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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. We Are Ready,

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Speaker 1: Here We Go.

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Speaker 2: Supremo Supremo, Roll Call Supremo Supremo, Roll Call Supremo Supremo,

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Speaker 2: Roll Call Suprema Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Roll call My Yeah, Mama, Oh yeah, yeah, Mama.

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Speaker 3: Ma Yeah, Supreme Supreme, Roll Supreme Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Roll Call.

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Speaker 4: My name is Sugar.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And it's such a thrill. Yeah to be in the

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Speaker 4: same room as Boss Bill.

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Speaker 6: Supreme Roll Supremo Supremo roll and this Boss Bill Yeah

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Speaker 6: with the rhyme to say yeah, one of my favorite jams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quiet time to play roll spret.

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Speaker 2: So Supremeo, Roll Call Suprema Son Son Supremo, roll call

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Speaker 2: like em.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Johnny guilt to the end.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: We vote from d C. Yeah, so he ain't my

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Speaker 8: fair with a friend, ro call Suprema Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Back up, Supreme, Supreme, Supreme A roll call.

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Speaker 5: Name is Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I'm so happy to say. Yeah, I'm in here with

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Speaker 9: all of y'all. Yeah, I'm gonna rub you all all right.

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Speaker 5: Well, Supreme So Supreme, Roll Call.

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Speaker 3: Supremo Supremo, Roll Call Suprema Son Suppremo, Roll Call Suprema

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Speaker 3: Son Supremo.

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Speaker 7: Roll call all over my body.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Well, I'm curious, all right, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Normally I don't do the I don't do the capped

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Speaker 1: in the obvious roll call, but the look of darts

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Speaker 1: thrown in my direction because you cheated. Man, I didn't cheat.

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Speaker 10: I stayed far away from from my mind. I knew

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Speaker 10: that somebody was gonna take that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So wait, I'm actually curious you had a

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Speaker 1: backup one just in case?

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Speaker 7: No, that was it. That was it was a friend.

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Speaker 7: I beat it.

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Speaker 8: I had to ask Bill to look it up because

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Speaker 8: I was sure. In the lyrics, I was like, he said,

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Speaker 8: he want to be my Fairwether friends.

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Speaker 1: He won't be. I won't be, Okay, I was just

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Speaker 1: I was really impressed if you told me that I

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Speaker 1: stole your roll call and that you had would a

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Speaker 1: new one on standby.

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Speaker 10: I had one almost ready for standby. Mine was a

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Speaker 10: real deep cut.

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Speaker 1: So I guess me going first. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about that, but you guys, I get it now.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest of

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Speaker 1: Supreme on iHeartRadio. How are you? We got, Team Supreme

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Speaker 1: in the house. What's up, guys?

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Speaker 5: Anyway?

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Speaker 1: We got Steve Hey MANU wait wait, can we just

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Speaker 1: cut to the chase? Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Uh did did?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 10: Unpaid Bill just ghost us? I think he did. I

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Speaker 10: haven't heard. He hasn't even been on the group chat.

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Speaker 4: I never left him.

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Speaker 8: You see, Johnny, we have this you know co host

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Speaker 8: who's mister Broadway.

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Speaker 7: It ain't got no time for us, no more.

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Speaker 1: But that shows over unless he's working on Max Martin

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 7: Broadway shows and I think a movie. I'm trying to

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Speaker 7: tell his.

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Speaker 1: Business like I got stuff going on.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's called Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 10: You have to be here his name and into the title.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well we could do Quest Love Supreme feature.

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Speaker 7: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna ask for more money for that, Okay, nevern

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Speaker 1: I forget it. Good to know, and I hope Fante

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Speaker 1: doesn't get yes.

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Speaker 4: Can someone want to tell Fante that we have enough?

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Speaker 4: We got a pack.

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Speaker 8: You see, Johnny, we got another co host that went

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Speaker 8: out for cigarettes and he has not come back, but

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Speaker 8: he's been on two or five thousand.

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Speaker 11: He said he go out for cigarettes.

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Speaker 1: And you know it's good.

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Speaker 4: It means they're successful. And they don't have time for us.

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Speaker 1: Look right now, we're Marlon Jackie, Jermaine Tito. We're still

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Speaker 1: touring as a unit, right and I know.

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Speaker 7: We're working a minute.

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Speaker 5: I'm here, gentleman, you guys.

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Speaker 1: No, no, ladies and gentleman, no, I'm not even going

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Speaker 1: to waste time. I'm not even gonna waste time, ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Our guest today is.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He's the last of a I can't say that word.

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Speaker 1: I won't say dying breathe, but it's not a dangered species.

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Speaker 11: But he's a singer, singer.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like he went through puberty. Yes, yes, a

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Speaker 10: That sounds like he's you know, older than thirteen.

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Speaker 1: So we're can sing more than one note? Yeah, ors

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Speaker 1: verbrato or knows how the annunciator or you know.

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Speaker 7: Just slip off my red dress.

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Speaker 1: Let's out, hey, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, the master, the

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Speaker 1: master himself, Johnny gil Is, thank you.

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Speaker 5: That's damn.

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Speaker 1: Call you Johnny Jackson right now. Uh j G. You

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Speaker 1: know something I thought, all right, of of all the

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking of the new addition of alumnus of all you guys,

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Speaker 1: all of them have cool nicknames, but I felt they

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Speaker 1: got lazy with you and just named you j G.

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Speaker 9: Well, I have how come you don't have a I

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Speaker 9: have two names. It's Jay Guil, I mean j j G.

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Speaker 9: And then Skills is what they call me. And even

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Speaker 9: though my company is called Jay Skills, they they called

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Speaker 9: me skills because that's my nickname from them is because

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Speaker 9: we walk in a room. I played the drums and

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Speaker 9: they were going okay, So then I get on the

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Speaker 9: keyboards and start playing that. Then I got on the guitar.

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Speaker 9: I started playing the guitar, so I started playing because

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Speaker 9: they kept going yo. It was like damn skills.

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Speaker 1: So that that's.

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Speaker 11: How I never knew that. I just heard him call

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Speaker 7: All right, played instruments.

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Speaker 11: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Well because of his high school education in d C.

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Speaker 1: Where are you are you now? You're d C. I'm

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Speaker 8: Philly, I went to I graduated high school. When wherever

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Speaker 8: you graduate high school, that's where it is.

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Speaker 1: Really Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 9: Really right, Johnny, Yes, I got back, I got your Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Johnny left d C.

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Speaker 5: At what age I left around I was about I

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Speaker 5: to it went to l A.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but you clocked more years in LA than you

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Speaker 5: Actually pretty much?

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Speaker 7: Are you a Washingtonian? What do you call yourself?

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Speaker 5: Confused?

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Speaker 1: When's the last time you lived in DC?

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Speaker 5: I lived in d C.

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Speaker 9: Oh, nineteen eighty five, maybe eighty six.

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Speaker 5: I think in eighty seven I was in LA.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, so right after chemistry then that

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Speaker 1: was that was that?

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Speaker 1: I see? Yeah, well I always switch inside. So you know,

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Speaker 1: now she's DC.

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Speaker 7: Johnny gill is here.

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Speaker 1: Hell yes, right, So let me say that you're you're

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Speaker 1: one of our rare guests that I'll say that you

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Speaker 1: came to my attention almost way before your music did,

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Speaker 1: because I'll say that in my childhood, the Internet for

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Speaker 11: So you have a friend.

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Speaker 1: In Cynthia hornor yes, because she would do full blown

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Speaker 1: like features on you and I heard narrow a note.

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Speaker 1: Wow that was I knew your face, I knew your

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Speaker 1: life story, I knew everything. I never heard a note.

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Speaker 5: I don't know you guys, I mean he really really

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Speaker 5: just very talented, and you're going to get to see

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Speaker 5: and know.

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Speaker 11: That's how.

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Speaker 1: That's how she talks. No, and that's the thing, like,

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Speaker 1: because I knew they kept comparing you to of course,

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Speaker 1: either the rich your richness of Donnie Hathaway's voice, the

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Speaker 1: is a deep cut from the Dells Marvin Jr. Who's

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Speaker 1: Teddy's idol, but just saying that you look like me,

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Speaker 1: you look young, And I was like, no way that

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Speaker 1: this guy has that deep voice. But finally one of

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Speaker 1: your videos came on like New York Contracts Like it

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Speaker 1: was like a show that came on New York. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So thus I finally said, oh, okay, that's what Johnny

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Speaker 1: Gilt does so describe.

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Speaker 5: To Mary Carol issue. I just couldn't get it right.

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Speaker 11: So you were born in DC? What part of DC?

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Speaker 5: Southeast southeast? What is that first place?

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Speaker 8: I remember it is the last place to get gentrified

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Speaker 8: in DC. I'll just put it that way.

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Speaker 11: It's still the problem.

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Speaker 7: It's actually called southeast.

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Speaker 1: Southeast, Southeast southeast southeast, So every.

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Speaker 5: Now and then it can come out, but it's buried

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Speaker 9: And not try to keep it under control and everything.

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Speaker 5: I've got some help for it. Minute.

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you though, because I know

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Speaker 1: you're from DC, and I always wondered if how how

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Speaker 1: deep does go go culture resonate with your art? Like

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Speaker 1: have you ever thought of truly incorporating like any of

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Speaker 1: those Like did you ever at all immerse yourself in

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Speaker 5: And I was straight church, but I did.

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Speaker 9: I was absolutely familiar with it, and I used to

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Speaker 5: I used to get my mom worked three jobs.

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Speaker 9: When I would come home from school, I would get

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Speaker 9: on my brother's drums, and before you know it, the

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Speaker 5: Was coming around the house and they were all jamming.

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Speaker 9: I was, you know, but it wasn't something that I

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Speaker 9: put in my music, but I just that's how I

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Speaker 5: I used to practice go go stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, with the exception of New Orleans, I'll say

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Speaker 1: that d C has it's steeped in black music culture

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Speaker 1: in a way that's not like any other place in

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Speaker 1: the United States.

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Speaker 11: How is that so?

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Speaker 1: Like, why is it like the fact that your brother

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Speaker 11: Especially post seventies.

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Speaker 5: Is well, my dad usual.

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Speaker 9: My dad was a minister, and you know we used

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Speaker 9: My brothers they couldn't figure out why I could play

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Speaker 9: play the bongos, And they wouldn't. You know, as a kid,

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Speaker 9: when you grow up, your you know your siblings, you

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Speaker 5: My oldest brother hated the whole music thing. He was

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Speaker 1: Play with his family business. Yeah was he good or yeah?

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Speaker 5: He didn't like it. Wow, he didn't like it.

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Speaker 9: Ever looked back, never looked Okay, I see.

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Speaker 9: I went and honestly, I visited Duke Keleton. Stacey went

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Speaker 5: So, and at that point I kind of like.

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Speaker 7: Where'd you really go?

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Speaker 7: Where did you really go?

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Speaker 9: I went to Kimball Elementary Susan junior high. And after that,

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Speaker 9: Stacey and I both got We were tutored the way time.

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Speaker 9: When did you get your record deal?

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Speaker 5: I was fifteen and I recorded the album and after

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Speaker 1: Wait, I'm sorry, wait wait, wait all right, I'm cheating

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Speaker 1: I hit him earlier this morning, Johnny Today, he says,

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Speaker 11: He hated my ma mind.

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Speaker 7: You hated it from the jump.

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Speaker 5: You just, I just.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We're jumping ahead. We're jumping ahead,

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Speaker 1: We're jumping ahead.

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Speaker 7: I get it. I guess.

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Speaker 1: We're on the first alf anyway. So yeah, you So,

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Speaker 1: why is it that they claimed you for just three days?

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Speaker 5: And because I became famous?

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Speaker 9: I see, I see, And man they always kept I mean,

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Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, you went to do Galleton. I said, yeah,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because y'all were the first you think about it,

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Speaker 7: After that, that's.

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Speaker 8: When more famous people came from ke Allington. But really

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, d it's a very special place.

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Speaker 5: It was quite a few. I mean people that.

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Speaker 10: How Freddy ended up producing your first album?

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Speaker 9: You know, I don't know, but he I know that

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Speaker 5: Link up with Freddy Parent for some reason.

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Speaker 1: So so it was the story true, like how did

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Speaker 1: you get your deal? Was it? Okay? So that was real.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that was just like a label thing

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Speaker 9: Was crazy because you know Stacey and I we you know,

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Speaker 9: you come, you go to school, you come home, change

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Speaker 5: We know something was going on where we were gonna

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Speaker 1: She used to organizing.

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Speaker 5: And I tell you what happened whenever we were in

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Speaker 9: And then one night, one day we were it was

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Speaker 9: She was like, everybody has to do something. All you

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Speaker 5: Like, you always I used to wear double rusted suits.

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Speaker 11: I was no, I was.

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Speaker 1: I listen.

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Speaker 9: My dad was a minister, and I think I didn't

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Speaker 5: They used to call me. My nickname was Reverdike. I

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Speaker 7: In suits, and nobody made suit when I.

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Speaker 9: Had three older brothers and three god brothers and next

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Speaker 5: At one point, I thought.

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Speaker 9: People didn't want to talk to even say hi to me.

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Speaker 9: That was kind of like you.

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Speaker 5: I had a pretty deep homy. I mean, so I

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Speaker 1: I see.

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Speaker 11: Okay, So what was it?

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Speaker 1: How much?

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Speaker 11: How much time did she have before?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 11: How many years did she have on you? At least

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Speaker 5: Uh, Stacy, Let's see, she had about at least three years.

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Speaker 5: because she had that album with Van Van McCoy. McCoy,

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Speaker 11: Let Me Be In that was the first one, and

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Speaker 5: Was that young in love? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Then there was the.

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Speaker 9: One that she did with with Narda. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 9: then she wound up doing another one with Narda. But yeah,

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Speaker 11: Know, I was just lived on the same blot.

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Speaker 9: No, I lived, uh maybe about ten minutes from them,

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Speaker 9: that was the stomping grounds. Everybody would hang out over there,

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Speaker 9: So I would go home and I used to ride

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Speaker 1: So wait, I'm curious waiting tips. So when she got established,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's she is.

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Speaker 11: For the Jackson's and all and stuff.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we were all during that time. Everybody, we was

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Speaker 9: And you know, you understand me, the man was still

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Speaker 9: I was just standing up on the pimp, you know

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Speaker 9: what I'm saying, Reverend.

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Speaker 1: So with your first album, with your first record, I

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Speaker 1: all of these heavyweights were even aware at that young age,

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Speaker 12: I mean, you, for which one the very first first

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Speaker 1: Time it's like like your first record, like freaking Elliott Wolf.

453
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

454
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, Freddie Parent alone, who.

455
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 7: Give us some Freddy Parent, how did you know?

456
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: How did you was it like working with them?

457
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 9: I used to call them Pops and Freddy and his

458
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 9: wife Chris Parent. They took me under their wings, and

459
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 9: I swear to you it was like, uh, Freddie told

460
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 9: me and really prepared me for what was to come ahead.

461
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 5: I used to stay with them, and Chris used to Uh.

462
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 5: They treated me like I was their their their their son.

463
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 9: So but Freddy used to tell me all these stories

464
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 9: about working with Michael Jackson.

465
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: I was going to say, for listeners out there, forget

466
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: Freddie Parent was part of what we know is the

467
00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: corporation like the kind of the last of the you

468
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: know Motown as a factory where teams that people are

469
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: working together. So the corporation was Freddy parron U, the

470
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Manes brothers, jam Master Jay's uncles, Ah and and so

471
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 1: basically they wrote like I want you back and like

472
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: all the Jackson five early young hits. Then he wrote

473
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: like he worked with the Silvers, did Boogiey Fevers, Uh

474
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Glory Gayner, I Will Survive, a little song called it

475
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: So Hard to Say Goodbye.

476
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 11: The tars all the to bar, stuff.

477
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: Like more than a Woman, And one of the big

478
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 5: ones was that Saturday Night.

479
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saturday Night, If I Can't Have You was so yeah, yeah, Reunited,

480
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: Baked Groove Things. Yeah, he wrote a few good songs.

481
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, so never heard of anywhere.

482
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 9: And I remember recording when they came in and said

483
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 9: we were in the middle of recording when he said,

484
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 9: came in and bought Freddy Pearron a song, and.

485
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 5: He says, man, listen to these little kids. This little

486
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 5: kid sounds just like Michael Jackson. And guess what it was,

487
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 5: Candy Girl sitting in there and listening to it.

488
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: He I think he produced under the Blue Bloom. Yeah,

489
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: he sure did that.

490
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 7: I had that on vinyl after, but we sat there.

491
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 5: We listened to it. He was like, oh, this cat

492
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 5: is pretty cool.

493
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: Little did he know? Yeah, little did you know? Little

494
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: did you know?

495
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 9: I was the recording my first album when that that single?

496
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even okay, so there's one name on the

497
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: credit of your very first record that is killing me.

498
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: How the hell did Lawrence Hilton. Yea, why theboards boom boom, Yes, yeah,

499
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: he was a writer. Or Joe Jackson.

500
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 5: He was a writer scream.

501
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: Please give Me. Yeah, I know he had an album.

502
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a writer, and he wrote the song

503
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 5: I'm Sorry and uh yeah yeah, and I was in.

504
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: Oh he submitted the song to you and that's how.

505
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, and he worked well, he was submitted to uh

506
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 9: to a pretty parents and that's how it came about.

507
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 9: And I was like when he walked in, I was like, Yo,

508
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 9: that's Freddy boom boom Washington. I knew when I when

509
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 9: I came to Los Angeles that that was going to

510
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 9: be my home.

511
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 5: And I knew it. I was like, listen, I'm coming

512
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: back here. This is where I'm going to live. And

513
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 5: I was just a kid.

514
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: Did you, I mean, did you feel as though, well,

515
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean back then, I don't like Cotillion?

516
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 11: How do you pronounce it?

517
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Ye?

518
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 11: Then? Manaid what were they?

519
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: What was it like as a label to be on Cotillion?

520
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't straight up Atlantic?

521
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 5: But I mean I didn't know the difference. I was

522
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 5: a kid that was walking into blind or like no.

523
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 5: I had a young man by the name of Bill Underwood.

524
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 5: Mister willis him Underwood?

525
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: Very well?

526
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: He was, uh, you know, like I said, and a

527
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 5: lot in my life, I've had a pretty deep army

528
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 5: and you know, he he just you know, he was

529
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 5: like a brother and a father figure to me, and

530
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: he really really really just protected me and taught me

531
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 5: the game. And it was funny because Atlantic, you.

532
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 9: Know, even when I recorded my first album and they

533
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 9: put it out, nobody didn't tell me that, you know,

534
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 9: your record and sell are two copies, right, I didn't know.

535
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 9: I'm like, I had no idea that what I did

536
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 9: was a failure or success.

537
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 5: I didn't know nothing about anything.

538
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 9: All I know is you go in, you record, and

539
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 9: back then to get a record deal that was something huge,

540
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 9: and I just I always.

541
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 5: Assume that means you're gonna be a start. Like it

542
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 5: never dawned on me like, oh wow, the first one

543
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 5: didn't work. I had no idea.

544
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 11: I was just throwing was what was promotion like?

545
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Because again I knew of you. I didn't hear your music.

546
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it on the radio in Philadelphia until

547
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: I saw hot tracks. But like, what was promotion like?

548
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: Back then?

549
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: We had to go to radio stations, we was going

550
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: from station to station, and God bless Frankie cock Crockery

551
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 5: at the time. Frank and I became great friends later,

552
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 5: and I'll never forget him and Bill going at it

553
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 5: was they used to they were, I mean, but they

554
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: were really tight.

555
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 9: But you know, I Katillion was a label and I

556
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 9: everybody kept saying, I don't know what happened?

557
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 5: What did you do to?

558
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 8: Uh?

559
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: To to Henry Allen, who was the president of Atlantic

560
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 5: Conillion Records at the time, because he was a tough, tough,

561
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: tough guy and some reason he took a liking to me,

562
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 5: and it was like listening, He's like, Eh, Johnny, Johnny

563
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be a big star.

564
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: Yep, and ride, We're.

565
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 9: Gonna move you back to DC because we hadn't moved

566
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 9: to Columbus, Georgia, right, And he says.

567
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 11: Wait, why why?

568
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 9: Because my mom was getting back with my dad and

569
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 9: so my dad bought this house. And I'll never forget

570
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 9: he bought this house and we didn't like it, and

571
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 9: I'll never forget.

572
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: We were all talking and asking him about maybe finding

573
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: something else for us, and we actually I remember walking

574
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 5: in the front yard of this particular house and I

575
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 5: had my hands in my pockets, and I was looking

576
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 5: up and I was like, man, what I wouldn't do

577
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: to be in Stacy's shoes right about now? And why

578
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 5: did I get a call a few days later from

579
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: Stacy saying, Hey, I talked to the president of the

580
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 5: of the label about you, and he wants you to

581
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 5: make a tape. He wants to hear your voice.

582
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, my demo was a twenty nine

583
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 9: dollars take recorder where you put on the corner and

584
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 9: that was it.

585
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: The radio shack joins, Yeah, yeah, what did you sing

586
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: on it?

587
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 5: I sang, uh, the greatest Love of All and people

588
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 5: bryceon is field of fire.

589
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

590
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 9: And I remember him calling me and asking me to

591
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 9: sing on the phone, and I sing the man had

592
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 9: a dollar shining star, right, And so he had me

593
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 9: to sing that for everybody on the phone. Then he

594
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 9: went upstairs to the next thing and put me on

595
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 9: again and asking yank, yep, yep, sing sing it again? Yeah, yeah, Johnny,

596
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 9: have you ever been on the plane before? I said no, sir,

597
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 9: He goes, yeah, we're gonna fly you up here. We're

598
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 9: gonna put you on a plane and we're gonna fly

599
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 9: you up. You know you're gonna be big star.

600
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: Wait, I gotta ask you all right, So your voice

601
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: is it's very unusual. I mean, no, even tell me

602
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: now what you think. Well, it's just that it's very

603
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: I think it's for people to use that much power

604
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: in their bar Are you naturally a baritone? Like what

605
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? Like, I don't strong baritones to me.

606
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: Usually like even even in well Barry White is based.

607
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, usually baritones are more soft. Right, But

608
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: you're like mac truck going one hundred miles per hour?

609
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 11: How do you like?

610
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: How do you train your voice? Are you the type

611
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: of that just sings all day in the house?

612
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 9: And like, well, my mom used to tell me that

613
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 9: all the time. And I used to She used to go, Okay,

614
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 9: John R. We still I asked my mom just recently,

615
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 9: I said, Mom, what does the R stand for?

616
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 5: She goes, I don't know. She's always called me John R.

617
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 9: So she used to go, John, can you shut the door?

618
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 9: And I would be in the room and playing the

619
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 9: piano and singing and uh and you.

620
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 5: Know I told her later, I was like, yeah, mom,

621
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: uh so what you got to say now?

622
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 7: Yeah?

623
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: But I meant like, do you traditionally like seth Riggs train?

624
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you know it's crazy.

625
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 7: Is this room too cold for your voice?

626
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 5: Right now? Okay, I can sing.

627
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 11: None of those things.

628
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, this actually can sing him asleep. I've been knowing

629
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: to do that.

630
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: Wait, is Johnny the first singer singing we ever had?

631
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I have so many questions about you know,

632
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: and God bless you here and everything you've heard, everything

633
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: like oh the air got to be off, my throat closes?

634
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Is he real or is that just psychosmatic?

635
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

636
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: Is it real?

637
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

638
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 9: Because if I'm around cigarette smoke, I can still sing.

639
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 9: But you it makes it tough. It makes it tough

640
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 9: to be able to do the things that you want

641
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 9: to do vocally. But I can still get through it.

642
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: But I've had places where saying where there the cigarette

643
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 5: smoke is going, and it's like, hey, this is not good.

644
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: So for a vocal session, how long can you go

645
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: Bosston the wall hard before you're you're wearing out and

646
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: you have to.

647
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 9: Back In the day, I could go non stop these days,

648
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 9: give me about a good guy hour maybe so, and

649
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 9: then I'm gonna do like a rethix.

650
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: She comes in and sing them down two or three

651
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 5: times ago. Okay, that's it.

652
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: The baby they tell me that he's also one take

653
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: show you you did one song? Was just like, all right,

654
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. I did it, and I can

655
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: go about an hour.

656
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 9: And it's funny because I was sitting list and go no, no, no,

657
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 9: I think I can do that better.

658
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: No, no no. So I'm one of those kinds. But after

659
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 5: a while, I you know, when it wears down, and

660
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 5: then I'll sit rested for a minute and if it

661
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: feels like I can still go again, I'll go, come on,

662
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: let's rock, let's go.

663
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 10: It's part of that you just don't want to overthink it.

664
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 9: I think part of it is just that you know

665
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 9: you're the voice. It's it's a muscle, and it's like,

666
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 9: no matter how much you know you do to vocalize

667
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 9: and exercise and make it strong, it's like anything else,

668
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 9: it gives out at some point where it's just like

669
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 9: I ain't got it. There there's been many a nice

670
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 9: I didn't have a voice, and then you go into

671
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 9: Shulman shulman uh mode where it's just I'm like okay.

672
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 7: Like now y'all that now you're.

673
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: Saying, and then I can go from the Brown method.

674
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

675
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just find ways to get around it.

676
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 9: And I've always been able to just figure it out,

677
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 9: even though you know, it's like I'm not where I

678
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 9: need to be and I know I can't get there,

679
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 9: but it's like I'll figure out a way to get it,

680
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 9: make it work, and make it happen. Okay, the other day,

681
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 9: matter of fact, last what was a couple of days.

682
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: Ago I was playing. I just played it. That's why

683
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: you know when you're traveling so much. I just played

684
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 5: somewhere just a couple of days ago.

685
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 9: And the the track gave out.

686
00:33:59,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: Ooh.

687
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 9: And this was for the event that I was doing,

688
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 9: so I only had to do a couple of numbers

689
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 9: and I wasn't gonna leave there. They did not want to,

690
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 9: but not let me leave without singing my mind. So

691
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 9: I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, I'm going, okay, now,

692
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 9: what the hell are we gonna do here? Because my

693
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 9: my engineer, the sound guy, he was going, it just

694
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 9: got bros.

695
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 5: I don't know. I can't. I can't. It's not even

696
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 5: in here. I can't get it.

697
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: Shout great engine.

698
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 9: So you know what I did, because there was a

699
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 9: band that was playing that was gonna play even after

700
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 9: I finished. So I told them, I said, you know,

701
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 9: I said, when I came in, you guys was in

702
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 9: here jamming. And I said, I was truly inspired, and

703
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 9: you guys sound really good. And I said, why don't

704
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 9: you guys come on up here with me and let's

705
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 9: just jam a little bit. And that's how I started

706
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 9: my mind. And we rocked it into that and just

707
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 9: kind of swooveing into that to have everybody else to

708
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 9: sing along with me because I didn't have the backgrounds

709
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 9: all the other stuff, and.

710
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: It was like everybody was just in there.

711
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: Rocket and one of my buddies, they knew the bridge

712
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: and everything they knew, and.

713
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 5: He said, oh my god, he said, bro, did you

714
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: just yo what you did? Do you know what you

715
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 5: just did? And I said, yeah, I had to think

716
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 5: on my feet.

717
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 11: The best do the best do that? All right?

718
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: So all right, I'm trying to rush the entire history and.

719
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 8: Uestion.

720
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 11: We're about to go back to that.

721
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: But okay, so of course, the the the Walden Jackson

722
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Glass team produced the Stacey Lasso album with You Perfect

723
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Combination Album.

724
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 11: Okay, is.

725
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: Narda is one of my drumming idols. And every time

726
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: I see him I think he's trying to hypnotize me

727
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: because he has a very little really lately love me.

728
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, well you know how how's your spirit?

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: Is he that cosmic?

730
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: Are you happy?

731
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: Is he that cosmic?

732
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 11: Twenty four seven?

733
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 5: Twenty four seven where sometimes you start rubbing, you go, hey, listen,

734
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: I don't even Besides, I'm cool, right, he.

735
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Is like, you know, like the brothers in the airport

736
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: that like do the Harry Christener thing like walk up.

737
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 11: He just came out of nowhere or me in lax

738
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 11: one time.

739
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: Like, brother, I just want to say, I said, norder

740
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: Michael Walton.

741
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 11: He said, yes, brother, I just want to say, it's

742
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 11: such a blessing to see you on l.

743
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: And he just whispered me to sleep. I thought he

744
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: was hit those of me, like literally, he.

745
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 9: Just tell you the university tell you, man, it's very

746
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 9: few special musicians like you coming along.

747
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, got it? No, but he's gonna hypnotize this.

748
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 7: Sign sounds nice? Could be nice?

749
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Rest he wrote enough he wrote and produce enough of

750
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: my favorite songs.

751
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he wrote, I mean he's not Yeah from

752
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 5: Angelo Boatfield.

753
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Goes on, I was gonna say, literally, you're for your

754
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: first three records, including the duo album, you literally worked

755
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: with everyone that would normally be on Clive Davis's uh

756
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: speed Out without ever having to be on ariston record,

757
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: which is kind of weird to So basically you just

758
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: didn't have the muscle at at whatever to to push

759
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: you through. Was it hard for them to try to

760
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: figure out how to market you because like by that point,

761
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: hip hop had settled in, and it's sort of like

762
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: you weren't teeny bopper at all, so how is it?

763
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: How is it to see h But now minutia or

764
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: kids kids music sort of just pass you by while

765
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: you're like, hello, what are my chop Livery like, well

766
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: that's back then and now.

767
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 5: That's when the universe aligned everything up and I became

768
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: a part of a group called New Audition. Remember New

769
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: Adition was the kids.

770
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 9: Was this this boy band that was they considered call

771
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 9: them bubblegum, a bubble gum group. So when I joined them,

772
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 9: the thing about their fans, the only thing that they

773
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 9: knew of me, and they would say because I was

774
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 9: just you know, to talk of being a new guy,

775
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 9: was have you guys heard that new guy that can sing.

776
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: And I mean they weren't singing.

777
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 9: I don't think they were singing, but that's was the

778
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 9: way they described me. And it was like almost like, okay,

779
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 9: so singing is cool. Oh that's it's in because I

780
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 9: mean they loved the group, so it was always and

781
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 9: they and they had their.

782
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: Following singing to novelty now so.

783
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 5: You know, let me think about it from us. And

784
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 5: then there was the Joe Disses and the boys, the

785
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: Man and the list.

786
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: So the whole being.

787
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 5: Singing thing was like, oh, that's the in thing. And

788
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 5: then you start hearing people going oh they can't sing,

789
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 5: they can sing, he can't sing, and it was like

790
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 5: you're going, wow, okay, but that's it was just perfect time.

791
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 5: And I often say I think with that and with

792
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: them the way that happened, that was really what gave

793
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 5: me the exposure that I needed. And I think for

794
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 5: even a younger generation to appreciate just me being a vocalist.

795
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 5: I wasn't the greatest dancer. I was just the vocalist.

796
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Where did you meet them and what did it mean

797
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: for you to just kind of not take a back

798
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: seat but to be a team member or be one

799
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: fifth of a situation and just have patience until having

800
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: your own thing your turn. So one, when did you

801
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: meet them? And then how did your nuanced a relationship

802
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: with first?

803
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 5: We actually crossed paths many times.

804
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 7: Make show that on the movie that y'all knew each other.

805
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 9: Yeah before it even became Yeah, we were just on

806
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 9: a couple of shows, several shows and we're talking, Yo,

807
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 9: what was happening and all that kind of stuff.

808
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: But I, you know, we we hung out briefly. And then.

809
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 9: I want to say Michael was probably the one business

810
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 9: that you know that that I was at a show

811
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 9: at a concert, a Whispers concert in La.

812
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 5: He was the one that said, Yo, let me holler

813
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 5: at you for a minute.

814
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: One man, are you do you prank call people? You

815
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: know you do?

816
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 5: And he goes, do you so, let me ask you

817
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: a question like like like do you feel like you

818
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: got your just due? Like as a singer? And I

819
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 5: looked and I did this and I went m so

820
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 5: and he asked me and invited me to come to

821
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 5: lunch the next day with them, and I was like, yure,

822
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 5: because I was in La it wasn't doing anything. And

823
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 5: went to lunch and I'm thinking nothing about it. Then

824
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 5: he asked me, say you want to come check our

825
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 5: show out because we were playing they were doing the

826
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: ice capage or something, so I said, yeah, not problemage.

827
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 7: That doesn't exist anymore.

828
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 5: Is that not a thing? Just and ice capades they

829
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 5: have to performed at the help somewhere and there. Yeah,

830
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 5: half time.

831
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: I know I'm not guys, don't kill me.

832
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 5: So then they asked me, invited me to lunch again

833
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 5: the next day, and I'm going. I said, yeah, I'll come,

834
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 5: And that's when we sat around and started talking, and

835
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 5: then they asked me about being a part of the group.

836
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 5: They were talking about they wanted to go back to

837
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: having a five a fifth member so that they can

838
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 5: the choreography even look more effective and more A little

839
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 5: did I know it was far from what that was.

840
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 9: I had no idea that there was the kind of

841
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 9: turmoil that was going on inside of that group, but.

842
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 5: It was just something that just happened. But you know,

843
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 5: ultimately I believe that it was just fate and destiny

844
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: that this is where it was supposed to be.

845
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 8: It was always so interesting that they went with a

846
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 8: voice that was so different than the one kid or

847
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 8: and for Bobby's like the one that was gone that was.

848
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 9: Well, that's where you gotta get my credit, Mike said.

849
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 9: Mike said, you know, our audience is growing up and

850
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 9: they get tired of like he kept saying, y'all it's

851
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 9: the bombacum sound that people connecting us with, Like, you know.

852
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 5: We gotta grow up with our audience.

853
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 9: So his whole thing was like, y'all your voice.

854
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so explain to me in hindsight, of course, and

855
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: I you know, I said, of course we all see

856
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: in the biopic Steve yes, you said, even me. Okay, okay, so.

857
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 11: Just explain to me what.

858
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Not even the division of labor, but what is truly

859
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: when you're in a five man group, like who is

860
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: sort of the captain of it that makes decisions or

861
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: is everything totally just diplomatic and we all get.

862
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 9: Is always constantly just a bunch of madness. War I

863
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 9: havn't say tug of war, tug of war for for for.

864
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 5: For power, struggle for power, who wants to be the leader.

865
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 8: And when you feel empowered to be able to use

866
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 8: your voice, because I mean you the late.

867
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 11: One on us.

868
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 9: I came in immediately and said, I was watching two

869
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 9: guys that were the security guys, and they were running

870
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 9: picking up girls from the airport, going to the store,

871
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 9: taking people's I mean, it was non stop, non stop, NonStop.

872
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 9: And they're looking at me and I'm looking at them

873
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 9: and I'm going yo. And they were like, we haven't

874
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 9: slept in days. It's like it's non stop, but non stop.

875
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 5: Trying to handle four or five guys. I said, you

876
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 5: know what I called a meeting. I'm the new guy.

877
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 9: I called a meeting and I said, you know, these

878
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 9: guys out here and they're supposed to be protecting us,

879
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 9: and they got our lives in their hands. And I said,

880
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 9: the last thing that I want is some disgruntled worker

881
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 9: here who's claiming that they're working hard and they're saying

882
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 9: they're really totally underpaid.

883
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: I think that at the end of the day that

884
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 5: we're going to have to figure out a system that

885
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 5: allows them to feel good. I know their job is

886
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 5: to protect us, but they'll go the extra mile when

887
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: you got great hard workers and you appreciation. And I said,

888
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 5: so we need to sit down and figure this out.

889
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: And so we came out of the room and successfully

890
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 5: got them a raise and they thought Johnny for president.

891
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: You knew, you knew doing it, you knew you you

892
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: know it.

893
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 9: I was standing and I was outsider. So I'm standing

894
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 9: there looking at all this stuff that's going on, you know.

895
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 9: And for me, when I joined the group, the thing is.

896
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: I always had still had obligations to Motown well actually

897
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: mc A.

898
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 9: But when Gerrol Buzby moved over to Motowner, Busby questions.

899
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 9: So when I vent that, I knew I still had

900
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 9: an opportunity as an artist to be able to express

901
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 9: myself artistically. So it didn't matter to me about being

902
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 9: a part of the group. As a matter of fact,

903
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 9: I often said that it was about teaching me and

904
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 9: giving me balance to be able to be a team

905
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 9: player and play It's like being on the basketball team

906
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 9: and knowing what your role is and then actually being

907
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 9: able to go out at some point and do what

908
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 9: I needed to do as an artist. I always knew that,

909
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 9: so I was always comfortable with whatever role that they

910
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 9: had to play. Jimmy Listen. Terry Lewis told me when

911
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 9: we got there and sat at the table to start recording.

912
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 9: When I first when I came there with him, he said,

913
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 9: you're probably not gonna sing on this album? I said, okay,

914
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 9: I said, no, no problem, just whatever you guys need

915
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 9: me to do.

916
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 11: Heart breaking.

917
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 5: I can tell you what I did do though.

918
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 9: I became a demo singer because I was singing most

919
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 9: of the stuff that they would say.

920
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 5: And then they would come back and Ricka sing the

921
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 5: stuff that I was doing. I was like, oh, I'm

922
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 5: a demo singer here, huh.

923
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: But he sang on five parts Somewhere somewhere exist version

924
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: of the I was going to say. I was going

925
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: to say that how intense were non Brooke payne uh

926
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: tasks in this period of New Edition? As in, do

927
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: you guys do vocal rehearsals? Do you guys decide harmonies?

928
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: Like is?

929
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 5: Oh? We left that all up to Jimmy and Terry.

930
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 5: Brooke handled all of the choreography stuff. I'll never forget

931
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: the day that they asked me but joined the group

932
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: and we went over to Ronnie's house and they had

933
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 5: Brooke the meters over there, and so Brooke goes, okay.

934
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 9: So well, let me see what it is. Can he

935
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 9: do the cross step? And it was like, yo, can

936
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 9: you Jake, can you just do the cross steps? And

937
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 9: it was that, so and then Brooke, Brooke looked.

938
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 5: And just went.

939
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: Really like the video do I look.

940
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 11: Like God, you had two left feet like that?

941
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, man, not even two step?

942
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: That was church boy, what they make that.

943
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 11: There was no dan, no secular stuff at all.

944
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 8: No.

945
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 9: I mean the only second step that we would get

946
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 9: is doing family cookouts when you would hear Marvin Gaye

947
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 9: and some of the other ones.

948
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 5: But other than that, there was a nothing but church

949
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 5: music and ours.

950
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: Or just the holytance and that was it. Heartbreak.

951
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

952
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, Well so he had to work all right, so hard.

953
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 8: How long did it take choreography?

954
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 11: How long did it take for you to finally catch on?

955
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: Wow?

956
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 5: We did? God, that's ah, it was a while.

957
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 9: It was a while because what Brooke would do he

958
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 9: makes you rehearse and in front of the mirror.

959
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: Well, when you learn dancers in front of a mirror.

960
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 5: For me, because I'm not a dancer, I'm like, you

961
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: learn these routines in front of a mirror. Then he

962
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: removes the mirror. Now you have to.

963
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 9: Learn it and you have to have remember memorize it

964
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 9: and the form and all that stuff. So it was

965
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 9: almost like fuck it, just let me start right now

966
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 9: just remember it from here without the mirror, so I

967
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 9: can just have it down firstance. It was like, no,

968
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 9: you got to learn and see what the form is,

969
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 9: what you're doing with the hands where everybody's hands are.

970
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 5: So it was a freaking nightmare.

971
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: What was the logic of all right? So when I

972
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: first seen uh, your first tour with him, you got

973
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: used the Temptation microphone set up? Yeah, yep, what was

974
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: the logic? And also anytime you guys performed you never

975
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: did the traditional format right of Mars. You always had

976
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: the diagonal thing. What was the logic behind that?

977
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 9: Well, because it would work for the for the choreography

978
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 9: because of the different stuff that we was doing that

979
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 9: was intricate. So it was like we were switching mics

980
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 9: and switching positions, and so he would sit them that

981
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 9: the mics in positions where their best work for everybody

982
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 9: because at the end, somebody was gonna be over here

983
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 9: on this side, somebody's gonna be on this side, just

984
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 9: based on the routines. So and the that the five

985
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 9: mic thing was really that our whole Temptations kind.

986
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: Of tribut thing, okay, trivy thing.

987
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 9: But it was like we did a little Medley there

988
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 9: on those on the mics. But everything had like Brooke

989
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 9: just had an eye and of that was just out

990
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 9: of this world.

991
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: And he what have you doing? Stuff? Where you go?

992
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense to me until it all comes

993
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 5: together and you go, oh damn.

994
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: So all the staging and the creativity that usually is

995
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: like Brooks.

996
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 5: Range Child and yeah, and then you would think, oh, man,

997
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 5: he's just picking on me.

998
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 9: He goes, and he would make us go through each

999
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 9: we would have to go through the whole show, from

1000
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 9: the beginning to the end altogether. Then you go one

1001
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 9: by one to go.

1002
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 5: Through the whole show.

1003
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 11: Wait what and if you mess up?

1004
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: I start all over again, start back at the test.

1005
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 5: True? Can you imagine what I had to do? I

1006
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 5: don't think you understand.

1007
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 8: But you got it now, right, because y'all still do

1008
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 8: shows every once and again, you're not You're not the

1009
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 8: one that fall short anymore.

1010
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 9: Like no, no, no, Mike is always the one that would

1011
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 9: go left and then we go, Mike, Mike, that's the

1012
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 9: wrong one.

1013
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: Y'all wrong, man, This is the right way.

1014
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 5: Stop. This is the right one, isn't it. Everybody's going

1015
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 5: this way?

1016
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: All right? So since we're here jam just hit me

1017
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: down and says, ask him why did he hate singing

1018
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: Boys to Men?

1019
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 7: That's the song?

1020
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, dang, John.

1021
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 11: You know.

1022
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 9: When Terry told me, he said, you're probably not gonna

1023
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 9: sing any songs on the album. And then I wind

1024
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 9: up start singing these songs like Cane standing the Rain

1025
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 9: and doing ad libs all that stuff. I'm going, shoot,

1026
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 9: I'm thinking, why can't just sing that song? So and after,

1027
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 9: out of all those great songs, the very last song

1028
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 9: that they decided they was gonna let me do a

1029
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 9: lead full lead on was Boys of Men.

1030
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: So I'm going, oh, this is some political bullshit. I

1031
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I think they just messing with me now,

1032
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 5: because they just and I said, oh, okay, so they're

1033
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 5: gonna give me this piece of bull to sing as

1034
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 5: a whole full song.

1035
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 7: And so I like, what mess the song?

1036
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: Wait time out? Wait?

1037
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 11: Wait time out?

1038
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 1: Though? All right?

1039
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 5: And I was I was really mad, like.

1040
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 7: He trying to tell you to grow up.

1041
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, listen, it's nineteen eight, all right.

1042
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 11: They done came out in eighty seven.

1043
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: Eighty eight, it's eighty so I'm assuming you've recorded in

1044
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: eighty seven. H Okay, So Jim and Lewis are at

1045
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: the height of their powers at this point. Yeah, you

1046
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: had an opinion on a Jam and Lewis song, Yeah, yeah,

1047
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: in eighty seven.

1048
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, because you kind of remember I had already sang

1049
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 9: on can You Stand the Rain and uh, You're not

1050
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 9: my kind of girl, and any Heartbreak, any heartbreak, and

1051
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 9: I'm they're letting me unleash. And then it was like, Okay,

1052
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 9: now we're gonna give you a song for yourself, and

1053
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 9: I'm going the hell like really, And so I'm.

1054
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 5: Listening to the track before there was even because there

1055
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 5: was no vocals on there.

1056
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how do you get a song?

1057
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: Who demo? Were you demoed all the songs on Heartbreak?

1058
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: First? I didn't demo all of them. I dim I

1059
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 5: just would on most of them.

1060
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 9: Some I would do ad libs, come in, do something

1061
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 9: the verse, somebody else come in. He'll let somebody have

1062
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 9: somebody else do mimic or whatever I did, and then

1063
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 9: they would just kind of blend whatever they would do.

1064
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: But but this is what I'm trying to get out

1065
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: of Jam and Lewis, which they never answer, is when

1066
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: they're creating songs together, huh, who's creating that song that

1067
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: that they eventually played an artist.

1068
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 5: Like you never heard?

1069
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 9: No god, I never heard Jimmy Jam sing, never heard

1070
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 9: Oh my god, I gotta find I'm gonna send you

1071
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 9: a couple of jam Is singing.

1072
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 5: And when he sings and all sound my god, it's like,

1073
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 5: you know, I'm typing right now to you.

1074
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: He's telling me what your voice sounds like?

1075
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 11: One of them?

1076
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 7: Come on, John Ammy voice, what's the Jimmy Jam on record?

1077
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 7: What that sounds like?

1078
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 5: No? No, no no no no no no no no.

1079
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: No no, James roon, how do you want me to do?

1080
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 5: What's you know? Do you? Johnny?

1081
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: Do you?

1082
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: I always thought it was Terry Terry words.

1083
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 9: Jerry Terry would do the lyrics and stuff, but Jam

1084
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 9: would sing the melodies for you.

1085
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 5: And I used to go, oh, I want to keep these.

1086
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep these.

1087
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Got them?

1088
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 9: So I was mad and I kept saying, okay, So

1089
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 9: so now y'all just playing bullshit games. Now this is

1090
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 9: some political bulls.

1091
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 5: Wow.

1092
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 11: So did you say can I get a better song

1093
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 11: or like.

1094
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: Ask that?

1095
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 5: No?

1096
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 9: I just said, okay, so you want to play with me?

1097
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 9: I said, I'm a sing the shit out of this song.

1098
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 9: I'm gonna show y'all.

1099
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 5: And that's why I went in there. I was mad

1100
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 5: and I sing mad as hell. I was like, okay, yeah,

1101
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 5: you want to play with me?

1102
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: That was you mad?

1103
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 5: That was me mad.

1104
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't know if I kept.

1105
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 5: Thinking, man, this is bullshit, that all these good songs,

1106
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 5: they're gonna give me this one.

1107
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: Did anybody see the Drew Hill unsung.

1108
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: A thing.

1109
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's brand.

1110
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 10: New Francisco has the same story pretty much about sleeping

1111
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 10: somebody sleeping in my bed. He did not want to

1112
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 10: sing that song, and so the performance he gave was

1113
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 10: he was just mad. He said like, I'm gonna sing

1114
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 10: the funk out of this song.

1115
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: That's what I did with well. And then I was

1116
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I would naturally think that you want to sing the

1117
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: every song let me sleep through my mind now, my

1118
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: my my. I recorded that song and I hate that too.

1119
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1120
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 5: It's not that I hated it. I wasn't sure about

1121
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: that one. And I kept saying, I don't know about

1122
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 5: this because because they were talking about if we recorded it,

1123
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 5: uh and and Joel Buzzley was like, yeah, I think

1124
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 5: this might be your your your next single. This is

1125
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 5: probably gonna be your signal to your song, and I

1126
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 5: was like, really, and I kept saying, I mean it's cool,

1127
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 5: but would you like, would you I don't know about

1128
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 5: that one?

1129
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 7: What was your single? Would you thought? What do you

1130
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 7: think it should be?

1131
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 5: Off of that album? Feel so Much Better was one

1132
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 5: of those songs, and I was just like, oh, so.

1133
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 10: Much Yeah, my favorite song right there, Karen Whit's background,

1134
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 10: Karen when I'm done, I'm done. I was on that

1135
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 10: vibe where I.

1136
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 9: Needed and I remember telling Terry we were still We're

1137
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 9: just pretty much beenised.

1138
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: I did.

1139
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 9: My very last song I recorded was Lady de Jour,

1140
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 9: and I remember telling telling Terry. I said, I looked

1141
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 9: at him and I said, do you think we got enough?

1142
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 9: And Terry looked at me and said, we got way

1143
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 9: more than enough. Negro, goodbye, get out of here, You're gone.

1144
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: You trying to pull more songs than them?

1145
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 5: I just didn't. I was so feeling like, do I

1146
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 5: have enough? Is this album gonna be enough of what

1147
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 5: people was expect?

1148
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: Wait, let me let me ask you, because again, you

1149
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: are a Maverick singer, So let me ask you. Do

1150
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: you respect the art of simplicity?

1151
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1152
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: But I can you can you embrace the song that

1153
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: won't allow you to do your default gymnastics?

1154
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely in hindsight back then, could you see it

1155
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 9: back then?

1156
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: No?

1157
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 10: No.

1158
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 5: Terry used to be like, you got to prove list

1159
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 5: We don't have nothing to prove. It was like at

1160
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 5: that point there was a point where you're just going.

1161
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: You would just go.

1162
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 9: Every time I would go, I would go all in.

1163
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 9: It was like I'm showing you something because if you

1164
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 9: doubt me, I'm gonna show you. So I always thought

1165
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 9: it was that.

1166
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: So you get a hear it one hundred and three

1167
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: seconds and they stopped the tape and be like, no,

1168
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: just sing the melodies.

1169
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 5: Melody, and then they go, okay, now now do your Johnny.

1170
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 5: Now do Johnny.

1171
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 11: So so you have an arrangement with him like okay,

1172
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 11: I'll sing the song here.

1173
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: But then you're okay, give me your.

1174
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: Johnny Yill.

1175
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 9: And let me tell you it was crazy because the

1176
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 9: first person that told me and taught me, or at

1177
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 9: least at that point, I still wasn't there, uh and.

1178
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 5: Mature enough to understand that.

1179
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 9: But Luther told me one day, he said, you know

1180
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 9: my favorite all time Johnny Gill's song and I said

1181
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 9: what he said?

1182
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, Luther was nice to Yeah, I was wanted

1183
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 5: the only people let me tell you what it happened.

1184
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: Wait, like Yo's I've never tell you a nice louting

1185
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: story ever.

1186
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 9: People, the whole crew used to be happy when I

1187
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 9: would walk in or come to one of the shows

1188
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 9: and they go, yo, Johnny's here because men him used

1189
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 9: to go at it, just joning on each other, like

1190
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 9: going none stops. And he used to be and all

1191
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 9: you can hear in there is are screaming.

1192
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 5: He used to call me and would call and go listen.

1193
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 9: He said, look, this is the song I'm getting ready

1194
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 9: to lease as a single, and tell me what you think.

1195
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 9: So you play it and I go, I think that

1196
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 9: shit sucks, and you can say I go, and I go,

1197
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 9: you should probably get it to me. So one year

1198
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 9: he beats me out of the Grammy with here Now,

1199
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 9: and that was going to my mind, right. So he

1200
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 9: used to have these movie nights over his house where

1201
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 9: I mean we everybody who's who used to come. So

1202
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 9: every time I would go over there, he had this

1203
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 9: little case where the Grammys.

1204
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 5: And I would go over there and I start hitting

1205
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 5: the case.

1206
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Go give me my grammy, give me my grammy security.

1207
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 7: That's our first Luther story.

1208
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 9: Then, man, I'm telling you if you if you knew Luther,

1209
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 9: he missed his calling. You're talking about somebody was funny

1210
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 9: as hell and.

1211
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 5: Was quick on his feet. Yo, he was freaking pure genius.

1212
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 7: Like, oh, you know you gotta stay away from him.

1213
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 8: No.

1214
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 9: No, We used to talk about his jerky co He

1215
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 9: was like, yo, you know you only got half of it,

1216
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 9: only took.

1217
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 5: Up here right he goes, He goes, I got curly hair,

1218
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 5: and I said no, no, no, no, no, no, you

1219
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 5: got a half curly hair.

1220
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 9: I said, this, don't even take up in here. So

1221
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 9: but I never had to work with him like that,

1222
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 9: so it was always just fun like when we would talk.

1223
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 9: He came one year, I got so plaster that my

1224
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 9: New Year's uh party.

1225
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 5: I never made it past twelve o'clock. I was drinking

1226
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 5: drinking champagne, I mean drinking wine, and Luther came.

1227
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 9: It was we had this band, everybody's planning and he

1228
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 9: was hanging out and that I passed out before twelve o'clock.

1229
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 5: Luke called me the next day and said, man, man,

1230
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 5: that was a hell of a party. He said, you

1231
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 5: should have been there. Excuse you, man, Wait a minute.

1232
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: It just hit me. It just hit me right now.

1233
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: One question that we never asked him, what how do

1234
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: we how do they ever orchestrate a Luther Vanders velvet devote? Yeah,

1235
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson song idea which I know was recorded Minnesota,

1236
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: so I know you have to be around in proximity.

1237
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: Were you nowhere around when this happened? Is Luther velvet

1238
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: Devoteet Jackson for the more money?

1239
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 11: Sounds right right?

1240
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 5: For the more money? Because I did my own.

1241
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had Let's Just run Away?

1242
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 5: I had Let's just run Away.

1243
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is my ship all the time.

1244
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 5: That was a simple, simplistic kind of a joint that

1245
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 5: we just had.

1246
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: George sample, that was yeah.

1247
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, we gotta talk about the soundtrack run too.

1248
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 7: Got to talk about lrgs. I just I mean not

1249
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 7: larg I mean.

1250
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

1251
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 5: Yeah. I did my own that one. I remember. I'll

1252
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 5: never forget that.

1253
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you are all right, so you and

1254
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: Luthor never had a professional relationship, so you could be

1255
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: cordial with.

1256
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 11: Each other, Yeah, we were.

1257
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 5: It was always fun but fun.

1258
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: Okay, give us an example of like, Okay, so when

1259
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: you're doing like Black Men United or something. I mean,

1260
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: when it's time for Gladiator Sport, how do you now

1261
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: seeing someone night speaking of LSG Okay, So we were

1262
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: doing this is so weird to say, the Roots and

1263
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: Chico the barge. We're doing a show together at like

1264
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: uh LA, what's the outdoor Hollywood Ball or something like that.

1265
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: This must have been pre d Angelo. No, it was

1266
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: actually phrenology period, right. But the thing the thing was

1267
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: is that so Joe and Chic are doing uh No Guarantees.

1268
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: I think that was their join together. And so by

1269
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: this point we had just got friendly with uh Gerald, yeah,

1270
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: because he was part of he was part of a

1271
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 1: break you off, right, Yeah, so you know he's hanging

1272
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: with us backstage, and so he's he's backstage and he's

1273
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: watching uh Chico and and and Joe like trying to

1274
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: get the women all roused up and all that stuff

1275
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 1: and everything, and he's looking at it. He's like, man,

1276
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I should be good.

1277
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 5: And I was like, wait, what do you mean.

1278
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 11: He's like, man, I should just go out there and.

1279
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: Listen get him literally yeah, And he was like, oh,

1280
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: I can't help myself, and he ran on stage and

1281
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: then like it was like the flat in the balloon,

1282
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: she goes microphone and just started sh.

1283
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 7: And none of them muscles mind it anymore.

1284
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: And literally the art like there's a crazy shit ever seen.

1285
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: So with that type of gladiators port with singing, not now,

1286
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: because again it's like singers are a novelty today. Yeah,

1287
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: but back then, how how did you nuance it so

1288
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't hurt people's feelings? Then?

1289
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 5: Jerrold used to I swear to you, Geryl would call

1290
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 5: me and go, hey, I'm getting ready to do the

1291
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 5: show in Chicago. Blah blah blahs on there, blah blah

1292
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 5: Bla's on there, blah blah blah, I'm gonna tear the

1293
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 5: asses up where you at. I'm like, I'm on my way.

1294
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 5: So and we would actually we would double tea. I

1295
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 5: swear to God, I would call him.

1296
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 9: Sometimes they go, Yo, I'm doing the show and Vegas.

1297
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 9: I got blah blah blah's on that, blah blah blah.

1298
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 9: Let's going like the ass up. He goes, I'm coming.

1299
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 5: I'm on my way.

1300
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: Us.

1301
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 5: The double team all right.

1302
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: Is there is there without you know, because we're not

1303
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: gotcha journalism who would you say who did you have

1304
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: a friendly rivalry with at least like in terms of

1305
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: like that you wanted to go at, but not not

1306
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: level for sports, because again I know that your level

1307
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: of singing is is out of this world, but es

1308
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: are you know, like.

1309
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 5: You won't to be honest you and now I'm gonna

1310
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 5: be really honest.

1311
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 9: And it's not even like it was a rivalry or

1312
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 9: friendly ribery because I just never particularly care for for

1313
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 9: Brian Knight, and so every time every time I would

1314
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 9: get on the show or go on to show with him,

1315
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 9: you best believe you're gonna see Johnny tearing that house

1316
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 9: inside out.

1317
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 5: And it was all always been personal.

1318
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: Wow, I just never wait, you know, like I'm trying

1319
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: to be politically correct on the show, make the artists.

1320
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 5: Feel safe, and yeah, and he knows it.

1321
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 9: I mean, it's not what happened with him, It's just

1322
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 9: something happened in the past that was just like, what's

1323
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 9: this guy always just kind of made it like her name,

1324
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 9: he was cool, and then he was just one of

1325
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 9: those guys sometimes he guys like I don't I can't

1326
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 9: deal with sometime people one minute they cool with you,

1327
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 9: the next minute you see him the right like, I'm

1328
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 9: from DC and I'm just someone I'm consistent.

1329
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 5: The guy that you see today, you'll see next week,

1330
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 5: next year, in the following.

1331
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: And so I was like, yo, sometimes, yeah, So I've

1332
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: seen him on well, we don't talk.

1333
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 5: We see each other, We've been in the same building.

1334
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 5: He can tell you what the smokes feel like and

1335
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:55,479
Speaker 5: smell like. But I'm just saying, but we don't wow

1336
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 5: my mind mind. And you know, that's the only thing

1337
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 5: I had. My issue was with him was just I

1338
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 5: don't like people that are inconsistent.

1339
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 9: And when I've seen him when he first started and

1340
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 9: how much he and he was influenced by me and

1341
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 9: all the other things. And then you watch this guy

1342
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 9: overtime and then you see him and it was like, hey,

1343
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 9: what's happening to act like you know you did next

1344
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 9: time you see him.

1345
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 5: He would turn and act like he's you go to yo,

1346
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 5: what's up man? And he's kind of like the give

1347
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 5: me that, and it was like, hey, yo, for real.

1348
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 9: So one night we're playing and he was opening no,

1349
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 9: he was the headliner for the New Edition show.

1350
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: He wanted to close.

1351
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 5: He wanted to close, and we was like, he want

1352
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 5: to close for real.

1353
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: We was like, people want to clothes.

1354
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 5: So I was like, okay.

1355
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 9: We was like, guess we had an issue where and

1356
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 9: I think it was in uh Westbury and Mike and

1357
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 9: I think Ron they was in the car and their

1358
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 9: car got was in traffic something.

1359
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 5: So the show needed to get started and the show

1360
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 5: was running really really far behind. So we had asked

1361
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 5: him if he would go on first and then we

1362
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 5: just closed, and he was like no. So I was

1363
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 5: like wow, I'm going, Wow, how disrespectful is that?

1364
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 9: And I mean, you know it was he realized it

1365
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 9: was a tough think about trying to follow after noon.

1366
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 9: They all ballots exactly, so you imagine trying to follow

1367
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 9: us what that was like when you could hear an

1368
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 9: echo by the time we finish in the house. And

1369
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 9: I'm not saying it's a talented guy and I like

1370
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 9: his music. I'm just saying, but he so when he

1371
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 9: said no, I was the only one that was pissing.

1372
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 9: I'm from DC. You know, I know how to be

1373
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 9: politically correct. And then I also can turn to this

1374
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 9: other guy with Southeast coming out.

1375
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 5: So I got on the mic because I told him, hey, listen,

1376
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 5: we're getting ready to we can only give y'all what

1377
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 5: we can because we asked we wanted to make sure

1378
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 5: you guys got your money worth, and we asked Brian

1379
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 5: to go on before you guys, before us, so that

1380
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 5: we could make sure you guys will get the full show.

1381
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 5: And he says no. I said, so, we only can

1382
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 5: do what we can do. And I think we might

1383
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 5: have did maybe fifteen minutes at the most, fifty twenty

1384
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 5: minutes at the most. So then I was, you know,

1385
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 5: I mean, looking back out in the hindsight, maybe it

1386
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 5: wasn't the right thing to do, but I just said,

1387
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen, get ready for Brian McKnight. Get your

1388
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 5: pillows and blankets.

1389
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: And so.

1390
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 5: So. So Mick was like, yo, man, He's like, yo,

1391
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 5: what's up? Like y'all you know, man, I was like, listen, man,

1392
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 5: how disrespectful.

1393
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 9: I mean, the reality is that we want to give

1394
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 9: these people there, you know, their money's worth. And I'm

1395
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 9: going this is not like it's on every night thing.

1396
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 9: It was like, you can go on and we'll closed.

1397
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 9: This is not like it's going to make or break

1398
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 9: your career. So it was just one of those things

1399
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 9: that I always felt like, yo, man, you really feel

1400
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 9: like you're like that, like that's you know, it's not

1401
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 9: that serious. We all artists and we all need to understand. Listen,

1402
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 9: there's a number of people I'm not going on dying.

1403
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 9: I understand what my catalog is. I know where I

1404
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 9: belong and figure out how you make the show elevate

1405
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 9: and make sure people leave ultimately going the whole show

1406
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 9: was incredible, not I. Somebody brings them here and then

1407
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 9: I'm coming here knowing my catalog does not fit there

1408
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 9: and have and bring people down.

1409
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 5: It's like, figure out where you belong. It ain't gonna make.

1410
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 9: Or break your career to figure out how to be

1411
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 9: a part of a great show, make people leave thinking

1412
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 9: and feeling like I got my money's worth. So that's

1413
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 9: just my way of thinking. And then that's the only

1414
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 9: thing that became an issue for me with him.

1415
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 7: How damn I dropped my Yeah would take six though, right, brother?

1416
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I like that body so yeah, but no,

1417
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 5: really we still don't to this day. We walk, we'll

1418
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 5: see each other in the same room. We don't speak,

1419
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 5: we don't see anything.

1420
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: We just cool, man, We got it.

1421
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 7: We brothers got everybody can't be we canna just be.

1422
01:09:51,040 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: With silent brothers. So I said aside, Well, besides that,

1423
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: like what what artists like? Do you truly respect? And

1424
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 1: you you bowed down to like who are your favorites?

1425
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 5: Of course Luther, of course, Teddy, I love Jeffrey Osborne,

1426
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 5: Stevie my ultimate you know, that's that's my that's my

1427
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 5: heart there.

1428
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 7: And period?

1429
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: Did I say down?

1430
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 5: You have the way? Who can I say in this?

1431
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 5: I love what Neil does. I like Neo, I like

1432
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 5: Jahim okay ex Millennial, Yeah, I like Joe okay, I

1433
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 5: like Joe.

1434
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: Uh where do you where do you feel that soul

1435
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: music is is?

1436
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 5: Oh?

1437
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: God? Now I'm asking questions that I hate, like here,

1438
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: what do you think about our young rappers?

1439
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 8: Now? No?

1440
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: But it's.

1441
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 11: How how disheartening is it to you.

1442
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: To see? Well, this is like a two.

1443
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 11: Prong question. One is just like singing is not what

1444
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 11: it was when you were.

1445
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: Coming up, especially with now with technology and how it is,

1446
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: whereas now you know, like well s anybody with he's

1447
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: still who's still alive?

1448
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 5: Now?

1449
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying like.

1450
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 11: Where you're you're where.

1451
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: Your auto tune rapper is mostly singing? Now?

1452
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 8: Well?

1453
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: You know I don't have a problem. And but with that,

1454
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: but then on top of that, uh I I guess

1455
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: right now, it seems as though, like most when you

1456
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: think of soul singers, it's people that don't look like you.

1457
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: And I'm in the one hand, I'm like, okay, well, yeah,

1458
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: I can see that you've been influenced by this and

1459
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: you listen to this artist, so you know, what, are

1460
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: you more just me that more black people aren't carrying

1461
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: the baton, or or that maybe we just don't know

1462
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: about them. I still think that there's singers out there.

1463
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 5: There's a lot of singers that are still out there.

1464
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 5: There are still singers that are making R and B music.

1465
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 5: It's not the artist, it's the industry. It's the industry,

1466
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 5: it's the you know, everybody. You know.

1467
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 9: Music is just totally segregated now, there's no I mean,

1468
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 9: everything is based on research.

1469
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 5: The kids and I stream like, it's just that we

1470
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 5: have to look and understand.

1471
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 9: That the one thing about a hit record is when

1472
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 9: you say a hit, it has something that's magical that

1473
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 9: resonates with people.

1474
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 5: That's why it becomes unique. That's why it becomes special.

1475
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 5: That's why it becomes a hit because it can connect

1476
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 5: with people. And I think the problem is that we're

1477
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 5: allowing the industry's just gotten to a point where everything

1478
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 5: is a category and it's so it doesn't even allow

1479
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 5: even out the new generation and these kids to really

1480
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 5: really grow up and be educated to understand what music

1481
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 5: really is or what's you know, what's a great song,

1482
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 5: because they're like, if you've never had soul food, how

1483
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 5: are you gonna appreciate all everyone or even have a.

1484
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: Desire for soul food.

1485
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 9: And I believe that it's just gotten to a point

1486
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 9: where it's not so much of the artists that are

1487
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 9: still out there, they're just not getting a shot. It's

1488
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 9: tough to take even though there's something a lot that

1489
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 9: I'm making music, but they're not able to not get

1490
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 9: an opportunity to be heard. And that's only due to

1491
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 9: because of the way this industry is now. Everything has

1492
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 9: been diluted. It's like, if it's got to be if this.

1493
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 5: Person's not on it, if this is the artist, you

1494
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 5: belong over here, not because of the song, it's just

1495
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 5: based on from here in the ac over here, because

1496
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: that's your name, that's where you are, that's how old

1497
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 5: you are, and it's just gotten so crazy that it's

1498
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 5: just hurt the industry and it's still hurting us. And

1499
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 5: I don't think it's gonna get any better until we

1500
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 5: can get or people begin to understand and recognize and

1501
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 5: identify when you just got great music, great songs, and

1502
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 5: you see that it's reacting. People are gravitating to allow

1503
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 5: everybody to be able to have and enjoy it and

1504
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 5: stop trying to control and trying to put everything in

1505
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 5: a category. Everything though it is necessarily belong in a category.

1506
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 5: If it's just great, it's great. If it works and

1507
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 5: it feels good, it feels good. And I just think

1508
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 5: that it's just gotten so bad now that it's we're

1509
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 5: choking and the killing ourselves.

1510
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 8: But at the same time, what does it feel like

1511
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 8: for you to still be making new music and be embraced,

1512
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 8: like still be playing on the radio, like do get

1513
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 8: that number one?

1514
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful. I am grateful, and I'm just doing

1515
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 5: my part. When you listen to the.

1516
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 9: Songs that I recorded on this new album, Game Changer two,

1517
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 9: I'm doing as a musician, stretching out being able to

1518
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 9: do music that I enjoy doing. But I never compromise

1519
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 9: who Johnny gill Is, and I understand that it's important

1520
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 9: to do that, make sure you stay and be who

1521
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 9: you are, and making sure that my audience can appreciate

1522
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 9: what I'm doing here. But at the same time, I'm

1523
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 9: also allowing myself, from an artistic standpoint, to be.

1524
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 5: Able to do and try the things that I enjoy.

1525
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 5: The music that I enjoy. When you listen to me

1526
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 5: myself would call Santana and sheili E.

1527
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 9: I love that type of music, and I was able

1528
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 9: to be able to enjoy it and bring them on

1529
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 9: and collaborate with them to do something that I've always

1530
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 9: wanted to do, but I don't.

1531
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 5: When you hear me singing, you still hear Johnny Uh

1532
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 5: And I think that it's just for me.

1533
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 9: I'm grateful that people I can see because when I

1534
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 9: go to work there's sold out shows, which tells you

1535
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 9: it's a blessing first and.

1536
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 5: Foremost that they still want to hear from you. More importantly,

1537
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 5: and I believe that there's just still a number of

1538
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 5: people that really appreciate what we do and uh And

1539
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 5: I believe everything comes full circle. I think it's cycles.

1540
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 5: We go through these cycles, but I think at the

1541
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 5: end of the day, I think that it's like everything else,

1542
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 5: real music, true music, true artists, true musicians. It goes

1543
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 5: through a cycle. But you know, I don't think that

1544
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 5: you can keep us down forever. It always comes back.

1545
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: I have a question. Okay, so you and and Rizz

1546
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: did your do it together on on the album? Yeah,

1547
01:16:53,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Ralph. Uh It's is.

1548
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 5: To tell you how thank you.

1549
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: Is. Because the thing is, after the biopick came out,

1550
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: I feel like this new edition biopic is doing is

1551
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: doing better for you guys what the Temptations couldn't do

1552
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: with their biopick and even the Jackson's couldn't do with

1553
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: their biopick. And you know, I know that there's politics

1554
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: in the group, and there's six of y'all, and ya

1555
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: YadA yadao.

1556
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 11: We know the drama.

1557
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: But it's like if there ever was a time when

1558
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: y'all have millennials in the palm of your hands, Like

1559
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: it's now to the point that you know, i'd see

1560
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean kids born like after two thousand and five,

1561
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: like that young.

1562
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, quoting the movie.

1563
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so they're mostly invested in you guys, and

1564
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: y'all have yet to really not cashing but really just

1565
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: that that's about yet to take that victory lap.

1566
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 7: But what does that look like? Because they y'all did

1567
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 7: do stuff like no, they did show the.

1568
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: New addition has yet to reunite and tour behind that

1569
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: BT movie.

1570
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 7: But they did. I thought you did.

1571
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 5: And no, I mean we did one show after that movie,

1572
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 5: and that was the Steve Harvey thing. I think we

1573
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 5: did after that.

1574
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 2: That was it.

1575
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 5: The internal issues that goes on with this group has

1576
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 5: been going on since for thirty some years. We find

1577
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 5: our way back, we go off, we forget you, we

1578
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 5: come right back. We're like a married couple.

1579
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 9: And what I kept telling everybody is that you know

1580
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 9: what happens when a married couple when they love each

1581
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 9: other and they keep breaking up, coming back, breaking up.

1582
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: The problem is.

1583
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 9: You have to deal with the core issue here because

1584
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 9: as much as you love each other, until you deal

1585
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 9: with the issue and that straightened out, what you're doing

1586
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 9: is you know you love each other, so you break away,

1587
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 9: come back, and you still got the same problem. So

1588
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 9: you end back up with the same outcome and something

1589
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 9: has to change. And so even with Kobe, just recently,

1590
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 9: we all started texting each other.

1591
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 5: I love you, man, I love you. I love you, man,

1592
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 5: this is crazy.

1593
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: We all six of you.

1594
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 11: It was I would love to see.

1595
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 5: W and we were we were.

1596
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 9: And what I said to everyone, which I think is important,

1597
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 9: is that what we learned was life just sent us

1598
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 9: all a message that it don't discriminate, don't.

1599
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 5: Give a fuck who you are. And at some point

1600
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 5: this call could have been and this could have been

1601
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 5: any one of us, so you realize that at some

1602
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 5: point we need to take heed.

1603
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 9: Then a few weeks ago, not even a few ago,

1604
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 9: by a week ago, Ronnie's brother Rob, who works with me,

1605
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 9: on his way from Atlanta.

1606
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 5: I was playing the Baton Rouge last weekend, he fell ill.

1607
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 5: They had to airlift him actually to a hospital in Atlanta. Now,

1608
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 5: Rob is Ronnie's brother, who's the biggest New Edition man,

1609
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 5: and he sits even though he works with me, he's

1610
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 5: always the guy that's sitting there going, man, y'all brothers

1611
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: a man, y'all need to stop this. Y'all need to

1612
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 5: come together man. And he's that guy. And I was

1613
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 5: like when I sat when I got that call, and

1614
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, okay, wait a minute,

1615
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 5: we just got a warning. And with Kobe and then

1616
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 5: who knows who knew a week later that it was

1617
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 5: going to step inside of our family and the one

1618
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 5: person that everybody loves Rob. It affected everybody and it

1619
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 5: was like, okay, well, so what are we doing here?

1620
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 5: Is this really? I mean when you put in a perspective,

1621
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 5: So I'm the oldest, so I've often said, and I

1622
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 5: told them, I was like, you know, forget who's right

1623
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 5: and who's wrong. We all just got to do better.

1624
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 5: We got to do better.

1625
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: We all do.

1626
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 5: And I said, and at some point that means that

1627
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 5: we have to look at ourselves, be honest and begin

1628
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 5: to try to figure out what we need to do

1629
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 5: if we never step foot on stage again in life.

1630
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 5: But how to get all these years and the things

1631
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 5: that we've done together, and the memories that we created,

1632
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 5: the impact that we've had, if we never stand on

1633
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 5: that stage again. There's no rhyme or reason for us

1634
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 5: as family members, as brothers to not have some level

1635
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 5: of a family of a relationship as brothers, as men.

1636
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 5: And so we've been you know, we've talked, we've had

1637
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 5: those conversations, and that's just where things are. And I

1638
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 5: think that you know, time, time heals wounds. And I

1639
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 5: think that who knows what's going to happen, what lies ahead,

1640
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 5: But I do know that my main goal, and like

1641
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 5: I've told them, and I feel that it's important, is

1642
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 5: that we all better take heed because as you began

1643
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 5: to believe or you saw what happened to Kobe, and

1644
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 5: then you see, it got even closer in our house,

1645
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 5: with our own family. So we gotta take us take

1646
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 5: a step back here and figure out what is it

1647
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 5: that the good lawd is trying to tell us.

1648
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: I suggest the Metallica, some kind of monstrous rales. I

1649
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: suggest therapy. I'm now I'm gonna say Lawrenxander on everyone,

1650
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that yeah, Lawrenceander. She she is the no she.

1651
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,879
Speaker 1: Lawrenxander is the group whisper. She keeps groups together.

1652
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something. It's crazy.

1653
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: You know what I said to them this evening, We

1654
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 1: need a counselor.

1655
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 7: This is the first time that sentence has ever been

1656
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 7: that's crazy. This is the first time that sentence has

1657
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 7: ever been said amongst your group.

1658
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 8: Wow.

1659
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: But people don't think about that. People don't think about

1660
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: that very first time. Seriously, Like normally I'm really giving,

1661
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't have to pay for no more therapy. After

1662
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: I give her this this endorsement. Know what what she

1663
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: what Lawrenceander does. She's like well known in the industry

1664
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: and and she fixes groups basically like managers will hire

1665
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: her to keep uh groups in tech and it will

1666
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 1: be over small ship.

1667
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 7: It don't have to be in your business. But that

1668
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 7: means that both of y'all are see her.

1669
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't mean to no, no, no, I see I

1670
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: saw our individual like she's she saw. She's everyone's person like, well,

1671
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to people out.

1672
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 7: Question right right right, No, no, no.

1673
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: She's not our group person. However, our good friend was

1674
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: her very well. She works with them and the Live

1675
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 1: Nation people like she'll come into companies and fix she fixed.

1676
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: She's the real fixture secret like Dan. It's kind of

1677
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: like the out She's the real.

1678
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 11: Fix your life person. Yes, but how funny did you

1679
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 11: say that I highly recommend that.

1680
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 7: No seriously, because you knew of her when I'm Saturday.

1681
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, not just the fact of

1682
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 5: what I suggested that I thought would remit and then

1683
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 5: you know she's that person to.

1684
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 7: Everybody was open open shop, like six people on the line.

1685
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to see that. I want to see

1686
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 1: and you like, I don't want to wait till y'all

1687
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: like seventy doing.

1688
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 5: What not act when I'm singing and then I have

1689
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 5: to stop and go hold on all that thought.

1690
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, wait, I only wait. Were you with

1691
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: us when we got like were you with us in

1692
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: Philly when we got that uh plaque?

1693
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 5: And Philly?

1694
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: The what do you want? The diner? Which one?

1695
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 7: You know what I'm where?

1696
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 5: Came?

1697
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 8: Right?

1698
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, so you were there that night when the

1699
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 1: Tramps also performed. All right, I'm just saying, no, what

1700
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: happened during this The Tramps performed, you know because they

1701
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: got honored as well. But it was like you remember

1702
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: you remember the sketch on Living Color when they were

1703
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: doing the old train like oh no, like members like

1704
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: two and wheelchairs three with the walkers with the tennis

1705
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: balls at the bottom like one member it had like

1706
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: a good leg.

1707
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 7: I got up before that happened.

1708
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no, I'm just no more power to the

1709
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: tramp even though they ate, they still going on. I'm

1710
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: just saying that there's this is valuable real estate time

1711
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: for a new addition to all come back.

1712
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 10: And and and you know, I'll just say I still

1713
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 10: have never seen the audition live, so I need I

1714
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 10: still need. I need y'all to come back and do

1715
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 10: at least one more tour.

1716
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm lucky, people pieces my sisters went to see Heartbreak Tour.

1717
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 5: I was not to go. I was.

1718
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: I was too I was. I was like ten. I wasn't.

1719
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't even think I was ten then, but like

1720
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: I was too young. Togo so and then, well, I've

1721
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: seen four shows, but I've not seen Super Group Status

1722
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: New Edition do it?

1723
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 11: So wow?

1724
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: Wow? Well you know, I listen, you're saying you're board,

1725
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 1: your bored, You're way for me.

1726
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 5: I think that. I mean, I'll often say this, and

1727
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 5: I'll say it again. I truly believe that.

1728
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 9: What we've done over the thirty something years plus, that

1729
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 9: we've had our differences and we always seem to find

1730
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 9: our way back. It always seemed to find its way

1731
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 9: and come back together. And I honestly believe that this

1732
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 9: is gonna be a different at some point. It's I

1733
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 9: believe good, he's got his hands in it, and uh,

1734
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 9: it's gonna come.

1735
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 5: I'm together.

1736
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to say this, because when you do

1737
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: these meetings at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

1738
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,799
Speaker 1: what make it happen. It's kind of like what happens

1739
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: in this room with the thirty of us stays in

1740
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: this room. But I think I can at least say

1741
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: that No, in the last in the last two years,

1742
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: your names have been brought up as serious considerations.

1743
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 11: I'm part of the board that decides.

1744
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 7: The So that'll be the I see what you're doing here,

1745
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 7: You see what you're doing.

1746
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: No, dude, four years, four years, and you do it.

1747
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: You stand in front of a jewelry and you give

1748
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: your closing arguments, Da da da da, four years in

1749
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: a row.

1750
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 11: Finally with Janet, now like I need a new cause

1751
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 11: to yeah.

1752
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 7: No, but no, new edition is the new cause.

1753
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 1: New edition is yeah.

1754
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 5: And we're still making records.

1755
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 9: We're still doing because I've often said, whatever success that

1756
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 9: I have, it still reflects on this group. I mean,

1757
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 9: I've you know, read number one records, Ralph, the records

1758
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 9: that we have that's doing incredibly well. I don't care

1759
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 9: how you chopped up, you said, Johnny and Ralph, but

1760
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 9: we're all still the power of that tree.

1761
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 1: And so it still reflects on You're you're the voice,

1762
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: is like you're the crucial part of the tree. Intended

1763
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 1: you said crucial. Okay, but when is it?

1764
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 7: But my last question is, but when the last time

1765
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 7: you talked to Stacey though.

1766
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 5: She deep?

1767
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 7: That's an interesting sentence. Go ahead, tell me more.

1768
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: No, not now the DEVI DM something. No, she's a preacher.

1769
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 7: So she's still singing in her own way.

1770
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's still and every once in the blue moon

1771
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 5: should hit me.

1772
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: You know, DM me on Twitter once like three years ago.

1773
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I hope she's still on Twitter. What was you about

1774
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: to say, John, I was talking about my wisconcert. No,

1775
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: I know I was.

1776
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 8: He looked like he was holding something. I just thought

1777
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 8: he had something else.

1778
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I.

1779
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Jumped.

1780
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 5: I've been dmned, you know a few times on Twitter.

1781
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 5: I've been doing too, going.

1782
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: Somewhere else with all this comedy, John, what you're doing

1783
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: with all the issues.

1784
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 5: I got issues And think about most of my buddies,

1785
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 5: like Eddie and and all my crew.

1786
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 11: It's like inner circle. It's like you are a part

1787
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 11: of that circle.

1788
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 9: All we do is sit around and blast stuff, and

1789
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 9: it's like until Eddie goes yo. Yeah, looking around here,

1790
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 9: look at this house. I built this on jokes.

1791
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 5: Niggas don't want no part.

1792
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 8: Of me.

1793
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: Speaking of your buddies, and your golfing buddy is Sam Jackson, right.

1794
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 9: Yes, that's my road dog there, old Sam. He just

1795
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 9: he's recovering from back surgery. So I haven't had a

1796
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 9: pigeon in a while.

1797
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 5: So he's uh. Me and him fight every morning. Oh

1798
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 5: my god.

1799
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: We we just go at it.

1800
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 9: And I swear to you, I haven't as much as

1801
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 9: I love golf, I just haven't had just the desire

1802
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 9: to want to play like I've been a moment we played.

1803
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 9: Since he's been off and he's healing, but he's he's

1804
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 9: doing much better.

1805
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 5: He's moving around walking.

1806
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 9: I'm just looking and watching and monitoring everything to make

1807
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 9: sure he's doing what he needs to do because I

1808
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 9: need some of the music that.

1809
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: That movie money, because you know, because he got he's

1810
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: convinced you.

1811
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the one that got in this movie that

1812
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 5: we we uh story, so yeah.

1813
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's playing Clarence Burgh.

1814
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 5: Sam's idea. I'm just like, he was like, man, I

1815
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 5: think you ought to take a look at this character.

1816
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 7: I was like, what, Yeah, Yeah, you got some characters

1817
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 7: and you need to get come out.

1818
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 5: I don't know when they're gonna when it's gonna be released.

1819
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, I can't wait for that. And Sam is

1820
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 1: playing George Clinton in the movie. Wow yeah really yeah.

1821
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 9: We're on a course playing and he's singing all those songs.

1822
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 9: I'm like, the hell are you doing, Sam Jackson, You're

1823
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 9: throwing off my game.

1824
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 11: Really, I cannot wait for this.

1825
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson is playing George Clinton and the Neil Bourdgart story.

1826
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: That is crazy. I have to say that out loud

1827
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: just to He's playing Clarence Burger the five stairsteps.

1828
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 11: Yes, wow, yeah.

1829
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: Do you see more acting in your future?

1830
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 10: I mean it's not like this was your first because

1831
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 10: I remember those Family Matters episodes.

1832
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 5: I like, acting thing is fun, it's cool, but that

1833
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,759
Speaker 5: hurry up wait yeah, I understand that you have no patience.

1834
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 5: Like I'm like, man.

1835
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I hated about working in

1836
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: a record labels was a hurry up and wait.

1837
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, hurry up and wait man. It's like man, Like

1838
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 5: I remember sometimes we would all hang out on the

1839
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 5: set and it's three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning,

1840
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 5: Eddie's getting ready to do another scene. Everybody in the

1841
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 5: trailer like this. We're like yeah, we were like yo, this,

1842
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 5: d you can't really gonna try to be funny.

1843
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: What he gets paid for.

1844
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 5: But I'm like, man, I don't feel bad. I don't

1845
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 5: feel sorry for you. Shoot, because man, we do all

1846
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 5: get to reap the benefits from your hard.

1847
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 7: Work nice, like like a male Oprah.

1848
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I like that as.

1849
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 5: He's just you know, EDI's just a pure genius.

1850
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 7: I mean like he's just you can do it in

1851
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 7: his sleep, Dola Mike brought it back. It was like

1852
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 7: sleep all right?

1853
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: So Bill, do you have all year? Damn?

1854
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 5: You?

1855
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: All right, there's the thing before I always want to

1856
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: wrap the show. Then it's always like ten minutes when

1857
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: the show's over, and then we're.

1858
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 5: Like, damn, I forgot to ask did you have a

1859
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,560
Speaker 5: saythem about L S G? Did you?

1860
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:00,759
Speaker 7: And we didn't get.

1861
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna say the idea of Eddie Eddie

1862
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: replacing Ah was that what.

1863
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 5: Happened for and we're still gonna do that. That's what

1864
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 5: Keith and I was just talking about.

1865
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 9: Wow, we're gonna just bring bring pop in and uh

1866
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 9: and and and maybe a couple of other people.

1867
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 5: Just guess with us on another different Now that's something

1868
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 5: that's gonna happen.

1869
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 8: Absolutely was that the second time you've been about into

1870
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 8: a super group or was that just the one that

1871
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 8: you picked?

1872
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 7: Because I feel like I don't know.

1873
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 5: I look for the work and don't I was about

1874
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 5: to say anybody else got anything opportunity because I'm just

1875
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 5: trying to make a sure that is my life right now.

1876
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I got some work.

1877
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 5: I look back at my journey and I'm like, man,

1878
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 5: what the heck? I mean from a soul artist do

1879
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 5: that stuff with Stacey to new addition to l s G.

1880
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 5: Then I had his stay with me, Bobby and Ralph.

1881
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, we just go.

1882
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 9: I just I love just doing things and being put

1883
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 9: in the position that uh that doesn't allow me to

1884
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 9: dependenthole me and allow me to be able to just

1885
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 9: express myself in just different areas.

1886
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 5: So I enjoy it.

1887
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: The younger artists now call and ask you for advice,

1888
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: like you ever think like, okay, well maybe management or

1889
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: his management like too much of a logistical, non creative

1890
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: nightmare for you.

1891
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's called babysitting, and I'm not a very

1892
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 9: good babysitter.

1893
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 1: I go to organizer. Well, yeah they do.

1894
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, you organized that met.

1895
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:36,520
Speaker 1: You organized j Yeah. Yeah, he's an organizer.

1896
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 5: I'm the Yeah.

1897
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was speaking secret talk.

1898
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 8: But that's okay. I think we figured out what you're saying.

1899
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,919
Speaker 8: You're saying that sometimes he organizes parties and other things.

1900
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 5: Handling deal with so many Why I'm the go to

1901
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 5: guy with most of my friends that how to get everything.

1902
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 5: It's just I don't know.

1903
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Well, yeah, which no answers, which

1904
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: answers my question. Yes, you do know how the babysit, Yeah,

1905
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: and solve problems, problems, that's my m O.

1906
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 9: And then you would think that I'm doctor Phil. I

1907
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 9: have no idea, And I'm like, why does everybody listen

1908
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 9: to me?

1909
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,520
Speaker 1: Because you're a preacher.

1910
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 5: Son it it's never ending with everybody, and I mean

1911
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 5: it's just from the who's who to it's always something

1912
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 5: and it's like everybody, I'm just going, why they listen

1913
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 5: to me? You got it right? See? But I love people,

1914
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 5: and I always understand.

1915
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 9: I knew and I truly understand that when you're listening

1916
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 9: to people, you have to learn how to listen, because

1917
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 9: there's there's that there's an art to that too as well,

1918
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 9: to learn how to listen and always understanding that I

1919
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 9: don't ever use that if I was you, because you're

1920
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 9: not me. Recognizing that there's always two sides or three

1921
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 9: sides to every story. So when someone's talking, you know

1922
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 9: you're gonna be dealing with them telling their story and

1923
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 9: they going to be the victim when it's.

1924
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 5: All said and done.

1925
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 9: So you have to learn how to read between the lines,

1926
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 9: deal with those things. Ask those questions, what hand did

1927
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 9: you have? They're not here to defend themselves. Let me

1928
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 9: ask you, what hand do you think you're had? And

1929
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 9: I go through It's a whole process that you go through.

1930
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 9: To me, it's, oh my god, let me tell you

1931
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 9: you have no idea.

1932
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 5: I've lost a few relationships because they're like, my god,

1933
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 5: can you just your phone. It's like, hey, listen, I'm

1934
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,640
Speaker 5: just being obedient. I'm doing what God want me to do.

1935
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it is what it is.

1936
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 5: So you have to at some point be patient. Good,

1937
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 5: I'll listen, I deal with it all.

1938
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. I do remember a question.

1939
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 10: Yes, one of my greatest regrets about this show is

1940
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 10: that we'll never get to have Roger Troutman on. You've

1941
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 10: worked with Roger? Yeah, can you give us a Roger

1942
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 10: story something about oh my god.

1943
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 9: Let me tell you my very first song I ever

1944
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 9: wrote and produced. Played all the instruments on a song

1945
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,759
Speaker 9: called It's Your Body. So I I had a dummy

1946
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 9: bull corder on there and I was like, Yo, it

1947
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 9: would be cool. We can get rods on here.

1948
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 5: So I called him. He was in Hawaii and I

1949
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 5: asked him if he would be on the song with me.

1950
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 5: So he told me to send him this song. And

1951
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 5: before I sent it, I actually played it from the phone.

1952
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 5: And so he's quiet and he goes, you wrote that.

1953
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 5: I said yeah. He said you wrote that. I said, yeah,

1954
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 5: you wrote that. I said yeah. He said, I'm gonna

1955
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 5: come and I'll be honored to be on it. And

1956
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 5: I was like, whoa. He comes to LA. He brings

1957
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 5: this little uh his gear. He comes in a black

1958
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 5: suit with gold trimming around the lapels, and we're going.

1959
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 5: He walks in, goes into the other studio and he

1960
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 5: sets up. He comes back in, he says, play the track.

1961
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 5: Plays the track. Then he says, I'm going into the auditorium.

1962
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 5: The auditorium was the room the other room. He goes in,

1963
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 5: starts playing, and.

1964
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 9: My biggest regret to this day is not recording him

1965
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 9: each track. And when he was playing, he was like

1966
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 9: like there was no audience and we were just sitting

1967
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 9: there like this going as he was stat track and

1968
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 9: I'm just sitting there going and he came back out

1969
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 9: listen to it.

1970
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 5: He goes, uh, pressed me right here at this spot,

1971
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 5: going back into the auditorium.

1972
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 1: So he does he call it that. I'm said that was.

1973
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 5: Behind the like in the studio. So he tells the

1974
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 5: guy Joe after we finished. Uh, he finishes up all

1975
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 5: the parts and sounded really good. And he looked at

1976
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 5: Joe and Joe it's caucasion. He looked at him, he said,

1977
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 5: your credit to your race. Man was freaking amazing.

1978
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 7: Man.

1979
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 9: He was just that moment to watch him and he

1980
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 9: would be in there doing this recording and actual performing.

1981
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 5: We were just sitting there going yo, just performing like

1982
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 5: we was in there watching going wow. As he was

1983
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 5: stacked just.

1984
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 11: Doing full you and Roger like he does on the stage.

1985
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1986
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I was like guitar with his

1987
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: teeth and all that stuff.

1988
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 5: Mistake that just I wish we could have dis recorded

1989
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,600
Speaker 5: that had that footage oh man, Yeah, Yeah, he's a

1990
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 5: unique guy.

1991
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: Regret. I wish he was on our show.

1992
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 5: J G.

1993
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 11: Man, I thank you so much, thanks for having I

1994
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 11: hope that you will because.

1995
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 1: The thirtieth University your record is like what uh yeah

1996
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: coming up mate, So yeah, I hope that after thirty

1997
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:15,799
Speaker 1: years time you'll love your catalog. I'm like what Jam.

1998
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 7: Says in the meanwhile, get game changes to yeah.

1999
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 5: That change.

2000
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 9: I'm telling you, from the beginning to the end, I

2001
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 9: didn't put no wasted joints on that album.

2002
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 1: Proved yeah.

2003
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a solid album.

2004
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,560
Speaker 9: And I hope that people enjoy, want to listen to

2005
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 9: and want to hear good music because it's still there.

2006
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 5: It's still there and it's beautiful. Yeah. And you are

2007
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 5: to me our Quincy Jones man, who I've said it

2008
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 5: a million time and I'm just saying, man, this is

2009
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 5: just taking how much respect and how much uh uh

2010
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 5: love we have for you. Man.

2011
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: They love when I get uncomfortable. Thank you.

2012
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,600
Speaker 5: That's generation he is that.

2013
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 7: But he loved black women.

2014
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I got one more thing.

2015
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 5: I want to say.

2016
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 10: Thank you for side too of the nineteen ninety album

2017
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 10: because my niece when she was born, she would not

2018
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 10: go to bed, but as soon as we put on

2019
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 10: my mind, she would stop crying.

2020
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: She was just lay in the bed. And by the

2021
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: time by the time I'll give my all to you

2022
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 1: was over, she was knocked out. So thank you so much.

2023
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 1: You are so r and B.

2024
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 5: You saved this.

2025
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: You saved us.

2026
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 10: That child which just would not stop crying until you

2027
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 10: put on my mind.

2028
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2029
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,719
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I'm really a mess up man, because

2030
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 9: I remember the only time that I ever played my music,

2031
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 9: even for my own good was one night I was

2032
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 9: at an award show and I had this girl I

2033
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 9: was dating, and I was thinking, I've got to get there.

2034
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 9: I gotta figure this one out because so I left.

2035
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,839
Speaker 5: Before I left home, I had I put the champagne

2036
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 5: on ice. I sat down and I said, when she

2037
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 5: comes back here, I'm gonna sit down and we're gonna

2038
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 5: sit down the piano. And we sat down at the piano.

2039
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 5: This was after the show.

2040
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 9: I went back and sat down at the piano and

2041
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 9: started playing. Matter of fact, it was right before my

2042
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 9: ma Min came out. I'm playing the song. And we

2043
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 9: went from the piano to the floor, from the floor

2044
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 9: to the bedroom.

2045
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 5: And I said, come, I don't do this more often

2046
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 5: because I didn't realize.

2047
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: Ladies, yeah, yeah, you will see. You have a team,

2048
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Supreme man, did you learn anything?

2049
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 4: Good morning, good afternoon, and midnight.

2050
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: You will see one of the nights.

2051
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 5: Girl around.

2052
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this is I'm Supreme. Thank you. For

2053
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:00,760
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2054
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