1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to step Mom? Never told you? 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: From House topbords dot com. Colly, and welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristin Kristen. Today are our 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: topic is abortion and you and I are determined to 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: make this politics free as possible if you know, may 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: not be possible, but that's what we're gonna do. We're 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna ignore current events for a moment and just talk 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: about what happens when you're in a doctor's office to 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: get an abortion. And to start things off, I will 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: I will tell a little lighthearted anecdote. Um, I'm going 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: to admit to googling myself. I think we all do 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: it every now and I do what you gotta check 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: up and see see what's gonna make your no one's 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: talking smack about you? Right? So, Um, I googled myself 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: recently and at the bottom when it's related searches to 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: the search term Molly Edmund abortion, Molly Edmonds comes up 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: and I was like what, But then I remembered I 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: wrote how abortion works for our site how stuff Works 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Right, So, apparently, people who I don't know 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: if they're just looking for this article and I know 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: I wrote it, and so it goes abortion Molly Edmonds. 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: But it's a common search term apparently. And UM, I'm 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: happy to be associated with this article because I'm proud 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: of it. A lot of research went into it to 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: take out the politics. As we just mentioned, I wanted 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: it to be as straightforward as possible, and so that's 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: what we're going to present, a straightforward look at abortion, 29 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: right because I would argue that the public is probably 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: more familiar with the political debate around abortion than they 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: are about the actual procedure. I think it's the most 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: common procedure that's not actually talked about. And in fact, 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: before we came in here, I was trying to find 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: more information about therapeutic abortion, which is when there's a 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: health reason for terminating a pregnancy, and it's very hard 36 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: to find any accounts it. Um, you know, it's just 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: not talked about. And UM, we're gonna get behind the 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: arguments about pro life, pro choice however you want to 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: put it, and just talk about what happens when you 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: get abortions, who's having them, why they're having them, how 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: they have them right because we talked about planned parenthood 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: way back when, but on most people associates in parenthood 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: with birth control and abortion. So today we are going 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: to talk about really what happens. And here's the thing. 45 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: It happens a lot. Just to toss out some statistics 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: since we love statistics. UM. In the US alone, UM 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: half of the six million pregnancies that occur each year 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: are unplanned, and about one point three million of those 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: unplanned pregnancies and an abortion. And according to the Gootmaker Institute, 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: about one third of women in the US will have 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: an abortion by the age of forty one in three. 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: One in three pretty staggering, and worldwide, not just the US, 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: about two percent of all reproductive aged women have an 54 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: abortion each year. So what kind of woman is having 55 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: an abortion? According to the Gootmaker Institute in the US, 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: that woman is young. The women who have an abortion 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the U S are under the age of UH, more 58 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: likely to be unmarried than married. Lower class. The abortion 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: rate for poor women is four times higher than that 60 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: of women living above the poverty line. UH. The woman 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: who is likely have abortion probably has at least one 62 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: child already. Six of abortions are performed on women who 63 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: are already mothers, and she reports not using contraceptives properly, 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: if at all. And it's pretty spread across UH racial 65 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: demographics are attributed to black women percent, to white women, 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: to Hispanic women. And here's the thing that um, I 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: think it's important to keep in mind, especially when we do. 68 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'll side of the podcast get talking about 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: the politics involved in all of this. Abortion is one 70 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: of the most common surgical procedures for women, and yet 71 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: we are so uncomfortable talking about what actually happens. And 72 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the main reasons that Molly and I 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it today, because you don't think 74 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: about that. We know that abortion happens, but consider that 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: one of the most common surgical procedures for women, right 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: and so if you're let's say, you take a pregnancy test, 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: you get it back, you're pregnant, you don't want to be, 78 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: and you decide to pursue an abortion, where you start 79 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: looking a local plan Parenthood, as we mentioned, is a 80 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: great place to start. A family planning clinic if there's 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: not one in your area, can contact just your O, 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: B G Y in and ask for a referral or 83 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: maybe she'll do it. Midwives, nurse practitioners. They are licensed 84 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: to do abortion, so there's a wide variety of medical 85 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: professionals that can do it. The Gootmacher Institute estimates that 86 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: the average amount paid for an abortion in the United 87 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: States is fo dollars and just note that first trimester 88 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: abortions are less expensive than second trimester abortions. There are 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: two methods for performing an abortion. You can have a 90 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: medical abortion or a surgical abortion. And in a medical 91 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: abortion UH, you take pills to expel the fetus from 92 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: your body. You take an abortive facient, which is an 93 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: abortion inducing substance, and the f d A approved UM. 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: It's basically a two part procedure where you go in 95 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: first to a clinic and you take UM six in 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: r milligrams of something called mythopristone, which is followed by 97 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: four hundred micrograms of ms A prostal, which you can 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: usually take in your home if you elect to. And 99 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: you might have heard of methophristone, as are you for 100 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: eight six and it blocks the hormone progesterone, which allows 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: the uterine lining to build up to support the embryo 102 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: in the womb. So basically when you take are you 103 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: four it six, it causes that that uter in lining 104 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: to break down and bleeding similar to a minstrel period 105 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: will start to happen. And typically you will take that 106 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: first dosage at a doctor's office, and then a few 107 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: days later at your home or in a doctor's office, 108 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: you take that second half, which is actually what expels 109 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: the fetus in a process very similar to a miscarriage. 110 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: It feels very similar in terms of the cramping, nausea, 111 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: and the bleeding obviously is very similar so UM and 112 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: also something I learned after with this articles, they usually 113 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: have you take a suppository of a sedative to deal 114 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: with that that cramping and pain UM and then the 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: leading can occur for up to two weeks. But this 116 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: type of abortion is effective nine percent a time when 117 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: it's done in the first nine weeks of pregnancy, so 118 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: there is a window after which a medical abortion will 119 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: not work right, and it's used around the ninth week 120 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: in and it's at that time that you will probably 121 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: opt for a surgical abortion. And one of the most 122 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: common types of surgical abortions would be a vacuum extraction abortion, 123 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: and this is Actually, the most common method is a 124 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: vacuum extraction, and it can be performed for twelve weeks 125 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: after a woman's last period, and it can happen either 126 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: with the fetus being extracted, either manually or with a 127 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: handheld suction device or with an actual machine vacuum and UM. 128 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: The manual vacuum extraction is UM one of was one 129 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: of the earliest surgical options available to women. And basically 130 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: you go and it's it's not that much unlike a 131 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: gynecological exam where um, you sit in the chair, you're 132 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: in the stirrups um, you will be a speculum will 133 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: be inserted into a woman's vagina um. The cervix might 134 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: have to be slightly numbed, and then the doctor will 135 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: insert a tube through the cervix and into the unuse 136 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: and then apply um section with a special handheld device 137 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: to extract the contents of the uterus. And it only 138 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: takes a few minutes, right, And you know, we found 139 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: a few blogs on the Internet of women who have 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: had abortion, so we're sharing their experiences and these are 141 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: very rare, usually because the politics will enter into it. 142 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: But I did want to read a description from an 143 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: abortion blog of what this process feels like Emmanuel vacuum extraction, 144 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: and this is from my abortion blog dot tumbler dot 145 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: com and I'm just gonna read verbatim what she wrote, 146 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: and before Molly starts, I do want to provide a 147 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: trigger warning for listeners out there, since this is a 148 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: pretty graphic account of what happens. The doctrines are the 149 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: speculum and then wiped my service clean with an antibiotic. 150 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: She then topically numbed it a bit and followed that 151 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: up with an anesthestic injection. This felt like a tiny 152 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: little poke and was mostly just uncomfortable, no less odd 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: feeling than a regular pap smear. The weird part was 154 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: that I got a little woozy and dizzy seconds after 155 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the shot because the anesthetic entered my bloodst She talked 156 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: me through this, but I actually liked the feeling. Next, 157 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: she dilated my servix, but I didn't really feel much 158 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: more than a bit of pressure. She then inserted a 159 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: hose about the diameter of a pen, and again I 160 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: felt a bit of pressure. I could feel once the 161 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: procedure started, because I started getting some cramps about the 162 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: same as I would during a period. They continued. As 163 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: she continued the aspiration, there was also a slight tugging 164 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: feeling from the inside that was kind of odd. I 165 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: kept my hand on my belly the entire time. I 166 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: could feel my uterus tugging from the inside, like my 167 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: belly was actually rising and falling. The cramping continued, but 168 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: it was no worse than when I got from my period. 169 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: At the very end, the cramping got really bad, but 170 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: which she said was normal because it meant the uterus 171 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: was contracting back to its normal size. I think the 172 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: worst part was probably the five or so minutes after afterwards, 173 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: from the cramping got intense and the naja struck. I 174 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: started sweating a bit, and my boyfriend held my hand 175 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: tightly and kept a bucket in his hand in case 176 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: I needed to throw up. The cramps were uncomfortable, like 177 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: a combination of period and bathroom cramps at the same time, 178 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: and for a second I felt they would never go 179 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: away and I'd be curled up in that room forever. 180 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: But actually less than quickly and soon all but disappeared. 181 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: So that's one person's first person account of having an abortion. 182 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: So that was an example of a manual vacuum extraction, 183 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: but women can also have a machine vacuum extraction extraction 184 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: and the process is slightly more intensive since the woman's 185 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: cervix will need to be dilated and that's going to 186 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: happen either through absorbent dilators inserted a day beforehand or 187 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: by inserting rods that gradually increase in size on the 188 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: day of the procedure. And the rest of the abortion 189 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: procedure is very similar to manual extraction, except a machine 190 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: is going to apply the suction that pulls out the 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: uterine contents through the tube. And then sometimes after completing 192 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the vacuum extraction, UH, the doctor will need to use 193 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: a curette to scrape the remaining feel tissue from the uterus, right, 194 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: And a cura is a long, thin instrument with a 195 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of a serrated spirit the end. That's the part 196 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that actually does the scraping, and when the cuat is 197 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: brought in, the procedure might be called a d n 198 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: C and UH this is you might also have a 199 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: d NC just at a gynecological exam if you've got 200 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: uh some sort of vaginal bleeding, if there's something going 201 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: on up there. Um and these extractions can usually reformed 202 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: up to sixteen weeks after women's last period, when they 203 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: bring the curet in to help scrape. Now we're at 204 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: sixteen weeks after a period extraction and then a curet. 205 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: Now once we um hit the sixteen week part, abortions 206 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: that take place after that are really the most controversial. 207 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: These are performed with a method known as dilation and evacuation. 208 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: And uh, this method, again, like to to provide a 209 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: little bit of a trigger warning, is a little more 210 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: um intensive than the vacuum extraction methods. And I think 211 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: it's natural that it has to be a little more 212 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: intensive because we're past sixteen weeks, were in the second trimester. U, 213 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: the fetus is a little bit more developed, but still 214 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: not viable outside womb. It can't live outside the woom 215 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: on its own according to medical definition. So I'm gonna 216 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and read the definition of the dilation and evacuation. 217 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: What they have to do is they have to administer 218 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: a shot to the fetus through abdominal tissue to ensure 219 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: that the fetus is dead. Uh, they give medication to 220 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: the woman and as with the other methods that Kristen described, 221 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: they have to stretch the cervis through rods or through 222 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: um dilators. The fetal tissue is then extracted to the 223 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: degree possible with the vacuum that we mentioned in those 224 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: first trimester abortions. But then because the fetis has developed 225 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: it's a little bit larger, they might have to insert 226 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: forceps into the vagina and crush the fetus's head to 227 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: bring it out, or to break down the fetus so 228 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: that it can be removed. And uh, you know, the 229 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: doctors who pioneered this concept said they were looking for 230 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: a way to perform second trimester abortions that could be 231 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: done in a one day in and out outpatient procedure. 232 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: So it's a way to abort a fetis in a 233 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: way that that still allows women to kind of leave 234 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: of her own volition at the end of the day. 235 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: And these are I think we should mention that these 236 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: make up a very very small um proportion of all 237 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: the abortion procedures that happen every year. That what was 238 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: at one point three million abortions happen every year in 239 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: the United States, and a lot of times h dilation 240 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: and evacuation abortions happen. In the case of therapeutic abortions, 241 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: where the mother's life might be at risk carrying the 242 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: pregnancy to term. Now, one last type of abortion procedure 243 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,239 Speaker 1: that we need to talk about is certainly the most controversial. 244 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: It's called dilation and extraction method and you've probably heard 245 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: of it as partial birth abortion. Right. This is when 246 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: the fetus is partially delivered vaginally, uh, in a breach position. 247 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: And when they have the fetus, you know, a little 248 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: bit out of the way, they'll make up out of 249 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: the way of the woman. They'll make a hole in 250 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: the base of the fetal skull, insert tubing, and you 251 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: suction to pull out the brain of the fetus. Uh. 252 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: This is so that the feet the skull will collapse 253 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: in the fetus can be fully expelled. And as Kristen said, 254 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: this this method is pretty controversial. It's been banned in 255 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: the United States except in the case of protecting a 256 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: woman's health. Um. Perhaps you might have an uneffected uterus 257 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: or hard condition that makes it impossible to continue the pregnancy. Now, 258 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: as Kristen sindys, you're extremely rare. The Gootmaker Institute estimates 259 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: that this makes up point to percent of all abortions 260 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: in the United States. UM. So that's that's sort of 261 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: the range that they can go. We've gone from taking 262 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: a pill and having a process very similar to a miscarriage, 263 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: all the way up to dilation and extraction, where we're 264 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: pulling out the fetus. Again, it's not medically viable at 265 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: this point, can't live outside of the womb. But you know, 266 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: then that's where the politics gets into it, that we're 267 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: gonna skip and that you know, is this a person 268 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: yet is it not. That's not our argument today. We'll 269 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: let you guys battle that out. But those that's the 270 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: range of abortion procedures that can take place. And and 271 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: even though the procedures that we've described sound very unpleasant, 272 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure to our listeners, one thing to keep in 273 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: mind is that while possibly unpleasant, they are generally very 274 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: very safe. Um. In fact, a woman has eleven times 275 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: the chance of dying in childbirth as she does of 276 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: dying from an abortion performed in the first twenty weeks 277 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: of pregnancy. Now, after an abortion, regardless of the type 278 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: of abortion performed, women are kept in a recovery room 279 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: for a few hours, and then they usually go home, 280 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: where they'll continue to bleed um. They may have really 281 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: large blood clots. But a sign of a complication is 282 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: when the blood clots get larger than a lemon um. 283 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: But you know, you might have some fairly sizeable blood 284 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: clots for a few days. You can some women go 285 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: back to work the same day or the day after. 286 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: Some women go back to class very shortly after. But 287 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,479 Speaker 1: the two things you can't do though our strenuous exercise 288 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: and putting anything in your vagina which ranges from a 289 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: tampon to sexual intercourse that would involve vaginal penetration. So um, 290 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: the vagina has to heal from this. Nothing nothing can 291 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: go up there. But speaking of intercourse and vaginal healing, 292 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: abortion does not affect future fertility. And I think that's 293 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: one one common misconception that we need to um that 294 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: we need to clear up that if you if a 295 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: woman has an abortion, it typically does not harm her 296 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: chances of having a child later. And another thing that 297 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: has been linked with abortion is a higher rate of 298 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: breast cancer. But some researchers are concerned that the studies 299 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: that link higher rate of breast cancer to abortion maybe 300 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: because the women who have breast cancer are so desperate 301 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: to find out why they have it that they'll admit 302 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: to an abortion, whereas women who don't have breast cancer 303 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: may not admit to an abortion. Uh to a researcher 304 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: that they don't know, so they haven't really drawn a 305 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: conclusive link. In fact, another study and from two thousand seven, 306 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: it followed a control group of women who didn't have 307 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: abortions against a group of woman that did, knowing out 308 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: from the front how everyone had had scored on the 309 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: abortion card, and the sentence of breast cancer was about 310 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: the same. So uh, that's right, doesn't affect future utility, 311 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: probably doesn't affect breast cancer. One aspect of abortion recovery 312 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: that often comes up in these politicized debates that we 313 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: do need to address is the mental health of the 314 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: woman involved. Because a lot of times you might hear 315 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: about post abortion syndrome, essentially that after a woman has 316 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: an abortion, she is going to suffer from massive anxiety 317 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: and depression and guilt over terminating a fetus, terminating a 318 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: pregnancy UM. But we need to remember that it is 319 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: not recognized by any medical or psychological association. And in fact, 320 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: UM a study that just came out in January UM 321 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: from a group of Danish researchers comparing UM mental health 322 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: effects post abortion and then post childbirth. Actually finds that 323 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: just like with childbirth, you know, you can't um can't 324 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: predict the mental health effects of either caring a child 325 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: to term or terminating a pregnancy right. In fact, proportion wise, 326 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: the women who saw treatment for psychiatric counseling after abortion 327 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: it was about the same as the rate of a 328 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: woman who had sought treatment before before and after was 329 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: pretty much the same, And some doctors say that's because 330 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: women who get abortions may be more likely to have 331 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: other factors in their life that they need counseling about. 332 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: They couldn't draw any sort of uh line between the 333 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: abortion and the counseling, whereas the proportion of women who 334 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: needed counseling after having the child was much higher compared 335 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: to the rate of women in that group who would 336 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: need a counseling before. And obviously there are all sorts 337 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: of things that can go on. You're sleepless, there's postprimed depression, 338 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: it's a lot of stress to have a newborn in 339 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: your life. So they're saying that, you know, in terms 340 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: of actual mental stress, it's possible that the actual child 341 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: might do more for you than than uh than getting here, 342 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: than terminating the pregnancy. And we're certainly not sitting here 343 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: saying that abortion is better for your mental health been 344 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: carrying a pregnancy to term um. But we're just trying 345 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: to make the point that you have to consider each 346 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: on a case by case basis. You cannot make any 347 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of blanket judgment on the mental health of all 348 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: women who become pregnant and based on what they choose 349 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: to do. Right now, Molly, we have gone through this 350 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: entire abortion podcast without mentioning the tune names probably best 351 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: that's closely associated with it, and that would be Raw 352 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: and that would be Wade, because we're trying to keep 353 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: this conversation a political and those names are so charged politically. Yeah, 354 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: if there's one. If if you had to walk down 355 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: the street and ask anyone uh to name one Supreme 356 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: Court case in the US, it would Row v. Way 357 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: would probably come up more than any other. I don't 358 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: know of a of a more controversial court case that 359 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: it happened in nineteen seventy three and established that any 360 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: legal restriction to an abortion violated the of privacy guaranteed 361 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: by the Fourteenth Amendment. So that established that the decision 362 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: to perform an abortion was up to a woman and 363 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: her doctor and there should be no government interference. But 364 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: the reason we bring Roe v. Wade up, which deserves 365 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: a podcast all its own, is um just to talk 366 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about the history of abortion and its 367 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: legality through time. And you know, you'll always find people 368 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: who say that, you know, even from the ancient days, 369 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: people were finding herbs and mixtures that they could use 370 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: to uh induced an abortion. They might beat themselves violently 371 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: in the abdominal region. And in fact, some of the 372 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: first laws that criminalized abortion were meant to protect women 373 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: from doing this rather than to protect a fetus from termination, 374 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: because too may were dying from taking poisons to bring 375 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: on an abortion. And one thing that we should bring up, 376 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: and in terms of statistics, in the United States before 377 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, an estimated one point two million abortions 378 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: were taking place in back alleys and in you know, 379 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: hidden clinics and things like that, and today or even 380 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: in some real clinics because you know, money, money can 381 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: open a lot of doors. So you know, there were 382 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: some doctors who are performing abortions legal just because someone 383 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: could pay. And speaking of money, I think that one 384 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting findings that you reveal in 385 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: your article on abortion, Molly is that doctors did have 386 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: economic motivations for advocating against abortion because they lost a 387 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: significant amount of income to midwives and private people who 388 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: would perform abortions, and as a result, the American Medical 389 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: Association served as one of the main legal lobbies against 390 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: abortions legalizing abortion. That was really interesting finding I found 391 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: in a book, and of course, as always, will put 392 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: all our sources up on our blog. UM, but right now, 393 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: abortion is a legal procedure and you know, its status 394 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: of remaining so is up to the political debate that 395 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: we're not going to touch right now. But we hope 396 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: that in sort of just talking about the procedure behind 397 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: the politics, that you understand this procedure a little bit 398 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: more more. Um. You know, like we said, one in 399 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: three women have had an abortion or we'll have an abortion. 400 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: So we know there are listeners out there who probably 401 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: have UM. As always, you can share our stories or 402 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: you cannot share your stories. This is obviously a touchy subjects. 403 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Some people don't want to talk about it. Some people 404 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: are eager to shout up from the rooftops, like with 405 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: these blogs. Um, and sometimes that can be helpful because, 406 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: as we said, when you google it, there's not a 407 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: lot that comes up because it is so to have taboo, 408 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: so political, and I think that both sides of the 409 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: political argument would benefit from a clear, more honest understanding 410 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: of an abortion procedure. We all need to be educated 411 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: about it because, once again, Molly, it is one of 412 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: the most common surgical procedures that women undergo in the 413 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: United States exactly. So, UM, we welcome your comments. The 414 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: email addresses mom Stuff at how stuff works dot com. 415 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see if the comments turn 416 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: more political than we allowed the podcast to be. Maybe 417 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: you guys will pick up on places where we failed 418 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: in our ability to be a political Let us know 419 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: about that, and in the meantime, let us read some emails. Well, 420 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: I have an email here from Megan and this is 421 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: in response to our podcast on why women tend to 422 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: be colder than men, and she writes, I just transferred 423 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: to a cubicle workspace, and for whatever reason, I can't 424 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: always anticipate my temperature. My tips number one layers, especially cardigans, 425 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: because they're so easy to adjust on button up and 426 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: down sleeves, take on an off, et cetera. Two scarves. 427 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: These deserve their own mention, mostly because they make a 428 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: huge difference if you haven't layered enough. Number three fingerless gloves, Megan, 429 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: you must be in a cold office if you are 430 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: advocating fingerless gloves. Um. She says that they are a lifesaver. 431 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: And then for of course warm liquids, coffee, tea, cocoa, 432 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: even water. Megan. I'm just imagining you, you know, like 433 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: huddled huddled over your laptop with fingerless gloves and just 434 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: a couple of hot water. Megan, I have been there too. 435 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: Don't let christ and Kristen put this down. Just that 436 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: must be really cold office. But she says, on the 437 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: plus side, it's almost March, which means springs come and 438 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 1: well except for office like ours, who turned the air 439 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: a c way up in the summer, which is cold. 440 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: But then we just the sunny spots would just go outside, Molly, 441 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: we try. I have another email from the same podcast 442 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: about women running colder than men, and this is from Kristen. 443 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: She writes, I noticed that when I've been lifting weights 444 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: a lot i eat gain muscle, that I am far 445 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: less cold in office environments. And if i'd work out 446 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: in the morning. My metabolism is up, which seems to 447 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: keep me warmer. Along those lines, don't go hours and 448 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: hours without eating, otherwise your metabolism drops and you may 449 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: feel cold. Finally, you said that for people who with 450 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: seriously cold hands, their hands got from white to blue. 451 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: Is this something that affects white people more than other 452 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: racists or are you just speaking from your own experience? 453 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: And this was a really good call out because ray 454 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: knows does affect people of all races equally according to 455 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: the research has been done so far, which is kind 456 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: of limited, but yes, it can affect people of all racists. 457 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: So when I said white to blue, that was just 458 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: what I had seen, but it maybe other colors. 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