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Speaker 6: back home in New York City. Yes, very rare occasion

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Speaker 6: these days for sure, So dope episode that we've actually

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Speaker 6: been in communication. I've been in communication with you for

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Speaker 6: a while. Rich climbing. If you follow the boardroom. He

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we arewn the Brooklyn Aces, Gotham Football Club, Gotham

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Speaker 8: Football Club, keep going, Philly Union, Philly Union, you.

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Speaker 8: I think how our relationships started was just like I

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Speaker 6: Where does your career start, and where does your passion

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Speaker 8: It was to help the music department on this show,

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Speaker 6: So you were with rock Nation from the music side,

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Speaker 6: You said that you always wanted to be I'm paraphrasing,

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm I'm learning as I go, period. So it's like,

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Speaker 8: But every meeting I was like, I'm watching it like

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Speaker 8: And as I did that, as I got around more

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of how I do.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I watch you guys, and I watch all

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Speaker 5: So, okay, let's talk about the boardroom.

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Speaker 6: Right, boardroom, it's a company that you guys started, you

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Speaker 6: that you wanted to start and getting that up and runner?

442
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, so when I kept when I ultimately started

443
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Speaker 8: my own business with Kevin, it was investing and it

444
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 8: was managing his business and managing his Nike business and

445
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Speaker 8: helping him build out his foundation and everything that he's

446
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,919
Speaker 8: doing in PG County. And it was like building that

447
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 8: family office at thirty five Ventures, and we had a

448
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Speaker 8: lot of deal flow and a lot of opportunity, and

449
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 8: we were, you know, working on TV and film projects,

450
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Speaker 8: and what I realized was that I needed a way

451
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Speaker 8: to storytell around what we were doing.

452
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Speaker 3: First.

453
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Speaker 8: That was my first thing was like, you need we're

454
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Speaker 8: in a climate now through social media that had become

455
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 8: so present in everyone's life at the time, and the

456
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Speaker 8: need to be able to storytell and position what you

457
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Speaker 8: were doing in your business as much as just doing it.

458
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Speaker 3: This is twenty sixteen. Yeah, okay, got you.

459
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Speaker 4: So I'm thinking in terms of KD thirty five Ventures,

460
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 4: this is like he's with the Warriors, or he's about

461
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 4: to go to the Warriors now.

462
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Speaker 8: So when I left, when when we went, when he

463
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Speaker 8: went to the Warriors, that's around the time we start

464
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Speaker 8: our own business, and that's sixteen to eighteen. Was building

465
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Speaker 8: out that family office of thirty five Ventures and establishing

466
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Speaker 8: that side of Kevin's business. And then in twenty eighteen,

467
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Speaker 8: what I realized was that we didn't have that vehicle

468
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Speaker 8: to really storytell around. And I knew from investing that

469
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 8: just starting a media business was going to get laughed at.

470
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 8: Like what was the point of us to try to

471
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Speaker 8: replicate a model that people in Silicon Valley were saying

472
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 8: was broken? You know, you weren't just going to invest

473
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Speaker 8: in somebody because of an audience or eyeballs or metrics.

474
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Speaker 8: You had to build a business with a purpose and

475
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Speaker 8: something different. And you know again like I'm sure you guys,

476
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Speaker 8: as you've built your business, knew the same thing, Like

477
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that model that was fifteen

478
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 8: years ago, and what you guys have done as a

479
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 8: new model that has been created. And for me, I

480
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 8: was trying to figure out what it was that made

481
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Speaker 8: Kevin and I different. If I could figure that out,

482
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Speaker 8: then I think that would allow us to start something

483
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Speaker 8: that at least would embody us.

484
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Speaker 3: And then that would have to be authentic because it's us.

485
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Speaker 8: And where that went I didn't know, And we were

486
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Speaker 8: trying to figure it out, and we were talking a

487
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Speaker 8: bit about it, and investors, i mean founders of companies

488
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Speaker 8: were really taking to us and our strategy as an

489
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Speaker 8: a strategic investor, like how we work. They were really

490
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Speaker 8: taking to our style, and I realized that the more

491
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Speaker 8: I could do work for these companies, the more we

492
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Speaker 8: were going to get great deal flow and to really

493
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Speaker 8: prove ourselves as an investor. So to have that vehicle

494
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Speaker 8: would also benefit that side of our business.

495
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Speaker 3: So I still was sitting on it.

496
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Speaker 8: And then I went to a dinner at Peter Gouber's

497
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Speaker 8: house or a lunch during NBA All Star weekend. And

498
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Speaker 8: I don't know if this happens to you guys, maybe

499
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Speaker 8: during your conference when you had five hundred thousand people.

500
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Speaker 4: In their product in estimated, where you look at yourself

501
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Speaker 4: and your life like what the fuck?

502
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Speaker 3: Like what the fuck?

503
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Speaker 8: And I'm a fan of this whole world that I

504
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Speaker 8: live in, that I work in. I'm still a fan

505
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Speaker 8: of all of it. On another level. So I'm at

506
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Speaker 8: Peter Gooper's house and pat Riley's sitting on one side

507
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Speaker 8: of me, and Jack Dorsey's on one side of me,

508
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 8: and this NBA owner, and I'm like, how the fuck

509
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 8: did I get here? This is my life's dream And

510
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 8: it was because of basketball. It's how I saw it.

511
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Speaker 8: It was because Kevin Durant believed in me and trusted

512
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Speaker 8: in me and these rooms that he was able to

513
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Speaker 8: walk into because of how great he was at the

514
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 8: game of basketball. That as a kid, if I had

515
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Speaker 8: known that the sports world looked like that, that there

516
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Speaker 8: was a way in like that, I would have been

517
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Speaker 8: like from day one. So I said, let me create

518
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Speaker 8: a brand that really represents that, that there's a world

519
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Speaker 8: around sports and entertainment where it all makes sense, where

520
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Speaker 8: people in the boardroom are wearing sweats, where everyone's different colors,

521
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Speaker 8: different genders, and even though it might not be the

522
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Speaker 8: richest people in the room, they're making a lot of

523
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Speaker 8: decisions and they're deciding what's fresh, and they're influential and

524
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 8: they can dictate where money moves. And that that was

525
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 8: what I wanted the brand to represent, where all that

526
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 8: intersected a bit, and just to become a storyteller and

527
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 8: an amplifier of other great people and other great successes,

528
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 8: and to be a voice a bit of all of

529
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 8: the action that was happening in this world and to

530
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Speaker 8: really sit there and be complimentary. And as the business

531
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Speaker 8: has grown, that's still at the core of it.

532
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Speaker 5: So it's the media.

533
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Speaker 6: So you see a lot of guys in that arodesthe like,

534
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Speaker 6: so Lebron's does spring Hill right with math? And then

535
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Speaker 6: Katie works with you and you guys have the boardroom,

536
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Speaker 6: which is essentially you produce content, right, throw vents, produce content.

537
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Speaker 6: You're shaping a narrative. As you just kind of said,

538
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Speaker 6: how important was that? Do you see this new age

539
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Speaker 6: of athletes kind of because athletes has always always complained

540
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Speaker 6: about narratives, they never got depicted correctly from reporters. They've

541
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Speaker 6: never really, you know, liked how people in the news

542
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Speaker 6: have written about them. There's always been conflicts. But now

543
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: we're seeing it day actually on the other side of

544
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Speaker 6: it and controlling the narrative in the media. So talk

545
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Speaker 6: about the dynamic that you see from the change in

546
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Speaker 6: athletes complaining about media to them actually taking control and

547
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Speaker 6: owning a piece of media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, I think it's a beautiful thing.

549
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Speaker 8: I think because in sports, as much as any part

550
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Speaker 8: of society, the media creating a storyline actually has such

551
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Speaker 8: real life implications. And in the real world now sadly

552
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Speaker 8: we're seeing it on the highest level. But this has

553
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Speaker 8: been happening in sports for a while, and I think

554
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Speaker 8: during Kevin's Free Agency. When we set up that whole

555
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 8: scene in the Hamptons, it really hit me of like, wait,

556
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Speaker 8: like you because I remember Kevin said to me once like, man,

557
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 8: the shit ain't world news or something, and I'm like, no.

558
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Speaker 3: I think it is. Bro think I think this is

559
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Speaker 3: world news. Like this is what it's come to.

560
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Speaker 8: So, you know, the idea that an athlete not just

561
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Speaker 8: can create and command their own narrative, but can build

562
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Speaker 8: an entire ecosystem where an entire narrative can be created

563
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Speaker 8: and an athlete can drive it. But an athlete can

564
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Speaker 8: find other creators and other athletes and other partners and

565
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Speaker 8: other stories that they want to tell and that they

566
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Speaker 8: can control.

567
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Speaker 3: But I look at it as a bigger thing than that.

568
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Speaker 8: Because I look at these athletes now, it's just some

569
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Speaker 8: of the most sound young entrepreneurs. Not everybody, but a

570
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Speaker 8: lot of athletes are exposed early to the conversation of business,

571
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Speaker 8: you know, like my daughter's I had a fourteen year

572
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Speaker 8: old and a ten year old. If my fourteen year

573
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Speaker 8: old was an incredible, potentially professional athlete, I'd be talking

574
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Speaker 8: to her about business and life right now. I'd have

575
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Speaker 8: to be preparing her for what some of these conversations

576
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Speaker 8: mean that people are having with her, and what some

577
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Speaker 8: people want from her when they talk to her. And

578
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Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, now at fourteen years old,

579
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Speaker 8: she'd be like, really way ahead of the curve in

580
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 8: terms of how to approach business and life and people,

581
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Speaker 8: because that's not what you're telling your fourteen year old.

582
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 8: You're teaching them certain things. But now these kids are

583
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Speaker 8: seventeen eighteen years old and they're already thinking about things

584
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Speaker 8: that I just never thought about at that point in

585
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Speaker 8: my life or maybe even understood or had that information.

586
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 8: So I think what you're seeing is this incredible trend

587
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 8: of athlete moguls, like potential moguls, not all moguls, but

588
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 8: that's where their minds are at, and with that they

589
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 8: can control the narrative.

590
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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

591
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Speaker 4: The conversation that you have with your daughter is a

592
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Speaker 4: trust that's there obviously as a father.

593
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Speaker 3: The conversation with KD.

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Speaker 4: I'm interested because we see a lot of I mean

595
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 4: pretty much everybody has an agent, but really do we

596
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 4: see clients create businesses with their agent? So what was

597
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 4: that relationship like with for him to say, you know what,

598
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: this is something I want to do with you. How

599
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: long did it take for you to build that rapport

600
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Speaker 4: and to get to the point where it's like, yeah,

601
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Speaker 4: this is not my agent, this is also my business partner.

602
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess just.

603
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Speaker 8: In business time four years, two thousand and twelve to

604
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 8: around two thousand and fifteen, actually, so three years. But

605
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 8: I had met Kevin his rookie year through La who

606
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 8: I was managing at the time, and they're both from

607
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Speaker 8: the DMV, So I think it was this level of

608
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 8: trust in our relationship that we had had, But it

609
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 8: was also a bit of the climate of, you know,

610
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Speaker 8: of the business, like what Lebron had started to build

611
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 8: and create was becoming in a lot of ways like

612
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Speaker 8: the North Star, you know. And then what I think

613
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 8: Kevin and I both grew up around watching like these

614
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 8: hip hop labels of the nineties build these economies where

615
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 8: bad Boy at the center and it's vodka, magazines, parties, records, clothing,

616
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 8: and that was something that was really aspirational.

617
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Speaker 3: I think that was something I mean.

618
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Speaker 8: That was at the core of a lot of that

619
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Speaker 8: era of athletes thinking about their business. And then you know,

620
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 8: in a lot of ways being able to say, all right,

621
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 8: well I can control all of this, Like, I sit

622
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 8: at the center of this economy and there's ways to

623
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 8: build business all around it. And I think then the

624
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 8: natural evolution was that because of the trust we had

625
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 8: as his agent and someone that I knew for a while,

626
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 8: there was a confidence that we could do something together.

627
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, I see the pieces of it right,

628
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: Like how you just built out the ecoism you talked

629
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Speaker 4: about bad boy, what Lebron and mav and Richard Ready

630
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: have been able to do. But I even hear like

631
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: the gedo part because prior to Players Tribune there wasn't

632
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: the voice of the athlete, and so like these are

633
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Speaker 4: all the influences. Let me now create our version of

634
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: it and add some different aspects.

635
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, without question, Actually a good point because I think

636
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 8: Players Tribune was very much ahead of its time. And

637
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 8: you know, if you think about we announced Kevin's first

638
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 8: free agency twenty sixteen in the through Players Tribune and

639
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 8: we were investors at the time. Remember we were on

640
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 8: the set of a commercial with American Family Insurance and

641
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 8: it was Kevin g and JJ Watt and we were

642
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 8: talking to Jeter about free agency and he was like, look, man,

643
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 8: he's like you own a piece of Players Tribune. Why

644
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 8: would you even contemplate putting out his free agency anywhere else.

645
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Speaker 3: So, I mean it was.

646
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Speaker 8: Obvious, but it was like, of course, like you're right,

647
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 8: and you know, we were able to control it. It's

648
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 8: still to this day used as that like picture that

649
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 8: every time a team wins, they like make a little

650
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 8: meme about it. But at the time, I mean, that

651
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 8: was the exact point that we controlled it.

652
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: We told the story, we chose the photos, we.

653
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Speaker 8: Decided the timing, and that was an inspiring like moment

654
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 8: and realization. And then obviously watching what Uninterrupted and spring

655
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Speaker 8: Hill did, and I think what's happening now is that,

656
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Speaker 8: like you have to find your space and your differentiation,

657
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 8: you know, And there's going to be a lot of

658
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Speaker 8: people that are going to probably watch or already watch

659
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Speaker 8: what you guys have built. And if they try to

660
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 8: model it exactly like the two of you, it's not

661
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 8: going to work. They try to be the two of you,

662
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 8: it's not going to work. But if they take some

663
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 8: inspiration from what the two of you have done and

664
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 8: mold it into their own and show respect from where

665
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 8: they're taking the inspiration, then I think that's a beautiful thing.

666
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 6: So let's talk about the family office. That's interesting because

667
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 6: even before a lot of athletes previously this whole thirty

668
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 6: for thirty about athletes going broke right, and that was

669
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 6: kind of stereotype for a long period of time that

670
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 6: athletes get money, they still go broke. Unfortunately, there's still

671
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 6: some level of truth to that, but we're seeing that

672
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 6: starting to change, athletes getting into investing, taking their business

673
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 6: a lot more serious. So can you explain what a

674
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 6: family office is for anybody that doesn't know? And what

675
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 6: was that your idea that you pitched a KD Or

676
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 6: was that his idea that he pitched to you that

677
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 6: he wanted to set up and start to really you know,

678
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 6: invest in a variety of different things and have a

679
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 6: more structured organization when it comes to his finances.

680
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess the way we look

681
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 8: at Kevin's family office is that you know, Kevin generates

682
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 8: money from a multiple multiple places, multitude of places on court, Nike,

683
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 8: investments in public markets, investments and private equity investments and

684
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 8: venture Kevin is a very philanthropic young man with a

685
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 8: long life in front of him, and he wants to

686
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 8: do a lot for his hometown in PG County. And

687
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 8: then there's also just like the business of operating an

688
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 8: athletes life at the highest level, which is trainers and chefs.

689
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: And the amount of movement they do.

690
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 8: He doesn't have a family currently, so you know during

691
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 8: the summer he's moving and working out in different places

692
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 8: and traveling. And what we were able to do is

693
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 8: build a company around that. That's whole sole purpose was

694
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 8: building generational wealth for Kevin, building philanthropic legacy in PG County,

695
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 8: managing the people in his life that handle public stocks,

696
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 8: a handle private equity.

697
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: We do a lot of.

698
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 8: The venture and sports investing, but we've put incredible experts

699
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 8: around us. But this family office sits at the center

700
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 8: of it. And I don't think it was ever like

701
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 8: necessarily one of our ideas or the other. But when

702
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 8: we got to the Bay, well, first of all, in

703
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 8: talking about decision making and where he was going to play.

704
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 8: For Kevin, it was always going to be about basketball.

705
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 8: But for me as his agent, I needed to look

706
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 8: at what came with that. Because if he's going to

707
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 8: work as hard as he's going to work every single

708
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 8: day in the gym and every day in practice, damned

709
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 8: if I didn't work as hard and think that way

710
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 8: and show up to everything and be proactive.

711
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: So we get to the Bay. It's no joke.

712
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 8: It's the first, second, third night we're there and Steve

713
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 8: Stout says we're going to throw Kevin a birthday party

714
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 8: at Ben Harwitz's house. And Steve has always been somebody

715
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 8: who's like giving me the hey, go, you should go

716
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 8: this way or look that way. You know what I'm saying.

717
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 8: Like his style and mentoring. He's an incredible friend of

718
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 8: mine twenty plus years. But like mentoring comes in different

719
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 8: shapes and sizes. It's not like, Yo, come on man,

720
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 8: it's our Monday morning breakfast. Let me give you the game.

721
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 8: It's just like little nods or little things to consider.

722
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 8: And he was like, Yo, we're gonna throw this dinner

723
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 8: for Kevin. Hen't really tell me much more, but the

724
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 8: idea was that he was bringing people that he was meeting,

725
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 8: and he had been out there for a few years,

726
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 8: and all of a sudden, I was.

727
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: Like googling names in real time.

728
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 8: Oh shit, that's Ron Conway. They call him the Godfather

729
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 8: of Angel Investing. Well shit, well then I got to

730
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 8: know the godfather Angel investing, and it was.

731
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: That night where I left there.

732
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 8: The first people we met were those type of people,

733
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 8: and the next day I followed up on every relationship.

734
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 8: And then every time I sat down for dinner and

735
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 8: I said, you know, someone said to me, where do

736
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 8: you guys want to focus on the early stage Series A,

737
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 8: Series B, I said, do me a favor, tell me

738
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 8: what all that means.

739
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: Quick.

740
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 8: As soon as he told me what all that meant,

741
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 8: I never forgot it again. And I kept learning and

742
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 8: compounding that information, and all of a sudden, we were investing.

743
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

744
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 8: I didn't have institutional knowledge of it, but I had

745
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 8: a great instinct. I could read people. Kevin and I

746
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 8: would share ideas, share thoughts. We'd sit with founders and

747
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 8: companies that we understood it was something that was over

748
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 8: our head or something that we couldn't relate to.

749
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: It didn't matter if we were going to miss it.

750
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: We just started building it.

751
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 8: And that all of a sudden, it was like, shit,

752
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 8: this is at the core of our business right now,

753
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 8: is that we're getting great deal flow, we're respectful of

754
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 8: the process, and we're good investors once we invest.

755
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: So that was kind of how that side.

756
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 8: Of our business started, and when Boardroom started to take off,

757
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 8: and I saw all the possibilities around Boardroom. Like any

758
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 8: media business, you start seeing it works and it's hopefully limitless,

759
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 8: do conferences, products, subscription TV, filmed, But you built the

760
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 8: brand at the core in order for us to go

761
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 8: and do that and take a chance on something.

762
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: It's not like we're innovating.

763
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 8: We just built a brand for ourselves and something that

764
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 8: we hope can grow and be something that's truly respected.

765
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 8: But I had to make sure Kevin's business was tight,

766
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 8: because that's like how we got here, you know what

767
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 8: I'm saying.

768
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 3: And I wanted to make.

769
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 8: Sure it was clear that, like the respect I have

770
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 8: for that side of Kevin's business, the family office was

771
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 8: never going to take my eye off of So that's

772
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 8: kind of how we.

773
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 6: So you manage, you manage the situation, kind of you

774
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 6: overlook the family. So who all right, he has a lawyer,

775
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 6: he has a financial advisor.

776
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm on yourleisire. I'm gonna break

777
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: down this.

778
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 8: He's got this is going to be public stock portfolio managers.

779
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 8: We have somebody in the camp that works with us

780
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 8: on private equity deals, later stage investments, sports investments, and properties.

781
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 3: But my eyes around it all. I talked to Kevin

782
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: about it all.

783
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 8: We're all pretty seamless team. There's venture which my office,

784
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 8: the thirty five V office, does a lot of that work.

785
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 8: And then there's Kevin's philanthropic kind of like two sides

786
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 8: to that. His father runs Team Durant, which is his

787
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 8: AAU organization. His mother runs the Durant Family Foundation. We

788
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 8: have a standalone building in PG County called the Durant

789
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 8: Center where there's a college track program on the ground floor,

790
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 8: which is a partnership with Emerson Collective and Loreene Job

791
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 8: and then there's the Durant Family Foundation offices in there

792
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 8: as well. And then Kevin has a lifetime deal with

793
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 8: Nike and he's on his seventeenth shoe that will come

794
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 8: out next summer, so we're in sixteen right now. So

795
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 8: that all operates within that family office. And then all

796
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 8: of those people, his lawyer, his business manager that's paying

797
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 8: bills and doing a state planning and insurance and paying

798
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 8: chefs and security, they work with us as well. And

799
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 8: then we have like our private equity guy.

800
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: That's a lot that is a lot. That's a hell

801
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: of a portfolio.

802
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: I wonder, as you're building his portfolio out, is there

803
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: a vision to say, you know what, because people don't

804
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: mention KD as the next billion dollar athlete. But based

805
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: on everything that we're seeing from a business standpoint, the

806
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: trajectories right there are their strategic goals and how to

807
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: reach those goals. Is that part of the planning as well?

808
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it sucks that he's not because he should

809
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 8: be as much as anybody.

810
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: Is that what I'm saying, Because.

811
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 5: He's quiet, he's a bigue talk he's not really as.

812
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to get to the talking part too,

813
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: because yeah, you're good. Yeah.

814
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 8: No, But I think one thing that somebody made a

815
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 8: point of saying to me a few years ago that

816
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 8: stuck with me is like, at some point you got

817
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 8: to start thinking about making sure you like what you

818
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 8: own and you want what you own. Like it can't

819
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 8: just be an investing in things because you think the

820
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 8: investment's great. You should really want what it is that

821
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 8: you own. So I think for us, like that's been

822
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 8: part of the strategy. It's like, all right, you've built

823
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 8: this incredible core base where because of your hard work

824
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 8: and your gifts and your skills. You were able to

825
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 8: make an insane amount of money on the court, and

826
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 8: because you were able to have a level of relevance

827
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 8: and an incredible encore business to build a Nike business

828
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: for seventeen years.

829
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: You now have a lifetime deal.

830
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 8: So that's incredible, and you've put great people around you

831
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 8: to build your wealth upon wealth.

832
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: But you're thirty five.

833
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 8: Now you're going to retire forty years old, forty one

834
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 8: years old, thirty nine, forty three, whatever it is. He's

835
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 8: not going to play forever, So how do you maintain

836
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 8: that level of income? How are you going to make

837
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 8: fifty fixed in another job in the world besides the NBA, right,

838
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 8: and Nike is a level of cash and royalties, so

839
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 8: there's some commitment and annuity and knowing you have that,

840
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 8: but then you got to think about, like what do

841
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 8: I want to do. So he loves the idea that

842
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 8: him and I own boardroom fifty to fifty, but building

843
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 8: of businesses, it's all a variable, right, Like you don't

844
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 8: know if that's going to bring you great wealth or not.

845
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 8: But that's part of the portfolio. He's invested in sports teams,

846
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 8: which is part of the future, and he was able

847
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 8: to get in at MLS at a very low price,

848
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 8: and valuations have exploded, and we've put a lot of

849
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 8: bets in a lot of different sports properties, and post career,

850
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 8: I'm sure Kevin will take a shot at owning a

851
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 8: major sports team and so all that will add to

852
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 8: the wealth. But then it's starting to identify things that

853
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 8: we want to keep building out and things that Kevin

854
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 8: wants to own. Is it really state, is it consumer brand?

855
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 8: Is it in the QSR space? You know, you look

856
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 8: at what like Junior Bridgeman built exceptional. You guys had

857
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 8: them on the conference. You know, I think a lot

858
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 8: of these businesses that are more kind of familiar and

859
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 8: traditional are all of a sudden really attractive with the

860
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 8: idea that like the economy's fucked up, and Crypto and

861
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 8: Away and NFTs are dead, all these headlines you read

862
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 8: and just the reality of the world. So now all

863
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 8: of a sudden, things like Burger King start to seem

864
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 8: way safer.

865
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: You know, somebody's got to eat do a follow up

866
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 4: really quick, because we've heard the lifetime contract. We saw

867
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: obviously had a lifetime contract with Rebot.

868
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: We see bron got it with Night. What does that

869
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: really look like?

870
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: Is it based on the amount of percentage of royalties

871
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: from a shoe sale? Do you have to keep making

872
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 4: shoes after you're done playing or part of the mergendise?

873
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: How does that What does a lifetime contract look like?

874
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 8: Oh, I think like it's a really good question because

875
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 8: there is no like one term for a lifetime deal.

876
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 8: But I think there's the commitment to the partnership. So

877
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 8: like you can be a partner by showing up for

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Speaker 8: the brand and being a sponsor. You can be a

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Speaker 8: partner by having them put out new product and getting

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Speaker 8: paid for the new product or getting a royalty. But

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Speaker 8: in the case of Kevin, like he'll retire with twenty

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Speaker 8: plus seasons of a signature line, you know, doing nine

883
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Speaker 8: figures every year. So if you think about that in

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Speaker 8: the frame form of a business, like there's billions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: So if that's managed right.

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Speaker 8: You're getting annuities and you're getting royalties all the time.

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Speaker 8: And you know, see what they do with the phone

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Speaker 8: posit with Penny, and you know, as great as Penny was,

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Speaker 8: he doesn't have Kevin's career or Kevin's body of shoes.

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Speaker 8: So you know there's a commitment to supporting that business,

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Speaker 8: but ultimately, Nike's not going to put product out if

892
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Speaker 8: they don't think it's going to sell. So you're never

893
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Speaker 8: going to get Nike to be like, yeah, twenty five

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Speaker 8: years from now, we're going to have the KD sixty

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Speaker 8: one or whatever. It's not going to commit to that.

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Speaker 8: But I think it's the idea that they're committing to

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Speaker 8: the partnership. So you're committing to Nike for life and

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Speaker 8: they're committing to you for life.

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Speaker 6: I think it's interesting to see athletes from past error

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Speaker 6: But now he's in his second wave. He's actually more

952
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Speaker 6: relevant now than he ever was, and Nikes is fully

953
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Speaker 6: behind him again. Or Alan Iverson legendary talked about Steve

954
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Speaker 6: Stout legendary campaign and Sneakers with reboking. We just see

955
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Speaker 6: that he was named Rebok was it basketball?

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Speaker 3: He's the vice president of Shacked, the president Shack.

957
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Speaker 6: So it's just interesting to see, Like you're talking about

958
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Speaker 6: that lifelong situation where even after they're still even after

959
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Speaker 6: they're playing, still have some level of relevancy in the

960
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Speaker 6: sports world. So that relationship is still there. But my

961
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Speaker 6: question is about angel investing. So you pretty much you

962
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Speaker 6: kind of taught yourself about angel investing, right like you

963
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Speaker 6: didn't go to school for it. So we kind of

964
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Speaker 6: similar we're learning about angel investment and we made a

965
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Speaker 6: lot of angel investments in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 6: I have a two part question, how what do you

967
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Speaker 6: look for when you're investing in companies? Like what's sure

968
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Speaker 6: due diligence that you say, Okay, this is something that

969
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Speaker 6: I think is a good investment.

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Speaker 8: It's evolved, but I guess at the core of it

971
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Speaker 8: is like because we're making earlier stage investments and because

972
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Speaker 8: we're not putting in insane amounts of money. We're not

973
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Speaker 8: a private equity company, we're not a big venture capital firm.

974
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Speaker 8: Is a just whether I connect with the founder and

975
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Speaker 8: whether I can one hundred percent see this founder leading

976
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Speaker 8: a business to becoming a successful business. And I think

977
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Speaker 8: there's certain traits and certain DNA and a founder that

978
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Speaker 8: it is part of the process. So like, yes, are

979
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Speaker 8: there founders that have built companies that maybe didn't have

980
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Speaker 8: that at first Shore, But for me, I need to

981
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Speaker 8: feel that and see that and understand that vision of

982
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Speaker 8: this person can build this company. It's exactly what they

983
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Speaker 8: say it is. Number two is just like whether I

984
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Speaker 8: can explain it to the next person. Do I really

985
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Speaker 8: understand the business? So if it's a consumer brand, what's

986
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Speaker 8: this like differentiator again like we talked about that allows

987
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Speaker 8: this company to have it to own space. Clearly there's

988
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Speaker 8: a level of like institutional due diligence that needs to

989
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Speaker 8: be done. But I think at the early stage where

990
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Speaker 8: we're investing, it's got to be like do we see

991
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Speaker 8: that in their eyes?

992
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Speaker 3: Do we understand the business?

993
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Speaker 8: Do we understand the market and the way to get

994
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Speaker 8: that business to where they want to go, and can

995
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Speaker 8: I be useful and helpful? And then I've even pushed

996
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Speaker 8: how I look at that to another level now because

997
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Speaker 8: I'm building out this whole boardroom ecosystem. Whereas some of

998
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Speaker 8: these businesses, like in the form of these sports investments,

999
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Speaker 8: they make sense in our overarching business. So if I

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Speaker 8: believe in the founder of the PLLL, Paul Rabel, and

1001
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Speaker 8: I know he has it to be a rock star entrepreneur,

1002
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Speaker 8: and I believe in these sports properties that never had

1003
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Speaker 8: the same opportunity in light a day in this new world,

1004
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Speaker 8: I see the way in which the pll could be

1005
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Speaker 8: a successful league, and then can boardroom support it? Does

1006
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Speaker 8: it bring value to our platform? Yeah, you know what

1007
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Speaker 8: I'm saying. So it's all of those things for us

1008
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Speaker 8: that I look at as we've done bigger deals in

1009
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Speaker 8: private equity and as we've done bigger investments, I have

1010
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Speaker 8: allowed in that part of the process that I need

1011
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Speaker 8: to learn from, you know what I'm saying, And that's

1012
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Speaker 8: having great people to sound off of, to understand the economics,

1013
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Speaker 8: to read into the financials more.

1014
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Speaker 3: But early stage.

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Speaker 6: It's usually that you guys invested in Ring In Ring Now,

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Speaker 6: I wish Katie it was. It was one thing that

1017
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Speaker 6: he invested in that mad headlines.

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Speaker 8: Right, Postmates really are post delivery in like twenty fourteen, Yeah, fifteen.

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Speaker 5: You were involved with that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, okay, so that was like the big that's been

1021
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Speaker 6: the biggest deal so far that you got the invested.

1022
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Speaker 8: No, I mean it had a lot of notoriety because

1023
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Speaker 8: of the time twenty fourteen fifteen on demand food service

1024
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Speaker 8: was like blowing up, and when Kevin went to the Bay,

1025
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Speaker 8: Postmates took out this billboard that was like Katie delivered,

1026
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Speaker 8: and it was like just a timely moment and we

1027
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Speaker 8: did very well. But there's been other investments that has

1028
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Speaker 8: had incredible return or you know, on paper still even

1029
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Speaker 8: with the state of the economy, have incredible returns. But

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Speaker 8: you know, Postmates, I think early on was one of

1031
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Speaker 8: those ones just because of the time you're.

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Speaker 4: Building a media company, right, this is twenty nineteen, and

1033
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Speaker 4: then obviously twenty twenty happens and the.

1034
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Speaker 3: Way we do media changes.

1035
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Speaker 4: Talk about the shift in or the adjustment that you

1036
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Speaker 4: guys had to make because prior to that we'd go

1037
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Speaker 4: talking about how Katie was pretty quiet, reluctant to speak

1038
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Speaker 4: to media until he has his own platform where he

1039
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Speaker 4: could speak freely and create his own show. You have

1040
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Speaker 4: your own show out the office talk about the shift

1041
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Speaker 4: and justin that you had to do posts the pandemic.

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Speaker 8: Well, we were lucky that we weren't that big of

1043
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 8: a business. Yet it actually benefited us because my original

1044
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 8: concept for this was that we sold two seasons of

1045
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Speaker 8: a show to ESPN and did twelve episodes on ESPN

1046
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Speaker 8: called The Boardroom. And I was always planning and building

1047
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Speaker 8: a business that was going to complement it. But I

1048
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Speaker 8: was really leaning in on this ESPN relationship, and right

1049
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Speaker 8: before the pandemic, we did a boardroom panel at MIT

1050
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Speaker 8: and I was hoping to keep building off of that.

1051
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Speaker 8: When the pandemic hit, ESPN told us quickly like we're

1052
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Speaker 8: not gonna be able to pick up a season three.

1053
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Speaker 3: We understood. I mean I was tight, but we understood.

1054
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Speaker 8: But then I had that moment where I was like,

1055
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Speaker 8: you have to deal with this moment a bit of

1056
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Speaker 8: like self reflection, where I was like, let's be honest,

1057
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 8: no one's gonna give a shit if I just stop.

1058
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Speaker 8: There's no one out there, you know, like nobody's telling

1059
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 8: me to do it. Katie's not gonna tell me, like,

1060
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Speaker 8: you're not my agent anymore. If I don't do Boardroom,

1061
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Speaker 8: my wife wasn't gonna leave me. But I just like

1062
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 8: took one night to be like, is this is this

1063
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 8: what the fuck I want to do? And I was

1064
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 8: like hell yeah, like straight up, like right then, Hell yeah,

1065
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 8: this is the word boardroom.

1066
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Speaker 3: This is going to be the phrase.

1067
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Speaker 8: This is going to be the brand that's kind of

1068
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Speaker 8: going to be on my back now where I like

1069
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Speaker 8: make this like new part of my journey and I

1070
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Speaker 8: wanted to build a brand around it. And I have

1071
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Speaker 8: a hard time even saying media company.

1072
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think.

1073
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Speaker 8: For me now, it's really like a brand that we

1074
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Speaker 8: built and where it shows up and what I can

1075
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Speaker 8: do with it now.

1076
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

1077
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Speaker 8: The media side of it can power it all. The

1078
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Speaker 8: media can make everything we do bigger and louder, and

1079
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 8: I can control the narrative like you said, But I

1080
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Speaker 8: see it as a brand now that we're building, you know,

1081
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 8: And for me at that moment, I was like, all right, yes,

1082
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 8: I'm going to do this.

1083
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Speaker 3: This is exactly what I want to do.

1084
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Speaker 6: So okay, premiere Lacrosse League, right, you guys you had

1085
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 6: a street lacrosse event.

1086
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we actually went to it really a few weeks ago.

1087
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: In the ring. Yes, sir.

1088
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Speaker 6: What's your involvement with And it's very interesting because it

1089
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Speaker 6: was like street ball lacrosse. That's like the comparison I

1090
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Speaker 6: can kind of give to it.

1091
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Speaker 5: And I.

1092
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 6: Found out that it's actually been picking up a lot

1093
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 6: of steam and it's becoming very popular. How did you

1094
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 6: get involved with lacrosse and what's your involvement in the

1095
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 6: lacrosse league?

1096
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1097
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 8: I mean I don't have like a close connection to

1098
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 8: the sport of lacrosse at all, but I was able

1099
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 8: to meet Paul.

1100
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: I Love Sports.

1101
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 5: He's the head of Paul.

1102
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 8: Rabels, the founder and CEO, him and his brother, they're

1103
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 8: co founders. And I was able to learn a lot

1104
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 8: more about Paul through Joe Sai because Joe Sai is

1105
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 8: very involved in lacrosse as a sport. His whole family

1106
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 8: is and Brooklyn Nets, yes, Sir, owner of the Brooklyn Nets.

1107
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 8: So in paying attention to it and seeing and watching

1108
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 8: some of the games, I saw exactly what I needed

1109
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 8: to see, was like, here was this ravenous community. Here

1110
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 8: was this fan base that loved the sport. Here were

1111
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 8: athletes that were elite at what they did, the best

1112
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 8: in the world, and here was this founder that was

1113
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 8: not only an incredible player, but was carrying this league

1114
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 8: on its back. So from an investment standpoint, I was like,

1115
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 8: I'm in and I believe in this. But what I

1116
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 8: then started to realize in dealing with Paul was like,

1117
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 8: what would we bring to it?

1118
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: What could Bordroom bring to it?

1119
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 8: And when he told me this idea around street lacrosse,

1120
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 8: we instantly realized, like, let's make let's make it feel

1121
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 8: like the Rutger And why can't a sport of lacrosse

1122
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 8: b at the center? You know, why can't these incredible

1123
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 8: lacrosse players in like six o'clock on a Friday night

1124
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 8: in New York City and an outside playground in September

1125
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 8: turned this into a moment and have a DJ and

1126
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 8: have food trucks and create a moment. And again, if

1127
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 8: you peel it back, like was there a bigger wide no,

1128
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 8: But I'm really into creating moments and creating opportunities to

1129
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 8: bring people together, opportunities to you know, have two brands

1130
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 8: align and add incremental value for each other. I think

1131
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 8: it's like we can only grow off of each other.

1132
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 8: So it was like that feeling of like, here are

1133
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 8: some of the best athletes in the world. Un let's

1134
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 8: create a moment that's like our style. And I feel

1135
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 8: like we did that. I mean, I hope you guys

1136
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 8: had a good time. It was like a rainy night

1137
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 8: in New York, but it felt like that a little

1138
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 8: bit that.

1139
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 5: It was good interesting at the time.

1140
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's New York Fashion Week. Yeah, the timing

1141
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 3: of it was great.

1142
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: Is that the similar vision when you looked at pickable

1143
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: because even now, like I studied sports pedagog and pickable

1144
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 4: is something that I played in school, but probably nobody

1145
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 4: even knows what that is. So even a demographic that

1146
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: plays it, it doesn't look.

1147
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: Like yeah, KD.

1148
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 4: And so how did you guys decide, all right, we're

1149
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: doing pick a ball? Was the influence from other athletes.

1150
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: I know Tom Brady's involved with some other athletes that

1151
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 4: were buying teams and what's the vision for that?

1152
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 8: Well that that a lot of this shit comes out

1153
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 8: of curiosity. But for me, during the summer of twenty

1154
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 8: twenty two, when Kevin it became public that Kevin wanted

1155
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 8: to get traded. You know, that summer I was using

1156
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 8: pickleball as my stress reliever, and I was playing all

1157
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 8: the time, and doubles. Doubles, Yeah, like intense games with

1158
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 8: friends of mine and peers of mine, and like a

1159
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 8: lot of things. And I bet you guys have similar experiences,

1160
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 8: Like you're in the middle of something and all of

1161
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 8: a sudden your mind racist to, like.

1162
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 3: What's the business of this? Like what is this?

1163
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 8: I'm not just going to play this, I want to

1164
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 8: know it all. I explored it a bit. It very

1165
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 8: similar to all these other sports properties.

1166
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: We invested in.

1167
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 8: It was clear that this was a sport that was exploding,

1168
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 8: a business that was at its infancy stages, and an

1169
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 8: opportunity to invest helped shape it and mold it, and

1170
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 8: a sport that I thought could connect.

1171
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: Now. I don't know if the league's going to work.

1172
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 8: I believe in it, and I'm obviously, you know, going

1173
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 8: to support this thing all the way through. But it

1174
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 8: felt like the right investment and the right thing to

1175
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 8: explore because the sport was exploding, so I wanted to

1176
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 8: have a first hand look at like how this thing

1177
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 8: was coming to life, and then I could utilize all

1178
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 8: that content in that community to help build border more

1179
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 8: so and like create that flywheel and then owning our

1180
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 8: own franchise is fun, and then it's part of building

1181
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 8: the business. And I think what happens with Kevin when

1182
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 8: we have those combos is we were in Austin, Texas

1183
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 8: and I went to meet up with and see Texas Alabama,

1184
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 8: and I'm like, let me break this whole shit down

1185
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 8: to you, you know. And We've had so many of

1186
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 8: these moments where like I'm bringing something into his world

1187
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 8: that he never really heard of, like pickleball, right, And

1188
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 8: I'm like, this is why we're doing this shit. And

1189
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 8: Kevin is really fucking smart. And I don't think he

1190
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 8: has ever gotten credit for how smart he is, and

1191
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 8: like how much he's really quickly adapted to everything we've

1192
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 8: explored in business, whether it was venture or media or

1193
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 8: the sports investing. He hears it one time similar to me,

1194
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 8: and he really picks it up and he understood it.

1195
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 8: We went to see a bunch of other investors in

1196
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 8: the league at this like place they call the Pickleball

1197
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 8: ranch in Austin, Texas, and Kevin played a little bit

1198
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 8: and he just read the culture believed in me. We

1199
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 8: took a shot at it, and as he's learned more

1200
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 8: and more, you know, he really gets it now and

1201
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 8: sees the opportunity for the league. But again, you know,

1202
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 8: there's a mutual benefit across the board. You know, I

1203
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 8: see the value of building this league and telling the

1204
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 8: stories around the building the league on our platform, and

1205
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 8: you know, and showing up.

1206
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 5: Well, essentially, it's like handball kind of right, No, no.

1207
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 4: More, it's more tennis with play battle, but it's against

1208
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 4: a wall.

1209
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: No no, no, it's a net in between. So it's

1210
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: like ten in a sense.

1211
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 4: It's much smaller court, but like with a whiffle ball

1212
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 4: and a paddle. So it's really fun because it's not

1213
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 4: as fast as tennis, so more people can play it

1214
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 4: and you can. It's one of these games that you

1215
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: can play longer, whereas somebody who's playing tennis. If you know,

1216
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: arthritis slows you down, you're not going to move the same.

1217
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: Pickleball is a slower games.

1218
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: It's cool. It's like you like you play ping pong.

1219
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 8: I've played, yes, you know, you get in a really

1220
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 8: good game of ping pong, you sweating. You may really

1221
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 8: think that you're working out well, this is actually like

1222
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 8: you are taking a pickleball ping pong court, spreading it out.

1223
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 8: There's some tennis instincts, but if you have good hand

1224
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 8: eye coordination, you've played with like a paddle or a

1225
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 8: racket in any sport, you'll get it.

1226
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: The one with the walls is called padel or paddle.

1227
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 8: That one where it's even more of like a fast

1228
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 8: paced sport like tennis, that's somewhat like a handble.

1229
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some similarity that I'm saying. That's it.

1230
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: That's like handball kind of.

1231
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what he's just explained is like handball.

1232
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: Pickleball is like on a it's on a tennis court,

1233
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 4: but it's modified very small.

1234
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 3: You can fit four pickleball courts on one tennis score. Yeah,

1235
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: so we should play doubles.

1236
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 6: You're you're a sports guy, so you're invested in a

1237
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 6: lot of these alternative sports, right, pickleball and lacrosse. Where

1238
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 6: do you see the future of sports going, Because we

1239
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 6: see soccer is becoming football, depending on where you live

1240
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 6: in the world, is becoming very big. In America. It

1241
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 6: hasn't always been big, but now it's becoming messy coming.

1242
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 6: It's like it's picking up a lot of Volleyball is

1243
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 6: one of these sports that's been around for a long time,

1244
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 6: but that's kind of picking up some momentum. And then

1245
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 6: the lacrosse thing is interesting. Pickleball is hot right now.

1246
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 6: Baseball's dying, has been dying for years.

1247
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it had a great year. This year is great.

1248
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: The tennis is up, shortening the pitch clock. They changed

1249
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: the rooms, young stars, But I get you, but.

1250
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 6: Just in general, yeah, basketball to the moon. Football is interesting.

1251
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: Different planet, huh, different universe.

1252
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 6: Football is a fifty year playing for football because youth

1253
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 6: participation in football is drastically declining. Yes, so even though

1254
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 6: it's still number one in America, there's no international presence. Really,

1255
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 6: youth participation is declined. Like my son plays football seventh

1256
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 6: to eighth grade team. He's the only seventh grader on

1257
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 6: the team because none of the other seventh grader's parents

1258
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: will let them play. So at some point football is

1259
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 6: going to have to get a little concern. So what's

1260
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 6: your what's your thoughts on the future of sports and

1261
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 6: the ecosystem of where we're at right now?

1262
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I'm going to have a very optimistic

1263
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 8: view because it's the world I'm in and I love it,

1264
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 8: even as it relates to football. I saw that, you know,

1265
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 8: the Olympic Committee is allowed to flag football in right,

1266
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 8: and I.

1267
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: Think Global Expanse twenty twenty eight in LA twenty twenty eight.

1268
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 8: I think that's good for the sport, and I'm hoping

1269
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 8: that football finds a way to innovate, whether from the

1270
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 8: technology and equipment standpoint or something, because it's still like

1271
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 8: everybody's favorite sport in some ways. But I think for me,

1272
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 8: I I think there's this shift happening where because the

1273
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 8: media only allowed for certain sports to be able to

1274
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 8: be televised the way basketball and football and tennis when

1275
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 8: it was the majors, and golf when it was the

1276
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 8: majors in NASCAR for the big races, there was never

1277
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 8: an outlet for all these other sports. There was not

1278
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 8: enough of money or opportunity or brand or belief in

1279
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 8: any of these as businesses because they always had to

1280
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 8: compare them to the major sports. Well, now all of

1281
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 8: a sudden, a there's this premium amount experience in real

1282
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 8: life moments and fan engagement and being able to create

1283
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 8: that sense of community. So I think that gives all

1284
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 8: of these sports opportunities in the physical. Then from a

1285
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 8: media standpoint, with all of these different ways to stream

1286
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 8: content and break up rights and all the multitude of

1287
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 8: outlets that there are, all of these sports now have opportunities.

1288
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 8: You saw the NWSL, the Women's soccer League just got

1289
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 8: a big media deal CBS.

1290
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 3: And the fact that.

1291
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 8: It's one of the only live occurrences left it brings

1292
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 8: an insane amount of value to streaming services into broadcast

1293
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 8: TV or whatever's left of it.

1294
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: And there's communities.

1295
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 8: They're not the size of the NBA, but they're communities

1296
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 8: that love these sports. And then the number one reason

1297
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 8: is these are the best in the world at what

1298
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 8: they do. And I'm just like, somehow, some way, if

1299
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 8: you have the best in the world at what they do,

1300
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 8: there's has to be puzzle pieces there to create a

1301
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 8: business around it. Best female softball players in the world.

1302
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 8: I was in Chicago and August at the Athletes Unlimited

1303
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 8: event that they did for their softball league, and it's

1304
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 8: like there's no difference between those women and how hard

1305
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 8: they had to work, even harder at some points because

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 8: they have two jobs along the way to do this.

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01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 8: And I think that there's a world in which if

1308
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Speaker 8: you're the best in the world, that's you do that,

1309
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 8: there's a business there.

1310
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: So I'm bullish on all of them.

1311
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 4: So I wonder from how you're strategically laying this out.

1312
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 4: The ownership piece is very important and your own your

1313
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 4: own franchises, like you said, impickable, right, you're doing it

1314
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 4: with MLS.

1315
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Speaker 3: You had DC United.

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: I'm sure, no, Philly you And I'm sorry, I'm thinking

1317
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 4: DC because, oh Katie.

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01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: We tried that first, but they didn't want us in

1319
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: the same way that's Yo Gotti, Yeah, Yo Gotty.

1320
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Speaker 4: Yes, when he said d n V, I'm thinking him.

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: But is it to show in the portfolio? Yes, we

1322
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 4: have ownership experience. When the opportunity comes for one of

1323
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 4: the four majors to come and say, you know what,

1324
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 4: there's a franchise that we're trying to have expansion in

1325
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 4: in the city. See how perhaps to show that we've

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01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 4: had ownership, we've proven ourselves.

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Speaker 8: We want to be part of the conversation silver lining.

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 8: I think like yes, but no, it's not the reason

1329
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 8: for the investments. But it's a great added bonus that

1330
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 8: we can sit in on board meetings and understand the

1331
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 8: economics of a franchise and understand the way these franchises

1332
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 8: are built and how media deals are done. So yes,

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Speaker 8: I think there's a great knowledge base that you know,

1334
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 8: Kevin can take from this into potentially owning a professional

1335
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 8: sports team in one of the majors. But I also

1336
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 8: think there's an incredible you know, value first in the

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 8: investments we've made, and you know, you look at the MLS,

1338
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 8: like you said, this may end up being.

1339
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: One of the major leagues in the US a time.

1340
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you got anything coming up with Visa, Yeah,

1341
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 6: and little baby Mike Ruben's gonna be in attendance. What's

1342
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 6: what is that and what should people expect from that?

1343
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think I'm hoping to do as

1344
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 8: many of those type of events throughout the year. Again,

1345
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 8: I don't you know, I think our style of doing

1346
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 8: these things may not be at the scale of what

1347
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 8: you guys just did, which again I you know, I

1348
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 8: told you I commend you for it every way, like

1349
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 8: just getting there, pulling it off, having that many people

1350
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 8: in the room, the conversations, the panels you had. But

1351
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 8: I think for us, it's like we've seen these places

1352
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 8: where we can really impact so for something like that,

1353
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 8: it's going to be about curating a really small, intimate

1354
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 8: room of really influential people having a conversation on stage

1355
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 8: as if it was a night out, like truly like

1356
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 8: going to the theater, and it'll be a fireside chat

1357
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 8: that I'll moderate, and you'll feel like it's a vibe

1358
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 8: a bit more than if you were just at a conference.

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 8: And even the conference we did this past summer with CNBC,

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01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 8: which was I guess our version of a bigger conference.

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Speaker 8: I think it was a perfect blend of like the

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Speaker 8: credibility and like the institution of a major business network,

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01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 8: and then like the vibe and the people we brought.

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Speaker 3: To the room and the energy in the room.

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Speaker 8: So's it's just another of multitude things you'll see of

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Speaker 8: us taking boardroom into real.

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Speaker 6: Life as far as in person experiences. Yeah, so that's

1368
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 6: important to your vision for the company.

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Speaker 8: It's as important as anything. I really think that that's

1370
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 8: where we're at our best. I think that people really

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 8: value that. I think there's a lot to learn from

1372
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 8: connectivity and building your network and access. You know, when

1373
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 8: people ask you, and I'm sure you guys get asked this,

1374
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 8: like what would you tell a young entrepreneur, and it's like,

1375
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 8: I don't have anything to say to a young entrepreneur.

1376
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 8: And I don't mean that to be disrespectful, because all

1377
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 8: those other lines are so cliche, like build your network, man,

1378
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 8: Like I think working is good advice, And I know

1379
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 8: that sounds like boring, but you know, back in the day,

1380
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 8: I would have given a ridiculous answer, And now I'm like,

1381
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 8: I think the one missing ingredient from a lot of

1382
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 8: entrepreneurs is they don't actually want to do the work,

1383
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 8: like you really have to do the work, like there is.

1384
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 3: No skipping the step.

1385
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 8: But I think I think for for us, you know,

1386
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 8: I think I think for us, what I've realized is

1387
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 8: like my my skill set and one of the things

1388
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 8: I can do is bring people together. And if I

1389
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 8: can create those moments of connectivity in network and offer

1390
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 8: them up, then that's better than just like telling somebody like,

1391
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 8: go build your network. So I hope to have a

1392
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 8: nice mix of people in the room where it's not

1393
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 8: like just a hundred people that you may never get

1394
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 8: a chance to talk to. It's going to be a

1395
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 8: blend of people that are young and up and coming,

1396
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 8: people are successful, people that are successful that are looking for.

1397
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: Young and up and coming. When is it November night?

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Speaker 5: Can anybody come?

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 3: No? And I fucked up and posted the post of

1400
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 3: the fire today and it got yelled at.

1401
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 6: But you two can? I hope you're hopefully both here

1402
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 6: November nine. Yeah, so it's just like invite only.

1403
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know what came over me this morning.

1404
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then people were hitting me up like yo,

1405
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 8: put me down plus three and I'm like, what did.

1406
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: I do here?

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01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 4: I actually saw it? So it went and then the

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01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 4: CC Sabbathia the cover story.

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01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, right after that, ye, I quickly went, I don't know.

1410
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to me this morning, man,

1411
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: But it it is.

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Speaker 4: Because even in the conferences there's still a musical theme

1413
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 4: right that there are still musicians that are part of it.

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 4: Talk about the importance of building those two worlds what

1415
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 4: you see. Obviously you could have Michael Rubin, but you

1416
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 4: can have a little baby. Even with the conference you

1417
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: had during the summer, Travis Scott was part of it,

1418
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 4: so talk about infusing those two worlds.

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01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 8: Well, I mean I missed the music business now, which

1420
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 8: is crazy because it's like I find myself you know,

1421
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 8: I'm still Kevin's agent, but I have gotten away from

1422
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 8: being an agent and representing talent and I've really gotten

1423
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 8: more into building a brand and investing and being entrepreneurial.

1424
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 8: And you know, that's still that like pole that I

1425
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 8: love about the music industry. I think now I can

1426
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 8: kind of fulfill myself with by telling stories around some

1427
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 8: of the same things in music that I do in sports,

1428
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 8: and shedding light and some of the people and some

1429
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 8: of the partnerships and some of the companies and the

1430
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 8: labels and the music world like I have with sports,

1431
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 8: and then as we build more of these events and

1432
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 8: these moments, you know, also integrating musicians and labels and

1433
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 8: streaming services into what we're doing and starting to shed

1434
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 8: a little bit of light on that side of the

1435
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 8: music business from our vantage point. And it's not going

1436
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 8: to be the same as what hits Daily Double or

1437
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 8: you know, a BT or all hip hop.

1438
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't even know who the music platforms are.

1439
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 8: But for us, it'll be kind of always rooted in sports,

1440
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 8: but it'll be the vantage point of that what we

1441
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 8: see the music industry.

1442
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 6: So I don't watch TV, but it was interesting because

1443
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 6: I think I think it was Megan, who's the head

1444
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 6: of a sixteen Z cultural leadership point. I think she

1445
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 6: was the one that was advocating. Somebody was advocating play

1446
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 6: a show called Swagger. Yeah, and they was saying that

1447
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 6: it was like the best show arguably ever created. That's you, guys,

1448
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 6: a show right. Yeah, So now I'm interested to watch

1449
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 6: the show.

1450
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1451
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 6: I haven't watched it, but I've heard that it was exceptional.

1452
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 6: So how did that come about? And walk us through

1453
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 6: Swagger for anybody that has not been familiar with it.

1454
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're like, I don't watch TV, I don't stream E.

1455
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 8: But so this is a good example of I guess,

1456
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 8: knowing yourself and like knowing what you can bring to

1457
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 8: a situation what you can And at this time in

1458
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 8: our career, this was two thousand and seventeen, Kevin and I,

1459
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 8: in all of our conversations and all of our travels,

1460
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 8: I would hear so much about his rec center growing up.

1461
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 8: And it was almost like everything that happened in his

1462
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 8: life as a kid was happening in the backdrop of

1463
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 8: this rec center. And then it like one day I said, man,

1464
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 8: what are we going to do? Like this rec center

1465
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 8: is everything? And he was like we got to do something,

1466
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 8: and conversation like kept going and we somehow were like

1467
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 8: found this idea of Friday Night Lights.

1468
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,480
Speaker 3: Was this like cult classic.

1469
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 8: It kind of showed you what Friday night Football and

1470
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 8: like football in the State of Texas was like, and

1471
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 8: people fell in love with these characters and grew up

1472
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 8: with these characters. So there's no real true similarity, but

1473
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 8: there was something about that that stuck with us and

1474
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 8: we kept saying it, and then we kept talking about

1475
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 8: this idea for the show and it was evolving in

1476
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 8: different ways. And then Kevin and I went to Google

1477
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 8: Camp in twenty seventeen in Sicily, incredible experience in prime

1478
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 8: and Google does these like conference camps by invite only,

1479
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 8: and this one was in Sicily and it was one

1480
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 8: of those like boardroom moments for me where I was like,

1481
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 8: what the fuck am I doing here? You know, like

1482
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 8: really just pinching myself at the people that were around

1483
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 8: and the conversations that I was able to hear. And

1484
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 8: Brian Grazer was there, so we went up to him

1485
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 8: and we said, we want to do something that is

1486
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 8: like Friday Night Lights. You created or you were a

1487
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 8: part of building Friday night Lights and Kevin's got this

1488
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 8: story to tell about his rec center.

1489
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,919
Speaker 3: So we partnered with Imagine.

1490
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 8: And my point about like knowing where you're at is,

1491
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 8: you know, a lot of people wouldn't understand why I

1492
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 8: had to partner with another production company, But the reason

1493
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 8: I had to partner was because I didn't have that

1494
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 8: in structure then.

1495
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 3: I didn't have that knowledge.

1496
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 8: Then I didn't have the clout then, and Brian did

1497
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 8: and he believed in us, and we partnered with him,

1498
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 8: and he taught us so much. And Brian's company is

1499
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 8: Imagined him and Ron Howard, and then we sought out

1500
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 8: set out to get a writer and we found Reggie Blightwood,

1501
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,839
Speaker 8: who's just incredible, and we were able to sell Swagger

1502
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 8: to Apple. And season one took place during the pandemic,

1503
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 8: and we actually wrote everything in real time, masks the pandemic,

1504
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 8: the protests, and it was all in season one, but

1505
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 8: it didn't connect the same way that it has now.

1506
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 8: And Season two connected on another level. And I hear

1507
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 8: that a lot, and it's just such a special project.

1508
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 8: And I never felt as proud as I did of

1509
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 8: like being a part of something as like finishing season

1510
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 8: two and feeling like, oh my god, I played a small.

1511
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 3: Part of this.

1512
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 5: So it's about the rec center.

1513
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 8: It's loosely based on that and loosely based on Kevin's life.

1514
01:11:54,720 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 8: What it ultimately turned into was like based in.

1515
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 3: Prince George's county, Marylyn.

1516
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 8: It picks up with this AAU team and this past

1517
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 8: year they were seniors in high school. But in season

1518
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 8: one it picks up with this AAU team and the

1519
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 8: different AU coaches and the relationships and life and basketball

1520
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 8: is the backdrop.

1521
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 3: But it's this like to.

1522
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 5: Us all times of different free elements, this girls.

1523
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 6: Involved in league, girls, people getting paid under the table, yes,

1524
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 6: college coach coming all that.

1525
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 8: And then season two it's about like relationships and kids

1526
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 8: figuring out, like about loyalty and sticking with your team

1527
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 8: and sticking up for coaches and injustices and having to

1528
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 8: do all that while still maintaining this love of the game.

1529
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 8: And then if we get a season three, hopefully they'll

1530
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 8: go on to the next stage again.

1531
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 3: Season three will be on the way.

1532
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 4: Another piece of art that you put together that we

1533
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 4: are proud of being from New York, New York City.

1534
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 4: Point gods, yes, talk about that being from New York

1535
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 4: obviously loving sports, and I wonder if they're gods.

1536
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:57,839
Speaker 3: Point gods.

1537
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are a few point gods from our generation

1538
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 4: that I'm sure were Hey, why weren't we part of this?

1539
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, talk about that.

1540
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 5: Who wasn't a part of it? I think everybody was

1541
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 5: a part of it?

1542
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 3: Well it stopped, Yeah, it stopped.

1543
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 4: So was the last one we didn't get? That's the point.

1544
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, stopped. So Sebastian's not it was eighties, nineties.

1545
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 4: Sebastian's not part of it. Omar Cook, Dre Barrett is

1546
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 4: not part of it.

1547
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 8: Trinity Yeah, yeah, but Brown Khalik Brown was interviewed in it.

1548
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 8: Omar Cook was in interviewed in it, but we didn't

1549
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 8: interviewed interviewed in it, but we did not cover them.

1550
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 8: And the idea for it was that there was an

1551
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 8: era in time in the eighties and nineties where a

1552
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 8: I grew up watching them. So again, like from an

1553
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 8: authenticity standpoint, that was the story. I felt like I

1554
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 8: had a vested interest in a vested interest in number one,

1555
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 8: number two. I feel like whatever happened before, which was

1556
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 8: obviously Bob Coosey, Lenny Bs tiny Archipaul, Like, these are legends. Yeah,

1557
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 8: they inspired this era. This era went on to inspire

1558
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 8: that era. But this era we were referring to as

1559
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 8: cultural superheroes, people that I believed were direct results of

1560
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 8: hip hop and basketball coming together. And that was Kenny Smith,

1561
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 8: Mark Jackson, Kenny Anderson, God Sham God skipped to my Lou,

1562
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 8: Rod Strickland, and Stephan Marberry. And that was this eighties

1563
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 8: nineties era. And I'm I'm not sure if I'm missing

1564
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 8: anyone that may be the most proud of anything I've

1565
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 8: ever worked on that I've been, and that was because

1566
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 8: Mark Jackson was my idol growing up. Every one of

1567
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 8: these dudes was my idol, absolutely idolized in went to

1568
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,839
Speaker 8: Golden Hoops, waited out line, went everywhere to watch.

1569
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 3: These guys play. You grew up a Nicks man, grew

1570
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: up a diehard Nick fan. Yea. Mark Jackson was like

1571
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: my god as a kid.

1572
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 4: Those are the first games I ever remember was Mark Jackson,

1573
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 4: Rod Strickland, trit Tucker Yup, Ewen Troker, Willgans Yeah, of course, Scott,

1574
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 4: Kenny sky Walker.

1575
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, That's why I'm all in on Saint John's again.

1576
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 8: I mean, I've always loved Saint John St.

1577
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 5: Johns. Go to Saint John's.

1578
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 8: No, but everyone thinks I did because I go so

1579
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 8: hard for them. But I didn't go to college. I'm

1580
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 8: just like, fuck it. Unofficial booster, Yes, straight up, Patino's back.

1581
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 8: So Tino's back.

1582
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 3: I love this. I got tickets to season. I'm all in.

1583
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 8: But you know, I honestly, I didn't realize how many

1584
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 8: people actually. I think we're disappointed with some storylines or

1585
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 8: people that we left out, for sure.

1586
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 3: And I also felt like there were some people.

1587
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 8: That felt like, like, why are y'all making it?

1588
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And we wanted to make it.

1589
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: But I think what I've learned is.

1590
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 8: It that's unavoidable and that I actually did make it.

1591
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 3: Nobody else did you.

1592
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 5: What it is?

1593
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 3: I was appreciative of it, Like the skip part is dope.

1594
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 4: The Rod Strickland piece, yeah, I mean because there is

1595
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 4: no Kyrie without that piece, you know what I mean.

1596
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 4: So I think that that's important. That's a guy we

1597
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 4: feel I feel like that gets old.

1598
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 5: Look, there is no Kyrie or he played a part.

1599
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 3: Well, he told him how to play basket.

1600
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 5: His father played basketball.

1601
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 3: Though, but he showed him how to handle the rock.

1602
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 3: He gives him the credit.

1603
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 5: No, Kyrie is a strong statement to make Kyrie.

1604
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 4: He's Kyrie, He's he played a huge part, played the part,

1605
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 4: play a part in his life, A huge part in

1606
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 4: his life, A huge part yea, because his dad never

1607
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 4: went professional.

1608
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 5: No, but his dad was a hell of a ball player.

1609
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 3: Oh, but style of play that was probably it's more

1610
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 3: Rod Strickland.

1611
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 8: I will say Rod is a unique example because there's

1612
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 8: an argument, you know that a lot of them deserve

1613
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 8: their own film altogether, you know what I'm saying. So

1614
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 8: like there was a part of me that felt like,

1615
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 8: damn I Rod needed like an hour. Yeah, like his

1616
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 8: significance and the respect that people have for him and

1617
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 8: Stefan just had the film that Coody and chi K

1618
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 8: did that we were able actually to produce with them

1619
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 8: A Kid from Coney Island and then obviously like I

1620
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 8: would do a movie on Mark if you wanted. But

1621
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 8: like the idea of that was just like that era,

1622
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 8: that moment, that feeling and like the camera on sham

1623
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 8: God Dynamics in the film is the example of what

1624
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 8: like the essence.

1625
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 3: Of the film was. He's in Riverside.

1626
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, did it, and that connection between the two of them,

1627
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 8: the memories, the stories of like the shoes with the

1628
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 8: you know, with the load.

1629
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 4: You ever had those you know what people want to do.

1630
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 4: So we used to the joints that he said. I

1631
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,839
Speaker 4: just walked around with them all the time.

1632
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 9: So, all right, who's the Who's the best New York

1633
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 9: City point guard ever in history?

1634
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 3: Who's yours? I have, I know who who's yours.

1635
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to taint the conversation by saying, Man.

1636
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll be consistent with my entire life and I'll

1637
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 8: just say Mark Jackson because it's my favorite player ever.

1638
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 8: I will say though, that what I got feedback wise

1639
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 8: from people was that Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, and mar

1640
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 8: Berry were like different for sure.

1641
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 5: So my.

1642
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 6: I wasn't old enough to fully appreciate Kennyannison and Ross Strickland.

1643
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 6: But Stephan Marlberry's impact different, different, different. Everybody knew him.

1644
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 6: He's coming down shoot from half court. He had the part.

1645
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 6: You gotta realize, he actually transcended basketball. He had the

1646
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 6: part in the middle of his head. Everybody started doing

1647
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 6: that because of stuff. It was a that's a fact, Steph.

1648
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 6: I think has to be the greatest New York City

1649
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 6: point guard. And he actually had a hell of a career.

1650
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 6: It's unfortunate the later part of his career it kind

1651
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 6: of got a little derailed. But he had a second

1652
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 6: run in China. It's actually a legend.

1653
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 3: Legend.

1654
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, this is this is gonna be this

1655
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 4: is my camera zoom in here. This is gonna be

1656
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 4: a rare moment in the history of Eralisia. Well, I

1657
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 4: will one thousand percent agree with over Shan Steph Marberry

1658
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 4: to me, Wow, the greatest point guard that New York City,

1659
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 4: that scene.

1660
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 8: But I will say that, but Kenny Anderson was is

1661
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 8: incredible as well. The buzz around Kenny Anderson. That was

1662
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 8: my brother's favorite player growing up.

1663
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 6: I will say this, Sebastian Telfair is the best movie

1664
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 6: I've ever seen when it comes to sports.

1665
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 5: Through that through that's actually was.

1666
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 8: But you didn't see point guys, did you?

1667
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 3: You know? Stream?

1668
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 5: You know? Yeah?

1669
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 3: I watch TV. I watched it a few times.

1670
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 5: I have to watch No, I want to watch Joint.

1671
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 3: The only movie you've ever seen it was Who Dreams?

1672
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 3: Who Dreams? And then they stopped watching it after that.

1673
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 5: I want to see I want to see Point Guard.

1674
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 6: That's actually something that I'm very interested in seeing because

1675
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 6: I saw the day I saw the the premiere. Yeah,

1676
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 6: and I knew a lot of people that was at

1677
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 6: the premiere. I didn't get invited. But that's another story.

1678
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 6: That's different stories, different than.

1679
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 3: Me. But we wasn't all you know each other like that,

1680
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: for sure.

1681
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 6: That's right, you're right, But I will say that New

1682
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 6: York City is predicate on street ball and the best

1683
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 6: street ball player ever.

1684
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 3: That's not in histing.

1685
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 5: No it is. No, it's not. It's not it's not.

1686
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 3: That's not a debate.

1687
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 6: You can't say it's not a debate because you got

1688
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 6: guys like Pee Kirkland, Joe Hammond, you got guys who

1689
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 6: had hell of a career. But I just think that Skipped,

1690
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 6: to my lou was the greatest street ball player of

1691
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 6: all time because he's the only one that's actually successfully

1692
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 6: transitioned from street legend to NBA.

1693
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1694
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why crazy that Skip played the NBA though too.

1695
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: For a long time and it was good. It was

1696
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 3: to the finals.

1697
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 5: He was a legitimate player, Yeah, and.

1698
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: Plaided a hell of a career. Yeah, Skip, Yeah, it's

1699
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 3: pretty now he's coaching.

1700
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 5: Went to Fresno with no high school diploma.

1701
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,520
Speaker 3: Ged was on the cover of Slam.

1702
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 5: Best point Guard Ever.

1703
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 3: On the point when that's like Slam is kind of

1704
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 3: like you're.

1705
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 5: For the best point Guard. No, Slam played a major point.

1706
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 4: What I'm saying now it doesn't have the same prevalence

1707
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 4: that it did then, But like that was like making

1708
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 4: it on the.

1709
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 3: Cover of Vogue for us. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1710
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 8: There was no different than the like, yeah, that's it,

1711
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 8: you made it.

1712
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

1713
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 4: Can I ask you a question because I think you're

1714
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 4: one of the rare people that can answer this question

1715
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: and probably one of the only people who's been on

1716
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 4: any leisure that can answer this. And the time when

1717
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 4: a player requests the trade, he said that you had

1718
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 4: to play pick a ball to release him stuff.

1719
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: What is that like for you?

1720
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 4: Knowing that you're the middle man, You're the liaison that

1721
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 4: talks to the player, talks to the franchise, but also

1722
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 4: was seeking other places for that player to go.

1723
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: What does that What is it like to be in

1724
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 3: that moment? Yeah?

1725
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 8: Well, invigorating, To be honest, I think that instance was

1726
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 8: a bit different because I didn't represent anyone else, and

1727
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 8: I'm in New York. I was a lifelong Nick fan,

1728
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 8: and when Kevin wanted to play in Brooklyn, he had

1729
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 8: a vision and I always ride with whatever he wanted

1730
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 8: to do. And I totally was like shit, I die

1731
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 8: it fucking see it. And next thing I knew this

1732
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 8: like lifelong Nick fan, was a NET fan, sitting at

1733
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 8: every game in Brooklyn and loving it and consuming it

1734
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 8: and becoming close with everyone in the organization. And I

1735
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 8: felt some of that feeling that I think players feel

1736
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 8: right even though I wasn't in any way, but I

1737
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 8: felt very close to the organization. So it was tough

1738
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 8: because here was my man, my right hand man, my brother,

1739
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 8: one of my closest friends in the world, my business

1740
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 8: partner who is now going to be leaving. So it

1741
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 8: was a different emotional kind of feeling. But what overshadows

1742
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 8: that is a my job is him. I'll tell you

1743
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 8: something that Jimmy Ivan told me during that summer and

1744
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 8: he said it in Defining Ones and he's one of my,

1745
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 8: if not my greatest, like inspiration and idol, not mentor

1746
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, Like, I think that always

1747
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 8: gets confused. I don't want to and be like Jimmy's

1748
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 8: my mentor and make it think like it's more than

1749
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 8: it is. He's somebody that I'm incredibly inspired by and

1750
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 8: I have a good relationship with him, a good friendship

1751
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 8: with him.

1752
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: For a long time. He said to me, without knowing

1753
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 3: what I.

1754
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 8: Was going through, he wrote, you go with the horse

1755
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 8: that got you here, brother, That's all. He wrote something

1756
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 8: like that, like you stick with the horse that got

1757
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 8: you here, like basically saying, whatever emotions you feel and

1758
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 8: get over it.

1759
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 3: It ain't about you handle your business. And I needed that.

1760
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 8: I quickly was like, all right, I got this, and

1761
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 8: it's invigorating because I wanted to do this, just like

1762
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 8: the Hamptons was invigorating, stressful, exciting, fun, all of those things.

1763
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 3: But ultimately I wanted to do it so like it's tough.

1764
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 8: It entails a lot of navigating and a lot of

1765
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 8: relationship and a lot of like no different than any

1766
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 8: business dealing that you guys got to do for your

1767
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 8: show or anything in life.

1768
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 3: You gotta have conversations.

1769
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 8: And when you have Kevin Durant at the center of it,

1770
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 8: I can't relate to it anyone else but one of

1771
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 8: the greatest players in the history of the world, so

1772
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 8: you've got a different type of leverage to begin with.

1773
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 8: Sometimes it's a gift, sometimes it's a curse that have

1774
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 8: that type of leverage. But ultimately it's just like navigating

1775
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 8: relationships being honest, because what I won't do during those

1776
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 8: things is bullshit or placate anybody, or like try to

1777
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 8: play off with someone. I've never navigated situations by being

1778
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 8: a bullshitter or navigated situations by trying to fuck someone

1779
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 8: else over along the way, So that process takes longer

1780
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 8: sometimes because you got to be respectful and check every box.

1781
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 8: But ultimately, now he's in Phoenix, he's happy. I still

1782
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 8: have tickets in the Barclays. I'm still friends with everybody there,

1783
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 8: and everyone's relationships are good, and that to me, that

1784
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 8: means it was a job well.

1785
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:49,879
Speaker 6: Done, well rich and a pleasure. Appreciate you coming anything

1786
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 6: else that you want to let the people be aware of,

1787
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 6: or any initiative that you got coming up before we nahus.

1788
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 8: You guys took care of me and brought up everything,

1789
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 8: and I appreciate you guys, And it's been fun to

1790
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 8: be in the show challenging. I love the questions and yeah,

1791
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 8: I mean, I hope you guys are able to come

1792
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 8: and let me interview you guys.

1793
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 3: Oh man holding away and away.

1794
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 8: I love that because I'm going to dig into the

1795
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 8: business of the two of you and earn your leisure

1796
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 8: as well, because I'm truly inspired and motivated by it

1797
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 8: as well.

1798
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 3: Appreciate that.

1799
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 5: Appreciate that, brother. All right, guys, thank you guys for

1800
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 5: rock on us. We'll see you next week. Peace.

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01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 3: Peace.

1802
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,880
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a day. Imprisoned and deported, you will never return.

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