used a lot today for like narrative base and like, oh,

1195
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: let's compare this rookie who's playing fifteen minutes to the

1196
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: per his per thirty six to like Jimmy Butler and

1197
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, they're both averaging like seventeen and eight.

1198
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, in these things like that's not how um

1199
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: this that that comparison should kind of go. So that's

1200
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: that's my main issue with it. I see it used

1201
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: a lot for rookies, especially because rookies aren't gonna get

1202
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: crazy minutes, right, So like when you do a Perth

1203
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: Dady six or a guy making who's doing fifteen minutes

1204
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: who has no reputation at all in the league, it's

1205
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of hard to um. It's kind of hard to

1206
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: see that um in the stats. So obviously with any

1207
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: stat you have to kind of think about it. With

1208
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: the film and with everything that you see. Obviously Alex

1209
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: Cruse you can tell his activity obviously is high. So

1210
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: when you go to a Perth day six, you kind

1211
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: of like, okay, he gets like one steel every fifteen minutes.

1212
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: I can kind of see him getting three fields and

1213
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: like that minutes. You know, So that that's remics to

1214
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: issue with it. It is just using it for players

1215
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,479
Speaker 1: in comparisons that it just doesn't makes sense for UM,

1216
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm not mad at Every stat has

1217
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: its flaws, every stat has its positive. So I'm a

1218
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: person who really likes defensive rating. A lot of people don't.

1219
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: I feel like there's stats that you like and don't

1220
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: like kind of um in your philosophy and stuff like that.

1221
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: So that that was my main thing. That's the thing

1222
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: that I thought when I was hearing you guys talk

1223
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: about it, because I thought it was interesting that there's

1224
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: a lot of stats out there. There's I mean, there's

1225
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: a stat for a stat right today, you can have

1226
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: stats for stats, so you can kind of gets you

1227
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: can kind of get lost in that um. And yeah,

1228
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: that's my main point that it's kind of interesting seeing

1229
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: those kind of things. Like a lot of people like

1230
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: there's I think Andy Bailey who's like the Utah guy.

1231
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: He really likes per seventy five possessions, Like he does

1232
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: everything with per seventy five, which I guess is like

1233
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: the the average amount of possessions in like a full game.

1234
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, so he really goes possessions would be closer

1235
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: to a full game, and no one plays a full

1236
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: game because I think the NBA game has like a

1237
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: hundred and seven possessions per team or something like exactly.

1238
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: So that kind of trips blow and I'm like, I

1239
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: understand it where he's going with it, but he uses

1240
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: a lot to be like, Okay, Gobert with average like

1241
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: five and fifteen on like a per seventy five, you know,

1242
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's kind of funny just

1243
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,959
Speaker 1: to see it used in that way, and I feel

1244
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: like there's a that's a better way to kind of

1245
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: look at it. Again. We're all kind of improving here

1246
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: on our stats. But I was interesting I heard. I

1247
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: thought of that when I when I heard you guys

1248
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: do that conversation? Can you hear me or my cut out?

1249
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: You're good, I'm hearing. I'm getting a little symbol on

1250
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: my screen. Heck is about the break loost with my WiFi?

1251
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: Um No, I think you're absolutely right. Using it to

1252
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: compare players is foolishness because there's no two situations that

1253
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: are like like I said, I just like using it

1254
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: specifically to kind of gauge, you know, if you're a

1255
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: fan of a team and you want to gauge you know,

1256
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: how impactful a player has been in a limited role.

1257
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: I think it'll give you a general idea. Um the uh,

1258
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: and it's the last thing I'll talk about and then

1259
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: we'll get you out of here. But the defensive rating

1260
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: is scoreboard like offensive rating is the scoreboard. That's not

1261
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: That's not an advanced metric. All that is is a

1262
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: scoreboard waited per possessions like guess what, like if you

1263
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: have a positive net rating in a basketball game, you

1264
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: are guaranteed to win as a team. That like guaranteed

1265
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: like one thousand million percent of the time. It's not.

1266
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: It is not an advanced metric, and it buy any

1267
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. The only thing I don't like

1268
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: with advance with offensive rating and defensive rating is every

1269
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: single year there are a bunch of teams that are

1270
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: at the top of the offensive rating that don't defend.

1271
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: And every single year there are teams like the Lakers

1272
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: and other teams who defend extremely well, but they are

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Speaker 1: more middle of the pack offensively or you know, bottom

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Speaker 1: of the top ten or whatever it is. And the

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Speaker 1: reason why is because it takes energy to do both.

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Speaker 1: You know, teams that don't defend usually have better legs

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Speaker 1: on offense and they're better at scoring points and teams

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Speaker 1: that don't score are better at defend Teams that defended

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Speaker 1: a really high level struggle offensively because they're fatigued and

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Speaker 1: usually the game will they'll strangle the pace in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways. But yeah, I there are uh, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with defensive rating offensive rating in a vacuum,

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Speaker 1: because all they are is literally the scoreboard. My biggest,

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Speaker 1: my biggest. You know, it's not a convoluted stat you know,

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Speaker 1: like raptor is or lebron or whatever. Those metrics that

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Speaker 1: you see floating around as of late, Like those are deeply,

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Speaker 1: deeply convoluted stats that are trying to attach a single

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Speaker 1: number to something that uh, to a specific role on

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Speaker 1: a basketball team, like more you kind of cut off.

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Speaker 1: I think you're bad. There you go, alrighty, I'm back.

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Speaker 1: I apologize everyone for the WiFi stuff. I was talking

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Speaker 1: with Roj beforehand. I think I have it figured out.

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Speaker 1: I just have to order a specific piece of equipment

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Speaker 1: to get me back up and running towards not a problem.

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate everybody bearing with me through the process.

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Speaker 1: Um real quickly before I get you out of here. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Tweet from Mark Stein the Lakers Clippers nets and Heat

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Speaker 1: and Warriors are the five teams that have most publicly

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Speaker 1: expressed interest in Blake Griffin at this time. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that's kind of predictable, right, all kind of contenders or

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Speaker 1: semi contenders. Um. Also big markets, right, he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to go to know, go no East market, a small

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Speaker 1: market team, so it kind of makes sense. I still

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna want to go to a winning contender,

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Speaker 1: like he wants to go to one of the championship teams. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be Brooklyn or the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to the Clippers. Might be

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Speaker 1: I just can't see him going back there after being

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Speaker 1: sent away, But we'll we'll see. I think he's coming.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think you're I think you

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Speaker 1: said you're kind of feeling him coming here too. I

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Speaker 1: think it just makes too much sense, um for them

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Speaker 1: to to kind of try it out. So that's I

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Speaker 1: think he'll be here. We'll see. Um, maybe we'll find

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Speaker 1: out today. I don't know. I hope we find out today.

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Speaker 1: We'll see at least get some intel. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get you out of here before my WiFi cuts out again. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's let's send out a tweet, you know, Monday, Tuesday

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Speaker 1: next week, just asking for some mail back questions, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll do uh, we'll do some grades and some

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Speaker 1: just overall kind of like rehashing of the first half

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Speaker 1: of the season from the Lakers. Roj is always I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you, man, and I will see you next Friday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for listening in. Thank you