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Speaker 6: come on, everybody, wants to be an offensive lineman, right,
Speaker 6: I mean who doesn't want to be an offensive lineman?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what, certainly not Pat Elflined, because
Speaker 1: I can tell you, PAULI right now, he reminds me
Speaker 1: so much just looking at him of Jean Jean the
Speaker 1: coke machine, Gene Chilton. Right, go ahead and google that one,
Speaker 1: PAULI remember the name. Not exactly sure what the comparison is.
Speaker 1: Two big dudes who played center, I mean thick guys
Speaker 1: who played center. Very interesting.
Speaker 6: Well, I need to get personally, I need to get
Speaker 6: to the bottom of the whole cram the ball, vertical
Speaker 6: mantra and otto. I love that, Jonathan Gannon. So we
Speaker 6: got to ask the guy who's gonna be apping the
Speaker 6: ball and who loves to come off the ball like
Speaker 6: all offensive linemen do. So that is straight ahead on
Speaker 6: this edition of the Big Red Rage. Okay, here's the thing. Well,
Speaker 6: the last padded practice leading into this preseason opener against
Speaker 6: Denver Friday night at home, Gramma Calvc. When I was
Speaker 6: a little kid, she'd be making the sauce in the kitchen. Right.
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I used.
Speaker 6: To ask her, Graham, how do you know when the
Speaker 6: spaghetti sauce is ready. Yeah, you just know, you just
Speaker 6: know young and you know you just when you were
Speaker 6: at that last padded practice and we had three mini
Speaker 6: skirmishes that almost led to three brawls. Yeah, you just
Speaker 6: knew the time is right to finally hit someone in
Speaker 6: another uniform.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Paully. I don't know about you right now,
Speaker 1: but I am so jacked up for tomorrow night and
Speaker 1: what might happen tomorrow night, not not particularly who's going
Speaker 1: to play Poulli's. Curiously, I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there that really care for a lot of
Speaker 1: that stuff. For me, it's nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: who it the how it is? Literally, what kind of
Speaker 1: schemes are you going to run? Right? What kind of
Speaker 1: personnel groups are you going to run out onto the field?
Speaker 1: How many times Paul KELBC, will that quarterback actually walk
Speaker 1: up under center and take a snap? What kind of
Speaker 1: plays are you going to run? Protections that you're gonna use?
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see this because I expect to
Speaker 1: see it all tomorrow night. That's the one thing about JG.
Speaker 1: I expect to see it all.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's interesting because there are two ways to go
Speaker 6: if you're a brand new team, brand new staff with
Speaker 6: a team exactly right two ways twenty nineteen. What did
Speaker 6: we see Absolutely nothing from Cliff Kingsbury right, no way
Speaker 6: to the point where it was a detriment in that
Speaker 6: first half against the Detroit Lions. Remember is Gallos humor
Speaker 6: the week after I thought I was gonna get fired
Speaker 6: at halftime. Yes, because they kept everything under wraps to
Speaker 6: the point where they didn't get enough work in their
Speaker 6: own offense.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 6: And when they came out against Matt Patricia and that
Speaker 6: Lions team that you know, so what they wondered for
Speaker 6: the whole month, what's coming? Well, guess what. The Cardinals
Speaker 6: were their own worst enemy by keeping it under wraps
Speaker 6: and not repping it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Paully And this is the beautiful thing about what
Speaker 1: we've seen so far in training camp right now. We
Speaker 1: have seen a lot of the quarterback under center. We
Speaker 1: have seen a lot of power personnel groups. We've seen
Speaker 1: twenty two personnel, two backs, two tight ends. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not, we've actually seen that. Not a lot of it,
Speaker 1: of course, but we've seen a lot of twelve personnel,
Speaker 1: one back, two tight ends. We've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel, one back, three tight ends. We've seen those
Speaker 1: power personnel groups, and we've seen power schemes, blocking schemes
Speaker 1: being run, zone schemes, of course being run. We have
Speaker 1: seen the gamut so far. And this is what is
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. When you put a quarterback under center, Paul,
Speaker 1: everyone knows what you're gonna do. There's only two things
Speaker 1: you can really do. You can run the ball, of course,
Speaker 1: and you can act like you're going to run the
Speaker 1: ball in run down situation, first in ten second, in
Speaker 1: one to sixth and then you're gonna throw the ball
Speaker 1: using play action. The problem is can you stop it?
Speaker 1: The problem is if that offense executes very very well
Speaker 1: in terms of running a play action pass or actually
Speaker 1: running the ball, can you stop it. That's the question
Speaker 1: it always has been.
Speaker 6: And that's the other option. You show everything, And based
Speaker 6: on what we've seen in camp, they've run the spread
Speaker 6: with five wide, they've run thirteen personnel everything. So I'm
Speaker 6: guessing we're going to see a little bit of everything
Speaker 6: tomorrow night. Now ask for who we see, that's still
Speaker 6: a question mark. Although Jonathan Ganna did share with the
Speaker 6: media that he does expect Colt McCoy to get snaps.
Speaker 6: So if your starting quarterback is going, what does that
Speaker 6: mean about some of the other personnel. I said it yesterday,
Speaker 6: I'll say it again. I would not play James Connor.
Speaker 6: I think he looks regular season ready. There's too many
Speaker 6: injuries behind him already in the running back room. That's
Speaker 6: just me. Does boot A Baker really need pre season games?
Speaker 6: He ended last season with an injury. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you want to be extra cautious there to start
Speaker 6: this season once.
Speaker 1: Again, though, Polly, you know you've got a brand new
Speaker 1: scheme in a brand new system. True, Is it really
Speaker 1: gonna hurt James Connor if he gets three raps out there?
Speaker 1: Was it really gonna hurt Buddha Baker if he goes
Speaker 1: out there in the first series and actually makes three
Speaker 1: calls maybe in the second area, and goes on just
Speaker 1: wrap something very basically listen, I understand, Mike get hurt
Speaker 1: those three plays. Wolf might actually listen. Football players play
Speaker 1: the game, and so it is going to be very
Speaker 1: interesting to see which way he goes tomorrow night.
Speaker 6: Sean Payton, for what it's worth, has already told the
Speaker 6: Denver media his starters are going fifteen to eighteen snaps.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 6: Russell Wilson included. So when you look at this Broncos game,
Speaker 6: the preseason opener, if you're the head coach of the Cardinals,
Speaker 6: Jonathan Gannon, he was asked, all right, what are your
Speaker 6: goals in this debut?
Speaker 8: I want our guys go out and compete. And then
Speaker 8: really just from an organizational standpoint, like, hey, you know,
Speaker 8: does everyone understand exactly their role on game day and
Speaker 8: how their roles fit into us winning and losing games?
Speaker 8: And we have to execute those things. And I'm sure
Speaker 8: there'll be some bumps in the road, but everybody that's
Speaker 8: a part of game day impacts game day, So I
Speaker 8: think it's clearly defined for everybody.
Speaker 1: Boy, what did you make of that Paul right there
Speaker 1: where he was actually saying, because it almost sounded like
Speaker 1: he was talking about the players first, and then maybe
Speaker 1: even the coaching staff after that. Does everyone understand what
Speaker 1: your role is and what your responsibility is on game day?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 6: Very interesting, even the very top of the coaching staff.
Speaker 6: A brand new offensive coordinator calling place for the first time, Yes,
Speaker 6: brand new defensive coordinator calling a defense for the first time.
Speaker 6: You have rookies that you're seemingly going to count on,
Speaker 6: guys like Michael Wilson, who had the wherewithal to tell
Speaker 6: our Darren Urban Easycardinals dot Com that you can do
Speaker 6: great in practice, but you are measured and judged off
Speaker 6: how you perform in a game. Quote end quote. Nothing
Speaker 6: has been more true in the NFL. Yes, you are
Speaker 6: measured and judged by what you do in these games.
Speaker 6: Are you a difference maker? Are you a playmaker?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: I asked Dennis Gardek yesterday in the locker room. I
Speaker 6: said to him, I said to him, Look, what are
Speaker 6: the rookies about to find out that you already know
Speaker 6: that all the veterans already know. They said, you know
Speaker 6: what it can get. It can get pretty amped up
Speaker 6: in practice, but there's nothing like game speed. All the
Speaker 6: players figure out a different gear when it comes game time. So, yes,
Speaker 6: that's going to bring some pressure for these young guys,
Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it. In fact, the rookie head
Speaker 6: coach was asked if he feels pressure.
Speaker 8: You I got this one from one of the team doctors.
Speaker 8: I thought it was awesome. You know, people say, hey,
Speaker 8: you feel any pressure you know, and you can take
Speaker 8: that all different ways how you interpret that. But I
Speaker 8: thought he said it best pressure is of privilege, So
Speaker 8: I kind of thought that was pretty cool, and we
Speaker 8: talked to our guys about that. But no, I'll be
Speaker 8: in the moment. I'll be excited, and but I got
Speaker 8: a function on game day to give it us a
Speaker 8: chance to win. So I got a lock in and
Speaker 8: do my job.
Speaker 6: Well, what do you think his powerpole is of things
Speaker 6: he wants to see? For me, It's got to be
Speaker 6: the cornerback room, It's got to be D line.
Speaker 1: D line, definitely offensive line as well running the football.
Speaker 1: Are you having any type of success running the football?
Speaker 1: Attacking the line of scrimmage? That is going to be
Speaker 1: an integral piece to the puzzle for the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 1: on offense. That's what I'd be looking at, number one,
Speaker 1: attacking the line of scrimmage and are we capable of
Speaker 1: doing that?
Speaker 6: I'd also say getting to the quarterback. Are your edge
Speaker 6: guys winning one on one battles? Yeah? Because I'm guessing
Speaker 6: Nick Rowls isn't gonna be dialing up a lot of
Speaker 6: complicated blitz schemes. He just wants to get a sense.
Speaker 6: Can his defensive front win one on one battles. Can
Speaker 6: his Zavi and Collins truly use all that potential? You know,
Speaker 6: how ready is he to be starting outside linebacker for example?
Speaker 1: That's something I'm going to be looking at as well,
Speaker 1: because so much of that is scheme. What do the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals do schematically?
Speaker 7: Paul?
Speaker 1: How much cover three? Are they really going to play?
Speaker 1: Three deep zone four underneath rush four? Right? That's very
Speaker 1: popular or across the National Football League at this point
Speaker 1: in time. And you need raps. You need to get
Speaker 1: this stuff on tape offensively, defensively, and in transition, Paul,
Speaker 1: you need teaching tape. It's critical.
Speaker 6: Here's the other thing you can only get in a
Speaker 6: game these days in twenty twenty three. Tackling. You don't
Speaker 6: tackle to the ground in any practice during a training
Speaker 6: camp these days. So which running backs can break tackles?
Speaker 1: We're not talking about practice, man, man, we're talking about it, Gay, We're.
Speaker 6: Talking about DB's tackling in the open field. Okay, they
Speaker 6: need practice. Can they do it? Are they willing to
Speaker 6: do it? Put their nose in there?
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Speaker 6: did Hollywood Brown revealed the media as to what it
Speaker 6: might look like?
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Speaker 4: Murray looking fires right side and it's caught in the
Speaker 4: end zone a touchdown.
Speaker 6: Greg Dorche had his.
Speaker 1: Big time from Dorche and.
Speaker 4: Kylo snap to Murray, quick throw a left side, It's
Speaker 4: caught and the one into.
Speaker 3: The end zone for the touchdown is Greg dort Into.
Speaker 9: Greg Dortch's across the forty to the forty five, fifty
Speaker 9: into Tampa territory. Inside the forty five spinning his way
Speaker 9: to the forty two yard line. Greg Dorch with more
Speaker 9: energy right now than the entire Tampa defense.
Speaker 4: There's a big chunk run cast the left pot by
Speaker 4: dorts burst out of the fifty barside forty thirty five
Speaker 4: thirty cuts.
Speaker 3: Back to the rank twenty five twenty Georch Dontice being fifteen.
Speaker 1: This is the one thing that is undeniable about Greg Dorch.
Speaker 1: Every time he gets the opportunity to play. He makes place.
Speaker 6: As a players say facts, He's making place every single
Speaker 6: day at camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now he still might be the fifth or even sixth
Speaker 6: receiver on this roster. I just wonder how long before
Speaker 6: that changes, before he gets serious traction on a depth chart,
Speaker 6: because when he got opportunities last year, Ron Wolfy, Greg
Speaker 6: Dortch was a playmaker, he was a difference maker. Welcome
Speaker 6: back into the big Red Rach Paul kelvc ron Wolfly
Speaker 6: pat elf line right around the corner Cardinals center. But
Speaker 6: Greg Dortch picked up this offseason and this camp right
Speaker 6: where he left off last season, did he not?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He did, Paully, no doubt about it. That's why
Speaker 1: the personnel groups are going to be very interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: I imagine the Arizona Cardinals are going to use a
Speaker 1: lot of eleven personnel, one back, one tight end, three
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Will he be one of those three wide
Speaker 1: receivers in that? Because I see a hard road for
Speaker 1: him if in fact, he's trying to crack the twelve
Speaker 1: personnel group, which I expect to see an awful lot
Speaker 1: in rundown situation for the Arizona Cardinals. One back, two
Speaker 1: tight ends, two wide receivers. Those two wide receivers could
Speaker 1: be Mike Wilson of course, and Hollywood Brown, those two guys,
Speaker 1: and that's why it might be tough to get a
Speaker 1: lot of those reps.
Speaker 6: In the last two years, Rondelle Moore has been ahead
Speaker 6: of Greg Dortch playing the same position, so it almost
Speaker 6: went one or the other. When Rondell Moore was healthy,
Speaker 6: Greg Dortsch basically got zero reps, but Rondale Moore missed
Speaker 6: nine games last year. Yeah, gave Dorsch a lot of
Speaker 6: opportunity to make some plays and compile some stats.
Speaker 1: Yes, the best ability is availability.
Speaker 6: And to your point about tight ends, we've already heard
Speaker 6: the numbers from Kyle Vannenbosch. He did the homework, he
Speaker 6: drilled down the analytics and Drew Patzen. He comes from
Speaker 6: a Cleveland offense. It was top three and twelve personnel
Speaker 6: and number one and thirteen personnel. So there will be
Speaker 6: tight ends as soon as they get healthy. There will
Speaker 6: be tight ends out on that field. There's also going
Speaker 6: to be the same cram the ball vertical from the
Speaker 6: head coach Jonathan Gannon. You know they're gonna run it,
Speaker 6: and it's been a process, because, as zach Ertz told
Speaker 6: you in the offseason, this scheme couldn't be any more
Speaker 6: different quote unquote than the previous scheme. Here's the new
Speaker 6: offensive coreditator Drew Petscen just on the players and the
Speaker 6: learning curve.
Speaker 10: I think these guys have really embraced that challenge, certainly
Speaker 10: the language, the understanding of what we're asking them to do,
Speaker 10: the technique that goes along with that, and then in
Speaker 10: terms of the evolution of the offense I think my
Speaker 10: understanding of who we have out there has improved, so
Speaker 10: trying to start tailoring it to the guys that we think,
Speaker 10: are you better or have a little bit more ability
Speaker 10: to make plays, that's where the offense has to go.
Speaker 10: And I've certainly tried to embrace that here as we've
Speaker 10: gone through camp.
Speaker 1: See that is going to be really interesting to watch
Speaker 1: right there, Paul, because of that very thing, you got
Speaker 1: to tailor it to the talent that you actually have.
Speaker 1: You can't be dogmatic to a point where you're out there, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to go three tight ends, that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to do. But if you really don't have three
Speaker 1: tight ends, maybe you don't want to go that route
Speaker 1: as much as you may have done in Cleveland. So
Speaker 1: it's really one of these deals where listening to Drew,
Speaker 1: he's talking about getting to know the talent that he
Speaker 1: has and the players that he has and the players
Speaker 1: they can depend on more importantly, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: a better feel for where this offense is headed. That's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Tom Night in the first
Speaker 1: preseason game, in every preseason game that they play, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what they do because they're really
Speaker 1: not trying to tailor it towards the player now. They're
Speaker 1: really not doing that. They want to see. These are
Speaker 1: the schemes we want to run, and by the way,
Speaker 1: can you execute the schemes that we want to run
Speaker 1: right now? But that's very telling as well, because you
Speaker 1: see a little bit into the window of the soul
Speaker 1: of Drew Petzing.
Speaker 6: What is this saying that him and Jonathan Gannon use
Speaker 6: adapt or die? Yes, that if you're not multiple, you
Speaker 6: become predictable, and that is how you die in the NFL,
Speaker 6: because predictable offense is just way too easy to defend,
Speaker 6: especially in today's day and age of defensive coordinators, and
Speaker 6: let's face it, what did we say each of the
Speaker 6: last three years December and January adjust to the adjustment?
Speaker 6: Was there enough adjusting by the Cardinals offense the last
Speaker 6: three years?
Speaker 1: How many times have you heard me say, bully that
Speaker 1: while playing for the Cleveland Browns, Bill Belichick would just
Speaker 1: come over after you know, he drives three possessions, maybe
Speaker 1: even two possessions in the first quarter and say, okay, listen, guys,
Speaker 1: everything that we practiced all week long, forget about it,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. Honestly, Paul, he would
Speaker 1: do that, and that's the reason why he would go
Speaker 1: out in the off season and look for smart, tough,
Speaker 1: discipline football players. That's what he would do because he
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna do that. In the middle of
Speaker 1: the first quarter. He knew he was gonna come over
Speaker 1: and go, Okay, I know we practiced this all week long,
Speaker 1: forget about it. That's out the window. This is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, and he'd start greasing it up right
Speaker 1: there on the board. I mean, you've got to be
Speaker 1: able to adjust, Paul. You have to be fluid.
Speaker 6: So when an Isaiah Simmons or a Jalen Thompson tells
Speaker 6: the media that the difference with his coaching staff is
Speaker 6: they feel like they're playing free. And when I went
Speaker 6: around the locker room and talked to a few veterans
Speaker 6: about that, they share that, you know what, they're allowed
Speaker 6: to be decision makers, that there is the scheme, there
Speaker 6: are the rules, but you're able to react because you
Speaker 6: never quite know what you're going to encounter, snap to snap,
Speaker 6: drive to drive. So you're try and equip the players
Speaker 6: to not only be playmakers to it, to be thinkers
Speaker 6: out there as well, because you can't give every player
Speaker 6: every possible potential outcome on every snap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you want you want players to be free
Speaker 1: out on the field, there's no doubt about it. But
Speaker 1: remember poly they must execute their assignment. They have a
Speaker 1: job to do, and if they don't do it, you're
Speaker 1: free falling.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it can't become free lancing, is what you're saying. Right, Okay, Okay, no,
Speaker 6: I went Tom Petty, I went free falling. I get
Speaker 6: it all right, So you know what that begs for
Speaker 6: a segue right here? And here's my question because people
Speaker 6: ask me out this Cardinals offense. Okay, as I hit
Speaker 6: zoom out and I tell them, you know, what. I
Speaker 6: think they have enough playmakers. I think they have enough
Speaker 6: at receiver, especially now as Zach Pascal. They have five
Speaker 6: very different receivers. I think they have it. Definitely have
Speaker 6: enough at running back, two time Pro bowler James Conner,
Speaker 6: who looks at excellent. If they fix the offensive line,
Speaker 6: if they fix the offensive line, I think they have
Speaker 6: enough to be a threat on offense.
Speaker 1: That's going to be interesting. Paullly, the offensive line, you
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this all training camp. Right now,
Speaker 1: I do believe the offensive line, maybe the pass apart
Speaker 1: two the key that unlocks all locks for the Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals this year. And the reason being is because again,
Speaker 1: they've got to be able to run the ball. They've
Speaker 1: got to be able to protect the quarterback, especially when
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is out there playing quarterback. But if you
Speaker 1: can run the ball, that means you're also probably going
Speaker 1: to be really good at throwing the ball using play
Speaker 1: action and protecting your quarterback. If that happens, I think
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals will score points. To your point about
Speaker 1: them having enough playmakers, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 7: Right there.
Speaker 1: It's the offensive line that really holds the key, and
Speaker 1: that's why there's a couple of training camp battles the
Speaker 1: left guard position, I would say, and even center I
Speaker 1: would throw that in there.
Speaker 6: I would agree with that. I mean the known as
Speaker 6: DJ Humps and Paris Johnson Junior. Those are the bookend tackles.
Speaker 6: Will Hernandez, the right guard, has looked good in camp.
Speaker 6: In fact, he got real close to starting a brawl
Speaker 6: with Kaiser White, so you know he's regular season ready.
Speaker 6: He was finishing blocks to the echo with the whistle
Speaker 6: and he looks like he might be about three forty
Speaker 6: instead of three fitting. Yeah, I'm not going to disagree
Speaker 6: with that. But when you see the Cardinals on a
Speaker 6: single team droll eleven on eleven and Pat elf Line
Speaker 6: who's coming up right around the corner, and John Gains
Speaker 6: are switching off from guard to center, snap to snap,
Speaker 6: you realize that they're trying. They're still in big time
Speaker 6: evaluation mode. Yes, when you see at least three different
Speaker 6: left guards over the course of a practice, including Calvin
Speaker 6: Beecham recently, you realize they're trying a whole different array
Speaker 6: of formulas and how much they value positional versatility as well.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this, absolutely position versatility is huge,
Speaker 1: right there. JG talks about that all the time, especially
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. That's what he wants. He says,
Speaker 1: if you can't move, if you if you're a left
Speaker 1: tackle and you could just be a left tacker, you
Speaker 1: better be a good one. You better be a good one.
Speaker 1: Right If you're a center and that's all you can do,
Speaker 1: you better be a dog one good one right there.
Speaker 1: He wants that position versatility.
Speaker 6: Hey, you know a great way till A great way
Speaker 6: to get ready for the preseason opener tomorrow night at
Speaker 6: home against Denver seven o'clock game time. By the way,
Speaker 6: Episode sixty of the Day Pash Podcast features Cardinals new
Speaker 6: OC Drew petsing great stuff. They get into some real
Speaker 6: detail about the NFL in twenty twenty three, What scheme
Speaker 6: the Cardinals are gonna run, what to expect? Just check
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Speaker 6: Pat Elfline is next and Wolf You're intrigued by his
Speaker 6: Ohio background, I mean Ohio State All American. He's a
Speaker 6: Remmington Award winner, is a top center, He's got a
Speaker 6: national championship. Can he bring some of that to the
Speaker 6: Arizona Cardinals. That is next on the Big Red Rage
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Speaker 1: The offensive line, they're busting grapes up there coming off
Speaker 1: the ball, get some movement at the point.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: I think that's part of the process being a first
Speaker 10: year staff is trying to identify your best five and
Speaker 10: make sure they're out there, but also build that cohesiveness
Speaker 10: because communication is a huge part of the offensive line,
Speaker 10: and some of it's verval and some of it's not,
Speaker 10: and so being able to play next to someone and
Speaker 10: anticipate their reaction and their communication before it happens is important.
Speaker 10: So I think the sooner the better. But we're not
Speaker 10: going to rush it because at the end of the day,
Speaker 10: if we don't put the best five players out there,
Speaker 10: we're doing a disservice to our team.
Speaker 6: That's the OC on the O line, and it sounds
Speaker 6: like it's TBD at least that's what we're being told
Speaker 6: here at Cardinals camp. We're all on a need to
Speaker 6: know basis, including you Wolf, even after your ten years
Speaker 6: and four Pro Bowls, coming out here, you're not funny.
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Speaker 6: why I'm immediately going to outsource it to our guests.
Speaker 6: Center Pad elf line joining us here and uh, Pat,
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna ask you one question off the top.
Speaker 6: We'll get into everything else. But you're fresh off of
Speaker 6: padded practice. It's a little chippy, all right. I say,
Speaker 6: the most intense practice of Cardinals camp. How close was
Speaker 6: it to a brawl out there between the O line
Speaker 6: and D line, because you guys teetered close a few times.
Speaker 6: There were a couple of shoving matches. Guys were rooting
Speaker 6: and tooting a little bit out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're we're in the middle of training camp right now,
Speaker 7: so we'll we can attest to this that it gets intense,
Speaker 7: especially in the trenches, but you know, we're really trying
Speaker 7: to keep the team first, you know, before our individual selves.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it might get a little chippy, but you know,
Speaker 7: the guys know that that fighting is not gonna make
Speaker 7: us better at the moment, but there is you know,
Speaker 7: we're playing with an edge on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 7: which is what you want in the trenches.
Speaker 1: Speaking of an edge, I've got to start with this.
Speaker 1: Pat Pickerington, Ohio, all right, is Pickerington, Ohio edgy at all.
Speaker 1: What's it like to grow up in Pickerington.
Speaker 7: Yeah, pickering ten is a it's a good place to
Speaker 7: grow up. I got a little bit of my edge
Speaker 7: just from from my brothers and my dad. My dad
Speaker 7: a brick mason, so growing up, you know, he had
Speaker 7: us on the job site every weekend, every day whenever
Speaker 7: he needed help. So we kind of learned, you know,
Speaker 7: how to do some dirty work early and kind of
Speaker 7: set the tone. And he's still he's sixty two and
Speaker 7: that dude is still grinding, so he's he's still setting
Speaker 7: the tone and we're following his uh, you know, following
Speaker 7: his tone setting.
Speaker 1: So that is incredible right there. I did that work ethic.
Speaker 1: Did that teach you anything? And did it carry over
Speaker 1: to the game of football?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it just you know, it taught me how
Speaker 7: to get the job done and get the job done
Speaker 7: right and and literally whatever it takes until the job's done,
Speaker 7: and where you're starting at six am and you're ending
Speaker 7: at eight pm, and it rained all day and you're
Speaker 7: wet and you're tired, and you're going back the next day.
Speaker 7: So that's kind of he showed me that when I
Speaker 7: was at a young age, and still trying to keep
Speaker 7: up with.
Speaker 1: That shake his hand because I bet you it's callous.
Speaker 7: End is one giant, callous, one giant. It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: But he's he's a great dude. Yeah, he's he's awesome.
Speaker 6: So check this out. I still remember interviewing Jerry Rice
Speaker 6: a long time ago, the world's greatest receiver. His dad
Speaker 6: was a brickmason. He said he developed his hands working
Speaker 6: with his dad because his dad would drop bricks down
Speaker 6: to him, and every broken brick was money off the
Speaker 6: bottom line for the family.
Speaker 7: No doubt. Yeah, you don't want to waste any but
Speaker 7: you also can't put any bad bricks, you know, on
Speaker 7: your wall, because then he ain't gonna look good. But yeah,
Speaker 7: making mortar, sending that stuff up the scaffold, carrying bricks,
Speaker 7: tearing out concrete, all that stuff. My dad actually references
Speaker 7: Jerry Rice a lot, just his work ethic. He's like,
Speaker 7: work like Jerry. You know, he was always doing extra work,
Speaker 7: Jerry or that's what you know, always doing extra work.
Speaker 7: So he's like, you know, he'll still reference that today.
Speaker 1: Pat, what is your NFL experience? What has it been like?
Speaker 1: You're going into year seven, seven. Yeah, you're twenty nine
Speaker 1: years old. Correct.
Speaker 7: What has it been like so far? It's been a
Speaker 7: hell of a ride. It's been a ton of fun,
Speaker 7: very intense, met a bunch of my very best friends,
Speaker 7: been through a bunch of highs, a bunch of lows, injuries,
Speaker 7: came back back out there fighting. It's a hell of
Speaker 7: a time. It's awesome. I love it. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: I mean we're talking about a guy who was three
Speaker 6: times All First Team Big ten right won the Remington
Speaker 6: Trophy as the best center in college football. By the way,
Speaker 6: was there any chance you were going anywhere other than
Speaker 6: Ohio State?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: Concerning you grew up outside Columbus h.
Speaker 7: That was always my goal was to go there, but
Speaker 7: getting recruited and stuff. It kind of a few things
Speaker 7: had to align for me to actually get that scholarship.
Speaker 7: It was when coach Tressell actually resigned and we had
Speaker 7: a bunch of players that pulled out, opened up a
Speaker 7: bunch of spots, and then Luke Fickle was the interim
Speaker 7: head coach and he's a four time state champ wrestler.
Speaker 7: I was a wrestler in high school, so we had
Speaker 7: a connection there and he gave me a scholarship offer
Speaker 7: and ended up just falling into place. And then after
Speaker 7: that I played for Urban for five years. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I had a great time in college too, staying in
Speaker 7: my hometown and yeah, all that stuff. It was. It
Speaker 7: was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about the wrestling because that's fascinating
Speaker 1: to me as well. There's been a lot of football
Speaker 1: players that are also very good wrestlers. What did that
Speaker 1: teach you and how did that transfer to the game
Speaker 1: of football.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of things that transfer. It's it's
Speaker 7: a tough sport, so it I think it can help
Speaker 7: with mental resilience, the work ethic it takes. Yeah, the
Speaker 7: work ethic it takes to you know, going through those
Speaker 7: workouts and training and honestly being one on one and
Speaker 7: taking the wins, taking the losses, bouncing back, and just
Speaker 7: I think just playing other sports can help with athletic ability,
Speaker 7: just no matter what it is. You know, it may
Speaker 7: not transfer directly over to offensive line play, but I
Speaker 7: think in a good athlete, what helps offensive line play.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think it helped a lot. And it's
Speaker 7: a lot of fun, had a good time, very cool,
Speaker 7: a lot of fun, Yeah, which training is harder. Pat
Speaker 7: Elfline is our guest Cardinals Center. Because the wrestlers always
Speaker 7: say their training regiment is tougher than football, then football.
Speaker 6: Guys always squawk back.
Speaker 7: Man, It's just they're they're both different sports, both both
Speaker 7: have a they're both very well respected and tough, and
Speaker 7: there's just a little different. Each one's different.
Speaker 6: So you go mono, we mono and wrestling is that
Speaker 6: kind of akin to O line D line those drills
Speaker 6: out there? Talk about the essence of the O line
Speaker 6: D line drill in a training camp because honestly, at
Speaker 6: this point it is the highlight of camp here in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a battle. I mean it's you know, most
Speaker 7: time you're one on one with that guy and he's
Speaker 7: trying to get to the quarterback or trying to tackle
Speaker 7: the carrier and you have to prevent that or you know,
Speaker 7: take him the other way. So yeah, a lot of
Speaker 7: times you are one on one and man, it's just
Speaker 7: a battle you or him. Who's it gonna be. But
Speaker 7: the good thing is you have about sixty five bouts
Speaker 7: in a play, you know, so if you win or
Speaker 7: lose one, you gotta be ready to go right to
Speaker 7: the next one. Are not going to play in a game,
Speaker 7: so yeah, you gotta be ready to go the next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and everybody's watching too, that's what it's
Speaker 1: so you know what you're you're there. It's like we're
Speaker 1: gonna send out our warrior. You send out your warrior,
Speaker 1: and everyone else is watching you, right, I mean it.
Speaker 6: Just it's gm the head coach. They walked out.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's one of the things I absolutely love about
Speaker 1: the game of football. It is brutal. There is no
Speaker 1: denying that. Right now, okay, bat, what's your what's your
Speaker 1: weight at? Right now? Wait?
Speaker 7: It's about three oh five? Three and five?
Speaker 1: Where do you want to be? You look good? You
Speaker 1: look good? You look yeah, you want to be at
Speaker 1: three oh five. You want to be happier, lighter.
Speaker 7: Three oh five is a good operating wait for me,
Speaker 7: that's where I've been for a lot of my career.
Speaker 7: Three hundred and five. I feel like I can move
Speaker 7: well and still have some power. But yeah, I like
Speaker 7: I like that weight. That's a good way for me
Speaker 7: to perform at.
Speaker 1: Why do you think this offense is a good fit
Speaker 1: for your your skill set?
Speaker 7: Man? We just have so many weapons on this offense.
Speaker 7: We can run so many different schemes. Man, it's just
Speaker 7: it's in Drew. He's very, very smart, So you know
Speaker 7: the game plan, it'll it will adjust, you know, to
Speaker 7: attack weaknesses and highlight our players. So there's just a
Speaker 7: lot of great minds and a lot of great players
Speaker 7: on this offense.
Speaker 6: They talk about the center being the quarterback of the
Speaker 6: offensive line. What can you show in a game that
Speaker 6: you can't show in practice, Meaning I'm guessing your football
Speaker 6: IQ and your seven years of experience has to shine
Speaker 6: through to some degree once you get into a game situation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've had a few years playing here
Speaker 7: in the league. You see patterns kind of reoccurring, and
Speaker 7: it's i mean, you study so much, go through so
Speaker 7: much practice that sometimes those patterns are like ingrained in
Speaker 7: your brain and how you look at a defense when
Speaker 7: you approach the ball. So sometimes you can just things
Speaker 7: are tipped off a little quicker, but still you just
Speaker 7: you got to study and know what teams like to do,
Speaker 7: what they're trying to do, what we're trying to do,
Speaker 7: how they're going to stop us of things that go
Speaker 7: into it. But you know, with just reps over time,
Speaker 7: you just get a little more comfortable with seeing and
Speaker 7: reading defenses and rotation and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, pat power scheme or zone scheme. If you had
Speaker 1: to pick one, what do you love?
Speaker 7: I love them both, man, you like yeah, I like backblocking,
Speaker 7: I like reaching shades, I like b locking. I like man, yeah,
Speaker 7: any of them. Man.
Speaker 1: And the great thing about that is Drew pettsing in
Speaker 1: this offense. They're gonna do bolth.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, is nice. Yeah, Drew. Uh, he's he's a
Speaker 7: very smart guy. And he's definitely mixing things around and
Speaker 7: we're running different schemes and it's it's going really good.
Speaker 7: I like the way. I like where it's going.
Speaker 6: I believe something has happened in camp with the old
Speaker 6: line that we've never seen before. Wolf. Okay, okayl false.
Speaker 6: Have you ever seen the center and the guard switch
Speaker 6: position snap to snap the same drive, the same huddle.
Speaker 6: I mean, because you and John Gaines, I'm one snap
Speaker 6: on the same drive, the same possession, You're playing center,
Speaker 6: and then the next snap you're playing guard and he's
Speaker 6: playing center.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 6: That's unusual, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean, but uh, I think what Drew was
Speaker 7: saying we're trying to find the best five, you know,
Speaker 7: mixing guys around, and when you're in the NFL, especially
Speaker 7: an interior lineman usually have to be able to play
Speaker 7: all three, which I think you carry about eight offensive
Speaker 7: line on game day, so sometimes you know, the backup
Speaker 7: guard might play center and vice versa. So yeah, we're
Speaker 7: switching that around and making sure everyone can play everywhere.
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to this question. But
Speaker 1: center or guard, which do you prefer?
Speaker 7: Honestly either any way, I can help this team wherever
Speaker 7: I can help this team at is where I want
Speaker 7: to where I want to play, whether it's center or guard,
Speaker 7: just want to go out there.
Speaker 1: There's there's more responsibility at center, though, isn't it in
Speaker 1: regard to making calls correct?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there is. You got to make sure everyone's on
Speaker 7: the same page when you're playing center, and if you
Speaker 7: see and you got to alert the whole line so
Speaker 7: everyone knows. You got to be vocal, you got you
Speaker 7: definitely have to be a leader out there when you
Speaker 7: have the ball in your hand.
Speaker 6: Does you do your responsibilities change at center? Whether it's
Speaker 6: fourteen year veteran Colt McCoy or a rookie quarterback, meaning
Speaker 6: is there more on your plate if all of a
Speaker 6: sudden the rookie is in the game.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think the system is set up to where,
Speaker 7: you know, we can all operate in the system like
Speaker 7: pretty efficiently, you know. But yeah, everyone's got to be
Speaker 7: on this on their stuff. The quarterbacks got to know
Speaker 7: his stuff, center's got to know and they got to
Speaker 7: communicate out off the field in meetings and and get
Speaker 7: that all dialed in on the same page. So when
Speaker 7: you do go out there on game day, you're all
Speaker 7: speaking the same language. And that's just part of training camp,
Speaker 7: learning that, learning the language, how to communicate back and forth.
Speaker 7: But we spend a lot of time meeting and and
Speaker 7: doing walkthroughs and practice to where by the time we're
Speaker 7: playing games, it's it's like clockwork and how we communicate.
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of game day right there, do you
Speaker 1: have a game day tradition that you always do? Do
Speaker 1: you have anything how you prepare to get ready for
Speaker 1: a game? Do you have any habits on game day?
Speaker 7: I'm not too superstitious on game day, just because a
Speaker 7: lot of things can happen before the game and I
Speaker 7: don't want that to like really mess with my routine.
Speaker 7: But I do have a routine to get my body ready.
Speaker 7: You know, I say, I hit the hit the cold plunge,
Speaker 7: hit the hot tub, you know, stretch out my ankles
Speaker 7: up to my hips and you know, kind of get
Speaker 7: everything activated. And once everything feels ready, then maybe go
Speaker 7: take a few past sets, a couple of run get offs,
Speaker 7: and let's go play. But yeah, just making sure the
Speaker 7: body is ready. Mine's ready.
Speaker 1: And yeah, do you listen to any music before a game?
Speaker 1: Do you have a tradition of listening?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I listen to music. I listen to all types
Speaker 7: of stuff. Anything that just makes me feel good, doesn't
Speaker 7: have to be one type of music. So yeah, anything
Speaker 7: from country to wrap to.
Speaker 1: Rock and roll, it all covered.
Speaker 7: Got it all covered, listen into all of it.
Speaker 6: So a wolf in his in his in his earlier days,
Speaker 6: used to ride a Harley. Okay, now, Jim Alma Hunter
Speaker 6: just did a quick Google search on Pickerington, Ohio. It's
Speaker 6: known for having the Motorcycle Hall of Fame. Do you ride.
Speaker 7: I don't ride. I've ridden one time in high school.
Speaker 7: My brother had a bike. But yeah, they they've got
Speaker 7: that that motorcycle museum there. I've been there one time
Speaker 7: when I was a younger kid.
Speaker 6: So, by the way, as we come full circle on
Speaker 6: Ohio State, give us a quick word on Paris Johnson
Speaker 6: Junior and what you see from the sixth pick overall?
Speaker 6: What is his upside?
Speaker 7: The guy's a monster. He's got great energy, loves the game.
Speaker 7: He's strong, he's fast, He's what you want, and you
Speaker 7: know it's in an offensive tackle. He's a young guy,
Speaker 7: he's you know, he's he's learning every day, he's asking questions,
Speaker 7: he's eager to get better. So he's definitely, uh, he's
Speaker 7: he's a monster.
Speaker 1: Has there been anyone else in that offensive line room
Speaker 1: that has really caught your intention?
Speaker 7: Man? There's just a bunch of really good dudes in
Speaker 7: that room from top to bottom, starting with DJ is
Speaker 7: just a great leader. Kelvin Beecham's the guy who's been around,
Speaker 7: veteran guy, played a lot of football. Yeah, man, all
Speaker 7: the way down to you know, Paris the rookie, and
Speaker 7: John Gaines and everyone in between, really good people were
Speaker 7: all out there trying to get better.
Speaker 6: Well, you've got no bigger fan of the old line
Speaker 6: than Ron wolf Leet. He secretly always wanted to be
Speaker 6: an offensive lineman, forget full battle.
Speaker 1: My older brother Craig played in the NFL for twelve
Speaker 1: years and was the left guard.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so you are. Yeah, that's a guy in
Speaker 7: the family. Man. That's awesome. That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: A lot of football still to be played in the preseason,
Speaker 6: a lot to be decided in the old line. So
Speaker 6: best of luck, Pat precianks guys, thanks, Yes, there you go,
Speaker 6: Pat l Flink Cardinals offensive lineman. We continue with a
Speaker 6: big red rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 4: In the gun, third down and eight from the Arizona ten.
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill in the slot, right back of the thrown.
Speaker 4: Dulton looking over the middle, throws back of.
Speaker 6: The end zone and it's picked off.
Speaker 3: And Tonio Hamilton in the back of the end zone
Speaker 3: with the interception, he takes a knee and the Cardinals
Speaker 3: get him takeaway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tonio Hamilton, what a great break on the ball
Speaker 5: underneath and and he Dalton read his eyes and was
Speaker 5: there for the pack.
Speaker 6: Antonio Hamilton will never forget that interception, his first career
Speaker 6: NFL pick year seven. I won't forget it just being
Speaker 6: down on the sideline because he immediately went to the
Speaker 6: stands and he's looking and he's waving and he's motioning,
Speaker 6: and finally his wife came down to the rail and
Speaker 6: he gave her the ball because you remember what happened
Speaker 6: at the end of training camp where he had the
Speaker 6: tragic cooking accident and suffered near third degree burns on
Speaker 6: his feet from hot grease that fell off of the stove,
Speaker 6: and his wife was so instrumental and just getting him back,
Speaker 6: not only physically, but how much he credited her. So
Speaker 6: that was a very poignant moment last season for Antonio Hamilton.
Speaker 6: As we wrap up this edition of The Big Red
Speaker 6: Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 1: That's one of those reasons why I root for Antonio Hamilton, Paul,
Speaker 1: I really do. He's taken the long and right winding
Speaker 1: road to the National Football League and Antonio Hamilton is
Speaker 1: a guy that's been through an awful lot and yet
Speaker 1: here he is. It's interesting the Arizona Cardinals released their
Speaker 1: depth charts and Antonio Hamilton first team opposite opposite of Marco.
Speaker 6: Wilson, despite basically getting no first team reps. Yeah, during
Speaker 6: the public portion that we can view, we haven't really
Speaker 6: seen him run with the one. So I have two theories.
Speaker 6: Number one, he's a known and they've just been running
Speaker 6: Christian Matthew and Key Troll Clark with the first team
Speaker 6: to figure that out. Or number two, Key Troll Clark
Speaker 6: and Christian Matthew are so closely contested they didn't want
Speaker 6: to put one over the other, and so they elevated
Speaker 6: Antonio Hamilton to the interesting. But the day that depth
Speaker 6: chart came out, he had another pick six in practice
Speaker 6: and eleven on eleven he picked off Jeff driscoll and
Speaker 6: was just he gone and sure enough.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say this quickly, Baly, you know,
Speaker 1: first time head coach and his staff right now, that
Speaker 1: first depth chart, I'm going to read into that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read into that a little bit. You're gonna try
Speaker 1: to poke some people, I think, and maybe this is
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do right here. LJ. Collier was
Speaker 1: one of the guys. He's on the first team right
Speaker 1: there at the three down linemen that you're gonna use.
Speaker 4: L J.
Speaker 1: Collier was one of those guys. And maybe they're trying
Speaker 1: to poke or prod somebody else. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I read into a first year head coach in the depth.
Speaker 6: Yard Rashard Lawrence, who's thirty. Yeah, maybe there's my J
Speaker 6: Sanders third team. Maybe they're trying to send You're absolutely right,
Speaker 6: and it's no coincidence. I don't think you've been there
Speaker 6: and done that. But the day the depth chart came out,
Speaker 6: it was the let's just say, it was a very chippy,
Speaker 6: edgy practice. I think a lot of guys on the
Speaker 6: back into that depth chart said I better come out here,
Speaker 6: swing it. I better come out here and make a statement.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: And that cornerback room is closely, hotly contested. In fact,
Speaker 6: the defensive coordinator Nick Rollis was asked, all right, where
Speaker 6: does everything stand opposite of Marco Wilson.
Speaker 11: That corner competition is really good right now right and
Speaker 11: people are going to show when we play against Denver
Speaker 11: and throughout training camp, you know who's going to emerge
Speaker 11: and take certain roles right start and roll nickel, spot,
Speaker 11: backup role, whatever those spots are. You know, get to
Speaker 11: dime stuff like that. And I don't I want to
Speaker 11: ever say like, ah, we know what this guy is.
Speaker 11: Let's know, it's not that everybody can improve certain aspects
Speaker 11: of their game and as coaches, that's our job is
Speaker 11: to get everyone to hit their ceiling, whether they've been
Speaker 11: in the league for a long time or they're a rookie.
Speaker 6: This is where you win the job. I think you
Speaker 6: can't win the job in practice. You can lose the
Speaker 6: job in practice if you're a disaster, if you're getting
Speaker 6: consistently beat. But I think you have to win the
Speaker 6: job in a game setting, especially if you're a younger guy.
Speaker 6: You better prove it during these preseason games.
Speaker 1: See that was the magic word right there, younger guy,
Speaker 1: or words I should say, Yes, younger guy, you've got
Speaker 1: to prove it, Polly, that's what you've got to do
Speaker 1: right now. And the only way you can really do
Speaker 1: that is when the silks go on. Man, tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: the silks go on, and of course the lights are on,
Speaker 1: you step in between those white lines and it's go time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where you want to see younger guys really stake
Speaker 1: their claim on the depth chart, really stake their claim
Speaker 1: as to what kind of player they're gonna be, because
Speaker 1: practice is gonna be practice.
Speaker 7: It just is.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go one hundred percent. But now when
Speaker 1: you go live and there's live tackling and there's live
Speaker 1: blocking and you're trying to beat another man keep him
Speaker 1: from doing his job. Ah, Matt, it changes everything. And
Speaker 1: that's what these guys are gonna be watching tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Kelvic Consulting has come up with two slogans for this season.
Speaker 6: Number one on twenty twenty three dip for a twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four rip. Okay, that's one of them, and then
Speaker 6: there's how you get there. I like that, which is
Speaker 6: the second one. No allegiances. Bill Belichick has no days off.
Speaker 6: I think it's no allegiances in one position group we
Speaker 6: haven't talked a lot about, and really it's my fault.
Speaker 6: But if you look at inside linebacker kay Zer White,
Speaker 6: he's the man, he's your MIC. He knows the defense. Okay,
Speaker 6: But then after that you got Chris Barnes and Josh Woods.
Speaker 6: Josh Woods is on this team, I think for special
Speaker 6: teams alone, Lions captain in that category a year ago.
Speaker 6: But after that, a Zeke Turner versus a draft pick
Speaker 6: like Owen Papo Yes or even the undrafted ASU kid
Speaker 6: Kyle Soley, who I know has really impressed so far.
Speaker 6: Three time ASU team captain. He's fared. Well, you know,
Speaker 6: there are certain position groups where we might get some surprises.
Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting, Bally, because I see all six
Speaker 1: of those guys somehow, some white being on this team.
Speaker 6: Wow, special teams.
Speaker 1: Special teams are because of the special teams I do
Speaker 1: and the practice squad. The practice squad, Paul, I think
Speaker 1: that's also something that we've got to keep in mind
Speaker 1: as well right here. But I am really interested to
Speaker 1: see how often there is another inside linebacker inside that box.
Speaker 1: I really am, because you know, so much of the time,
Speaker 1: as we all know Jonathan Gannon when he was a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with the Philadelphia Eagles, a lot of the
Speaker 1: time they would go solid in the middle. They'd cover
Speaker 1: the center and the two guards, that's what they would do.
Speaker 1: They'd cover them with defensive linemen, and then they'd have
Speaker 1: two edges on the outside. And it's going to be
Speaker 1: Zavan of course in Gardeck the Barbarian. It's going to
Speaker 1: be those two guys, and then Kaiser White right in
Speaker 1: the middle. It's a six man box, that's what it
Speaker 1: is against eleven personnel. But when are they going to
Speaker 1: put another linebacker inside that box? Is it going to
Speaker 1: be against twelve personnel. As soon as they see two
Speaker 1: tight ends come onto the field, is that what they'll do?
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that as well.
Speaker 6: So six man box, five DB's and Nickel with the
Speaker 6: three safeties and then either a booter or a Jalen
Speaker 6: Thompson or even Isaiah Simmons could drop down into the box.
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, exactly right.
Speaker 7: Interesting.
Speaker 6: So now on offense, you spent ten years in a
Speaker 6: running back room, what do you make of the competition
Speaker 6: behind James Connor? Marlon mack By the way out for
Speaker 6: the season with a torn achilles That really stinks. He
Speaker 6: was only on the field less than a week. He
Speaker 6: really looked good too, but he's done for the season.
Speaker 6: Just what are you making? How wide open is that competition?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it's wide open behind James Connor. Of course,
Speaker 1: Keyante Ingram has not solidified that backup role yet. I
Speaker 1: love Kiante. I think there's a little something there.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm hoping that he's going to get healthy
Speaker 1: and he's going to be given the opportunity to nail
Speaker 1: that down because I really do like what I saw
Speaker 1: from Corey Clement. Very interesting to see how they're using
Speaker 1: them not just as a running back, but as a
Speaker 1: full back. Corey clement When they go twenty two personnel
Speaker 1: or twenty one personnel, which they have done two backs
Speaker 1: in the backfield, guess who's playing the full back position.
Speaker 1: It's Corey clement Now, look, Paul, as we all know
Speaker 1: right now, metaphorically speaking, he's a dumpster with ears.
Speaker 7: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: He's twenty.
Speaker 5: He's five taen too, twenty Paul, do you have any
Speaker 5: idea how thick a dude is when he's five ten
Speaker 5: two twenty and how easy he can get under Somebody
Speaker 5: just hammer him right in the chin.
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, very interesting to see Corey Clemento, and that
Speaker 1: if he ever got to five ten two thirty he
Speaker 1: could play the position.
Speaker 6: Hey, don't sleep on my poly pigskin breakout player at
Speaker 6: camp by the way, a Mari de Murcato, the TCU
Speaker 6: rookie undrafted kid. We don't know. We're high at him
Speaker 6: now all of a sudden, you were low on him. Well,
Speaker 6: are you high on him again? We'll bet, little bet.
Speaker 6: We'll see it's been a fluctuating power pole with him.
Speaker 6: We'll see if he breaks some tackles tomorrow night against
Speaker 6: the Broncos. Okay special thanks as always, Jim A. Mahro,
Speaker 6: Cody Fincher, Olie Narini. How about how bout our guest?
Speaker 6: By the way, Pat al Fine? How about that handshake?
Speaker 6: Oh my, how about those myths on that guy?
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