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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson, home

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Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 1: Matt we're starting to uh to get an idea of

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Speaker 1: what the Steelers coaching staff is going to look like.

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Speaker 1: Last week, the Steelers hiring Frisman Jackson too uh to

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Speaker 1: be their wide receivers coach. We talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: about that after it happened on Tuesday, the team hiring

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Speaker 1: Pat Meyer as their new offensive line coach. Um. This

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Speaker 1: move was immediately panned because, well, Pat Myers not Mike

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Speaker 1: mun Jack. I was about to say, or guy, is

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Speaker 1: it Mike mun Jack. He's not Mike Munchack's Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of stuff out there people, well,

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Speaker 1: his offensive lines, because he's he had been. He was

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Speaker 1: the offensive line coach the last two seasons for the

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers the three seasons before that, he was the

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Speaker 1: offensive line coach for the Chargers. Uh, And people immediately

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Speaker 1: through out there the Pro Football Focus offensive line Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: and that shows, yes, that shows that he was somehow

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Speaker 1: a bad position coach. So I did a little digging.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he did. I did. I want to know

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Speaker 1: more about this guy. I'll be completely pulled back the curtains.

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Speaker 1: Never heard of the guy before this. I didn't two

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Speaker 1: days ago if you asked me who that was, Like,

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Speaker 1: did I go to high school with them? Is somebody

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Speaker 1: knew in college? I don't know that person? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So in one the Panthers were twentieth rushing the football

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Speaker 1: and they one. Okay, that doesn't sound that good with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Uh they ran the ball in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: In fifteen or eighteen, they were fifteen and seventeen. His

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Speaker 1: first season, they were twenty one. Again, looks bad if

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Speaker 1: it does it not? Then you realize that in his

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Speaker 1: two seasons with the Carolina Panthers, Christian McCaffrey missed twenty

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Speaker 1: two of the team's thirty three football games. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a big deal. You think that might have had

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Speaker 1: something to do with this, with the team's ability to

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Speaker 1: run the football um and then digging even a little

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Speaker 1: bit more. Uh So, if you look back to that

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Speaker 1: season with the Chargers, here was the Chargers starting offensive

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Speaker 1: line Russell Okung at left tackle. A nice you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a serviceable player for his career. Yeah, the starting

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Speaker 1: guards were rookie Dan Feeney and Kenny Wiggins. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: the center was Spencer Pooley and the right tackle was

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Speaker 1: Joe Barksdale. Yeah, okay, um my turn. I was assuming

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Speaker 1: you'd cited the McCaffrey thing. I didn't think that was

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Speaker 1: gonna slip by you. But us mentioned the dudes he

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Speaker 1: coached with the Chargers and then San Diego. I presume

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Speaker 1: the guys that Carolina aren't much better, to be very you,

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Speaker 1: it was about this time last year where the Panthers

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Speaker 1: went out of their way to go get Cameron Irving

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Speaker 1: and Matt Paradise and there was somebody else that they

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Speaker 1: spent money on that all of us rolled their eyes,

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Speaker 1: like that's what you're gonna do in the first wave

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Speaker 1: of free agency. I mean, these guys have been problems

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Speaker 1: everywhere they've gone, But meanwhile they've developed a couple of

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Speaker 1: decent tackles in Carolina too, you know Williams And yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly so. Um, I also think and this is certainly

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Speaker 1: more true in Carolina than with the Chargers. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: the Steeler saw this this year when your quarterback is

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater or Sam darn Old, who's just swimming the

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Speaker 1: whole time. You're not going to run the ball very

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Speaker 1: well with backup running backs and a bad talent that

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Speaker 1: offensive line. So I don't know if he's a good

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Speaker 1: position to coach or not. I'm just telling you what

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Speaker 1: I do know about his circumstances. Yeah, in with the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: they went out and got Mike Pouncey as there as

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Speaker 1: their big free agent signing as to place center. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had the other guys were all basically new guys

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Speaker 1: plug in Mike Pouncey and they ended up finishing fifteenth

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Speaker 1: in the league and rushing that year. That's with Philip

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Speaker 1: Rivers at quarterback, by the way, who adds nothing to

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Speaker 1: the equation, right, right, right, right, I mean that's that's

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Speaker 1: a sudden got old on them. Well, O Kong didn't

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Speaker 1: in terms of offensive line play again, and Anthony Lynn's

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Speaker 1: entire staff got fired exactly. And you know, even just

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Speaker 1: as a Charger overview, you know, they realized, boy, we've

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Speaker 1: been trotting out bad offensive lineman now for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go make Corey Linsley the highest paid center

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Speaker 1: in the league. Where We're gonna go get Matt Feiler.

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Speaker 1: We're going to draft Shawn Slater in the first round,

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Speaker 1: like I bet you know he's sitting there in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Go and you could have done that for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: and even the Panthers, they could have taken Slater too

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Speaker 1: for them, and they took Horn. You know, you gets horn,

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Speaker 1: but give the guy something to work with. That's the

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Speaker 1: whole point. You know, people look at these coaches in

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Speaker 1: a vacuum and they don't look at what they're working with.

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Speaker 1: I think we're talking about assistant coaches because right, you

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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I mean, you can't charge a receiver

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Speaker 1: coach on how many balls the receiver's got that year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not it's not just apples to apples.

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Speaker 1: That's that's simple. No, who's the quarterback matters? Who's the

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Speaker 1: running back? That matters? Who missed the season as it

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Speaker 1: was the case in for for Meyer and with the

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Speaker 1: charge you, I mean, you take your two best players

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Speaker 1: right right, they were legit guys, your starter, you're starting

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Speaker 1: the equation. It's not gonna look better. It's not care

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Speaker 1: who you are. I don't care if you the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Bring again, give Mike Munchak that I guarantee you they're

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Speaker 1: not finishing any higher than what that team did. I again,

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Speaker 1: remember it, I don't know if this guy is a

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Speaker 1: not going to simply look at at these rankings or

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Speaker 1: or you know, Pro Football Focus says his his lines

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Speaker 1: handle your offensive line room? You know, are you teaching

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Speaker 1: I didn't think they'd run a bear front, they're throwing

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Speaker 1: what running plays are we going to switch to? Now?

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Speaker 1: You know those type of things? You know, protection, Um,

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Speaker 1: they do and I trust them to hire the right people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: first Quall. He's the only guy that applied, So that's all.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to the things that like. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes I think that Mike tom On

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Speaker 1: at this point in his career can't win no matter

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Speaker 1: who he hires, because when he hires Terrell Austin as

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Speaker 1: They just promote internally. When he goes outside the organization

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Speaker 1: Tarall Austin coached on three Super Bowl teams in one one.

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Speaker 1: You just said he wasn't a good hire because he

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Speaker 1: These guys are so setting their ways. They're just going

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Speaker 1: theory and I don't know what Munch is gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna retire, Is he gonna be a coach

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Speaker 1: next year? Who knows. I'm sure they had conversations, though

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Speaker 1: I've been told he's not going to be a coach

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Speaker 1: doesn't need the money. He's been a head coach in

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Speaker 1: of Fame career. He's got money. Uh, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: all about you know, quality of life and you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think people understand. Again, I see a lot

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Speaker 1: be a good coach? Guys who guys who retired now,

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Speaker 1: They don't need to coach, right if they've handled their money, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they've handed their money correctly, they don't need to coach. No, no,

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Speaker 1: if he was never high and he was making three

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Speaker 1: There's because coaches extreme want to, you know, like guys

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Speaker 1: like Sean Payton are like, I need a break, man,

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Speaker 1: this is hard. Yeah, you hear the highest level. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean McVeigh said it that for the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: that that you know, maybe you know, I might want

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Speaker 1: to take a step away. Now. This is tacting job.

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Speaker 1: You put it more hours as a coach than than

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Speaker 1: the players do. Oh, you don't see your family at all.

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Speaker 1: It's hard on your health. I mean all the above

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Speaker 1: him and I'm sure some are impervious to it, but

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Speaker 1: many get kind of tired of people like us criticizing

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Speaker 1: every fourth down call that they were makeing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're never right. Then, you know, why why would you

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Speaker 1: hire this offensive line coach? I haven't heard of Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because that said, you know, I know, I understand that

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Speaker 1: hired two coaches from the outside who were who were

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Speaker 1: the past two seasons, Yeah, you've had a Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: if you that he might be holding a trophy right now,

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Speaker 1: if you had five average, average and offensive line starters,

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Speaker 1: have Trent Williams, or I'd love to have Quentin Nelson,

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers first round pick might this year might

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Speaker 1: turn into a player like that. Who knows. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a possibility, but I don't think I would take

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Speaker 1: more of the Bills approach a couple of years back,

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Speaker 1: just said all mid level guys. Ye, Mitch Morse was

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Speaker 1: like the guy they spent the most on, and he's okay,

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Speaker 1: he's a starting center, but he's a special. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have eight starting offensive linemen, none of them are

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Speaker 1: gonna be stars, and we're all gonna come to camp

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna compete, and we're gonna figure out who

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Speaker 1: can trade one of them, you know as well, right,

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Speaker 1: there's always a there's always a need. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I think that you know, we'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: with with with Pat Meyer, and you know whether that's

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Speaker 1: a good Again, I I don't know enough about the

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Speaker 1: whether that's a good or a bad. Higher. Nobody does.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who says that they do is lying. Nobody does, right.

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Speaker 1: I often talk about the two things in my job

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Speaker 1: that I feel most uncomfortable speaking about is often coaching

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Speaker 1: hires that are first time head coaches and injuries, Like

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know anything about Ancho injuries. I

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Speaker 1: think go to head school, you know, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: almost the same level. Like how am I going to

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Speaker 1: be like as a head guy, or you know, a

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Speaker 1: quarterback coach gets bumped to a coordinator or what was

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Speaker 1: Frisbane Jackson as a receiver's coach. You really have to

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Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, you got to see them work, You

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Speaker 1: got to see them interact with the players. I think

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Speaker 1: the interaction with the players is the biggest thing. Are

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Speaker 1: these guys? Are these guys engaging with the players or

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Speaker 1: are they just kind of going through the motions and

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Speaker 1: other players tuning them out. Yeah, so that's what that's

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Speaker 1: what I want to see. Yeah, but we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lawley.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, Matt, you sent me an interesting

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Speaker 1: article I wanted to take a look at here. We'll

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Speaker 1: do that right after this