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Speaker 6: Here's Paul Calvic. I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready.

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Speaker 6: It's Thursday night Football Times three, an NFL doubleheader, and

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Speaker 6: this twas the night before preseason opener edition of the

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Speaker 6: are santan Ford, specifically Paul Kelvic, Ron Wolfley, and soon

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Speaker 6: to be joined by Pat Elfline Cardinals Veteran Center. Because

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Speaker 6: come on, everybody, wants to be an offensive lineman, right,

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Speaker 6: I mean who doesn't want to be an offensive lineman?

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Speaker 1: I can tell you, PAULI right now, he reminds me

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Speaker 1: PAULI remember the name. Not exactly sure what the comparison is.

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Speaker 6: Well, I need to get personally, I need to get

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Speaker 6: this edition of the Big Red Rage. Okay, here's the thing. Well,

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Speaker 6: the last padded practice leading into this preseason opener against

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Paully. I don't know about you right now,

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Speaker 1: How many times Paul KELBC, will that quarterback actually walk

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Paully And this is the beautiful thing about what

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Speaker 1: Boy, what did you make of that Paul right there

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Speaker 6: Very interesting, even the very top of the coaching staff.

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Speaker 6: A brand new offensive coordinator calling place for the first time, Yes,

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Speaker 6: You have rookies that you're seemingly going to count on,

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Speaker 6: great in practice, but you are measured and judged off

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 6: I asked Dennis Gardek yesterday in the locker room. I

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Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it. In fact, the rookie head

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Speaker 8: You I got this one from one of the team doctors.

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Speaker 6: Well, what do you think his powerpole is of things

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Speaker 1: D line, definitely offensive line as well running the football.

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Speaker 6: I'd also say getting to the quarterback. Are your edge

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Speaker 1: That's something I'm going to be looking at as well,

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Speaker 1: How much cover three? Are they really going to play?

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about practice, man, man, we're talking about it, Gay, We're.

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Speaker 6: come back this offense, what's going to look like? What

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Speaker 7: That is next.

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Speaker 6: It is a big red rage presented by Santan Ford

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Speaker 6: Greg Dorche had his.

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Speaker 1: This is the one thing that is undeniable about Greg Dorch.

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Speaker 6: In the last two years, Rondelle Moore has been ahead

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Speaker 10: I think these guys have really embraced that challenge, certainly

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Speaker 1: See that is going to be really interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: right there, Paul, because of that very thing, you got

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Speaker 6: What is this saying that him and Jonathan Gannon use

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Speaker 1: How many times have you heard me say, bully that

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Speaker 6: So when an Isaiah Simmons or a Jalen Thompson tells

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you want you want players to be free

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it can't become free lancing, is what you're saying. Right, Okay, Okay, no,

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Speaker 1: It's the offensive line that really holds the key, and

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this, absolutely position versatility is huge,

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Speaker 6: Hey, you know a great way till A great way

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Speaker 6: to get ready for the preseason opener tomorrow night at

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Speaker 6: Episode sixty of the Day Pash Podcast features Cardinals new

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Speaker 6: OC Drew petsing great stuff. They get into some real

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Speaker 6: detail about the NFL in twenty twenty three, What scheme

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Speaker 6: the Cardinals are gonna run, what to expect? Just check

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Speaker 6: your preferred podcast provider or via Twitter at pash pot.

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Speaker 6: Pat Elfline is next and Wolf You're intrigued by his

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Speaker 6: national championship. Can he bring some of that to the

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Speaker 6: Arizona Cardinals. That is next on the Big Red Rage

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Speaker 6: presented by santan Ford in Gilbert.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line, they're busting grapes up there coming off

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Speaker 1: the ball, get some movement at the point.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: I think that's part of the process being a first

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Speaker 10: year staff is trying to identify your best five and

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Speaker 10: make sure they're out there, but also build that cohesiveness

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Speaker 10: because communication is a huge part of the offensive line,

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Speaker 10: and some of it's verval and some of it's not,

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Speaker 10: and so being able to play next to someone and

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Speaker 10: anticipate their reaction and their communication before it happens is important.

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Speaker 10: So I think the sooner the better. But we're not

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Speaker 10: going to rush it because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 10: if we don't put the best five players out there,

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Speaker 10: we're doing a disservice to our team.

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Speaker 6: That's the OC on the O line, and it sounds

453
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Speaker 6: like it's TBD at least that's what we're being told

454
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Speaker 6: here at Cardinals camp. We're all on a need to

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Speaker 6: know basis, including you Wolf, even after your ten years

456
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Speaker 6: and four Pro Bowls, coming out here, you're not funny.

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Speaker 6: Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. That's

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Speaker 6: why I'm immediately going to outsource it to our guests.

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Speaker 6: Center Pad elf line joining us here and uh, Pat,

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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna ask you one question off the top.

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Speaker 6: We'll get into everything else. But you're fresh off of

462
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Speaker 6: padded practice. It's a little chippy, all right. I say,

463
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Speaker 6: the most intense practice of Cardinals camp. How close was

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Speaker 6: it to a brawl out there between the O line

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Speaker 6: and D line, because you guys teetered close a few times.

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Speaker 6: There were a couple of shoving matches. Guys were rooting

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Speaker 6: and tooting a little bit out there.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're we're in the middle of training camp right now,

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Speaker 7: so we'll we can attest to this that it gets intense,

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Speaker 7: especially in the trenches, but you know, we're really trying

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Speaker 7: to keep the team first, you know, before our individual selves.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, it might get a little chippy, but you know,

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Speaker 7: the guys know that that fighting is not gonna make

474
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Speaker 7: us better at the moment, but there is you know,

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Speaker 7: we're playing with an edge on both sides of the ball,

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Speaker 7: which is what you want in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of an edge, I've got to start with this.

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Speaker 1: Pat Pickerington, Ohio, all right, is Pickerington, Ohio edgy at all.

479
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Speaker 1: What's it like to grow up in Pickerington.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, pickering ten is a it's a good place to

481
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Speaker 7: grow up. I got a little bit of my edge

482
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Speaker 7: just from from my brothers and my dad. My dad

483
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Speaker 7: a brick mason, so growing up, you know, he had

484
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Speaker 7: us on the job site every weekend, every day whenever

485
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Speaker 7: he needed help. So we kind of learned, you know,

486
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Speaker 7: how to do some dirty work early and kind of

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Speaker 7: set the tone. And he's still he's sixty two and

488
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Speaker 7: that dude is still grinding, so he's he's still setting

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Speaker 7: the tone and we're following his uh, you know, following

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Speaker 7: his tone setting.

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Speaker 1: So that is incredible right there. I did that work ethic.

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Speaker 1: Did that teach you anything? And did it carry over

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Speaker 1: to the game of football?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it just you know, it taught me how

495
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Speaker 7: to get the job done and get the job done

496
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Speaker 7: right and and literally whatever it takes until the job's done,

497
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Speaker 7: and where you're starting at six am and you're ending

498
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Speaker 7: at eight pm, and it rained all day and you're

499
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Speaker 7: wet and you're tired, and you're going back the next day.

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Speaker 7: So that's kind of he showed me that when I

501
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Speaker 7: was at a young age, and still trying to keep

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Speaker 7: up with.

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Speaker 1: That shake his hand because I bet you it's callous.

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Speaker 7: End is one giant, callous, one giant. It's it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 7: But he's he's a great dude. Yeah, he's he's awesome.

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Speaker 6: So check this out. I still remember interviewing Jerry Rice

507
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Speaker 6: a long time ago, the world's greatest receiver. His dad

508
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Speaker 6: was a brickmason. He said he developed his hands working

509
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Speaker 6: with his dad because his dad would drop bricks down

510
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Speaker 6: to him, and every broken brick was money off the

511
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Speaker 6: bottom line for the family.

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Speaker 7: No doubt. Yeah, you don't want to waste any but

513
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Speaker 7: you also can't put any bad bricks, you know, on

514
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Speaker 7: your wall, because then he ain't gonna look good. But yeah,

515
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Speaker 7: making mortar, sending that stuff up the scaffold, carrying bricks,

516
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Speaker 7: tearing out concrete, all that stuff. My dad actually references

517
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Speaker 7: Jerry Rice a lot, just his work ethic. He's like,

518
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Speaker 7: work like Jerry. You know, he was always doing extra work,

519
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 7: Jerry or that's what you know, always doing extra work.

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Speaker 7: So he's like, you know, he'll still reference that today.

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Speaker 1: Pat, what is your NFL experience? What has it been like?

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Speaker 1: You're going into year seven, seven. Yeah, you're twenty nine

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Speaker 1: years old. Correct.

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Speaker 7: What has it been like so far? It's been a

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Speaker 7: hell of a ride. It's been a ton of fun,

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Speaker 7: very intense, met a bunch of my very best friends,

527
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Speaker 7: been through a bunch of highs, a bunch of lows, injuries,

528
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Speaker 7: came back back out there fighting. It's a hell of

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Speaker 7: a time. It's awesome. I love it. Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 6: I mean we're talking about a guy who was three

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Speaker 6: times All First Team Big ten right won the Remington

532
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Speaker 6: Trophy as the best center in college football. By the way,

533
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Speaker 6: was there any chance you were going anywhere other than

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Speaker 6: Ohio State?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 6: Concerning you grew up outside Columbus h.

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Speaker 7: That was always my goal was to go there, but

538
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Speaker 7: getting recruited and stuff. It kind of a few things

539
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Speaker 7: had to align for me to actually get that scholarship.

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Speaker 7: It was when coach Tressell actually resigned and we had

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Speaker 7: a bunch of players that pulled out, opened up a

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Speaker 7: bunch of spots, and then Luke Fickle was the interim

543
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Speaker 7: head coach and he's a four time state champ wrestler.

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Speaker 7: I was a wrestler in high school, so we had

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Speaker 7: a connection there and he gave me a scholarship offer

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Speaker 7: and ended up just falling into place. And then after

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Speaker 7: that I played for Urban for five years. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I had a great time in college too, staying in

549
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Speaker 7: my hometown and yeah, all that stuff. It was. It

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Speaker 7: was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about the wrestling because that's fascinating

552
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Speaker 1: to me as well. There's been a lot of football

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Speaker 1: players that are also very good wrestlers. What did that

554
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Speaker 1: teach you and how did that transfer to the game

555
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Speaker 1: of football.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of things that transfer. It's it's

557
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Speaker 7: a tough sport, so it I think it can help

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Speaker 7: with mental resilience, the work ethic it takes. Yeah, the

559
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Speaker 7: work ethic it takes to you know, going through those

560
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Speaker 7: workouts and training and honestly being one on one and

561
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Speaker 7: taking the wins, taking the losses, bouncing back, and just

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Speaker 7: I think just playing other sports can help with athletic ability,

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Speaker 7: just no matter what it is. You know, it may

564
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Speaker 7: not transfer directly over to offensive line play, but I

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Speaker 7: think in a good athlete, what helps offensive line play.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I think it helped a lot. And it's

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Speaker 7: a lot of fun, had a good time, very cool,

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Speaker 7: a lot of fun, Yeah, which training is harder. Pat

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Speaker 7: Elfline is our guest Cardinals Center. Because the wrestlers always

570
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Speaker 7: say their training regiment is tougher than football, then football.

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Speaker 6: Guys always squawk back.

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Speaker 7: Man, It's just they're they're both different sports, both both

573
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Speaker 7: have a they're both very well respected and tough, and

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Speaker 7: there's just a little different. Each one's different.

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Speaker 6: So you go mono, we mono and wrestling is that

576
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Speaker 6: kind of akin to O line D line those drills

577
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Speaker 6: out there? Talk about the essence of the O line

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Speaker 6: D line drill in a training camp because honestly, at

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Speaker 6: this point it is the highlight of camp here in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a battle. I mean it's you know, most

582
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Speaker 7: time you're one on one with that guy and he's

583
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Speaker 7: trying to get to the quarterback or trying to tackle

584
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Speaker 7: the carrier and you have to prevent that or you know,

585
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Speaker 7: take him the other way. So yeah, a lot of

586
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Speaker 7: times you are one on one and man, it's just

587
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Speaker 7: a battle you or him. Who's it gonna be. But

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Speaker 7: the good thing is you have about sixty five bouts

589
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Speaker 7: in a play, you know, so if you win or

590
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 7: lose one, you gotta be ready to go right to

591
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Speaker 7: the next one. Are not going to play in a game,

592
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Speaker 7: so yeah, you gotta be ready to go the next one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and everybody's watching too, that's what it's

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Speaker 1: so you know what you're you're there. It's like we're

595
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Speaker 1: gonna send out our warrior. You send out your warrior,

596
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Speaker 1: and everyone else is watching you, right, I mean it.

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Speaker 6: Just it's gm the head coach. They walked out.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's one of the things I absolutely love about

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Speaker 1: the game of football. It is brutal. There is no

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Speaker 1: denying that. Right now, okay, bat, what's your what's your

601
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Speaker 1: weight at? Right now? Wait?

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Speaker 7: It's about three oh five? Three and five?

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to be? You look good? You

604
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Speaker 1: look good? You look yeah, you want to be at

605
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Speaker 1: three oh five. You want to be happier, lighter.

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Speaker 7: Three oh five is a good operating wait for me,

607
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Speaker 7: that's where I've been for a lot of my career.

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Speaker 7: Three hundred and five. I feel like I can move

609
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Speaker 7: well and still have some power. But yeah, I like

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Speaker 7: I like that weight. That's a good way for me

611
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Speaker 7: to perform at.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think this offense is a good fit

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Speaker 1: for your your skill set?

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Speaker 7: Man? We just have so many weapons on this offense.

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Speaker 7: We can run so many different schemes. Man, it's just

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Speaker 7: it's in Drew. He's very, very smart, So you know

617
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Speaker 7: the game plan, it'll it will adjust, you know, to

618
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Speaker 7: attack weaknesses and highlight our players. So there's just a

619
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Speaker 7: lot of great minds and a lot of great players

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Speaker 7: on this offense.

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Speaker 6: They talk about the center being the quarterback of the

622
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Speaker 6: offensive line. What can you show in a game that

623
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Speaker 6: you can't show in practice, Meaning I'm guessing your football

624
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Speaker 6: IQ and your seven years of experience has to shine

625
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Speaker 6: through to some degree once you get into a game situation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've had a few years playing here

627
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Speaker 7: in the league. You see patterns kind of reoccurring, and

628
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Speaker 7: it's i mean, you study so much, go through so

629
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Speaker 7: much practice that sometimes those patterns are like ingrained in

630
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Speaker 7: your brain and how you look at a defense when

631
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Speaker 7: you approach the ball. So sometimes you can just things

632
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: are tipped off a little quicker, but still you just

633
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 7: you got to study and know what teams like to do,

634
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Speaker 7: what they're trying to do, what we're trying to do,

635
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Speaker 7: how they're going to stop us of things that go

636
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Speaker 7: into it. But you know, with just reps over time,

637
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Speaker 7: you just get a little more comfortable with seeing and

638
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 7: reading defenses and rotation and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, pat power scheme or zone scheme. If you had

640
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Speaker 1: to pick one, what do you love?

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Speaker 7: I love them both, man, you like yeah, I like backblocking,

642
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Speaker 7: I like reaching shades, I like b locking. I like man, yeah,

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Speaker 7: any of them. Man.

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about that is Drew pettsing in

645
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Speaker 1: this offense. They're gonna do bolth.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, is nice. Yeah, Drew. Uh, he's he's a

647
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Speaker 7: very smart guy. And he's definitely mixing things around and

648
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 7: we're running different schemes and it's it's going really good.

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Speaker 7: I like the way. I like where it's going.

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Speaker 6: I believe something has happened in camp with the old

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Speaker 6: line that we've never seen before. Wolf. Okay, okayl false.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever seen the center and the guard switch

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Speaker 6: position snap to snap the same drive, the same huddle.

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Speaker 6: I mean, because you and John Gaines, I'm one snap

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Speaker 6: on the same drive, the same possession, You're playing center,

656
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Speaker 6: and then the next snap you're playing guard and he's

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Speaker 6: playing center.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 6: That's unusual, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean, but uh, I think what Drew was

661
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Speaker 7: saying we're trying to find the best five, you know,

662
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Speaker 7: mixing guys around, and when you're in the NFL, especially

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Speaker 7: an interior lineman usually have to be able to play

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Speaker 7: all three, which I think you carry about eight offensive

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Speaker 7: line on game day, so sometimes you know, the backup

666
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Speaker 7: guard might play center and vice versa. So yeah, we're

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Speaker 7: switching that around and making sure everyone can play everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to this question. But

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Speaker 1: center or guard, which do you prefer?

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Speaker 7: Honestly either any way, I can help this team wherever

671
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Speaker 7: I can help this team at is where I want

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Speaker 7: to where I want to play, whether it's center or guard,

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Speaker 7: just want to go out there.

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Speaker 1: There's there's more responsibility at center, though, isn't it in

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Speaker 1: regard to making calls correct?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there is. You got to make sure everyone's on

677
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Speaker 7: the same page when you're playing center, and if you

678
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Speaker 7: see and you got to alert the whole line so

679
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Speaker 7: everyone knows. You got to be vocal, you got you

680
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Speaker 7: definitely have to be a leader out there when you

681
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Speaker 7: have the ball in your hand.

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Speaker 6: Does you do your responsibilities change at center? Whether it's

683
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Speaker 6: fourteen year veteran Colt McCoy or a rookie quarterback, meaning

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Speaker 6: is there more on your plate if all of a

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Speaker 6: sudden the rookie is in the game.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think the system is set up to where,

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Speaker 7: you know, we can all operate in the system like

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Speaker 7: pretty efficiently, you know. But yeah, everyone's got to be

689
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Speaker 7: on this on their stuff. The quarterbacks got to know

690
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Speaker 7: his stuff, center's got to know and they got to

691
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Speaker 7: communicate out off the field in meetings and and get

692
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Speaker 7: that all dialed in on the same page. So when

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Speaker 7: you do go out there on game day, you're all

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Speaker 7: speaking the same language. And that's just part of training camp,

695
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Speaker 7: learning that, learning the language, how to communicate back and forth.

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Speaker 7: But we spend a lot of time meeting and and

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Speaker 7: doing walkthroughs and practice to where by the time we're

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Speaker 7: playing games, it's it's like clockwork and how we communicate.

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Speaker 1: You know, speaking of game day right there, do you

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Speaker 1: have a game day tradition that you always do? Do

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Speaker 1: you have anything how you prepare to get ready for

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Speaker 1: a game? Do you have any habits on game day?

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Speaker 7: I'm not too superstitious on game day, just because a

704
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Speaker 7: lot of things can happen before the game and I

705
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Speaker 7: don't want that to like really mess with my routine.

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Speaker 7: But I do have a routine to get my body ready.

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Speaker 7: You know, I say, I hit the hit the cold plunge,

708
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Speaker 7: hit the hot tub, you know, stretch out my ankles

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Speaker 7: up to my hips and you know, kind of get

710
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Speaker 7: everything activated. And once everything feels ready, then maybe go

711
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Speaker 7: take a few past sets, a couple of run get offs,

712
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Speaker 7: and let's go play. But yeah, just making sure the

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Speaker 7: body is ready. Mine's ready.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, do you listen to any music before a game?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a tradition of listening?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I listen to music. I listen to all types

717
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Speaker 7: of stuff. Anything that just makes me feel good, doesn't

718
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Speaker 7: have to be one type of music. So yeah, anything

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Speaker 7: from country to wrap to.

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Speaker 1: Rock and roll, it all covered.

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Speaker 7: Got it all covered, listen into all of it.

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Speaker 6: So a wolf in his in his in his earlier days,

723
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Speaker 6: used to ride a Harley. Okay, now, Jim Alma Hunter

724
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Speaker 6: just did a quick Google search on Pickerington, Ohio. It's

725
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Speaker 6: known for having the Motorcycle Hall of Fame. Do you ride.

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Speaker 7: I don't ride. I've ridden one time in high school.

727
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Speaker 7: My brother had a bike. But yeah, they they've got

728
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Speaker 7: that that motorcycle museum there. I've been there one time

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Speaker 7: when I was a younger kid.

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Speaker 6: So, by the way, as we come full circle on

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Speaker 6: Ohio State, give us a quick word on Paris Johnson

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Speaker 6: Junior and what you see from the sixth pick overall?

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Speaker 6: What is his upside?

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Speaker 7: The guy's a monster. He's got great energy, loves the game.

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Speaker 7: He's strong, he's fast, He's what you want, and you

736
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Speaker 7: know it's in an offensive tackle. He's a young guy,

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Speaker 7: he's you know, he's he's learning every day, he's asking questions,

738
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Speaker 7: he's eager to get better. So he's definitely, uh, he's

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Speaker 7: he's a monster.

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Speaker 1: Has there been anyone else in that offensive line room

741
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Speaker 1: that has really caught your intention?

742
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Speaker 7: Man? There's just a bunch of really good dudes in

743
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Speaker 7: that room from top to bottom, starting with DJ is

744
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Speaker 7: just a great leader. Kelvin Beecham's the guy who's been around,

745
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 7: veteran guy, played a lot of football. Yeah, man, all

746
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Speaker 7: the way down to you know, Paris the rookie, and

747
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 7: John Gaines and everyone in between, really good people were

748
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Speaker 7: all out there trying to get better.

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Speaker 6: Well, you've got no bigger fan of the old line

750
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Speaker 6: than Ron wolf Leet. He secretly always wanted to be

751
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Speaker 6: an offensive lineman, forget full battle.

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Speaker 1: My older brother Craig played in the NFL for twelve

753
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Speaker 1: years and was the left guard.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so you are. Yeah, that's a guy in

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Speaker 7: the family. Man. That's awesome. That's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 6: A lot of football still to be played in the preseason,

757
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Speaker 6: a lot to be decided in the old line. So

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Speaker 6: best of luck, Pat precianks guys, thanks, Yes, there you go,

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Speaker 6: Pat l Flink Cardinals offensive lineman. We continue with a

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Speaker 6: big red rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.

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Speaker 4: In the gun, third down and eight from the Arizona ten.

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Speaker 4: Taysom Hill in the slot, right back of the thrown.

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Speaker 4: Dulton looking over the middle, throws back of.

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Speaker 6: The end zone and it's picked off.

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Speaker 3: And Tonio Hamilton in the back of the end zone

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Speaker 3: with the interception, he takes a knee and the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: get him takeaway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Tonio Hamilton, what a great break on the ball

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Speaker 5: underneath and and he Dalton read his eyes and was

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Speaker 5: there for the pack.

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Speaker 6: Antonio Hamilton will never forget that interception, his first career

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Speaker 6: NFL pick year seven. I won't forget it just being

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Speaker 6: down on the sideline because he immediately went to the

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Speaker 6: stands and he's looking and he's waving and he's motioning,

775
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Speaker 6: and finally his wife came down to the rail and

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Speaker 6: he gave her the ball because you remember what happened

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Speaker 6: at the end of training camp where he had the

778
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Speaker 6: tragic cooking accident and suffered near third degree burns on

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Speaker 6: his feet from hot grease that fell off of the stove,

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Speaker 6: and his wife was so instrumental and just getting him back,

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Speaker 6: not only physically, but how much he credited her. So

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Speaker 6: that was a very poignant moment last season for Antonio Hamilton.

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Speaker 6: As we wrap up this edition of The Big Red

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Speaker 6: Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those reasons why I root for Antonio Hamilton, Paul,

786
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Speaker 1: I really do. He's taken the long and right winding

787
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Speaker 1: road to the National Football League and Antonio Hamilton is

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Speaker 1: a guy that's been through an awful lot and yet

789
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Speaker 1: here he is. It's interesting the Arizona Cardinals released their

790
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: depth charts and Antonio Hamilton first team opposite opposite of Marco.

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Speaker 6: Wilson, despite basically getting no first team reps. Yeah, during

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Speaker 6: the public portion that we can view, we haven't really

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Speaker 6: seen him run with the one. So I have two theories.

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Speaker 6: Number one, he's a known and they've just been running

795
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Speaker 6: Christian Matthew and Key Troll Clark with the first team

796
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Speaker 6: to figure that out. Or number two, Key Troll Clark

797
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Speaker 6: and Christian Matthew are so closely contested they didn't want

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Speaker 6: to put one over the other, and so they elevated

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Speaker 6: Antonio Hamilton to the interesting. But the day that depth

800
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Speaker 6: chart came out, he had another pick six in practice

801
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Speaker 6: and eleven on eleven he picked off Jeff driscoll and

802
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Speaker 6: was just he gone and sure enough.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to say this quickly, Baly, you know,

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Speaker 1: first time head coach and his staff right now, that

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Speaker 1: first depth chart, I'm going to read into that. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna read into that a little bit. You're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to poke some people, I think, and maybe this is

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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do right here. LJ. Collier was

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Speaker 1: one of the guys. He's on the first team right

810
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Speaker 1: there at the three down linemen that you're gonna use.

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Speaker 4: L J.

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Speaker 1: Collier was one of those guys. And maybe they're trying

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Speaker 1: to poke or prod somebody else. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I read into a first year head coach in the depth.

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Speaker 6: Yard Rashard Lawrence, who's thirty. Yeah, maybe there's my J

816
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Speaker 6: Sanders third team. Maybe they're trying to send You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 6: and it's no coincidence. I don't think you've been there

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Speaker 6: and done that. But the day the depth chart came out,

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Speaker 6: it was the let's just say, it was a very chippy,

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Speaker 6: edgy practice. I think a lot of guys on the

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Speaker 6: back into that depth chart said I better come out here,

822
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Speaker 6: swing it. I better come out here and make a statement.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 6: And that cornerback room is closely, hotly contested. In fact,

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00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 6: the defensive coordinator Nick Rollis was asked, all right, where

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Speaker 6: does everything stand opposite of Marco Wilson.

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Speaker 11: That corner competition is really good right now right and

828
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Speaker 11: people are going to show when we play against Denver

829
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Speaker 11: and throughout training camp, you know who's going to emerge

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Speaker 11: and take certain roles right start and roll nickel, spot,

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Speaker 11: backup role, whatever those spots are. You know, get to

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Speaker 11: dime stuff like that. And I don't I want to

833
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Speaker 11: ever say like, ah, we know what this guy is.

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Speaker 11: Let's know, it's not that everybody can improve certain aspects

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Speaker 11: of their game and as coaches, that's our job is

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Speaker 11: to get everyone to hit their ceiling, whether they've been

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Speaker 11: in the league for a long time or they're a rookie.

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Speaker 6: This is where you win the job. I think you

839
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 6: can't win the job in practice. You can lose the

840
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Speaker 6: job in practice if you're a disaster, if you're getting

841
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Speaker 6: consistently beat. But I think you have to win the

842
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 6: job in a game setting, especially if you're a younger guy.

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Speaker 6: You better prove it during these preseason games.

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Speaker 1: See that was the magic word right there, younger guy,

845
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Speaker 1: or words I should say, Yes, younger guy, you've got

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Speaker 1: to prove it, Polly, that's what you've got to do

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Speaker 1: right now. And the only way you can really do

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Speaker 1: that is when the silks go on. Man, tomorrow night,

849
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Speaker 1: the silks go on, and of course the lights are on,

850
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Speaker 1: you step in between those white lines and it's go time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's where you want to see younger guys really stake

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Speaker 1: their claim on the depth chart, really stake their claim

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Speaker 1: as to what kind of player they're gonna be, because

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Speaker 1: practice is gonna be practice.

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Speaker 7: It just is.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna go one hundred percent. But now when

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Speaker 1: you go live and there's live tackling and there's live

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Speaker 1: blocking and you're trying to beat another man keep him

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Speaker 1: from doing his job. Ah, Matt, it changes everything. And

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Speaker 1: that's what these guys are gonna be watching tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: Kelvic Consulting has come up with two slogans for this season.

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Speaker 6: Number one on twenty twenty three dip for a twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty four rip. Okay, that's one of them, and then

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Speaker 6: there's how you get there. I like that, which is

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Speaker 6: the second one. No allegiances. Bill Belichick has no days off.

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Speaker 6: I think it's no allegiances in one position group we

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Speaker 6: haven't talked a lot about, and really it's my fault.

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Speaker 6: But if you look at inside linebacker kay Zer White,

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Speaker 6: he's the man, he's your MIC. He knows the defense. Okay,

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Speaker 6: But then after that you got Chris Barnes and Josh Woods.

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Speaker 6: Josh Woods is on this team, I think for special

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Speaker 6: teams alone, Lions captain in that category a year ago.

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Speaker 6: But after that, a Zeke Turner versus a draft pick

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Speaker 6: like Owen Papo Yes or even the undrafted ASU kid

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Speaker 6: Kyle Soley, who I know has really impressed so far.

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Speaker 6: Three time ASU team captain. He's fared. Well, you know,

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Speaker 6: there are certain position groups where we might get some surprises.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting, Bally, because I see all six

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Speaker 1: of those guys somehow, some white being on this team.

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Speaker 6: Wow, special teams.

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Speaker 1: Special teams are because of the special teams I do

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Speaker 1: and the practice squad. The practice squad, Paul, I think

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Speaker 1: that's also something that we've got to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: as well right here. But I am really interested to

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Speaker 1: see how often there is another inside linebacker inside that box.

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Speaker 1: I really am, because you know, so much of the time,

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Speaker 1: as we all know Jonathan Gannon when he was a

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with the Philadelphia Eagles, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: time they would go solid in the middle. They'd cover

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Speaker 1: the center and the two guards, that's what they would do.

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Speaker 1: They'd cover them with defensive linemen, and then they'd have

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Speaker 1: two edges on the outside. And it's going to be

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Speaker 1: Zavan of course in Gardeck the Barbarian. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be those two guys, and then Kaiser White right in

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Speaker 1: the middle. It's a six man box, that's what it

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Speaker 1: is against eleven personnel. But when are they going to

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Speaker 1: put another linebacker inside that box? Is it going to

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Speaker 1: be against twelve personnel. As soon as they see two

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Speaker 1: tight ends come onto the field, is that what they'll do?

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that as well.

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Speaker 6: So six man box, five DB's and Nickel with the

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Speaker 6: three safeties and then either a booter or a Jalen

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Speaker 6: Thompson or even Isaiah Simmons could drop down into the box.

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Speaker 1: Yes, correct, exactly right.

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Speaker 7: Interesting.

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Speaker 6: So now on offense, you spent ten years in a

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Speaker 6: running back room, what do you make of the competition

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Speaker 6: behind James Connor? Marlon mack By the way out for

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Speaker 6: the season with a torn achilles That really stinks. He

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Speaker 6: was only on the field less than a week. He

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Speaker 6: really looked good too, but he's done for the season.

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Speaker 6: Just what are you making? How wide open is that competition?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it's wide open behind James Connor. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Keyante Ingram has not solidified that backup role yet. I

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Speaker 1: love Kiante. I think there's a little something there.

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I'm hoping that he's going to get healthy

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Speaker 1: and he's going to be given the opportunity to nail

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Speaker 1: that down because I really do like what I saw

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Speaker 1: from Corey Clement. Very interesting to see how they're using

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Speaker 1: them not just as a running back, but as a

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Speaker 1: full back. Corey clement When they go twenty two personnel

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Speaker 1: or twenty one personnel, which they have done two backs

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Speaker 1: in the backfield, guess who's playing the full back position.

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Speaker 1: It's Corey clement Now, look, Paul, as we all know

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Speaker 1: right now, metaphorically speaking, he's a dumpster with ears.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: He's twenty.

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Speaker 5: He's five taen too, twenty Paul, do you have any

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Speaker 5: idea how thick a dude is when he's five ten

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Speaker 5: two twenty and how easy he can get under Somebody

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Speaker 5: just hammer him right in the chin.

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, very interesting to see Corey Clemento, and that

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Speaker 1: if he ever got to five ten two thirty he

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Speaker 1: could play the position.

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Speaker 6: Hey, don't sleep on my poly pigskin breakout player at

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Speaker 6: camp by the way, a Mari de Murcato, the TCU

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Speaker 6: rookie undrafted kid. We don't know. We're high at him

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Speaker 6: now all of a sudden, you were low on him. Well,

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Speaker 6: are you high on him again? We'll bet, little bet.

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Speaker 6: We'll see it's been a fluctuating power pole with him.

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Speaker 6: We'll see if he breaks some tackles tomorrow night against

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Speaker 6: the Broncos. Okay special thanks as always, Jim A. Mahro,

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Speaker 6: Oh my, how about those myths on that guy?

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