1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Seahawks Insiders. Second down and two, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: the hand off the penny at the fifteen, at the 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: ten to five, he's in touchdown. Seahawks getting you ready 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: for Seahawks football every Sunday, first and ten at the 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Seattle forty play faked Stafford, gonna stop, gonna look, gets hit, 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: gouffs down, bang and midfield. Getting to him in the 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: backfield is Daryl Taylor. Here's your host, Jen Mueller. Even 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: when it is not game day or heck, even football season, 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: we are here to keep you updated on what is 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: happening with the Seahawks, and there has been no shortage 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: of news coming out of the vMac in the last 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: few weeks. Jen Mueller and John Boyle with you just 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: to bring you up to speed, give you a little 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: insight and perspective on what the Seahawks have done and 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: where they're going. When we start thinking about the draft 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: and the beginning of training camp and the beginning of 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: the year, and John, it's gonna be weird and different. 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: It's heck, it's already weird and different. We are sitting 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: in the same room doing a podcast together. Been a 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: while since we've been elder. Everybody's back in the building 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: or getting back a little bit closer to normal. It's nice, 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: but you're right, for football reasons, it's going to feel 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: a lot different this year. It is. And it's gonna 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: be hard not to have guys like Russell Wilson and 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner in a locker room. I've covered them in 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: their entire career and you just get used to seeing 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: them sitting in their lockers or knowing that we've got 28 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: press conferences with them every week. Yeah, it is strange. 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've heard their reasons from Pete and 30 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: John why and you can understand why they made those moves, 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: But it is still hard when a guy like Russ 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: and a guy like Bobby who have just been you know, 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: icons for this franchise in the community, just great people, 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: and to see them move on is It's going to 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: be tough on fans, I get it, but it does 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: also create some excitement for what could be coming in 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: the future well, and fans will get to show their 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: appreciation or their feelings for both of those guys. This year, 39 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: we know that Bobby Wagner has signed a contract with 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: the Rams. That means that we will see him twice 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: a year. I got to be honest, I don't really 42 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: want to see him in that interform going to be strange. 43 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: And then with Russell Wilson playing for the Broncos, Denver 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: comes to Looman Field this year, so fans will get 45 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: a chance to see those guys again. We might not 46 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: get a chance to see them in the same way. 47 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: But and if I get a quick aside on Bobby 48 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: Wagner going to Division arrival, we saw this with Sherman 49 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: and I hope fans out there most understand it and 50 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: will be supportive. But I want to make sure fans 51 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: know that you know he was released, So don't get 52 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: mad at Bobby Wagner that he signs with a different team. 53 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: He did what's best for him. He went back to 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: his hometown. He's from LA So you know, if you 55 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: fans out there who might be hurt by seeing him 56 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: for a division arrival, let's not put this one on 57 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Bobby and just truly incredible guys in the organization, in 58 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: the community, and it is time for new guys to 59 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: make their mark, and I think that there is this 60 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: sense of optimism. Might not be the right word, but 61 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: you were just in the league meetings. You've spent time 62 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: around Pete and John, there is there's a spark, it 63 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: sounds like in their voices. Yeah, they're really excited. It's funny. 64 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: I was talking to some of the other Beat writers 65 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: and they were saying, you know, Pete, even by Pete standard, 66 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll standards of being so optimismic, upbeat, he seemed 67 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: to kind of even for him, have an extra pep 68 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: in his step. And this goes back to we heard 69 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: this from Pete and John and their press comments. How 70 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: when when they made the trade for Russell Wilson they 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: released Bobby Wagner, Jody Allen told them that it kind 72 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: of put them back in their wheelhouse, this idea of 73 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: you know what they did when they first got here, 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: building a program with young guys, with a lot of 75 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: draft capital, with some money to spend in free agency. 76 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: And I think they're just both really excited, maybe rejuvenated 77 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: by this challenge. But you know, when we talked to 78 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: Quandre Diggs a couple of weeks ago, he was specifically 79 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: asked why he would sign and he was told this 80 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: is not a rebuild, and he said, I have a 81 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: hard time believing that Pete Carroll is going to go 82 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: through a rebuild and that he's not always competing. In 83 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: some ways, John it's got to remind him of almost 84 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: being at USC and doing what he does best. He's 85 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: going to have to re establish culture with new guys 86 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: in key positions. He's got a lot of young guyssumably 87 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: with as much draft capital as they've now gotten back. 88 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this truly is his wheelhouse, not just from 89 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: his NFL experience with Seattle, but from what he did 90 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: for so many years at SC. Yeah, and that's an 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: important point to make that yes, they're gonna be younger, 92 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of you guys, but this 93 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: is not a tear it down be really bad to 94 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: try to get the first pick next year, both because 95 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: just Pete Carroll and John shi are competitive, don't have 96 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: that in their nature. And also I don't think in 97 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: the NFL that's always the wisest model, because look, the 98 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: idea is, you get a good young team, you find 99 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: your quarterback and build around him. If you strip it 100 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: down to the bones, then find your quarterback and you're 101 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: a terrible roster. Guess what, By the time that quarterback 102 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: is you lose that window of maximizing the quarterback being 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: in his rookie contract and kind of building a good 104 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: team around him. So they're going to be competing at 105 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: every turn to be as good as they can this year. 106 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, it does become a challenge when you're figuring 107 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: out the quarterback well. And I think that's where people 108 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: get hung up on this, right, is that you knew 109 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: that you had a franchise quarterback Russell Wilson, Although I 110 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: would take it back to his rookie year, you weren't 111 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: sure what you had with him either, right, So let's 112 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: make sure that we're looking at this with open eyes 113 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: all the way around. It seems to indicate that if 114 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: you don't have that proven entity, that it has to 115 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: be a rebuild. That's not the case, and I've talked 116 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: to many people inside the organization who have said the 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: word rebuild has never come up in any of their conversations. 118 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: You have to trust that to some degree. And I 119 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: realized things can change, pieces can move around. But if 120 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: it centers on the quarterback, let's hear what Pete Carroll 121 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: has to say with Drew Locke, because his time and 122 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: his numbers in Denver don't indicate that he is that 123 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: top level quarterback, but Pete does see a path towards 124 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: winning Withdrew Locke. If plays like he did early on, 125 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: I think he got a shot. You know, if you 126 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: go back to his first year when he was when 127 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: he was falling as a rookie, in those when he 128 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: was four and one, Hey Tai, John always record for 129 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: both wins as a as a rookie, right yeah, in 130 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: five games. Third down numbers you know were terrific. Um 131 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: take care of the football really well and all that 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: he just did. It just didn't for whatever reason the 133 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: coordinator left after that time, time's changed for him. And 134 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: then that he didn't, you know, he didn't play to 135 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: that same level. So exactly what we had evaluated John's, 136 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, the process that had evaluated, he showed. And 137 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: so you know, John stayed with it and followed him 138 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: all the way through his career and we've watched it happen. 139 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: We think he's still that guy, and so we'll see, 140 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, if he can. What we need in our 141 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: offense is the same thing we've always needed, whether it 142 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: was Carson Palmer or Russell Wilson. We need a point guard. 143 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: We need a guy that plays the plays the game 144 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: and moves the football around to the guys that are 145 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: open and does all of the things that manages the 146 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: game so that we can play great football because we're 147 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna win with defense, we're gonna win with how we 148 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: played special teams, and we'll run the football to help 149 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing fit together. That's that's never changed. This 150 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be really interesting to me to watch Drew Locke. 151 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: If he is a guy and we don't know that 152 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: he will be out, there's going to be competition. Pete 153 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: Carroll's made that very clear. But he's a guy that's 154 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of the you know, big playability, big arm. 155 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: But as Pete Carroll reference there, you want that point 156 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: guard type and one of the knocks on him, he's 157 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: turned it over quite a bit, and Pete Carroll's not 158 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: gonna stand for that. He's not if he's the starter, 159 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: he's not going to keep that job a long time 160 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: if he's turned it over. So they're gonna have to 161 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: rain that in. But the big playability is there, the 162 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: big arm, and as they reference his rookie year when 163 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: he had Rich Scangarrello was the coordinator that year that 164 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: he had his most success over that's Mike Shanahan version 165 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: of the West Coast offense. And guess what, that's what 166 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: they're doing now with Shane Waldron here. So not the 167 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: exact same offense, but it's I think he's gonna be 168 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: more comfortable in this type offense. The other thing to 169 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: keep in mind about his rookie year is that he 170 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: had a thumb injury in training camp and he missed 171 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: a large part of the season. He came back late. 172 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: You have to think that when you've got a young 173 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: guy trying to learn a system, you miss time, hurt, 174 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: and as a quarterback with a thumb injury, that's going 175 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: to affect you somewhat. Here's what we know about Drew. 176 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: He has been in the NFL for three years. He 177 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: was the second round pick of the Broncos. He does 178 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: have that big arm. At Missouri, he was setting records 179 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: for the most yards thrown by any quarterback in the NCUBLEA. 180 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: In two twenty he tied Carson Wentz for the most 181 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: interceptions in the NFL that year. He had fifteen, and 182 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: he did it in far fewer games. He's only played 183 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: twenty four games in his career. So what I would 184 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: say when I look at the numbers and I don't 185 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: like the completion percentage or the interception to test on ratio, 186 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: I would also say that's not a large sample size. Yeah, 187 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: I think they're evaluating this a lot more on their 188 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: college evaluations of Look, this is a guy who hasn't 189 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: go off to the greatest starting his career, but we 190 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: saw a guy who just three years ago looked like 191 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks in the draft and who 192 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: we think we can still bring the best out of 193 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: if given the opportunity. We're going to hear from Drew 194 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Locke in just a second on why he didn't have 195 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: those numbers in Denver that everybody projected. But before we 196 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: hear from him, I want to ask you this question 197 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: because this is another sticking point for a lot of people. 198 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: When Pete Carroll says he needs a quarterback who can 199 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: be a point guard, is that a degrading term or 200 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: is that a loaded term for quarterbacks? I think it 201 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: depends on how you're interpreted. There's some people who take 202 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: that to mean you want the game manager who's gonna 203 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: throw the ball twenty times a game and not make 204 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: big plays. And just hand the ball off a bunch. 205 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's what Pete Carroll means. I 206 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: just think he wants someone who can run the offense efficiently, 207 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: take care of the football number one. But it's not 208 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: this dink and dunk like let's be safe that they 209 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: love to throw the ball down field that will continue 210 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: to do so. So yes, in terms of Pete Carroll's 211 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: never going to probably want to be a one man 212 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: show where you're throwing at fifty times a game, weekend 213 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: and week out. But he still wants a quarterback to 214 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: go out and be a playmaker. I mean, even in 215 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's early years when they had Marshall Lynch, He's 216 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: still making a heck of a lot of big plays 217 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: and that's what they want. Yeah, it's I'm just curious, 218 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: And Drew Lockton's seemed phased by it. In fact, Drew 219 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: Locke seemed phased by absolutely nothing during his introductory press 220 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: conference and he was asked point blake, what went wrong 221 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: in Denver? And here's how he reflected on his time 222 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: with the Broncos. You know, anyone that deals in the 223 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: football realm as a quarterback, you know there's a lot 224 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: of stuff that goes on around you, And let me 225 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: start with this too. Though I will never make excuses 226 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: for my play, I could have played a lot better 227 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: in the seasons that I was I was playing there, 228 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I did some good things, but there's a lot of 229 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: things I could have done a lot better, you know, 230 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: with everything that happened with Covid not being able to practice, 231 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator, firing the first officsive coordinator after 232 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: my first year, There's just a lot that went into 233 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: those three years, and again I could have played a 234 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: lot better. I'll own up to that. But as far 235 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: as what I feel like I can do different, I'm 236 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: just gonna have the mindset of competing the whole time 237 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm gonna come in, I'm gonna work hard. 238 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work harder than anybody else in this building, 239 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna show it to these guys to try 240 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: to gain their trust, show them that I'm here to 241 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: work and you know, if you put a little faith 242 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: in me, I have a very talented skill set that 243 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: will help us win football games. There's a lot in 244 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: that answer, I like, I mean, at the end you hear, 245 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: there's the confidence I mean, this is a guy who, 246 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: as you said, said a bunch of records in college, 247 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: was also a you know, Division one recruit in basketball. 248 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, a really good athlete who's been really good 249 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: at a lot of things his whole life. So he's 250 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: got a little bit that swagger you want from a quarterback, 251 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: but he's also accountable and he realized, like, look, yes 252 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: they're mitigating circumstances, but I wasn't very good in Denver 253 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: and there's stuff I gotta do better. So I just 254 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: I like that in just one short answer, we kind 255 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: of saw some of the humility but also the confidence 256 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: that you want out of your quarterback. Well, and we 257 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: heard that the entire press conference because one of the 258 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: other things he said he learned from Denver and going 259 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: through those ups and downs is to take what's there 260 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: and that if what you have is a one yard checkdown, 261 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: he's learned just to take that and live for the 262 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: next play. And it sounds to me, and I did 263 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: not watch a whole lot of Drew lockheck, I don't 264 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: watch a whole lot of AFC, but it sounds to 265 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: me like he was also trying to force things to 266 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: make up for whatever the bad play was right and 267 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: now we'll see if this plays out once we get 268 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: to real games. But now it seems like he's learned 269 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of patience and that you know, he's 270 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: seeing the game in a different way. Yeah, I mean, 271 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: that's you go through those struggles, you're either gonna learn 272 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: or you're probably gonna be out the league pretty quick. 273 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: So he's learned some of the mistakes, and again, I 274 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: think Pete Carroll will work really hard on that with him, 275 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: of you know, yes, we want you to take your shots, 276 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: but you got to do it in the right spot, 277 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes you got to take the safe out and 278 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: move on to the next play and not turn the 279 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: ball over. He wants to make his own name here 280 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: in Seattle. He has been number three through his entire 281 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: career and chose not to do that because he wanted 282 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: to respect Russell Wilson and the legacy that he created 283 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: here and he wants to create his own, which I 284 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: thought was another very cool little tidbit from that introductory 285 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: meeting from him. Yeah, for sure, I mean, I think 286 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: he knows well as anybody would have been really awkward, 287 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: even if the team had wanted to let him wear three, 288 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: it would have put a lot of undue pressure, weird 289 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: situation on him. So yeah, it's good for him, fresh 290 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: start in a lot of ways, and why not trying 291 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: new number as well. But he also feels the pressure 292 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: because he knows that while right now it looks like 293 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: he could be the starting quarterback, that might not be 294 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: the case come week one. Nothing has been promised, as 295 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, as I would want. I'd want them to 296 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: come in here and tell me I need to earn it, 297 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: tell me to come in and work, tell me any 298 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: to come in and compete. I need to play well. 299 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things I need to do to 300 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: show this organization that I should be the one taking 301 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: those snaps. But right now, nothing is promised. It's just 302 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: my job to come in and work extremely hard and 303 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: compete for that starting job. You know, one of the 304 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: big things we heard out of Pete Carroll at the 305 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: owners meetings this week is, yeah, first of all, they 306 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: want to resign Gino Smith. He's been pretty consistent about 307 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: that this offseason. And if Gino Smith is back, he's 308 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: going to be right in the mix. You know, he 309 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: played pretty well in the games he started. He's gonna 310 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: have the leg up in terms of knowing the offense. 311 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: But one thing Pete Carroll said is whether or not 312 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: they bring in Smith. The way he put it, they're 313 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: still in the quarterback business. They want to get that 314 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: fourth guy in and you know, that could be someone 315 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: they draft next week. It could be a free agent. 316 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: You know, we've heard a lot of rumors about trade 317 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: potentially being out there. There could be a trade, So 318 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: there's gonna be another quarterback in here, probably somebody that 319 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking just like a camp arm, 320 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: but somebody they see as someone who can compete. So 321 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a real fun camp. They keep compared 322 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: to twenty and twelve and kind of that. You know, 323 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: you go out, you sign three legit. Yeah, I mean, 324 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: you have the returning starter in Tavars Jackson, you signed 325 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: Matt Flynn whoever and assumed, okay, that's your guy. Then 326 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: you go draft Russell Wilson and oh he turned out 327 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback and that 328 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: worked out pretty well. So yeah, I think this is 329 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: going to be a really fun competition to watch in camp, 330 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: and I think we'll see at least one more name 331 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: in addition to Gino Smith added to that mix. Well, 332 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: and it's not just Pete saying that. John Schneider has 333 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: said that, and I think you can hear I don't 334 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: know if it's excitement or urgency. You tell me when 335 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: you hear John talk about what that quarterback room is 336 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: going to look like. We'll continue explore options, but we 337 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: have a ton of faith and Drew, we're excited about it. 338 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: We're excited about a change of scenery forum, you know, 339 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: in a coup of my buddies that were trying to 340 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: acquire him all last spring into the fall. You know. 341 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: So he's a guy that you know, in my opinion, 342 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: the media is beat down a little bit. So we're 343 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: excited to get him into our culture with our coaching staff, 344 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to look for guys to compete with them. 345 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: As Pete has stated earlier, you know, you know, did 346 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: generated a nice job for us. There's a number of 347 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: guys are still available and we're going to continue to 348 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: work through that. I think that sounds like urgency. I 349 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: don't know, it's a mix of like urgency and excitement. 350 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: To me, I can't quite tell. He's very excited about this, 351 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: but the urgency is also like, yeah, you can figure 352 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: out who your starting quarterback is. That's awfully important in 353 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: this league. So they understand that. Look that for the 354 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: future of this franchise, in the situation that was developing, 355 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: trading Russell Wilson is what they felt like was the 356 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: best move. But they're not dumbies. They know that trading 357 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson means in terms of winning games in twenty 358 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: twenty two, their job got a lot harder. Yeah, well, 359 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: I also look, I always look forward to when the 360 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: NFL schedule is released. It is one of my favorite 361 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: days of the year, and then I map out, you know, 362 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: wins and losses and where we're going to be and 363 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: what we're going to be doing, and where we're eating. 364 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: There's just a whole lot that goes into that day 365 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: for me. But this year, I'm also going to evaluate 366 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: it based on what's the easiest landing spot for whoever 367 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: is quarterbacking Because it is unlikely that the Seahawks, unless 368 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: there is a big trade for a veteran name, have 369 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback that has established himself as a regular starter, 370 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be interesting to see 371 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: how that sets up. I also think it's worth pointing 372 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: out again, we did this at the end of the year. 373 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: By virtue of where the Seahawks finished in the division, 374 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: they will be playing an easier schedule and they have 375 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: played in a number of years now. There's a lot 376 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: of things that can happen based on trades and movements 377 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: and injuries and everything. LUs have to play the entire 378 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: AFC West, which okay, you know what, not easy, John, Sorry, 379 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: just stop. I was on a roll and I was 380 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: going for optimistic all right. Sorry, way to crash the party. Look, 381 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: this is not just about the offense, but I do 382 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: want to hear from one more piece of the office. 383 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: And the Seahawks resigned because there was a huge question 384 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: as to whether Rashad Penny had done enough to earn 385 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: another contract or if he was going to go and 386 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: test the market, because the last few weeks of the 387 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: season seemed to indicate that he was exactly the running 388 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: back that the Seahawks drafted. They knew that he could 389 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: put up those numbers. At the end of the day, 390 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: Rashad Penny comes home for at least one more year 391 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: and says that he can pick up where he left off. 392 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: For the most part, I've always like believed in my 393 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: abilities and have confidence, you know. Um, but now I've 394 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: just been I've just been uh the injury part, you know, 395 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: that just came into play. But I've always been confident 396 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: in the abilities and what I can do, and I'm 397 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: pretty sure everybody else have too. And UM, I'm just 398 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: thankful to be back here, you know. UM, I think 399 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: like this means a lot to me. And you know, 400 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: to be back with the same running back group, you know, 401 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: same type of guys that's around the building. You know, 402 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: this is just a lovely environment and UM, I wouldn't 403 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: trade for anywhere else. Tell you what Pete care All 404 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: is not. He's going to get excited about everything. But 405 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: the way he's been talking about this Rashad Penny sign, 406 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: you can tell like this was really important to him 407 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: because it wasn't just obviously Rashad Penny's numbers were so impressive, 408 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: but it is the way when when they run the 409 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: ball like that, what it does for that whole offense. 410 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you get Russ's numbers were the best all 411 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: year the last few weeks. When they were running the ball, 412 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: they get all those explosive pass plays out of it. 413 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: And then obviously you get all the rushing yards. So 414 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: that was really important for them to get Rashad Penny back. 415 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: You know, you hope Chris Carson, as Pete Carroll said 416 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: this week, you know, they don't know for sure what 417 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be like for him till he gets 418 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: some contacts. But if you can have both those guys 419 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: and have that one two punch, get that running game. 420 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: You know, we keep talking about the quarterback, it's gonna 421 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: make a lot easier on whoever the quarterback is. If 422 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: you've got a good running game with those guys. I've 423 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: been rewatching some of those games at the end of 424 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: the year and that's when Rashad was just breaking out 425 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: and you know, eight yards twenty five yards. The other thing, 426 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: it really helped third down conversion numbers. There were a 427 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: number of times they weren't facing third and long. Heck, 428 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: they weren't even getting to third down with the way 429 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: that he was running the ball. So it absolutely helps 430 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: all the way around. Here's what else is going to 431 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: help the offense defense. Offense is not evaluated in a vacuum. 432 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Even though you want to look at those offensive numbers. 433 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: Time on the field makes a difference. And what your 434 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: defense is giving you makes a difference. I'm also going 435 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: to throw out their special teams did a great job 436 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: in field position, but you have got to get more 437 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: out of your defense. I think you were going to 438 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: do that with some draft picks. We're going to hear 439 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: from John Schneider in just a minute. But how do 440 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: you see defense fitting into this because this has always 441 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: been the Pete Carrolls Seahawks way. Yeah, And one of 442 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: the things I've loved most about this offseason is Pete 443 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Carroll has made it pretty clear that, look, you know, 444 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: he's a defensive guy. He's done things a certain way 445 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: a long time, but he's made it clear more more 446 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: of this offseas than ever that he is open to 447 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: change to do what's best for this defense. And you know, 448 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: Clinton hurt is the new coordinator who's obviously been around, 449 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: but his defensive philosophy isn't always the same as Pete Carroll's, 450 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: and he and Pete have both made it clear they're 451 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: gonna do some things different. It's going to have a 452 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: lot more of a three four field to it. And 453 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: then the secondary, I think, well we're going to see 454 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: some cool things coverage wise with Seawan to sign Carl 455 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Scott coming in, so you know, to me training camp 456 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: it will be lafun just sort of to start to 457 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: get a glimpse of what this defense looks like, how 458 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: they're going to use guys on the back end, hopefully, 459 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: how this benefits of pass rush, because that's been a 460 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: issued last two seasons of some inconsistency on the pass rush. 461 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: And now you're going to look a little different upfront, 462 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: and maybe that'll help guys get home more. But yeah, 463 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: you're right, having this defense get back to something close 464 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: to what it was earlier last decade, that would help 465 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: everybody out a lot. I think what I am hearing 466 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: when I talk to Clint Hurt or when I listen 467 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: to Pete Carroll, I think what I'm hearing of this 468 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: defense is Clint Hurt is willing to take more chances 469 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: and be more aggressive in coverage. And we know that 470 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: that was not Ken Norton's style. Not a knock on him, 471 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: just wasn't in style, and for a while you didn't 472 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: have to do that. I think the other thing is 473 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: if you commit to three four, and the guys have 474 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: said very rarely do you play bass defense the entire time, right, 475 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: So this is a little bit of just like I 476 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: don't know, hypothetical semantics, whatever you want to call it. 477 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: I do think it allows for Jamal Adams to be 478 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: in the box more and to be utilized more on 479 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the edge, because if you are going to commit to 480 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: that from the beginning, you're going to build the entire 481 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: defense differently and then you're going to ask different things. 482 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: So I think that that's what we're going to be 483 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: seeing and more ballhawking. And I think that this all 484 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: goes back to why the Seahawks were comfortable and releasing 485 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. And that's a hard thing to say when 486 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: you look at the number of tackles, But in the NFL, 487 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: if you can't get edge rushers, I can I can 488 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: get a middle linebacker. And please do not do not 489 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: think that I am saying that I'm I'm glad Bobby's 490 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: not here. But if you just look at a personnel 491 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: and a defensive scheme, edge rushers, that's where the NFL y. 492 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: You go back the last two offseasons when Pete Carroll's 493 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, what they need to improve at 494 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: the end of each season. He's brought up the pastor 495 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: us both the last two years, is the first thing 496 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: he mentioned, So you know, I think we could see 497 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: him attack that in the draft. They've went out and 498 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: signed a couple of guys already. It's a it's a position, 499 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily just off the edge. It's maybe 500 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: it's season tior guys like Shelby Harrison and Quentin Jefferson 501 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: they added who can add to that, But that's something 502 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: they got to get better at well. And I do 503 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: think that it's important to use some of that draft 504 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: capital because it can't just be guys with years on 505 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: their legs. Let's just say that it helps to cultivate 506 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: a guy, to get a guy like a Frank Clark 507 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: or or Darrel Taylor, right, like any of these guys, 508 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: and cultivate them and groom them into your system. Okay, 509 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: So I promise that we would hear from John Schneider. 510 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: He's talking about draft capital. They got a lot back 511 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: when they traded Russell Wilson, and it's picks that they 512 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: need in this upcoming year. Oh, it's enormous. When we 513 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: made the Jamal trade, you know, it was a you're 514 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: talking about COVID years here, So you have two really 515 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: funky years and to be able to get the ninth 516 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: pick right and then to be able to you know, 517 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: get to forty and forty one for us was big, 518 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: especially in this draft. And uh yeah, we're gonna pick 519 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: eight times. I say that I have no idea only 520 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: times for the pick right, but uh yeah, it's really big. 521 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: And then especially next year when the majority of the 522 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: cap space comes to an effect into effect with with 523 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: Russell's contract, and then the draft capital next year as 524 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: well with the two ones and the two twos. So 525 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: you know, four picks in the first two rounds. You know, 526 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: we already talked about they're not rebuilding, they want to 527 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: win right now, but it is worth looking at this 528 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: does set up really well for a couple of years 529 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: down the road. I mean, this year, they're in good 530 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: position with those draft picks, but as John just mentioned, 531 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: you got two ones and two twos next year, and 532 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: a ton of money comes off the books with the 533 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson trade and started in twenty twenty three, so 534 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: they're going to have all sorts of ability to improve 535 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: the team next offseason as well. But even this draft, 536 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: having three picks in the top forty one is a 537 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: big deal number nine. That pick is either Gonae, you 538 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: a really good player, or he kind of joked, we 539 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: didn't know how many times they'll pick because they could 540 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: move back. And I think one thing to consider is 541 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: when we're used to seeing this team trade back from 542 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, twenty six to twenty eight or whatever, the 543 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: value of dropping a few spots in the late round, 544 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: late first round versus if you move back. Let's say 545 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: there's you're sitting there at nine and there's four players 546 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: you love equally and a team picking at thirteen or 547 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: fourteen wants to come up and get that ninth pick, 548 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: and you feel comfortable doing it, what you get back 549 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: for moving those three four spots early in the first 550 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: round versus late is pretty huge. I mean you're talking significant, 551 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: you know, second third round picks coming back your way 552 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: if you're doing that. So if they do move back, 553 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: which certainly would not shock me, they're going to get 554 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: a bunch of really good picks for doing it, you know. 555 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: And I think we're obviously going to do a podcast 556 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: around the draft. Yeah, But I also think this is 557 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: another one of those points that maybe the pessimists out 558 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: there would look and say, are you pleased with the 559 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: players the Seahawks have drafted in the last few years. 560 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: And what I would actually ask you, John, is how 561 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: different is it now when you know that what you're 562 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: drafting are playmakers who are going to play right now, 563 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: Versus I'm trying to draft you to go into the 564 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: legion of boom where you're not going to get to 565 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: play all the time and you've got to figure out 566 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: how to navigate strong personalities and guys that are getting 567 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: the majority of the playing time. That's a different evaluation versus, Okay, 568 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: let's go get best available at every spot because we 569 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: know that we've got room to plug you in. Yeah, 570 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: for sure, that's a big difference. And also just where 571 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: you are in the draft border it's people. It's really 572 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: easy to look at a bunch of Seahawks late first 573 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: round picks that haven't been great and say like, oh, 574 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: they're about at drafting. But go find me another team 575 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: that consistently drafts well at the back of the first round. 576 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Is that those are not easy to hit picks, and 577 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, some teams have hit on them, but team's 578 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: missing that range all the time. It's you know, when 579 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: you're drafting top ten or whatever, that's one. Okay, that's 580 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: an obvious guy who should be really good for you. So, yes, 581 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: there's some picks. I'm sure they'd love to redo, and 582 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: they haven't hit on all of them by any means. 583 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: But it is a lot easier to draft well when, 584 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: as you said, you're gonna be able to pick guys 585 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: who can just come right in and compete right away 586 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: with less you know, big roadblocks in front of them, 587 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: and you're just picking earlier in the first and second round. Yeah. Yeah, 588 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: because when you start picking in the later round, you 589 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: still have first round or attached to your exactly right, 590 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: So there's the expectation that you're going to be like 591 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: the number one guy. Well that it's just it's just different. 592 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: That's just different. Okay, what do you think they do 593 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: with their their top draft pick. I don't need a name. 594 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: I just want a position group. I have my thoughts. 595 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: I mean, the most obvious to me is either an 596 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: edge rusher or a tackle right now, I mean those 597 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: are two position groups. Are you taking a moving that 598 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: you're not saying defensive tackle, I'm assuming you're saying often. 599 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying often tackle. I'm gonna as much as Pete 600 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Harps on pass rush as things stand now, I'm gonna 601 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: go to tackles just because you're real thin there right now. 602 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: If you don't resign some guys. Now, look if we 603 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: get between now and the draft, if Dwayne Brown resigns, 604 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: if Branch Shellery signs, especially if both resign, then I 605 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: think edge rush becomes the most likely. But just based 606 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: on need, I think tackle makes a lot of sense 607 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you make a strong case. I 608 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: just I want an edge rusher. I want that guy. Man, 609 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: it is so hard now I realize it's really hard 610 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: to find a left tackle. I'm not saying that, but 611 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: it's so hard to find those guys, and then you 612 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: get them on their rookie contract, like, get a good one, 613 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: then you're not Then you're not having to pay big bucks. 614 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: I mean, their history agrees with you. They've used a 615 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: lot more early picks on on D N D dresh 616 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: types than just about anything. So I'm I think that's 617 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: a very very real possibility. I'm just you're just being 618 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: nice until they well, no, I just there's two tackles 619 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: on the team three I think, but one from the 620 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: practice world last year. Two two tackles who are on 621 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: the fifty three last year are currently on the team, 622 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: So it does seem to be an area that's but 623 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: again going to get addressed. Yeah, I'm not gonna go 624 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: to training camp with two tackles. Don't worry everyone. But 625 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: I guess to me is just do they address it 626 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: in a significant way between now and the draft? And 627 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: if they do, then I'm all for loading up edge rushers. 628 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: But if they don't, you gonna tackle early might be nice. 629 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: Let's go edge rushers. And you know I love Dwayne Brown, 630 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: so let's just so can we just resigna Let's sign Twayne, 631 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: Let's signum? But yeah, would you like let's sign Shell? 632 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: We could do that one too. No, Okay, well, I 633 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: think that John is tired of me. This is why 634 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: we have not done podcast regularly in the offseason. However, 635 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: we will be back with you around the time of 636 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: the draft because clearly we have so much more to 637 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: talk about. We hope that you've enjoyed this edition of 638 00:28:42,000 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: the Seahawks Insiders podcast. Say I Stead