WEBVTT - 107: Instagram Face/Off 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.160 It's eleven forty PM in an airplane hangar in Los Angeles, 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:16.800 and you're listening tonight. Call hello and welcome back tonight 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.720 call a call in show for our dystopian reality. I'm 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:25.080 Molly Lambert and with me are Test Lynch and Emily 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.920 or Shita. Here we are, and today we are super 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.440 excited to welcome our very special guest, Gia Tolentino, staff 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.800 writer for The New Yorker and author of the essay 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.240 collection Trick Mirror Reflections on Self Delusion. Welcome Gia tonight. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.120 Call hi, guys. It's nice to, you know, talk to 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:48.680 someone after a long day a loan. It's nice to 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.879 everybody figure out complicated audio setups so we can all 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.560 connect to each other as humans at home. This is 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.280 how God intended it to bes Master. Now I figured 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.240 out all the well we were all last night connecting 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.960 with our friend Fiona Apple, whose new album Fetch the 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.959 Bolt Cutters. I fetched the bolt Cutters, Um, Emily, Giah 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.880 and I all Fetch the bolt Cutters. Oh yeah, we 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.000 just wanted to give our our un baked takes on 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.880 the album. I had been like I just filed a 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.480 thing that I was like kind of Deep Reporting all 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.120 day and I had like had my head in it. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.760 But of course I've been listening to Fiona the whole time. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.800 And then I went for like a walk the length 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.600 of the album and listened to the whole thing through, 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.240 and I mean, I'm still very overwhelmed by it. But 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.319 one thing, I just felt so grateful for an album 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:44.480 that like it requires and demands your complete attention, you know, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.640 and like the more attention you give it, the more 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.240 it gives you. It's it's just like I wish that 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.200 I wish that there were like I wish that I 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.840 could be riding the subway and listening to it like 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.720 it was gonna be driving and listen to it. It's 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.360 like I just hadn't heard an album like that in 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.840 a real a long time. Yeah, I basically I was 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.880 thinking about maybe taking a drive out to the beach, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.520 not getting out, but just driving and coming back because 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.880 that's allowed. This is uh, this is like an honor 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.960 that I really only give to like Lana del Ray 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.240 albums at this point, as far as like having a 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.000 dedicated listen, so I was thinking it might warrant that. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.040 But yeah, and it's also just like she it's it's 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.519 really refreshing to hear a new album that really doesn't 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.959 sound I mean, it doesn't really sound like it's in 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.280 conversation with anything else right now musically or genre wise. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.160 It's like its own thing, and it's just like, oh yeah, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.480 I'm listening to like a completely fully formed artist who 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.440 just knows what the funk she's doing. It's great. Um, 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.760 I feel like she's an old friend at this point. Yeah. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:46.760 One of my group texts was saying, like, we're so 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.000 lucky that we had her when we were like thirteen, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.120 and also when we were five, and also now you know, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.400 like I feel. I went down a total spiral about 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.640 the Spin Girl issue which came out in UM, which 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.320 had Fiona on the cover, which I bought at the 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.160 small the West Side Pavilion. That was just a knockdown 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.320 r I Pu Side pavilion FASTI mall to be turned 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.760 into a Google campus. One thing I've been thinking about 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.399 with Fiona recently is that for whatever reason, the way 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.760 that she's released albums because she doesn't very frequently. This 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.880 has been like eight years since I had Their Wheel 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.000 and seven years. It was seven years between Extraordinary Machine 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.160 and i'd Their Wheel and for whatever, like whenever her 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.760 new album comes out. I am. I guess I'm the 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.120 age that she was when I guess it's just our 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.200 age difference. I don't know how math works. I'm revealing 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.280 this right now, but but I am the age that 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.240 she was whenever she released the last album. So then 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.760 I'm like going and doing my whole Fiona re listen 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.120 and like getting excited and everything. And then I'm like, oh, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.200 now I get it in a whole new life, like 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.440 passing all these sort of like emotional maturity milestones or something. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.240 Uh yeah, So it was it was weird just to 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.800 like remember the girl issue because it just had a 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.160 big impact on me. I think it was also the 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.960 first time I was like, why would you need a 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.200 girl issue? Why can't it just be an issue? So 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.760 I am saving my listening party. I had a really 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.080 I had a crazy night last night. Um that was 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.680 not super like it was. It was crazy just in 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.640 terms of like very pandemic e I guess, like my 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.560 husband was doing something, recording something, there were technical issues, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.599 my kids were having all of these like meltdowns, and 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:37.160 then I was like nervous that the emotional impact of 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.920 listening to this album would be not what I required, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:44.880 so instead of a fance. Yeah, but so tell me how, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.600 like where were you when you started listening to it 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.520 and where were you after? Just so I can prepare 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.240 at home and at home right like emotionally, you know, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.160 what did it do to you? I'm nervous. It's like 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.400 interesting because it is like we've all been making fun 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.760 of the celebrities for putting out entertainment and being like ha, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.000 like captive audience, like people are just going to have 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.640 time to consume things. But then when something that's actually 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.360 thoughtful comes out and you're like, wow, I have nothing 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.479 but time to do like a headphone listen in the 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.359 middle of the night right now, and this is like 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.680 the perfect thing for that. Is it gonna make me 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.720 super depressed? Though? I don't think so. I don't think 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.560 it's I don't think it's depressing. It is like I 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.400 would say, like alarming is the word that I already used, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.480 but like in a good way. Here's what it is. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.000 It's like for jazz moms, which we all are you 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:47.400 like speak it's like an experimental jazz album. You know, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.760 it sounds and it sounds like like hot Knife was 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.640 my favorite song on the last album. So much of 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.160 it is like that. It's like depressive and really like 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.880 everything circling. I was walking in the woods and I 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.279 just felt like very enveloped and clarified, kind of like 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.440 I was like kind of it was that like sober, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.120 trippy feeling where everything, like the edges of everything got 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.960 really bright and I felt very physically present in a 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.440 way that I hadn't for a month. You know. It's yeah, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.400 I recommend, Yeah, you were right to save it. Okay, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.880 So now I'm really excited. I mean, I knew I 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.720 was gonna do it. It's I think it's just one 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.960 of those things where like often it comes up just 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.480 the difference in having kids versus not right now, and 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.120 how it made like just how you kind of consume 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.479 media when you have like two hours and that's all 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.760 you have in the day. So I just didn't want 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.200 it to be the thing that pushed me over. But 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.040 now I'm like, no, it's exactly what I need. Yeah, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.039 it's great. I can't wait to listen to it again. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.480 I need another Like, actually, you know what, this is 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.480 why I'm so grateful for it. It's like it's the 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.800 kind of album that made you know right now it's 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.839 kind of and I'm sure it's different when you have kids, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.520 but it's like, I haven't felt great full to be 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.560 alone in a while, and to be alone with the 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.120 album made me feel really glad to be alone and 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.560 and to like have that space in my head. And 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.880 I mean, that's like the least of the reasons the 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:16.280 album is great, But that was a feeling I had. Yeah, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:19.679 I saw somebody saying on Twitter that, like, I feel 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.560 like we're going to associate this album of course with 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.400 the Quarantine, and but like in a good way, like 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.400 this was like a bright spot in it or like 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.560 something some kind of balm I guess in the middle 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.680 of all of it, which it feels like that's that's 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.000 what it is. It's also nice to know that, you know, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.160 like every woman from the age of you know whatever 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.640 to whatever is listening to the same album today, you 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:46.720 know what I mean totally. I think I just like, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.800 because she was always just a little bit older than us, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.000 I had forgotten how young she was. So I was like, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.040 looking at the Spin cover, I was like, oh, it 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.480 is like Billie Eilish, like exactly, it's like a sad 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.160 teenage girl making music, but like the way that gets 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.600 marketed is very weird. But it also made me be like, oh, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.920 billy II, like she's gonna be fine. Then, well, Fiona 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.960 has one thing going for her and that she is 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:17.080 a genius, so that's helpful. Yeah, but she's also like 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:23.000 it seems like she is like very you know, eccentric 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.840 and oh yeah, and like you know, uncommercial in a 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.440 lot of ways. But again, that's like the fun thing 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.640 about listening to something by somebody who's just really doing 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.600 their own thing right now. Like she's like both physically 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.360 kind of put herself in her own little universe and 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.920 then the sound is kind of there too, so it 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.720 just feels very refreshing. Yeah, I really liked them dust 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.880 Bound profile. Oh that was great. Yea. I think that 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.480 also got everybody hyped for the album. And friend of 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:58.040 the podcast, Rachel Handler has basically been like the Fiona 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.800 Whisper for like the past year. Yeah, she's just been 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.120 like constantly like face timing with her and stuff, which 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.720 I'm very jealous of, but she's been doing it awesome, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:17.120 Like all the stuff that she's written, I would love it. Um. Well, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.120 we also wanted to talk a little bit about some 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:26.640 other coronavirus activities weird nightmares. The biggest coronavirus activity is sleeping. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.320 I had a really scary nightmare. I I usually don't 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.440 have nightmares. Um. We talked about this a lot on 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.080 the podcast. I think, uh, some of us don't have 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.680 nightmares from smoking a lot of weed, and uh, I 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.679 may or may not be one of those people. But UM, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.160 I had a really intense nightmare the other night and 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.720 then realize realized that I had seen a lot of 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.560 people mentioning that they also were having horrible nightmares. Not 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:58.200 super surprising, but G you mentioned you've been having crazy 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.520 dreams too, write Yeah, Well for me, um, I think 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.160 like something I feel like my brain. You know, if 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.959 we supposedly we dream every night, right, and we just 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.040 don't remember it, and we go through like seasons where 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.920 we don't remember it. I think that like The Times 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.720 did a piece on this, kind of trying to explain 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.800 like why we're all like why am I having these 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.840 crazy dreams? And to me, my own explanation is like 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.480 my brain is like where are all the people? And 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.080 so it puts all the people in my head at 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.080 night because it's not used to like my brains, like 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.920 you need to have more people in your line of 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.280 sight or something. And for me, it's been weird because 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:36.080 I'm pregnant right now, and it was weird things and I, UM, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.239 and I've been like for the first two weeks, I 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.360 was having really intense dreams every night, so much so 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.520 that I would wake up and sometimes even write them down, 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.079 which I almost never do. Um. But they had nothing 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.920 to do with coronavirus or pregnancy. And then very were 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.280 worried that your husband had sold has sold at the 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.199 devil for I wish you would honestly please Also, I'm 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:07.559 never marrying that man place. But um, but then both 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.160 things started to come into my dreams, you know, like 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.040 both both things are now in them, and all of 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.440 my friends are in them, you know which is I 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.360 think why? I think my brain is like, where are 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.760 these people? Like? You need? They like they need to 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.240 be in your sight? And I had a dream last 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.319 night that I couldn't like, I woke up and I 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.920 couldn't remember it. But I've been having You do you 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.400 ever wake up after a dream and you have such 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.840 an intense aftershock of feeling and you spend all day 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.280 and you're like I feel like someone is really angry 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.560 at me, or that I'm really angry at something, or 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.040 that I just figured out something incredibly important, or that 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.360 I'm terrified and I don't know why and you've forgotten 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.200 what actually happened. But you know, like in your dream 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.439 the time lasted like three weeks, and you're right, you know, 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.400 I've been having lots of those have Yeah, those are 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.400 the like clingy emotional film where you're like, I don't 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.040 remember what it was, but I'm like coated in the Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.640 we'll say like, because I've been sleeping so much, I've 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.600 just been oversleeping in the morning period when I'm just 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.760 like sleeping ambiently to avoid waking up, that's when I 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.480 half weird anxiety dreams for half sleep trying to get 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.120 out of bed type stuff. Yeah, that's the worst. I 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.679 hate that. I mean, I will say, like, I'm very 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.840 I've had a lot of other shitty things happened to 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:28.240 me during this quarantine, but my dreams have been great. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.760 Just like parties. I feel like I've mostly been at parties. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.640 That's right, that's so sick, But yeah, I did. I 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.800 had to. I had to be let off the hook. Somewhere. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.320 My college ex boyfriend, like so many college ex boyfriends, 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:48.319 was really obsessed with like lucid dreaming, you know, cognitive 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.600 whatever there, and and he would try to you know, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.280 he'd right left and right on his hands and he 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.839 would stare at them before he like did all the 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.280 techniques or whatever. And I was like, that's I was like, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.520 you're being ridiculous. This is so so dorky. But now 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.960 I'm like, I would fucking love to be able to 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.080 lose a dreams I could, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.640 talking with somebody about this, like because we were talking 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.440 about how we both like tried to lose a dream 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.040 at different points in our life. But it's so like, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.120 the last thing I want to do when I wake 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.600 up in the morning is like write a journal or 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.520 like write a report of my dream that sounds like 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.439 work immediately in the morning. It's like a performance review too. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.440 You're like, how did I do? So? Like I've always 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.360 sort of not been able to get into it because 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.520 of that. But then I was thinking, like I probably 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.520 still like I don't think I would be able to 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.920 because I even just tried to keep a journal during this, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.000 which is like something I'm pretty bad at in general, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.680 and I can't do it, so I don't know. It 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.520 might not be my time keeping a podcast, like I 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.280 also keep a journal of your dreams because they're good, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:53.720 like whatever you're doing is. A scientist in this National 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.280 Geographic article about why people are having weird dreams said, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.120 some dream experts believe that withdrawal from our usual environments 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.559 and daily stimuli has left dreamers with a dearth of inspiration, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.320 forcing our subconscious minds to draw more heavily on themes 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.719 from our past. Yeah, there was this guy that they 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:16.120 like profiled in this National Geographic article and his he 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.920 had had a dream that they described early where he 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.720 drew on an obsession with comics and like the and 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.480 the constant scroll of political posts on Twitter. So he 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.720 was kind of just using what it was like, the 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.120 the endless kind of flood of news information had like 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.000 lodged itself into his subconscious so that was appearing in 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.840 his dream, and like you know, lot points, which is 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.080 my that is a that is a nightmare. Dreaming about 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.920 treating does sound like a nightmare. Yeah, I don't. I 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.920 have y'all ever dreamed about Twitter? I have never. I 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:55.720 don't think I everything. God, how boring. I think I've 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.440 had nightmares where I made him like it was probably 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.440 right after that the woman who was on the plane 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.920 and then her life was ruined. I had an anxiety 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.080 nightmare that that happened. I definitely had a did a 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.400 mistake on Twitter? Did a mistake on Twitter? It's like 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.960 my number one panic. Yeah, because it always seems so passive. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.560 It's like it still is. It's always possible one of 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.800 these days your number is up. And yes, you're turned 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.160 to funk up on Twitter. Well, TuS, you were also 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.160 posting about Sam Junipero the Black Mirror episode. Yeah, so, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.280 I because again I'm I feel so fragile. But that's 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.960 also because I'm unlike a lot of people. And this 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.760 is for better or worse. I am literally never alone 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.680 during self isolation, and it's like normally I carve out 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.760 at least like an hour or something during the day 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.920 where I can kind of just like think thoughts quietly, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.840 but that doesn't exist anymore. Um So, I feel I 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.000 felt like the only thing that was like safe to 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.320 watch was just mindless garbage or something that I'd already 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.720 seen and knew how it would make me feel, And 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.920 so we turned on San Junipero and I was like, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.440 whoa it we are kind of in San Junipero because 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.520 it's I mean, that's just the fantasy of like leaving 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.800 the physical world, because you're going to leave anyway. It's 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.280 we didn't want to leave the physical world, but here 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.800 we are kind of in a like fantasy space. Although 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:30.440 it mostly sucks, I know, I totally I interpreted it 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.480 in a slightly different way, which was like, oh, because 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.800 like no one can have like really new experiences, you 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.200 just can sort of sit on dwell on the past, 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.600 every good experience from your past, and so but yeah, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.480 definitely been thinking like and also because there's no fomo 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.080 because it's like no one can do anything exactly. Yeah, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.360 beving like party like my friends are like literally it 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.120 was like that, you know, post a picture of yourself 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.560 when you were twenty. We were talking about how we 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.440 all fall to this gap where like there are no 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.040 pictures of us online when we were twenty, although maybe 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.280 on like friends are oh yeah. But then my friend 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.680 Max Sylvestry like posted a picture of us together from 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.560 a Halloween party in college, like a picture I've never seen, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.240 but I was like, wow, that was the best party 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.840 in all of college right when heyya came out. It's 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.760 like sence the beginning of our the big chill. Yeah. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.920 I mean there's also the feeling of like trying to 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.440 evolve friendships or just kind of trying to keep up 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.720 relationships in a completely virtual way. And in a way 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.800 like that too. When I was watching san Ju and Appero, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.440 it was like, Oh, it's this weird like virtual connection 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.040 and you kind of just want like new to invite 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.879 new people into it also, but it's just too weird 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.520 and it just doesn't feel right. It's like this weird 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.000 test on relationships that the you know, keeping things up virtually. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.479 But it's like, I don't think it's a test that 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.359 means in anything. I think that people are putting too 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.840 much stakes on, Like, oh, if I don't keep up 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.200 with somebody during this pandemic, that means that we weren't 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.399 really friends. It's just like, no, we have like friends 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.480 that we interface with in all sorts of different ways, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.640 and I have lots of friends that I'm not exactly 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.360 like let's hop on zoom right now. But I think 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.800 that people are really like, oh, like, so many friendships 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.439 are going to be over after this, it's like, no, 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.800 that's that's not what friendship is. It's also like it's 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.720 also like I I mean, I spent a whole year 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.520 completely off the internet when I was in the Peace Corps, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.720 like not talking to anyone, barely had a cell phone, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.240 you know, middle of nowhere, halfway across the world, and 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.640 my friendships, like it felt interminable obviously, like it's only 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.080 been a month for us here, Like Peace Corps was 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.080 like this basically but with no internet and um, and 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:48.760 it felt like forever. And I felt like I had 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.160 missed out on so much. But then but friendship wise, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.640 it didn't matter. I just removed myself. And I mean, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.080 it's different when we're all in the same situation. But 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.880 it's like I've been reading wolf Hall and I keep 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.400 thinking like it's just a month, Like like our our 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.959 whole lives are so short anyway, this is just a 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.920 month of them like it it's our brains are making 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.760 it feels endless and it will be kind of endless. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.320 But yeah, when you think about how short it actually is, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:14.879 it's like, yeah, you don't need to keep up with 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.560 people really. Yeah. I've been reading also about like the 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.040 Cambrian era and stuff like that at the timeline of 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.680 human experience. I do that all the time. It's like, yeah, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.600 speaking of the timeline of human experience. We wanted to 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.800 talk to Gia a little bit about a subject. She 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.440 is the expert on Instagram face. It is plastic surgery 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.160 April here on night call. Never let anybody forget it's 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:46.280 plastic surgery April. This is very Wait, have y'all talked 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:47.560 about what what do you what do you think it's 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.560 going to happen to everyone's face? Like, do you think 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.840 that all of them are getting That's how we kicked 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.639 it off. We talked about some people clearly still have 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.000 people on call, like Madonna and the Kardashians. I think 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.879 it's like a personal chef, like they're just yeah. But 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:05.320 a lot of the B level influencers, Yeah, if you 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.360 didn't already have your person on call before this all started, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.080 like you didn't have a lot of time to get that. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:17.480 Influences are unemployed to guys, they're um, can you tell 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.760 our listeners a little bit about Instagram face and what 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.000 got you into it? Yeah? So Instagram face just seemed 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.080 to me to be one of those things that, you know, 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.359 any woman between the ages of I don't know, twenty 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:32.760 and thirty five, who was on Instagram was aware of 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.440 and talking about but just hadn't been like written about 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.320 in a really head on way, or I guess it had. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.879 But I was like, Okay, so there's this thing where 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:46.240 every influencer you know looks like a combination of every 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.400 professionally beautiful woman looks like a combination of Emily Radikowski, 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.080 Kylie Jenner, Bella Hadid, and Kendall Jenner, who looks the 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.320 same as Emily Radikowski. And I was like, they're like, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.280 you know, like the my Marxist instincts were like, okay, 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.840 what is the material reason for this? Like who what? 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.000 What are the material conditions for this production of Instagram face? 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.000 You know, and um, and so some of my friends, 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.160 who are better Instagram observers than me, we're like, okay, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.680 it's you know, it's this doctor, this doctor, and this doctor. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.080 I started following them on Instagram, and you know, watching 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.240 their sort of before and after time lapse videos where 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.320 you would see people get their Instagram face in real time. 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.960 You know, everyone's face just started to look like what 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.119 one of my friends called a sexy baby Tiger, and 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.240 it was just like, you know, I had already been 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.520 thinking like there's something about being alive today that I've 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:40.359 always been like, I'm a little suspicious of how it 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.040 sort of seems like social media systems are shaping identity 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.600