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Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now,

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Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with

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Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of

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Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons

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Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical

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Speaker 1: death and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to introduce you to someone who has more

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Speaker 1: of a passion for researching and sharing the reality of

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Speaker 1: the afterlife than even I do. He is the author

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Speaker 1: and co author of several books, but I first learned

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Speaker 1: about him after reading his fantastic book called Your Eternal Self.

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Speaker 1: Dr R. Craig Hogan is the founder and president of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife Research and Education Institute a r EI for short,

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Speaker 1: and I know you'll enjoy and appreciate his words. Hello Craig,

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Speaker 1: Hello Sander, what are they like to be with you?

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely wonderful. It's been a while since we've seen

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Speaker 1: each other, and I just knew you'd be the perfect

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Speaker 1: person for this episode. Well, good, yeah, and I look

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Speaker 1: forward to it. Well, if you don't mind introducing our

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Speaker 1: audience a little bit to who you are and how

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Speaker 1: you got involved in this whole world of researching the afterlife. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually a business communications professor, but I became involved

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Speaker 1: and what the greater reality is about twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: When I first learned that I have psychic abilities. I

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Speaker 1: And when I discovered that, I realized that there's much

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Speaker 1: So that's the reason I've dedicated my life to it. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty exciting life that we lead. But take us

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Speaker 1: on it. Now for the first time, we are really

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Speaker 1: understanding it. We're not being burned at the stake if

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Speaker 1: And science can't control the fact that the science itself

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Speaker 1: is telling us about the afterlife and about life there.

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Speaker 1: And so science has actually turned around and is proving

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Speaker 1: it for us, and as a result of that, then

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Speaker 1: now fine, they were able to make the connections. Society

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Speaker 1: has simply not caught up. So we're rather like the

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Speaker 1: period of time after Galadeo demonstrated that there the Earth

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Speaker 1: is not the center of the universe, and it took

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Speaker 1: many years decades before the general public realized that that

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Speaker 1: was true. And in fact now are still some flat

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Speaker 1: earthers who think that the Earth is flat. But the

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Speaker 1: this will happen. It will happen in the next decades.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that there is communication now through the

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Speaker 1: I expect that that it's going to be by the

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Speaker 1: learn more about it, and they will have communication with

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Speaker 1: of life. Well, just think of how powerful humanity will be,

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Speaker 1: because if we really get that we're souls having a

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Speaker 1: lot of that soul power is lying dormant within us,

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Speaker 1: and we can do a heck of a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: probably as humans. Would you agree, yes? And they've also

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Speaker 1: said to us in life, in the world unseen by

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Speaker 1: through Anthony Borgia in spirit, said that when people learn

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Speaker 1: how to communicate, when communication becomes commonplace, he said, they

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Speaker 1: And they are willing and able to do that. They

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Speaker 1: allow it to come through. And so that will be

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Speaker 1: the next stage when they're able to bring through all

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Speaker 1: of this and much of the discoveries that are being made,

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Speaker 1: discoveries are being inspired by people who are living on

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Speaker 1: the next plane of life. Marie Curie, when she came

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Speaker 1: had no idea how much of what she had learned

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Speaker 1: they did to bring me these discoveries. All of those

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Speaker 1: discoveries that now have to come through inspiration, that have

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Speaker 1: that difficult transition from their planet life into our planet

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Speaker 1: ha come automatically to us, and so we will live

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Speaker 1: different lives. Our lives will be much richer. And when

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Speaker 1: people realize that we are eternal beings having a physical experience,

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Speaker 1: then they'll treat each other differently. Will have to live

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Speaker 1: in a world of love, peace and joy, and that

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Speaker 1: will be our destiny. That will be what will be

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Speaker 1: happening in the next decades, hopefully by the end of

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Speaker 1: the century. Wow, there's so much to look forward to

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Speaker 1: in our lifetimes and then the young people's lifetimes, and

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Speaker 1: thinking about the vastness of the universe, there's no way

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Speaker 1: our minds can figure out really this never ending universe,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a complete mystery. But also our inner

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Speaker 1: space when we look down into the quantum level. You know,

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Speaker 1: put a little camera in our molecules and then the

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Speaker 1: atoms that are bouncing around, they would capture just invisible

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Speaker 1: space down to our tiniest being. We're nothing, we're energy.

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Speaker 1: So this thought that there is a bigger picture and

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Speaker 1: energy never dies right now, that's true. And at the

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Speaker 1: basis of energy is consciousness. It's, in other words, the

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Speaker 1: universal intellect. So once we get down to the sub

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Speaker 1: below that, it eventually comes down to consciousness. When we

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Speaker 1: look at the sub atomic particle, what we're seeing is

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Speaker 1: the way the consciousness manifests itself. It's difficult for those

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Speaker 1: who study the world and the atoms and the way

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Speaker 1: the world is constructed to explain what's now is referred

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Speaker 1: to as information. Information is at the basis the reality,

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Speaker 1: they say, And what that means is that those same

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Speaker 1: are made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons, those atoms

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Speaker 1: are all configured in different ways that give us the

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Speaker 1: reality that we have. But it's not explainable to how

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Speaker 1: those atoms all managed to get configured in the way

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Speaker 1: that they are. But they say that this the atoms

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Speaker 1: do configure in the way that they do because of information,

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Speaker 1: and information is the basis for reality. Well, the information

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Speaker 1: is consciousness. So it is consciousness that creates this reality

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Speaker 1: and gives us the world that we know. It gives

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Speaker 1: us the minds that we have. It even gives us

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Speaker 1: us communication with other animals, with animals and and even plants,

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Speaker 1: because the consciousness pervades everything. Consciousness is the basis reality. Wow,

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Speaker 1: speaking of animals, I know you've got a couple of

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Speaker 1: rustling around back there. Give them some love from all

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Speaker 1: of us. Yes, I wanted to ask you about people

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Speaker 1: that have or believe from the Bible we are not

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Speaker 1: meant to communicate with others. I've I know, I get

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Speaker 1: these secret emails from people that listen to the show

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Speaker 1: or I've read my book and they enjoy it, but

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Speaker 1: their whole community is against this sort of thing because

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Speaker 1: of their religious backgrounds. Do you have any words of

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Speaker 1: advice for someone who really wants to embrace this but

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Speaker 1: as afraid the Bible says they can't. Yeah, Unfortunately, what

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Speaker 1: they're doing is their cherry picking verses out of the Bible.

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Speaker 1: And those who are concerned about communicating with people who

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Speaker 1: are living in the next plane of life, they will

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Speaker 1: not find anything in the New Testament to suggest that

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't, and in fact find many cases in which

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Speaker 1: Jesus did communicate with people who are living in the

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Speaker 1: next kind of life. And when he actually had the

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Speaker 1: materialization of Elijah and Moses, that was a demonstration of

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Speaker 1: what people can do. We can have those materializations, and

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Speaker 1: he said that we would be able to do things

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Speaker 1: that he could do, and we would be able to

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Speaker 1: do more, and that demonstrates the fact that we're going

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Speaker 1: to be able to do that as well. Will be

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Speaker 1: back after a short break to discuss more with Craig

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Speaker 1: Hogan about the Afterlife Research and Education Institute. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Media

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra sham plain Or with Dr Craig Hogan as

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Speaker 1: he explains why some people I think the Bible says

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Speaker 1: it's wrong to contact the dead the Old Testaments, the

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Speaker 1: admonitions against mediums in the Old Testament were ammunitions from

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Speaker 1: yah Wave, who was a jealous God who did not

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Speaker 1: want people to go to the so called dead in

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Speaker 1: order to get their counsel. There were necromancers, there were

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Speaker 1: people who had There was a faith in which people

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Speaker 1: would consult the dead for their daily lives. And and

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Speaker 1: what happened was that you always said no, you know,

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Speaker 1: through through his profits, said no, you must not go

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Speaker 1: to them. You can only come to me. And that's

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Speaker 1: why the admonitions against mediums were there. It wasn't that

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Speaker 1: they were at ammunition against communicating with our loved ones.

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Speaker 1: That was not what it was. It was the fact

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Speaker 1: that they were saying, do don't go to the necromancers.

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Speaker 1: Don't go to those people who are using the speaking

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Speaker 1: with the dead as their religion. That's where they're giving

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Speaker 1: their counsel. Come to me only. And that was he

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Speaker 1: always what yaway was a very jealous god, and so

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Speaker 1: all of the writings have you always saying there is

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Speaker 1: no God but me, and you should have no other

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Speaker 1: gods before me. So that's what it was. But they

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Speaker 1: they did acknowledge the fact even then that people were

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Speaker 1: communicating with people who were living in the next line

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Speaker 1: of life, So they did acknowledge that that was true.

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Speaker 1: The admonitions were purely not to consult necromancers, the people

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Speaker 1: who were speaking giving advice. It had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with people communicating with their loved ones. There's nothing about

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Speaker 1: that in the Old Testament, and Jesus in fact did

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Speaker 1: communicate with people in the next like in the New Testament.

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Speaker 1: So we know that that it is something which is fine.

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Speaker 1: And and the Anglican Church, the Roman Catholic Church, and

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Speaker 1: some evangelicals now admit that they realize that that's true,

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Speaker 1: and they have said it is true people can communicate

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Speaker 1: with people living in the next blend of life, and

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Speaker 1: so we know that now and that it is not

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Speaker 1: an abomination as it was thought to be. Craig, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about the Institute a r EI

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Speaker 1: for short, what it is, why you created it, and

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Speaker 1: what are some of the resources that you can provide

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Speaker 1: to humanity. The Afterlife Research and Education Institute. We've had

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Speaker 1: formed it because we knew that people who are struggling

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Speaker 1: financed the way that they need to be financed, they

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Speaker 1: were not able to work with each other, and so

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Speaker 1: we formed the Afterlife Research and Education Institute to bring

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Speaker 1: also looking for financing. We want to get financing to them.

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Speaker 1: It's very difficult to get financing to to go out

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, I need financing to help people

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Speaker 1: to speak to their dead relatives and just don't find

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Speaker 1: any of the institutions who are willing to do that.

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Speaker 1: And so we are trying to find financing for them

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Speaker 1: being able to do other things. But the networking is

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Speaker 1: very important. So what we do is we bring people together.

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Speaker 1: If somebody is looking for somebody who can partner with

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Speaker 1: them in an area, that we put those partners together

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Speaker 1: and anything that we can do that will help people

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Speaker 1: to make these discoveries and to support them as they're

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Speaker 1: going through their daily efforts to do so, then will

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Speaker 1: do that. Who are some of the people that you're

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Speaker 1: raising funds for some of the organizations H example is

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Speaker 1: Sonya Ronaldi. Sonya Ronaldi is a researcher who is in

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Speaker 1: Brazil and she started working in two thousand one and

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Speaker 1: she developed methods of being able to record people's voices

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Speaker 1: from the next plane of life. She especially focused upon children,

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Speaker 1: children speaking to their parents. So today she has developed

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Speaker 1: a method which is very successful and in which people

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Speaker 1: can sit down and they can ask a question and

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Speaker 1: they received the response from the childhood is on the

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Speaker 1: other side, or from a loved one who's on the

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Speaker 1: other side. Anybody can learn how to do this, and

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Speaker 1: in fact what she did was after she had perfected it,

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Speaker 1: she started teaching people how to do it. Now. One

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Speaker 1: of the foremost people today is Sherry Pearl in New

654
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Speaker 1: York who is doing marvelous work. She has the Prayer Registry,

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Speaker 1: and prayer registry is for parents whose children have transition

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Speaker 1: to the next plane of life. And she now is

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Speaker 1: doing readings with people. She is recording the voices of

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Speaker 1: their children and then giving them the recordings and and

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Speaker 1: they of course are delighted by them. They can hear

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Speaker 1: them clearly speaking to them. They work that Sherry Pearl

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Speaker 1: is doing the work that that that Sonja is doing

662
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Speaker 1: is really at the cutting edge of where we are

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Speaker 1: with the afterlife communication. We are supporting Hans Auto Koenig

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Speaker 1: who is in Germany, and he has been doing work

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Speaker 1: in which he developed instruments, He developed receivers that he

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Speaker 1: communicates with the higher levels, the sixth and seventh levels,

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Speaker 1: and he has the voices come through, and we actually

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Speaker 1: published a book his book for him and then distributed it.

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Speaker 1: So what we do is one of the things that

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Speaker 1: we do. We have a publication house called Greater Reality Publications,

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Speaker 1: and we will publish books for people who are trying

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Speaker 1: to get their information out. We'll also do media work.

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Speaker 1: We did media work with Sherry Pearl and she now

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Speaker 1: has her own media teaching people how to do the

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Speaker 1: instrumental trans communication and it's available free. It's online and

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Speaker 1: anybody wants to go to Afterlife Institute dot org. The

677
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Speaker 1: information is there about how to get online and how

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Speaker 1: to use that information. We support all the mediums. We

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Speaker 1: have a newsletter in which we put information about the

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Speaker 1: special events that are happening that mediums are are holding

681
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Speaker 1: because they're doing marvelous work. They're helping people to understand

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Speaker 1: what it is that's going on in the afterlife and

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Speaker 1: the fact that we can communicate with people. And we

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Speaker 1: also have our own physical mediumship circle. What we're is

685
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Speaker 1: we're attempting to work with those on the other side

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Speaker 1: who are coming through to our circle. We meet every

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Speaker 1: Sunday night and we have wonderful manifestations. We have one

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Speaker 1: physical medium who's developing UH, and this physical medium now

689
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Speaker 1: is getting ectoplasm. And we then are who are sitters

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Speaker 1: sitting around the table. He's in a closet, he's in

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Speaker 1: a cabinet. And we then who sit around the table

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Speaker 1: while we're having this seances, then have rocking the table,

693
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Speaker 1: rocking back and forth, the table moving across the room,

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Speaker 1: wraps and taps and communications that come through. So what

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Speaker 1: we're doing is we're trying to broaden what's going on

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Speaker 1: in our understanding of the field. That we just decided

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Speaker 1: to start a circle here in the middle of Illinois, UH,

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Speaker 1: and we brought people together and they honored out on

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Speaker 1: the other side by coming through and helping us by

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Speaker 1: creating this circle and making it what it is. And

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Speaker 1: so we believe that anybody can do that, that that

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Speaker 1: people all across the states around the world can start

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Speaker 1: their own circles and they can have the people on

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Speaker 1: the other side come through, and in that way, we'll

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Speaker 1: discover more physical mediums and we'll have more of these

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Speaker 1: manifestations that really show people that those on the other

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Speaker 1: side of cooperating with us and they will come through

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Speaker 1: to honor what we're doing. It's all pretty extraordinary. When

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Speaker 1: I started delving into this and hearing the word ectoplasm,

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Speaker 1: it took me into Ghostbusters and I thought, how could

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Speaker 1: I even talk about something like that, And then come

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Speaker 1: to find out Dan Ackroyd, who wrote and start in

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Speaker 1: the movie, comes from a long line of spiritualists and

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Speaker 1: great grandfather and grandfather used to practice these seances and

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Speaker 1: have people materialize again. Craig, would you talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the zoom groups, because I know there's groups,

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Speaker 1: especially now we're recording this during the time of COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen in the world, and it's really important for people

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Speaker 1: to be able to communicate. And while we don't see

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Speaker 1: each other face to face, but you've you've formed the

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Speaker 1: zoom groups that people can get involved. Yeah, the zoom

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Speaker 1: groups are marvelous because we have people from all around

723
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Speaker 1: the world getting together at the same time, and we

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Speaker 1: have speakers. Now that the Wendy Zammit and Karen jar

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Speaker 1: v are the ones who are working with them, they

726
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: are doing marvelous work. They have now probably a dozen

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Speaker 1: or more these Zoom groups. Some of the groups are

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Speaker 1: devoted to specific things like there's a group on automatic writing,

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Speaker 1: there's a group on the uniting with the loved ones

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Speaker 1: who are on the other side. There is a global

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Speaker 1: group that meets every Sunday, and on the Global group

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Speaker 1: then we have anywhere from thirties and forty people get

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Speaker 1: on at one time, and we have speakers come in

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Speaker 1: and the speakers then will speak to this entire group,

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Speaker 1: answer questions and begin a dialogue with people about it.

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Speaker 1: From then on that they will be able to contact them.

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Speaker 1: So what it's doing is it's enhancing this network that

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Speaker 1: we have. So the Zoom groups have been very successful,

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Speaker 1: and we have Zoom groups that meet every week. We're

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Speaker 1: going to be starting soon a Zoom group in which

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be teaching people how to do remote doing.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be of teaching people how to do the

743
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Speaker 1: same thing that I can do, and people can learn

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Speaker 1: how to do it, but we'll be able to do

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Speaker 1: that over Zoom. Zoom has been a boon to humankind

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Speaker 1: and we expect to see much more from it in

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Speaker 1: the decades that come. Yes, it most certainly has to

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Speaker 1: join a r EI. It's a membership site. There's lots

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Speaker 1: of free things, but it's something like it's a very

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Speaker 1: low membership fee. Is if I remember correctly. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: only thirty nine dollars to join, and we asked for

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Speaker 1: donations above that. But anybody can join for thirty nine

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Speaker 1: dollars and receive all of the newsletters and receive all

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00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: the information. But more than that, they're supporting our effort.

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Speaker 1: So this really is that members are doing the support

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Speaker 1: work and it so if anybody wants to help change

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Speaker 1: human kind, this is the way to do it. Wonderful, wonderful, um,

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you now also, I know

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Speaker 1: you've written a bunch of books and co authored, but

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Speaker 1: could you tell us a bit about Dr Alan Botkin

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Speaker 1: and your book Induced After Death Communication. Yeah, we published

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Speaker 1: a book in two thousand and five. I was contacted

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Speaker 1: by Dr al Botkin, who is a state licensed psychotherapist

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Speaker 1: in the state of Illinois. He is in Libertyville, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: and he was at a veterans hospital and he was

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Speaker 1: working with his veterans and they were in PTSD, they

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Speaker 1: post traumatic stress disorder. They were grieving and some of

768
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Speaker 1: them were actually grieving for the soldiers whom they killed,

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Speaker 1: their the enemy soldiers whom they killed, and so they

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Speaker 1: were very a prominently grieving group. And when he was

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Speaker 1: using a method call e M d r I movement

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Speaker 1: de sensitization and reprocessing, and it's called bilateral stimulation. And

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Speaker 1: what happens is he has the person either moved their

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Speaker 1: eyes or except tapping on either side of the body,

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Speaker 1: and that puts them into a state of mind in

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Speaker 1: which that PTSD is reoriented, it's reprocessed, and that very

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Speaker 1: very often will get rid of the PTSD entirely, and

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00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: so it's very successful. But he discovered that he was

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Speaker 1: having people come in who were grieving for for someone,

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Speaker 1: especially an enemy soldier or someone whom they loved who

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00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: was killed, and they were actually having a communication with

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Speaker 1: this person. So they would sit there in his office

783
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: with their eyes closed after he with him in the

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Speaker 1: state of mind to be able to do this, and

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Speaker 1: they were having communications with the with the person for

786
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Speaker 1: whom they were grieving on the other side, and they

787
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: would come out of the communications and they were almost

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Speaker 1: entirely healed of the grief. So the grief had abated

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Speaker 1: as a result of it, and it was a wonderful discovery.

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Speaker 1: And so as a result of that, then he got

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Speaker 1: together with me and we've wrote a book. The method

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00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: is called induced after death communication. That's the name of

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Speaker 1: the book, and the book now is is widely known

794
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Speaker 1: and now has checked therapists all around the world who

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Speaker 1: are doing this for people and helping them to to

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Speaker 1: communicate with their love and while they sit in his office.

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Speaker 1: And the result is that that it reduces the grief

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Speaker 1: dramatically in one session. That is wonderful. Grief can be

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Speaker 1: so painful, In fact, I think it's the most painful

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00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: thing we humans. Can suffer physical injuries, hurt for sure,

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00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: but they eventually heal. Grief is so much different. It

802
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: can last for years and just when we think we

803
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: are over it, all we need to do is here

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00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: a song, or read a greeting call art or see

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00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: a picture of our loved one, and the grief can

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00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: come flooding back. That's why it's so important to learn

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Speaker 1: about the reality of the afterlife. If you and I

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00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: can imagine our loved ones took a trip to a

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Speaker 1: great place, they just left before we did and will

810
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: most definitely see them again. We do need to connect

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Speaker 1: to our own soul to know our loved ones are

812
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Speaker 1: with us, and that means slowing down when we come

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Speaker 1: back from the break Craig will tell us about guided

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Speaker 1: and self guided afterlife connections, how you can connect with

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Speaker 1: your own loved ones. But we all need to slow

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Speaker 1: our mind chattered down, the spirit world can get through

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Speaker 1: to us if our minds are quiet. I want to

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Speaker 1: leave you with this quote from Silver Birch, through the

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Speaker 1: mediumship of Maurice Barbanel. The activity of your world is

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Speaker 1: often the silence of ours, But the silence of your

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Speaker 1: And don't forget you can listen to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and are with Craig Hogan,

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Speaker 1: President of the Afterlife Research and Education Institute. Craig who

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Speaker 1: mentioned some method that was nine percent effective in reaching

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Speaker 1: our loved ones. Could you talk a little bit about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I co authored a book with that psycho therapist that

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Speaker 1: this is another psychotherapy method and it also uses bilateral stimulation,

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Speaker 1: but it improves upon it, and I'll explain why it

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Speaker 1: improves on it. But a woman named Rochelle Wright, who

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Speaker 1: is a state license psychotherapist in Washington State, found out

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Speaker 1: about Albatkin had been doing, and so then she took

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Speaker 1: the method and she refined it and she actually had

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Speaker 1: much better results from it. And the reason that she

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Speaker 1: had much better results is that she let the people

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Speaker 1: on the other side take charge. So she would start

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Speaker 1: people the client who was sitting in the office. She

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Speaker 1: would get the client going into this state of mind.

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Speaker 1: The client would close these or her eyes and would

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Speaker 1: have this conversation with the person who is living in

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Speaker 1: the next plane of life, and then would open up

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Speaker 1: her eyes his or her eyes and would describe what

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Speaker 1: the conversation was like. And then Rochelle would would start

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Speaker 1: from there. She would stay with that and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: go back in to go to the same place you

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Speaker 1: were and see what happens next. And she would do

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Speaker 1: that and some of her sessions would last four or

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Speaker 1: five hours, and up to as long as eight hours,

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Speaker 1: and they continue to go back in and having more conversations.

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Speaker 1: And it was very exciting. But she has virtually dented.

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Speaker 1: But it's she says, to allow for the individual who

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Speaker 1: just doesn't for some reason cooperate. But she has virtually

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Speaker 1: everyone go into the state of mind in which they

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Speaker 1: have a communication with their loved when they do all

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Speaker 1: kinds of wonderful things. They walked with them on the beach,

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Speaker 1: and they talk with them, They actually how of them

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Speaker 1: and uh and kiss them. And all of these sensations

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Speaker 1: are in the mind because the touch, sensations, all of

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Speaker 1: the things that we know as senses are happening in

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Speaker 1: their mind. They're not having in the body, and so

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Speaker 1: in the mind we can have these sensations without having

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Speaker 1: to have a body involved. And so they actually do

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Speaker 1: things like they can jump in a lake and swim together,

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Speaker 1: and they can have experiences in which they fly together

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Speaker 1: or walk up into a meadow and and they then

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Speaker 1: other people will come in. So another loved one then

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Speaker 1: of the conversation. And so these are just wonderful experiences.

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Speaker 1: They change people dramatically. When people come into the office,

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Speaker 1: then they're sobbing and they're in deep grief, and when

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Speaker 1: they leave, their just joyous as a result of the

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Speaker 1: experience they've had, and there they are reassured, they know

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Speaker 1: their loved when it's fine. They've had this contact and

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Speaker 1: they know also that they're going to be fine that

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Speaker 1: when that time comes for their transition, they need to

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Speaker 1: worry about it, they needn't fear it. It's just going

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Speaker 1: to be a change of form into another form, and

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Speaker 1: then they'll have this wonderful reunion with those they love

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Speaker 1: who are still there, including their pets, and they will

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Speaker 1: have this reunion and they're sure of it as a

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Speaker 1: result of this. And the method is called repair and

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Speaker 1: Reattachment psychotherapy, And we actually have a website that I

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Speaker 1: developed for Rochelle that is devoted to repair and Reattachment psychotherapy.

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Speaker 1: It's at Repair and Reattachment all pushed together as one

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Speaker 1: word dot com. And there are many psychotherpists now. I

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Speaker 1: think that they are about a hundred and twelve psychotherapists

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Speaker 1: who are using this therapy method now around the world,

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Speaker 1: and it's been very successful in helping people in the

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Speaker 1: future we'd like to see both the induced actative communication

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Speaker 1: that how BT can developed and the repair and reattachment

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Speaker 1: psychotherapy that were SHELL developed. Like to see this commonplace

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Speaker 1: in psychotherapy and and if it were a commonplace for

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Speaker 1: people who are grieving, then we would be able to

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Speaker 1: help people in their grief and also help them understand

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Speaker 1: what it's like in the next point of life and

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Speaker 1: realize that their loved ones are just fine, and they're

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Speaker 1: looking in on them and they're spending time with them

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Speaker 1: when they can, and that it is a whole different

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Speaker 1: world than they thought it was. So it's changing people.

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Speaker 1: What do you think will happen, Craig to the suicide

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Speaker 1: rate and the depression percentage of people that are on

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Speaker 1: medications when people really embrace the reality of the afterlife, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that will diminish to zero. And the reason I say

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Speaker 1: that is that when people have this realization of who

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Speaker 1: we are, our place in eternity, our nature as spiritual beings,

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Speaker 1: having a physical experience, people's outlook on their lives, their

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Speaker 1: outlook on their loved ones lives all change. They become different.

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Speaker 1: The most dramatic example of that is in a near

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Speaker 1: death experience. In a near death experience, and somebody who's

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Speaker 1: whose functions, brain functions and body functions have shut down

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Speaker 1: because of a trauma have an experience in which they

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Speaker 1: communicate with their loved ones who are on the other

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Speaker 1: side of They communicate with a greater being of being

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Speaker 1: a light and who is full of love, and and

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Speaker 1: they don't want to come back, And the result of

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Speaker 1: that is that they become changed people. They no longer

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Speaker 1: fear death, they know where their loved ones are, They

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Speaker 1: treat people differently in their in their lives, and as

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Speaker 1: a result of that, then anybody who has had that

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Speaker 1: experience would not commit suicide. This would make a change.

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Speaker 1: What we would love to see is we'd love to

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Speaker 1: see people who are in gangs, for instance, have an

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Speaker 1: afterlife communication with one of the gang members who had passed,

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Speaker 1: who's now in spirit is on the other side. And

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Speaker 1: if this happened it was possible for them to have it,

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Speaker 1: it would change them utterly. They would no longer have

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Speaker 1: an interesting gangs, the same as true of criminals who

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Speaker 1: are homicidal, but they would they would change, and they

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Speaker 1: would be different people as a result of it, and

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Speaker 1: we would see society change. Society would be different, and

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Speaker 1: then there would not be the depression that despondents, the

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Speaker 1: hopelessness and the suicides that we have. Now that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: We have a whole new world to look forward to.

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Speaker 1: But it takes us, each of us, to share the

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Speaker 1: good word. And it could be as simple as making

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Speaker 1: a little post about Hey, listen to this episode on

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. There's a little plug. Craig. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the what we can do. And I know

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Speaker 1: you have a free, self guided afterlife connection method. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that. Sure. What I did was I had

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Speaker 1: studied when I co authored these books with the psychotherapists,

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Speaker 1: I studied the methods that they had used, and I

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Speaker 1: discovered that it would be possible to do the same

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Speaker 1: thing through self hypnosis. All you have to do is

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Speaker 1: put yourself into a state of mind in which you

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Speaker 1: could have that communication with somebody, and then you would

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Speaker 1: have the same kinds of phenomena. You would have walks

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Speaker 1: with them and touching them and kissing them and embracing

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Speaker 1: them and and spending time with them. And so I

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Speaker 1: developed a training program, and the training program is its

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Speaker 1: Self Guided DOT Spiritual Understanding dot org as a result

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Speaker 1: of using the self guided afterlife communication method. When they

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Speaker 1: go through this training program, then they are able to

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Speaker 1: have their own communication. They can sit down at any time,

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Speaker 1: they could be in a doctor's office, listening to music

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Speaker 1: and and just put themselves into that state of being

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Speaker 1: and when they're in that state of mind and they're

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Speaker 1: able to have a communication. And this is because of

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Speaker 1: the fact that we are always able to communicate with

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Speaker 1: people living on the other side of life. We can

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Speaker 1: communicate just by relaxing ourselves and going into the communication.

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Speaker 1: So this training program teaches them by starting off but

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Speaker 1: with some narration with music in which they're guided into

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Speaker 1: having this self not state. And after they've gone into

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Speaker 1: the self not a state and they're able to do

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Speaker 1: that with the music and my narration, then we take

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Speaker 1: away the narration and they're able to just listen to

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Speaker 1: the music and put themselves into that stage. And then

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Speaker 1: the next stage is to get rid of the music too,

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Speaker 1: so that they'll be able to do that and they

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Speaker 1: won't have to worry about whether they are being guided

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Speaker 1: them and whether they're using music. They can do it

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Speaker 1: at any time, so by the end of the process,

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Speaker 1: mind which they can have these acts by communication experiences,

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Speaker 1: and we then have had eight six percent success. If

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Speaker 1: people go through their training, they will be able to

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Speaker 1: communicate with their loved one living in the next spend

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Speaker 1: with them, and walk with them and and embrace them.

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Speaker 1: And these are experiences that are common now among people,

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Speaker 1: and some people every day we'll go into the state

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Speaker 1: people say, oh, well, that's just my imagination. Doesn't the

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Speaker 1: spirit world work with us through our imagination faculty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when we say that, when people say that's just my imagination,

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Speaker 1: what we don't realize the fact that our minds are

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Speaker 1: one with each other, with every being that has ever existed,

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Speaker 1: and that much of what we get is coming from

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Speaker 1: other people, from our guides, from those who love us

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Speaker 1: on the other side, and so they are continually communicating

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Speaker 1: with us. So when we are getting an idea and inspiration,

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Speaker 1: or we're getting some way of resolving the grief that

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Speaker 1: we're having, those are coming from them, and people just

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Speaker 1: don't realize how much of a communication they're getting. It

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Speaker 1: all the time from people and guides who are living

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Speaker 1: on the next plane of life. And so when we

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Speaker 1: say it's my imagination, uh, there is no mine in there.

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Speaker 1: It's our imagination. And so everybody is getting these and

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Speaker 1: they do come through, and what feels like imagination, it's

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Speaker 1: using the same mental faculty. It's the same as true

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Speaker 1: of the voices that we hear. People hear a voice

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Speaker 1: from a loved one on the other side that's in

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Speaker 1: their mind, and it sounds like their voice. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like it's them speaking, but it's only because that's how

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Speaker 1: we communicate there, that's how we process vocabulary, process words,

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Speaker 1: but that is them coming through from the other side.

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Speaker 1: And so once people begin to do this, once they

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Speaker 1: that it's true. They know for sure that they're communicating

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Speaker 1: with that who is living in the next plane of life.

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Speaker 1: They no longer say that it's my imagination. They realize

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Speaker 1: that they are in a state in which they're communicating

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Speaker 1: just as they had that person were in the room

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Speaker 1: with them. And when that occurs, when they get to

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Speaker 1: that point, then they have no doubts about it, and

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Speaker 1: they continue to communicate every day if they want to,

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Speaker 1: without doubt, and it just becomes a wonderful experience for them. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that is so special. And if you like this episode

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Speaker 1: of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the

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Speaker 1: next one. Thank you for listening to the Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast day Am Paranormal Pot