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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio. I'm so ready for another week of

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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. Ashley Tasia has never disappointed ever.

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Speaker 1: She truly is bigger is she's She's a bachelor right

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Speaker 1: that we've had the least amount of bachelor speak with

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Speaker 1: It's real talk and it's so easy and fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want this episode to end. I love this episode.

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Speaker 1: And when I was thinking about coming on here to

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Speaker 1: even have much to say, you know why, because there's

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Speaker 1: nothing to pick apart. It was pretty much drama free

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Speaker 1: it be because it was a perfect episode. Well, there's

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna be things, some things I pick apart, but

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Speaker 1: those You have some bachelor headlines actually going through the

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Speaker 1: list as usual, You're gonna break them down because you're

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Speaker 1: the expert and I learned from you on all at

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Speaker 1: all times. Alright, first headline Matt James Bacheler sneak peak

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Speaker 1: is full of makeout sessions and tears. This according to Cosmo,

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Speaker 1: the first time during Ryan Field? But you know my

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Speaker 1: It came out earlier than we get basically any other

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Speaker 1: Bachelor preview for the season. He looks great, Harrison saying

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Speaker 1: mean there's nothing, there's something hugely stand out about it.

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Speaker 1: Jared's favorite part was that that Chris says, you've never

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Speaker 1: been in love. Well, we are here to change that.

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Speaker 1: He thought it was very cinematic. Chris has been on

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Speaker 1: his game. I mean, the guy's working harder than never.

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Speaker 1: mean he is on fire. We're speaking of on fire

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Speaker 1: Bachelor at Tasha Adams turns heads, yes, turns heads in

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Speaker 1: but if you guys, did check out Tasia on the

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Speaker 1: how amazing she looks. She had those long, beautiful braids

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Speaker 1: nothing more. Let's talk about here. Well, this is shocking

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Speaker 1: but yet not shocking. Uh. It feels like when you're

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor or Bachelor. Uh, celebrities are sliding into the

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Speaker 1: feels like recently, especially MEMP cast members and former leads

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Speaker 1: Adams reveals a laker, Yes, an l a laker slid

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Speaker 1: York Post. Okay, so Tasia was on you Know What

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Speaker 1: her podcast this week and she said, well, there's a

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Speaker 1: Hour and clickbait crossover podcast. Um, she said, is it

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Speaker 1: because referencing Winnie Harlowe's main squeeze, you know, supermodel Winnie

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Speaker 1: She also ruled out that Lebron James is not like her.

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Speaker 1: In questions, she said, I wish it was Lebron. The

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Speaker 1: And the headlines released this bachelorette couple Claire and Dale

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Speaker 1: and Hannah admitted that she hasn't dated since being on

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Speaker 1: When the relationship coach asked Hannah Um what she looks

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Speaker 1: about Caitlin's huge win on Dancing with the Stars because

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Speaker 1: that sounds dirty. He's dating someone possibly who Leonardo DiCaprio dated. Wow,

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Speaker 1: pretty cool, good for him. Dean Angler confesses he was

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Speaker 1: getting it's um But I do I do worry. Now

426
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: this has happened twice in a row. If come the

427
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: next round, if somebody from Matt James, if Matt James

428
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: gets on and people are like, Oh, we've already seen

429
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: it too much. I'm not voting just because of what's happened.

430
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting. I tell you one person

431
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: that we're gonna get into right now that could definitely

432
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: when I think is Tasia. I feel like she's beloved

433
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: by many, she's celebrated by all. Right now, she's crushing

434
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: it as the Bachelor at But we're gonna take a break.

435
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna catch up with you

436
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: in your life, Melissa, and then we're going to break

437
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: down Tastia's last episode of the Bachelor. We're back with Melissa.

438
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: Melissa now catches up on your life. You are a

439
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: mirror ball champion. You have thrived yourself. You have a

440
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: long list of accomplishments and things that you've done. What

441
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: is life like for you right now? Um? Oddly quiet,

442
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: which is really nice. I Mean, one of the blessings

443
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: with this whole quarantine that we're in is that I

444
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: get to stay home with my kiddos, which at certain

445
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: times I'm like, oh my gosh, we gotta get out

446
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: of the house. Um. On the other hand, I'm like,

447
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: I've never had just this much quality time with my family,

448
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: and I'm very thankful we all like each other, you know,

449
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: and we're getting through this. But yeah, it's been an

450
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: interesting couple of months. But I will have really take

451
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: the quiet that has that has come with it, the calmness.

452
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: If you will, you are part of this season. You've

453
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: been part of any seasons, right, but I think but

454
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: you're part of this season again of the Dallas Cowboys

455
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: Cheerleaders on c MT. It is the network's most popular

456
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: in the longest running series, and you're going to come

457
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: back as a judge this year. How did you guys

458
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: film this? And was it was it during COVID days

459
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: or was this pre tip? Yeah? No, this was completely

460
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: So trials usually start in May, which, if everybody knows,

461
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: we were we were shut down. Nothing was happening, and

462
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: so we were all just told, you're on hold for

463
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. We don't know. We don't even know

464
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: one if there's gonna be a team to make and

465
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: too if there's a way to document. I mean, the

466
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: show is I mean over ten years old at this point.

467
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I was on the very first season when I tried

468
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: out if that says anything? And um, and then we

469
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: got word A couple of months later that they've they

470
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: had figured out a way to do the whole process virtually,

471
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: and so they had so many girls send in tapes

472
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: from across the world, and that's how we judged was

473
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: from our living room couch. And then the team actually

474
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: rented out a hotel here in Dallas for all of

475
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: the girls and for production found a way to safely

476
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: do it. But they condensed what normally happens in about

477
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: three to four months into sixteen days, so it was

478
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: really accelerated. But I think I think Bachelor was the

479
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: first production to go back with her, and then I

480
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: think I think Making the team was right behind them,

481
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: and so it was kind of they were all charting

482
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: these unnavigated seas together. The you know, you mentioned this

483
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: and you obviously have been up to a lot and

484
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: you've done a lot of great things, but you mentioned

485
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: something that I think everybody listening and actually myself can

486
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: relate with. This has been a season of things being

487
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: early quiet in a lot of ways, right for everybody,

488
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: if that's an entertainment, if that's in business, if that's

489
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, teachers going back to school, how have you

490
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: navigated this season of quiet? You said it's been great,

491
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's been moments it has been difficult.

492
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, No, it's it's not. I wouldn't wish

493
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: life to be like this, you know. And um, the

494
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: position that I'm in having three small children, two of

495
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: which are in school, when everything got shut down, and

496
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm now the one responsible for trying to teach them

497
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: and entertain them all day. I mean, those first two

498
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: months were really hard, and I found myself with a

499
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: lot of other people. I don't know what to do,

500
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I we can't even go to

501
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: the park or I mean, it was it was definitely

502
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: a struggle. I had to change my mindset, though, and go,

503
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: my kids are going to remember this. They're old enough

504
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: to remember what we're going through right now. So I

505
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: need to make sure that this is an experience that

506
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: they don't look back on and hate and and you know, despise.

507
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: But let's start making memories together, you know. I went

508
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: online and bought a bunch of card games and board games,

509
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: and um, we just kind of started changing our attitudes

510
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: about it. And that's when I started to realize, this

511
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: is kind of nice. You know. I don't have to travel,

512
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything, and um, I can

513
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: be with them now. Of course we're allowed to go

514
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: out and do some stuff. But I think it was

515
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: just the mindset of saying, I'm gonna make this an

516
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: experience that they remember rather than one that they wished

517
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: that they could forget. You know, yeah, that's fair. Well,

518
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: one thing that's taken her mind off of everything right

519
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: now is having a Bachelor on You mentioned it. They

520
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: are one of the first, if not the first. I

521
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: think they are officially the first production to go back

522
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: and they blessed our screens co left amazing television. Uh,

523
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: let's break down this week's episode, Ashley take it away. Alright,

524
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: let's start with the first sort of kind of a

525
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: group date. So it's a small group date to compete

526
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: for a one on one. The guys have to write

527
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: and perform a song. We've seen this. I feel like

528
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: they've used this date idea. Actually they do to say

529
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: it idea like every other season. But maybe it's because

530
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: it is always quite entertaining. Anything that you thought was

531
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: mentionable from this, I thought that it came but down

532
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: between Damar and Ivan to me, definitely worked to stand out.

533
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I think that's who came down to. I mean, it's

534
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: hard now that I've seen the episode because I'm so

535
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: into Ivan and so it's almost like I don't remember

536
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: how he even did. I just I'm such a fan

537
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: of him now and I think he's so cute. I

538
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: just the singing things are so cringe e And I

539
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: guess I take myself back to and I had to

540
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: do it, and we're just standing there, and Nantasia was

541
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: a really good sport about it, you know, and she's like,

542
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm not going to grow them too hard because this

543
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: is not easy. But I mean, I feel like it's

544
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: different for girls for us to have to get up

545
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: and write any sing a song, as opposed to guys

546
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: having to get up and and sing a song. I

547
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: don't know how different really, see. I feel like guys

548
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: can get away with it like, oh this is silly,

549
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna sound bad, like I can make fun

550
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: of ourselves. I think it's far more traumatizing for the

551
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: girls to have to sing and show off of that boy,

552
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: because it feels like you're you should like as a female,

553
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: you should like carry a tune. Like it's like it's

554
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: it's just more appealing if you can. But it was

555
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: the guy I think you have tion, Ben, did you

556
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: have to sing? Uh? No, I didn't um luckily. But

557
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: there's a small little move here that I think change

558
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: the game. I think it changes a huge there's a

559
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: huge season switch in my eyes with this one move.

560
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: It's even having her come up and sit beside him.

561
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: What what a move that? That shows those little things. Now,

562
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: if I'm in this situation, you can't take this too seriously,

563
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: Like even if you're a good singer, it's embarrassing to

564
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: get up there and starts like belting something out, So

565
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: like take this lightly, do it and and like, honestly,

566
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: it's those little moves like that to say that shows Hey,

567
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Tasia first, my song, second, third, whatever,

568
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: and I and I really at that moment ago Ivan,

569
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: You've got something special here, hey, And it worked. So yeah. Yeah. Now,

570
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: at the top of the episode, Melissa I told Ben,

571
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: I was like, there is some perfection in this episode

572
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: that I just don't even want to touch, Like, let's

573
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: just let it breathe. It was. It was great. It

574
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: was some of the best, the best Bachelor stuff I

575
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: can remember seeing. And that was her one on one

576
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: with Ivan from everything about it, from her first saying

577
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: like except the Flora's lava in that game, and that

578
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: was cute, and then the ordering of the room service

579
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: in the pillow fight, to the extremely vulnerable and culturally

580
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: timely conversation that they had and how emotional it was

581
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: and how it felt like we were just watching this

582
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: intimate moment that it just didn't feel like they were

583
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: on camera at all. I don't even know what else

584
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: to say about it, but like it was just it

585
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: was so good to see and it felt so real,

586
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: and I'm really glad that they let that conversation breathe

587
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: and they just like they didn't cut it short at all,

588
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, they let it be a standout moment. And

589
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: then it wasn't even done because after that they they

590
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: went inside, they looked at old pictures of Tatia as

591
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: a kid. It was just like the most complete day.

592
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: I loved it. I think it was great because when

593
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: you think about it, it's a date they would actually have.

594
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's not the extravagance and the surface level

595
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: conversation because you're surrounded by all of this beauty and

596
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: a higher balloon kind of a thing. It was. This

597
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: is what we'd really be doing. We'd be sitting at

598
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: one of our houses, maybe trying to break the ice

599
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: by having a silly game. But then you're talking. I mean,

600
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: the conversation that Ivan and Tasia had I think was

601
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: the most in depth conversation we've ever seen on Bachelor,

602
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: if I can say that, I mean, they don't usually

603
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: like to go that deep or at least show the

604
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: audience that with with kalin Um and Bolton, we saw

605
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: a similar ish conversation but different here you're right, You're right,

606
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I had to go back, but different here where there

607
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: was like a beautiful back and forth now like it

608
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: was both of them mutually saying, this is my story.

609
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I want you to get to know me, and I

610
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: want to get to know you. And it wasn't one

611
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: person talking another person shaking their head yes or no,

612
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: like just this was I would agree with listen, this

613
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: is one of the most beautiful and timely and intimate

614
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: conversations between two people that we've ever seen. Right, and

615
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: the bread and naturally evolved from them talking about, you know,

616
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: his childhood, to his to his younger brother in prison,

617
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: and then to George Floyd and everything that's gone hadn't

618
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: gone on since then, and it just great. Yeah. I mean,

619
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't know who Evan was before

620
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: this episode, and he's now like he's my top guy.

621
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: Seeing them together, I was like, I just there's an

622
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: ease there that you just don't see with anybody. And

623
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: the depths that they've been able to take the relationship

624
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: on one date I think is huge. Can we can

625
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: we just pousitive for a second and talk about the

626
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: one thing that gave me anxiety on the state? Yeah,

627
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: the feathers that gave me a little anxiety. No, it's

628
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: a bowl of ice cream that big like that, and

629
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: I am not good on a date like you gotta

630
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: see you gotta see me do like that? Is you

631
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: want to really break the eyes, you have me eat

632
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: a bull of ice cream and you're like, yeah, this

633
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: guy ain't that great, but freaking like mound gallon. It

634
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: was like, look like five gallons. It was definitely a

635
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: waste of ice cream. Cute for the visual effect, but

636
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: then I can't lie. I was thinking very similar things.

637
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I could maybe have two spoonfuls of that.

638
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: I have to cut it off. Yeah, it's not good news.

639
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: Like credited kudos to it then, but you if that

640
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: bull of ice cream came out, I would be stressed

641
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: out right away, going, I don't know how I'm gonna

642
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: manage this because I'm either gonna look a like a

643
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: prude and I don't eat ice cream, or well, Casee

644
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: and I are gonna get really close. Um well, you

645
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: know I thought, and we said it every week Melissa,

646
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and it's just I think it just continues to highlight

647
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: this how amazing the date producers have been during this

648
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: season to make this so interesting for all of us

649
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: to watch when they are stuck in one location, Like, yes,

650
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: this date was simple, Yes, this date looked like something

651
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: you do on a Friday night. However, not only did

652
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: ivan intation make it really interesting for all of us,

653
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: not on purpose just because of their chemistry, but the

654
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: date produces this episode with just above and beyond, I think,

655
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: once again to keep these dates interesting. These dates are better.

656
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean they're more real. I feel like people are trying.

657
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: They're trying to Oh my gosh, they were writing horses

658
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: around the resort. I mean they're they're almost looking for

659
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: reasons to um say that it's silly that they're at

660
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: one resort. But like you said, if you actually know

661
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: the process and you know what goes into it, they're

662
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: really being creative to have one location to film all

663
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: of this stuff and make it feel different. It doesn't

664
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: feel like we're just staying in one place and that

665
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: they're kind of recycling dates. Um. Yeah, I think they

666
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: made their pay this season, for sure they have. But

667
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: like Ben was saying, just like less you and add

668
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: dates and more intimacy on the dates because there's nothing

669
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: to distract and should we go into another very fun

670
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: truth or dare dates? It really was like really true

671
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: there dare because there was no like choice here. There

672
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: was just all a ton of dares and then there

673
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: was like some truth in the end. But it was

674
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: so funny. We see the guys drinking the most disc smoothies.

675
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: Fear factor level, you know, we have like testicles and

676
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: intestines and crickets and all that stuff. I think I've

677
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: actually eat a cricket before. I don't think it's that bad,

678
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: but that smoothie. Can't believe those guys kept it down. Um,

679
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: then they had to make orgasm sounds and broadcast it

680
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: to like the whole resort. Awful I was to do

681
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: it having to do it so cringe e. But for

682
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: whatever reason it hit my like funny bone because not

683
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: because they were doing it, but because the very first

684
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: time the guy's reactions that weren't on the dates. So

685
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: can you imagine sitting there and all of a sudden

686
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: some dudes moaning over the intercom and you're having to

687
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: hear it, and at first you don't know what's going on,

688
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: Like you don't know if I Mike got put into

689
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: a bad place and it's a mistake, and then you

690
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: realize that this is up something. I don't know why

691
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: I found it hilarious. Yeah, one of those guys was like,

692
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: somebody has demons that man, That's what I was gonna say.

693
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: If I just heard those noises, my first thought would

694
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: not be orgasm. That's what that is. I mean, these

695
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: were It sounded demonic, It sounded painful. I mean that

696
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: that you need to go to church. Yeah, that was brutal.

697
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Now here's the here's the funny part. Like having Becca

698
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: and Sydney there with Tatia made it really fun to

699
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: watch because they were just I mean, think about how

700
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: fun it would be to have your too, Like two

701
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: of your closest friends sitting beside you as this was

702
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: going on, and you're watching it knowing they're doing it

703
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: for you, Like that just made it I think awesome

704
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: for Tasia, right, and I think it was all in

705
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: good fun. You know. It wasn't one of those dates

706
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: that was you've got to take yourself too seriously. Um

707
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, I I as a female, watched it going.

708
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: I would love to have my girlfriends and have put

709
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: my husband now tied through something like that because how

710
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's funny, it's so good. Well

711
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: again the date preaces did it, and they did it well,

712
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: and then we enter into a weird part of the episode.

713
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: Well that part was that was not on time. But

714
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like that part disappointed a little bit,

715
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to see a little more spice out

716
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: of those guys, like they that they took the spice

717
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: way too well. I wanted to see them like cry

718
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: and grease outside like foam. I wanted to seem to

719
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: get up they you know like that. It had to

720
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable, but they kind of like ran with it

721
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: and they did a good job at you know, Habanair

722
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. Well you Ben did,

723
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Bennett did such a good job with that proposal. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, Uh,

724
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: well now that's probably a good time. Let's take a break.

725
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: When we come back and break down the second part

726
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: of the episode, which includes some things that really really

727
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: frustrated me as a former lead, we'll be back with

728
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: most of this podcast, so let's continue with a nighttime

729
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: portion of that group date. She again didn't have any

730
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: bachelor speak type conversations with these guys. I felt like

731
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: she really made progress getting to know them. She talks

732
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: about Blake letting his walls down. Um, she had that

733
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: moment with Zack, which I actually expected more from the

734
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: moment with Zack because I know that there is so

735
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: something there. He does get the rose. Uh. You could

736
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: feel the energy between them, but like there wasn't a

737
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: lot of like words exchanged during that like hot tub

738
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: scene together. But I just know this guy is gonna

739
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: get far. Melissa, what do you think about Zach? I agree,

740
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean you can feel the build up between them.

741
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: It almost is like, and it's not gonna come out

742
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: right what I'm saying, It almost it's they're both kind

743
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: of a little uncomfortable because they both are really into

744
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: each other and it's like I don't quite know how

745
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: to act and you don't quite know how to act,

746
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: and we're navigating it. Um. It does look like there's

747
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: really something there, Like he's one of my top favorites

748
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: um right now. But it's going to be interesting because

749
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: I do feel like we're watching this journey that's going

750
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: to peak. I completely agree. I also love the way

751
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: Tomorrow vocalized his worst fear about getting divorced and how

752
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: he's watched his mom and how to be a child

753
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: of that twice. And then I thought Bennett talking about

754
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: how he was for you know, formally engaged and he

755
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: broke off an engagement and didn't want to get married

756
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: for though wrong reasons. That was It's surprisingly very vulnerable

757
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: of Bennett. He but he shut down, he did because

758
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: he he changed the subject very quickly to be what

759
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: did he change it to? Well, right when he goes,

760
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: this is really hard for me to talk about until

761
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: my show. I get that it's hard, and you don't

762
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: have to go into that stuff if you don't want to.

763
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: But it feels like there's more there than what we

764
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: understood from that conversation because all of a sudden he

765
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: stops and he asked her a question about herself. He

766
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: deflected a little bit, which again no shame to him.

767
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like we got a lot of

768
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: why it is so hard for him, Like what happened there?

769
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Did he break it off? Um? You know? Is he is?

770
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: He scared? Now? Like there, there wasn't a lot of

771
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: detail following that one statement. I see what you're saying there.

772
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: I guess it was just a hopeful moment because Bennett

773
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: has been like such a fan favorite in the way

774
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: that we find him so entertaining right that I was like, oh, exciting,

775
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: there's something more there. There is emotion when he got

776
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: choked up. I just kind of like, there's there's somebody

777
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: behind the Harvard Gentleman. My thing with Bennett is I

778
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: do I do like him, but I like him as

779
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: a character. And I think that's what we're doing is

780
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: we're watching Bennett the character, and so his interaction with

781
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: Tassia to me is I almost don't expect it to

782
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: go deeper because I think he knows who his character is,

783
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 1: if you will. He came in very aware of how

784
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: he was going to look and how he wanted to

785
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: be portrayed. Um, and he just kind of he just

786
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: stays on on that line with all his interactions, I

787
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: feel like, but Melissa and Ashley, that brings up the

788
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: question and that kind of gets to my point before.

789
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: If you're been at and you come in going, hey,

790
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: I think I've a lot to offer. I mean, in fact,

791
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: his bio says like, I've always had women chasing after me.

792
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: I now want to chase after somebody. So if you

793
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: have this idea of the character, you've kind of put

794
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: this character on, you realize that you're playing into it,

795
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, not to nowhere, unexpectedly,

796
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: you start to develop real feelings for this person, Like

797
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: he's really experiencing real feelings for Tassia. Is there an

798
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: opportunity now for him to switch from being a character

799
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: to actually being a viable partner to Tastia long term?

800
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm saying. I was excited seeing

801
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: that that was about to happen. But you're right, maybe

802
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: he did cut it off too soon, or maybe it's

803
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: a preview of what's to come. I don't know. I

804
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on how invested in this quote

805
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: unquote character that I've created for him. I mean, let's

806
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know how he came in or not,

807
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: But I feel like some people do come in with

808
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: this characterization that they want and they almost don't allow

809
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: themselves to get to a certain emotional point with the

810
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: lead because you know, they've got this mask on of

811
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: the character. So, I mean, I don't know if he

812
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: really is super incitation or not. I don't know if

813
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to because he's you know,

814
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: then at the Harvard guy, if that makes any sense now,

815
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: just doing a little bit of over analyzing previews from

816
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: the the rest of the season. I feel like this,

817
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: the kiss that we saw between the two of them

818
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: is the only Bennett Tatia kiss that we've seen teased.

819
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know that he's going to be sticking

820
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: around much longer. Interesting that would be really intriguing. Well,

821
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: following this group date, Uh, We're gonna speed things up

822
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: a bit, uh, because the rest of the episode was

823
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: was fine. There's a lot of drama between Noah and

824
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: the guys, and that guys are not thrilled with, you know,

825
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Noah and I and we Still I don't see a

826
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: problem with what he did. He jumped into a date

827
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: where a guy backed out. If anybody they should be

828
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: mad at ed. However, there is some weird stuff at

829
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: the end that will get to that probably wasn't great

830
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: for not to do because I just think it was untrue.

831
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: But there's a moment in this episode, guys that everybody

832
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: listening knows fires me up, and I've got a highlight

833
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: because I've never seen it done before. It's the describing

834
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: No well, that happens all. I've given up on that

835
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that I've I have preached my sermon on self describing

836
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: and it drives me crazy. It's not gonna stop. Nobody's

837
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: listening to me at all. I don't know why they

838
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: don't listen to me. It would make me watch the

839
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: show a little easier. But then decides to go to

840
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: Tassia's room. Now here's the problem with this, guys. This

841
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: is the second time he's made one mistake. Now I know,

842
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: right now, I don't think this was a mistake. But again,

843
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna look like a mistake

844
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: now I think it's a mistake. Later because last week

845
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: on the episode he asked for more time with Taitia

846
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: after the date's done. And I've said it before, I've

847
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: never seen it done like this. You're exhausted as a lead,

848
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: and all these contestants need to recognize and respect the

849
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: fact that Elite is tired, like not tired of you

850
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: as humans, tired in general. Like it's long hours. You

851
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of people. You drain yourself thin

852
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: every night so that you get two hours, one hour,

853
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: twenty minutes of a lone time, so that you can

854
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: read fuel for the next day. It's important. If not,

855
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: you'll never make it. So last week we see him

856
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: asking for more time, it's pretty clear that Tastia's just tired.

857
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: You wants go home. Fair This week he does the

858
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: same thing. Now he didn't have time with her, so

859
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: fair that he wanted to make sure he's lines time.

860
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: But it's too thirty in the morning. Now, do you

861
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: want to be known as somebody that shows up to

862
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: your door at to thirty in the morning when somebody's

863
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: tired and trying to refuel, or do you want to

864
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: be known as somebody that steps up earlier than that

865
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: and finds time to finds time that is not only

866
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: ideal for you, but ideal for them. This had a

867
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: great mix because obviously Ed shows up to Chris Harrison's

868
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: room one of the best things I've ever seen him.

869
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely fantastic. Like Chris answers the door, uh,

870
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: pours him a glass of wine. The two of them

871
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: are sitting there so awkwardly. Imagine how awkward that moment

872
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: felt when you're in that room with him. Chris shnes

873
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: once again. But it doesn't take away from the fact

874
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: that I think Ben is self sabotaging himself secretly, maybe

875
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: not even knowing it right now, because he just continues

876
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: to show up at the most non ideal times. I

877
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: know what you're saying then, and I understand. And if

878
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: I were the lead, I also be probably kind of

879
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: tired and annoyed. But if I liked the guy enough,

880
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty excited to see him at my door,

881
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: regardless of what time it was, as long as I

882
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: had makeup on. I mean, first of all, Taia looked

883
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: beautiful at two thirty. That's not what I look like.

884
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: If somebody you know that, Um, I think I could

885
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: have gone either way. I mean, I I do think

886
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: that he could have gone, and most of the time

887
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: when we see people sneak out and go find the lead,

888
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't end super well. I mean, but watching this,

889
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: I went I think he made the right move obviously.

890
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they had great conversation. Even Tasia

891
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: at the end was like, this was the best thing

892
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: that you could have done. And so I think if

893
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: it hadn't gone that well, he'd probably be going home.

894
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, two strikes are out kind of a thing.

895
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: But I think he redeemed himself, if you will, and

896
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: Tastious seemed to completely appreciate it, and I like him.

897
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked what he did. He fast

898
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: forward than to the big, big moment in this episode

899
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: that will continue to play out as we watch. Uh, Noah,

900
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: somebody that had a great week last week was kind

901
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: of quiet this week. We didn't see a lot of him.

902
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: We go to the Rose ceremony and we know that

903
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: the house is a little bit uneasy about his tax

904
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: tactic and and kind of how he's uh walk through

905
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: this experience in his short time there. Now I'm on

906
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: Noah's side up until this moment. He sits down with

907
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: Tasha and he says something that I've yet to see

908
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: any of the guys talk about he not. He doesn't,

909
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't stop with Hey, these guys are kind of

910
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: like upset with me for getting the rose, and he

911
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: he didn't even really need to say anything. Instead, I'm

912
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: gonna use the word manipulates the situation and says to

913
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Tasia that these guys are questioning her behavior and her intentions.

914
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: And if anything, I've seen these guys, even if I

915
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: don't I'm not a fan of all of them, I've

916
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: seen these guys be nothing but head over heels fro

917
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: Tasia and really respectful of her as the bachelor. This

918
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: replaced what are your thoughts as we close this episode

919
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: on Noah's communication to Tasia. UM, I think that he

920
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: put the nail in his coffin with that, um, because

921
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: he did have me at the beginning of the episode

922
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: when he was talking, he was like, all these guys

923
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: are against me, and I have to be honest, it's

924
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: really getting to me. I was watching that going, Man,

925
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate a guy that can say that that you know,

926
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: the fact that these guys don't like him is bothering him. Um.

927
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: But then when you see the manipulation wheels start turning

928
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: in his head. And you see this conversation he as

929
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: with Tasta and and maybe he wasn't expecting her to

930
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: react the way that she did. You know, maybe he

931
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: just thought, I'll put seeds of doubt of these guys

932
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: in tatious mind and I'll go about my business. And

933
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: when she came in and blew everything up, he was like,

934
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: oh crap. You know, I wasn't expecting I wasn't expecting

935
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: everybody to find out what I said, because he did.

936
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: He waited a minute before he fessed up to it. It

937
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: It was almost like he had to do the math.

938
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Are they going to know that I was it? Or

939
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: should I just say that it was me? Now call

940
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: me Eve? But do we have proof that the guys

941
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: are a couple of them didn't say that behind closed doors?

942
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: I think the proof is in this. The groups that

943
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: are ound and look at each other like have you

944
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: heard anybody questioned Tasha? Have you and nobody said anything?

945
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: Then they're they're all shocked like, yeah, no, we don't

946
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: like you, we don't like what you did, but we've

947
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: never questioned Tasia. And I think in that moment, as

948
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: Melissa just said, you see him shut her and go, crap,

949
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't really I didn't. I didn't. I yeah,

950
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to make it this. I thought I

951
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: was just gonna get you know, Tasha on my side,

952
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: and now I think I have a lot of backtrack

953
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: can do. And in the moment that splits it is

954
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: when Bennett says, I think, you know, it's not gonna

955
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: apologize to the guys. That's never gonna happen in this show.

956
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: But he says, you need you own apology to Tasha,

957
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: and I actually semi agree, like he needs to go

958
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: to Tation and say, hey, these guys actually weren't questioning you,

959
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: they were questioning me. Uh, and he needs to own

960
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: up to that, which I think could be a really

961
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: um controversial moment in his journey on The Bachelorette. Well,

962
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: we see this episode finished up here and we lose

963
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: this week Jordan's, Joe, Kenny, and Chason. Are any of

964
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: you shocked or surprised? Yeah? Well, first off, we all

965
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: wanted to see more of Joe. I mean, he's a

966
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: n anaceseologist and he's on the Backachelorette and he's very handsome,

967
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: has a sweet personality, thirty six, like he would have

968
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: been a great batch of material, but I don't think

969
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: he got far enough. Um Jason, Wow, yeah, we'll see

970
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: We'll see him hopefully again, but but maybe not as elite.

971
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: So then we have Chason, who just played such a

972
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: major role in last week's episode, to then just have

973
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: barely any dialogue in this episode and then be gone.

974
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: It was kind of shocking, especially since I thought she

975
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: was pretty physically attract to him. Kenny. I think Kenny

976
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: and Jordan's are both the two that that I think

977
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: we're the most obvious eliminations. Kenny seems to have a

978
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: fun personality, but there was no chemistry there. Well, so

979
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: you surprised, No really, I mean as much as we

980
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: loved Joe being an audience member, I mean he was

981
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: a great narrator and he was great to watch. I

982
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: didn't particularly see the spark with him and Tasia. I

983
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: am hoping that we see him in Paradise or something else,

984
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: because I do think that he's he's great for the franchise,

985
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: chasing kind of same thing. I think he was big

986
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: from what the audience saw book. When I saw him

987
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: in Tasia, I didn't see anything particularly special so um No,

988
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't shocked. This week another great episode

989
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor at tastious crushing. As actually said, you

990
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: see very little bachelor talk at Tasha. She is straightforward,

991
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: she's honest, she's herself, She's a great personality for the show.

992
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: She's doing a terrific job. One of my favorite bachelorettes

993
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: to watch. And I've loved watching a lot of these bachelorettes. Um,

994
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: since I really tuned into the show. We also really

995
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: enjoyed you Melissa. Thank you for coming on the Almost

996
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Uh, you're great. Wishing the best with you

997
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: and your family as you continue to kind of be

998
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: in the quiet of uh most of follow our lead here. Uh.

999
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: We close every episode in the same way you'll learn quickly. Hey,

1000
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: this has been another week of the Almost Famous Podcast.

1001
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with another episode of breaking

1002
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: downtatious season with that I've been Been, I've been, Ashley,

1003
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: I've been Melissa. Hey, we'll talk to you later, guys.

1004
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. Followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost

1005
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,680
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1006
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